The Josh Innes Show - The Difference Between Jason Kelce and Pat McAfee

Episode Date: September 26, 2024

This morning I saw a quote from Pat McAfee that resonated with me. This quote led me down the path of discussing McAfee and how I really love what he does. It seems many people are getting sick of seeing Jason Kelce. I also have a list of places I felt I was celebrated versus where I was tolerated. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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let me see if I can find the exact details on this. I want to make sure I properly credit this person who did this. But one of our listeners has kept track of all of my prop bets on a spreadsheet this is aaron alvarado alvarado what a dipshit aaron alvarado no it is oh it's alvarado what am i doing like alvarado like what the fucking asshole says that? Aaron. Let me try it again. Howdy, Jamokes.

Aaron Alvarado. Maybe I'm dyslexic. Has me at just under 500, but I think he missed a couple in here. Maybe at least one. But I also know that I throw out official picks, then I'll go. But also maybe this one. So I think I'm closer to 500. But according to this, I have hit 17 out of 37 in my prop bet picks. And last week I did fairly well. I think last week was 7 of 13.

So I'm actually not doing bad. The week that set me back was week two where I was 4 of 10. So I'm 13 of 27 otherwise but no I'm about that about one game under 500 each week so either way actually I'm a slightly better than that in the week three but either way uh we'll do some of those uh maybe with Jilly either today or tomorrow um I saw a quote that I enjoyed from Pat McAfee, who I am a fan of. I don't think a show is the greatest thing ever. I think it's fun, and I get why Jilly enjoys, and she loves Pat McAfee.

I like the fun vibe of it. I like just dudes dicking around, talking sports, having fun, which at its core is what sports radio should be. I think there could be some more opinions in it, because I think opinions do matter when you're doing a talk show. But whatever, you know. He's just kind of a happy-go-lucky guy. They have a good time. He makes a shitload of money. He's everywhere.

He's seemingly having a good time. It doesn't feel forced. You know, it seems like that's just his personality. He's kind of a wacky dude. Whereas, like, and Philly people don't like this but jason kelsey feels forced like jason kelsey feels like the dude who's the class clown and like one day he farts and everybody laughs or he's like pull my finger and everybody laughs and then after that like there's no material after so it just becomes like oh there's the guy that farted or there's the guy that does a

wacky dance to try to get attention. Like Pat McAfee doesn't feel like he does things because he needs the attention. He feels like he does things because that's what his personality is. Where Jason Kelsey seems like he's desperate for some sort of attention. So he's constantly doing dumb, annoying shit. And again, I understand that people will listen to this, particularly Philly people, and go, oh, of course you'd be the one shitting on Jason Kelsey. Look, it has nothing to do with anything that happened eight, nine years ago. I do not give a fuck. is that the guy is overexposed and at the end of the day he's not really that interesting like i saw he had a quote uh from wip where he's like you know nick sirianni usually makes the right decisions of course he's not going to say anything about sirianni he was his last coach and he's the current coach let's see what jason kelsey says about nick sirianni after they fire him that was

my criticism of the guy is he talks this big game about everybody and how great every coach is until they get fired, and then he starts pointing out the flaws. That's it. That's the only issue I had with the guy, and that's why I would be critical of him on the air. And yeah, I made a joke that went fucking everywhere, and then people thought I was a racist piece of shit. Whatever.

I don't give a shit. But the point is, you're an analyst on the radio or on T's on WIP. Right. And I get why they put him on WIP as a hero to Philadelphia. I don't get why he's got to be on every ESPN broadcast, but I get why he's on in Philadelphia. And I'm listening to the guy and he's like, again, Sirianni usually makes the right decision. Look, Sirianni got fucking lucky that the Saints offense was inept. then defensively the Eagles were damn good in that game and shut the Saints down. Because every decision he made was a shit decision. If they would have lost that game, they may not have let him on the bus to go to the airport

to get on the plane. He may have been done then. The Eagles have fired a coach that won a Super Bowl. Nick Sirianni should not be untouchable. The guy makes dumb, boneheaded decisions that should have cost them that game against the Saints. If the Saints were not equally as inept, if the Saints weren't completely pathetic to the point that they couldn't pick up a fourth down and one, if the Saints offense, which was scoring 40 something points a game the first two weeks, wasn't held down to 12, which can give credit to the Eagles defense on that they had a plan they shut them the fuck down Eric McCoy got hurt that

didn't help matters of course but the point being in all of this is like I see Jason Kelsey say well Sirianni makes all the I mean he usually makes the right fucking decision well he didn't at the end of last year when they lost a shit ton of games then lost in the playoffs and he really hasn't so far this year when they blew the game now I'll give him credit here I think he made the right decision going forward on fourth the play was there Barkley dropped it against Atlanta they end up losing the game like I'm not gonna shit on the guy for that but if you're somebody that wants to pile on you can just put that on top of the list of all the other shit the guy does in decision making that's stupid.

It makes a lot of boneheaded bad decisions, and it will eventually cost him his job. He is not long for the world as the Eagles coach. Philadelphia is not a world where people keep jobs very long if they're doing a bad job at said job. Again, Doug Peterson won the Super Bowl. Doug Peterson, out of a job two years later. They're not going to sit back with Nick Sirianni and let him run the thing into the ground. That's a different world there. You will never see another scenario where the Philadelphia Eagles have a head coach for like 15 years. That will never happen. The Eagles feel like a place where they're going to have a coach for like three or four years at a time. And then there's a new head coach, you know, maybe five, but the second things get tough, you get a reprieve. And then if you don't bounce back from that, then it's over. And I don't really think the Eagles are that good of a football team. They're fine. And their division obviously is not

great. Although Washington sneaking up a little bit, my boy5 but uh anyway um so there's just an overexposure I've seen like Mad Dog Russo on ESPN talking about how the Eagles or uh Kelsey's overexposed there's just too much Kelsey shit like I was in the um Walmart the other day and I saw the Kelsey cereal it was like a Kelsey mix of cereal and the two were on it. And you know that's the beginning of Rocky III when like Paulie's just everywhere and he's like he sees Rocky everywhere and then he sees the pinball machine and throws his liquor bottle.

I wanted to do that to the cereal. But anyway. And the other Kelsey just looks just depressed and sad. It looks even worse with the mustache. The dude's aged like 10 years, 15 years. You know when you see those time lapses and those gifs and memes where it's like, this is the president before he was elected. After two terms and he just looks like a haggard old man.

Like, here's Travis Kelsey back when he was banging hot black chicks and catching touchdown passes. Here's Travis Kelsey now that he's fucking Taylor Swift. Maybe. We don't even know that they're fucking. But as I've said before, if you're a dude that was banging hot ass black chicks and then you've got olive oil like, hey, check me out, you can't be happy. And he doesn't look happy. He seems pretty miserable. Also, if you believe the

contract, we're only a couple of days away from the breakup. We shall see now all this because I was talking about Pat McAfee. I call it like a seven minute Jason Kelsey slash Kelsey brothers diatribe because I bring up Pat McAfee. Oh yeah. Because I do believe that Pat McAfee, Pat McAfee is authentic. Now I don't believe that he that he, I mean, I believe he hams it up. Like, that's kind of how it is when people meet me and they're critical of me. They'll say, oh, on the radio, you're loud and obnoxious and blah, blah, blah. But when I meet you, you're all quiet. What are you, a fraud?

Like, no, I just, I'm not on all the time. Like, when a microphone's in front of me or the light goes on, I'm like, oh, there's people that need to be entertained. And something clicks and everything I do is kind of elevated to a degree, right? But when I just sit around at home with Jilly, I'm not putting on, I don't sit there and like, howdy Jilly, you want to watch heels? Like I'm not going to do that. Like just naturally that happens when I turn on the microphone. I project a little bit. Not everybody is that 100% of the time. In fact, nobody is that 100% of the the time i forgot who it was that was doing a i think colin cowherd back before he was completely uninteresting and i mean really

fucking uninteresting but back when he was really good at espn partially because he was just angry all the time and he was up in the snow in connecticut and just miserable and um he was doing a bit about like how people aren't the same person they are in public versus at home. And he's like, do you think Jim Rome sits at home? And he's like, hey, honey, pass the peas.

And I thought that was funny. Now I think nothing he does is funny because his show's fucking terrible. But most shows are terrible. But anyway, I think McAfee is fairly authentic and I think I can get where people think he's overexposed and I think I can see where people think he's obnoxious. I also think there's a lot of people that just get bogged down in this world of, oh, seemingly a white guy gets to do whatever the fuck he wants and oh, he's the reason why

people are getting fired and blah, blah, blah. It's such bullshit. But I like the guy but he posted a quote on Twitter today and I retweeted it because I think it's an awesome message that I enjoy very much and as I sit here and you know look for a job and I see things like this that that I'm like oh I feel like I can sort of relate to this and it says find where you're celebrated not where you're tolerated. And that's kind of how he started like his whole podcast and everything. And look, it's a lot easier to do that when you've, as he acknowledges, when you've got football kicking money in your back pocket, you've made millions of dollars being a football player. That's why his situation is unique versus, you know, some average jamoke that just decided to do this on his own like if you're looking for a guy who i admire who's built a real empire for

himself from literally nothing is a guy named josh pate p-a-t-e josh pate has a college football show that airs a couple of times a week on youtube and podcast and he's affiliated now with cbs sports but this guy kind of came up from being nothing. I think in Georgia, he was a small-town Georgia, was a TV guy, then wanted to do some radio, and has literally built his own empire. And I don't know what he's worth, but I bet he's worth well into six figures, if not more. I mean, deep into six figures. And he's built a world where he's got a huge fan base, and he didn't do it with the aid of being a football player. Like, it's easy for the two Kelsys to build a huge audience for a podcast.

They play football, and one of them is fucking Taylor Swift. Of course you can build a podcast audience. To build a podcast audience, why is my book podcast? Am I in Boston now? What's wrong with me today? Of course you can build a podcast audience by having a celebrity in something else, and then they follow you to a podcast. If you're one of the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, you start a podcast.

Of course, people that watch you on there are going to listen to it as well. It's more impressive to me when you're able to be a nobody and build something from the ground up, which not many people have done. There aren't too many people who weren't radio dudes already with a big following that rebranded a podcast. A lot of guys have left. Really, in cities like Philly, it works. I don't know how much it would work in Houston because the people aren't as passionate about radio there. But now everybody that used to work in radio in Philadelphia has a fucking podcast. And I bet people listen to those podcasts because Philly is a wacko town that just consumes everything sports there.

So there's an audience for it. That's why I regret not launching a podcast when I got fired there initially. But anyway, so a guy like Josh Pate who came from literally nothing in the media world to build his empire where he's associated now with CBS Sports and everything, that's the kind of guy I admire. I admire one of my best friends in the world, Matt, who is on the radio in Baton Rouge, but has a whole podcast empire of his own and is making bank. And he's awesome. And I love him. And it's cool. So those guys are different than when, say, a Pat McAfee parlays his football success

slash getting in bed with a bar stool, which helped him blow up as well, to what he's doing. That's not to undermine or demean what he's done or diminish what he's done. He's done a hell of a job and I'm admiring him and complimenting him in this. But when he says, go where you're celebrated, not where you're tolerated, that resonates with me. Because as someone who's worked in a bunch of different places, for the most part, I've always kind of felt tolerated in most of these places. Now, certain individuals have made me feel celebrated. If I went down my career arc here, like Baton Rouge doesn't really count. I mean, I was there, but that was a young kid, whatever. First time in Houston, for the most part, when I was there, I felt celebrated by the people I

worked with. It was really me in the last year that just kind of lost my fucking mind there. But overall, I felt pretty celebrated in the time I was there. Philadelphia, I felt celebrated by my boss, Andy. Outside of that, I did not feel celebrated by very many people inside the building. I had a bunch of friends, but I didn't feel like my existence there was one that people wanted for the long term. I could feel that they kind of felt like he's here and he's successful at the moment, so we tolerate it. But when they lost the success and things started going down, I think they just wanted to get rid of my ass. So I never really felt full on, especially after Andy left. The two guys that hired me, Mark Rayfield and Andy Bloom, I felt appreciated more by them or celebrated by them.

And then Mark left to go run the cluster, the CBS cluster in New York, and then Andy got whacked. And then after that, I just kind of never felt the same level of celebration. So I felt like I was tolerated there. 790, I 100% felt tolerated. Nobody wanted me there. And I will acknowledge that part of that is my own fault because I went in there with a Philadelphia-type attitude, and that probably wasn't the play. And I pissed off certain people out of the gate just doing a show. I don't think I was rude to people in the building, but they

heard me on the radio. They didn't like the way I went about things. One of their main sales guys wouldn't sell me, like acknowledge that he wouldn't sell me because he thought my show was bad. But it was also because I made fun of Charlie Polillo and that was his boy, so he refused to sell me. And that's when I knew I was pretty much dead at that point when their number one seller wouldn't sell me.

And I would send letters. Like my boss was like, you got to get him on your side or you're fucked. And I'm like, I'll do what I can, man. Like it's like, I was like, dude, I'm sorry, whatever. And he's like, nope, your show's just fucking terrible. That's what he would tell me. Your show is bad and I refuse to sell it.

Somehow they'll sell the A team. But my show, which was fucking hysterical and had big guests on it. We broke news all the time and did great shit. Somehow that was an awful show. But the A team is one like, hey, let's go out and sell this fucking thing. So I was 100% tolerated, although much like in Philadelphia and much like in Houston in that case, at this point in my career, they had talked to me about a new contract at all three of those places. I had a new contract in Houston, but I didn't want to be there. I actually, right before he left, Gavin was like, you need to sign this contract. And then he left like two days later. I'm like, I'm glad I didn't. Philly, they offered me a new

deal, but I really wasn't interested in being there and eventually got fired. And then in Houston, they offered me a new deal or they wanted to start talking about a new deal. Then they fired me not too long after that for whatever reason. But I think I know why. There was some behind-the-scenes stuff. But that one, so I got that. Then after that, we went to – actually, things kind of turned for me when I went to 97.5 in Houston for a little bit because AJ and I became really good friends. And I like AJ a lot. But like in Nashville, I don't think

they tolerated me. I think my boss really liked me there. He's probably annoyed by how neurotic I am all the time, but I felt celebrated by them. Then I really felt celebrated by them after I got whacked in St. Louis where I was not celebrated, uh, by anybody in the whole fucking city. Uh, but I, um, when I was in Nashville, I never felt like I was like a burden to any of them, you know, and I left and went to St. Louis. But now that I've been talking to my old boss more who we had on the podcast

before Jonathan, when I would talk with him, he's like, you know, like everybody here. Now, granted there wasn't a huge staff of people in the building. It's Nashville.

It's I heart. There's like 11 people. And then there's like 30 people that work for Bobby bones. And then there's like 11 people in the rest. It's Nashville. It's iHeart. There's like 11 people. And then there's like 30 people that work for Bobby Bones. And then there's like 11 people in the rest of the building for all the other radio stations. Bobby's a nice guy, by the way. In the times I've interacted with him, he and I have DM before. Never actually met him in person. That was one of the conversations my dad engaged in whenever we had dinner the other night when I was like, yeah, Bobby Bones would be in the same building. And he just wanted all the deets on Bobby Bones. Then he went back to looking at weird Trump memes on his phone. But I was talking to my boss, my old boss, Jonathan, you know, and he's like, you know,

everybody here. Well, let me rewind. So when I got whacked in St. Louis, I started getting all these messages and stuff from people that I worked with in Nashville and like they would post positive things and I'm like that never really happens for me to a man and woman seemingly all of them liked me there you know I was neurotic because we were in this building where nothing worked the equipment didn't work and I felt like no one cared that we were doing it but they all liked me they're like they all think you're the nicest guy I'm like that means a lot to me actually it means a lot to me that there were people that actually genuinely thought I was a decent guy because I think I am a decent guy and I'd like to treat people well I'm not as fucking nuts as I used to be you know but I don't know just that that comment from from Pat McAfee resonated with

me go where you're celebrated not where you're tolerated and that's what I'm looking for you know it's easy for McAfee to launch his own world like he has because he has the celebrity from Barstool, and he's got money in the bank, so you can take risks. I'm not at that position where I can take risks. But then you've got guys like Josh Pate, who I bring up, and I think you guys should at least look for his show. It's nothing like this. It's a college football show, but I admire what the guy has done. I admire what my man Matt Moscona has done. I admire, it's a college football show, but I admire what the guy has done. I admire what my man Matt Moscona has done. I admire people that kind of go out on their own and figure out a way to do it and make bucks and build an audience. I think that's so fucking cool, man. And when I saw

that comment from Pat, I'm like, that clicked with me. And it's hard to find. You think there's people that like you, and then at the end of the day, they whack you. And it turns out they didn't really like you all that much. They just tolerated you, you know? Um, you know, I think I've been hired at multiple places where they must've had no clue what it is I do. Because when I got there, they were like, what the fuck is happening? I'm like, you hired me. This is who I am. This is what I do. That's at least twice that's happened to me where they do that. Like, I'll tell you, the best people I've worked for, though, the smartest radio people like Jonathan in Nashville, who I think is a very smart guy and kind of got what we were doing. But at least he offered me feedback to Gavin, Jonathan, Andy Bloom.

Those were the PDs that really offered me real feedback. And also, like, I, and this sounds ridiculous, but I need some form of discipline, too. Like, I need someone to tell me, like, this, you cannot do this, and here is why. I'll lash out against them, but at least I know, like, this is for the betterment of these things. And it gives me an enemy, and it's kind of fun. I'm not very good when it's just, hey, Josh, go do whatever the fuck you want. And I'm like, okay, I will. But do you think it's going to work? Well, we'll find out.

That's not where I excel. I excel with a little bit of guidance. I've always been someone. Maybe it goes back to daddy issues of it all. Maybe it's like you're looking for validation from someone. So you want someone to give you orders. You want to follow through with the orders. And then they'll say, good job executing the orders. And you hey i did good pat me on the head maybe that is maybe that's

serious daddy issue shit but man like and i've told you guys this and if you listen to this podcast at all for the last month or so hey i appreciate you tell your friends but i told you that my ambition for this was to go find another job and then to seriously, while I'm doing this other job, find a way to make this thing successful and not give up on it like I did for a couple years. And I've lost followers since then. I had a bigger audience the first time I was doing the pod than the second. I had a much bigger audience when I first launched it and I was doing the Philly and the Houston thing. But my passion wasn't to do a pod for Philly and a pod for Houston. My passion was to do just a pod. You know, I post shit whenever I it comes to my mind and I find something interesting, you know, so that's why some days there'll be three or four different episodes. Some days there'll be one, you know, just kind of how I am. But I don't know, man. I'm just in a position where like I'm inspired by that comment because like I think people

know what it's like to be somewhere. I think anybody can relate to this, not just in a media field or sports field, but whatever it is you do, whatever your job is, if you're at a bank or you're driving a truck or you work at Walmart or you work at the Sears and Roebuck or you're selling lawnmowers or whatever it is you do, or you might have a big fancy job in an office. Who knows? You might run a company. But whatever it is, you might be a line cook. I don't know. But you want to feel like when you go in every day, people are glad you're there. And what you don't want to feel like is they're stuck with you. Little Huey Lewis, happy to be stuck with you.

You don't want to live in that world. And I've been in multiple places where every day when I'd walk in, I kind of just felt like, yeah, they're stuck with me. And that's kind of how they view me. They don't view me as someone that is a commodity and they don't view me as someone who they actually like and want to be around. They just view me as someone that they tolerate because they made the mistake of hiring me. And that's why I admire kind of the free spirit

and the fun of Pat McAfee. And I get where people find he's annoying, but I find him to be far more authentic than Jason fucking Kelsey who just comes across as a try hard like Pat doesn't come across as a try hard to me and I get that there are listeners who will say he does and he is over the top but like I think he's a naturally funny dude who has done stand up like I think he does a lot of shit with he and his boys on the show that just becomes funny discourse.

I feel like Jason Kelsey has to rely on, oh, fat guy fall-down humor to get a laugh. Or, you know, oh, he put on the mummer's costume. Like, fine, I'm not against that, but that's pretty much all he's got. His material is lacking, is all I'm saying. And now he's overexposed not to his own doing but the guy is pimping soup the guy's pimping cereal the guy's pimping 10 different things

and people naturally are going to get sick of seeing your fucking mug on tv and then your brother looks like he wants to drink drano so anyway uh all right so uh we'll get some other stuff i'll get jillian here in a little bit we'll get to some other stuff. I'll get Jilly in here in a little bit. We'll start looking at the prop bets. I'll start working on those. I do have thoughts on this dude over at UNLV that rolled out because they lied to him about his money. About his money with the NIL.

I think there's a lot of hypocrisies in the way people cover these things and there's not enough nuance. But we'll get into that. We'll do some more throughout the day. Appreciate you.