The Josh Innes Show - Taunting In The NFL?

Episode Date: June 24, 2025

Cam Jordan of the New Orleans Saints wants taunting to be allowed in the NFL. I'm with him. I'm sure most fans are as well. Speaking of the NFL and rules, I've got a few things that need to be changed. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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celebrate he says, I'm a big Cam Jordan guy. He's kind of the the last remaining dinosaur of the New Orleans Saints when the New Orleans Saints had their kind of second Renaissance, right? They had that Renaissance initially with Sean Payton from 06 to about 13, right? Then you got to that stretch and I guess it was 14, 15, 16 where they went 7 and 9 every year and the defense was historically bad with Rob Ryan and then the new Renaissance started after two losses in 2017 things turned around 1718 1920 that that four year stretch there where the Saints were back and should have gone to a Super Bowl didn't end up going to a Super

Bowl if the dickhead tight end doesn't drop a pass against the Bucks. Maybe they beat the Bucks at home in a playoff game in that stretch as well. They lost to the **** Vikings twice in the playoff that stretch as well. But that was like the apex, the second Saints Renaissance. And it was amazing. And Cam Jordan was part of that. And I've always been a Cam Jordan guy is a likable guy, good community guy. His podcast, he had a podcast and I forgot, was it called trust something trustue? I forgot what the podcast was called but he did a podcast with Mark Ingram for a while and some of it was really

good. One of the best episodes of a podcast you'll ever hear was the episode and I believe it was him, Mark Ingram and Jameis Winston and it was phenomenal. So if you ever get a chance to check that out. I think it's called Trust is it called let me look I'll look it up for you just to make sure but I think it's called Because I want people to listen to this because it was funny. It was called It's called trust level. Yes trust levels with Cam Jordan and Mark Ingram. It was a good podcast They had some good interviews. I think eventually things like that run out of steam If you you know, the guys doing it get bored interviewing their buddies so I don't know how long it went but I know that I was laughing my ass off at that podcast

if you ever want to check it out at least the one with James Winston a couple of weeks ago actually speaking to Jamis Mark was talking about how he wanted the Saints to bring back James Winston and as we've discussed on here many times the Saints could have ridden with James Winston and not paid Derek Carr and probably have gotten the same results for a lot cheaper and now they have no quarterback of which to speak. I would be totally in favor of them going to get getting Jamis. They're gonna suck one way or the other so you might as well give it one shot with Jamis because he's a likable guy, he's a nice guy, the city loves him, he loves the city, give it a shot. Good dude too. Like I understand the guy has a history and who knows what he did or didn't do. We know he stole some crab legs or whatever and

he makes jokes about that. Like he was throwing crab legs out of a like a float at Mardi Gras or whatever it was during the Super Bowl and there's this allegation that he inappropriately touched somebody in an Uber or something. The guy seems like a doofus but I think that he seems like a truly nice individual and there aren't a lot of people like that. I'm sure part of what he does is an act but it doesn't feel that way. It just kind of feels like he's just a doofus. Some people put on a doofus act.

I think he's just naturally kind of a doof. When you look at where he grew up, and like basically grew up in a shack and they didn't have running water and they'd have to like go pee in buckets. Like, like you kind of get the vibe that the guy is legitimate in the way he carries himself. But anyway, Cam Jordan has a pretty good idea for the NFL. And we will talk about that after these words. Whether it's a family member, friend or furry companion joining your summer road trip, enjoy the peace of mind that after these words. From now until June 30th, lease the 2025 Volvo XC60 from 1.74% and save up to $4,000.

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Visit Specsavers.ca for details. Conditions apply. Alright, so he wants to let the players taunt. Let's read this story here. Quote, for fans, I think it's the excessive celebration Jordan said when asked about the worst penalty in the NFL today at Fanatics Fest over the weekend. Jordan spoke as a guest alongside comedian Keegan-Michael Key at the events. Why Draymond Green talking about football with Jordan Schultz segment. The veteran explained he wants players on both sides of the ball to be able to celebrate

after making big plays. Jordan and Key noted how hard it is to score a touchdown in the NFL in their argument for offensive player celebrations. Meanwhile, Jordan outlined exactly how he would like to celebrate racking up sacks, of which he has tallied 121 and a half during his 14-year playing career. Quote, I get a sack on a quarterback, give me five seconds. In fact, put the spotlight on me. I'm going to hit the levels.

I'm going to hit one of these, kick him while he's down and go about my way. Nobody would bitch about that. Now what happens is you get old man yells at Cloud Guy. And actually, here's how it works. I'm not even going to throw old man yells at cloud guy under the bus here. Here's how it works. We all love celebrations until someone is doing it against our team. If our guy is doing it, we love it.

When Neil Smith would do it, I don't know if you guys remember Neil Smith, but he played for the Chiefs and the Broncos. Neil Smith, how many sacks did Neil Smith have? He had to have had a pretty good number. He and Derrick Thomas were like the ultimate duo because you had linebacker Derrick Thomas, you had defensive line Neil Smith. I used to have a poster on my wall that said rush hour and it was Derrick Thomas and Neil Smith. I'm going to guess Neil Smith had to have had over 100 sacks, right? Let me see here. Neil Neil Smith let's see how many he had and boy when he left the Chiefs I was heartbroken. Neil Smith how many career sacks did he have?

104 and a half did Neil Smith so 104 and a half career sacks and he had a very distinctive celebration when he would get a sack he'd call his shot and then swing a baseball bat like an imaginary baseball bat that was his celebration and that was freaking awesome. Now, unless you play for the Broncos and he sacks John Elway, you think his celebration sucks and you think all celebration should be banned. That's how we are as people. We all love taunting when our guys are the ones doing the taunting. If you rooted for the Miami Hurricanes in the mid to late 80s and early 90s You loved every ounce of the shit that they talked Every ounce of shit they talked you loved it. You loved the taunting you loved the throat slash You loved the crotch grabs the pelvic thrusts all that shit

You loved it If you played for Nebraska if you played for Notre Dame you fucking hated it because those weren't your guys That's how we are as fans. That's how we watch sports. Like the number of times you'll see like I hate Juan Soto. When Juan Soto is in the box and when he was with the Washington and they were playing the Astros in the World Series, you have to kept hearing about how he's 19 years old. Can you believe this guy's only 19 years old? And you

would watch him at the plate and when you get to a certain count, he would do that little move in the box and like start shimmying and you're like ah go fuck yourself. Well you know what it is it's the line in Major League Two when they signed Jack Parkman and early in the movie when the Indians have Jack Parkman you got Bob Euker saying oh Parkman doing his little shimmy it drives the ladies here in Cleveland wild then when he plays for the White Sox there's Parkman doing his little shimmy. It drives the ladies here in Cleveland wild. Then when he plays for the White Sox, there's Parkman doing his little shimmy. It makes all the women in Cleveland want to puke. Like that's how celebrations are. But in the bigger picture, there should not be penalties for excessive celebration. And by the way, there is a double standard on that as well, because offensive players seemingly get to do whatever the fuck they want a lot of the time they can drop

the ball they can do the first down sign they can do all this other shit where a defensive player if you stand over a guy for making a tackle somehow you're a piece of shit you get a 15 yard penalty to me the bigger issue though if you want to talk about the biggest issues and officiating and football the biggest rules that are lame the 15 yard penalties for roughing the passer because when you see most of these like the number of times you'll see a guy not even make contact with a dude, they'll just get the call because

it's a hard hit. I think those are bullshit calls. I'm all about keeping the legs safe for the quarterback. So if you want to make sure guys not getting taken out at his knees, I'm good with that. And I imagine most players are most players would rather get hit in the head than get hit in the legs. You can play if your head's dinged up. You can't play if your legs are broken. So you know guys are going to do that and be fine with that. So I get all those

rules but you should have a situation where it I think that all roughing the passer penalty should be instantly reviewed. So like I don't mind like pass interferences because those are very tough to call and those are like, but most of the time in a roughing the passer or a targeting or whatever you're calling a helmet to helmet call, that should be instantly reviewed. It shouldn't require a guy to go under the hood and look. They should instantly the second a guy is the second a

quarterback is hit hard and a flag is thrown. If the flag isn't thrown, fuck it, right? Like if they're not going to throw the flag. But if a flag is thrown and play is stopped, instantly we should know if that's going to be a roughing the passer or not. We should know it instantly because they should be able to look at it in two seconds. When we look at the replays at home, they should be able to have that technology to look at it without stopping play or anything. It could be just a situation where the ref holds up his hand for 10 seconds, they get the call in, it is a roughing the passer. It shouldn't be some long, dramatic thing, right? That to me is the biggest issue when you deal with roughing the passer penalties. Also, I do think the league should take a strong look into some of the shit the UFL

does. The UFL is not special football by any means, but I am a huge proponent of changing the kickoffs to closer to what you do in the UFL. I like the fact that they tried to change the kickoff with the NFL. I think it's fine. But if you're going to keep doing what you're doing with the NFL kickoffs, punish them. We talk about this all the time. Punish them by saying if you're going to try to boot through the end zone or whatever, get the ball up to 40, make it a real risky thing and force them to kick the ball into that little square and give us more returns.

And if they get past that initial line, you're going to see more return touchdowns and arguably the most exciting play in football is a return touchdown. Go back and watch Dante Hall doing what he was doing in Kansas City where he was returning punts and kicks for touchdowns. It's a game changing play. I also would like to see them work in the complete 20 yard pass, one pass for 20 yards instead of an onside kick. I think they've eliminated the fact that you have to tell teams you're kicking it onside, I believe, but they should at this point go to that idea of throwing the ball for a first down for 20 yards on that instead of kicking the onside kick. You'd have a much better chance of doing that. Imagine if you had like Justin Jefferson on your side or you

had you had you had Jamar Chase and Joe Burrow who needed to complete 120 yard pass to get a first down to get the ball. How big would that be? How much fun would that be? And what strategy do you use if you're the defensive team in that situation? That's a great idea. Like I like that a lot. Like you and maybe you can only do it once a game. Like you can't do it every situation but like once a game you can use that if you're gonna or just whenever you're gonna kick it

on site. But like what if teams just decided to do it every time they scored? Like what if you got going to or just whenever you're going to kick it on side but like what if teams just decided to do it every time they scored like what if you got some sort of like chip Kelly like wacko that was like hey we're just going to do this every time because we think we can complete a 20-yard pass against you that'd be fun and that would be different evolve i think that's a really cool thing to do and i think you should be allowed to kick one field goal per game off of a tee, which is the thing I will fight for forever. Can you imagine the game on the line? You get a return in your own 25-yard line and you're like, shit, we're down two, but whatever.

You're like, well, you can kick one field goal off a tee and if it makes it through the uprights, you win. You end up kicking like an 85-yard field goal to win the game. That's fun and dramatic and good. There are things that can be changed that make this stuff better. So but as far as the the idea of the taunting, I'm also with you. Like, well, what about the kids? These kids are assholes. Now, do you see the way these like do you watch these videos on Instagram where you see dumb kids

like the way Little League Baseball players act now, they've all got their little sliding mitt in their back pocket and their weird eye black and like chains and shit and they're like they bat flip. I'm like, dude, if I would have bat flipped when I was like 10 years old, someone would have kicked my ass. My dad probably would have kicked my ass. So it is a kick like some parents need to kick their kids ass because your kids look like assholes, right? But I don't believe that you know it's

going to be bad for society if you know some guy talks some shit to a player after tackling the guy you're out there you're busting your ass you're knocking dudes on their ass talk a little bit of shit. Then again it's also not like like I don't believe that that Cam Jordan gets called for taunting when he does his level celebration when he gets a sack like you're allowed to celebrate shit. So I don't know what would constitute taunting, like standing over a guy? If that's the case, you should be allowed to stand over a guy. Talk some shit to him. Anywho, more to come.