The Josh Innes Show - Shedeur Is Still On The Board

Episode Date: April 25, 2025

First off, I go off on a strange tangent about football recruiting websites. Next, we talk about Shedeur. Why wasn't he drafted? I don't know the dude, but I do see things that make me question if he's truly doing this for himself or for his dad. Cam Ward was the #1 pick and he's barely talked about. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You want to know why Shadur Sanders is such a divisive figure is because people are either sick of hearing him or they're obsessed with him. Like that's the two things, right? Like last night there was a draft. The number one pick in the draft was Cam Ward, a guy who had a very nice run at Miami, a guy who was a zero starstar recruit, famously a zero-star recruit coming out of high school, which, by the way, shows just how much bullshit these recruiting sites are. Like, when I was in Baton Rouge growing up, everybody would talk about, like, rivals or scout, or there was a guy named Dandy Don, and I don't know if Dandy Don still has a website, or if Dandy Don is still alive, or if Dandy Don died and his son Dandy Don

Jr. took over. I don't know. But he was kind of like one of the OG Baton Rouge LSU high school recruiting guys. Dandy Don. Now I got to see if Dandy Don is still around. Nothing against Dandy Don. I just find high school recruiting talk and talking about high school kids to be stupid. And it makes me feel like a dipshit talking about high school kids. Dandy Don LSU. Is this still a thing? Dandy Don's LSU sporting news. Dishing out a daily dose of Tiger. Are you Dandy Don?

Okay. Okay. Here we go. So there's someone else that runs this. So actual Dandy Don died Okay, okay, here we go. So there's someone else that runs this. So actual Dandy Don died like 10, ah, shit. Dandy Don Long died in 2012. So actual Dandy Don has been dead a while. But the guy running this site, whoever it is, some guy with a beard,

are you Dandy Don Jr.? Are you little Dandy Don? Who are you? I need details. So now I'm guessing they put up actual other information too, but at one point it was just big for recruiting. That's what I remember about Dandy Don is it was a big LSU recruiting site, if I recall correctly. Dandy Don, Dandy Don. Credit to the guy. He just created this world that became a viable world and people would spend money to get dandy oh actually you know what it was it was recruiting but it was also lsu practice reports so lsu practice reports were a huge deal you know because lsu now here's what's

funny about this lsu would only allow the media to watch individual drills and practice and then they would take them out. So these poor bastards would have to come up with these hour-long shows about what they saw at practice. And look, I commend guys who can do it. Like my buddy Matt, who is a very good radio guy, a very smart radio guy. He is a lot more mature of a human than I am when it comes to doing radio. Me, I would just get on radio and make fun of the idea of watching dudes playing catch as if that's some sort of great information.

Matt would be able to go out and build a whole show around this shit, and I commend him for that. It's just something that didn't interest me. So I'd go out to practice, you know, it'd be August, like fall practice, getting ready for baseball, or football, and you'd go out to the LSU football facility, it'd be early in the morning and you'd have that South Louisiana, like 90% humidity at seven in

the morning. It'd feel moist and wet, you know, and you'd get out there and you'd watch practice. Remember one time I had a cell phone out and they're like, sir, you cannot have a cell phone at LSU practice. Like why? Who the fuck cares? Like, I'm sorry. I'm calling. Look, I've got Urban Meyer on the phone, and I'm telling him that you guys are playing catch. He's really excited about this. He thinks he's got an edge this week because I pulled out my cell phone, and I called Urban Meyer to let him know that, hey, listen,

they've dropped two passes in practice so far. And it wasn't even practice shit like, you know, seven on seven literally quarterbacks take a snap throw it to one receiver that type of shit dudes like running through tires and shit like that you know and but people ate that shit up because as you know LSU football is like a religion to people far more then than it was or is now like back now you can get all the information everywhere. But back in, you know, even the mid-2000s, you didn't get it everywhere. There was Scout, there was Rivals, you know, that type of shit.

And people had radio shows and websites and shit. But now you can get anything anywhere, and now every slapdick is a media guy. It wasn't that case. It really wasn't the case, you know, 15, 20 years ago that every slapdick guy was a media person. Now, literally, you're like, hey, I have a blog called suck that tiger dick bitch and i need media credentials and they'll be like here suck that tiger dick bitch here's your media credentials that's not the case anymore or it is the case now back then it was not the case now so who runs dandy don who

is dandy don now i'm gonna have to ask Matt who actual Dandy Don is. Who is this guy with the goatee? Who are you Dandy Don guy? Or was there ever actually a Dandy Don? Or was he like a character? Like when you see somebody on like Uncle Ben, was Uncle Ben a real person or was he created to sell rice or Aunt Jemima? Like that type of deal? Was Dandy Don ever a thing or is he just kind of a figure of someone's imagination that was used to sell Dandy Don's football website? I don't know. Why did I start talking about this? Let me play a commercial and regroup.

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talking about the draft we're talking about high school dudes oh Oh, pieced it all together. Way to go, Josh. Cam Ward. So Cam Ward was a zero-star recruit. So Cam Ward, like, oh my God, this guy got a zero-star on rivals and then whatever, and people are obsessed with this kind of shit and whatever. So he's the number one overall pick. You would think that Cam Ward would be the most impressive story ever. It would fit all the boxes, right?

You know, black quarterback, zero- recruit, number one overall pick, all this shit. You'd think he'd be the prime story, but he's not. The number one story is still that Shadur Sanders hasn't been drafted. And that's the reason why you talk about a guy being a polarizing figure. People really become polarizing figures when the media starts to obsess of them one way or the other. Like Tim Tebow. Tim Tebow became a polarizing figure not only because he was good and being good I think plays a part in being polarizing because usually shitty players are not super polarizing guys right but he's a good player super religious would pray so there'd be people

that are like why you let him pray out in the thing and blah blah and people would kiss Tim Tebow's ass so they'd hate Tim Tebow and then Tim Tebow went pro and it became even more divisive and even more of a fight between people right that's the kind of shit you get and um and but the media was a large part of that because the media finds what people start talking about, and then they accentuate it and hammer on it. And then before you know it, it's all people are talking about. So all people are talking about in this draft is not the Cam Ward zero-star recruit, number one draft pick to the Tennessee Titans.

I will say this. Part of that could be because we've kind of known he's going to be the number one pick for the last five months. So that's kind of part of it. Like, where's the story there? But the media has chosen that the number one story in this is Shadur Sanders, and they're going to keep hammering that. If you're watching draft coverage last night, they should have just had a Shadur tracker on the bottom of the screen. Like when you're watching politics, you're watching like the election and like, they should have had a guy at the big board doing the draft shit to try to figure out where, uh, should our Sanders is going to go. But to the point about why people talk about him being a divisive person or a, he himself

is not divisive, but why should our Sanders is such a, a figure polarizing is the word I'm looking for. A polarizing figure is because the guy is everywhere. And when someone is everywhere, you're going to have people who love you and people who are just fucking sick of seeing you, particularly when you're someone that no one knows is going to be any good or not, like most of these guys are. But Shadur is a guy that a lot of people have questions about. And you have people going back and forth on him. And it's constant. At some point, you're like, I'm sick of hearing about this fucking dude. And his dad plays a huge role in that.

Like last night I was watching after he didn't get drafted and he had to like, they filmed him addressing his draft party. Like literally it was like politics. It was like an election. Like, listen guys, uh, they haven't come up with the vote tonight. We haven't gotten the tabulation tonight, but we're still big believers. We think we're going to get this done. I love you guys.

Enjoy some cake. We're going to do this again tomorrow. We're going to run it back. But here's one of the things I think when I look at Shadur, and maybe this is fair and maybe this isn't fair, and maybe I'm a dick and maybe I'm not a dick. When I see Shadur, and I thought this when I watched the reality show, the Coach Prime show, and again, I'm not a Dion hater as I've told you before there are a lot of times I like Dion and I kind of fall for what I think is his bullshit like I think he's full of shit it would be impossible

to not be full of shit with all the shit Dion Sanders says and the hypocrisies he throws out and all like I think Dion Sanders is stone cold full of shit, but I'll be watching it sometimes and I'll find myself falling for it. Just like every now and then, like I'm not a church guy, but I would go to church on occasion in college because the chick I was dating was a church person and we would go to church and I'd find myself for brief moments. Like we'd go to like the nighttime mass on a Sunday after a weekend of debauchery you roll into the Catholic Church on the campus of LSU wearing flip-flops and gym shorts and like you're just like all the bad shit I did this weekend and you're sitting there and like

there'll be a homily from the priest and you're kind of like I'm moved by this for a moment you're like I I kind of you make me want to be a better man, that type of deal. And I'm like, wow. And I come out of that feeling kind of good. And then like five minutes later, I'm like, okay, I don't give a shit. That's kind of how I feel when I see Dion. And it kind of makes sense because Dion is basically a preacher. He kind of wraps himself around the God thing and then tells you a story and tells you how

you need to be better in your own life. I don't think Dion's a bad person. I don't think he's a shitty dude or anything like that. I think he's full of shit. He's full of shit in the same way that priests and mega church guys and all these people are full of shit. I think that they are rooted in some form of altruism. Like I think like their intentions aren't bad necessarily, but I think they're mega full of shit I think Dion is full of shit but when someone's full of shit you're able to fall for their shit even for just a few minutes like you'll find yourself in a trance by some of the shit they do so I'll watch Dion's reality show

Coach Prime which is an interesting show uh what they had the one season at Jackson State that they did and then the two they did at Colorado and I'll watch this and he'll start going into something and some sort of like oh you got to cut the bull junk and all this and you got to do your job and I'll be like yeah I'm kind of just locked in and mesmerized and then you kind of have to shake out the cobwebs and go yeah I think this guy's full of shit but I think that's part of it like like the whole story about Shadur and why Shadur is a story and why like the number one overall pick, young black dude, zero star recruit isn't getting any run is because one guy is a polarizing figure whose dad is a super polarizing figure. And his dad has done a very good job of

turning his son into a polarizing figure in an attempt to make gain on that. That's reality. Every time Dion says, you're only doing this because he's my son. Yes. The only reason he's a story is because he's your son. And the only reason you're talking about him is because he's your son. And the only reason why it's controversial is because you keep making it controversial that he's your son. So you want that to be the story. You're obsessed with that being the story. You need that to be the story. Real talk, if he's not your son and Shadur is the quarterback at Jackson State, then Colorado, how many people even give a shit about him? They don't. So the idea that you try to spin it as, well, you're

only saying this negative shit because he's my son. I would argue the only reason they are saying the super positive shit they're saying is also because he is your son. The only reason why he's this big story and he's on reality. The only reason why he has reality shows is because he's your son. I'm not knocking him. He might want to be the greatest fucking quarterback ever, but that kind of goes to my point. So every time Dion says you're only ripping him because he's my son and you hate me and whatever, the only reason he's reality star and the only reason why he's got these endorsement deals and the only reason why people are talking about him incessantly is because he's your son.

So it goes both ways. That's one. Two, I watched this kind of, not concession speech that he did last night, but he had this wacky setup where he had this whole box set up. It was a really wacky thing he was sitting in for when he gets picked.

And it's got like legendary and all this shit written all over the wall. Like that's what dudes do now. Whatever, I don't give a shit. And he's kind of giving this concession speech and not a concession speech, but kind of a letdown like, oh shucks, we didn't get drafted.

When I listened to him talk, now granted I'm not in a huddle with the guy. I don't play with the guy. So I can't speak to that. And all of his guys say he's a good leader. I'll take their word for it. I don't, I'm not there. But when I watch this guy just speak, and I don't know if he's shy, I don't know what it is.

All these stories I hear about him being super cocky in meetings, like all we see when we see him publicly on these TV shows and shit is like he almost feels like he's doing something that he's good at, but expensive fucking watches and do all this shit. Like, I wonder how much of what he's doing is because of who his dad is and almost like a pressure to do this. Maybe it's not, you know, again, maybe like I, my dad never pressured me into doing anything to be very clear. Like my dad never pressured me to be a radio guy or whatever. I don't think my dad cared. He was in his own fucking world. He he didn't care but I wanted to do it I think partially because I was around it all the time and because it was something I think my dad would go yeah that's fucking cool reason I took the job in St. Louis is I thought oh my dad would say that's fucking cool and he did say it's fucking cool but he also said it was a mistake and he was right

so I've never done like, like I've never done things because I thought, Oh, this will like my dad, like I want my, like, I feel like I have to do it because my dad wants me to do it. My dad was never a pressure type of guy like that. Right. My dad never cared to do that. He would say, if you want to fucking do it, do it. If not, don't like I, unless I mean, that was it it like none of that ever happened I wonder how much of Shadur and what his whole image is is because he feels this sort of pressure because of who his dad is you know what I'm saying now the opposite of that I mean look if the worst case scenario is he becomes a second round draft pick in the NFL and stays out of trouble the alternative is you

could be Michael Jordan's fucking kid or something that ends up doing drugs and getting DUIs and shit. So like there's nothing wrong with who he is. Like I don't think he's a bad dude. In fact, when I watch him on reality shows, like a lot of times when he's being interviewed or something, he'll kind of look down at the ground and he's very shy and very reserved. And I don't know if that's just because he doesn't want to be in front of the camera or whatever or if it's because it's just not really his thing like he's not programmed to want to be prime time Deion Sanders but Deion whether on purpose or not puts this kind of pressure on his kid to be prime time like at times it almost feels like Deion lives vicariously through his kids, but particularly that kid.

One of his kids is in bankruptcy jail or some shit, bankruptcy court over an expensive car. His other kid ain't going to do shit in the draft. His other kid is their media guy at Colorado. The two guys he's kind of living vicariously through right now are his son and Travis Hunter who he kind of spins off as his son so I don't know and again none of this to say these are bad guys like I truly don't believe Deion Sanders is a bad guy a bad guy is someone rape, murder, does a lot of seedy behind the back shit to try to get ahead in life.

I don't think that's Deion. I think he's a good person. I don't think he's evil inherently or anything like that. And I don't think his kid is a bad person. But in a way, I think they're sort of hucksters. Now, by the way, Deion is an all-time great player um but I think there's a huckster quality about them they're kind of not snake oil salesmen they're not selling elixirs out of the back of a flatbed truck or anything like that but they're just kind of they're putting on a show and there are a lot of razzle dazzle and, you know, look this way and I'll do this over here.

But I question how much passion back to the thing yesterday about like how much these people care about being like, how much do you love football? wonder if Shadur Sanders loves football or if he just loves that his dad loves football and he loves his dad and he feels like he has a responsibility to kind of carry on this legacy and by the way I could be very wrong I'm not telling you that that's what this is I'm telling you that if someone from a million miles away when I watched the reality show when I watched that piece last night where he's standing there and and then like even at the end and I guess legendary is that like his saying or his slogan like he goes through this whole diatribe about how it's okay and God put us here for a reason and blah blah blah blah blah and then at the end he just goes like legendary like even that it felt like contrived and forced and like like you're trying too hard to build a brand of something

instead of just doing you like i don't know what cam ward is about i don't know what endorsement deals he has i don't know what his beliefs are anything i don't know if he's really i don't know a fucking thing about cam ward but i know he's the number one pick in the draft i know he played at miami i know he had zero stars. That's it. I couldn't tell you if he has endorsement deals. I couldn't tell you what kind of watch he wears. I couldn't tell you what kind of car he drives.

Could not tell you a fucking thing about Cam Ward. And that guy is the number one pick in the draft. A dude who may go second in the draft, in the second round, like there's belief he's currently the favorite to go first in the second round is Shadur Sanders, betting favorite. That is a pick that the Browns have.

Boy, you want to talk about adding a real fucking circus. You're already the Browns. You're already a disaster of an organization. You're already fucked with Deshaun Watson. Now let's bring in Shadur Sanders. And oh, by the way, Dion's going to be beaten on the door every chance he gets. So don't think he won't. But you look at Shadur, and I know everything about Shadur.

I know his endorsement deals. I know all of his stats and everything. Could not tell you a fucking thing about Cam Ward. Nothing. So that's how fascinating that is, that Cam Ward just kind of quietly, subtly, like he's drafted number one overall. You don't even hear anything about it.

It's just, all right, where's Shadur going to go? Is he going to go number two? Giants going to take him? What's going to happen number three? Are the Giants going to take him? Oh, shit, the Giants move back. Oh, the Giants took Jackson Dart. Well, that's racist.

Fuck them. Like, that's all you heard last night. Shadur, Shadur, Shadur, Shadur. That's credit to Dion, and that's credit to Shad that's all you heard last night shitter shitter shitter shitter that's credit to dion and that's credit to shitter mostly credit to dion number one overall pick gets very little run again i get that part of that is because we've kind of known he was going to be the number one pick forever but we've also known that shitter is going to be in this draft forever he's the story the media and everybody else has chosen Shadur is the story over everybody else in that draft anyway more to come