The Josh Innes Show - Texans Fan Rips Other Texans Fans

Episode Date: November 12, 2024

I saw a guy post on Twitter that he's a Texans season ticket holder and was disgusted with the crowd at the Lions game. I don't like to bang on fans for choosing what to do with their money. If you want to go to games, then go to games. If you don't want to go, then don't. That said, if you're going to go to the games, make the most of it. Also, I despise new stadiums. I have some thoughts on other stadiums and my experiences. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Jesus Christ, what kind of FM DJ shit was that? God, laugh talking. God, who does that? God, I feel like an asshole. There's part of me that just wants to restart this podcast now because I'm ashamed of the fact that I just laugh talked. But I'm not going to do that because I want you to see me warts and all. If you can't love me at my worst, you don't deserve me at my best. So I was looking at this tweet that this gentleman sent out. It's Texans related. Of course, the Texans lost to the Lions in epic fashion.

I mean, that loss was kind of like one of those 2010 Texans losses where they go 6-10 that year. And they just found every epic way to lose. They'd blow big leads. They would have Hail Marys go against them. I mean, just everything that could go wrong in 2010 went wrong. And that was one of those type of losses. But this person is ranting about the Texans.

And it says, oh, one last rant. Texans fans are pathetic first year season ticket holder every game fans are late as hell fans don't follow the jersey theme when there is one and there is an insane amount of away fans now I'm going to read some of the responses to this they're you know 30 40 responses but I will give you my response to this first now you know that I am not someone who likes to bang on fans for attending games or not like I just think that's lame low-hanging fruit like how dare you not go to the game because look some people don't have the cash some people don't want to go to games some people prefer to sit on their couch and watch red zone and flip back and forth

there's a lot of reasons why people do go or don't go to games, right? So I'm never going to be a person that sits here and dogs somebody because they decided not to attend a game. But if you are at a game, I'll dog you if I think that your behavior is not becoming of a big game atmosphere. Example, if you look at LSU this weekend, that place was jacked and loud and the fans were into it. Then things went their way and people started throwing water bottles and other bottles on the field and I think you're shitheads.

There's no place for that. There's no need to do that. So I'll rip you for it, right? I'll never rip you for not going because again, people have all their own reasons for it. But once you're in the stadium I feel like that's the place that you can critique the way people handle themselves during the game so for example when jelly and I went to the Colts game a couple of weeks ago

kickoff happens and the stadium seems to be about 70 percent full it's not loud people aren't interested they're not engaged in the game at all. Big moments in the game, no one's standing up. If you stand up, you feel like you're in somebody's way, like you're bothering them. There will be people there that try to get you into the game, and then people just look at them like they're dipshits, so they kind of lose their interest in it. And it's not like I was sitting up in the upper deck where people might feel like their noise or their interest in the game serves no purpose. I was in the 500 level, but I mean, I wasn't up in the heavens. It's just the atmosphere was not that of a big game with the division on the line. And I told you, I've been to three NFL stadiums this year.

We've talked about this. We went to the season opener in Indianapolis, and that crowd was into it. It was loud. We were a little bit late getting to our seats, but it was loud. People were into it. It was noisy. The fans were engaged, right? That was fun. Week three of the NFL season, we went to New Orleans, which when it's right and rock in the dome is the loudest venue I've ever been in. Go to the 2019 NFC championship game. First drive where Jared golf turns the ball over. I've never been in a louder stadium in my life. It's and that's, that's what 72,000 people I've been in tiger stadium in Baton Rouge, but there's 103,000 people people and it's not been louder than that. Then we went

to the Texans game, Texans Colts at NRG. And it was like, it was a completely different sport in terms of how interesting the venue was, how loud it was, how engaged the fans were. It was like the other two were playing football and this was just it was like tennis like i don't know how to explain it now i get that a lot of people go they party outside they have a good time the tailgating is great i won't dismiss that that's the perk of just having giant parking lots where you can tailgate whereas like in new orleans for instance the tailgating is not great because you're literally just parking on city streets and it's hard to find good tailgating. There still is some, but it's not there. Indianapolis, there really was no tailgating for the most part, but they had great bars and everything that you can go to before the

game. So that was fun. NRG has got a great setup for tailgating, 100%. But in the venue, the crowd lacks. It is boring. It's not fun. I hate stadiums that do the, that's a insert team first down. Like I hate all that kind of shit. Even in New Orleans, they do it, but it's kind of like, you know, it's at least made unique

because they say move dim chains and like it's kind of at least unique to the area and it's not just a, that's another Arkansas Razorback first down right like that kind of shit annoys me too uh and I haven't been to every NFL stadium and it's always not it's also not fair to gauge how some of these stadiums are because it depends on if their team is good at that time like there's a lot of factors that go into it but when we went to uh an eagles redskins at the time game in uh washington it wasn't impressive the link can get loud and at least they're engaged uh i went to the new meadowlands and it's a giant waste of time i've been to arrowhead and it's

really fucking loud and fun um i've never seen a pro game in dallas but i've been to the that stadium and it just doesn't interest me i I'm not interested in new stadiums. I know that people make a big deal out of this as if the fan benefits from a brand new stadium. To me, the fan benefits more from a stadium that's got personality, maybe run down a little bit. They're talking about building a new stadium in Kansas City, and it might end up being built in Kansas because the Royals want a new ballpark and the Chiefs want a new ballpark. To me, it ain't the Chiefs without Arrowhead Stadium. If you take the Chiefs and you put them in a benign, sterile, uninteresting building that looks exactly like the rest of these new fucking stadiums that have all the clubs and all the suites and all the bars,

none of that means anything to me. I'm there to watch a fucking football game. Like, I don't know how difficult this is. Like, you build shopping malls and you're like, oh my God, I can't wait to go. And then you rip older stadiums. You know what's gonna really lose a lot of its pop? The bills. When you put the bills in this brand new stadium

and you dump them out of the stadium they're in now, it's not gonna be the same. Part of that is the excitement, the fun. You're making people too comfortable at games. Hasht fun. You're making people too comfortable at games. Hashtag you're making people too comfortable at games. Like the link I think is a good mix of kind of like because it's an older stadium for a newer stadium. So it's about 20 years old. The link is pretty good for that because it's still outside.

Being indoor stadiums also really impacts that. Like I'm watching the Rams last night, and I'm like, how do you go to that stadium and feel like you're at a football game? It doesn't. It's just this big, shiny, shopping mall-looking building that it's sterile on the inside, and you share it with another team anyway.

And, like, nothing about it interests me. And I get it. Like, they're going to build a new one in Nashville. I think the Nashville stadium's the worst in the NFL. Nothing about it interests me. And I get it. They're going to build a new one in Nashville. I think the Nashville stadium is the worst in the NFL. It's just a dumpy, old erector set looking stadium from the mid-90s. But once you put a football team in these brand new beautiful palaces that everybody claims they want, you're going to lose some of the fun. A, because it's going to price a lot of people out.

You put people in these new stadiums, these brand new Vegas, LA, Dallas. Minneapolis has survived that. Minneapolis still has the same vibe. But a lot of these cities, you put them in these brand new, state-of-the-art, very sterile stadiums, it's not the same. That's why as a Saints person, I love the Dome. And they've gone in and they've widened the concourses and added more bars.

To me, it would not be the fucking New Orleans Saints if the Saints played in some brand new $2, $3, $4 billion fucking stadium in the middle of Metairie. It would not be the New Orleans Saints. The New Orleans Saints are the Dome. It's the grimy, gritty, circular hand washing stations in the bathroom, dudes fighting in the upper deck. That's a football game to me. That's what I grew up with when I was a kid going to NFL games. That's what I experienced. All right, if you're ready to win some real cash during the basketball playoffs, you got to check out Pick 6 from DraftKings. When it comes to basketball payouts, DraftKings Pick 6 posterizes the competition, including prize picks. It's a very simple concept.

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International. I don't need brand new, beautiful ballparks. I'm not going, especially for football. Football, I'm not there for comfort. I'm there to get fucking loud and root for the team baseball it's different because there's 82 games or 81 games at home and you're you know you're sitting around you're kind of talking with your buddies you're going to bars baseball's different because baseball will never have that edge of your seat excitement unless it's the playoffs the crowd doesn't really matter at a baseball game who fucking cares right but in foot and basketball all the arenas are all just basically the same goddamn place like there's nothing special about arenas anymore like i went to joe lewis arena the last year it was in existence me and jilly went to see the flyers

there it was a sunday played sunday afternoon we watched a bears lions game at a bar in downtown detroit and then after that we went to the flyers game We came out of the Flyers game at Joe Lewis. It was a fucking blizzard. It was awesome. And it was an old, dumpy, shitty arena. And I get why they had to build a new, less dumpy, less shitty arena. But there's something charming about those arenas. Like when you're going to a game, you're not choosing whether or not you're going to see a game because the stadium fucking sucks. You're doing it because it's really based on whether or not the team fucking sucks, right? The stadium does not matter. The Kansas City Chiefs, if they were 0-10 right now or 0-9 right now, people wouldn't be as excited to go to the game as they are because they're undefeated. It doesn't matter

if Arrowhead Stadium is brand fucking new and you build a new stadium that looks like the one in LA and Las Vegas and Minneapolis, none of that matters. What matters is the product that's on the inside. So you build these just benign, sterile, industrial type structures like this. And then you're surprised when it's not interesting. Every Cowboys game I ever see on TV that's in Dallas, it does not look like a fun game to be at. It just looks like it's boring and drab and just kind of like whatever. There's a thousand other things to do.

Hey, here's a play place over here. Here's an arcade over here. It's not fun. That's not what I'm here for. I want grit and fucking grime when I go to a football game. Baseball, have whatever you want. Basketball, put it in whatever shitty arena you want to put it in.

They're all the same. Football should be gritty, grimy, in your fucking face. That's what a football stadium should be. You mean to tell me people in Kansas City are going to stop going to games if they don't get a brand new fucking stadium in Kansas? Hell no. That's what makes it charming. Arrowhead Stadium, the Superdome those kind of whatever the hell they call the same high mark stadium or whatever it is in buffalo those shitty venues and the people that fill those shitty venues older venues those are the ones that make it man but what happens is you're going to price everybody out you're going to build some brand new state-of-the-art stadium that only benefits really one fucking person, and that's the owner. And the other owners in the league are all going to make money off of it.

The average Joe doesn't benefit from a brand new stadium. You go, wow, it's a brand new stadium. This is cool. We going to the game? No, son, we're not going to the game because it costs too fucking much to buy a PSL to get into the stadium. Well, dad, can we go? No, we can't go because the beer is $25 fucking dollars because they had to build a $4 billion

stadium when the stadium they already had was fine. The stadiums don't fucking matter. They matter to the owners. That's it. As a fan, I like the opportunity to feel like I'm in this kind of like world that's just fucking ours. You know what Cowboy Stadium looks like? It looks like the stadium in LA. You know what the LA stadium looks like? It looks like the fucking stadium in Vegas. You know what Cowboy Stadium looks like? It looks like the stadium in LA. You know what the LA Stadium looks like? It looks like the fucking stadium in Vegas. You know what the Vegas Stadium looks like? It looks like the one in Minneapolis. All you're doing is building the same fucking thing with a different paint job over and over and it benefits no one. It looks pretty. It looks nice. There's a fucking football game that's happening. that's what you're supposed to be fucking focused on that's why like even in Houston now we've got one of the older newer stadiums built in the early 2000s before like this new wave of these stadiums being built and I'm sure they'll probably get a

new one at some point too because the rodeo and blah blah blah right maybe they'll bulldoze this fucker to the ground and build another one I don't't know. So it's not like a state-of-the-art, over-the-top stadium. It kind of has old stadium feel to it. But it just... Houston, just in all that, after that long rant, all this goes back to that initial point of this, which was the tweet that I was reading from the gentleman who said he's a first-time season ticket holder this year,

and the Texans fans are pathetic in all caps. They're late as hell. Fans don't follow the jersey theme when there is one and there's always an insane amount of away fans. All right, let me address some of those two and then I'll read some of the responses this guy got and I'll respond to those. Yes, the fans are late as hell and no, there's not an excuse for it. The excuse we get from people all the time is, well, traffic sucks. Traffic sucks everywhere. There's not an NFL stadium that you can go to where there's not going to be traffic getting into and out of it. Yes, I know the location's kind of strange. It's not like in a Kansas City where you're kind of out in the burbs or you're in a situation like Philly

where every stadium is centrally located and it's just a bunch of big fucking parking lots, fine. You know who doesn't have a hard time getting into the stadium on time for games? Saints fans, Eagles fans. They have no problem with that. So don't feed me the bullshit about, well, you know, traffic sucks.

Bullshit. Wake your ass up at eight in the fucking morning on Sunday and drive to the fucking stadium, sit in a little bit of traffic, park, and let's go. Oh, but we leave early because the traffic is bad. Traffic is bad everywhere. There's not a stadium in the world that you can leave and not be stuck in some form of traffic. It's not unique to fucking Houston. It's not special to Houston. It's everywhere you go. Oh, but traffic sucks. That's why we leave with five minutes

to go in a one-score game. No, you leave five minutes to go in a one-score game because you don't give a shit. And that's the bigger issue that the Texans, I think, face. And it's still going to take a couple of generations to come around. And it would take some big-time winning, like we've seen with the Astros for things to come around the issue you run into is you still got a bunch of people like if you're 38 like me that means that you grew up

with the Oilers and the Oilers are your team and you can't get over that and I get that like I like you know I respect people that watch the St. Louis football cardinals, the Big Red, and they can't get over the fact that that team left in 1988. There are people in St. Louis that can't get over the fact the Rams left. So when you grow up with multiple generations of people rooting for a team, it's hard to adopt that. I think that's always been the case. When I got there in 2009, the franchise was only seven years old.

So you were still fighting that war of fighting you know people that still viewed the Oilers as their team that's hard like again it might sound ridiculous and absurd to say this as an adult man but you'll never forget the team you rooted for when you were a kid that's part of you so when they took your team away and it's like but here's this team and it's neat that they're here and I like their stepdad. They are the stepdad. You know what? You like your stepdad. You respect your stepdad.

If he's a good stepdad that, you know, takes you to Chuck E. Cheese and shit, you like him. But you don't love him like you love your dad. And the Oilers were dad. So there's a lot of people that will always feel that way. I don't know that Houston will ever become a Texans town. And it will certainly take multiple generations of people to get it there. It will also take a lot of winning. Like people talk about the Astros and their crowds.

Trust me, the Astros have a good fan base. But the Astros fan base has exploded since they became the best team in baseball for the last decade. That'll do it. Winning multiple World Series. Going to other World Series. Becoming dominant. Being the enemy of the league. That made the Astros much larger than they were. They were fine. And they had big fans. They'd won games before. But this was different. So the Texans have never won at a high level consistently. They're still new money. They're only 20 plus

years into their existence. So you're counting on more generations getting older and being truly invested. And the traffic thing is bullshit. Fans don't follow the Jersey theme when there is one. Because Jersey themes are fucking stupid. Like when teams do whiteouts. Like Penn State, it's a whiteout game. It looks cool, but who gives a fuck? Like I don't want to be told what to wear to go to a game.

Like I'll put on whatever shirt fits. I'm fat. I got three shirts that fit. If one of them happens to not be white tough shit you know like those are the kind of things that mean very little to me like oh they don't wear the shirt like that doesn't matter there are moments it looks neat and when something like that happens in unison it does look cool but to me that's not one that like I would highlight and say they don't wear the color of the shirt that they should well I don't want to there's an insane amount of away fans well Detroit's a bad one to use for that because Detroit has just decided Lions fans are going

to take over every stadium they go to last year when the Saints were sputtering they played the Lions in the dome and they got throttled I was listening to the game on the radio and it was as if it was in Detroit. And what's happening is these Detroit people are having their moment. They've waited 70 years to have a moment where they are clear cut one of the elite teams in the NFL. And they've waited for this. It's almost like they just like put money away every year until they were good and now have just this just giant surplus of cash and what they want to do is go out and spend that cash every opportunity they can to see the Lions play on the road so yes you saw the number of Lions people at the game on Sunday and it was bonkers but don't think that's unique to a Lions game in Houston. New Orleans, best home field arguably in the NFL.

When the Lions played there, it was a fuck ton of Lions people. Everywhere you go, the Lions people invade. They are the new invaders. They come to town and they take pride in it and they want to take over your city, take pictures everywhere. That's who the Lions are now. This is their moment. Everybody I know that's associated with Detroit or they're a fan of the Lions, friends of mine that I see on social media or I talk to, they are celebrating the fact that this is finally their time to shine. They're giddy about it. They're excited about it. They love it. So they're finding ways to get to these games. And they are loud and they are vocal. Don't forget they're a heritage franchise just because they haven't won a Super Bowl. They're not new money in the sense that like, oh, they've been in the league for 20 years. They've been in the league

forever. So they've got a huge fan base. Detroit's a passionate fucking city. That's why their sports radio ratings are through the fucking roof. They're passionate. They just historically have a lot of shitty teams. If you don't name the Red Wings. Or the Pistons have had their moments. And I get all that. But for the most part, football's been awful. Baseball up and down, but a lot of downs. Hockey, great for the most part.

Original six. And basketball has had its ups and downs. Late 80s, great. Early 2000s, great. But for the most part, crappy. They're a passionate place, and now they're finally having their moment. Let's read some of the responses. Can you blame them?

Trophy case and banners are full of AFC South champs, not a single AFC championship game appearance, one of four teams to never make it to a Super Bowl. You've got to earn your fan base. One, it's unfair to say that because they haven't made a Super Bowl that they must suck and they're one of four teams. Well, you're one of four teams that's never made it to a Super Bowl. Two of those teams that's never made it to a Super Bowl, you and Jacksonville are relatively new. You being the youngest franchise ever or currently. So I don't think that's fair. The Super Bowl thing thing and also bitching about AFC

South championship banners would you prefer they didn't fucking have them I don't know like I get you got to win more and win more consistently but like this kind of like definitive you got to earn your fan base well I mean like for the most part the Texans the first half of their existence were pretty worthless since then there's been a lot more highs than lows. It just so happens you run into the Patriots who are great with Tom Brady. Like, you're not them. But, like, the franchise hasn't been dog shit for most of it. But, again, the bigger issue is that they are a young franchise and they're having a hard time getting people in a passive city that big picture does not give a fuck about sports.

Big picture. This guy says, oh yeah, I forgot that Detroit, Chicago, and New York is just full of accomplishments. Stop fucking giving excuses. It's goddamn pathetic. I agree with that. It was absolutely embarrassing how loud the Lions fans were at the game. Well, I get that. But again, if you understand and follow it at all,

you would know that they do that everywhere. The coach, Dan Campbell, claims that they caused a Texans false start with how loud their fans were. It happened with the Bills there. The Bills are another team that invades. Most season ticket holders just sell their tickets to away fans that live in Houston now. Maybe so.

It's the same at a lot of other stadiums. Do some traveling. Also, most of those fans live here. It's almost as if Houston is one of the largest hubs in the South. Well, it is. Kendall, you bring up a good point. The real issue is season ticket holders sell their tickets for big money to teams that travel well.

And you know what? They have the right to do that. It's kind of part of it. It's kind of part of the game, bro. It's the way it works. But there weren't a lot of Colts fans in the stadium when I went to the game earlier this year. It was just a bunch of Texans fans sitting on their hands being uninterested. That was the bigger issue in that game. Teams like Detroit are going to travel. Pittsburgh's going to travel. They have big fan bases fan bases well Pittsburgh's got a huge fan base Buffalo's got a huge fan base

Detroit has a fan base now that just wants to fucking travel that's the way it works and Houston's a passive kind of transient city we know this I mean look the Rockets have been the most successful franchise up until the Astros doing this Astros stuff

the Rockets are the most successful franchise up until the Astros doing this Astros stuff. The Rockets are the most successful franchise in the city, and trust me, there's a shit ton of empties when those games start too. It's just Houston. It's a big city filled with a lot of people who came to the city that root for other teams. They lost their team. It's just the way it goes. All right.

My voice is kind of going out on me so let me get this posted before I'm completely lacking a voice I gotta have a call today and shit so anyway love you guys