The Josh Innes Show - NFL Trade Deadline and Future Job Openings

Episode Date: November 5, 2024

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Today is not only Election Day. It is the trade deadline in the NFL, which a lot of people don't get hyped up over like they do in baseball and basketball. NFL trade deadline is kind of a ho-hum thing. But every now and then, something happens. I mean, look. Look what's happened to the Chiefs. They traded for DeAndre Hopkins,

who the first week, a couple of catches, whatever. What did he do yesterday? Two touchdowns, 70-something yards. By the way, I did take him for his overpassing or receiving yards, I should say, yesterday. And he got those in the first freaking quarter, basically. So my man was out there putting on. That's what I love is when you get these guys and people say they're washed.

And then you get them around good players, good coaching, good system, give them a reason to play. And all of a sudden, wow, magically they're good at football again. Like DeAndre Hopkins toiling around in Tennessee I guess he's washed he's only getting two three catches a game some games none he just stinks well no maybe it's because he was playing for a dipshit head coach with I don't know Mason Rudolph as his quarterback and Will Levis as his quarterback maybe that's why DeAndre Hopkins didn't look like DeAndre Hopkins and you look like DeAndre Hopkins.

And you get him with the Chiefs. You get him with Andy Reid. You get him with Pat Mahomes. And within two weeks, he looks like he's been there his whole damn life. So people love to write these guys off because they're in bad situations. There are so many dudes around the league right now that if you took them from their bad situations they're in and put them on good teams, it'd be night and day you'd go holy shit this guy's like like i'm a

saints guy there are dudes on that saints defense who are really good players unfortunately the saints defense is awful they can't tackle anybody they can't stop anybody they're terrible i still think guys like cam jordan can still play at a high level you don't see it because they're terrible I still think guys like Cam Jordan can still play at a high level you don't see it because they're in New Orleans and the defense is awful I think that Demario Davis is still one of the most underappreciated underrated players in football that guy could go somewhere and play at a high level Marshawn Lattimore's there's been rumors that he would get traded to Kansas City although that's less likely as what most of the reports are now I'd be fine with it the Saints should get rid of anybody that has any value, fire the GM and start things over again with a new head

coach. We'll get to that in a second too. But I'm going down through some of the stuff on CBS about the latest updates in the world of trades in the NFL. Now, okay, so things have kind of changed over the last few minutes all right so um the Chargers are trying to make a move for KJ Osborne which would be good for them I think the Chargers at this point are truly a real wild card are they going to win the Super Bowl no because they're in the same division not only the same league same conference the same division as the Chiefs and the Chiefs are eight no and until proven otherwise the Chiefs are 8-0, and until proven otherwise, the Chiefs are just going to keep winning Super Bowls, and they may never lose

again. They keep finding ways to do it. I don't think they're great, but they keep finding ways, and great teams find ways to win. So all the stereotypes, all the cliches, there you go. But the Chargers, if you look around the around the afc we talk about this all the time who's the who's the competition for the chiefs probably the bills definitely the ravens those are the two clear-cut okay these two teams can no doubt at least make a run at the chiefs after that you've got four other positions to fill in the playoffs one of them is going to be a division winner of course but like well actually you're. One of them is going to be a division winner, of course. But, like, well, actually, you're going to get the Chiefs are going to win a division.

You're going to get the Ravens to win a division, probably. And the Bills are definitely going to win a division. So you've got, essentially, a division winner that's going to have to come from the AFC South, which is probably going to be the Texans. I don't think they're going to fall off that far. Then you've got three other playoff spots. And who are those teams that can occupy those spots? Denver record wise can right now, but you saw Denver get pistol whipped by the Ravens. They ain't ready for prime time. It's one thing to play Carolina and the Saints. It's another thing to play the Ravens. So we'll see

what happens to Denver when they play better teams. I think they still have to play Kansas City twice. So we'll see. All right. But you go around the AFC and you're kind of like, yeah, the Texans are going to get in, but the Texans right now with that offensive line, they ain't even close to a threat. C.J. Stroud's going to end up dead by the end of this year. Things that started out with such promise have really tailed off for the Texans.

Glad they're 6-3, glad they're winning the division, but it appears they're not making any moves at the deadline to help their offensive line. Their offensive line is god-awful. They're going to get Nico back. That's great, but you lose out on Diggs for the rest of the year. Stroud was sacked eight freaking times last game. He's been sacked 30 times this year. He's averaging over three sacks a game. If they're not going to help that dude out, they ain't winning. I hope they win. I hope they win the division. I think they're the best team in the division. But if your quarterback's running for his life all year and taking those hits, he ain't

going to survive. So I, right now, today, do not view the Texans as a viable contender because they are not doing anything to improve their offensive line, and they're just going to let their quarterback run for his life. That could change if they figure something out. But as of right now, I don't view them as legit. So they're out. So there's three legit teams in the AFC, but if the chargers are making moves and continue to get better, the chargers are a team that could win a playoff game. The way Justin Herbert's playing right now, he's playing well. I don't think there's anybody in the AFC South to be scared of right now uh AFC West there's no one outside of the Chiefs and I think Chargers to an extent are to be feared

I don't fear the Broncos at all they showed what they are against the Ravens they stink um AFC East there's no one to be afraid of until proven otherwise there's nobody in that division outside of the bills i should say that is to be feared and then you go to the afc north and i think the bangles are to be feared because of joe burrow and jamar chase and trey hendrickson who's a beast uh and i think uh you know there's three teams i think pittsburgh with rusty is a team to be feared as well are they gonna win the super bowl no but i think they're one that you could say okay we kind of fear these guys if they end up getting in the reality is three teams might end up going to the

playoffs from the AFC North and then you got to find one other one and I think that team could be the Chargers so I think any move they can make is good for them uh this story from an hour ago again I don't know when you're listening to this things could really change that's the risk of doing this kind of pod trade talks surrounding Marshawn Lattimore are warming up and there are multiple people involved according to Josina Anderson if the Saints traded Marshawn Lattimore I'd be fine with that he's a a top end player that you would think should get you something I mean hell they're guys like Jonathan Mingo he got traded and he got a seventh-round pick.

So, I mean, look, I think you should be able to get a mid-round pick for Marshawn Lattimore. That's a first-round pick guy. Now, health is an issue, but it also depends on how desperate you are to add the guy. If he is your missing piece, the Saints might be able to get something. And if you're going to rebuild the Saints, first thing you've got to do is fire Mickey Loomis, which I hope they do at the end of the year. If they don't, it doesn't matter what coach you bring in or anything else none of that matters all that

matters is you got the same guy that's picking the groceries therefore I think you're going to be a losing franchise I think you've got good ownership you could go hire a good coach get a GM that's young smart progressive has an idea of how to do things and the Saints could be back in no time that division is a very gettable division for years and years to come. Look at the quarterbacks in that division. They're not young. Kirk's 80, playing well, but he ain't going to play forever. And I think we're kind of starting to see what Baker actually is. He's fine and he's passable and he can get you to the playoffs.

I like Baker. But after their way, I think they started 3-0, and since then he's thrown a lot of picks, and they're just not very good. Now, he's missing some weapons. I'll give him that. He's missing two big weapons last night, and the fact that he took it to overtime against the Chiefs is commendable.

But if you look at that division, there's not a young quarterback currently in the NFC South where you'd go, oh, God, this guy's the future. The Saints are in the best position to get that guy. Maybe that guy is Shador Sanders. I don't know if he's going to be any good or not. But you're in position to get your quarterback of the future if you're the Saints, and that could set you in the right direction to, in two or three years to be able to help you. Marshawn Lattimore is one of those guys. He's got value. I love Cam Jordan. If they wanted to trade Cam Jordan, trade him, but I don't know what kind of value Cam Jordan's got. I don't know the value DeMario Davis has. I think actually DeMario would have great value. I think there'd be teams that could use him, but Marshawn Lattimore is a legit shutdown corner, still relatively young.

His downside is he has a lot of injuries. But if a team is desperate right now and you can pull a mid-round pick for him, fuck right you do that. You're trying to rebuild your organization. The best way to rebuild an NFL team fast is stockpile picks. Build them young. Let us not forget, the Saints were a team that in 14, 15, and 16 went seven and nine in three consecutive years. The 2017 draft class for the Saints, which is one of their best of all time, featured some key dudes that helped in the renaissance of the franchise, particularly Alvin Kamara,

who they inexplicably re-signed to a two-year deal. They should have let him go or found something for Alvin, who's still at an elite level. He's very good. He's actually found a resurgence. But he was part of that. Marshawn Lattimore was part of that. Two very important players that helped them go to the playoffs in 17, 18, 19, and 20. Like this guy, arguably, outside of the Super Bowl win, probably the best stretch of Saints football ever. And those were keys in that.

How did you do that? You did it through the draft. And you still had Drew Brees, of course. But now you're going to be in a position that you've never really been in if you're the Saints. And that is to have a high first round pick where you can take a quarterback. Now, the downside is this is a shitty year for quarterbacks coming out of the draft, but this is the year that you've got the number one pick. I say number one pick, you're going to have hopefully a top three or four pick. If you don't decide to start playing for this dingus coach that they just put in. If the Saints go on and win seven fucking games, I will shit.

There is no reason to win games. Now, you cannot tell a team to not win games. You cannot tell players to lose on purpose, obviously. But my God, if they somehow turn it around with this coach and they win six or seven games and play themselves out of a top five pick or a top three pick then what the fuck are we doing you are dumb anyway Titans are receiving calls on defensive players per ESPN the Titans have received inquiries on defensive line players including Arden Key and Sebastian Joseph Day listen that team sucks too they're the same as the Saints. They don't

have a future quarterback, although the Saints are tied up with a shitty franchise quarterback for at least another year. But the Titans don't have a franchise quarterback. They're not good. Anybody who you can trade to get anything for them, do it if you're the Titans. You'd be dumb not to. Your season is lost it is over you're not good trade whoever you can trade that has value uh let's see cowboys acquire panthers wide receiver jonathan mingo uh minutes after the cowboys owner jerry jones promised that they will buy not sell at the deadline uh they worked a deal that's finalized a deal for a new pass catcher sending a 2025 fourth round pick to carolina in exchange for mingo and a seventh rounder i don't know why maybe because

he's a young dude would be the end maybe he'll be around with you for a while um he was a second round pick so i guess that there's value in that like i get it but if you're the cowboys like why weren't you buyers when you gave a big contract to Dak? And you're like, no, we're not going to buy guys like Derrick Henry, who is in the MVP consideration right now. We're not going to make a move like that. We're just going to bring back an old has-been like Zeke Elliott. We're not going to really do anything to help improve the team around Dak.

We're just going to sign him and C.D. Lamb. But now you're buyers, now that Dak is out probably for at least the next four weeks with a hamstring injury and your season's lost. So your season's over. You're three and five. And you're not one of those three and five teams that have been kind of down, but you're like, oh, they're lying in the weeds like a bangles who are kind of hovering around, but you feel like if they get hot, they can make something. The Cowboys have been embarrassed in most of their losses. Dak has not been good. The team overall has not been good.

You're going to fire the coach at the end of the year, if not before. And somehow you're making moves at the deadline. Like to me, this is not a move, and maybe I'm giving them too much credit. This is not the kind of move you make and go, oh, this helps us in the right now. They might be saying, hey, this is for next season. Now I don't know how much time this guy has on his deal or anything like that, but maybe they view him as a guy who is a talent that matches up with a fourth-round type of pick that they could get next year,

and they view it as, hey, next year, we're married to Dak anyway, we're getting a head start on who's going to be there with Dak next year. We'll see what this guy has. It's certainly not going to help you this year when you've got Cooper Rush as your quarterback. Season's over for the Cowboys. It's kind of a weird one. Let's see.

Let's see. The Bengals are sending a 2025 seventh-round pick to the Bears for Khalil Herbert. That's not a bad move for them. The Lions, that's kind of one of the biggest ones that happened today, was the Lions get Z'Darrius Smith from the Browns. Now he's there to replace Aiden Hutchinson. Obviously, nobody is going to replace Aiden Hutchinson.

If Aiden Hutchinson's healthy at this point, do you look at the Lions as the favorite to win the Super Bowl? And right now you'd say possibly. I mean, it's them. If you lined up the Chiefs against the Lions, I would take the Lions. Everybody healthy, I would take the Lions. I like all the little new toys and everything that the Chiefs have on offense, but I just like the Lions.

But you lose Aiden Hutchinson, that's a big loss. You get Zedaria Smith, that is at least something. You had to do something, and you're getting that, but it's still a giant, giant issue that you lose your guy. So you lose Aiden Hutchinson, that's trouble. So that's kind of what's going on NFL-wise. Again, you might listen to this tomorrow, and none of this will matter to you. I don't know why, like a moron, I'm doing dated stuff here, but I am. All right. If you're ready

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and now there are updated odds on the next coaches to be fired. The current favorite in the odds is Doug Peterson, who's minus 200. I could see that. There's no value. You'd have to bet 200 to win 100, so there's no real value. After after that it's Matt Eberflus at plus 150 why is there value there well you drafted a number one pick overall quarterback and your team has regressed and Matt Eberflus has a history of just doing dumb things like for instance why was your number one overall pick in a 20 point game with 18 seconds or 20 seconds to go last week thus getting injured while he's in there. To me, that in and of itself is a fireable offense. Then the week before, you've got your

players who are so disengaged on the last play of the game. You got a dude waving to the crowd. That dude ends up having to hurry up and run into the Hail Mary play. He tips the Hail Mary play into the air that's caught for a touchdown. That's the kind of shit that can't happen, and that's the kind of shit that falls on the head coach. So I would imagine that Eberflus has done at least at the end of this year. Mike McCarthy is plus 700, so you bet 100 bucks, you win 700. I don't think they're going to fire McCarthy in the middle of the season. If they were going to do that, wouldn't you do it when you still feel like you have a chance? It's kind of over. Now he's playing with backup quarterbacks.

Dak's out probably for at least a month. By the time Dak comes back, you might be three and eight, three and nine, which you might have been anyway with Dak because you weren't good with him. And you're certainly not going to be good without him probably. So I imagine they let McCarthy finish the season. I don't think this is going to be one where he's fired midseason. Gerard Mayo is plus 1,100. Now, the Patriots are a disaster.

Would they be willing to sever ties early with a coach? Look, he was in a losing spot anyway. If you're going to go out and have to replace Belichick, that was never going to be a spot. So you were never going to succeed. I don't know that they fire him in the middle of the year, but we'll see. You know who I think could get fired mid-season? This is where I think there's sleeper value here, is Brian Dable. They're terrible. Their offense is god-awful. They're atrocious. It's plus 1,400. So 100 bucks wins 1,400.

50 bucks would win 700. There's some value in that. Like, I think there's something to be said about Dable. Like, just off the top of my head, if you're looking for value. Like, Doug Peterson's probably going to get fired too. But Doug Peterson isn't a guy that you would go, okay, there's value. Because there's not. It's minus 200.

You're looking to find a way to put in as little money as possible and get the biggest reward as possible in a bet like this. I could see a scenario where Brian Dable gets whacked and he's plus 1400 and you go, okay, I made a couple bucks. Shane Steichen, I probably wouldn't go Shane Steichen at plus 1600. I don't think that the Colts can just keep firing people. The Colts are like the Panthers. They're just a mess in terms of that, so I don't think that's going to happen. Todd Bowles, I don't think Todd Bowles is getting fired, but the odds aren't very good either.

It's plus 2800. I don't think they're going to fire Todd Bowles in the middle of this season. They could still make the playoffs. Mike McDaniel is also an interesting one because the shine has kind of come off of Mike McDaniel. I think he gets a reprieve because his quarterback's been hurt for a large part of the season. But even so, they've gotten him back

and they've lost the last two weeks. There's no actual shame in losing to the Bills on the road, but you also did lose to the Cardinals, who, by the way, sleeper team right now are the Cardinals. Just surprise team more so than a sleeper. A sleeper indicates you think they're going to do something. I don't, but they're a surprise. I don't think they fire Mike McDaniel in the season, but it was really easy to be quirky and kind of like wacky. And he's got the sunglasses and he runs away from the interview and he's

wacky on hard knocks. You can do all that stuff when you're winning, even though you're not beating good teams, when you're winning nine or 10 games, you can go, okay, cool. Now he did lose a lot of his shine when they kind of tanked at the end of last year and had to end up going to play a negative temperature Kansas city instead of playing a home game where they probably could have won a playoff game playing at home. Instead, they had to go to Kansas city where they had no chance in the temperatures at Arrowhead. So that kind of took some of the shine off. Then you lose your quarterback and people start to say, maybe you're not as smart as you think you are. Now, I would argue that most teams are not going to win when you go from Tua,

your starting quarterback, that you've paid money to be your starting quarterback, to Tyler Huntley. You're just not going to win those games no matter how smart the coach is. Find me the coaches in the NFL that are still finding ways to win a lot of games with backup quarterbacks. The Saints were 2-0 with Derek Carr in a healthy offensive line. Derek Carr gets hurt, offensive line dies, they've lost seven games in a row. So you're not going to find too many guys winning with backup quarterbacks. I wouldn't fire Mike McDaniel during the season or at the end of this year. I think he gets another year, but his value on that is plus 3,300. Kevin Stefanski is not going to get whacked.

Let's see. And then Dave Canales is plus 6,600. So out of all those guys, now the guys who I think that are no doubt getting fired whether it's during the season or by season's end will be doug peterson will be mad eberflus they're not going to let mad eberflus ruin a guy that they invested the number one overall pick in he's made too many dumb decisions this year the team started out slow but you have a rookie quarterback it's fine they got better The problem is you can lose games with a rookie quarterback, but your decisions can't be the reason you lost. You cannot lose that game to Washington. You played terrible the whole game. You found a way to take the lead, and then you blew it because

your team mentally fucked up. That's on the coach. That can't happen. That's a strike. Then this week, you get your quarterback hurt down 20 points in a game against the Cardinals. That's another strike. And there's been strikes previously. Eberflus has gone at the end of the year. It's just a matter of if it happens during the season or not. They're a team. You also want to look at teams that feel like they still have a shot who might think a spark could take them in the right direction. But on the other hand, they might say, we still have a shot, so why rock the boat? Whereas the Saints had no shot.

Their players were emailing the owner, telling them they hated the coach, and we can get into that later. But all that, the Saints season's over. If you're going to try to make something of your season, fire the coach when you're 2-3, 2-4, and still have a chance. 2-7, it's over, especially after you just lost to the Pan panthers so eberflus is going to get fired it's just a matter of it's during the season i don't believe that jerry fires mike mccarthy during the season

so even though that's plus 700 100 bucks wins you 700 i don't think they fire a mid-season now if it gets to like three and ten and there's three weeks left in the year they want to get a head start on finding a new coach maybe But this is a matter of which coach gets fired next. That's what these odds are, by the way. I don't know if I clarified that. It's which coach gets fired next, the next coach to get fired. I've spoken for 15 minutes on this. I don't even think I told you that it's the next coach to get fired. So it's not to get fired. It's will that coach get fired next? So you got to start looking at who's most likely based on their schedule, what their expectations were.

Daybol's in New York, right? New York, they'll fire you in New York just because they have to. Like, I don't think the Patriots fired Gerard Mayo because I honestly don't think they hired him with the expectations of winning with a rookie quarterback in Gerard Mayo. And I also think, very progressive owner, I don't think a progressive owner is going to fire a blackhead coach who had a rookie quarterback and want to deal with that. Just, I don't. We're trying to make money here. This isn't about being nice. It's about, hey, we're trying to win the next coach to get fired. Might Gerard Mayo get fired at the end of the year?

Possibly. I don't foresee them firing the coach for all those reasons I stated in the middle of the season, and the season's already lost anyway. So a lot of times, that's why I don't understand why you fire a coach in a lost season. If you're going to fire a coach, do so when you think a new coach will bring a spark to you and you can make some moves. I mean, the Bears are still hanging around. You fire Eberflus, maybe you find a guy

the players react to and you do well. The Giants are dead. Why bother firing Brian Dable if they're dead? The Dolphins are dead. Why fire your coach? Now, you could argue that Tampa's not dead yet. There's a spot open. They could make the playoffs.

I don't think they'll win the division at this point now because they've fallen off, but could they make the playoffs? Sure. Was it an egregious mistake by them last night to not go for two when they had the opportunity? Really, you want to look for a fireable offense on Bowles. Look at the way they handled the end of the game last night.

So they get that first down at the one yard line with 33 seconds. They have a timeout left. You need one yard to score and put yourself in position to kick an extra point to tie it or go for two to win it. What you cannot do is score, tie the game, and then give the ball back to Patrick Mahomes with any amount of time and timeouts. So what did they do? They did exactly what you could not do. They call a timeout with 33 seconds to go. They score with 27 seconds. So instead of giving Patrick Mahomes the ball

with as little time as possible, needing a field goal to win, and no timeouts or forcing the Chiefs to just see if they'll call their timeouts. Instead, they called the timeout early, scored early, and left Mahomes with two timeouts. They didn't go for two. They kicked the extra point.

Mahomes has 20-something seconds and two timeouts to get 30-some-odd yards to get into field goal range. Now, it worked out, but it was the wrong move. Sometimes the wrong move can work out. It was the wrong move in that scenario to give Patrick Mahomes nearly 30 seconds in two timeouts when you're at the one freaking yard line. You can run two plays from the one yard line,

three plays from the one yard line, because you're going to sneak anyway. That's what you should do in that spot. They ended up throwing it, but you could sneak in that spot, run the clock down as far as possible, and you do that here's how you look it's easy for me to say because I'm not a head coach but Todd Bowles in that spot should have done everything he could to either run the clock down on his own or force the Chiefs to at least burn their time out so Mahomes didn't have any timeouts to work with and then score with as little time as possible

and then go for two because when you didn't for two, and you counted on the extra point to tie the game, you gave the ball back to Mahomes in a situation that he's won 100 times, and then he didn't. But then you put the game in the hand of a coin flip, and you lost the coin flip, and you saw Baker's reaction after that. The second the Chiefs won the coin flip, he threw his head back in disgust, and he's like, fuck, it's over, because they knew it was over, because Mahomes was going to take them down the field. You handled the situation terribly at the end of the game. Now, on the other hand, you're down seven points, and you're just happy to score late in the game. It was a hell of a drive from Baker, but you've got one play, essentially, to win or lose the game, and

you're two yards away from the end zone. What's more likely to happen? You score two yards out to take the lead and win the game, or somehow you keep Patrick Mahomes from scoring at some point at the end of the game or overtime to beat you. I take my chances. No one would fault him for that. I don't believe anybody would have looked at Todd Bowles in that scenario and faulted him for saying, you know what we're going to do?

We're going to take Mahomes out of the equation. But he didn't do that. So if you're just looking for a fireable offense, I could argue that decision. Then after the game, he was asked, so what was the likelihood you were going to go for two? How much thought did you give? And he goes, I didn't give really any thought. Next to no thought, I just said, we're going to kick. And I'm like, why? You're on the road. You're the underdog in the game. Mahomes, if he isn't gonna beat you on the now once they score with 27 seconds left you can make the argument that that going for the two didn't really matter in that spot because you left my home so much time that a field goal was going to win it one way or the other that's why

calling that timeout with 33 seconds was dumb uh they handled everything about that wrong. Everything was handled poorly and they ended up losing. And they kind of deserved to lose because of the mismanagement at the end of that game. But Todd Bowles could be an underdog. I don't think they'll fire him, but plus 2,800 to be the next coach fired isn't bad. But anyway, and then you start looking at these jobs and you wonder which of these jobs is good. Imagine trying to take the Giants job, and you're stuck with Daniel Jones or the Cowboys. My buddy Matt was talking about the Saints and how appealing their job is. I think the Saints job is actually pretty appealing, especially if you have a top two or three pick where you're basically going to get to pick your quarterback, and there's not going to be pressure to win next year because

you're either stuck with Derek Carr or you've got a young quarterback you get to pick your guy now it's unappealing because you might get stuck with the shitty GM but you want to tell me that the the Jaguars job is a good one when you're you're basically in a forced marriage with Trevor Lawrence and you don't really know if he's good like you're stuck in it would you want to take the Giants job and you know that Daniel Jones fucking sucks so like why the fuck would you want to take the Giants job? And you know that Daniel Jones fucking sucks. So why the fuck would you be excited to take that gig? Or the Cowboys gig where you've got a meddling owner and you've got a quarterback who you are no doubt married to.

Dak is fine. I don't think Dak sucks. Dak wins regular season games. He doesn't win playoff games. That's Dak. But if you took that job, Dak is your dude. You are married and committed to Dak. Is that the life you want to live?

Like, does that make the Cowboys job appealing? And there's tons of pressure. And the owner medals. And the owner is the fucking GM. And last offseason, they did nothing to make the team better. So I don't know if the Cowboys are a spending team anymore. They keep Dak. Dak is mid.

He's above average. I'm not going to say he's mid. He's an above average quarterback, but they fucking suck with him. And they signed CeeDee Lamb and gave him big money. But do you really, if you're like a high-end assistant coach or somebody who's like, hey, I want an opportunity to build something, do you really want to go into a situation where you're forced to inherit DAC? Is that what you want to do? To me, a job like the Cowboys is better, like honestly, is better for somebody like a Belichick if he wants to get back into coaching because Belichick doesn't want to go to a rebuild situation.

He's in his 70s and he's plowing 20-something-year-olds. He doesn't want to sit there and have a reclamation project. He wants to go in and say, all right, let's win. The Cowboys, as they are constructed with the right coaching and things working out, can win regular season games. So to me, that job is only appealing to somebody like that or someone who isn't highly sought after. If I'm a highly sought after candidate for head coach, I want to go to a place where I get a chance to pick my guy and I'm not stuck trying to make my stuff work with someone who's already there. And that's what you would get, especially if that guy sucks like Daniel Jones. The Giants job's terrible.

I don't know how much time Daniel Jones has left, but Daniel Jones is terrible. That job sucks. To me, there is no real benefit to taking that job. At least with the Jaguars, Trevor Lawrence is there and I don't think he's terrible and maybe he's something you can mold into what you want but that's better than Daniel Jones Dak is better than Daniel Jones and even if you're like taking the the Bears job you're in the second year of a number one overall pick that's not a bad gig either but the the Cowboys gig is one to me that needs to be filled by someone who's been a head coach before,

maybe an older dude or someone getting their second or third shot, and they're not in it, you know, they're not here for rebuilding. Because the Cowboys are not going to rebuild next year. You have to find a way to win then. That's why a guy like Belichick, who might have two or three years of coaching in him, if he's any good, if you've got anything left, that's the kind of gig you take there. I don't even know that Todd Bowles gets fired in Tampa this year so I don't know if Tampa's a situation maybe Shane Steichen gets whacked Gerard Mayo may get whacked I don't know that that's a good situation either because I don't know what you've got in Drake May and the

positive of the Patriots gig is you're following the guy that followed the guy, so it can't be any worse. Like, Gerard Mayo's been a disaster, but he followed Bill Belichick, arguably the greatest coach ever. So now you're not following Bill Belichick. You're following Gerard Mayo, and he's left it a mess. So that's probably honestly why they hired Gerard Mayo. They knew that whoever followed Belichick was going to be a disaster.

Let Gerard Mayo fail and go fire somebody else. But talking about the jobs that are appealing and ranking them, if you're a head coach, you're saying what job is appealing. To me, and this is not coming from Saints Homer, dude, I truly think the Saints job is more appealing than the Giants job. I think it's more appealing than the Patriots job. I think it's more appealing than the Cowboys job. And I think it's more appealing than the Jaguars job. The Bears job, I don't think, because I think that maybe you've got a chance to turn Caleb into something because he's only been ruined for a year by this

current regime. I think the Saints job's not bad if you continue to lose and you get a high pick and you're going to get to pick your dude. And if they get rid of the GM. If they keep the GM, it's a bad job. Because I think the GM, it's passed him by. He's a loser. He's a kick the can down the road, bad contracts guy. And he looks smart because he had Sean Payton and he had Drew Brees.

Hell, Sean Payton looks smart because he had Drew Brees. Quarterback will do that. So I think people are undervaluing how good of a job that is. And the Saints quietly have a really good owner. Gail Benson's a great owner, great community person. And she stays out of the way. I mean, look how long it took her to fire Dennis Allen. She gave him all the rope possible, and it took the damn players sending her messages saying,

listen, this guy's a dope, we don't respect him, we don't like him anymore please figure something out she waited too long to fire like to me if i'm a guy and i'm looking at situations like that i'd rather work for someone like that than someone who's got a quick trigger so i think the saints job is actually a pretty fucking good job i mean jacksonville is kind of always a bad job, but I think Bears and Saints, to me, are two of the most appealing jobs. Now, the Bears haven't opened yet, but when it does eventually open, Bears and Saints, to me, are maybe one and two among the best jobs because of what you actually get to do as the head coach. There you go. All right. Cool.

All right. Maybe we'll do some more stuff later. It is election night, so I'll be drinking wine and watching that. Not that I really know anything that's going on in that, but maybe we'll talk about that. Maybe we'll do some live potting after. I don't know. Maybe I'll do another one today. I'm not sure, but appreciate you guys. Again, make sure you tell a friend about it. Send a message. Say, listen to Josh Ennis. The podcast is fucking great and I love it. And then screenshot it, email it to me, DM me, whatever. I appreciate you.