The Josh Innes Show - JIS: Seth Payne

Episode Date: December 18, 2021

Josh Innes and Jilly talk with Seth Payne. Seth and Josh go deep on the radio rivalry. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This is the Josh Innes Show. Well, howdy everybody and welcome in to the Josh Innes Show. It is Josh and Jillian. Seth Payne is here, everybody. Hello, Seth. Hello, Jillian, Josh. I wish everybody could have just witnessed what we went through. Listen, we are the dumbest people on the planet when it comes to technology. I feel like such a dope. Well, we were at an event today, like doing the dumbest people on the planet when it comes to technology. Like, I feel like such a dope.

Well, we were at an event today, like doing the toy drive, and our promotions director goes, oh, do you guys have airdrop? And we're both like, what? I have no idea what the hell airdrop is. We're like 80. Basically what I'm doing. Just airdrop on your phones? Yeah, I guess.

I have no idea how to do any of it. Yeah, okay, you guys are pretty limited. Yes. I thought you did a good job of working through the issues we just had. No, I didn't. I did a dreadful job in working with the issues we just had. I have no idea what I'm doing. I'm dreadful. Open your beer.

Just open your beer. I've got to open my beer. I'm going to open my beer here. We're here now. Seth is here. We did it. Yeah, so we've solved something at least. You kept calm.

There's one thing I've learned in this era of Zoom. It's that if you stay calm, that's half the battle, and you'll get it eventually. Trust me, I was not very calm leading up to calling you because we got home at about 20 till 6. And I'm like, you know what? Or 7. And this is going to work because I said, you know what? We solved it last week. We're going to solve it this week, And life is going to be fine, right?

It wasn't. I got in here. I'm sitting here for 20 minutes. I can't figure it out. But here you are. You're joining us now. Seth Payne is here. Of course, Seth of Sports Radio 610 in Houston.

You've been there for about a decade close to now, right? It's been, gosh, yeah. Yeah, it has been a decade. No, it was 2013. So it's been almost yeah yeah it has been a decade now it's 2013 so it's been almost nine years coming up um i first started coming out with you and and rich in uh august or september of 2012 so yeah we're getting we're getting there we're getting close when you joined the station was there an idea that you were going to be there eventually full time or anything like that? I didn't really have a plan at that point.

I had been out of football for a few years, and I was trying to figure out what I wanted to do with my life. And I'd been going on the air in Houston for a little while with John Granato on Time 1560. And he kind of told me, you know you should consider doing this so i came down to houston and i just met with everybody and vandermeer sucked me into the whole texans radio thing and uh just over the course of a few months you know the the midday show opened up because brad davies left and that was it no i i kind of stumbled i josh i was it was it's like what i've done my entire life i don't ever ever really have a five-year plan. I just kind of see what opportunities are right in front of me, and I try to attack that, I guess, if that's the right word.

So now I've been here a decade. You gumped your way into the gig, basically. I did, yeah. I'm basically like a sexier Forrest Gump. Totally. I mean, just raw sex appeal. Yeah, totally. Uh, so you get there in 2012 and you did a lot of stuff with me and rich and we were like, you know, it just sounds pretty good. So when Brad rolls out, does Gavin go to you and say, Hey, you're the first guy

we're thinking of here. How did that whole process go? Yeah, I can't remember. I think it was, um, cause Ted Johnson and I were both doing the same thing we both started off part-time and i think ted what did ted uh ted ted ended up getting the afternoon show right around the same time i did or he did he got one first or i did well no you did you did because they moved ted whenever i left oh is that what it was yeah it was uh rich and ted and uh and sean was was doing the afternoons at the time because i left in december of 2013 okay yeah because you got we got there in a weird time because gavin spittle hired me yeah and you know gavin who's a big i don't know would you call him a mentor in your life totally gavin's yeah i love

him dearly i love him so we got there and gavin kind of recruited me and hired me and offered me the job um and and i took it and then he left like a week later so yeah i didn't react well to gavin leaving the second gavin left i just decided, hey, I'm going to leave too, and I'm going to just fuck shit up is what I'm going to do. And for that last year, first of all, I didn't like the new program director. I think he's kind of a doof anyway. And you were convinced that Gavin was going to take you with him. Oh, were you in the meeting when he said he was going to Dallas?

No, no. I was still ignorant of everything. You guys might have been on the air at the time. Oh, probably. So we're all in a meeting and it's him and Sarah Frazier and they say, Gavin is going to Dallas. And I'm like, fucking right. We're going to Dallas. So I meet him on the hall and I go, so when we leave and he goes, you're not fucking going. I'm like, son of a bitch. But fun fact in the middle of the summer that year, he did call me and he said, hey, we might have the midday opening.

Do you want to do it? I'm like, fuck you. I'm not doing middays. I rule. So I'm not going to do that. But he never offered it to me, like offered it. But he did throw that out there and say, hey, we have an opening here that you might be interested in.

And what's funny is the guys who eventually went on to do middays then moved into afternoons, not that much longer. And now they're doing, I think, afternoons on a rock station there in Dallas. But so who knows where life could have taken me? Midday's not bad at all, man. I mean, it's a nice schedule. Well, compared to what you've got now, I mean, what time do you get up? Do you still ride your bike to work no no no no i don't do any of that i've given up i've given up on a lot of things that i used to do i uh i've i've slowed down in a lot of ways in my life um no and i don't know i get off i get up at like 4 a.m or something but i was always an early riser the biggest but the hardest thing is is as you know is that if you've got to talk about stuff early in the morning that didn't finish until late at night, it puts you in a little bit of a crunch.

So that's the only thing that kind of messes with me sometimes. But, you know, Brandy's awesome. I get to nap whenever I want, and she takes care of everything else. So when you watch sports at night, like if it's a local one, I guess you have to watch it if it's important. That's kind of how I did it. But otherwise, I would fall asleep. Lopez, when he did mornings, I'm fairly certain he just watched SportsCenter while driving to work.

I don't know if I'd like to catch up on everything. He's got like a 45-minute drive. That's a big thing. Living close to the station makes a big difference and then you know when then obviously when we started doing shows remotely and everything during during covid then you realize man doing a morning show that's where it's at is working out of your home because you can just roll out of bed and start prepping uh but yeah i usually i try to be kind of responsible about when i get to bed so if if it's some, if it's a later game,

I'll usually either DVR it like, or in the NFL, I got game pass. So I wake up, I wake up at like 4. A.M. Watch either the condensed version of a game or, uh,

you know, just highlights and kind of go from there. So, uh, when you and Mike, you had a dust up on the air, you and Mike did, uh,

that was pretty Epic, right? Like, it's like, it felt like rage, like me and rich, you had a dust up on the air. You and Mike did. That was pretty epic, right? It felt like rage, like me and Rich. It was pent up. Not like you hated each other, but it's like a pent up rage where you don't say anything for months. And then one thing triggers you and it's a fucking meltdown. And it was beautiful. It was because I was badgering Mike about something. It was a really stupid disagreement.

I can't even remember what it is right now. No, no, you know what, Josh? This is like the geekiest pain and melter argument ever. This is the only time like geeky salary cap talk was good on our show. I'm embarrassed to even talk about this. We had a long running disagreement about the value of cap space that could be rolled over. Whether you should spend it, whether you,

whether you should spend it now, or if you don't spend it now, it's considered wasted forever. Yeah, it was like two CPAs arguing about something in the middle of a cafeteria. So, but, you know, like I said, Josh, between like the time you and I got into it and that one incident with Mike and then a couple other times I got in arguments with Mike, that was back when I just, I was way more argumentative and combative and I just would not let stuff

go. And I think I'd been kind of badgering him about stuff like that and just arguing stupid little points for a while. And you know, Mike is very just a good dude. And I think he'd try looking back on it. I think he'd tried to politely

tell me several times that it was, uh, that he didn't, he didn't like the way the show was going. So finally he just erupted and, um, told me I was unbearable 27 times. It was like,

cause he's not going to be like Mike. Um, Mike's more ornery if that's the right word now, like he's like less bullshit. He's less agreeable now like mike is like this weird level of like just no bullshit like there is no bulls and maybe it's because he's a lawyer i don't know he has no room for bullshit it's just like you're all fucking stupid fuck you like if it's a texans argument it's on twitter and they're like you know davis

mills isn't that bad mike will say yeah fuck you, fuck you. You're stupid. He sucks. I'm like, Whoa, who the fuck is this guy? Well, you know what it is? And I think, cause I've kind of watched that with Mike too, cause he's still the same person, you know, when, when you're, when you're talking to him. But I think when it comes to like the outward facing Mike, when you're in media, if you're doing a four-hour radio show like you can only you can only be so opinionated for so long before it just wears you down and it wears the audience down and and i think nationally it's different you know if you're doing first take or something that's a whole different deal but unless you're in the northeast i i think it just wears you down whereas if if you're basically you know doing most of most of your stuff on Twitter or in smaller bursts and segments,

I think you feel like you got to get it all out there all at once and like as strong and powerful as possible. So I don't I think Mike's the same guy. I think he's just realized, you know what, I'm going to be very poignant when I when I'm going to speak. I'm going to be very poignant about it. And he clearly is because there's no middle ground in any of his takes. There's no nuance. It's either just as nuance isn't fair. There's no, um, middle ground.

It's either this is fucking right. Or this is fucking wrong. And there's no room for arguing. And he'll even say that in some of his tweets. He'll go, Hey, guess what? I'm not going to argue with you. Cause you're stupid. That's awesome. People like that melter i think uh i miss i miss melter getting wired like melter

was at his best to me when he'd just get wired over dumb stuff like that's my favorite melter and now i think he made a considered effort to just say you know what i'm not gonna get angry about stuff and i think it came across i think you might have done the same thing at one point where it's like i think i'm getting too angry now i'm going to be angry about stuff. And I think it came across. I think you might've done the same thing at one point where it's like, I think I'm getting too angry. Now I'm going to be reserved. And part of that is what made the stuff fun was getting angry, like over nothing.

That's the problem though, is because I know I like people always thought Mike and I staged that stuff and we didn't at all. Like, and it's, and it's, it's taxing. Like,

that's just how Mike and I, I think in Mike and and i especially together we wouldn't get in that many arguments with each other but i think we're just naturally we could get worked up about stuff about ridiculously stupid stuff and we kind of we've kind of fed off of that with each other and we weren't usually arguing with each other but we might be going off about something and it was it was real and it was genuine it was just too much like and and like somewhere along the way it was a it was a combination of um when you and i got into our uh our argument our kerfuffle it was it was that incident with melter and then just a few other things where all of a sudden i just realized like what am i how am i living my life like what do I want to be? Like, I'm trying to be like a, like a nonviolent Tony Soprano or

something. And nothing good comes of it other than making a caricature of myself. So I just kind of decided one day, you know what, I'm just, I'm not going to get angry anymore. And, and it wasn't quite that simple, but in a way it was. And cause I kind of had to figure some things out and read a bunch of books and, and learn a lot about myself to do it. But I thought, all right, I can't, I can't keep doing radio as much as I love radio. I can't keep doing it if this is the way I'm going to do it. So I'm just going to, I'm going to change. And I think it was probably for the better because i the whole landscape has changed like hot takes are out laid back podcasts are in and it's it's probably for everybody's best interests yeah but i kind of miss uh people being a little bit more angsty and not necessarily hot

takes but being a little angrier and like because sometimes it feels like not just in your case but like melzer and other people it feels like people are trying so hard to be reserved so as to not have that outlandish take that people criticize. And why, and I'm not saying you're holding back or you're not saying what you truly believe, but I think sometimes people get caught up in social and they get caught up in texts and tweets and they, they're just like, if I get angry, they're going to rip me and I'm going to get blasted. So I'm going to deliberately kind of like just not really let loose and then it almost sounds like some weird antidepressant type of radio like where you're like zenned out and it's very weird or you're too cool to get angry and uh like it's either that it's either a snobbish pacifism or it's a

zen pacifism but i you know it's funny josh i was just thinking about this because i've been watching uh i've been working my way back through the sopranos and it is true like you go you go to the year 2003 2004 and every kid in new jersey thought he was tony soprano and you better not insult me or you better respect me or i'm gonna kick your ass to now it's like 20 years later oh my gosh you got angry over something said to you somebody something somebody said to you uh like they went from idol idolizing tony soprano to idolizing dave portnoy and it's uh i don't know which is better uh it's probably less violent to idolize dave portnoy but it's um it's probably less violent to idolize Dave Portnoy, but it's, um, it's definitely like people are, it's, it's almost a sign of weakness now to get angry when 20, 30 years ago. And in perpetuity before that, if somebody disrespected you, that was like, they were

testing your manhood. No, totally. And when I worked in Philly, that's what everything was, was people testing your manhood. Everybody wanted to fight you. Like that was like, there was no words. Nobody used their words like a big boy. It was just, all right, we're going to fucking fight. Like, like that wasn't my first kerfuffle.

You and I like in Philly, they all wanted to fight listeners, other hosts, people at the radio station. And like that, like I was confronted multiple times, one point in the office by this meathead who thinks he's in the Sopranos. He comes up to me, heard something I said on the radio about him and like he gave me this psychotic look like oh you said something about me on the radio huh and then the thing that's interesting about that is nothing happened I sat there he did his little thing and he walked out he gets on the radio and says I peed my pants then that became the thing with these morons in Philly was oh you peed your

pants when the cuz approached you in the office you pussy like that didn't happen how could you believe that like you are fucking dumb people but Philly people's minds it wasn't just like the saying it wasn't the expression oh he peed his pants like they legit thought that you had pissed yourself that that's how they operate there though like they truly believe that yeah that's a rough one that's a that's he and that's hard to in today's age you're supposed to not get angry about that josh but i and i guess like i say that that's the way things have changed right in the northeast it's still like that right like that hasn't changed at all people are still very angry people there but that kind of leads into what what happened with us was when i was in philly

that was the abrasive style. It was, you know, we're fighting the other station. Radio wars. It was radio wars, and I'm out there wanting to kick this guy's ass, and you're talking big bravado on the air, and the guy I'm competing against is this 60-something-year-old 5'9 Italian guy that wants to fight everybody. And, like, we had an inadvertent altercation at a Philadelphia Eagles practice. I walk up to a guy and start conversing with him. I have no idea that he was talking with my competition just standing there because I never met the guy. So then like he goes, you know who this is, right? And I go,

oh shit, that's Mike Missanelli, my competition. And this guy was looking at me like I was the fucking devil and he wanted to fight. And he goes, you know what? I bet you wouldn't say any of that shit you say on the air to my face. And I looked at him and I looked down at him and he's like five foot 10, nine maybe. And I go, I think your show fucking sucks. Right. That's what I told him. And then I walked in and we did the way, but the media in Philadelphia covered it as Josh Ennis backs down from fight for Mike Missanelli. I was like, he's a 60 something year old five foot 10 lesbian looking fella. If I fight him and lose, I'm the worst. If I fight him and beat him up, I was supposed to beat him up. He's a five foot 10 lesbian looking guy. Like what was

I supposed to do? So it was a no win, but they make it sound like he wanted to fight me. He didn't say a fucking thing. He was nervous. I could see it in his eyes. He probably didn't realize I'm six foot three and fat and look more imposing than I am. You're brawnier. You've got broad shoulders. You put yourself down, but you've got a big frame.

You should see me in the gym now, at the boxing gym at nine round. I'm out there roundhousing and shit. Really? Are you? Well, i'm trying i mean i appreciate that i like to laugh so but this give you like an idea of where my mind was at and where my head was at when i was in houston because i said well this worked in philly and this was our shtick in philly so i'm gonna go into houston and carry that on that's the last thing i'd done the The last thing I'd learned from a boss. And he said, when you get there, just go

out there and be abrasive. And like from the jump, I was abrasive when I came back to Houston, I was shitting on Sean and Rich cause they were on in the afternoon. Then you guys, I moved to mornings. I was shitting on you guys. Like that was just what I thought I needed to do to kind of make the market more interesting. Right? Like, cause it's not an interesting radio market. It's a boring radio market. And I wanted to give it like that wrestling type of excitement. And that was my idea to bring attention to sports radio. And it, and you know, like the rule book and radio is if you're the, if you're the bigger

station, you're supposed to not acknowledge like somebody when they're, when they're trying to call you out, because then it's the old thing. Like if, okay, if, if we've got, I don't know, and remember what the numbers were when you came in or whatever, but if we've got three times as many listeners as you do, and some, a lot of my listeners don't think anything of you, but all of a sudden I start talking about you, then I might lose 10% of my listeners to you. Whereas you, yeah, you losing 10% of my listeners to you. Whereas you, yeah, you losing 10% of your listeners to me doesn't matter because you already got 10% like a bigger number down. So like the

math says not to mess with it. But meanwhile, like in the age of social media, it's like, it's hard to ignore. So I know that, I know that my former friend, Josh Innes is talking shit about me on the radio and, and it was hard. Uh, like that part of it was difficult for me because I knew it was business and I tried not to take it personally, but it is also, there's that part of me that's like, all right, man, like I, like, I know what, I know what radio is like up there and I know how it's been in Houston at times, but I just didn't want any part of that. And I was just trying to ignore it as much as I could. But like that week leading up to the Super Bowl, I like people kept people kept like texting us or DMing me on Twitter and saying like, hey, Josh is going to mess with you

guys at the radio row. Just want to let you know. So I'm like, I've got the whole week. I'm like, oh, crap, man. I don't want to deal with this crap. And I guess I was a little bit I, the pump was primed going into that Super Bowl. Well, and you were also, from your own admission here, you were kind of in a negative headspace mentally anyway from the sounds of it. Oh, yeah, yeah.

I mean, there was that part of, yeah. And then here comes Josh. Well, no. So, yeah, we should know because we've never talked about this. I remember the first time I saw you after we got into it at the Minneapolis Super Bowl was the next year at the Atlanta Super Bowl when we all flew home on the same Southwest flight. That was delayed many hours. That was, yeah, that's a whole other story. So we can get to the Super Bowl in Minneapolis.

I guess, yeah, tell me from your perspective how all that went down because it's kind of a foggy blur to me. Well, there was animosity leading up to it for sure, as you mentioned, because I remember being at the media party the night before, actually, and I remember Meltzer came up and talked to us, and he's like, you don't want us to have anybody else. This is just us. And I think we had secret plans to go to dinner with Rich Lord,

but he's like, don't tell anybody else. You can't say I'm doing this. Don't tell anyone. So there was already kind of that animosity. I think we saw you, and everyone's like, don't make eye contact, don't say anything, don't start shit. Let's just. And by the way, I started.

It kind of started that night, I feel like. People think, see, this is the thing. I very much think i think mike always because mike has said stuff like this before like when uh sometimes like when my friend drew hodgson who played with the texans he's a big guy uh got drunk out with mike one night and then a couple times when i was out drunk with mike one night he keeps saying things like i just i don't know how i would control you if things got out of control and And I think, I think that's what it was like. How are you going to control a 200 pound guy if it gets out of control?

I honestly think you're right. Now that you say that, I think he was just so scared. He was going to have to like step in the middle at this media party. This was what, the Tuesday, right? Because the actual incident was on Wednesday, right? The next day. Yeah. So yeah, this was the Tuesday night.

And I remember like Mike just being like, I'll say hi to you, but I'm not going to stay here really long. You know, Mike, he starts to get all nervous and talks fast and you know, you know, melts. So yeah. So then the next day we're doing the way they had Radio Row set up in Minneapolis was absurd. We were in

the middle of Mall of America. The fact that it was at the food court makes it even better. This whole story is made even better. Like it'd be one thing if it were just like in a warehouse somewhere but instead there's a roller coaster and a sabaro and us in the middle of radio row in gawking fat midwestern people like looking at you like you're zoo animals and slowly the the patriots fans were starting to filter in you know so they would just stand at the ropes and watch but yeah it was and it was all compressed it was it was packed in like we were like rats in a cage so it was very tense and very hot and very weird and um but that day

because it was early in the week i think there still weren't necessarily a lot of people there yet and but but jim mudd came over while we were in the middle of our uh your so your producer Jim Mudd and our our mutual friend Jim Mudd came over and said hi like while we're on our show but I like I like I knew your guys shenanigans well that's the thing is we did it the year before that and when we were on in the afternoon and we screwed around with Ted. Now, Ted is not one to be trifled with because Rich kind of laughed at us, and he goes, oh, dummies, go away. Ted wants to fight. He's like, I know that you wouldn't hit me because I know you.

Ted may. That's why I was like, maybe I won't fuck with Ted because I think he would hit me. You, I kind of knew that that wouldn't be the case. So it was kind of a safe play on my part. It sure came close. Let's rewind a little bit then. So we're there. So we're on the air, and it's a Wednesday, and nothing's fucking happening there.

Like Conrad Dobler didn't hop over that day. He might have been dead by then. Is he dead? I don't know. But like Merrill Hodge wasn't rolling around pimping a book at this point at 7 in the morning on a Wednesday. So we had nothing going on, really, right? So I'm like, all right, go over there. Do what we did last year.

Like, Jim, dude has balls of steel, right? He does. So Jim the year before put on the asswiler can, and he would sit down at other people's broadcasts and not tell them anything. Just sit down and grab microphones and start talking. And he almost got kicked out that year. So it was wild. He did it as Ditka, if you recall. He did. He dressed as Mike Ditka and walked around in Houston and just sat down on people's shows

and they would start talking with him because he looked like Mike Ditka. So I send him over to you and I go, let's see what those dopes are talking about today. I want to see what's going on. In no way did I think you'd respond or anything would come of it. It was really just a play for filling time. It was a theater of the mind play because it sounds bigger on the radio to say, hey, let's go fuck with their broadcast because we're not really doing anything. Jim walks over, he stands there, he knows you guys. So he walks over there, he stands there, he gets shooed off and that's it. But it sounds like we're doing something like we shouldn't

do like oh we're gonna go infiltrate their shit it's a theater of the mind play so jim goes over he puts a phone because we they didn't give us a wireless mic for this trip so the phone was to listen to you guys on the phone so we could hear it on the air so jim goes over does that and ryan mccred and the pd kind of shoes him off. And you all shoe him off. And as he's walking away, that's when things turn from okay to shenanigans with two dopes to, hey, Jim Mudd, come back over here for a second. That was from Seth Payne. And I think all of us, you and I looked at each other like, oh. Oh, shit.

As you said, Seth, we're like, they're never going to acknowledge us. 610 is the bigger station at the time. oh he did acknowledge us now what and then he called then all i remember is you say and jim you've let yourself go you're like basically you're like you're so fat and i'm like shit's going down now now it's on i did you did you called him fat you go jim you've really let yourself go jim. Oh, no. Oh, that's messed up. Did I apologize? I don't know. You may have.

So, Jim, you called Jim back over. I'm going to apologize. I'm going to text him right now and apologize. My God. So, let's go back to that moment then. So, you called Jim Mudd back over. What is going through your mind when you say, no, Jim, come back over? Is this just a boiling point?

Have you lost? What happened? Yeah, I was just angry. And it was because I was thinking about that earlier. I was like, how would I explain exactly what happened there? Because, yeah, Jilly, you're exactly right. Like, the strategy would have been like, all right, whatever. Just dismiss this. It's no big deal.

And it's, you know, I don't want to add any air to this uh more than it needs to be but i just kind of i just kind of snapped it's that it's like like we talked about earlier that's that old school like wait a second you're not gonna come over and mess with my show like while we're on air and you know oh no you don't not not next to my minneapolis is my town so I so I that's all I was saying is I kind of just uh I just kind of snapped and I think I in my mind it was because I had heard the story from a year earlier when you had gone up and put the microphone in

Ted Johnson's face and I'm just like man like it goes back to like a junior high mentality of I'm not going to get punked here like I'm not going to get punked and that's the hardest thing in the world is like by the radio rule book I got punked by acknowledging you because that's

exactly what would have been good for you and it was a truth be told there's entertaining radio um truth be told you guys got the better radio because you guys were actually on microphones i could only vaguely hear you through a phone so you guys kind of won that so so what happens then is so you call jim over and you've kind of snapped and you're going off i don't remember all the shit you said to him but you're going off and you're basically calling me names and everything and then the moment that really changes everything happens this is where the 30 for 30 starts you stand because i was saying i was saying tell josh to come here right yes my entire says talk to my face and all that stuff and that would have have been fine. But then you stood up and looked over

and did the look around your Hulk Hogan thing and go, it's too much of a bitch to come talk to me. And in that moment, I've got a choice. It's like the game of life. You're either going to go to college or you're going to go straight to your career.

It's the game of life. And you have a choice to make. And that choice is I sit here and I'm a complete pussy. I lose. I've talked all this shit about these guys. I can either sit here. I can sit here and go, nope, I'm not going over there. Or I did what I did, which is I got up and I said, Jilly, I'm going over there.

I'm going to go see what he wants. Because I knew in my mind there were two things. One, I thought, holy shit, this is going to be fantastic no matter what happens. And two, if I don't go over there, whatever reputation I have is fucked. And again, Seth made it very clear he was looking at you. And of course, there was like probably six, seven tables in between us. So that's when the room started paying attention. Because you got a little loud and I'm like, oh boy, well, it's on.

And then you storm over there and that's when people really started being like, oh. So I grabbed a cell phone and I called the hotline, I guess. And I go, we're going on, guys. And I go over there and I'm literally shaking at this point. Like it's adrenaline. I know that your boy Landry was like, what a chicken shit. He was scared. Well, in real talk, yeah.

Because you're a football player and you're pissed off and i might get punched in the face but also because there's that adrenaline you know that like yeah it's this moment and you're shaking yeah yeah that it doesn't matter who you are like before a like a confrontation like that you get that you get those shakes yeah oh god and i was and my hand was shaking and that was used against me like oh he was scared but i was revved man i was like revved up and like i and i knew all eyes were on us and i knew it's it's good radio i knew i could get hit i i thought almost 100 i wouldn't like because i know like even now we're sitting here laughing because we're buddies and i've known you so even though like you're pissed at me i I don't think you're going to punch me.

So I feel like it's a safe play to go over there. But I wouldn't have thought it would have became what it became. And I don't remember all the shit you said to me. You just berated me. And I just stood there and kind of took it. And that's why everybody else thought I was kind of a bitch too. But I sat there and you just yelled and yelled. And I don't know how it ended.

My favorite line was the Gulf Coast coast radio crap oh yes i believe it says oh you're gonna go over there on your gist network with your gulf coast radio crap so good wait was that wait was that when you were doing new orleans yeah yeah honestly like i kind of i basically i i didn't i haven't watched youtube of it or anything like since then i just wanted to i wanted to move beyond it because it was it was it wasn't something i was proud of it wasn't something that like i i planned out a few people in radio texted me afterwards that were like you know like hey you just you did exactly what he wanted you to do and i'm like yeah i know but i also like i also like this this isn't my uh like i've i was okay with it i wish i hadn't done it quite like that but i did feel like there was a kind of a there's a part of me that i i'm not i didn't want to do stuff

or like you know play that game of having a having a grudge with somebody and it being just business like it's still like it it hurt me when i heard you say stuff about me even though i knew that it was just for radio like that stuff all like hurt me so like i i felt like all right at the very least i'll get it out there um but i think like i remember afterwards you talk about shaking like after that show i felt very very like conspicuous you know because from that moment on for the next for the next two days there that was the buzz on radio row and they were playing it on espn and i i you know people like uh mike francesco were talking about how clowns how clownish we were well i don't know if you remember this. Right after that happened, they put us on WEEI in Boston.

Yeah, right. And we're both just sitting there. Yeah, and I'm like, what the fuck is going on here? Like, all of a sudden, we're the story. If that would have happened on a Friday, probably wouldn't have been a story. But it was a Wednesday, and nothing else was going on, and that became the story.

And we're everywhere. I remember I was getting calls from other radio stations to be a guest. My boss wouldn't let me do it. Then the local news in Minneapolis put me on. And I cut a fucking wrestling promo. It was live on TV. And I'm like, let me tell you. He's like, Josh Ennis from 790 in Houston.

How did this all go down? Or it was Josh Ennis, Radio Row fight guy. And they're like, how did this all go down? I'm like, well, let me tell you something. That bitch wanted to challenge me to a fight, and I ain't no bitch. I'm like cutting the best – On the local news. Like Ric Flair promo over here.

I'm like throwing up the four horsemen and shit, you know? You know what? That explains a couple things. I wish I could find it here right now. I'm not going to – it would take too long. I'd get too distracted. But I've saved this message. I was getting all kinds of crap from

people in Philly, which I understood. Some people in Houston, which I understood, like loyal listeners of yours. But there was this one random guy from Minnesota that DM'd me and it was like anytime, anywhere, champ. And he was like, it tells me to Like, and you know, you know, in those DMS,

like whenever you get one of those DMS in social media, they're just waiting for you to like respond. They're going to delete their message, take a screenshot and go. So I was just like, Hey man, like you seem kind of angry, bud. What's up? And he never responded. But the crazy thing is the guy guy owns some carpet dealership up in Minneapolis. Oh, shit. And he never deleted the message or anything.

But your promo was so good that it worked him to the point of wanting to challenge me to a fight. Oh, shit. So what does your boss tell you after all this goes down? Because mine called me, and they're like, the world is fucking ending because we got kicked off a radio row. But not because of that, strangely enough. Well, actually, Scott A. in the chat brings up a good question. Did anyone from the NFL come up to you guys after that? Because they came up to us.

They came up to you guys. I think the big difference was because you guys had kind of gotten there on a temporary permit. We spotted. Yeah, the way it was related to me was that they were, the NFL security people or whoever was in charge was like, okay, well, apparently they came over into your area. I didn't talk to anybody, but they came over into our area and they were there on a temporary permit. And I'm guessing the big difference was that we had paid more money

than you guys. You say temporary permit. That's very generous. We literally just took someone's table. Yeah, because we didn't know that either. We didn't know it. So what happened was they sent us last minute because Mattress Mac wanted to send some for Harvey's first responder people and stuff and heroes of Harvey to the Super Bowl. And so we all had to hurry up and turn things around and get a flight and everything.

So basically what it was was we had media passes, but we had to be at someone else's table, like some random radio station. So, yes, it was kind of a temporary thing. The idea was that I got tossed, I got us all thrown out because of this fight, and it was all because of that. Even you, who, like, you and I have never discussed this before in this. Even you are saying that somebody from the NFL or someone relayed to you that we were there basically on a temporary badge essentially and because of that scene they just kicked us out you know because we weren't supposed to be there you guys didn't get kicked out we did no and it was because of the fact that we weren't supposed to be there anyway squatters

we were squatters yeah yeah you were causing a ruckus i what can you tell that to the rest of our air staff because they did not oh they went on air and like they were rooting for you like they're only this josh ennis we all hate him you would thought it was your station nope it was my whole station and they hated me and they got on the air and wanted to fight me one guy in particular tried to fight jilly in the lobby of the hotel and i knew it was serious because we were doing our show from perkins the next morning and they gave us all these muffins to bring back and we saw the rest of our air staff

after our show and I was like, you guys want some muffins? And they're like, fuck no. We don't want your fucking muffins. Okay. Sorry.

But that's, I mean, but you know, Josh, like, it's kind of like, like Howard Stern back in the day was despised by a lot of people just because he was so good at, he was so good at, he was so good at ruffling people's feathers.

So like in that instance, like you, for the same reason that I flipped out on you on, on radio row, it was after you had been doing like what you viewed as a job, which was, you know, just saying, saying either controversial or just things that irk people or what have you. Like, I got more people take that personally than don't take it personally, I suppose. Of course. And me and Jim knew that. You know that's the price.

And we knew that. Like, I knew going into it that I was probably going to sever relationships with you or with Meltzer. I mean, it took a long time for me and Meltzer to become buddies again. Like, he would have people saying, don't be friends with that fucking guy.

He's an asshole. And I wouldn't blame him for that. But like in my mindset, it was, I've got this big job and I'm trying to keep this big job and I want to win and I want to make it interesting. So I turned it into wrestling and I would just talk shit about everybody. And that was kind of the bit. And I didn't feel good doing it, but I felt it was what I had to do. So I justified it that way.

Well, there were two things about that. There's one, because I know, so afterwards, I know one of the things that you did, either as a bit to mess with Mike and I or just whatever, somehow there was a story going around that you and I had planned it all. I had never said that. People thought, yeah, they really thought that happened. And I said, I'm not clever enough to have come up. Every good thing I've ever done was not planned.

Anything that was popular or famous, I don't plan shit. When I plan it, it's awful. That was truly not that way. I couldn't have imagined it being any better. I'm not Andy Kaufman. The other thing was, because I remember, you know what it was? It was Bill Simmons said that. I was listening to the Bill.

I used to listen to Bill Simmons, and I was listening to his podcast, and he said something about how, like, well, and it was all staged or something. I was like, you smarmy little cunt. What the fuck? Someone that would clearly have no idea because it literally happened in the moment. If I would have never sent him over there, nothing would have ever happened, yet someone so definitively

like a Bill Simmons knows for a fact. And I believe, honestly, we think people who thought it was fake. I truly believe that started within 790 because as Brittany in the chat points out, oh, you fucked over your colleagues to advance your own career. We didn't, it wasn't a plan to fuck over our colleagues. Like, we didn't go to Super Bowl Radio Row

intending to get kicked out and get the station kicked off Radio Row, which again, we didn't get the station kicked off. Yeah. It was just- We could not have made that up. And by the way, the year before that, when we did all the stuff with the ass,

Weiler, Kan, and Jim in Houston, they all loved it and they said, we're brilliant. And then the next year they hate me and they said I'm all the stuff with the ass, Weiler can and Jim and Houston, they all loved it. And they said, we're brilliant. And then the next year they hate me. And they said, I'm the worst guy. I mean, I almost got fired. They really thought that Josh did that just to screw them personally, which is really funny.

Yes. Well, that the other part of it, when you brought up the wrestling was, there was a part of me afterwards. It was like, man, you know, like everything you said about Philly radio is true or Boston radio or a lot of those places where the, like the half the entertainment becomes the drama between the stations at times at least. And cause people love that stuff. And even if they, they claim they don't love it, they love it. Like they listen. And there was a part of me that was like, you know

what? I should just go with this. Like I I should just have like a mafia-style meeting with Josh where we agree to like leave families out of it. You know, we'll agree to some ground rules, and then we'll just have at it. And it probably would have been great for both of us, but like I said, I just can't go there. I can't separate the two the way some people can. I can't really either.

Like, I don't like doing fake stuff. I was able to program myself to hate you guys and say, that's my competition. I got to do it. I don't want to do fake shit either. But I'm in the middle of ripping you guys or making fun of you. And I'm like, I feel bad because these are my buddies. But I'm also trying to beat them.

That is the competition. What did McClane say? McClane was the star of that whole picture. He's got a couple of the best GIFs on Twitter from that. He doesn't even appreciate it. He doesn't appreciate me for that. He doesn't at all. He said it was the most unprofessional thing he'd ever been involved in.

Just one thing. John, I made you on twitter right there people people people think it's because things are pathetic but it's from your gift man just one thank you is all i want from you you son of a bitch just one time i put you over great wrestling turn Look at you wrestling. I'm with Sean Pendergast now. He's a, he's a wrestling guy.

See, totally. I'm getting all that stuff. So you were going to say something before I interrupted you with that. I think it was something you were going to reference something I said. Oh, well with McLean, I mean,

McLean got up and walked out midway through. I remember that. Um, I, I remember that Damon, Damon Amendolaura, that poor guy, who does a solo show or he was at the time, he was right behind us.

He could not continue doing his own show because you and I were standing right in front of him within two feet of his microphone. I think he just started doing play by play on our on our argument well while he was on it i think a lot of people owe us a thank you for providing

content on a day where nothing was happening yeah i know you know what the one thing i regret about that because you are like a dyed in the wool you know you grew up you know with radio in your blood i you had mentioned that we had the good audio of it i i felt bad that when you and i made the howard stern show that it was like that my voice came through a lot more clearly like it was a lot more both our names got mentioned but you could hear me a lot better just because i was on microphone and you were you're standing a little bit away from that you stole my fucking moment this was my one thing brandy's a huge howard stern fan though too so she like she really enjoyed that part of it but yeah we're famous it's

like the time that paul gallant made it on tucker carlson dude paul tonight was just on with some hot like i'm not conservative i'm like middle of the road media person he was almost some hot chick tonight like i think he conservative i'm like middle of the road media person he was on with some hot chick tonight like i think he's gone full-on like a conservative radio guy look at him career shift uh i don't know if he's well that's i think he's gonna be i think he's doing political talk radio where i i don't nobody wants to label themselves necessarily right now um for good reason but i don't i think i don't i don't know if. But I don't know if I call him conservative talk radio. I haven't listened to him enough to know.

I just want to bust his balls over. But, yeah, so I think he's doing something like a fill-in in Kansas City. But tonight he's on with this hot chick that I've never heard of before. I guess she's famous. I don't know who any of these people are. But he was on with this hot chick. Her name's Ivory Hecker. And I click on the link, and it's, there's Paul wearing like a Hawaiian shirt.

And the headline is Paul survived Antifa. Like, I guess you got to ride it. I guess. Ivory Hecker is the independent journalist who left Fox to expose media corruption. That's on her profile. I need to get on her podcast. Isn't she the one that had a big release? Is she the one that left well on air to say that she was going to expose the media corruption?

I think so. Yeah, I think that's who that is. Yeah, I think she was. Yeah, she's got a video of Gallant escaping Seattle's tyranny and moving to Texas. Like, I love the exaggeration of that. I think she's a little bit conservative, Josh. A hair. Just a scoach.

Well, hey, how do you handle that? Okay, so when you're doing rock DJ stuff, and I know I've heard you. And that's what I do. I do rock DJ stuff now. That's me. It's better than Gulf Coast radio crap you're like what are you doing now rock DJ stuff brother bring it on

no no no but like I'm trying to think like different formats you know I don't know the radio lingo but you're on a rock station now but you still talk about a lot of different stuff so when you do you like do you try to kick it old school and take shots at politicians like they're all open game or do you

have to like toe the line and be careful about pissing off the wrong people and everything? I still take shots at people and my boss actually thinks I could do it more. Like Jilly the other day told me that I've gone soft. She goes, yeah, you don't sound like yourself anymore. You're kind of a pussy now on the radio

and I'm like, well, I've been fired a couple times and yeah, say that when we're living in a box because i got fired again i mean your competition here is a jack fm which is all music there's not another morning show for him to go after so i think i think he's a little lost i well i go to the sports dopes here some too but they're not even really competition because we beat the shit out of them well um no because i heard you talk you made a joke about biden or you're doing a bit about biden this morning right um and i was like i was thinking about it i was listening to it and i'm like that sounds like back you know back in previous decades that sounds like the kind of

stuff that you would have heard on late night television and they would have done it about a republican or a democrat like it just would have been it wouldn't have been a statement of where you stand or anything. It would have been like, Oh, here's a, here's a politician. They're all goofy. They're all frauds on both sides of the aisle.

Not all of them, you know, for the most part, they've all got a little fraud to them. Yeah. Like it, it sounded like that kind of, it didn't sound like there was animus behind it.

Oh no, I hate, I do hate Joe Biden for what it's worth, but I do, but it's like i'm i rip try i make fun of everybody which i think you should uh nobody really does that anymore and that's the problem like when you talk about late night tv and shit like that you don't really get that anymore from people so what are you gonna do i guess but anyway so uh for so you're doing

well mentally now everything's good you've read've read books. Yeah. Read books. I stopped drinking for, like, nine months. And not to be, like, I didn't expect it to be a permanent thing. But it was really cool because I kind of learned with some, I got some perspective on how alcohol had been affecting me. Like, the day we got into it, I'd been drinking the night before. Well, so had I. Who hadn't?

It was all free. Well, but the thing is, I realized, like, I'd been drinking the night before. Well, so had I. Who hadn't? It was all free. But the thing is, I realized I don't get hung over. I get really moody and grumpy the next day. Me too! That's kind of the same for me. I gotta be careful about that. I try not to drink at night if I have anything. If there's any situation

where somebody might be approaching me with a surreptitious microphone at the behest of uh at the behest of josh henness i don't drink the night before no so you don't drink much anymore though i do i do but like i even like even before this show i had a couple glasses of wine with dinner and oh my god i'm getting kind of heavy tongtongued. I'm going to back off until I go on with Josh later. Because it's – you know what it is, Josh? I'm middle-aged.

I'm 46 years old. I don't process it as well as I used to. Well, if you'd like to do a shot with us, you're more than welcome. We do virtual shots or, you know, artistic shots. I'm not allowed to keep hard liquor in the house anymore. I don't allow myself because it's too easy. Whatever I drink, I drink at the same pace. So if I have 12 ounces of whiskey or 12 ounces of beer,

they go down at the same pace. That's flat shot. Exactly, and that's why every time we do this damn twitch on a Friday night, I get hammered in like 10 minutes. Because it doesn't matter if it's a 10% alcohol beer, if it's a Miller Lite, or if it's a giant glass of vodka. Wine gets you real bad. Wine. Like, wine fucks me beyond belief.

Because you do chug wine like it's a Miller Lite. But there's something, um, I always thought it was BS. But, yeah, I never realized, like, that there is a difference to different types of alcohol and the drunks you get from them. And it's all kind of individual. Were you there for Gavin's wedding or no? No, I wasn't. But were you there for his divorce? No.

So Gavin's wedding, it was at Zaza. And I got hammered on wine in like 10 minutes. And not just hammered, but like don't remember the party. Almost fell into the pool. Almost fell into the pool, almost fell into the pool. And, and I fought, I tried to fight Meltzer because I quote accused him of quote, trying to fuck Jilly. No, not trying.

You said that I fucked Meltzer. Did you Jilly? No. And that's what's great is like, this was only like i think josh and i had been maybe officially dating for like a month maybe so at that point i'm like oh fuck like that's how this is going you didn't ask to go get a tattoo of your name out on the way home right you guys are riding we didn't even go home together i think someone sent you home in an u, and then I went out with the rest of the hot staff, and we did karaoke. Well, the thing is, so I was with Greg Cook that night, and I'm fairly certain Greg Cook could drink a barrel of whatever booze and not be impacted by it.

So he's chugging wine. I'm like, gulp, gulp, gulp. And at the time, I was only like 260. Like, I had lost a lot of weight. So, like, I got, like, just fucked. Wine really kicks my ass, man. Like it beats the shit out of me on a regular basis.

I remember we were sitting, I was sitting by the bathroom and I was waiting for, I think Denise was in the bathroom. So I was waiting outside and you just come up to me, stumble up to me and go, you fucked Meltzer, you bitch. And I'm like,

what? And Meltzer, this is back in like really docile Meltzer. He's like, I don't know what I'm doing here. I don't know. What is happening here? I don't know.

I'm a mess. This is a mess. What the hell? You know what, though? That's a sign that you really loved her. That you're on your way to loving her. And somehow here we are 11 years later. The same thing happened to me with one of my good friends in college.

He'd been, I'd been away for like a semester and I came back and he'd started dating this girl while I was gone. So the first time I saw him, I went to, I went over to his house with a few friends to have some drinks and his girlfriend was there. And like, she was gorgeous. She was just like this incredibly gorgeous woman. So, you know, we're're all we're all pretty drunk to begin with and we had a few more drinks and like she left she left to go do something in the kitchen and i was like hey man like dude she is really really pretty like good that's freaking awesome dude that's like she's freaking hot and and i don't think i went any further than that it wasn't

like i was drooling or lusting after her with my eyes or anything. And he like, like 20 minutes later, I'm going to the bathroom and like out of nowhere, he like comes out of the shadows and pins me up against the wall. What the fuck are you talking about? My girlfriend like that. Dude,

dude, what, what are you talking about, man? He kind of, he kind of snapped out of it he's like i i don't know i'm sorry man i'm sorry man i'm sorry and he ended up being with her for like four years he just felt that strongly about her he was gonna he was gonna he was going to just absolutely slaughter any threat to that relationship oh that's spectacular

i know you you gotta run but i don't have to run oh fuck it then let's hang out everybody let's do shots um who's the most uh who's the most random person who reached out to you after the radio row thing you're like why the like this is a random one oh boy that's a good question a lot of you know what i heard from a lot of people that i hadn't heard from from years because it made national news so it was i guess maybe the most random one was my mom just because i had to explain the whole deal to her so that was that was kind of random um i'll tell you a so when we were um at that night so that would be a tuesday night we're all searching for a place to do the show the next day and my boss calls me and we were at me and jim and jilly were at that night, so that would be a Tuesday night, we're all searching for a place to do the show the next day.

And my boss calls me and we were at me and Jim and Jilly were at this pizza place, some thin crust pizza joint somewhere. And you know it was a stressful day because Jim Mudd was drinking like tall mugs of Miller Light. And he does not drink. Not much. Jim probably pounded three, four beers of those. And he goes, so what Jim does is he's like, I'm worried, whatever.

So my boss calls and I have to walk out of the restaurant. It's like 10 degrees outside. I'm standing outside on the phone with my boss and he's just like, everybody's pissed and you got to apologize to people. And what's funny about that is his main concern was the sponsor was going to be pissed, right? Mattress Matt was going to be pissed. He was our sponsor. Mattress Matt called me maybe an hour after all this went down, we're walking into the hotel. And as we're walking into our hotel towards our room, I get a call it's mattress

Mac. All right. And keep in mind, everybody had been texting me. Mac's going to be pissed. We're going to, he's going to pull out. This is gonna be terrible. Mac is on the phone. I say, hello. He goes, Hey Josh. I go, yeah, Mac. what's up? He goes, you get kicked off Radio Row? I said, yeah. You trying to fight that guy? I said, I guess. Yeah, he goes, man, that's great, man. No press is bad press. Alright, see you later. And I'm like,

okay, fine with me. I mean, like, everybody else was so afraid, and the guy spending the money was like, this is fucking fantastic. No press is bad press. I think that's, I guess that might be a little bit of a difference too. Maybe when it comes to radio between some cities and some regions of the country versus in the South or in the Midwest is that you, you do always like sponsors. Sponsors have different tolerances for stuff like that.

And some just don't want to be associated with controversy, whereas in other places they're – I guess Mattress Mac obviously is kind of unique in Houston in a lot of ways, but I don't know if every sponsor feels that way. Yeah, they don't. It's just Mac. Mac has just – But Mac is also very smart, and that's why I think he gets it.

Brilliant marketer. He's just brilliant, and he's awesome. Look at how, like, honestly, I get frustrated whenever they cover one of the huge bets he makes. Like, outside of Houston, they never mention that it's part of a mattress promotion. He's just presented as, like, this wild, crazy Yosemite stand. Like, yeah! Did you guys ever hear about how we got to the World Series? So this was 2017.

And one day I had an idea. I had like an extra pair of tickets for the World Series. And I was like, let's find a way to give this away. So my boss calls. And my boss says, I think Mattress Mac may want to do something. So let's, well, I guess I should rewind. We did something for like the first or second round of the playoffs in his parking lot and it was big and people came out and i had a pair of tickets that i was going to give away of mine to the playoffs and then mac said hold on here's 50

pairs and he buys like 50 pairs of tickets for that suite in the outfield so then the world series comes around and it's world series uh the game five had just happened it was this epic game five i get a call from my boss and he said, listen, Mac may want to do another ticket giveaway for game six. And I said, well, that doesn't really work because game six is in Los Angeles. My boss says, hold on, I'll call you back. I lay down, I fall asleep. I get a call from my boss, I don't know, noon, one o'clock. He says, all right, Mac's going to get, we're going to game six. How the fuck are we going to game six? Well, Mac is chartered a plane and Mac is going to do a giveaway for tickets tomorrow. And he's going to get, we're going to game six. How the fuck we going to game six? Well, Mac is chartered a plane and Mac

is going to do a giveaway for tickets tomorrow and he's going to give away tickets to people who show up and it's going to be a random drawing and we're going to give away flights to like 10 people. They have to bring their bags and they have to be packed at gallery furniture and we're all going to then drive to the airport to a private

tarmac and we're all going to get on a plane and we're all going to fly to LA for game six. And then we're going to turn right around and come back to Houston. And I said, well, Jilly, I mean, like what about Jim? Jim can come too. Well, what about Jilly? Jilly can come too. He bought, he rented this plane. He bought like a hundred tickets to the game, whatever. And we're all going. So we get on a plane that day, fly to LA. When we land at LAX, there is a bus waiting for us. We all get on this bus. On the bus, he's ordered pizza for everybody.

There's like 10 boxes of pizza on this bus. We get stuck in traffic. We go to Dodger Stadium. They park the bus at Dodger Stadium. We all go in. 100 people for this Astros game, game six. We all go in. It's fun. We're right down the baseline.

Amazing seats. They lose. We get right back on that bus. We go through downtown LA again, back to LAX. Stop at, what's that nasty burger? In-N-Out. We stop at In-N-Out. We all eat a burger. We all get back on the bus. Then we all go to the airport, get on a plane and fly overnight back to Houston. And then we, we get it there at about five 45. We land, Jilly goes home. Jim goes home. I go to the radio station to do the show that morning. It was just a bizarre whirlwind, but that's the shit Mac does. It's just this, like,

he's the greatest sponsor to have because he will do anything. Yeah. He's, um, he's something else we were doing a we were doing we're broadcasting uh two years ago at the world series outside of um minute made and he came on to do a really quick hit and he drives you know he's very understated he doesn't like drive a flashy car or anything i'm not gonna say what car specifically he drives or i don't know i don. I don't want to get chased down like Michael Jordan on the streets. We're talking there and there's a crowd around

him. As he goes to leave, this homeless guy is like, hey, man, I really need a ride. Mattress Mac looks at him and is like, all right, where are you going? I hopped into them and he drove them down to the bus station. It's – he really – like he's just – there are a lot of stories about him

just kind of helping out a lot of people. People ask me all the time. They're like, so is he really like that good of a guy? Is it all a show? I'm like, no, like Mac is just like probably the most genuine guy ever. He just genuinely enjoys helping people. Here's an example of Mack. So the Saints are playing in the NFC Championship game in 20,

it was the 2018 season, I guess, into 2019 was the year the playoff game was. And I was on the air, and I was mentioning that Mack had bought some of his guys that worked at his store these tickets because they were Saints fans. And I said, well, I'm a Saints fan. I'd like Mack to buy me a ticket to go to this damn game. Like an hour later, I get a call. All right, I got you two tickets for the game, bud.

Have a good time. Like, are you fucking serious? Yep. So then me and Jilly went down to New Orleans for the NFC Championship game. Unfortunately, Jilly could not attend because the week prior when we were in New Orleans for the divisional round, Jilly fell down in the dark while carrying a skewer of meat through downtown and might have broken her kneecap. No, first of all, I bruised a rib.

Okay. Second of all, it was a sausage on a stick. But still, we flew there. So we drove there, and then what happened is we were there on Saturday night, Sunday morning of the NFC Championship. We've got 50-yard line seats, basically, lower bowl, amazing seats. Jilly goes, I don't know that I can go to the game today I'm just hurt. Well Saturday night it started to hurt really

really bad. And she goes can I just catch a flight home and that'll be fine. I'm going to the urgent care. I'm going to the urgent care so then I had to find a buddy of mine to go to the game but the funny part is she gets on a plane, flies home doesn't realize that I forgot to give her the house key so she flies home has no way to get

into the house so then she has to call Papa Locke to come out and unlock the damn house and it's a but the thing is Mattress Mac is so baller that like it's almost like he's a genie and you can make a wish and it will be granted so if I were on the air and I'm like you know I'd really just like to go to to Hawaii for the Hawaii Bowl. I don't know. Then you get a call. Hey, Josh Mack, you want to go to Hawaii? I'm like, yeah, sure.

And then, bam, he'd show up. He's the best sponsor to have for stuff. And I think he's a genuinely good dude. I think a lot of guys do shit just for show. But I don't think he does. I think he's genuine. What do you do? So, okay, on your show, because it's a music station, what percentage of the time do you end so okay on your show because it's a it's a music station what percentage of the

time do you end up talking about sports I mean it just depends on what's going on in sports like on a Monday I'll probably talk some about the Titans but the beauty is I don't have to and I really seemingly really cares about the Titans here and I don't give a shit like I don't really like I've gotten to a point I don't know where you are mentally on sports I know it's still your job but I think you're also kind of a guy that doesn't live and breathe it. Like, I think with all the stuff that's gone down with with politics being involved in the Rona and everything is so people fighting each other constantly. Like, my love of sport has kind of dissipated a lot over the last probably five years. You know what?

There's a it's an interesting when you talk about the politics in sport and i know it's it's there's varying levels you know between the different leagues but just with the nfl because we talk like you know we talk way more nfl on 610 um it's there's times where sometimes i'll listeners will ask me stuff that I can tell that they either read on a political website or a news website or that they, or that they saw on Fox news and they'll ask me about it. And it'll be something like I have zero clue about like the, the black national anthem being played at games this year, supposedly. Yeah. Like people were asking me about, I'm like, I, I've never heard of this at all. Like, and I don't know if it ever, like, I don't know if it ever actually was a thing

or that was proposed or anything, but apparently it was a big deal on news sites in like July. And like, I was clueless about it, like 100%. So I, I don't know if there's everybody's, we're all living in these different silos silos depending on where we get our news and what those news sources choose to focus on. This year, at least, in the NFL at least, the ratings are better than they've ever been. And the bleed over from real life into sports and vice versa, it doesn't seem to be as much as what it was in the past.

Well, now it's the rona the rona is now the thing that's the most controversial topic like i think the police and the kneeling and the the the flag i think that's two years ago three years ago but the rona part is legit like today they're talking about how the players allegedly according to a report they'd rather not be tested at all and just say you know what no more protocol for the rona like that's the hot button issue right now is that. Yeah, but even that, I don't know. I don't listen to enough other stations anymore,

like either in Houston or around the league, to really get a feel anymore. Do you try to just tone out of sports or tune out when you're not on? I do. Not completely. I try not to get on to the i don't want to hear too many opinions um because it bleeds into your opinion and you subconsciously almost make it your opinion yeah or i shy away from saying it because i feel like i'm plagiarizing

somebody else some asshole on the some asshole on your text is going to be like oh you stole that one from adam clanton huh fuck you bro fucking idiots and then the anger just comes back yeah actually tell me tell me this tell me this really quick tell me this and i know i keep interrupting you but i'm also getting drunker so i'm gonna interrupt you a little bit more speaking of hand that shot over here oh we got shots everybody throw in some donuts for some shots if you guys would like on twitch uh now here's the thing. So I feel that you and Meltzer were both negatively impacted by the text line at 610. That was like the precursor to Twitter.

And it used to fuck with me too. And that's why I would tell my listeners, because I'm a cocksucker, I'd say go to their text and say like dumb shit and piss them off because I knew it would piss Meltzer off. And I do think that it messed with you guys a little bit. Oh yeah, yeah.

It was bad. Because if it distracts you guys a little bit oh yeah yeah it was bad it's because if it distracts you you know and you can tell when your co-host is distracted by the text line or twitter in the middle of the show and it's brutal they zone out yeah yeah and I'm way more guilty of it than uh Mike and I are probably the worst at it I've gotten a lot better a lot of it like for the most part I try to only check it during commercial breaks but sean will sean will snap me back into it usually if i hear him saying my name a lot it's i'm like oh yeah i was looking at the text line wasn't it um yeah it's it's it's it's almost impossible you know we talked earlier about like when the the cool thing now is to not get agitated as opposed to back in the day when you know you know you need to demand respect and if somebody disrespects you

fight them i think it it's probably appropriate that the cool thing now is to not get offended and not get upset because you we've never been assailed by more negativity from more directions like everybody like everybody everybody walking around with a phone is basically like a sports radio host with a text line there's no shortage of negativity coming at you all the time um but yeah you would i you know what i got good at though josh i started to figure out when it was one of your listeners um messing with me for the most part and like and i've gotten a lot better at it but every now and then and you know i've heard you talk about this you can get really good at kind of tuning a lot of it out but every now and then

in the right moment like i'm a long day it just somebody somebody pushes a button and then you know you know that they're pushing your button and you know that you're irrational and you can't help it. And that's what, um, I, but that's where I say something that's so stupid. You're like,

okay, I have to respond. Cause you know, they're wrong. Cause you know, they're factually inaccurate about you have to acknowledge it. Yeah. Yeah.

And then, and, but then you, you realize you're going down that rabbit hole of like, he said something so stupid and no matter what I say or that rabbit hole of like, they said something so stupid. And no matter what I say or how badly I disprove what they said, they're not going to let it go. And then the next thing you know, you're in 12 tweets deep and you've gone back and forth for an hour. Even the biggest loser thing, because I was part of it, is when you respond to people's texts.

So that means on their phone, they're getting a text message from 6 to 4, 6, 10 or whatever, 6, 10, 4, 2, 6 or whatever the text is. And they'll get a text like, holy shit, I'm getting a text message to my phone from Seth fucking Payne or Josh Ennis or Mike Meltzer. It's one thing to respond to a tweet. You're like, literally, you are speaking to them over their phone. And you got to get yourself out of that because Jilly called me out once in Houston. I spent all day, there was some fellow by the name of

Houston Media Critic. Have no idea who this fucking guy was. Probably some angry former radio or TV guy, just some asshole. And he would shit on me constantly.

And one Saturday over the course of a drive from downtown out to wherever the woodlands and back, I was texting and I was tweeting back and forth

with this guy for three hours and one day and in that moment jilly goes you know you're a fucking loser right like you're a total fucking loser and i'm like you know what i think you're right i think you're mad i think you're absolutely right so and then you snap out and you're like, fuck. This is funny. One of the guys, I just got on your Twitch. Oh, man, I know this guy. Except the text line is pretty much anonymous because we can't name, we can't assign, you can remember the phone number if you were that psychotic about it, which I am with a couple of guys.

A few stand out. This guy, this is true. Me and Seth argued about George Floyd on the am with a couple guys. A few stand out. This is true. Me and Seth argued about George Floyd on the text line, summer of 2020. That must have been our friend M.W. Solgrove. Yep, that makes sense. I only engaged with one person that I recall

about George Floyd. And I don't think Solgrove, I don't think we were actually arguing necessarily. I think we disagreed about a few things. But I think it was, as I recall it, that was kind of respectful. Maybe I'm wrong, unless he was trolling me and I got pissed off about it. Oh, he doesn't troll. He's just like basically he's like a Trump son, basically.

He's one of Trump's kids. So I think I thought, I think we were kind of respectful, or at least I was trying to be. Sometimes it's lost in translation on the text line. But apparently this was a guy who also used to text, Mike, do you even watch football? respectful or at least I was trying to be sometimes it's lost in translation on the text line but but apparently this was a guy who also used to text Mike do you even watch football to Meltzer because that would that probably I used to do that I think even when I worked with you guys I would text him I would text and I'd go Mike do you even like it would be a dumb opinion like wait a second you

would take Andrew Luck over Mario Williams like do you even watch football and i would sit there and listen to the radio and go hey jelly here he's about to get really pissed off in three two one this guy on the text oh my god oh my god and the best is when brad was with him because brad would egg him on like brad's a radio guy right you know so brad would sit there and he'd go mike you see this over here mike this guy says you don't watch football and mike would lose his fucking mind and it was it was great i used to do that to paul all the time too like one saturday i called paul i think it was with melzer and we were going to a tri-star show to meet ozzy smith of all things and and paul was on the air and i called him up and i was like basically i forgot what i told him it was something about guns and how i was gonna shoot him i'm like you little shit i'd come

out there i'd shoot you or some shit. And he thought it was real. And he was so fucking proud that someone wanted to kill him. He posted the audio on social media. He's like, oh, my God, I'm getting death threats. I fucking made it. I'm like, no, you asshole. It's me.

I used to do that. Or the time that I called you guys as what's his name in the wheelchair? Oh, Stephen Hawking. Oh, Stephen Hawking. Yeah, that was... Seth was pissed. Do you know why I was pissed, Jilly? This is a thing. It was...

I knew that it was a fake call, but my boss had told me that it was Stephen Hawking. And I'm like... And that we had to take the call, and I'm kind of like... I was relatively new to radio, and I was just and then we had to take the call and I'm kind of like I was relatively new to radio and I was just trying to figure it out um that's

what yeah and I was I was pissed I think I was partially no no Josh you did a good job I thought it was a fake call but then I asked you some like some question about physics and you bullshitted your way through it so well and I was kind of like

i think this might actually be steven i remember this i like you know what i did i started recite like basically repeating shit from uh back to the future so i go i go you go like well what about something i go well you know there's the space-time continuum and uh you know 1.21 gigawatts and whatever the fuck but i did it through this voice changer that made it sound like i'm doing like a an eyeball to text thing that someone with als would use but i was uh no yeah i was way too sensitive about that one that was a really good prank and it wasn't a good prank because he forced you to take the call like so like and he i think he was trying to endear himself to me because he was new and uh i just ultimately found him to be a dweeb and and we never really got along i bet i mean you guys i'm sure had a fine relationship and now he's somewhere like michigan or something traverse city or some shit uh i do have to i do

have to get going okay well we'll do this shot in your honor thank you we'll do a shot in honor of our friend seth who rules yes and uh and maybe we'll have the people send you nice texts on Monday. That's what we'll do. That'd be awesome. And we'll do that. And come on again some. Dude, let's shoot this shit. Release the hounds.

Tell them to go off on Monday. It's only a two-hour show on Mondays. Sweet. Hey, you know what? We'll do this again. This is fun. I like talking with you, man. Yeah, no, definitely.

It's awesome. Well, have a good one seth thanks buddy bye thanks guys bye enjoyed it yep all right see you later let me see if i can actually log out of this hold on i think he's gone who is mw that keeps popping up i don't know what that is but let's see it happen who are we calling here that turns it off call that number nothing it says nothing. All right, there you go. Weird.

Well, did you do your shot yet? No, I didn't. Did you? No. Okay, well, hold on. Well, since we didn't do it. Well, no, I really just think we need a shot, and Luther's really antsy over there,

so I'm probably going to have to go feed him. So we're going to do a shot. Shots it is. To Seth. To Seth, everybody. Seth Payne. Well, that was a hell of a time. Boy, that's a good start

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