The Josh Innes Show - The Downside of NIL

Episode Date: March 13, 2025

First off, we have a heartwarming story of a Houston embalmer who cut the penis off a corpse... From there, we transition to the story of Coleman Hawkins. He who is a college basketball who transferred from Illinois to Kansas State because he got "the bag". Apparently he got $2 million to play at K-State. They've been bounced from the conference tournament and Hawkins cried at his locker while discussing the situation. I have no issue with college players getting paid. However, the people who have been loudest in supporting these young dudes getting big checks, never seem to think of the downside...and there is a downside. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Well, here's a fun story for you out of Houston. Headline reads, Embalmer cut off dead man's penis after learning he was a registered sex offender. The officials say, this is from Houston, A licensed embalmer from Texas is facing charges after officials say she cut off a dead man's penis in February with a scalpel after finding out he was a registered sex offender. According to Constable Alan Rosen of Harrison County, 34-year-old Amber Loudermilk is charged with felony abuse of a corpse for the incident at Memorial Mortuary and Crematory. Officials say Loudermilk cut off the genitals of the man Charles Roy Rodriguez, 58, who was a registered sex offender. A report from KPRC said Loudermilk allegedly then stuffed the man's penis in his mouth before his cremation.

According to witness, Loudermilk did it after learning Rodriguez was a registered sex offender. A charging document also states Loudermilk was in the presence of an embalming student at the time. KPRC reports that Loudermilk allegedly told the trainee, you didn't see anything. People are fucking nuts, man. I do think it's important. I think we need to break down what kind of sexual offender this man was, first of all. That's a blanket statement to say someone's a sex offender. Now, if this guy's

like a diddler and a pedo and all that like okay whatever like what if this is just some guy that had a situation like charlie and always sunny and like you you pee at a park or something like that and then you know you're a sexual predator i don't know but even though the guy is a sexual predator i don't know that that's your place to do that. Now you're the embalmer. So you have the right, I mean, not the right, you don't have the right to cut the dude's dick off. Obviously it's against the law, but you have the access. Imagine you're this like embalmer trainee, which just sounds like a miserable life, doesn't it? Like, yep. Training for my life and embalming like, holy shit shit that sounds awful

but imagine you're sitting there and like you know homegirl here is just you know embalming this body or whatever like and i guess she like how did she find out like how does that come up in conversation that this guy is a sex offender i guess maybe he has like paperwork or something like that so you mean to tell me that like when you're dead, is there paperwork that says all the bad shit you've ever done? Like shit here. All right. This guy watches babysitter porn. Okay.

One time he's got six speeding tickets, unpaid parking tickets, pedophile. Like is there like a, like does the embalmer get to look at this shit? Like, how does it say, like, I guess the point I'm trying to make is, it says, well, the person learned of him being a sex offender. Was this just, like, a topic of conversation? Did the person who was there, you know, in training go, oh, that guy. Yeah, he was a predator. Like, I don't know how this conversation came up. I'm guessing that it was in some paperwork, but whatever.

So she cut the man's genitals off and shoved them in his mouth. Then tells the trainee, you didn't see a fucking thing. And I'm like, no, I didn't at that point because this bitch has a scalpel. This woman's got a scalpel and she's cutting dead man's dicks off and shoving them in his mouth. I think I'm good. I think I'll pass on that. I'm like, I didn't see a fucking thing. Not a goddamn thing, crazy woman.

I saw nothing. Story continues. Rodriguez died of natural causes at a Houston hospital in January. Officials said he was charged with sexual assault in 2001. So again, I don't know what exactly that was. No matter what, it's not good. But Loudermilk is no longer employed she is charged with

felony abuse of a corpse state officials are seeking to suspend or revoke her license good that ain't your fucking place to do it like all these people like in this world of like trying to take over with social media and like trying to make some sort of grandstand and all this bullshit that people are doing like it ain't your fucking place to do it you broke the law now if there's some guy like there are varying examples though like like if there's like some guy in the neighborhood and he's a known pedophile and like somebody you know kills the motherfucker like you're like I get it I understand or like there that there's the story that I've talked about on here before where, um, and I forgot the damn dude's name. I always forget his name, but there's a guy

Baton Rouge early eighties. His son is like molested by, uh, like a soccer coach or some such shit. Right. And then like the soccer coach abducts the kid, Gary Plowsh. Okay, let's look this up really quick. This story is fascinating. And if you've never seen the video, then it's fucking wild. But the guy's name is Gary Plowsh, I think is how you would say it if we're going Louisiana terms. But Gary Plowsh, this is a fascinating story so his son Jody was abducted

and molested by Jeffrey Doucette and eventually like took the kid out of state whatever they they got the kid back when they bring the molester back to Louisiana. They have him at the airport. The kid's dad is standing at a pay phone. And you don't know it's the kid's dad because he's standing at a pay phone. Right. As they're walking the dude by where the dad is standing, he's cuffed and everything. Whatever. Dude comes out with a gun and shoots the dude that was molesting and abducting his kid you hear the cops like gary why'd you do it gary

you can't do that gary and you're like it's still wrong because you killed the guy and you're gonna be punished for it which he was but like i kind of fucking get it i kind of understand it let's see how long he had to go let's see uh let's see he was initially charged with second degree murder but agreed to a plea bargain in which he pleaded no contest to manslaughter was sentenced to seven years suspended sentence with five years probation which he completed in 1989 so like you had to you had something had to happen there but you get it it's like when you watch the movie and like the chick uh you know was sexually assaulted or whatever and then she kills the dude like like you like you get it it's still a crime and you're gonna be punished for it

but you're kind of on their side so like in a story like that you're like i'm kind of on your side in that one like i understand it but it's still wrong in this instance i don't really know what you're accomplishing like what exactly is going to come of this motherfucker's dead he don't know you cut off his dick and put it in his mouth he has no clue let me play a couple commercials and we'll continue all right if you're ready to win some real cash during the basketball playoffs you got to check out pick six from draft kings when it comes to basketball payouts draft kings pick six posterizes the competition including price picks it's a very simple concept hit all your picks and score higher minimum payouts on pick six plus even more cash if you outscore the

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and is a horrible human, then he's not going to heaven anyway, probably, right? But if you're missing limbs and shit when you're alive, is that how you go to heaven? So, like, if you're somebody with, like, a peg leg or something, like, do you go to heaven with a peg leg or do they just give you full-on legs and like in this case like if you like get your your junk cut off while you're already dead do you go to hell is it like does it matter like when you're buried like when you're buried if this is what and i was cremated so i guess whatever so same thing essentially so when you're cremated if you do not have a penis do you go up there without a penis this guy probably isn't going up there for being

fair but like if he even goes to hell like in hell are you penisless or is it only if you're a bad person do all the bad things impact you in hell right so like if you go to hell you start to keep all the bad things like not only are you burning for eternity but like your one leg is longer than the other one and like you know you have a giant fucking deformity and like you got like a half an arm or some shit like i wonder if that's the case only in hell though but in heaven you go up and you're completely pristine and perfect or maybe you're not i don't know like if your dog like if you adopt a dog that like one of these sad stories where a dog is like shot and left for dead but then he survives and a nice rescue rescues him and he's paralyzed in the back leg so he has a

little wheels like a little dog wheelchair does the dog that goes to heaven have the dog wheelchair or does he get to run free these are the questions I have also you should look into that story about Gary Plowsh Plowsh I would think it's Plowsh based on my experience in in Louisiana but it might be Plowsh P-L-A-U-C-H-E. If you've never seen that, it is a fascinating tale. And this dude's just standing there at the airport and he's got his, you know, he's got his, he's on the phone at the payphone, which makes it easier to hide. Like now you really couldn't do it because there are no payphones. But like you're standing there at the payphone, you got a hat pulled down and you're talking and then boom, dude that was molesting the sun comes out, pow. Like like you get it i'm on your side

dude this dude's a piece of shit but it's still a crime and this woman like and what message are you trying to send like like like he's dead you're not gonna go public with it presumably although these people are fucking nuts i'm surprised you didn't take pictures for like the gram and tiktok like do a tiktok dance around this dead corpse with a dick in his mouth. You know what I'm saying? Because people are fucking nuts is what you all need to know. People are lunatics. And they're all looking for clout.

Clout's a big deal. Speaking of clout, it's an odd transition here, but I'm going to transition into some sports conversation. So there's this dude, Hawkins is his name. And again, I don't follow college basketball all that much and don't claim to, but Coleman Hawkins is the guy's name. And he transferred to Kansas State where he got paid $2 million. That's right, kiddos, $2 million to go play basketball at Kansas State, in which he said it was a business decision, which a lot of these dudes are making now. Well, Coleman Hawkins and the Kansas State club were bounced from the conference tournament yesterday,

and I'm assuming aren't going to go anywhere else, because my mans was crying after the game like sobbing and talking about the pressure and like people talk about the NIL deal and I couldn't come through and here's the thing chief you're a pro now by the way this dude's 23 years old like LeBron had been in the league for like four years when he was 23 right like you made a choice. College athletics is now professional athletics. You can argue it.

You can debate it all you want. But if dudes are getting NIL deals that are $2 million to transfer from school to school, dude, these guys are making five times what the WNBA gals are making, and that's technically a professional league. You're pros. I don't feel sorry for you. So when I'm here, and by the way, NIL, as we've discussed many times, NIL in its idea is fine, which is, you know, hey, once you get there, you'll be able to use your name, image, and likeness to go and make money. That's not what

it is. It's used as a recruiting tool. That's why the haves will still dominate the have-nots. Although you do see situations now where teams buy players like they fight they have one big booster that's like fuck it i can do it legally now let's go and you end up at a school like you know a saint john's right now that has all this money and they can go buy great players and now saint john's is good at basketball again or you know kansas state can find two million dollars to pay some dude to play basketball at kansas. That's the way this game operates now. They use NIL as essentially free agency. And I heard Dan Hurley say something the other day, and I'm like, shit. Dan Hurley's won back-to-back national championships. And he says, I've got probably

75% or 50% or 75%, but 50%, 75% of my roster is already talking to other schools during this season about what money they can get to go somewhere else. And they're either going to the portal or will go to the portal. I'm like, that's a school that's won back-to-back national championships. So it's the wild west. The idea of it was fine, but there's no way to govern it at this point. And people are just, again, the haves, fine, big money boosters I saw that LSU's like NIL has raised by like a billion dollars over the last year because guys like uh uh Brian Kelly Brian Kelly had to like do the thing where he said I'm taking a million dollars of my own money I'm putting it in this collective or whatever for uh that he's allowed to basically he gave a hundred

million he gave a million dollars to TAF, the Tiger Athletic Foundation. The Tiger Athletic Foundation then takes that money and puts it where? Into the NIL pot. And then they did a match for it and everything else. That's what these guys are doing right now. It actually feels shadier and worse than it did whenever it was just dudes getting paid under the table. Because now they're just, again, blatantly circumventing these rules. But back to this Hawkins. So it does bring up an interesting discussion because once you're paid two million

dollars for a season of basketball at kansas state it's kind of like i don't feel sorry for you and i don't you're a 23 year old guy you got two million dollars the pressure was on and the pressure got to you i think he dealt with a shitload of stuff from social media that's 2025 guess what you become famous because of social media you get a bunch of followers that helps you get endorsement deals but there's also a negative side of social media and the negative side of social media is there are a ton of people who fucking hate you and want to shit on you there's a there's a ton of people who bet on you in games and when you lose they lose money and they say bad shit to you that you. There's a ton of people who bet on you in games, and when you lose, they lose money, and they say bad shit to you. There's a positive and a negative in this world

that we've created, and you can't really govern the negative. You can't just say, oops, we're not allowed to say negative things on Twitter anymore. Nope, people can say negative things on Twitter, and they can say negative things in the media, and they can say negative things on television, and that's what comes with it. used to be remember when i used to work with matt and baton rouge and i think matt still kind of adheres to this and i just disagree with him it's i'm never gonna you know criticize a college athlete an athlete i'm like that's fine and noble when dudes are staying at one school for three or four years and if they are getting paid it's under the table and if they are getting a car it's because the car dealership worked out a deal with the local thing and whatever that's all fine it ain't that way anymore when there are dudes when you have to have the coach take a million

dollars of his own money funnel it to some little organization that then funnels it back into nil and all that when we're doing this type of shit, it ain't like, hey, rah, rah, sis, boom, bah, college football time. We're not rooting against kids. We're turning them into adults extremely early. And to me, that is where the biggest issue is. I don't care that dudes get paid. Whenever the universities are in this multi-billion dollar world of college football, and it's mostly college football, some basketball, very little baseball, probably very little, and some women's basketball, but it's mostly men's basketball and football. Those are the two ones in college. When we're in that world and people are making billions of dollars, I agree that people who are putting in the actual labor should reward from that as well,

and they should reward more than just, hey, I'm going to get a degree. Keep in mind, these guys are forced to go to college for three years or be out of high school for three years before they can play in the NFL. They have to go somewhere. Many of them aren't going there because they give a shit about getting their kinesiology degree. And we all know that. So I'm all fine with them getting that. The problem is people have fought this fight for so long. If we're exploiting these young players and these young black men are being exploited by white universities and people get so caught up in like this social aspect of it that they don't think about the negative that could come of it. In their mind, it's just these

young black men should be getting all this money because the old white fucks are exploiting them and they need to be getting their money. Okay. I actually agree with that, but there's a negative side that comes with that. And the negative is you're no longer 18 year old quote unquote kid who's on the college campus. And he's there to live the college lifestyle. And I'm here to hoop, or I'm here to play football. And this is great. Now you are that university's LeBron. You are that university's Michael Jordan. You are the guy that is the center of attention. And now everybody knows what you're making. In some cases, they know the number.

Some cases, they don't. But they know you're there because of the NIL deal. And there are tons of reports that come out every year about the NIL deals. And this offensive lineman just got $500,000. This guy got a million. Or Bryce Underwood just got $13 million. Whatever it is. So they know what you're making,

just like they know what LeBron makes, they know what Derek Jeter made, whatever. They know this. You're a pro. It's not the same college experience now. You are essentially doing this as a profession. Therefore, you are growing up a lot faster than maybe you would have. There was already pressure if you're an 18-year-old dude going to a college campus who isn't making $2 million. Now imagine you are making $2 million. And now imagine that, you know, wasn't the case 15 years ago, is the case now where you're making money, people know how much you're making, and there's social media to talk about it. And people are ruthless and they don't give a fuck. So to a degree, I feel bad for this guy because he's probably been just getting hammered and it's probably impacted his play but that's the world now and

all these dudes who are famous because of tiktok and social media have to learn that there's a downside to it and it can fuck with you and it can kill you essentially I mean figuratively and kill your career could kill you mentally it could do bad things for you and in some cases it does kill people right like we hear stories about that all the time. People are driven to craziness by how they're treated on social media. But these people that stump for this and love to talk about the social impact of it. And I can't believe all these young black men coming from poor situations aren't getting money. And did you know that Arian Foster lived off ramen noodles? Can you believe that? And we got all these rich bow tie wearing white men and all they want to do is exploit these kids. They get rich. These kids are living in a dorm room eating cereal for dinner.

Okay. You're not wrong. Those are all true things, but you're not thinking of the potential negative. You're only looking at the situation because you want to stump for it and say, we got to save this, but you don't think about what happens when 18, 19 year old dude comes into $500,000. And you don't think about what happens when 18, 19 year old dude comes into $500,000. And 18, 19 year old dude has lived a whole life on social media and now has to read every day that people know he's making $500,000. Basically, he's getting all the treatment of a pro pro which he should because that's the world you wanted for him but you again didn't think about the downside and that's the negative there are downsides there are negatives to this that they're going to have to deal with i like i truly do and i

mean this people talk about how mentally tough like michael jordan all these athletes of a past era were i do not believe that people would have been as mentally tough as we think they are if every day they had to roll out of bed and read how shitty they are on the internet from people. It is a fucking, it will destroy you. You know, give LeBron credit. You don't have to like the guy, but the dude's arguably the best basketball player to ever live and he's done it in an era where virtually all of it's been done with social media and television telling him every day that he's a

piece of shit or he's the greatest thing ever or that he's stupid or that he's racist or that he's like michael jordan didn't deal with that like he got news coverage and shit like look it ain't like this like that radio was like that do you know how easy it was to think you were the shit back in 1990 of course it was easy. The only way people could tell you you sucked is if they wrote you a letter or called the radio station. Now they can tell you instantly that you suck. I saw it happen in real time, man. I saw the way the industry changed that I'm in change like 2009, 2010 when people start getting text messages.

It's easy to send a fucking text message. And I have friends who I watched change their opinions during shows and change their tone because of the way people were shitting on them on a text line. It is real. And if you think it's happening to slapdick radio dudes,

imagine what's happening when you're a dude making $2 million and you said, I'm making a business decision and I'm leaving this school and going here. And it comes with it. Sorry. The same thing we said about Angel Reese. Angel Reese wants to be a bad bitch and Angel Reese wants to tell you how fine she is. And Angel Reese wants to tell you how she's this icon. And Angel Reese wants to say how great she is at basketball and how much of a business person she is and McDonald's this and this and this. Then people criticize. She's

shocked that people criticize and starts feeling sorry for herself. Why are people so mean and criticize? That's part of it. That comes with it. Like people like want the positive but don't want the negative or anticipate the negative. There's negative.

You can do the nicest fucking thing ever and people are going to criticize. Like again, look at the thing with the kid at the Trump, the kid with the cancer at the Trump thing that wants to be a cop. Is Trump doing that for show? Of course he is. Every political thing is done for show. However, the number of people that went on and were like shitting on this kid, you're like, like sometimes you just got to let a moment have a moment, right? Like, is it obvious that Trump was doing things to get attention and a positive light?

Sure. Just like the same way that Nancy Pelosi takes a knee wearing a fucking dashiki. They're all doing it for, it's publicity. It's positive. It's like, hey, look at me. I'm doing this thing. It's posturing.

It's whatever. But people can't even let you have that. Like, sometimes there's just a nice thing that happens and it might be bullshit, but you just kind of leave it alone. But that's not the world. People will find the negative in everything. Every single thing, and they'll look for bullshit.

That's how we've been programmed now. So back to this guy Hawkins, who's crying, literally sobbing after they lost. And he's like, you know, I let people down. And, you know, I heard all this shit on social media. And we're talking about how it's impacted his play and shit. Brother, you guys asked for this you want two million dollars they got dudes who are going to try to stay in school for six seven years because that's where their money is going to be made you want to tell me that's a college you want to tell me that's amateurism when there's dudes that are like i can make more money staying in college so i'm not even going to go pro it's

bullshit it's all bullshit but you want to be, you're going to be treated like pros. And the people who stumped for him to do this are now shocked by this. You're part of the problem. Again, you're not wrong that they should be compensated. But you didn't think of the negative because no one ever does. No one ever thinks of like, hey, I want my kid to be a child television star. It's a really good thing. You're making money, whatever. No one thinks that when no one wants that kid anymore, he's going to be shoving fucking needles in his arm.

But it happens a lot more than it doesn't. It happens a ton. Or this kid becomes a fucking burnout, or this kid becomes a drug addict, or this chick becomes a whore or whatever. That shit happens. And it happens a ton. But no one thinks of that when your kid's there, like, here I am on different strokes. Now the world don't move. And you're not going to say no to that. But if you handle handle it poorly you have a kid that ends up like dana plato who's dead in her mid-30s and she's into drugs and doing soft core pornography or you you got stories like gary coleman getting fleeced by his fucking family like you get that kind of shit and it's kind of a similar thing with this you want these dudes to not be exploited but you got to make sure it's taken care of and and it's fucked the whole it's it and i think

you're gonna see more of this these dudes didn't sign up to be you know treated like adults but you kind of have to expect it now that's the world all right more to come