The Josh Innes Show - JIS: Sean Salisbury Joins

Episode Date: December 24, 2021

Josh Innes and Sean Salisbury talk about life. No sports convo needed for this chat. Sean talks about going from the top to the bottom and getting back up again. Be prepared to run through a wall after listening. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This is the Josh Ennis Show. Howdy and welcome in to the Josh Ennis Show. It's Josh. Jilly is not here at the moment. It is just I. I'm glad you're with me here today. All my stuff has been messing up. It's a whole mess, I tell you.

So, I'm doing the best I can today. Sean Salisbury is going to join us here momentarily. He's one of our great friends, and he will join us. Let's see here. Before we do anything, I have to tell you about our friend, Dr. Busby, from ToeGrips.com. That is ToeGrips.com with our friend Dr. Busby from ToeGrips.com. That is ToeGrips.com with our friend Dr. Busby. She is wonderful, and we love her. You know this.

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Great friend of the show. Free consultation. Okay, there's a free consultation for you if you use the promo code. Well, there is no promo code. You just call and say, hey, we listen to the Josh Ennis Show. There you go. Uh, that is prime one consulting with Jason Adams, our great friend. We love them and go to their website, prime the numeral one consulting.com. Thank you very much. I had to move a lot of stuff around in here today. Like I have switched sides for some of my stuff.

I don't even know if I have us online right now or not. I accidentally deleted, um, I accidentally deleted the, um, like our whole scene that we usually use on OBS. So I've had to do a lot of stuff. So, um, but, uh, yes. So I've had like, there's been a whole damn issue in here today. So hopefully everything is a okay and everything is good that way. And hopefully you guys are in the chat. I see some of you are on Twitch. Some of you are on Facebook. I know I went live at a weird time right now. So we'll see how many people end up joining us today.

And people are asking if my nose is bleeding or if there's a scratch. I don't believe so. If my face looks a little red, then I don't know what to tell you. I guess my face looks a little bit red. I've been tinkering with settings on here, and it's essentially been a pain in the ass is what I'm telling you. And then we were about to go live. I still can't figure out how to use the damn Zoom on here to get it to pull up.

It's a real pain in the ass. I know you've got your own problems in life, but my Christ, I try to figure this shit out. And then I've got this one dry piece of hair after my shower. I look like a fucking asshole. And this happens to me every time I take a damn shower is I end up with this shit. So then I know I look a little bit redder than I normally look on here. I just got out of the shower. Uh, I'm working on camera settings on here. It's an, it's just a pain in the ass is what I'm getting at here. Like this is going to, like this is destroying my life right now. This piece of shitty hair in the front. I took a quick

shower. Somehow I washed and put conditioner in my hair. Yet some piece of my hair is not wet. My goodness. So that's my disaster of a life I've got going on right now. And then we were trying to fiddle with something, and somehow I deleted our scene on here, which is why it's just a tight shot of me and some graphics at the bottom of the screen, because I deleted our shit on accident. So that's where we are. But with that said, let's try to get Sean on the phone. Let's get Sean Salisbury on here. Sean doesn't have

these issues in life because Sean is just a happy person who rules at everything and is in a good mood all the time and is great. And he doesn't have to deal with this kind of stuff. Let me call Sean right now and see what he's up to. Let's see here hello hey brother we're on live how are you i'm good man how are you well good i know yeah i'm getting i'm getting a major echo i don't want to interrupt or buzzkill is it possible to fix that or should we just roll uh shit i don't know why you're getting an echo on there i i'm using the same approach i used last night with caliendo and there was no echo so i don't know why you're getting an echo on there i i'm using the same approach i used last night with caliendo and there was no echo so i don't know why that's the case you got me caliendo's just better i'm getting feedback you want me to call you or just leave yeah you can

try to call you can try to call me that's fine see if that helps i don't know if it will or not is this the number yeah call this number we're on live so just call me you got it brother all right cool my life is a clusterfuck my podcast life is a clusterfuck i have no idea what i'm doing let's see if this works let's see hello you there hold on let me see hold on now let me see here hold on let's go to i know i there's probably no echo now but there's going to be an echo in a second is there an echo now hello no no echo yeah there's a little bit a little bit i'm good yeah it's okay all right good i know it's gonna be on with you yeah i know man it's a pain one of these days i'm gonna figure this shit out and

i'm going to be the greatest podcaster ever but until we are yeah not quite i mean yeah well you got uh guys like uh our guy mcafee making 30 mil a year to podcast and i can't figure out how to fucking zoom so we could put hey you and i could put they could put somebody on the moon i can't figure out how to turn on a phone either so i'm with you brother no i know i get it no it's a pain in the ass bro i get it uh but uh sean salisbury is us. How the hell are you doing, man? I'm doing great. I'm actually sitting out. We were talking today.

You and I, I'm sitting out on my back door kitchen. My back, you know, my back outside kitchen. It's pretty close to all being done with the shades and all the big old bar and refrigerator and double tap and four TVs, watching a little college basketball and talking to you. I was just out mowing the lawn, and I'm just rolling, brother, and enjoying the holiday season, get ready for Christmas. And always great to be on with you. We miss you here.

No, I miss you. And, dude, your life rules, man. Like, you've got this nice place. Where are you at? Like, Fulcher? Is that where you are? Yeah, I'm in the Fulcher-Cady area. Yeah, exactly.

You're close enough to everything, but I feel like I'm on a whole bunch of space to where, like, right now, I'm staring out. I can see the west coast, the end of the west setting sunset, and I don't hear anybody else. I got you. It's pleasant. The wind's not blowing. Life is good. I can see a rabbit trying to sneak through my fence, but I'm going to have to stick my 80-pound bully.

No, I'm kidding but yeah i'm loving life just relaxing and excited i love the christmas holidays and just you know taking it all in i know i know what the other side looks like so i'm gonna i'm enjoying this and being family and all that on christmas day and i can't wait brother and that's why i don't that's why i don't really give a shit about talking about football with you i like talking about life with you because you've been at the bottom and you've wondered if you're ever going to make it back up. How the hell do you stay so optimistic? You're like the most optimistic person ever.

Easy when you know what rock bottom and quicksand looks like, brother. And I ain't ever fucking going back. And when you have a great family and friends and people when they did stuff for you through it, you know, it's easy to run from somebody when you're going through your tough times, right?

Listen, when you're on your way up to the penthouse, which I've been to, everybody wants to latch on and go. Sitting in VIP is a fun thing, brother. And they want to be a part of it. The fall goes real fast and people can't catch you. And a lot of times people don't want to catch you. They just watch you slide by down the ladder.

But then you've got that group. And I've been blessed with a lot of good people right um but and it sounds cheesy but had that group of people that when i was when things were well i that i people i would have never thought they would be at the forefront of i don't even know if rescue is the right word but grabbing your hand when you're in quicksand and building the staircase for you at a rock bottom were people that if you'd have said to me 20 years ago, Sean, who are the five, six, seven, eight people that no matter what, and they probably got a handful of these people, half of them probably wouldn't have been even mentioned, but the people who stayed by, and I have a ton of friends, but the ones that you like,

if you were given a hall of fame speech, which I ain't ever going to give, they'd be the ones, right? So staying optimistic, my man is easy. You know, when you go through, when things are great and then you slide down to rock bottom and you got to pick yourself up and eventually nobody feels sorry for you. I mean, you may, if it's self-inflicted mistake or regardless, you get to a point where it's either stay here or I'm getting out. And I decided I'd had enough and with the right people around and family and a lot of prayer and a lot of faith. But you do start to question your, you do, it's natural to start questioning your skill set. You say, well, fuck, I hit rock bottom, but I didn't lose my skills.

And I was sleeping in a truck about 100 days out of 365. I lost my home. I became a recluse for about five or six years. I'd go to a restaurant, and I'd order food and meet it out there. And this is not hyperbolic. It's fact. And hang around a few, but I went to about 120 movies a year in the theater by myself. Yeah.

Because I didn't. And, you know, my kids were always there for me, but you got to put on for your kids because they expect it. I mean, my kids seen me go through difficult times. I lost my dad, a house and a career all within about eight months to 12 months, all at the same time. And so, but when you got kids that are like, dad, you know, nothing's ever changed. You're still a great dad and you're, you know, your skill set never went away.

But when you, you know, when your self-esteem and self-worth gets hit and hard and quite a bit of it's your own fault because it's self-inflicted and then you wallow in it, eventually, Pete, you got a choice, man. I could stay there and people forget about you and say, well, is he going to pick himself up? Or, you know, a few friends help you up and your family and then you say I'm gonna just keep trudging forward and there were some times you're podcasting for nothing nobody's listening and you've got to gain trust back and you've got to gain trust in yourself and believe in yourself and for me it was great people saying to get your bitch ass up and do what you do and then all of a sudden you get a break here and you're back at it and you see yourself start to go back up and your kids still love you no matter what.

But my number one driving force aside from I didn't want to stay there, Josh, was, and it's been now a bunch of years now. Hell, it's been 10, 12 years, but it never goes away. And the fact that when my kids and people are watching, I wanted them to know that you can be at top. If you hit rock bottom, you can get back and you can start climbing again. And that's what, honest to God, would help me to work my way through. Because there were times I questioned if I was going to wake up the next day or if I wanted to, for that matter.

And I went through every mental, emotional struggle, physical, mental, emotional. And it was hard, but, you know, it's not like I was feeling sorry for myself. And I was for a minute. I went through every emotion, feel sorry for myself, pissed, angry, all that. And I said, you know what? And then I immersed myself in, and this sounds cheesy too, but I immersed myself into others. I immersed myself into somebody else always had it worse. And up until about a year ago, and it's time to remind myself again, I would still a handful of times a year, a dozen times a year,

sleep in my truck out in front of my house or wherever I was, my apartment, probably two years ago, because I wanted to remind myself where I've been and to get back. And then, you know, you fortunately start working your way back, and you never take it for granted, and I'm blessed. So that's the way I stay positive because negative sucks, and, you know, nobody wants to be around it. It's okay to be pissed once the emotions but like anything else you know when you immerse yourself into helping others

that are far less fortunate than i was and had great family and i had my health and that was important so here i am brother and now you're even healthier right you've lost weight all that stuff i'm better than i listen i sense knee replacement and and that's another thing you're drinking and you're sitting around and you're not exercising because you're pouting and you're pissed at the world. It's everybody's fault. And then you realize you start pointing the thumb at yourself and say, I got to get up. You hope that somewhere along the line,

somebody recognized it so you can, you can, you know, get back to your career. But I questioned it all, but yeah, I, you know, you get yourself in shape, you train and get knee replaced. So I feel better than I have since i since i was probably i was bone to bone in my knees and had about i've had about eight surgeries since i probably i feel better now than i have since i was in my early 30s so i keep grinding and there's perspective man you know you and i've had conversations over a beer and and just listen the talent doesn't go away the talent doesn't go away, the grind doesn't go away, and the appreciation sometimes does. And when you gain appreciation again, you realize you're never

going back. And I pray for that strength every single day. It ain't easy, but I do. So when you got let go at ESPN, is your first thought like, hey, I feel like I've been screwed over by these people, but I think there's going to be another door that's going to open. There's going to be a Fox, there's going to be a CBS. Like, was it more of an anger? Was it a disappointment? How did that work? I went through all. I was like, what?

Over a cell phone pick that was in my own phone that I did. Believe me, a lot of, you know, somewhere between, oh, my gosh, the guy was walking down with his pants down above his ankle to a stupid cell phone joke in your phone. Somewhere in the middle. It's just silly, right? But you know how that story gets. Oh, it's like the fish story you caught a four pound trout before you know it it's a 400 pound marlin right so i go through that but i was i couldn't believe it because i'd been you know every single day all i did was care about the people i worked with right

i mean whether it's monday night and treating everybody to pizza not not that that requires a pat on the back, but people were always, I've always put people and teammates and coworkers. I would like to think that 98% of the people I've ever worked with knew that I worked hard and cared about them. Teammates, whether it's football or in broadcasting at ESPN. And I loved it there. 12 years, they treated me great.

I'm never going to say anything bad. And so you go through fear. I like how is this happening I'm you know I mean I got one of the best jobs in the country I'm on tv every day what and then you start then I lost my dad and then you start to reel and you start to oh my gosh but that very day I was like oh that's no somebody's going to realize this is so element. It's so stupid. Sophomore, dumb, self-inflicted. But there's a dumb picture on your phone that was a joke one day. The next thing you know, it's like, oh, my gosh.

Wrong eyes hear it or, you know, whatever. And it's like I feel horrible about it because that's not who, you know, my kid's an example. And when your kids go to school and say, I heard what happened to your dad. It's like, and they're nine. That'll set you straight, dude. And it was just silly. But I didn't, I didn't poopoo it away. I'm like, gosh, dang, I can't believe this. And then next thing you know, I'm in my truck, literally driving back home thinking I'm my agent. I've been in this business a long time, talent, the rest of

it. And then what happens is, you know, you're, I didn't get get touched that's amazing that's a missile i get touched and i i've been on tv i've probably been on tv and i don't mean it arrogant but between sports center and nfl live i was probably on as much as regis philbin was right sure every day and i worked at it but i was great i mean the camera crew everybody the people were phenomenal it was just a stupid i thought at the time what's a slap on the hand, right? Okay, you made a stupid mistake in a bar off campus in your own phone.

Little phone, hey, see that? And then you, oh, my gosh. And then it starts to swell. And then you fight back. And then you're angry. And you're like, wait a second. And, you know, why is this happening? And then you're like, well, why wouldn't they defend me over this?

Slap, you know, give me my suspenders. Let me come. And it happened in 2006. Yeah, it was two years later. I mean, for two straight years i worked there after that and then it you know the pr and the rest of it two years later i mean 2006 didn't leave till march of 2008 and it just got to a point i guess where it was you know it just so do you think it's oh at some point you think it's over it's been two years it's a little joke whatever so was it a contract negotiation yeah i think i'm going in for contract negotiation At some point you think it's over. It's been two years. It's a little joke, whatever.

So was it a dead spin? Yeah, I think I'm going in for a contract negotiation in 2008 because I got four or five months left on a deal. And I know it was still, and I tried to, you know, two years you're working the game, trust back. And like I said, this is not a finger point. It was my mistake. When you make a sophomore air drinking, having a beer with your buddies, and three of your guy friends are laughing at it, I mistake when you make a sophomore air drinking, having a beer with your buddies and your three,

your guy friends are laughing at it. And then you, then all of a sudden, you know, you get into your, your, your, I'd had surgery and you're taking a Percocet with your surgery.

And then, and then you get an interview. And before you know it, it starts to snowball. I blame nobody, but me, Josh, it was,

you know, now we're talking, what are we talking 14 years ago, but it never goes away. There's not a day that I don't wake up to three things I don't think about. My dad, my mom, who both passed away. And this will be our first Christmas without my mom. That was over the summer.

My kids every single day and what kind of dad I am. And how am I treating people? And this, basically, this job. Meaning what happened 14 years ago. Because in truth, over that simple cell phone pick, and my stupidity of trying to feel like I needed to defend something in battle, it was just dumb. And I don't hold – I'm not mad at anybody. I don't hold a grudge.

But I went through the anger, anger at myself, embarrassment over a stupid cell phone picture. But it was my fault. And then it snowballs. You know when people jump on it with social media, and all of a sudden you become the guy that they're going to make sure that people knew, and then you fight back, and you say something stupid. I didn't even know how to deal with that.

I'd never been through anything like it. And so it was all my fault. But you think, okay, it dies down six months, I'm going to be back on TV. And I don't mean it arrogant, but I thought I was as good an analyst as there was in the country. I worked my ass off, but I had great people, great teachers, great co-hosts, incredible from research to production. I love those people. So I thought, well, this is going to go away. away and i you know here's a tough radio career well you know back i've not had an i've never television opportunity again i don't get it it's like, I think I've served my time. I could tell you the punishment I've received is far bigger than the, the, uh, the punishment has been far more serving than the,

than the, than the cell phone pick. I've, I've done, I've lost everything. I, from salary to house to dignity and self-inflicted. And I made a bigger deal out of it than I should have. I mean, I never let it go. I still, to this day, there's about 5% of it that's still, Sean, you dumbass, for a stupid cell phone picture. And then what happens is it mushrooms, and before you know it, and I think that I probably think about it more than others do now. Nobody ever brings it up. Every now and then you'll get a wiseass who will say something.

Hey, 14 years ago. But I've come to grips with the fact that I treat people great. I immerse myself into others. I worked on getting back in. I didn't make excuses. I pointed the finger at me. And I belong on the local stage, but I belong on the national stage. I do.

Where do you think you'd be today? Where do you think, if that never happens, are you Monday night football? Who are you today if that never happens are you monday night football are you like who like who are you today if that never happens well i mean i could tell you what the some of the talk was i mean a college football approached me about doing the primetime game on saturday night when i was there um and i did the whispers of auditions for something bigger than nfl live and doing so you you you visualize what that might be. You could have been Herbstreit. Well, you know, well, and Herbie and I were there together,

and it was awesome. The NFL's version of it, let's put it that way. And I was doing college football, but I don't know where I'd have been. I know I was on the ascent, but it wasn't given to me. I was not a first-round quarterback that was handed a job. Not saying it's bad for those guys because the Romos and the Aikmans are phenomenal. They go from a great career to great in broadcast. But I was working sidelines, so I learned the hard way.

I was doing a local morning drive after I was done. I wasn't a Super Bowl champion. So I worked my way up, and I got an audition for NFL Live NFL Tonight at the time. And then between SportsCenter and NFL Live and all the great partners and Golik and Mark Malone and Wingo and Schlereth and Hodge and SportsCenter with Dan. And I mean, I learned so much along the way. And I was doing well. I never said no to work. I just busted my ass and was a dad and work. That's all I did was a dad and work.

And one silly mistake self-inflicted my fault. Nowadays, I don't even know if anybody gives three minutes of time, right? Sure. But it was pre-what I write with social media. It started to get hot. And I was dumb and young. And you take things for granted. But I still worked.

It wasn't like I was taking it for granted or being mean. It was sophomoric. And so I think six months later, okay, I but I still worked it was like I was taking for granted being mean it's just like you know you it was sophomoric and so I think six months later okay I'll be back at it and you know what I that stage on national television but I've come to grips with if it never happens I've had one hell of a career and I'll keep grinding I'm not gonna be disappointed because I train kids every day and I got a great radio job and I get to go big guest appearances and do stuff like this with you. And like I said, my story is never one for people to feel sorry for me. My story is one for redemption matters, but not redemption to prove people that told you so I'm better than you. It was redemption for me and to make a comeback from rock bottom

and try to teach people. And I will, I've got an outline for a book, but it's not a book of, like, mean. It's a book that when you hit your rock bottom and feel like you want to die, that you can. Because there was times when I didn't think. I'd lay in bed day after day. I'd sleep till noon. And if I still had my apartment. Or there was times I'd walk around to kill some of the day. And I know this sounds like,

come on, John, I'd walk for hours in Dallas for about four hours to sweat. And then I take a shower. If I had an apartment or we're staying with a friend or sleep, I'd go to the movies, I'd come home and I'd get to bed and I'd sleep in until noon the next day. If I wasn't doing anything and I had some money,

but then I think you start to lose it. And then you're cutting into some other stuff, you know, your savings. And so I hit rock bottom and you know what i i punished myself for it too nobody else needed to punish me i beat myself up over it and i should have been a better example that day and that minute and i wasn't and i've learned a lot from it so the story to tell is you can overcome mistakes no matter how big or small and i don't know where i'd be josh i know i would have an op put it this way i would have had auditions to do things that

that you know when we aspire for i was living my dream working at espn and but there there was there was another level that i would have reached but my stupidity brought it down. And I didn't handle that part of adversity well early on. I handle it better now. And I can laugh at myself for stupidity. It wasn't funny then. And it's not laughing at it saying, screw you guys. It's laughing saying, Sean, you got to forgive yourself and move on.

And that's the only way I could move on. And I have, and, you know, I still aspire. I love what I do now but I also aspire to add bigger things but I got some fun state along the way some people that have put their arm around these people that have kicked me in the ass because I've needed it people that have given me a chance um and I'm not who gave you that opportunity who gave you that first opportunity after you were at rock bottom and you're sleeping in your car who calls you in this middle gavin's the man isn't he the best he is phenomenal they brought me they brought me there and to this day i mean i mean whenever i see him i just want to hug him and kiss him on the forehead

right yeah he was the end he was the initial guy and then you you know you're at the david gal was phenomenal to me and brought me in after i left and moved here. And, you know, there's so many, listen, people that nobody knows and people that do know and people that don't want anybody to know that the, the helping hand they gave, or I, there's a guy at church. I didn't have a vehicle. It was a gentleman who's whose brother and I'll leave his name out. I don't want to, you know, he's a very understated guy. His brother was a longtime player in the NFL, and I'd never met him.

I'm at church one day. He comes up. He said, I love you. Follow your story. And I just want you to know I care. And I was, next thing you know, I'm using a vehicle he had extra. And it was the only way I could get to quarterback training at the time. And I was traveling different places to do it.

So stay afloat. And he himself, to this day, brings me to tears thinking he didn't have to do that. He didn't even know me. He didn't even know me. Saw me, and his brother was a longtime player and wearing a Super Bowl ring, too. So I just, the little things which end up, the little things for others were big for me. And so I count the little things which end up little things for others were big for me and so I count my blessings I don't one day take it for granted man because I want my dad and my mom to know that the legacy but I I am now grateful I know it sounds crazy I get emotional over it I'm now

grateful I went through it because I don't know if when I was 60 if I were when I when I turned 60 or 70 or you know that if I would have been able to handle it later in life and i'm i like listen brother i don't have much as far i mean i i've had lived an incredible life and i've got great family and kids and i i'm i'm good at two things i'm a hell of a dad and i care and i care about people so maybe three things and karaoke so four and i i can sing yeah i have a giver i like to think i'm a giver and not a taker but i i am i i know how to i'm tough as a son of i'm a tough motherfucker dude you are mentally emotionally physically and that's not arrogant but that was part of my dad i didn't have a they didn't my dad was the type that dude you don't come to me if you got a

complaint go to your coach or go to there and fix it. We're here for you. Help you, but you go fix it. So, learn how to get out of it. There was many times I didn't think I could. I know I'm all over the map with this. I love it. I love talking with you, Sean, because your story is great. I know that

you could come on. We could talk football and, hey, the Titans play and I don't give a fuck. I really don't. One of my great regrets, i mean this is you know like i'm more bitter about things like you've you've lived long enough and gotten over some bitterness i'm a bitter person like i just i hold grudges and i stay bitter yeah but you're doing great dude you're doing my bitterness my bitterness uh like i still have it but in particular i have a bitterness for 790 because i just think that that was a bad situation, and it upsets me sometimes when I think about it. But the bitterness I have is because I enjoyed working with you.

I regret that we only met each other with about a year or so left. I think it was less than a year. I got fired two days after we were out for your birthday. But I enjoyed being around you, and I thought that you and I and Jim and Jilly we kind of made like this really good kind of team of people on a radio station and i regret that that only lasted a couple of months because i feel like that could have been a really really good radio station grand slam and you know what brother we're young bro man we got a lot of time and i get it and i'm with you and my, I always judge people by the way I meet them. You've been nothing but phenomenal to me, my girl and my family,

Tanya, and your family to me because we laugh and joke, and I've had conversations with you that nobody will ever know about. Sure. That's our business. And that's what I love is you and I, and I'm very happy with the job I have here. I'm not bitter that I'm in Nashville and I have a number one rated show and I've proven that I can do that and sports and that's cool. But there's a bitterness about me in that I feel like right now I could be sitting out on your patio

watching your four TVs right now betting on a ball game playing with the dogs. And I feel like that's kind of a part of life that I miss out on now because of the way shit went south there and like like i would love to be doing that i have nothing against nashville the people are great the boss is great i love it i do but like i'd love to be sitting out there you'd probably be like drinking whatever the hell you're drinking smoking a cigar i'd attempt to smoke a cigar but i'm a child and i can't do it i got my humidor for us and all the cigars yeah let me let me explain something to you, brother. This is the, I'm older than you, this is the big brother. We've had conversations, deep conversations that nobody will ever know about

because that's you and me and conversations that matter to me. You're a little more, I was you when it came to the hardcore, you know, the emotion. I know, Steve, the thing is I could see the forest and the trees with you. I know how much you care. I know how much you like people. And I know a lot of it, too, is the hard edge. I know you, and you know I know you better. And that's why you've come to me and confided in me and the questions you have.

You are going to sit out here on the patio. And the only reason I said I got this kitchen is because 15 years ago, dude, I tried to find a computer to turn on so I could watch it. So I get it. I know the, and I've had, listen, it's not one of ago, dude, I tried to find a computer to turn on so I could watch it. So I get it. I know the – and I've had – listen, it's not one of those, yeah, I treaded three miles uphill in the snow. I've had a phenomenal life. There was just about a five- or six-year period that it was like the good lore.

It was like, dude, you're going to have to pick yourself up because you got yourself here. Now how are you going to get out of it? So it's never a feel sorry. Like I said, the feel-good story for me is trying to help people along the way that even if it means putting your arm around them or taking them to dinner but with you one thing for you when you there's one left level for you brother you're talented as hell and bitter i get it we've all been there anybody who says they haven't been bitter at something is full of shit. I think the bitterness kind of comes from the fact that I enjoy living in Houston, and I feel like, and I feel like, and listen, I have self-inflicted issues too.

Like, I'm not some perfect person. I fuck shit up. I understand that. And I used to talk with Michael Berry about that all the time. He's like, you're going to end up getting yourself fired here. He's going to say, listen, dude, I'm trying to help you. You're going to eventually, you're picking the wrong battles all the time and that's just my biggest thing is i picked the wrong battles hell the coronavirus has helped me because there's

nobody in the fucking building to start fights with so my life like i hate to say it that way but like i'm sitting at the radio station no one's there so there's no one to fight with or no one to dislike me you know but i have these self-inflicted issues and i know i have that but damn i felt like we you know we were kind of up against it at 790 and there was just a lot of victory all there and like i feel like that could have been and i can't i wish i could like like i just will i'm bitter my point i'm trying i know and it's okay it's okay to sit home and stew it's like a think about it in sports terms and i've thrown enough interceptions to know what shitty quarterback play could be brother is you know that feeling when you throw it when you when you screw up whatever

it is and you're pissed you're bitter you're angry and what the old cliche of the coach you get 24 hours dude the good stuff spit it out we just won a game we're moving on in the playoffs the bad stuff spit out here's what here's where the next level is bpu is and i know because i've lived both that i know what that penthouse looks like i sure should earn the outhouse and piss down my own leg plenty but i'm working my way back up like floor nine and there's well i'm trying you know i'm working but with the help from great bosses and great guys the people that have supported me and allowed me to come back in and remind me that, dude, you never lost your talent. It was a stupid cell phone picture.

Stop it. And the truth is, none of these people who wrote articles or stuff, at first you're bitter at them. I'm not bitter at any of them. I don't want to, I'm not mad at any of them. I love my, some of the 12 best years of my life, family and being at ESPN with the energy of a live television show and sitting next to Dan or Scott Van Pelt in the last in the newsroom. Dude, it was as close to locker room as you ever got. I, to this day, like the memories are like I could write a book, a good one, on the fun, uplifting, great people that I worked with.

They're not just there everywhere, but on that TV side when this happened. Well, here's what's going to happen with you. And I can tell you, you are a extremely gifted talent and you know we didn't script this folks this i'm just no but i've told this is not a self-help seminar that was scripted this is not tony robbins I'll see you at the top. Exactly. Exactly. Is when there's the next level, and you've come so far. And the reason I could see it is because I know I lived it. But there's only one left, and it's okay to be bitter, man. And it's okay to beat your head against the wall once in a while and motherfuck your friend.

And if you've got a friend like me, see, you can motherfuck. I'm motherfucking you. I've seen you get angry. I'm motherfucking you ever. seen you i'm motherfucking you ever right but i got your back my point is if you motherfuck somebody you also know you can vent and and get right back to your work somebody you know nobody's got you but for you it's with your gifts and your talent and your love for that's the one they're pat i know you love this shit yep you love it more than about 90 you love this shit you love the grind you love to get on you love this shit. Yep. You love it more than about 90%. You love this shit. You love the grind.

You love to get under their skin. You love to have some laughs. You love to talk sports. You like to talk politics. All those things which make you, and you get it. The voice, you get it. You grew up in it. And it's okay to have people that are angry.

Listen, I don't know any successful guy in my life that didn't toe the line and piss a few people off along the way. Your thing, your next level is when you finally decide that what's happened in your past, radio or boss or a show you did or somewhere you want to be in your goals. When you finally decide, OK, OK, screw it. It was a mistake. Because I've now looked my life is in moments if i look at the big picture dude i've stayed up at night staring at that ceiling saying sean a stupid self what the fuck you could be i mean that that's with the way they're paying the skip bayless is the

rest of the world though it's like sean you're staring at a lot of you know it's not just money but where you are and you have to get your dignity back and earn that trust. And when I finally decided to breathe, to exhale and live in moments, dude, all this was for you here or somewhere else or when you were somewhere else in your life, when you were 15 or 25 or 32, it was just – it's a moment, dude. It's a moment. And in order to get the moment you want back, once you fully exhale – and Chuck Knox told me a great thing as a rookie. He said, garbage in, like a bad play, it comes in, spit that shit out immediately.

Garbage out. He called it ego. I know it sounds crazy. It was garbage in, garbage out. And I learned a valuable lesson. He said, if you take in the good stuff, the only thing you could spit out is the good stuff. And so to let plays go, to do

that. And for you, there's one level that I'm going to harp on this for you when we're off all the time, because I know how close you are, and I know how bad you want it. If you had no passion and sucked at your job, then you would be on a number one rated show. Then nobody gives two shits about what you do. You can sit there and

bitch and complain, but that's not the thing. I've been doing this long enough to know that there's some people who may get more breaks but don't work as hard or aren't as passionate as other people. It's just right place, right time. When you decide to let the final – you've exhaled, but when you finally decide that it's just moments, it was one – dude, have you ever failed a test? Sure.

In school? Sure you have, and you're a smart guy. I know what you're like. I know you're smart. If you failed a test in school somewhere because you just didn't study, didn't give a shit, yes. So, did it affect the rest of your life? No, it was a moment. It was a freaking moment.

All this was for you when you're going through that bitterness, whatever, who, what, is a moment, dude. And I'm going to harp on it because I'm not going to let you sit here and wallow in this shit where you can be a superstar and you are a talent. But that's the thing. In my mind, and I get that, but in my mind, like I was already at WIP in Philadelphia, and that's the big time.

I mean, as far as sports radio goes, it's that, it's Boston, it's New York. You've been to the big market. Hell yeah. I've been to the big time. I've had three different jobs, two real jobs in houston and in my mind and this is a weird thing to be angry about because i have very good radio and i am enjoying doing what i'm doing but there's this part of me that thinks that people view me and they tell me this they view me as a failure at sports radio and like there's why do you care and sometimes i don't sometimes i don't but

sometimes i do sometimes it just bothers me. Okay, listen. If it doesn't bother you, you're not human. Being bothered by it and let it eat you up is another whole thing. And getting your path, okay, listen. You think, and I don't mean this, you think when you're watching a movie, right, and whatever movie, some movie with Liam Dees submitted, okay, where a train's going to run over a car.

The train's going full speed, brother, and it hits the car. It derails it for a second. Hopefully nobody's in the car. Listen, yeah, you didn't like it. What the hell's going on? Once the track's cleared, you think that conductor didn't get his ass back behind the wheel? Dude, the only thing you i get it fuck yeah i 100 get what you say i've been to the big time people don't like me yes yeah

how think about me now you you were much higher than i was i mean you were at the apex and i've got news for you i've been much lower too so look at it that way i've been i've been much lower the much lower and because you're you're you think people you think everybody perceives you to fuck you know better than that and i understand it makes it should because you know what it is fear of failure not your fear of failure but we all have this driving force whatever it is and when somebody says you know what i i dude throwing an interception how many times you think I still want to play back in my career saying, gosh dang it, I let my teammates down in the Washington Redskins playoff game thinking,

now does the world think I'm a horrible quarterback that played 10 years and I could have been better and made some good plays, made some bad ones. And it still bothers me, but it doesn't define me. And you having bitterness or somebody where you're pissed and think you're not, nobody thinks you're not talented. That's what you've got to understand, or good at your job. You know you're good at your job.

You think some slapdick sitting in some city that tweets you and he doesn't have a profile picture and gets on your skin and says, oh, you suck, I didn't like you, you're an asshole. You really think that that's life? Who cares what he thinks? And when you get to the point, think about when you've been in your most peaceful in your life

and your best, when you didn't give two shits about. Now, when I say other people's opinion, you want good people that surround. And even now, it's nice to have somebody to call you an idiot. Because you say, you know what?

I was being an asshole. I'm going to fix this. But for the most part, you, you're doing things that a lot of people can't do. So why are you going to – do you think I'm going to let the opinion of some dude who never put it on, never held a ball in his hand in the pocket, not that I don't respect it, but tell me what I did wrong on a curl route when he's never put it on and he never got back there and put his ass on the line?

Do you actually think that he gets to dictate whether I'm happy or pissed why do we argue with these people though because you do you'll do it sometimes too you're damn right i will you know why because we love the game we love the battle and that's what that's what athletes and broadcast we love the battle sometimes somebody will say something all you'll laugh about it the guy after he says it i'll say man you're right boy what a shitty throw that, or what a stupid prediction by me. And you know what they do? Now they're your friend. Sure. They're looking for the battle. And sometimes, sometimes I love the battle too, but for you, it doesn't matter. All that matters is what the people around you think your family think, and you're putting good radio or whatever your careers or whatever you're

doing, treating people, right? What'll happen when you exhale, that's exactly when some guy says, you know what? He's over it. There's no reason we shouldn't be over it. And that helped me too. I think it almost, I put off a vibe that I was upset and that I was, you know, couldn't get a dozen

years ago. When I finally quit putting out that, even just being around me, it was like it wasn't fun. Oh, I know that life, life dude because like for that two years I was out or the year so I was out man like people I wouldn't get calls back from like programmers like I'm talking about people in small markets and they wouldn't even respond to my emails like I'm such a fucking wacko that I've got a list in my phone out of your own head I know totally totally but I got a list in my phone out of your own head i know totally totally but i got a list in my phone i got a list of program directors who did not respond to just an email didn't even respond they're on my shit list what good is that gonna do you none but i did it because i'm a fucking

lunatic okay you left here tell me the ratings on your show again i know but spit it out a little louder for me we're number one you're number one yeah one yeah so what oh but you're not any good at your job right stop it dude we'll fight over this forever but you're my guy so sure listen and you know what you're going you're gonna you're gonna reach them and i'm gonna ride you till you finally say you know and listen are there still people in my life going through this i said like i think about ron jaworski and Scott Van Pelt and Dan Patrick and John Clayton, that the second it was done, when I left there, it wasn't 10 minutes before I got a call. Bruce Kaufman, who was a production guy.

Fritzy, you know, who's on one of the dance guys. Yeah. Paul Papp's people. And there's people that came out of nowhere that you think, man, I haven't talked to that guy. I don't want to say, dude, let it go it go or i love you that's all it took and so my bitterness was more at me than anybody else but i went through every emotion so i know what you're going through but dude you're so close don't let don't don't let you and i love the fans that you interact

and you know i care about those people you know how i feel about them and but the way to stay positive is i just keep telling myself, and I'm a big believer in self-talk, and I used to self-talk my way. Do you know why I believe that I wasn't a better quarterback in the NFL? I had a 10-year career, and the recruit blew my knee out twice. You know why? I tell my quarterbacks this because I couldn't get over a bad play quick enough. Early in my career, I could.

And then in the middle of it, I was like, damn. My expectations clicked. Why do you think that happened? Why when you were, I can say, USC, could you get over, but as a pro, you couldn't? Well, because I was supposed to be a first-round bad draft pick, and I'm going through what you're going through now. Blew out my knee twice,

shredded it, got questioned, you get benched, you get back, and then you don't get drafted, and you're like, nobody thinks I can play. And then you start to believe it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. That's what it does. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. That's what it does. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. And then you're like, damn.

And so you throw an interception that, okay, he missed him a little bit. It got tipped interception. And when I could get over that, then everything goes quickly. I admire the guys that can get over bad plays and good plays equally as quick. I couldn't. I could get over good plays. Hell, if I had a great game, I was miserable over the four incompletes I do. And it kept me up at night. And so I couldn't let for a,

for a distance in my career because I'd have some games like against Denver where it was like, man, I'm on fire. This is who I am. Then two weeks later, you come back and you throw two picks and a guy's wide open in the flat and you bounce it to him. And then you start questioning like, that's not you, but you start to, it becomes a self-fulfilling property i couldn't get over it fast enough and that's where you are right now the ability to get over it listen some of the guys bosses that didn't call you back they got jobs too they're they're busy and they got going on you know how this broadcast business is does that mean they don't like you and one of those guys on

your list whoever it is i don't even know your And one of those guys on your list, whoever it is, I don't even know your list, one of them, guess what may happen two years from now? He may be the guy that says, you know what, dude? Your comeback, I watched you to see how you'd handle when you were in the shit. I watched to see how you'd handle. I didn't ignore you. I just sat back and watched.

I wanted to see how you handled when things weren't good. And when I found out that you could handle when things weren't good is when I decided, with your talent, that you were at another level. And I lived it, dude, as a football player and as a broadcaster. It takes one, but it also, a lot of them are testing you to see how good you are when you're rated number one. They're testing to see how you are when your ass is sitting at home and you're putting out a resume and trying to get a call back how do you treat it also you got denied three times get in fucking

line dude who has it but trust me it's hard to look at it that way because you got this chip on your shoulder and you just want to fight everybody you're just like you want to say fuck this guy who is this guy to not respond to me i worked in philly i did this and this guy, you want to say, fuck this guy. Who is this guy to not respond to me? I worked in Philly. I did this. And this guy don't want to call me back in fucking Nashville. And then you get all worked up over it. Well, guess what? That's exactly. And it's okay to have your chip.

And guess what? The best players and the best workers, guess what they do? That chip, they use it to their advantage. The people who struggle to use the chip against somebody, it's like that football guy, good talkers on the field. You know, you play John Randall. He was a frigging phenomenal football player, but Johnny was a great fucking talker, right? And he'd antagonize, and he was great at it.

And Johnny was, first of all, Johnny was better than everybody as a player anyway. But even on those times when he met somebody as good as him, he could talk them into worrying so much about the stuff he was talking that they forgot their day job. Try to block a Hall of Famer. He's kicking your ass up and down the field and letting you know about it. And you're so – he's not only ripped space, dude, or leased it.

He bought the shit. And then they – and never – and gave it back. He bought that when he came in and when he left the league, decided to let them have their dignity back. And then Johnny was a great player and worked his ass off. But the whole bottom line is this. Chip's okay. A little anger every now and again is okay.

But take it from a guy who has been through every emotion, that my mistakes were my fault. And I'm now here to enhance other people, to make other people's life better. And I truly, there was a time, and I'm not sure I rooted for everybody's success, but even people that got rid of me when I left ESPN or a boss there that I still like, I root for success. I'll still send them a message and say, you know what?

The opportunity I got for 12 years was the greatest, and I'm sorry I blew it. So I went through, I had to learn, man. I'd never been through it. So I am convinced, and it's not an went through. I had to learn, man. I'd never been through it. So I am convinced. And it's not an ass-kissing thing to be kind or to get over it. Dude, if you quit having a chip on your shoulder, then you might as well quit. The chip's a good thing as long as the chip leads you to a chip, if you know what I mean, to the championship,

the ratings and getting the gig you want. But, dude, I know you. Quit looking over the next guy's shoulder saying, I got to get to there. I got to get there dude you've you've treaded places in cities great philly houston a big market you did you've been you've been at some some monster you've walked more places the guys on radio are never going to go and you'll get back there if that's what you want but until you quit worrying about what the guy across the street thinks and some program director turned your ass oh and how many times do you think that program director got passed up for the program director job until he

finally got it and some everything just goes great for him all the time but every single one of them or us will hit some form of stalling in their career whether it's self-inflicted money too much money and they got to cut whatever, COVID, whatever it is. So, you know, this thing, and hell, I'm going on the motivational speech circuit. How are you not already doing this? That's another thing, dude. I got tape, and I put it down, and I got talked, and I've done it. But I'm like, that's my fear wolf.

Does anybody, it's so funny you said that. You'll be at like some Lions club somewhere doing a, you know, talking to the guys at the VFW. When I was at ESPN, I would give these corporate speeches like to General Motors and all the time. And I got a bigger story to tell now because I know what it looks like to be on Bolton, how to get people motivated. And you hit it, but I'm living it right now because, you know, my first thought is, why does anybody want to hear my speech

or my motivational story? And then like Tanya or somebody else said, what do you mean? Why is anybody? Dude, your story, this is a better story than when you played or when you're broadcasting. It's been because now you've seen this, you know what rock bottom. Now you're impacting people more. Now I don't know how big my impact is. I know this.

I care about people and I know what I went through and I'm not going back and I'm going to keep climbing and keep climbing because the opinion of one or two dudes or somebody who does like me or doesn't like me doesn't is no longer gets to determine my path, man. I'm going to determine it because I screwed it up once and I was on a great, I had a great career, but more importantly, my path of being a dad, which one day you'll be my path of being a a good co-worker and a teammate which i've always been i've been i've screwed up plenty of times but you know what my screw-ups don't define me no defines me my comeback that's what defines me the scars that's what defines me and how to overcome them so there you go brother how the hell i mean you've certainly got like are you really doing videos and trying to get out there on the circuit i am in the prime outline the book, you know, to help people.

And then I know when you do that, then you go on the circuit. But I have, you know, a voiceover agent, but also I'm looking right now, because I've got a good agent, but somebody in the motivational, in the, you know, the Speaker's Bureau. Because once you hit one and go say listen man because most people are like us and i don't i'm not if i don't look at myself as a celebrity i'm not but most people are like what we've been through most people are like had it good screwed up or lost it had to get another job and it's not like when our parents were growing up they stayed in the same job 40 years i mean and did this and you had to fix it. And you go through struggles and you wake up, you're pissed in the morning, you're bitter, you're angry. But when you finally come to grips

with it, it's self-inflicted and you can get out of your own head and help others along the way. I'm convinced to immerse yourself and you're doing a good job of it. And when I do that, I quit thinking about, well, why aren't I giving a motivational speech? Why aren't I on the circuit? Why is this not done? Or why does this guy not have me on national TV? Or why, what does this guy think? Dude, you'll go insane frigging thinking about that shit. Well, here's the problem, though. Here's what you're up against, though.

You're up against people that have no arms and legs, but still run marathons, right? Right. And then you're like, well, what caused your downfall? My dick. So, you know what I'm saying? I guess when you compare it. The weapon of self-destruction right my hog my hog was here like some guys like yeah i got cancer and i lost both legs but uh but everybody's got a story though sure yeah yeah yeah yeah i would say that somebody who you know

is saving somebody's life in the military has a much bigger story to tell that I do it far more important, but there's an audience dude, audience for everybody. Everybody's got an audience and hell I listen. I'm when I hear those, I hear like military or people who have lost them and yeah. And you're sitting on, sit on my ass and I see a guy that hits in a golf ball with one arm farther than I hit it and hits it straight. And he's been through military and he got, and he took a, you know, he took a, he took a unfriendly fire in the military. And he's the happiest guy in the world.

And he doesn't have one leg or one arm and he's shooting 68. I'm like, and he's riding in my car. And I'm thinking, dude, you, you, you suck, but you're the greatest dude on the planet. So along the way, and that'll also add perspective to Sean. Don't be a pouting little bitch. Look at this. Think with it. This guy was laying in some, you know, somewhere in a, in a, in a Jeep or in a military and didn't know if he was ever going home to his family. Get your ass up. Quit feeling sorry for yourself. Take the blame and get back to work. And it makes for a

story, but more importantly, people see you, people watch and want to know how you deal with adversity, just like we do in sports or any other part of life and that's the next step and when you quit let it go dude and you'll be and you're gonna kill it and you're doing a great job already that is our friend sean salisbury well on that note sean i'm sure we'll do this again soon one day we should just do a podcast or something i think it'd be very good i don't know what i don't know what your i don't know why this is like a three time a week we cover everything we can one time when are we going to put our christmas album together oh god we'll crush we'll do like I don't know why this is like a three-time-a-week. We cover everything. When are we going to put our Christmas album together?

Oh, God. We'll crush. We'll do like the fake Bee Gees sing Christmas songs. We'll harmonize. Or we could do Chestnuts Roasting. On an open fire. Oh, we'd crush. God, we'd crush. We are so good.

I'm next up at this crib the real pro karaoke machine so i'm waiting on you brother so get your ass here on a vacation or we'll get there we'll have fun it's always a trust me you don't want to come to our place our place a thousand square feet it's like a matchbox we're coming to your mansion your patio is bigger than our house i've slept in the back of a truck by the way okay so i i don't i I know what a tent looks like, so save it. Okay, I'm going to put the fruit to your labor. You know how I am. As long as I've got a couch, a TV, a shower, and good people,

and a cold beer with my friends, I don't really give a shit. Totally. And family. So, hey, we'll do this again. I hope that, you know, I know I used up a lot of your time. I don't care. That's why I love it. We're inspired now.

And what are you waiting for on the podcast? What do we get back to? Well, one of these days we'll do it. What are we waiting for? We got all the technology. What are we waiting for? Because I don't know how to use the technology. That's what we're waiting for.

I'll make you a deal. I'll make sure we get the technology and equipment, and I'll get it right. And then we hit the ground running, and you can tee us up, and we'll go talk sports and entertainment and we'll give it a fun name and we'll do it like three times a week for an hour and we'll bring people in and we'll just have a blast yes sir sounds good love you man good talking with you love you tell jillian hello merry christmas to you guys man and uh you know i love you and i always appreciate the good insight and the non-sports kind of sports but just life talk brother hang

in there if you need anything i'm here and you know what throw your fucking list away okay love you man we'll see you brother all right bye-bye that is our friend sean salisbury everybody love talking with sean so there you go uh before we get out of here, I do have to tell you about spindle tap. Jelly said, you saw that spindle tap is hiring maybe possibly sort of, uh, so, um, uh, spindle tap, of course, I don't even know if they're open tomorrow when like, I got to find out, but you know what you should do is if you want to go out and brave it tomorrow, go buy some beer, go buy some spindle tap, have some drinks on Christmas because we're going to be on tomorrow night. What time you want to go on? Like later tomorrow night, like eight, nine, something like that. And we're going to be drinking tomorrow and celebrating Christmas Eve.

So basically we're going to come on, on here in between watching bad Santa and Christmas vacation. So make sure you, you, you listen tomorrow and get some Spindle Tap and drink it. So Spindle Tap. We love them. They're great. We love their support. Spindle Tap. Also, I don't know if Eddie's in the chat today, but Eddie is awesome.

And actually, the other day he sent a message and he said, hey, I forgot to wish Jilly happy birthday. So happy birthday, Jilly. And he didn't have to do that, but he's such a nice man, this Eddie. He is great. So make sure you go over to Pho Huang. I don't know if they're open tomorrow either, but you should get some pho because it's delicious and tasty. Jilly likes the spicy pho.

Again, get the beef and get the plum chicken and get all of it, man. It's delicious. So stop by Pho Huang and get your Fa Huang on. And of course, don't forget our friend Richard with Metro Ready Mix. We haven't heard from in a while. I wonder what he's up to. But Metro Ready Mix for all your concrete needs in the Houston area. Metro Ready Mix. And there you go. So I'm going to have to get out of here because Luther's home now from daycare and Jilly is home from getting Luther at daycare. And if you guys want to throw in a couple of donuts here on the way out, you can, that's fine. If not, you can save them for tomorrow as it is a just miss Eve, just miss Eve tomorrow. So we will be on probably eight,

nine, somewhere in there. I need to do a better job of letting you guys know when that's going to be the case. But please, hang out with us tomorrow and get your booze ready for Jismas Eve. We're going to go watch some football now and eat some steaks that I got to throw on the grill and probably destroy. So anyway, you guys are great. I love you. And we will see you tomorrow.