The Josh Innes Show - What Is Out There For Us?

Episode Date: November 21, 2024

Listener Louie send me a nice email about how much he's always enjoyed my shows. I don't know how, but this leads me down a road of introspection. What do I want to do? Who am I? Why do I feel like I have to be something different for everyone else? This leads to a discussion about radio. What is out there for me? While it may seem absurd, I think many of you can relate to this sort of inner turmoil I'm facing. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Say hello, friends. I listen to the Josh Ennis podcast whenever I can. Some days there's three of them. Some days there's four. Some days there's one. I don't know. I don't know. It depends on what kind of mood Josh is in.

But give it a listen. Tell your friends about it. Then shoot me a message and let me know that you've told your friends about it. Actually, I've gotten some emails from people who have done that like louis tisdale uh louis sent an email the other day so i was at the local bar wolfies and i was telling some guys about you they are saints fans i shared your sentiment about your feelings on the saints my man said josh ennis then he said that guy needs to chill the fuck out and stop being an asshole I laughed for a good 15 seconds and said nah Josh isn't that bad then he said he'd calm down and he'd be a lot better

I told him if Josh calmed down he'd uh he would not be shit and no one wants that I love you uh boy I'm having a I'm having a hard time following the conversation here, Louie, so let me backtrack a second here. Then he said, that guy needs to chill the fuck out and stop being an asshole. I laughed for a good 15 seconds and said, nah, Josh isn't that bad. Then he said if he'd calm down, he'd be a lot better. I told him if Josh calmed down, he would be shit and no one wants that. Okay, that was my bad. I misread it.

I love you the way you are, Josh and Jilly. My only gripe is that y'all say Tud, which is the worst ever. Like, instead of touchdown, Tud. You gotta get the Tud. Ugh, I'd rather you say anything else. Love you, Josh and Jilly. I just wanted to send an email and tell you about what's going on,

and I love you. By the way, I'm fucking trashed. Miller Lite, what the fuck? Three exclamation points. Thanks, Louis Tisdale appreciate you buddy um like I don't know like I don't I don't know I'm not very good at being calm and laid back people in St. Louis hated that when I did the sports fill-ins the complaint I got was this guy's got too much energy that ain't for St. Louis I'm like go fuck yourselves like you know

at some point in life you just get like I'm at that point and I'm feeling that right now where I'm just so fucking sick of having to be whatever I have to be to get the job or get to wherever. Like, I just want to be me. I don't want to be what other people want me to be. I don't want to be like, Oh, I got to be this guy. Cause I'm trying to get the job at the rock station. But if I want to be this guy, I had to be the sports guy. I have to be this, or, Oh, if I want to go to this city, I'm trying to get the job at the rock station but if I want to be this guy I had to be the sports guy I have to be this or oh if I want to go to this city I kind of have to adjust and be a little bit more this I just want to fucking be me and it drives me up the fucking wall like I know that I'm sure a lot of you guys deal with that whatever line of work you're in because a lot of people have a line of work they don't enjoy being in some people do

some people love their job some people love what they do some people are doing what they're passionate about and some people aren't some people are doing a job that just pays the bills and they fucking hate it man Jim Mudd my former producer and my best buddy Jim used to work at IAG or whatever not a IAG IEG whatever the fucking place is down there in the big building in Houston whatever the place was called so I don't even know what the hell the place was but he worked there and every day he would sit on the toilet on the clock for like half an hour, just reading stuff on his phone because he hated his fucking job. EIG, is that what it was called? AIG. AIG is what it was called. And like, he just sit there on the

toilet, dreaming of a better situation for himself, dreaming of something better than this menial nine-to-fiver that he was working to pay the bills. And by the way, there's no shame in having a menial job that pays the bills. Like, you know, I've thought about that myself. Like, you know, there's a story, and it was about the guy that played Elvin on The Cosby Show. And I forget Elvin's actual name.

But a couple of years ago, someone took a picture of Elvin from the Cosby Show, took a picture of him working at a grocery store. It was either like a Whole Foods or a Trader Joe's or something. And that became a huge story that Elvin from the Cosby Show was now working at a grocery store. And of course, a bunch of people mock him.

Ha ha, how do you go from being on the Cosby Show to being a bag boy or working at a grocery store? It's like, well, you know what, friends, there are far worse stories about people who have been on TV shows. Many people who've been on TV shows go on to do drugs and die. Would you rather be Elvin working at a grocery store or would you rather be Dana Plato turning tricks for money and dying in her early 30s? Would you rather be Gary Coleman also of different strokes? Would you rather be Tracy Gold having an eating disorder? Like Elvin had every excuse in the world after being on a big time TV show and then doing nothing to be a nothing. But you know what?

The guy still has a job and he's getting paid to do something and that's admirable. The fact that we sit back and we just mock people because the a job that we view as crappy at least they're fucking working at least they're doing a job and we should admire them for that because there's a lot of people that just sit on their asses and do nothing and we should admire people because it'd be very easy to be elvin from the cosby show and sit there and feel sorry for yourself because you used to be elvin from the cosby show and now you're working at traderader Joe's or whatever grocery store it was you're working at, but the guy's out there earning a living. And that's something to be proud of. That is something that is commendable. But as I sit here today, like, and I think about this a lot because I'm sitting around,

I'm still getting paid to do nothing essentially for the next couple of months, but I'm looking for jobs and I'm trying to find other things things and I've talked to different podcast companies and radio stations and all this shit and like you see all these people getting fired at radio jobs hey I heart laid a bunch of people off cumulus laid a bunch of people off odyssey laid a bunch of people off cox laid a bunch of people up like all these people of course the company I worked for laid a bunch of people off you don't read that a lot because for whatever reason they make no news for laying off a bunch of people. So I don't get the same pity that the iHeart fired people get. When someone at iHeart gets fired, it's, oh, they got laid off by the big bad wolf that's ruined radio iHeart.

Please help them find a job. I get laid off from a company that nobody talks about, and I'm like fucking chopped liver. But that's neither here nor there. But I read all these stories of people getting laid off from their jobs. And I read all these stories about how, uh, about the radio industry. And I'm out there sending feelers out to people. And my agent is sending feelers out to people and I'll see jobs. And I'm like, that seems like a job. I know I could do like, and if I wanted to adjust myself, could do it like but like I'm 38 years old and I just I'm so fucking tired of having to adjust myself to fit some job that's going to eventually

fucking fire me anyway you know what I'm saying I don't know if this is relating to anybody I don't know if anybody's feeling this maybe it's because I've been listening to a lot of Matthew McConaughey interviews lately and Matthew McConaughey seems like the coolest dude ever who just doesn't give a fuck. Now, granted, it's easy to not give a fuck when you're, you know, 40 something years old and you're a multimillionaire and you got a hot wife and a tequila line and like you can do whatever the fuck you want. You've won Oscars. It's a lot easier to be that guy whenever you're, you've done that. It's a lot harder to sit around and be like, all right, all right, all right, I don't give a fuck. It's easy to do that whenever you're not Matthew, when you're Matthew McConaughey versus when you're not. When you're Josh Ennis, it's

harder to sit around and be like, all right, all right, all right, laissez les bon temps rouler, all right, all right. It's a lot easier to be Matthew McConaughey than it is to be me or you or anybody. But when I sit here, it's like I see these jobs that are open and I'm like, hey, I tell my agent, like, hey, there's this job and I know I could do it. But do I want to do it? You know what I mean? Like, is that what I want to do? Do I want to, like, go to another job that I know I'm going to get fired from eventually because everybody gets fired from these radio jobs and not even enjoy myself when I'm doing it. You know what I'm saying? Do I want to do that? And I think a lot of people find themselves in that position. But me, where it really starts to hit me and where

it really starts to get me is I see Jilly and she watches the Pat McAfee show every day. She loves Pat. She's like, hey, for my birthday, can you get me a Pat McAfee shirt? And I'm like, yeah, of course I will. Like, I'm not jealous that she likes Pat McAfee. I don't give a shit. He's funny. He does a good job. I admire the guy. But what bothers me is when I see what they're doing on the Pat McAfee show. And I'm like, Josh, when you were at your fucking best, that's all you were doing. You were just playing grab ass with dudes. You were doing interviews with big sports people. You and your buddies were fucking laughing. You were having a good time. You were making news and it was fucking great. And that's what you should be doing. That's who you are. You know, I'm not a disc jockey, you know, and like, that's kind of what I had to try

to be here. I'm not a disc jockey. Can I do it? Sure. If there was a gun to my head and they said, you have to be a disc jockey for the rest of your life. I could do it, but that's not who I am. I'm not a disc jockey. I don't hit post. I can look, I am a, look, I grew up around the shit so I can do it. It's not like I can't, but that's not what my passion is in this. You know, my passion isn't being a disc jockey that tells you the latest on fog hats, 70th anniversary tour. Like that's not me. And if that is you, if you're a disc jockey and that's what you do, more power to you. But honestly, you got a short shelf life in this world because nobody fucking needs you.

You know what people need? Storytellers. They need people that bring people to the radio. They need people that bring listeners to podcasts. That's what they need. The audience doesn't need more people reading show prep websites. Hey, today is

is uh don johnson's birthday oh hey baby crockett man crockett's birthday today huh all right here's smugglers blues like no offense to those people who do it but to me that's not really a skill anymore it used to be it used to be a skill i I think PK and I had this talk drunkenly on his podcast that I made him delete because I had no clue what I said. He and I talked for five hours one drunken night in Houston. It's a show that most of you never heard unless you're like M.W. Solgrove, who for some reason watched the entire thing when it was live. But we were on there. And I don't know what the fuck we talked about, but we talked for five solid hours.

And I don't know about what, that's why I made him delete it. I'm like, I'm not going to go back and watch five hours of this shit, but I know I probably said something that's going to get my ass in trouble. So let's just erase that. So, but we talked about that. Like being a disc jockey used to be a legitimate skill because you had to jockey discs as it were. You might've had to have had a record player over

here a record player over here a tape player over here a cart player over here you couldn't leave the studio because i mean you were the guy controlling everything if the station went off the air it was on you there were no computers so you had to get a record queued up over here you had to queue that up you had to have a cart player which is basically a little mini eight track or it's like equivalent of an eight track you had to have that ready to go you had to have a cart player, which is basically a little mini eight track, or it's equivalent of an eight track. You had to have that ready to go. You had to be able to talk this, do this. It was a legit skill and you could not leave the studio unless you played a long record so you could take a leak or take a dump. That's how radio was, but it required a skill. Being a disc jockey right now does not require a skill. Everything's in a computer and most of these people don't have

the talent to even do it live. They record all the shit. They're not even live jocks. Even the people who are employed at these places, many of them don't have the ability to do it live. And a lot of the people who do do it live are not good at it. So that's why when I read these stories and it's like all these disc jockeys lost their jobs, like, sorry, but I'm not a fucking disc jockey. And that's what I tried to tell people here too. Like, I'm not a disc jockey.. And that's what I tried to tell people here too. Like, I'm not a disc jockey. I am a talk show host. I am a talker. I am a storyteller. That is what I am good at. Now, some people can say I'm not, some people can say I suck and that's totally fine. If you think I'm terrible, well, the odds are you're not listening to this podcast.

So you probably think I'm awesome if you're listening to this podcast. And for that, I thank you, but I'm not a disc jockey. And I will never be a disc jockey. And that's not what I aspire to be in life. Could I be on a music radio station? Could I do what Preston and Steve in Houston do or in Philly do or Rod Ryan does in Houston? Absolutely, I could do that.

And I think I'd be happy doing that. But what I'm not happy doing is playing eight fucking songs an hour on a rock station. That doesn't make me happy. And at some point, I've either got to just say, you know what, if I find something in this that makes me happy, then do it, but don't force something, just go find something new.

Maybe I have to do that. But back to Pat McAfee. When I'm watching Pat McAfee, and Jillian would be like, hey, you should see this, she'll send me a clip of the Pat McAfee show, and she'll go, this is hysterical, and I'm like, yeah, it is, but this is the same kind of shit I used to do

back when I was good at it and had a passion for it. And people wanted that back when I had bosses that had my back back when being entertaining mattered. But that's where I get frustrated is I see this shit. Like I scan the radio all the time. I listen to podcasts everywhere. I listen to radio stations. I stream them everywhere because I want to know what keeps you employed in 2024. And I'll be honest with you, a lot of it is shit. And it's not nearly as good or entertaining as it was when I got into it. You know, when I got to Houston in 2009, when I started doing stuff in Baton Rouge in 2004, 2005, whenever that was, it's a different type of thing. And maybe I'm a dinosaur, right? Maybe that's what I am. But none of it entertains me for the most part. There's some

that I don't think are great, but I respect them because they've been around a long time and they're able to do it and build an audience. That's fine. But this is where I struggle. Like today, I'm not going to tell you what this job is, but I sent a job to my agent, right? I just saw a buddy of mine sent me a link to a job and I'm like all right let me check this out so I sent it to my agent and I'm like I don't even have any fucking interest in this job I would literally just be doing it because I need a job it was in a place that I don't want to live it's doing something that I don't want to do and I'm like why would I even send this to my agent but it's like these are your options at this point, you know?

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And that job's not available right now. It's not an opening. So I just sit there, I'm like trying to get, somehow get this thing to become an opening, whatever. And I want that. I know what I'd be good at and I know what I should be doing. And I think that's kind of like what hurt me here

is I know what I should be doing and what I'm capable of doing and what I'm at my best. And I know the kind of people I work for when I'm at my best. I know all this. But I see McAfee and I'm like, that's what I need at my best. And I know the kind of people I work for when I'm at my best. I know all this. But I see McAfee and I'm like, that's what I need to be doing.

That's who I am. Not to rip him off or anything, but shit, I've been doing that for 20 years. Dudes hanging out, laughing, busting balls, doing dumb shit. Fuck, I'm not the first person to do that. People have been doing that on radio for 50 years. That's what radio should be.

And then I watch that and I'm like, what the fuck am I doing, man? What the fuck am I doing? Sending my agent a link to some job I know I don't want that I know I don't even make sense for, but I'm like, I can do it. I can adjust myself. And I think that, and when I say adjust myself, I don't mean rearrange my balls. I mean, I could make an adjustment and I could be what I need to be for that. But the problem when you do that, let me look, this may help none of you or it may help you a lot. And maybe you could listen to this and say, this is great advice. You could say, what the fuck do you know, Josh? Like you're a guy that doesn't have a job right now. A lot of people, when they want to rip me, that's what they do. They say, oh yeah, coming from the guy that's been fired at all these jobs. Well, I'm also the guy

that got hired at all these fucking jobs. So that says something about my ability, right? You don't want to have to change who you are for something or someone, right? And maybe I'm being way too altruistic or way too, what's the word I'm looking for? Optimistic or way too Pollyanna here. But I'm so fucking sick of having to change what I, what I am to have to be something somewhere. You know what I'm saying? I'm just, I'm 38 years old. Like now I kind of know why my dad kept the job he kept in Baton Rouge and why he got tired of moving places. Right. You know, my dad, before I was 10 or 11 years old, lived in like 10 different places, man, job to job, to job, to job. And eventually he just settled down in Baton Rouge. He's like, I make enough money here. I'm tired of moving. I'm tired of having to bounce here, here, here, and here. I'm just going to stick in Baton Rouge and this is where I'm supposed to be.

And I haven't found that place yet, but it's extremely frustrating knowing that like, like even when I got this gig here, it's kind of like, you can't really be you. And maybe, and maybe that's where I'm wrong. Maybe there is kind of like, you can't really be you. And maybe that's where I'm wrong. Maybe there is no place where you can full on just be yourself. Although I think like Joe Rogan is being himself on his thing. And I think Pat McAfee is being Pat McAfee. Now, do I think that they withhold certain things they think and feel? Sure. But that doesn't fuck you up at the core. Like we know who Pat McAfee is, but like there's a difference between like Pat McAfee doesn't go on the radio and tell you who he votes for, go on his podcast or TV and

tell you who he votes for, but that doesn't make him a fraud. That just means he doesn't want to tell you that because he's not trying to alienate people. And that's okay. When you have to kind of adjust who you are at your core to do something, I think like that makes you miserable. Do I think I could go into a situation and be a conservative talk show host? Probably. Could I fake it and be successful at it? To a degree, yes. But do I want to do that? My agent asked me that one day. She's like, do you want to do talk? I was like, what do you mean talk? She goes, well, what are your politics? And I sent like 30 emails in a row each time I think of something new. And then I never got a response. And I was like, well, that probably indicates that I'm probably not the guy for these kinds of jobs. Could I talk about random offbeat shit all day and like social justice shit and make fun of it? Sure. That's what I've done on this podcast before. You know, could I get on there and break down, you know, the, I don't know, uh, the, the, don't know, the different political shit, like different policies? No. And I wouldn't want to spend time learning that because that doesn't interest me.

But could I get on there and tell you why Jussie Smollett's full of shit? Sure. Could I get on there and tell you why AOC is a dope? Sure. But could I tell you about Project 2025 or what? No, and I don't care, you know? Um, and that's where I struggle. And again, maybe you guys don't find this interesting. Maybe you find it very interesting. I find it kind of cathartic because I've got this like inside of me and it's a problem that I have. And it's that like, I know I have to keep adjusting who I am just to get a job. And that's not the way to do things. Like at some point you want to say, if somebody wants what fucking Josh Ennis does, then they'll come get what Josh Ennis does. But then you say, what does Josh Ennis do? Cause Josh Ennis has spent the last five,

six years of his life doing shit that other people want him to do to get a job. And when Josh does what he thinks is good, it's usually, yeah, you talked a little too much there. You did like, what, like, what do you do? And that's the hard part. And I think a lot of people deal with this in their lives, man. And I think that this is a universal discussion that people have with their friends and in their lives. Because a lot of people, I'd say the majority of people have jobs that they don't want. And by the way, I don't want to try to compare being a disc jockey or working in an easy job like radio to having a real job. That's not

what I'm trying to do. But what I'm saying is I think people can relate to being in a position that they're just not happy in. Now you might say, Josh, how the fuck could you not be happy playing Van Halen records for four hours a day? And you might be right. It could be a me problem and it could be first world problem. And you're totally right. That could be true. I'm not dismissing that if that's what you're thinking right now. But man, after listening to fucking Matthew McConaughey interviews for the last two days and like, like I want to feel the way that motherfucker feels. Now, granted, it's going to be impossible because he's like a billionaire and he's got Oscars and his own tequila. And like, so again, maybe I'm being far too optimistic or I'm being naive and

that's very possible, but it's just frustrating, man. Like again, I sent my, and I'm being naive and that's very possible but it's just frustrating man like again I sent my and I'm not going to tell you where the job is but I sent a link to a job to my agent today and I didn't get a response from her but I looked at this radio station and then I went to their website just to kind of see what they do and I'm like yeah I don't I don't think that's me at all but it'd be like if they reached out we're like do you want this job I'd have to be like, sure, I need a fucking job. So here we go, on to this radio station, playing music. I want to get out of that mindset so bad.

And I do believe it's freeing. If you get to that point, look at a guy like McAfee. McAfee doesn't change who he is. Again, it's easy to do when you've got money and you've played in the NFL. But the guy built what he built. He built something successful and people wanted it. ESPN wanted what he had. He didn't need ESPN.

ESPN came to him and said, we want what you're doing. How do you get to that point in life? That's the question. And again, it's easier when you've played football and you've got money. But McAfee worked his ass off to get there, did stand up, did a bunch of shit and got to that point and earned what he has. You know, how do you do that? Like, what do I have to do? What do you do, Josh? Like you sit back and you look at all the shit you've done in your life. And you're like, you've got all this stuff that you've done and stuff you've accomplished and stuff you've failed at. You've

done all this. And it's like, well, now what? You sit around and wait for some slapdick who you don't even respect. Nine out of 10 program directors I'm going to hear from, I'm going to be like, I don't respect this fucking person. I've worked with some of the best who have ever done it. I've worked for Gavin in Houston, who's one of the best PDs I've ever worked for. And I've worked for Andy Bloom, who's one of the best to ever do it. And I've worked for Jonathan in Nashville, who I think is great. I've worked for great program directors. So I know what it's like to work for people who get it, but I also know what it's like to work with people who don't, you know, and I don't think we're getting like, we're not growing people who get it anymore.

It's more people who are just kind of hanging on because they've been at it forever. This is all they know how to do. And they're going to ride it till it bucks them. And they're not going to take chances and take risks. Not that I think I'm some sort of hardcore risk, but I just don't know if people are doing that. And that's the other scary part of it. And the other part is, Josh, why don't you just pick up your shit, move somewhere, start a podcast and really devote yourself to it like PK did. That's why PK is one of my heroes. The motherfucker took a shot that I don't have the guts to take. I admire that. You know, I don't have the balls to do what he did. I don't have the balls to get fired in Atlanta and just say, fuck it. We're loading up the truck and we're moving to Houston and we're going to try to build something. And I admire that whether it failed,

succeeded, whatever, doesn't matter. The fact is the motherfucker tried it. Me, I don't have the guts to do that. I'm still like, and maybe that's part of my dad and me. Like I want to be a pleaser to people, but it's like, I sit around waiting for people to get what I'm doing instead of just saying, fuck them and do what I think is good. And they'll come to me once it becomes something. And that's a hard part. That's a difficult thing to do. So maybe you have found this helpful. Let me read another email I got from someone as well.

I don't want to just make it sound like Louis. Thank you for providing me that email, though, Louis, that led to a 20-minute conversation or really more of a dissertation. Love the podcast. This is from Jeremy Hogan. My name is Jeremy, and I love the podcast, man. I've been listening to you since 97.5. What happened to all the YouTube videos?

I used to listen to them weekly. I especially love the one where your dad made playoff picks. He picked the Rams 19-17 over the Cards and the Bills 20-18. When you bet the Rams 19-17 and the Bills 20-17, it ended up being like $345,000. That was a fun one. God, that might have been. Was that when we were still on the radio?

Also, loved when you got Ace and Brad and them to call in because it was icy and you couldn't go to ... Oh, that was a good one. That was when we were in Nashville and I couldn't make it to work, so we were voice tracking. We had to put in the tracks for the next morning, so we did fake... God, good job, Jeremy. Well done. That was job jeremy well done that was in uh nashville i think that was in nashville uh you got me through a lot of hard times watching you and jilly miss wine party thursday you should think about every once in a while just drinking and having a long podcast with jilly those were the best any way you could post those youtube videos back i miss watching them when i'm drinking anyways thinking uh thanks for all uh you and

jilly do love you guys thank you jeremy we did do some fun stuff you know miss watching them when I'm drinking anyways, thinking, uh, thanks for all, uh, you and Jilly do love you guys. Thank you, Jeremy. We did do some fun stuff, you know, the Thursday wine parties were fun. And yeah, if I recall correctly, it was people were called. We had like our friends call and do fake phone calls, uh, for the Nashville show. Cause I couldn't make it into work the next day because of the weather. We lived on a Hill and it was icy and we couldn't get there. Well done. Excellent job there, Jeremy. Thank you. And if you guys want to send emails, messages, hate mail, positive mail, whatever it is, feel free to email joshnsshow at gmail.com. Appreciate you guys. I'll get to some other stuff here in a little bit as well, but let me get this one up

for you. You guys are wonderful.