The Josh Innes Show - Snow White

Episode Date: March 24, 2025

First off, some of the podcast listeners have been bitching about a lack of episodes. I love you guys. I appreciate the interest. But, some days I don't have anything to say. Second, the new "Snow White" movie was a bomb...you know, perhaps don't be hyper political and maybe your film will have a shot. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hello, friends! What's going on? It is Monday, about 1 o'clock in the afternoon. Sorry, I haven't had as many pods lately. Just, honest to God, there's some days I just don't have anything to fucking say. You know, I'll be real with ya. You know, like during football season I have a lot of shit to say because I have a genuine interest in football and I dig it and I like it and I watch all of it and I just I'm into it whereas there are some days when I'm doing this in March April May

whatever and I just might not have a fucking thing to say uh perhaps that's not the right approach to things but until this becomes kind of a more lucrative money-making thing it's not like I'm missing out on thousands of dollars every day by not doing a podcast so some days I don't do episodes some days I do three some days I do one some days I do none and I get some of your bitching that's kind of a good thing I guess it's a good thing when I get messages from people bitching that I didn't do a podcast but it's just like there's a snarky kind of thing I get from some people and it just pisses me off because it's oh I there's a snarky kind of thing I get from some people. And it just pisses me off because it's, oh, I guess you quit podcasting again, huh?

Like, go fuck yourself. Like, I appreciate that you like the podcast and I appreciate that you want to hear it. I do. But when I get people that are giving me snarky responses because I don't do a podcast for a day or two. I was doing three episodes a day for about six solid months. So you can ease up because, oh, I didn't do some on Friday or, oh, I had to travel here on a particular day or, oh, I just ended up staying out with my dog longer. Like, I get it.

I appreciate that you dig what I do and I appreciate that you listen to it. But at the end of the day, my life isn't being made or broken by doing this podcast. I'm doing it because I enjoy talking with you guys and I'm doing it because, you know, it gives me something to do to pass some time, but it's not my life. It's not my livelihood. Maybe one day it will be, maybe one day I'll make enough money doing this where it'll be like, okay, cool. You know?

And I'll, and, and that'll be neat. But at this point, it's not. It's something that during the football season, if I do it the right way, can make me, you know, I mean, depending on how many downloads and shit I get, it can make me like, you know, $1,000 a month or something like that, if we're being honest, right? That's why I post this in segments. Like, that's the trick of the podcast game, by the way,

because I am a big believer that podcast statistics are a farce. Everybody gets into, you know, how, oh, you can see how many people are listening to podcasts. Well, a lot of people just fuck around and mess with the algorithms and post, you know, extra episodes of it, thus driving their numbers up. By putting three episodes up every day, three segments that you guys can pick and choose from. That gives me three more episodes of things getting downloads every day instead of one. And thus it triples the revenue I could make every day from it, right? That's how

this business works. The podcast game is truly a farce. It really is. Like I was listening to, um, a radio show. Some sports host has a radio show. I don't even know where it was. But there were like six, seven, eight, nine, ten segments from each show posted and the full show. And it's smart because you get those downloads. It's a smart thing to do. It's the way you should do it to take advantage of it. I'm not judging people for taking advantage of it.

But people look at podcast numbers and they go, holy shit, look at all these downloads. Trust me, there are ways to fudge the download numbers that make you a couple extra bucks and make it seem a lot bigger than it actually is. Now, some people truly do just have a billion listeners and a billion viewers. Joe Rogan or Pat McAfee, guys like that have these.

These big conservative podcasts, they have these, right these right slap dicks like myself who are sitting around in my underwear doing a podcast for you. I'm just fudging whatever I can and trying to steal a couple extra downloads to make a couple extra bucks while I'm trying to get by until I find a job. And then once I find a job, I'll feel more comfortable just actually investing time in doing this podcast. But because I think Jilly wants to get back into doing it, too, with me. So that'll be fun when we actually do that and get the stream and everything going again. And we were actually talking about that, I guess, yesterday. Hold on. Let me play a couple of commercials. How about that?

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Voidware prohibited. One per new customer. Bonus award. It is non-withdrawable pick six credits that expire in 14 days. Limited time offer. See terms at pick six dot draft kings dot com slash promos. Yeah, Jillian and i were talking about that maybe a couple days ago yesterday two days ago we were on a walk with ross and uh we started talking

about the pod because one of our friends who listened to the pod during the rona brought it up just randomly because actually you know what i think brought it up was we were looking at um you know like five years ago four years ago like seeing pictures that pop up in your memories on Facebook. And there'll be memories from like four or five years ago during the Rona, the heart of the Rona, when, you know, hey, tonight we're going to be doing Rock'em Sock'em Robots on Twitch. Or tonight we're going to be doing such and such. It's Hawaiian shirt party and boat drink party or whatever we did on Twitch. And it's not like a ton of people watch those. Like on a good night, you get 100, 150 people, however many people it was, watching it. But it kind of got us through, you know, during the COVID.

And a lot of people say that to me. They're like, you know, I really miss when you guys did those shows. And it's like, they ask, why don't you do those anymore? And I don't know that it would work. It was just kind of a time and place. Everybody was being held captive. It was a weird time. And since we were all kind of held captive and we had a captive audience, it made it easier to do it because people had nothing else going on. You know, I don't know that if I sat down on a Friday night or a Saturday night, um, you know, in 2025 on a Saturday night on Twitch or on YouTube and did a live show with the shit we were doing, I don't know if people would watch it. They may, they may not, you know. I don't know. But it was a lot easier to get people to watch that and be invested in it when we were doing it during the Rona.

So take that for what it is. But it was just a weird time and place. It was a weird moment in time. It was a shitty moment in time, really, because we were all being held captive and it was a bullshit time in the country and in the world. But like, I don't think that would ever happen again in terms of being able to have that kind of audience just locked into what you're doing because people actually have shit they can go do now and are not being held hostage. But that was a time. It really was. It was a time that you look back on and go, holy shit. Like now you kind of look at it and it's easy to look back on it and go, oh, those were some good times. During that, it didn't feel like good times. Being locked in your house, being told you couldn't go

for a fucking walk, having to follow arrows at the fucking grocery store, wearing masks everywhere, having to drive through places to buy your beer and shit. God, I remember when, and it wasn't too long into the pandemic, that Texas kind of opened up again. And like, you could start going to bars and shit. And I posted on Facebook about how it was a, um, like, Hey, good for Texas. Like, Hey, we're not going to be ruled by fear. And some radio guy commented on my Facebook that I'm like a right wing lunatic or some shit. And just this long ass paragraph about how terrible I am. And I'm like, it wing lunatic or some shit. And just this long ass paragraph

about how terrible I am. And I'm like, it was about that time in the world, Trump mixed with the Rona that everybody just lost their fucking minds. And now everybody's lost their minds and there's no coming back. Like I, Mike Meltzer will ask me this a lot. Cause I'll talk, comment on how people are fucking nuts and the world's nuts and I'll go, well, how do we fix it? And I say, Mike, we don't. It is unfixable. The genie is out of the bottle. I'm not trying to be super negative or bring you down on this Monday.

It's not fixable. We are a broken fucking people. And maybe there'll be a thing that'll kind of loop back around and things will shift and cultural norms will shift. And in 10 years, we'll be back to loving anti-heroes. It'll be like the late 90s again maybe so but right now in this kind of super politically correct environment that we're in now there is no fixing anything it is broken and there is too much money to be made in this world being

broken for both sides division is powerful division is making people rich on both sides of shit. I'm talking politicians. I'm talking media people, podcasters, all this shit. So there's no reason for people to want it to go back to the way it was because too many people are making money and gaining fame in being divisive. So why would they? If you're a right-wing lunatic or a left-wing lunatic or a zealot on either side, and you're seeing the kind of reaction you're getting from other zealots on that side, and I'm sure a lot of people who were nobodies before now find themselves with a little audience on social media. They start making money and bada-bang! Why would you go away from that?

Why would you want to change? You don't because you're getting rich off of it. Media people are gaining clout and recognition based on all of this. So if you're somebody and you were a nobody or just kind of a middling person before, but now you found a niche and being super right wing or super left wing, super divisive either way, super progressive, whatever it is you're doing, then why would you change? There's no incentive to change. If you're making money when you weren't making money before, why would you all of a sudden go, you know what? I think I like the way it was when I was making no money. Of course you don't. So there is no going back. The genie will not go

back in the bottle. It is out there. It's social media. It's YouTube. It's all this shit. And it's going to continue to be divisive. It's the for you column on Twitter. Like that's the world we're in now. And there's no incentive for anyone to change. So it's not. And Meltzer, who's my favorite, because he'll ask me a question. I'll respond. I won't hear back from him for hours, maybe days. And like, you know, I'll comment on something and he'll go, well, he'll go, God, how do we fix it? And I go, Mike, it is not fixable. And then, God, we're doomed. I'm like, yes, we're doomed.

That's the world, man. Like, that's just who we are. There's two, like people are in cults. They're in factions. And I like that these groups call the other side a cult when they're all fucking cults. We're all in these groups. We're all in these armies against each other. And it's terrible.

But it is what it is, man. And people are so willing to be open about the army or the cult that they're in. And it divides. Because there are a lot of people who are just kind of in the middle of all this shit that don't give a fuck. The me's of the world, right? Like, you could listen to this and go josh you seem to lean conservative in some of your views maybe so but you could also listen and say josh you lean pretty left in a lot of your thoughts yes i'm called a normal human being that's how most normal human

beings operate but we're just in this weird world now where the loudest people the people who are making the money the people that carry the biggest stick are the ones who are in these two divisive groups. And that's how this kind of operates. And what is the incentive to change? And some of these people are just fucking broken. Like, they're just people who are absolutely broken, many of whom are Trump derangement syndrome sufferers. I mean, I think this all really kind of started with Trump in 2015, 2016, and then the pandemic and everything else. And these people are broken and you cannot fix them. They are irreparable. They will not be fixed. So I mean, look at this. The Snow White movie came out, right? And I'm not going to see it

because I don't give a shit about Snow White. As a kid, I never really gave a shit about any Disney movies. I got friends of mine who, when they were kids that were like obsessed, even as adults obsessed with like the lion King, I'm like, I'm like, I was watching fucking porn when I was 10. I'm like, I'm a, I'm fucked up. I get that. I'm fucked up, but I don't care about the lion King. I was watching live action Disney movies. Now you tell me about like rookie of the year. I like rookie of the year. Do I really give a shit about the rescuers down under? No, I didn't really watch or care about cartoons when I was younger, but I got friends that are like really into Disney shit and they really love going to Disney World and they love all the Lion Kings and the Little Mermaids and all this shit. None of it means anything to me, but this Snow White came out and

it was a bomb, made like 40 something million dollars in the US, 77 across the globe, and it was a failure. It was a flop. And again, I don't know why anybody would want to watch this. Just stick to the original. But whatever. It is what it is. And the gal that's in this movie, there's a lot of controversy surrounding this movie. But the gal that's playing Snow White, real anti-Trump person, and as a lot of these anti-Trump people do, they will let you know that if you're a Trump person, you're essentially a piece of shit. That's basically what they do. There's a comfort level that these people have in their own little world of people, the anti-Trump people. Again,

I'm not absolving the Trump people either. They do fucked up shit sometimes too. But there is this kind of accepted thing in this country where if you're an anti-Trumper that you can say really vile shit about Trump people and then you're surprised when those Trump people tell you to go fuck yourself and your movie or your music or whatever tanks. There is a lot of truth whether you like Trump or not there's a lot of truth in the idea that everything woke turns to shit and what happens is you try to take these things that people love. A lot of people love Sleeping Beauty or Snow White or whatever. Yes, they're old fucked up Disney movies that have weird tropes of the 1930s and 40s like,

oh, this chick's knocked the fuck out, but this guy is going to kiss her and everything's going to be okay. Did he get her consent? Nope. Doesn't fucking matter. But there are a lot of people that love this shit. They love this old Disney shit and they're not watching it through the lens of Nick fucking Wright or, or CNN. They're watching it through the lens of I'm just a normal fucking

human being. And I like Snow White. I don't give a shit if Snow White has a fucking message. That's all people are doing. Most humans, nine out of 10 people, the quiet people, the people that put their heads down and go to work every day, not the people that are on social media, not the people that constantly bitch on social media, not the people that are fucking lunatics and swing the biggest sticks and get the most attention on the right or the left. No, the average person just watches shit because they want to be entertained and they don't give a fuck about the message. They don't care.

But what did Snow White do? Well, you know, we can't just go in and remake Snow White. We got to make sure that we let everyone know. We got to make it progressive. And then we got to beat everybody over the head with the idea that we're going to have a very progressive Snow White. Like, I think the chick that's playing Snow White is Latina. Some people didn't like that. I don't give a shit.

It's the same shit that happened when the gal played the fucking Little Mermaid and she wasn't a white red-haired girl. People get mad over dumb shit. That kind of shit doesn't faze me. Although the movie is called fucking Snow White and the chick sure as fuck ain't white. But it doesn't concern me and it doesn't bother me, right? But when people make these movies

or they make their music and they want to make sure that you know that if you voted for a particular person, you're a shithead and they don't care if you watch their movie or listen to their music. Then they're shocked after they talk shit about these Trump people that the Trump people decide not to go see their shitty movie or listen to their shitty music. And the animosity towards trump has killed movies and killed careers and you might say well that that's terrible of those people well what would you do someone talks shit to you and tells you you're terrible why would you give them your fucking money you wouldn't so i'm i'm with them if if again and it's the same kind of thing if i'm some sort of trump person and i say something

about some other group of people who voted for another politician and they don't want to go watch my kid rock show, then fuck them. That's their right. But that's kind of what we deal with here. So the girl that played Snow White apparently was basically saying back when Trump got elected the second time as well. I hope that those people never experience peace. And of course then disney calls and they're like what the fuck are you doing do you realize that like a hundred million people are voting for this fucking guy that's a hundred million potential viewers of this fucking movie

that we're spending all this money on and your dumb ass is over here like hey go fuck yourselves i hope you don't see my fucking movie and these people don't think they don't think and it's fascinating to me that they don't think like look I've done a lot of dumb shit in my life and I've said a lot of dumb shit and I've cost myself jobs by doing things that you might say Josh it should be pretty easy to not worry about that yet I still worried about it and I still got myself fired because I do dumb shit take it from someone who's done and said many dumb fucking things. You might say, Josh, you were making $250,000, $300,000 a year working at a shitty AM station in Houston

and all you couldn't do was stop talking shit about the Houston Rockets. All you had to do was not talk shit about the Houston Rockets and you would have your job, but you couldn't fucking stop. And then boom, you no longer had that $250,000, $300,000 a year job working on a shitty AM station that no one listened to. You were getting paid to work on a station that no one gives a fuck about. Yet you probably would

have still had that job if you could have just avoided a couple of small, simple little fucking things. And if you wouldn't have done it, you'd probably still be there. You might have countless dollars in the bank right now, but of course you couldn't help yourself because you're a fucking idiot and you couldn't do it. And that's how I feel when I see these people like the chick from Snow White. All you got to do is just not have an opinion on certain shit. Like I understand that we all want to have an opinion on shit and we all want to think that what we're saying is important. At the end of the day, it's not fucking important. You have a career, you want to make money, you want to make money for your family, whatever. Just shut the fuck up.

Now, if your job is to have an opinion on such things, like you're some CNN person or you're some Fox News person or you're Clay Travis or you're fucking Megyn Kelly or you're Rachel Maddow, that's different. But if you're somebody whose job it is to make people happy at the fucking movie, why would you tell 100 million people that they're dipshits? But I have a theory about this.

I have a theory. And my theory is people love to talk shit about the other group of people. In this case, Hollywood is very left-wing. So don't think I'm just trying to bully left-wing people or like trying to absolve the right-wing people or whatever. But here's how it works because you see it more from the left-wing side of things,

because that's what Hollywood is. Hollywood loves to make a movie, and they want to tell people that it's super progressive, and they want to tell a certain group of people that this movie is not for them. Then when that movie fails, they use that as the excuse. Well, it's because of the MAGAs. They didn't like our movie.

Well, you told them they were fucking imbeciles before the movie came out. Why would they go see it? Or it's like the shitty girl super bad movie uh book smart the one that olivia wilde directed right i was geeked for this movie and then i was told you know beforehand that like well you know a lot of people aren't comfortable with a woman director and an all-girl cast so if it doesn't do well it's this and it are sexist. And I'm like, no, it's because your fucking movie sucked. That's all. It's okay. It's okay. You made a shitty movie. I didn't like it. I, by the way, I went into it wanting to like it. I went into it seeing the preview. I didn't watch

the preview and go, no, two girls in a movie. Huh? I'm a man and I'm not here for this shit. No, I went into it saying, hey, it's fucking Jonah Hill's sister. The movie looks like it could be funny, but instead the movie tanked and it became men didn't like it. Therefore, it couldn't be successful because men are sexist.

Or the WNBA can't be successful because men are sexist or blah, blah, blah. These people all build in excuses. But what they do is they kind of set, it's like a preconceived thing. Like they go into it, letting you, like they tell a certain group of people that they don't want them to like it. So then when they don't like it, they can fall back on that and go, see, we told you that they didn't like it. It's like lady ghostbusters. I don't get like, I didn't dislike lady ghostbusters because it was ladies. I disliked it because it

was a fucking terrible movie with people I did not like. And for what it's worth, I didn't like the other remakes of the Ghostbusters with Paul Rudd either. So it's not, oh, he didn't like Lady Ghostbusters. Oh, he didn't like Lady Ocean's Eleven. No, it's not because the ladies are in them. It's just you're making the same fucking movie, but with ladies. And I don't like the movie. But that's Snow White, right? So, of course, the argument is, well, the Maggans, they didn't want to see our movie. It's because they can't handle Latina Snow White. And they don't like the progressive viewpoints and the digital dwarves and all this shit and whatever. And it's like, maybe, hear me out, just pipe the fuck down about what you think of politics and

then see what the movie does maybe don't go out and tell a group of people they're fucking idiots and i only say this because that's not really something right-wing people do the right-wing people have their core group of people like there's a lot of these like i'm talking about hardcore right-wing guys right like a kid rock you know what you're getting from kid rock kid rock's audience is going to be kid rock's audience there's no one that kid rock's going to alienate at this point right like kid rock has his group of people that dig kid rock he's not trying to be you know kid rock is not someone that needs to generate a billion dollars for a movie studio for that studio to be successful. Kid Rock just does Kid Rock shit. A lot of these right wing country guys or whatever guys, they just do what they fucking do and they

have their audience of people. You're at Disney. You can't point a finger and say, we only want these people at our fucking movie. That's a huge fucking company. That's big time shit. You can't just go out and go, MAGA people are terrible but please MAGA people come see my movie please come see me as Snow White hey the MAGA people will never know any peace but please come see Snow White opening in March they're just going to tell you to go fuck yourself and then what happens is you're the face of this epic bomb because you can't shut your fucking hole and just mind your fucking business about political shit or avoid. It's not even talking about politics at this point.

It's a personal vendetta that these people have against these MAGA people. Again, not saying the MAGA people like them either. They don't. But again, most of these MAGA people aren't depending upon the entire populace to make them successful. They are in a niche. So your right-wing people, they find themselves, Kid Rock has no problem putting himself in a niche,

in a group of right-wing people. That is his audience. If you're the girl from Snow White, you have 300-something million people in the country that you want to see your movie. You want every single person potentially doing that, and you're like, oh, by the way, this group of people doesn't want

any peace. The second you say that, you've taken about 100 million people who are going to deliberately not see your shitty movie now. So maybe your movie wouldn't have only made $43 million if you wouldn't have done that. Now, maybe it would have anyway, because a lot of these Disney live action weird remakes, some of them don't do well. Dumbo didn't do particularly well. Snow White and the Huntsman didn't do well. Some of them do. This Mufasa movie opened up terribly and then did a little bit better as time went on and ended up making some cash. But that's kind of an outlier.

But all that said, like, what do you think is going to happen when you alienate a group of people? And I know that's easy to say that and say, Josh, pot, meat, kettle. Look, I try to avoid a lot of political shit when it comes to like the radio job, right? Because I'm at that point in life now where I don't want to sit here and fight with people about goddamn politics on a show that's playing goddamn Billy Squire. I just don't give a shit about that. And look, I say this is someone who's fucked a lot of shit up in my day. So take it from me. Anyway, more to come.