The Josh Innes Show - Tyreek v. Miami Police

Episode Date: September 10, 2024

By now, most of you have seen the police body cam footage of Tyreek Hill getting detained by the Miami police. My issue with this story its that people refuse to look at this with any nuance. Not every story is black and white. Yet, that's what old guard and new media alike would have you believe. Am I a dinosaur because I refuse to let political affiliation determine how I feel about a situation? I feel like I'm on an island. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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You know, I often wonder if my way of doing things is right or wrong or if there is a right or wrong. You know, back when I was a younger dude and I would get on the radio, I just had opinions. And I went with those opinions and I could argue those opinions and I didn't care about the people who disagreed with it or agreed with it. I just believed in what I believed in and I went with it. But now I find myself a lot of the time in this weird world where I'm like, do I have to have a certain opinion to try to appeal to a certain group of people to try to get those people to listen to the podcast? Or do I have to have this viewpoint on something to try to get a job in a certain city? It really fucks with my head. And I think a lot of people deal with this. And I think a lot of people deal with this and I think a lot of people deal with this not just in working in media or doing stuff on social media or or blogs

or twitter or instagram or whatever it is like I think people deal with this in their everyday life because we are in such a world of tribalism that people are afraid to have dissenting opinions on a lot of things and we have all these tribes in this country and in this world, and it's really just gross and I hate it, but that's kind of the way it is. Like it used to be in my line of work, like if you were good at something, you'd get hired and it didn't really matter what you thought about things. Yes, like you'd take a job and they'd want you to try to adapt to the place you were going. Like when I got the job in Houston, Gavin was like, hey, don't get on the air and talk about all the teams you like

that aren't from Houston. Focus on the Houston things. And I get that, right? But now we're in this world where I think people have an expectation that if they're going to listen to you, not only can they not disagree with you on things, they have to agree with your way of thinking,

they have to agree with you politically, they have to align with you socially, or they have to agree with you politically they have to align with you socially or they're not going to listen to you or perhaps they will not hire you it's a very weird world that we live in just to kind of give you an example about what screws with my head and I just I miss having the freedom in my mind to just go on the radio and say this is what I think and if you don't like it let's argue but now you think that way and you go on the radio and say, this is what I think. And if you don't like it, let's argue. But now you think that way and you go on the air and a bunch of people disagree with you. Are they just going to run you off the damn station? Is the station going to fire you because they can't handle the negative blowback from people? You know, like I'm really fucked in the

head when it comes to that kind of stuff. And I'm sure other people who are listening to this, who aren't even in media feel the same way. When you go to your job, wherever your job is, are you afraid to speak your mind on something out of fear of repercussions or getting your ass thrown out of the job or being ostracized? I think a lot of people live with that. And that's kind of where we are as a society. And that's kind of where we are as a world. And I'm getting to a point here, I swear related to Tyreek Hill and and the stuff that happened to him on the way to the Dolphins game this weekend we've seen the body cam footage and and we'll get into that and how this kind of relates to that but like just to give you an example like I'm not going to tell you where the station was but um everything's like everything is political it

always kind of has been but you always kind of have to play the game a little bit. And I went out, and I saw there was an opening for a job somewhere. And I was talking to an old boss of mine, and I'm like, yeah, I probably don't have a shot at this job. And it turns out I didn't. I've never even heard. I mean, that's the place where they said we're good, if you remember from an earlier pod. And I was talking to an old boss, and he said, you need to go in and go do a specific show for this market to show them how you would sound. Go in there right now, go into your studio

at home and do it. And I said, all right, I'm going to do it. And my instinct is go in there and do what you think sounds good, right? Do what makes you laugh, do what you think is entertaining, right? And my old boss sends me a message back and he goes, you know, laugh do what you think is entertaining right and my old boss sends me a message back and he goes you know here's what you're gonna have to do you got to go in there and kind of play homer about this and be excited about this team because that's what they're looking for they're not looking for you to offer any real opinion you have they're just looking for you to show that you're a rah-rah fanboy. And I'm like, I can be that when I'm legitimately that. People heard me in Houston when the Astros were great, and that was me. I got on the radio every day, go, go Astros. I thought they could win the World Series,

and they did. But then there's also 2013 Texans who went 2-14. There's also the Eagles, who I think lost four games in a row at the end of the season in 2015 to miss the playoffs. There's also awful Phillies, awful Sixers, awful Astros when they were terrible when I was in Houston the first time. Like I hate the idea of having to go in and structure what I think and what I believe based on what should be in a fucking algorithm or what a manager thinks would work. And I hate having to do that, but I did it because I'm like, hey, I mean, I go in, try to find a job, let's go. And I'm doing this and I'm thinking to myself, I don't even believe this shit. And it bothered me. The problem I have or something that I see

is a big problem is I think a lot of people have no issue saying shit they don't believe because of the reaction it gets. And look, a lot of people are getting rich off of that shit, man. A lot of people are going out and saying a bunch of shit that they truly don't believe. And they got clout and they got hundreds of thousands of followers. They got a lot more listeners than I do on my podcast and maybe they're the right ones and maybe I need to be able to step back and say, Josh, you need to be more like these people if you're going to make it. But that's not who I am. Maybe there's a naivete still about me. Maybe you could call it idealistic, but I want to get on the radio and

tell you what I think about shit and I'll argue argue with you about it. And I'll debate with you about it. But it's what I feel and what I believe and what I'm passionate about. I've never gone into a situation and said, watch this. This opinion is going to piss people off. And what's funny is I'm the kind of guy that most people think that's the case. When they listen to me, oh, he just says shit for a reaction. No, you feel that way because you disagree with me. And you disagree with me because either you're a homer or whatever it is. But I've never gone on the air and told you

something that I don't believe just to get a rise out of you unless it was one of the trolling bits where I was telling you that that's what I was doing. But this has to do with the Tyreek Hill thing. So I watched the Tyreek Hill video of the police body cams right and apparently he was speeding his windows are tented cops are like roll down the window and after i watched the full video of the guy getting that pulled out of the car wrestled to the ground i said this is small dick energy and i just left it at that some people respond and said oh who from the the from tyreek hill and the others were like yeah the cops it's possible that two things can be true and i know that that's some might view that as a cop out because in 2024 media either have to be right wing or left wing there's no

centrist you either have to be diehard texans fan or hate the texans you have to be all in on philly and everything about Philly and follow the opinions that the people in Philadelphia have, or you're not, or you're anti-Philly, you're a Cowboys fan, you're whatever. That's the way society works now, and I understand that. And maybe that's what makes me a dinosaur in some ways to some of these people, because I can't just get on the TV, especially when it comes to social issues, and just be definitive one way or the other about an opinion. I can't do that. And I think I'm like most people, but we're kind of on an island here because the people

that get the most run and get the most attention and get the most clicks and get the most money even are the people who are definitive one way or the other. You can be a Jason Whitlock and you know what his opinion is going to be on every story. You can be a Clay Travis and you can tell what direction he's going to go. You can be CNN and know whatever direction they're going to go. Like it's predictable and boring to me and it's not fun and it's not good, but that's kind of the way the world is. But I watched that video and honestly, my initial reaction in watching the video the first time was these cops are fucking assholes. Like there was nothing in that video that I saw from Tyreek Hill where I was like, yep, this guy should be yanked out of his car, thrown on the ground, coughed. And these cops are talking all big.

Like, I don't know if you ever heard me tell the story about the time one of my girlfriend's cars was getting broken into. It was when I was in Baton Rouge. And we walk out of the movie theater. Her car is the only car in the parking lot. And there's some dude just rummaging through the car. So I walk over. I'm like, bro, what the fuck are you doing, bro? Like, I got all hard on this guy, you know?

And it turns out he was like a 17-year-old kid. And I took his wallet and he ran away. Like, it was dumb. But like, you talk all all hard you think you're big and bad because you feel disrespected and i'm watching this video and i'm like come on bro there's nothing this dude did that warranted the reaction when the dolphins say excessive and the attorneys of tyree kill say excessive and drew rosenhouse says excessive it was 100 excessive that didn't have to happen you're treating that guy the same

way you're treating a a hardened drug dealer or criminal or whatever and yes he's got a checkered past I get that he's not a choir boy by any means but in that particular situation it was 100% excessive on the other hand it is possible to just say hey don't roll your fucking window up and maybe none of this happens right but on the other hand there's a big part of me that's like yes police are good and i'm usually on the side of police nine out of ten times and they're to serve and protect and nine out of ten times they're doing something good and unfortunately for these people they've been victimized or not even victimized so much they've been vilified by certain groups of media people and politicians

who pander to other groups of people who tell you that cops are pieces of shit therefore these people have had a target on their back for the last decade and i understand where they're coming from but when you look at certain situations and look at the way they're broken down there's no area in that video where i'd say taking the guy out of the car, throwing him on the ground was necessary. Just don't roll your fucking window up, Tyreek. Don't be an asshole. But the problem is there's two camps of people.

And you can always tell them based on their profile. Here's an experiment I do when I look at tweets that people send me about things like this that are somewhat political, social, whatever. I'll look at them and they'll say, like for instance, I tweeted that last night that it was small dick energy. And I'll get a tweet, yeah, you're right, Tyreek's got a small dick. So I click on the person's thing and I'm like, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that everything is either MAGA or super right-wing or retweets of Joe Rogan videos or whatever. Scroll down, MAGA, anti-left-wing this, liberals are terrible, Haitians eating cats. Whatever, those are the videos you're going to get. Then you'll get someone that's like, yeah, these cops are out of fucking control. Then you go click on theirs and it's like

retweets of Joy Reid videos. You're like, I don't view you as credible. I struggle to view people as credible when they are hardcore one side or the other because they refuse to look at the nuances of stories and nuance matters, but not in this world we live in now where people are chasing clout and chasing clicks and fighting with each other. And the only way for you to be victorious is to just beat down that side. And look, I get that it's addictive. I get if you're someone who's not making money and nobody knows who you are. And then all of a sudden your videos are getting, uh, uh, run and you're everywhere. And, but you have a thousand followers. Now you have 150,000 followers and you're viewed as the voice of this group of people. I get it, but it ain't But it ain't me. That's not who I want to be. I used to talk to radio guys. They're like, do you want to do talk radio, general talk radio? I'm like, I mean, I probably could, but it's not something that I'm desirous of doing because I don't want to get on the radio and be this dude that 100% has to choose the same side on every story.

I have no issues choosing a side on a story. I believe Anthony Richardson is not going to be a good NFL quarterback and I don't care that he threw the ball 65 yards in the air. I'll look at a bunch of other throws against the Texans and tell you why I don't think he's good and why I don't think he's even close to CJ Strout. I'll fight that argument with you and I'll believe that. I'm someone that needs to see data and I'm someone that doesn't need to sit here and look at just because I'm on this side, I have to go with it. And that's the problem. I see so many people regarding the Tyreek story, guys that I follow that are hardcore right-wing guys that will not even look at the nuance of this and say hey you know tyreek's in the wrong for rolling up his window i get where the cops could be in fear that maybe he's about to pull out a gun and plug them like that's all real that's all true i'm with

you but once they see the guy doesn't have something and they're pulling him out of the car throwing because there was a point in the video where he's like hey listen i don't want to have to you know to to use force or whatever. And then like zero to 100, he goes, oh, fuck it, I'm going to use force. And that was one of his exact words. He's like, you know what, fucking get the fuck out of the car, motherfucker.

And all of a sudden he's got him on the ground and it's like, come on, dude, do better. And that's the thing, man. You can look at these and look for nuance and find a side in each way and go figure it out. But that's not the media world that we're in right now. That's not the media landscape we're in right now. I was having, me and Jilly were having dinner and drinks with a sports talk radio host, and I don't know that he even wants this out there, so I'm not going to tell you who he is.

But we were having, and it's a guy that we're somewhat friendly with, but no one I worked with, and we're somewhat friendly with i've been no one i worked with and we're sitting there drinking beers you know and and the the talk turns to like political stuff and um he goes what are you a trumper and i go no but full disclosure i voted for trump in 2020 because i hated the place the world was in and i felt that the wrong side of things were the people who are forcing vaccines upon people, who were shutting down small businesses. And one of the lines, in a typical talk show host fashion,

particularly a typical talk show host that leans one direction, I said, and I didn't like that, you'd go to the grocery store, and we got fucking arrows painted and taped on the ground to show you which direction you had to walk in the grocery store. And this was the thing that set him off. Oh, you voted for a Nazi because the other people wanted arrows in the grocery store. I said, no, that was just one thing I threw out that annoyed me. But there were a lot of other elements that went along with that,

including forcing people to get vaccines, including shutting down people's businesses, and a lot of other factors. And I was very angry in 2020. I was just a different mindset. And I think a lot of people were angry in 2020, one side or the other. And that's the reason I went that way. But the only thing he could stick with was, oh, you voted for Trump because he put arrows in the grocery. The liberals put arrows in the grocery store. I'm like, fuck off, dude. we're not that good of friends to the point that I'll be like, I'll lose your ad. I don't need this shit. Right? Like, but that's just not how I am.

And it's not who I want to be. Now, again, if there are stories where I think a group of people are in the wrong, I'll tell you that. Like, I'm not an opinion freak. I have thousands of opinions on shit. I have strong opinions. You do have to have strong fucking opinions to make it. And there've been a lot of opinions I've had over the years that are very controversial to people and they get worked up over it. But at the end of the day, some shitty sports opinions are different than nuanced social things. And it's not as simple as, well, listen to the cops and maybe you won't get your ass thrown on the ground. on this person's profile and it's hey i bought the trump bible or you know cops are pieces of shit and blm and you go to this thing and it's like you know joy reed so it didn't have to happen that way it didn't have to go down that

way my issue still remains that people refuse to look at nuance. Like one of the great nuanced ones is the Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese thing. You want to see division. Let me start with this. This is full disclosure. I guess that was two years ago or a year and a half ago that they played each other in the national championship and LSU won. I only know who Angel Reese is because she went to LSU. And I only know who Caitlin Clark is because Angel Reese to LSU. And I only know who Kate and Clark is because

Angel Reese talks shit to her after the game. I don't know anything about women's basketball. I don't care about women's basketball. I don't care about the WNBA. I don't care about women's college basketball. I don't give a fuck. I'm sure that's sexist in some way. I don't care. But in the same way, I don't give a shit about men's or women's golf. Doesn't matter that it's a man or a woman. I just don't give a shit about it. I don't care about women's basketball at all. And I only knew these two people, one, because they went to the school that I root for, and the other because they played the school I rooted for.

And I bet on the school that I rooted for. That's the only reason. And there's a lot of people who know caitlyn clark for being a basketball player and in her own little small niche world she's a big deal to a lot of people like we were in indianapolis over the weekend there was a fever game at the arena on sunday i saw a bunch of nice lesbian women walking out of that arena small children and lesbians walking out of gainbridge field house who were super excited that caitlyn cl Clark had just come back and won a game. They love her.

In that niche universe, which women's sports, whether you like it or not, women's sports are niche, and the WNBA is niche, and women's college basketball is niche. That's just how it is. It's never going to be as big as men's basketball, the NFL, baseball, whatever. It just is what it is, and that's fine. But in that small corner of the world, it's a big it is and that's fine but in that small corner of the world it's a big deal and that's fine and it was a big deal until the Angel Reese thing happened and then what happened when Angel Reese big bad black girl taunted the white girl that taunts a bunch of

people you know what happened white dudes got involved in it and when white dudes got involved in it particularly right wing white dudes got involved in it, particularly right wing white dudes got involved in it, it became, oh, she's a piece. Remember Portnoy called her a piece of shit, I think is what he called Angel Reese for talking shit. So it becomes a huge black white story. And then you're forced to choose a side. And the side is either you're in with the good, wholesome white girl from Indiana, or you're a piece of shit liberal that rides with ghetto, thugged out black people at LSU that talk shit and are horrible and you shouldn't want your kids to be like them.

And that's why Caitlin Clark is as big as she is now. She didn't become a celebrity and become big in her own niche world because of that. She became a household name because of that. That's another opinion and hill that I will die on and i will always die on this hill if angel reese would have just won that game shook her hand and said hey girl good job angel reese isn't the star she is today and caitlin clark is not the martyr that she is today that's fact that's. But you tell this to people, and it's like, oh, Angel Reese is just, she's just glomming on, and she gets her own offensive rebounds. She's a piece of shit, and Kaitlyn Clark made her.

No, honest to God, Angel Reese being the villain made Kaitlyn Clark the star she is today. That's what made these matchups interesting. You can debate me me and we'll have at it. But most of us didn't know or give a shit about who Caitlin Clark was before the national championship game. Did not give a shit. And I really still don't. And you can see it's already kind of petering out. Like people cared about it for a little bit. And yes, they sell out games in Indiana or wherever she goes, but no one really gives a shit. Again, it's back to being a niche.

It's back to being in its own corner of society. But that's another one of those arguments that people refuse to just, like, if you're on one side, if you are someone who listens to Clay Travis and Buck Sexton and Dan Bongino and all these other guys, you cannot, in your mind, in your group of people, have the opinion that maybe Angel Reese isn't a piece of shit and that maybe she helped make Caitlin Clark. No, group of people have the opinion that maybe Angel Reese isn't a piece of

shit and that maybe she helped make Caitlin Clark. No, you can't have that opinion. It has to be that she's a piece of shit. And if you're some hardcore liberal person, you have to have the opinion that the only reason Caitlin Clark is elevated at all is because she's white. But again, those are the stories that bother me. Sports things, more times than not, when they're just debating sports shit, it is what it is. You're going to have your opinions. You make your case with the opinions. You fight about the opinions. It's sports. It is what it is. It's a small, it's not important. It's not a big deal in the grand scheme of things, but when these things bleed into social issues like the Tyreek Hill thing, it just enrages me when people cannot look at a side of something and go, you know what?

Even though I tend to lean nine out of ten times this way, this particular story is wrong. And the reality is I think most people can. this image of yourself as a political analyst one side or the other, you can't do that because then your people turn on you because they're fucking lunatics. You created the lunatics. Now you have to feed the lunatics. If you go anywhere different than where you've already led them, they'll fucking turn on you. And that's the problem. That's what happens when you build this universe that you've built and And it fucking sucks. And that's why going back to the original point of this 20 minutes we've been talking is I'll find myself in a lot of situations where I'm just kind of like, like I have this thought on something. But I think that there's a lot of people who listen to me that probably listen to me because they think I'm some right wing zealot or whatever and whatever.

And there's a lot of people who've turned off me because they think that. I don't believe I'm that. I know I'm not that. I'm not voting for anybody. I hate most political shit. I hate politicians. But when people listen and I tell them something that's slightly different than what they think should fall in line, then I'm hardcore liberal guy. You know, people forget that 10 years ago, right wing dudes in Houston fucking hated my guts. Why? Because I thought Tim Tebow was a fuck, you know, and I would make fun

of shit like that all the time. I'd be like, this guy's just a liberal. Then I get on the time I came back. And again, my opinions shifted based on the story. Like there was one story that pissed off a lot of people when I was on the air in Houston. It was during the kneeling for the anthem thing. And I truly hated that era of sports talk radio where everything was a fucking social thing. Like I just want to have fun on the radio and make fun of shit. That's what I do. But like, if I had an opinion on something, I had to go with it. I wasn't just going to not give the opinion, you know? Cause like, why should I be forced to not have an opinion on something just because my opinion's unpopular when you can turn on Fox, CNN, Fox sports, ESPN, and they all have fucking opinions on it. Why can't Josh Ennis? So I did. But there was a story about some five-year-old kids football

team in Beaumont, and their coach had them taking a knee for the national anthem. And I'm like, dude, these are five-year-old fucking kids. You're in Beaumont. You're like 10 minutes away from Vider where dudes were dragged behind trucks or whatever. Right. That was Jasper. But like we're talking about like, you know, historically, a lot of racial shit has gone down in this area. And what message or what are you trying to prove to a bunch of five year old fucking kids who have no fucking clue what they're doing? Taking a knee at a peewee football game.

Why are you doing this? It's stupid. Of course, a lot of people thought I was a piece of shit. I'm like, no no I stand by that you're putting kids in and you're using kids as a pawn in your own little game because you want to be Colin Kaepernick when in reality you're just a dipshit that coaches five-year-old kids and then of course that kind of stuff and those kind of opinions and making fun of Kaepernick made a lot of people who used to like me who thought I was like liberal down with the cause then they fucking hated me because they're like this guy's a racist at the end of the day you just gotta say fuck it

and do what you do but it's a lot easier to say fuck it and do what you do when you don't have a boss and you don't you're not beholden to other people you're not beholden to sponsors you're not behold you can just go out there and say fuck it or you can have these opinions and you make so much money for people that they can't turn their backs on you when you're that important, you know? But I guess the lesson to be learned in all of this, in this TED talk today, is that there's nuance in a lot of stuff we do. And the problem is a lot of stories include nuance, but people don't use nuance when breaking these stories down. And I think that's the biggest problem we run into with people. And that's the biggest problem with media. That's the biggest problem with all of this.

You know, it is possible to feel one way that leans left and then one way that leans right. And I think most people do that. The problem is, and I don't want to get into a deep political discussion because I hate politics anyway, but when you're in a world where you've got essentially two political parties

and they run the whole thing, you're fucked. Because I'm sure there's somebody out there, now I don't know that I believe this because I think there's a lot of people, I mean people are just power hungry anyway, but maybe there's someone out there who's like, you know, I'm all for, hey, you want to get an abortion, do it, but don't do it after like six months. But like one side would tell you, well, you're trying to control my body and the other

side would say you want to kill babies you know there's like people are fucking lunatics and social media has made it worse um you know that's why i stick mostly to instagram because for the most part instagram isn't as crazy as xx is a fucking is the wild west of psychotic opinions i just want you guys to join me in the middle damn it join me in the middle like i was talking to a guy and i won't tell you who he is either when we were in houston because i don't think he wants his stuff out there but like had a great conversation with him and he's like you know on one hand like i don't tell me i'm a piece of shit if like like i don't understand it you know what i'm saying like be it i'm not judging you i love you you're great but like

if i'm not down with the the whole thing like if i'm not down with the gay pride parade you're your dick out at a gay pride parade all of a sudden i'm anti-gay like listen motherfucker i've had multiple gay guys touch my pecker over my pants and i'm totally cool with it once you've had gay guys touch your pecker over your pants no one can call you anti-gay but if you're like hey maybe if you're at the pride parade maybe don't like throw dildos out and have your dick just flopping about like just because you're gay doesn't give you the right to go out and be completely indecent and pull your cock out in a parade.

You say that, you're like, oh, you're trying to stifle us. You're trying to, oh, you're anti-gay, huh? I bet if Trump pulled his dick out, you'd be fine with it. Like, no, I don't give a fuck. Like, just don't pull your dick out. I'm not a prude,

but like, I think that's the wrong way. And now I'm totally, now I'm on a fucking tangent. Now I've not a prude, but like, I think that's the wrong way. And now I'm totally, now I'm on a fucking tangent. Now I'm, now I've gone down a total, now I'm talking about dicks out at the pride parade and transgender and everything else. But again, there's no nuance. Like I don't care that you're gay, but you being gay doesn't make you better than me. And me being straight doesn't make who you fuck. Does it make you any better and shouldn't give you any special privileges or any laws or any special fucking holidays or anything else you fuck who you want to fuck i'm all for it i watched broke back wasn't

bad so go do what you want to do but like what like we're in this we play identity politics too much and then it trickles into sports as well. You know? You watch the way dudes play and you wonder if they're getting covered a certain way and people are treating them differently because of their race. I get it. It's just kind of the way it goes, man. But I guess I should stop this pod now before I get down a wormhole and more dicks out at the Pride Parade and get my dick touched by gay dudes and everything else.

Gay dudes do get handsy. Anyway. All right. Love you guys. See you later.