The Josh Innes Show - Tyson/Paul Fight and Eagles Win

Episode Date: November 15, 2024

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Howdy, Jamokes. What's going on? It's Josh. Glad you're with us today. Hello. It's about 10 o'clock on Friday morning. On this, the day of Tyson v. Paul on Netflix. Watched The Weigh In yesterday. I've watched the whole build-up, the little documentary series, the docu-series build-up. And I don't know why I'm so excited for this, but I am. It might just be because of the fact that having a Mike Tyson fight, when I was a kid, ordering a Mike Tyson fight was the biggest thing ever.

Like when he got out of jail for a rape that I don't believe he committed, a sexual assault that I do not believe he committed. Perhaps I'm so buried in the Mike Tyson stuff right now that I went back and watched his documentary and I'm like, this bitch set him up. I don't know. Maybe he did. Maybe he didn't. I don't believe he did. But anyway, so I'm watching all this stuff. I'm getting hyped up for it. But when I was a kid, when he got out of jail and he had his comeback fight against Hurricane Peter McNeely, I believe is what they called him. Hurricane Peter McNeely. This goofy dude that looked like an Irish version

of Tommy the Machine Gun in Rocky V, who was actually Tommy Morrison, who eventually got the hiv. But anyway, so another good documentary. You could watch that. There was a 30 for 30 about Tommy Morrison. It was one of the earlier 30 for 30s, I believe. So go back into the annals of the 30 for 30 about Tommy Morrison. It was one of the earlier 30 for 30s, I believe. So go back into the annals of the 30 for 30 series

on the ESPN Plus app and watch the Tommy Morrison one. But anyway, what the hell was Tommy Morrison's nickname? Tommy, was it the Duke? Is that what they called him? Tommy the Duke Morrison? That might be wrong. I might be conflating that with George Washington Duke, who was the Don King-like promoter character in Rocky V, which I think is actually an underrated

movie. It doesn't mean that I think it's a good movie. I think it gets unfairly maligned because it came after Rocky V, which the whole world loves universally. Although, if we want to get into a deep debate about this, I would say that Rocky 3 is the perfect Rocky movie but that's not for today but I think it was Tommy the Duke Morrison who played Tommy the Machine Gun in Rocky 5 and Hurricane Peter McNeely kind of felt like like a doofy Tommy Morrison type guy but with none of the skills whatsoever. So this fight happened in 1995, I believe. And my dad let me order the pay-per-view. So me and my grandma sat at my house. This is when we lived in Montana, Billings, Montana. And we watched Mike Tyson versus Hurricane Peter McNeely. And McNeely got knocked out in like 30 seconds or something like that. And that was that. But man, heavyweight boxing used to fuck.

It used to be exciting. Like I was into it when I was a kid. So if you'd be like, hey, there's a big, you know, there's a Tyson Holyfield fight. You're like, shit, I got to watch it. It's like Tyson versus whomever. You just go down the list of all these dudes. Like, oh shit, Riddick Bowe is boxing shit. I got to watch Riddick Bowe. boxing shit I gotta watch uh uh Riddick Bowe

who was the dude from Louisiana that killed somebody was that uh Etienne Clifford was it Etienne Clifford Etienne does that sound right that dude from Louisiana like all these dudes it was just awesome like heavyweight boxing fucked back in the day man it was a huge deal everybody knows this and Tyson was a huge part of that and then you'd get like you know George Foreman's comeback fight and you would like fights were such a huge deal and I miss that I miss heavyweight boxing mattering because I can't get into MMA like all of my buddies are into it like a lot of them are like Matt Moscona one of my friends at Baton Rouge loves MMA shit I listen to the Jim Rome, uh, Jim Rome, the Joe Rogan podcast. Uh, well, I think Rogan talks about MMA too, or Rome does, but Rogan is all about it.

Obviously he's been in that world forever. It's just something I can't get into. It doesn't do anything for me, but heavyweight boxing, when heavyweight boxing kicked ass late eighties, early nineties, every fight mattered giant pur purses it wasn't youtube dudes that were the champions of the world of the biggest names in boxing like it fucked and i guess part of me is excited for this tonight even though i know it's like it's i don't want it to be a dud from what i understand it's not selling a ton of tickets it's in jerry world it's not selling a bunch of tickets so i don't know how big of a deal this is going to be for anybody. I know the world's interested.

I know there's a lot of money in it. And I bet a bunch of people are going to watch it on Netflix. I don't know what the attendance is going to be. Not nearly as much as they hoped, but I think a lot of people are into this and this is different. Didn't Tyson have a fight, like some like dinky little fight during the Rona that you couldn't pick up anywhere. You had to

like bootleg a feed from somewhere to watch it. Like Jilly and I watched it, but we had to steal a feed from somewhere. And I forgot even who it was he was fighting. Was it, I forgot who the hell it was, but it was a waste of time. This at least feels kind of legit, although it's clearly made for television and there's a lot of money involved in it. Netflix has a ton invested in it. For whatever reason, I am excited about this. I'm not excited about any of the undercard. I don't care about the gals fighting. I don't care about the little fellas I watched at the weigh-in yesterday. Speaking of weigh-ins, boxing weigh-ins fascinate me

because these people come out, they're clothed, they take off their clothes to get on a scale, and then they put their clothes back on. Why not just come out there already disrobed, get on the scale, then put your clothes back on? It feels like there's an unnecessary step of getting undressed to get on the scale. But I'm excited about this.

I don't know why. I'm going to drink wine tonight. Look, we drank three bottles of wine last night. White wine, some Chardonnays, some Sauvignon Blanc, whatever the hell it's called. I don't know. I'm not a sommelier. I don't know all these things. All I know is it was tasty. And I will tell you this, that there was delicious, I say, delicious Martha Stewart Chardonnay that we had the other night. I don't know what makes a wine a good wine.

Like, I can't tell the difference between a nine bottle, $9 bottle, or like a $3 bottle of Rex Goliath, or a $9 bottle of Dark Horse, or some $400, $500 bottle of wine. I cannot tell the difference. I had a boss here that let me take a drink of one of his expensive wines, and I'm like, I'm going to be honest with you, can't tell the the difference. I had a boss here that let me take a drink of one of his expensive wines. And I'm like, I'm going to be honest with you. Can't tell the fucking difference. It tastes exactly like it tastes when I sit my ass on the couch and I watch a college football game that I bet on or a shitty Christmas movie where Lacey Chabay is trying to find this guy that she's in love with in a small town or whatever it is. It all tastes the same to me. Wine is the same, just like domestic beer all pretty all tastes the same to me wine is the same just like

domestic beer all pretty much tastes the same to me i have a preference for bush light but it all pretty much tastes the same to me ipas they all fucking taste the same to me whether it's nine percent whatever it all tastes the same to me i can't tell a difference between alcohols for the most part the only place i can do that is when you start getting into higher end like spirits like tequilas you know like I you can tell the difference in like a tequila that comes in a plastic handle with one of those weird caps on the top like the little plastic spout on the top versus oh wow I just got Sammy Hagar's you know mid-priced tequila, you know, for $49.50 a bottle, and it's got like the nice little cork in the top of it. Like, I can taste the difference in that. You can taste the difference

in high-end spirits, whiskeys, vodkas, tequilas, rums. You can taste the difference between high end and bottom of the barrel there. When it comes to wine, now, granted, I haven't had a ton of fancy bottles of wine, but I will tell you that wine, now, granted, I haven't had a ton of fancy bottles of wine, but I will tell you that as far as wine goes, I can't tell the difference between Dark Horse and Francis Ford Coppola and then like the higher end shit. Could not tell you the difference.

Wouldn't even know how to tell you the difference. I did watch the movie Sideways once with Paul Giamatti and Lowell from Wings. And I thought after watching that i was like 18 i'm like maybe one day i can be one of these kind of guys that like drinks wine sloshes it around spits it back into a glass and be like it's got hints of uh i'm getting uh getting a hint of maybe oak and uh um maybe vanilla like i thought maybe I could do that because when I watch movies, I'm into

whatever happens in the movie for a short period of time. Like when I was a kid, my dad took me to see the Sandlot. Then I made him take me to the sporting goods store and get a new bat, a wooden bat, mind you, because it was in Sandlot. That's how I operate. Like you go watch a football movie, you want to go out in the backyard and toss the old pig

skin around a little bit, don't you? That's how I operate that's how that's these are the abcs of me how i got to there from i'm going to be sitting on the couch tonight watching tyson and i'm excited about it i don't know tyson is an underdog today which makes sense he's 50 what 58, and the dude's 27. Let's see what the line is on this fight tonight. The Jake Paul Tyson fight. Let's see. Tyson is plus 166 on FanDuel. So I'll probably bet on Tyson tonight just to give me some rooting interest. But there's also a lot of specials and props in this that might be better off.

Like if you just take mike tyson to be knocked down in any of the first second third or fourth round so you don't have to lose just has to get knocked down it's plus 160 mike tyson to win the fight and round five to start plus 500 jake paul to win and both fighters to be knocked down that's not not a bad one. So Jake Paul to win and both fighters to be knocked down plus 500. Like I get that Tyson is 58 years old, but I just cannot believe that we would operate in a universe

where the baddest man on the planet, Iron Mike Tyson, couldn't knock down a dude who made his name doing wacky stunts on YouTube. And I know that that's not totally fair to the dude because the dude's busted his ass. Like you give him credit. Like I know a lot of people hate the dude, but look at the dude. He's yoked. Like he's turned himself into a boxer.

Now boxing fucking sucks. Now no one gives a shit about it, but he's turned himself into that. He's not just some dweeb on the internet. Like he's not a geek off the street. I think he's going to be able to hold his own, but I find it hard to believe that Iron Mike Tyson, the baddest fucking man on the planet, even at 58, wouldn't be able to knock this dude down once. So if you take both of them to be knocked down and Jake Paul to actually win the fight, that's plus 500. That's not bad value. Because I mean, I'm guessing Paul is going to win this thing. I don't know. It could also be totally staged. It could be setting up for a trilogy.

You never know. I mean, if Netflix sees the kind of bump they're going to get from this, they're probably going to want a rematch. Ain't going to be no rematch. Don't want one. It'll be like Rocky and Apollo. So I don't know. Maybe.

But that's actually a pretty solid one there. I kind of like that. Jake Paul to win. Is there one just for both fighters? Okay. Both fighters to be knocked down at any time across rounds 5, 6, 7, or 8. Now, mind you, these rounds are going to be two minutes. They're not going to be three like a standard fight.

They're two because we got an old man going. Mike Tyson to win in round five and Jake Paul to be knocked down in the first minute of round five. That's very specific, and I wouldn't do that. Let's see. Jake Paul to win in round eight and Mike Tyson to be knocked down in round seven. That's plus 4,400. Dude, these are fun. See, this will be a fun way to engage in this tonight. Put on just some wacky bets.

It's minus 170 for a knockdown in any rounds one, two, three, or four, but there's no value in that minus 170 for a knockdown in any rounds one two three or four but there's no value in that minus 170 uh and i don't want to take dudes to win the fight in specific rounds let's see mike tyson to win in the first minute of any round is plus 600 now mind you there's only two minutes in each round this will be fun tonight i don't think it's going to let down like i think it's at least going to be entertaining i hope it's going to let down. I think it's at least going to be entertaining. I hope it's going to be entertaining. Look, you can say what you want about Jake Paul. Dude's a fucking entertainer. He's figured it out.

He's hated by all these people. People who have no interest in boxing whatsoever just hate this dude and are like, we're pulling for Mike Tyson. So I'm excited about this tonight. There's that and there's crappy college football. U of H plays tonight with their quarterback whose passing yardage total is 114. This kid from Baton Rouge, Zion Chris, is his name. His passing yardage total over under is 114.5.

And Arizona is one of the biggest letdown teams of the year. They have a guy that's their quarterback. And he was a beast last year. He'd just throw it all over the place. And now he sucks. That their quarterback and he was a beast last year. He just throw it all over the place. And now he sucks. That was one of my favorite guys to bet. Noah Fafita is his name. And now he sucks. And that team sucks. And they've lost like five or six in a row. Anyway. All right. Boxing tonight on Netflix. I'm watching. I'm locked in. Got my Boda box ready to go. Iron Mike, let's fucking go. All right. I'm going to play a few commercials for you.

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breaking news but i told you that this is going to be a Saquon Barkley day and they're going to feed him and feed him and feed him because Washington can't stop the run. Now, early in the game, they did a pretty good job. He was just kind of grinding out two, three, four yards at a time, wasn't getting big pops last night, and then eventually busted it open with two giant runs late, two giant touchdown runs late that sealed the deal. And he ends up running for like a buck 50 or whatever it was last night. Sort of in the MVP race at this point. He's not going to win it, but sort of kind of in there. But I told you what you'd get out of this game. I don't believe in the Commander Skins. I don't believe in their coach. I love Jaden Daniels, but let's

be real about who they've beaten. They've beaten basically every bum on their schedule. They've lost to every good team on their schedule. You could say the same thing about the Eagles if you want to, that's fine. But the Eagles are a better team. They're a more veteran team. I don't know that I'd say they're a better coach team probably though. And they were at home and they ended up schooling Washington in the last basically 20 minutes of that game. The game really turned when dipshit backwards hack coach Dan Quinn decides, hey, our defense has pretty much held the Eagles in check all day. And we have a chance to kick a field goal to go up in the fourth quarter. You know what we're going to do instead?

We're going to go for it. And they botched it. And it'd be one thing if they were going for it when they were cruising. They were cruising that drive. That was after the Eagles took the lead, after Elliott missed the extra point. So it's 12 to 10. You're still in fine shape if you're the commander skins. And you start throwing the ball, little quick outs, little bang, bang passes to the running

backs, getting 10, 11 here, five here. And you get, I'm not going to say deep into their territory. You got to around what, the 25, 30 yard line. So I mean, you're in field goal range. And then you run the ball three consecutive times and go nowhere. And you don't kick the field goal to take the lead. How do you not take the field goal, especially when Jake Elliott's already missed two field goals and an extra point? Instead, you run the risk of going for it.

You haven't been able to run the ball all fucking day. These coaches are so stupid. Like, that's the kind of shit Sirianni does. Sirianni's probably today like, hey, watch. Look, I took the points, didn't I? And guess what happened? I missed two goddamn field goals. But yeah, so the commander skin's not ready for prime time

is essentially what you're dealing with here. You've got a team that is young, a team that's got a quarterback that's going to be great and has already shown signs of being great but that's a team that shouldn't have beaten the shitty bears they did so on a hail mary that's never a way like you shouldn't have won a game that you had to win with a hail mary and they were awful that game anyway pant you mean you've seen the team we talked about it yesterday the teams they've beaten are not good so So it wasn't shocking the Eagles beat them. It was a tight game for a large portion of it. Then the Eagles pulled away with their running game, and they won.

I'm not shocked by it. They should have won that game. They're going to win that division. I still, I'm baffled. Because Sirianni's the one that gets shit on a lot for not taking the points, and rightfully so. In the NFL, there's a big on a lot for not taking the points, and rightfully so. In the NFL, there's a big thing about you got to take the points, and a lot of these coaches avoid it, and they go for it, and it costs them games at times. Guys go for two, and they should just

kick the extra point, whatever. Sirianni is usually the one that gets shit on for that. He's kind of the regular, like the face of that, and it used to be Brandon Staley like those are the guys that would get shit on and obviously Dan really Dan Campbell's the face of of that of just hey it's fourth and two fourth and three we're not kicking a field goal we're going for it and then you get like I'd say if there's a Mount Rushmore of those guys both Sirianni and Campbell and Staley even though he's not coaching they'd all be on that guys Guys that don't take the points, guys that let their nuts hang, if you will. So Sirianni, though, actually kicked it a bunch last night, and they missed a couple of them, but they still ended up winning. But going back to that play, I mean, it was a botched play anyway.

Maybe it would have worked. Maybe it wouldn't have. Snap was botched, hits a guy that was pulling. I mean, it was a disaster. But if you kick the field goal there, you are up by a point. And keep in mind, the Eagles had done very little offensively to that point. You held them to 12 points to that point. You would have been up, presumably, if you make the kick, 13 to 12, about half the fourth quarter to go. They have to go the length

of the field to get into field goal range. Their kicker had already missed twice and an extra point. And what are you doing? You're going for it. Like, would you have done the same thing with four minutes to go? Like, what would you have done in that spot? Was it the amount of time that was left? Oh, there's just too much time. Your defense had shut them down because in reality, Jalen Hurts isn't very good. Dude's got playmaker. Dude's got A.J. Brown, Devontae Smith, Saquon Barkley, Dallas Goddard, who's one of the best tight ends in the game, and they can't get the ball going vertically consistently.

Like, Jalen Hurts is not a very good quarterback. He's mid, he's middle of the pack type quarterback guy. So if you're Washington in that spot, do you believe that Jalen Hurts is going to put a drive together to go beat you? And even if they do put a drive together and kick a field goal, worst case scenario, you're down two, you're probably getting the ball back with a chance to go and kick another field goal to beat them. But instead you see that you weren't able to run the ball on, I think it was, they got nine yards. I want to say on the first down or something like that. They ran it two consecutive times for nothing. And then they go for it on fourth and bomb it.

Like that's what, that's the difference between being a good team and being the commander skins. They're fine. And they probably will make the playoffs because if you look at their schedule, their schedule is terrible. The rest of the way. They're probably going to win four or five more games out of their schedule. Like they have got layups, probably going to lose to the Eagles. They play them again, but they've got some shit teams coming up. So they're probably going to win 10 plus games. They're not going to win the division. The Eagles should end up winning the division. Now they've got a couple of tough ones. Like they got the Steelers that they could lose. The Rams game that they could lose. The Ravens game that I would pick them to lose.

So there's a chance they could lose three more games. But I think the Eagles will eventually win the division. And fucking Saquon Barkley. I told you. And again, it was obvious. They're facing one of the worst rush defenses in the league. So it's not shocking that Saquon was able to just maul them late in the game. I told you to take the over. I took the over 93 and a half rushing yards for Saquon and tip of the cap to you, sir. But I also took the passing yardage over

for Jaden Daniels, which wasn't close, although I did go at halftime and put in a live bet on Jaden Daniels. So I thank him for throwing for, I guess he threw for 190 something, because I took him at like 170 at halftime. He had about 80 yards at halftime. I took him to be at about 175 for the game and he got there. So tip of the cap to you, kind sir, for making a couple of plays. I also took a bet that I love to take in games, each quarterback to throw for 15 yards in each quarter. I love that bet because it's usually plus money for some reason. So it's kind of an easy steal there. I also got a hockey hit last night on the total goals in all the games. It hit with a minute to go in a blowout game, just a meaningless goal from the Vancouver Canucks

that got me the over in that. But don't be celebrating for me too much. I missed a lot yesterday too, including A.J. Brown's receiving over, which looked pretty good. I missed a lot yesterday too, including AJ Brown's receiving over, which looked pretty good. I did take AJ Brown for first quarter receiving yards. It was over 14 and a half and he had like 20 something in the first quarter. But anyway, so you look at the Eagles. I don't know. First of all, Commander Skins, they're not a Super Bowl contender. We know they're not a Super Bowl contender. Nothing shocking there. Are the Eagles a contender? I've maintained that my belief is the Ravens, the Chiefs, and the Lions are the three teams that can win the Super Bowl. But now you look at the Eagles, and as I've said for the last couple of weeks, and every time I've said this on social media, the Philadelphia people just come out in full force and they're like, nope, we don't have a fucking chance.

We fucking suck. Well, now all you've done is rattled off what? Six wins in a row. They haven't all been pretty. Some have. I mean, this game was a two score victory. This was a late touchdown. That was the difference. Now you could argue, well, we were in a tight game into the fourth quarter. Sure. But when it came to nut cutting time, you went up by 16 points and they had to march down the field and score late, which by the way, have you ever seen a two-minute drill with less urgency like they're lining up they're running the ball like what the fuck are you guys doing you're down 16 points with three and a half minutes to go and it's so methodical like what were they doing but you dominated that game for the most part particularly in crunch time when it mattered you also missed a couple of field goals that would

have been a difference maker in that game earlier. So you could have, should have won by more than what you ended up winning for. So you dominated that game. Outside of that Browns game, it was a toss-up game for you that you should have lost that led to the whole meltdown with the fans. The Eagles just continue to stockpile wins.

They continue to pile Ws. They're a solid football team. Do I believe they can win the Super Bowl? No, I don't believe Jalen Hurts. I just don't believe in the guy. And I really don't believe in Sirianni either. Although if you want to talk Sirianni, if you're an Eagles fan, Sirianni has been able to weather what was a pretty big fucking storm because basically the smallest little things become the biggest thing in Philadelphia. That's how Philadelphia is, right? Now, I think the yelling at the fans thing was a big deal, especially because the team was kind of sputtering. They barely beat the shitty Browns. So that became a legitimately big story.

And in Philadelphia, shit like that can turn real quick and it can go from just a little thing to, oh shit, this guy's out of a job look I've lived it like some people like aren't very good at handling how quickly the Neanderthal wackos in Philadelphia can turn on you and turn every small thing into a massive thing I lived it it's not an easy thing to do so if you want to give Sirianni some credit this thing could have really gotten derailed really fast but instead all they've done since shit hit the fan about a month and a half ago is they just keep winning because this thing could have gone south fast this thing could have gone off the rails it could have been fucked

so that guy deserves a shit ton of credit and I know that Philly people don't really like the guy I don't like the guy he's a dude like he just comes off as a douche, although he's kind of toned down the douchiness. Basically, he got the haircut, was really douchey, argued with the fans, and then since then, he's kind of calmed down. Maybe they talked to him. Maybe ownership was like, hey, stop being a douchebag and just go win football games and stop putting on your little axe and looking at the camera and yelling at the fans. Maybe that's what happened, but give him credit because that thing could have gone really differently than it has. Now they're in first place. They've got full, they're going to win the division. So give the guys some fucking credit for as much as I dislike

him. I mean, you look at the coaches the Eagles have had historically. Currently, this guy is one of the most successful they've ever had. How many Eagles coaches have been to the Super Bowl now? Four. Vermeule, Reed, Doug, and Sirianni. He's one of the four. And again, I'm not trying to blow the guy here and tell you that he's a great coach, and I'm not telling that you have to like him. And he'll probably never be a beloved dude there because despite how good his record is and how good it continues to be he's just probably not going to be a beloved guy unless you know he leaves goes to another team wins the Super Bowl then everybody will tell you how much they loved him a la Andy Reid but that's how McDougal is like there's only like three types of coaches

that McDougal really loves like I don't even think McDougal loves Dick Vermeule I think Dick Vermeule is so far out of sight, out of mind, and he went on to win a Super Bowl with the Rams, coached the Chiefs as well. I don't know that Dick Vermeule is beloved. I think he is by a certain generation, but he doesn't get the same run as some of the more recent guys.

Basically, you either have to win a Super Bowl to be beloved, that would be Doug Peterson, and they still fired his ass. You have to have been very good for the Eagles, the best coach the Eagles have ever had, yet don't win a Super Bowl, get run out of town, then go win multiple Super Bowls elsewhere and then Philly will love you like

Andy Reid. Or you have to be a total loser that never won a playoff game, but you want to have a fist fight with the entire Dallas Cowboys. Like Buddy Ryan if you're one of those three types of coaches they'll love you other than that you're probably not beloved so I don't believe Nick Sirianni is ever going to be beloved and he's not going to win the Super Bowl this year and they're going to hate him for that and that's how it's going to go but that's how they operate there they didn't love Andy Reid reed until andy reed left and by the way had to win multiple super bowls

so they can claim him kind of like hey we made him you know like he wasn't ready for that until you know we got him ready like we were like his good luck chuck and then of course you got to love doug because doug won the super bowl and then you got to love Buddy Ryan because he wanted to fight Jimmy Johnson never won a fucking thing but he was I guess he embodied the lunatics of Philadelphia and they love him for that so anyway both the commanders and the birds neither are Super Bowl contenders but the Eagles just keep quietly flying under the radar and no one's really talking about them but they're a solid football team i just don't think they have the quarterback to win big but we shall see all right we got to do prop

to you drop later today i got to get those written out so i got to go to the mall and sit down and get my props ready to go all right we'll talk to you then