The Josh Innes Show - Sometimes A Movie Is Just A Movie

Episode Date: April 11, 2025

I've been listening to a podcast called " You Must Remember This" which is about the first century of Hollywood. It's fine. But, the host is a movie critic and I think movie critics are extremely self important and try to find deeper meaning where no deeper meaning exists. Sometimes a movie is just a movie. I find myself annoyed by the double standards in country music. Random, I know. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I listened to a podcast called You Must Remember This, which is a podcast about like the first century of Hollywood and some of the stories and each season has kind of a theme, right? And I don't listen to all of it because some of the seasons don't seem that interesting to me. Like I listened to a season about Alfred Hitchcock that I thought was interesting. It's hosted by this movie critic. Her name is Karina Longworth. And for the most part, like it's fine. It's hosted by this movie critic. Her name is Karina Longworth. And for the most part, it's fine. It's listenable. When I was really in the heat of my door dashing, I would listen to this podcast for the two or three hours a day that I was dashing in the afternoon. And then the two or three hours I was door dashing at night. and I would listen to this podcast. And one season of it was called, I want to say Erotic 80s was the name of it.

And it was a whole, actually, I think there was a 70s one too, but it was Erotic 80s, and it was about erotic cinema of the 80s. And by that, I don't necessarily mean porn, but it would have, there was a fatal attraction and nine and a half weeks and there'd be whole kind of breakdowns of these movies and what they meant culturally and what they meant societally and all that and um you know I found myself listening to that whole stretch and I thought it was fine then I listened to some of the 90s and I started to get a little bit bored with it so I haven't listened to it in a while, but it's wild

to me how people look at movies as something other than just movies that people look at movies as if they are bigger pieces of societal issues. Right? So like this whole breakdown, like the one that really stands out to me was the breakdown of fatal attraction. And essentially the long and short of it was that like, you know, they had to make the crazy woman, the bad guy. And it's like, then they look for deeper meaning in this. And it really came to my mind yesterday. I was listening to some song on the radio. It was one of your typical country songs where like women are allowed to say that men are

pieces of shit and terrible. Yet like men are not allowed to sing about how women are pieces of shit and terrible. Right. Like, like that's just kind of like the go to thing. Just like sometimes go to comedy is, hey, white people are terrible. And that's like considered comedy. Right. Like it's the same kind of thing with men.

Like you're allowed to say that men are terrible in song. And that's kind of like the lazy trope of all women country singers, right? Like all of them have at least one song about how terrible a guy is or how about a guy broke your heart and he's terrible for doing it. But you never really hear men singing songs about how women are terrible. It's all songs about men begging the women to come back and it does in theory create this weird dynamic of like men are just guaranteed to be the dipshits and women are guaranteed to be awesome even though women can fuck around on men and men can get fucked around on and all that maybe men are just great sometimes the man's the dope that gets dumped but all it ever is is well the good old boy just didn't

realize what he had till it was gone and now he's got to spend time begging his lady to come back. And the lady's singing about how the man didn't realize what he had until I was gone. And now I'm over it. And that's what country music is. And it got me to thinking about this podcast I listen to. Because Jilly goes like, well, because then there's another song that I like, or this singer I like named Gracie Abrams, who has the voice of an angel. I think her music's just adorable.

It's great. And she goes, oh, but Gracie Abrams is allowed to sing about hating men. And I'm like, well, that's different, because this is all these country people have. There's two types of country songs. There's women who hate men because the men were terrible and their anthems for women. You know, there's a double-edged sword. Not even a double-edged sword, but hypocrisy out there, right? Like women are expected to be able to almost just oogle and grab on.

I remember what it is. I remember the whole concept of this damn song. I don't remember what the song is called. But let's talk about that after some commercial. All right, if you're ready to win some real cash during the basketball playoffs, you got to check out Pick 6 from DraftKings. When it comes to basketball payouts,

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slash promos. So the singer is, oh, I forgot. It's one of these songs that it's, it's, excuse me, you look like you love love me with this country girl singing this and they all sound the same they all sound like this doofus uh what's the damn girl's name that i hate that had the giant ass then started taking the ozempic and now she doesn't have an ass or at least it's a much smaller ass that chick that sings the heart like a truck song oh i despise this like this woman writes songs that are just made to be in television commercials like there's no meaning behind any of them she just performs these songs that are like yep that's gonna be good in a chevy spot heart like a truck and then

there's another song that has to do with trucks that happens to oh my god happens to be in another fucking commercial for trucks shocking i know but the song is uh excuse me you look like you love and the the basis of the song is that the chick is like in some honky-tonk or some bar some you know dive bar whatever the hell it is and she sees some guy that she thinks is attractive and she just like goes up and just starts hitting on him and like basically and just like forces him to dance with her and shit and i'm like that's fine i'm not offended by the concept of this this could go either way but i guarantee if there was some fucking song about some hillbilly that comes up and says hey ma'am you're gonna dance with me people be offended by it so why is that why is there this this this double standard? There's

double standards in every fucking thing in the world. And that annoys me. Hypocrisies and double standards annoy me. Maybe I'm just easily annoyed right now because I'm annoyed by life at the moment. So every single thing I listen to annoys me or see kind of annoys me and sets me off. But like I listen to this and I'm like, so this woman in this world of consent and everything else, me too, all this. This woman is just allowed to walk up to a guy and basically intimate that we're going to date now because I'm a damn woman and I can get whatever the hell I want. Here's what I've learned about all of these movements. I don't even know that people are truly offended by the actions of the people who previously did them. They just don't like that

they did them and now they want to do them. It's like racism, right? Like racism was a real thing. I don't know that people actually want to stop racism or they just want to give their group the power to be racist and say, ha, now we're the ones in power. It's like a weird phenomenon, right? The world's a strange place. And these are just thoughts that I have. This is not like I sit around and I'm journaling about this. But I think about these things often. Like, I don't think people truly want to, well, obviously people don't want to end racism because racism is big business for people. I don't even believe that racism is nearly the issue that people think it is. I think that a lot of people create racism because it keeps them employed in whatever it is they're doing.

It keeps them relevant in whatever they're doing. But I believe that in a lot of things. I believe people just create controversies and create enemies because you have to have an enemy. Like there was the discussion about the ratings for the women's basketball tournament. And now you get these right wing people who are all sorts of excited to let you know that Caitlin Clark wasn't beloved because Caitlin Clark was

white. Because if the race was the only issue, then Paige Beckers and UConn would have had higher numbers than, uh, Caitlin Clark, but they didn't. So therefore these people didn't just like Caitlin Clark because she's white. No, you didn't like Caitlin Clark just because she's white. You don't give a shit about women's basketball one way or the other. And neither do I. You don't give a shit about Caitlin Clark or Paige Beckers or Juju Watkins. You don't give a shit about any of these people. What you give about is that the black girl talked shit to the white girl and it gave you something to get angry about. So no, like if you said, said Josh do you think that people liked Caitlin Clark white Republican people that ran to social media do you think that Dave Portnoy likes Caitlin Clark because she's white and I'd say no I'd say that Dave Portnoy and Clay Travis

and other people like them enjoyed Caitlin Clark because Caitlin Clark had an enemy and that enemy happened to be black and she talked a lot of shit so So I don't believe it was an issue of, oh, they just love the white girl because they're right. They don't give a shit about Paige Beckers or give a shit about Haley Van Lith or any other white star player. Caitlin Clark just happened to be right place at the right time. And people seize that and they made it their like cultural thing like some of the shit I still see people say about Caitlin Clark is wild like I don't give a shit about Caitlin Clark but like I was watching some video where some of these former basketball player lady basketball players were talking about how they like Paige Beckers because essentially Paige Beckers kissed their ring and

acknowledged that she's only popular because she's white and i'm like why are we putting this in people's heads like why are we telling people that the only reason you have success at something is because of the color of your skin when it's not true the reality is no one gives a shit about women's basketball anyway so the fact that she's been able to ascend has nothing to do with the fact that she's white or that big gangly chick that's in the new balance commercials she's not popular because she's white and Angel Reese isn't popular because she's black. Like, like it's just fascinating to me that this is what we're doing to people. It's fascinating to me that we're telling people that like anytime you have success, that it's probably nothing you did. It's probably mostly to do with your

circumstances and the color of your skin, all while telling another group of people that they'll never be able to attain this because this people with this color of skin get all the advantages. And it's just bogus. Like it is bogus and it's a bad way to teach people things. It's terrible. Actually, it's bad for the group that you're telling is oppressed. And it's a bad that it's bad that you're telling this to people that have no fucking clue. As we talked about the other day, people aren't born racist, and they're not born thinking they're elite. They're not born caring about religion.

People are just born and they're brought into the world. They're not predisposed to thoughts on politics. They're not predisposed. They're not pre-programmed to feel some way about something, right? They're not pre-programmed to believe that the right-wing way is the better way. They're not pre-programmed to believe that they are inferior because of the color of their skin or that they are superior because of the color of their skin. That is taught. And we continue to teach this shit to people because it's all lazy people have because there's currency and being lazy and race baiting and being awful on the internet. And that goes both ways in this shit. There is too much in it for people to ever stop it. But when a baby comes out of a womb, there's probably a million babies being born right now. I often wonder these things.

Like sometimes I'm in the car and I'll see traffic and I'm like, how many people in the world right now are in a fucking car? Or how many people right now are taking a leak? Like, like that fascinates me. And I don't know why it fascinates me so much, but it does. Like the idea that there's people, like I'm taking a leak. If I'm taking a leak right now, are there 500,000 people in the country taking a leak? You would think there's got to be more. There's 300 million people in America. So like what percentage of people are going to the bathroom, pooing or peeing at this very moment? Tell me that's not fascinating to think about.

Tell me it's not. You can't because it is fascinating to think about. But I digress. But what we do is we take these things, like as I told you, I don't know a lot about religion because no one ever taught me about religion and I didn't seek out information about religion because it doesn't interest me. I wasn't just born and then one day it was like, by the way, here's Josh. And Josh was born with this pre-programming to believe that Catholics are the right religion or that Jews are terrible or whatever. I wasn't programmed that way.

You have to be taught that and you have to learn that. So what we're teaching people now, we're lazy and we're teaching people that one group is clearly superior. And if you don't achieve something in your life, it's because of them keeping you down. And the only reason they got somewhere is because they're white. Like Caitlin Clark, I couldn't give two shits about Caitlin Clark and real talk. I didn't know dick about Caitlin Clark until the Angel Reese thing happened. Like, that brought, like, you cannot deny it. That gave you an enemy, and people need an enemy, right? That's the only reason people cared about Caitlin Clark outside of Iowa and some women's basketball stands, right?

Like, the only reason that a lot of these people cared is because there was an enemy. You need an enemy. That's why you continue to hear stories like Trump. Trump is the enemy. If Trump weren't the enemy anymore, then what would these people have to rail and rally about? They wouldn't have it. You have to have an enemy. Hillary is the enemy. The liberals are the enemy. The right-wing people, like people have to have an enemy. And as long as people continue to have enemies, you're going to continue in this fucking spiral. That's why it goes back to when Meltzer asked me the question the other day. He asked, what do you think the political climate looks like in 10 years? More of the same. It will continue to look like this. That said, this entire conversation started

actually, now that I think about it with a talk about this this podcast I was listening to sorry about the diatribe but the podcast is called you must remember this and and she's breaking down fatal attraction and like there's all these layers and she's a movie critic and movie critics have to like feign being more important than they actually are you watch a movie you tell me if you think it's fucking good you move on to the next movie hey i give it four stars i give it two thumbs up i give it a seven popcorn buckets whatever but like you're not super deep but the problem is you get these movie critics and these movie critics are educated people who think that they like see deep into the fucking meaning of these movies sometimes a movie is just a fucking movie it's not an allegory

it's not a statement about something bigger going on at the world at the time it's just a fucking movie. It's not an allegory. It's not a statement about something bigger going on at the world at the time. It's just a fucking movie. But I'm listening to this and I'm listening to a breakdown fatal attraction and about how dangerous it is that we've created a world where like the woman who gets scorned, we have to portray her to be crazy. And that makes more movies about crazy women. And then men think women are crazy. I'm like, no, people went to the fucking movie, they watched the movie, and then they went the fuck home and that was that. Sometimes a movie is just a movie. Sometimes a song is just a song. Sometimes a television show is just a television show and that's okay. The problem is people always seek deeper meaning in everything. We need to have deeper meaning. We need to need to look at a bigger picture, existential breakdown of star

wars and what it means to the nuclear family. Maybe there is no other fucking meaning. I'd love to know the number of times a critic has written about like the deep meaning and like the allegory or whatever of a movie. And then they met the guy who wrote it or directed it and they're like yeah none of that's fucking true i just wanted to make a fuck film that's all i wanted to do there was no deeper meaning i wasn't searching for anything special it was a movie about it was a it was an alien movie and the fucking aliens came down from outer space and they probed some people and that was it there it's a fucking baseball movie there is nothing special about. I'm not trying to change the world. It's just a fucking baseball movie. I'd like to know the number of times somebody does that because people think they're

very important and they break down these movies and these songs and these TV shows. I want to talk to the people who are just like, no, I just thought this was an interesting story. I thought it was compelling. Like they get worked up up how dare you make the lady and fatal attraction crazy but you have no fucking problem the guy's the crazy one the guy's the super stalker or whatever that's cool but the second we turn the lady into a crazy person it's some sort of big catastrophe jesus christ that like it is fucking nuts remember this sometimes a movie is just a movie sometimes a tv show is just a movie. Sometimes a TV show is just a TV show. And sometimes a cookie is just a cookie, but Newton's are fruit and cake.