The Josh Innes Show - What Is Queer?

Episode Date: June 4, 2025

The USA Today, our favorite national publication, posted a story about Tim McGraw's daughter being queer. Now, the story doesn't specifiy what it means to be queer. So we did some digging. What did we learn? Do we full understand this? Listen and find out. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Alright kiddos, welcome in. Here's a headline for you to kick off the day. Tim McGraw's daughter Gracie McGraw comes out as queer. Now, I don't know anything about Gracie McGraw. I'm going to assume that she, they, them is the daughter of Tim McGraw and Faith Hill. That would be my guess. I don't know if Tim had kids with other women before Faith Hill or not. I'm not positive on that. But I'm going to assume that Gracie McGraw, the now, the newly, the newly recognized as queer daughter of Tim McGraw, because the headline only says Tim McGraw. It doesn't say Faith Hill. Let's read the story. Gracie McGraw is waving her rainbow flag high. The actress singer, I don't know if I've ever heard her sing or act in anything, daughter of country music icons Tim McGraw and Faith

Hill came out as queer on June 2nd social media post celebrating Pride Month which kicked off June 1st. So for those of you who were curious about such things, first of all, I think it's kind of sexist that only Tim McGraw's name is included in the headline of this story. It says Tim McGraw's daughter. That is Tim and Faith's daughter. And there was a time that Faith Hill was on top of the world. And as a heterosexual he-him, I can tell you that old school Faith Hill was one of the hottest women to ever walk the face of the earth. Not saying she looks bad now. She's

aged pretty gracefully. I'm not going to rip on her, but I will tell you that old school Faith Hill, I'm talking this kiss Faith Hill. I'm talking about it's just the way that you love me or is that what the song is? I think. What was the song she did with Tim? There was, um, ooh it's a beautiful thing. Don't think I can keep it. Gotta let you know. It's your love. It just does something to me. Boy, that's a good jam. Let me tell you you one of the best concerts I've ever been to. Tim McGraw and Faith Hill in concert together. It was the Soul to Soul 2 tour and at the end of it like the last song they do together I think if I recall correctly. They put an old school microphone in between the two of them and they're both sitting in seats on

opposite sides of the microphone and they sing a song called I Need You which is such a good freaking song and of course Faith was like the OG Sunday Night Football chick and they've tried to they like force Carrie Underwood in there when they decided that Faith Hill wasn't hot anymore they're like nope we're going with Carrie Underwood. Let me tell you if you go pound for pound in this and you give me Faith Hill inner prime Sunday Night Football versus Carrie Underwood inner prime Sunday Night Football. Faith Hill wins that in a landslide. Breathe. She had a song Breathe and the album Breathe from like 1998, 1999. Even if you go back to the 90s with Faith Hill back when 90s chicks had like the big kind of permed out like tall hair and hair sprayed hair. Oh God! Anyway I say that

because I'm just letting the world know that I am openly heterosexual, he, him, and I think that Gracie McGraw's mother Faith Hill was just a dime piece in the day. Anyway let me play some commercials and we'll continue. The NBA Finals are finally here and after spending the playoffs all over the Pick Six app from Draft Kings, well, we're ready for the championship round and this is your last shot to win some real cash before the season ends. The simplest way to get in on the action is downloading the Pick 6 app from DraftKings and it's super simple. Just pick more or less on the stats for two or more of your favorite players and boom, you're in the mix for big cash prizes. Now your picks and you're heating up. Pick 6 brings upside with payouts up to 500 times. Are you ready

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Instagram story which read everyone get more gay now alongside the pro LGBTQ graphic McGraw wrote happy freaking pride I love being queer. Now what does queer mean exactly? I'm not positive. Let's see. Pride Month is a celebration within the lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and queer community used to commemorate the lives of LGBTQ individuals past and present. The first Pride Parade took place in New York City on June 28, 1970, one year after the Stonewall riots, and it was held alongside those in Chicago, San Francisco, and Los Angeles as the inaugural protest in March. Cool. Great, like there's a whole breakdown of what Pride Month is. Thank you. McGraw has

followed in her parents footsteps as entertainers. She appeared in nearly 20 episodes of the Tyler Perry series, If Loving You Is Wrong, no clue what that is, as well as starred in an off-Broadway production of Babe in Fall 2024 alongside Marissa Tomei and Arliss Howard. During an August 2023 interview with USA Today, McGraw's father, Tim, praised her artistic prowess after watching her perform at Chelsea Table Plus stage in New York. We were in tears the entire time because she was so so good. So that's all that's in this story. Like so to make news in USA Today is all you have to do is just yell things like I'm so proud to be queer. Hold on. Let me like let me break. I know I got to find out. I figured that

story instead of explaining to us what Pride Month is, which we all know. Like what a waste of a story! It's like, well, this is a good thing to get people to click. Let's say that Tim McGraw, not Tim and Faith, but Tim McGraw's daughter is queer and then we'll get people to click on it, then the story will literally be nothing about this chick, except she was in an ep- uh, 20 episodes of some Tyler Perry show seven years ago and that Gay Pride Parade started in 1970. Queer, I need queer definition because I do feel like in my time the definition of queer has changed. Let's see queer definition. Let's see oh good we got a full breakdown here. This is good. In the context of the LGBTQ plus identity, queer and gay can be used in different ways and have distinctive nuances. Well, thank you. Gay typically refers to a person who is sexually and or romantically attracted to people of their own sex or gender. It is often used specifically to describe men who are attracted to men, although some women may also identify as gay. So just to break this down for you, there is gay and there

is lesbian, but they're both the same thing except gay is a gay man and lesbians are gay women. Queer is a broader term that can be used in a few ways. Well, here comes our breakdown of queer. As an umbrella term, it can refer to anyone who does not identify as heterosexual and or cisgender. This includes individuals who identify as lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, or other identities outside of traditional heterosexual cisgender binary. So just to make sure I got this straight, and I just want to make sure we're clear here. So queer is an umbrella term that is thrown over everyone who is lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, then why the hell does this letter matter in this letter of supere? As a specific, oh, there's more.

Okay, my bad. Okay. So as a specific identity, some people use queer as their personal identity, indicating that their sexuality and or gender are fluid, complex, or do not fit neatly into established category. So like you probably fuck dudes. Like if you're a chick, you probably more than likely are fucking dudes. But then like on occasion, you'll see a chick like Sabrina Carpenter's ass hanging out of some jean shorts

in that video she posted the other day and you're like, huh, I think I might like to take a bite out of that. I think she looks good. Doesn't mean you're going to act on it, but it means you've looked at somebody and you've gone, huh, she's kind of hot. I don't know if that's what that means. As a political statement, queer can be used to signify a rejection of heteronormativity and a desire to challenge societal norms around gender and sexuality. Well, here's the thing, though, and I'm not saying this, you know, to be a wacko because I'm not like religious or anything like that.

But when you say heteronormativity and a desire to challenge societal norms around gender and sexuality, these aren't really like societal norms so much as like science norms. Like two lesbians can't scissor a fucking baby into each other. A dude and a lady can make a baby and that's like biology. So I like when people use these terms like we gotta get past heteronormativity and these societal norms around gender and sexuality. that's just the way the biology works of it again. I don't care that you're gay be super gay but if so, let me go back to the as

a spy as a specific identity that's the same as the same as the same as the same as the same as the same as the same as the same as the same as the same as the same as the same as the same as the same as the same as the same as the same as the same as the same as the same as the same as the same as the same as the just the way the biology works of it. Again, I don't care that you're gay, be super gay. But if, so let me go back to the as a

as a specific identity as a breakdown here, okay? So queer is a broader term that can be used in a few ways. The umbrella term we did in a specific identity, some people use queer as their personal identity, indicating that their sexuality and or gender are fluid, complex, or do not fit neatly into established categories. Here's essentially what I've broken down about this. Every one of these letters basically means the same fucking thing. Like they all like, like, look,

are you gay? No, I'm, I'm, except for trans. Trans is its own category and then what's happened is you've thrown, like I still am not of the belief that people who are just your straight-up normal garden variety gay people like that they're lumped into the category with trans people as well because they're two totally different things, right? Like there, I bet you there are a lot of dudes who are just gay put on a suit, go to work, go home, watch TV with their husband or whatever and they're like, I don't really want to get involved with the whole

like, oh, there's a boy who's now a girl that runs track against girls and beats them by like a thousand yards. Like that person doesn't want to be in that world. That person just kind of wants to be in the gay world and they're fine with that. Like as I break this down, again, none of this is meant as an insult. I'm not gay, don't care that you're gay, right? Be whatever. I love gay. Look, I got a lot of gay friends, at least like two or three of them and that's a lot. But the idea that it means that you're fluid, complex, you don't fit neatly into

established categories, okay, so that means that like you just think other people are attractive like of both sexes, but I thought that that was asexual or pansexual. Like the gentleman that or they them, that's the singer for Panic! At the Disco or actually just is Panic! At the Disco because I don't believe Panic! At the Disco is a band, I just believe it's a person. So the fellow, the gentleman that sang that song with Taylor Swift, that's Panic!

At the Disco and then of course Panic! At the Disco had their biggest hit, write Sins Not Tragedies just imagine as I'm pacing the church and the blah blah blah blah and I can't help over here. So if that's the case then like if I am I queer if I'm like you know what I saw that George Clooney was on Seth Meyers last night I I saw a video on YouTube, and look, I would not consider fucking George Clooney because I'm not into dudes, but I find him to be very attractive and I can see why other people do. Am I queer? Like, it just feels like

we're trying to throw these blanket statements over everybody just to try to like make everyone queer. And like, what does any of this mean? Like, I don't understand it. And again, to be clear, questions don't hurt, ignorance does, right? That's what Jerry Jewell, the gal, the disabled gal that was in the episodes of Facts of Life, you know, cousin Jerry, who said questions don't hurt, ignorance does. I'm asking questions here legitimately because it's like I guess my issue here is like going back to the initial story and the initial story is that Tim McGraw, not Tim and Faith but just Tim McGraw's daughter even

though she is Tim and Faith, they them is Tim McGraw and Faith Hill's daughter is queer and like what exactly does that mean? Are you just like looking to be like there's a party and you feel like you should be part of it? Like I need you to like here's the deal. If you're gonna come out as straight gay whatever I need documentation that signifies that you fuck dudes or ladies. That's what I need. I think we need to do that. I think we need papers. Like I'm Josh Ennis and I specifically just fuck

dudes or whoops that did not come out right. I don't look I don't judge you if you do. But I don't fuck dudes I fuck ladies mostly I fuck my hand. So anyway, point being in all of this, like if you're bisexual, then like say you're bisexual, but like the idea that like I'm queer, like, then what is that that just sounds like kind of a cop out phrase that you use to get attention during Pride Week. I'm gonna have to ask my gay friends about that. I've got gay friends and I'm going to ask them about this.

I think that queer is a cop out. Queer is like, look, look, it's Pride Month and I'm lonely that I'm not getting attention and nobody really knows who I am because I'm Tim and Faith's daughter, but the internet only says I'm Tim McGraw's daughter, but I'm Tim and Faith's daughter, and by God, says I'm Tim McGraw's daughter, but I'm Tim and Faith's daughter. And by God, I'm a they them and by God, it's Pride Month

and I want a little bit of fucking attention too, so I'm queer. Well, what does that mean? Like what makes you different sexually than like there's a ladies that fuck dudes, they're straight and there's dudes that fuck ladies and they're straight and then there's dudes that fuck dudes and they're gay and there's ladies that fuck ladies

and they're gay. What is specific about you? Have you ever fucked a chick? No. Have you fucked dudes? Yeah, I have. Great. So that makes you heterosexual. You are a straight person. No, I'm queer. Well, what do you mean you're queer? Well, I look at ladies and sometimes I think they look cute. Well, I'm a dude and sometimes I look at George Clooney and say, oh, he looks cute. It doesn't mean that I'm queer. It just means that I'm looking at George Clooney and I think he's attractive. What does it all mean? mean that I'm queer, it just means that I'm looking at George Clooney and I think he's attractive. What does it all mean? So, like, can someone ask a follow-up? Like, I want someone to follow up with

Tim McGraw and Faith Hill's daughter, but just Tim McGraw for the sake of the USA Today story, and I want to know, at least the headline, and I want to know, like, what makes you queer? Because to me queer just feels like the Q isn't necessary, right? Like because queer doesn't really have a true definition. Like gay, you know what the definition of gay is? You fuck the same sex. That's gay, right? Lesbian is really not necessary. That's just because the ladies have to have their own specific thing. But you're all fucking gay. Gay is gay. So it's like the term for gay men is gay, but the term for gay ladies specific thing, but you're all fucking gay. Gay is gay. So it's like the term for gay men is gay, but the term for gay ladies is lesbian, but they're both gay. So why is

the L necessary in any of this? How about just gay? Really, this could be done with just GBT, right? Gay, bisexual, trans. You don't need the L. You don't need the Q. Basically, you're adding letters so you can add people to your movement here that really shouldn't be in your movement, who really... Let's go back and look at old girl that we were talking about the other day. Who's the JoJo Siwa? So JoJo Siwa was like queer and bi and all this shit, right? And then now magically she's got a fucking boyfriend. Like to me, if you have a boyfriend,

at this point you're kind of a straight person, at least temporarily straight, right? Like again, just asking questions, trying to understand it, not judging you at all. Fuck who you want to fuck, whack off to whoever you want to whack off to, watch whatever kind of porn turns you on. I'm just asking questions. But like going back to the baseball game thing the other day, like I feel like each of these letters should have their own day at the ballpark in June. Like lesbians should

have their own day. Trans should have their own day. Not just LGBTQ. Now, is it a thing where they combine all these letters because they want people to not feel alienated? Maybe that's the case. I don't know, but I really feel like you don't need lesbian and you don't need queer because real talk queer is honest to God to me, outsider, not queer, straight, the he-him. I feel like what we're looking at here is Q is just kind of a lazy thing you throw in there. So a bunch of people who are

just kind of like 21 years old don't really know what's going on in life and are looking for a group or like, hey, I'm queer. I don't do like I'm not full on committed to you know, box munching and I'm not full on committed to you know taking a hog if I'm a dude but like I'm queer, you know, like is that the kind of term you give people? Like for like, again, you're watching a movie and like one day you don't really find chicks attractive.

Then one day you're watching Wild Things and there's Denise's Richard's titties out and Denise Richards is over here like making out with Neve Campbell. And you're like, I find myself turned on by that. And then you start having weird feelings. Like, am I gay? And you're like, no, I'm not gay

because I banged my boyfriend on the reg. But like I have feelings when I watch ladies on TV making out and I kind of like it and my bean tingles a little bit. So I'm like, wait a minute, am I queer? And then you get to throw that on there, then you get to celebrate Pride Month too. I think you're trying, queer to me is a term where you're trying to have the, you're trying to have your cake and eat it too. Or in the sake of this argument, you're

rug and eat it too. And I think that's what we're dealing with here is you've got queer and queer is a lazy term that should not exist. Because back in my day, queer was a negative term that you weren't supposed to call people. Now, is it like one of those things that we're taking back the queer and that's why it's in there? Like now it doesn't hurt us because we own the queer now. These are all legit questions I have. In no way am I judging, in no way am I being a bad person, in no way am I criticizing you for who you choose to bang.

I, like most people in this country, don't give a shit. I am confused as to why someone being quote queer is a story in the USA today. Why this is a story, I don't know. Now, if someone who's like a hardcore heterosexual male, like when Rock Hudson was revealed to have AIDS, like that's a big deal because he was viewed as like the man's man, right? Like when you hear a story, like if you would have heard a story that was like, hey, by the, like I wasn't alive for it, but if you were like, hey, Freddie Mercury is gay, you're like, oh

no shit. And then you just continue eating your dinner because some things aren't shocking like hey did you guys hear that Elton John is gay? Can you pass the peas? Like that's like no shit right? Like if someone who like you wouldn't think is gay at all and then they're gay that's a story I guess. The daughter of Tim McGraw and Faith Hill although the headline does not specify she is the daughter of Faith Hill because for some reason Faith Hill is not important enough to be in the headline, the 28 year old daughter sort of star of some Tyler Perry show saying she's queer and saying happy freaking pride to me doesn't sound like a huge story. And like if you're like somebody who's like legit in the community, if you're like a gay dude and you've spent your life getting oppressed by people because you're like a flamboyant type gay person and it's kind of obvious that you're gay and you got bullied in high school a little bit, you were uncomfortable in gym class and shit like that. If you were like a

theater gay in school and then you like you see like Tim McGraw and Faith Hill, although she's not mentioned in the headline, you see them getting like recognized for being queer. You're like, go fuck yourself. Like you got to, right? Because like you fought the good fight. Like you lived the life of like where being gay was like not a popular thing and not trendy. Like when you see people like Demi Lovato and Demi Lovato like goes from being the hottest chick I'd ever seen. I was in love with Demi Lovato. Then one day she was like she looked like one of those she looked like a roadie for Black Sabbath but then like it kind of evolved and she looked kind of like someone who

could pull a Volvo on a rope with her teeth on ESPN ate the Ocho and you're like what the fuck happened to this chick? Then the next minute she's totally heterosexual, totally straight and then you're like now she's married to a dude and looks hot again. Like what the fuck and why is it that when Demi Lovato had to be like in her phase of like hey am I queer, lesbian, whatever? Like why did she have to dress like like a like a like the brawny paper towel lesbian?

Why can't you be hot and be a lesbian? Like that one gal that's in the Mean Girls musical, the video I saw the other day, she was at one of these award shows, and she's really hot, and I think she's a lesbian, I think? And she's really hot, why can't you be a hot lesbian? Demi Lovato was lesbian cosplaying. She's like, well, I guess this is what queer is. And then she's like, hey, I need

flannel. Yeah, I need to look like I traveled the world following Stone Temple pilots. So this is how I look like. Why is that? That's why I think sometimes people don't take the cause serious is because they see what some of these people seeking attention do, and it kind of hurts your actual movement. And I think that happens to a lot of movements. Like when people see Sean King, and I don't know whatever happened to Sean King, but like people see Sean King and how much of a goofball this

guy is, it actually hurts the movement for like black stuff, right? You're like, huh, like this guy's a fucking clown, and it's a negative impact on what you're trying to accomplish. of like like an Al Sharpton used to be or a Jesse Jackson used to be so then you see like Tim McGraw's daughter who's just vaguely like I'm queer now like I want to break down like what like can you tell me like what queer means to you is queer like you know a choose your own adventure is queer one of these things where you can just go hey hey, you know what, you're queer. Like what does queer mean to you? And it means, well, you know, I,

you know, one time I was watching, you know, Disclosure and I was really turned on when Demi Moore started sexually assaulting Michael Douglas. But the most thing that turned me on the most is when her brassiere was ripped open and I saw her bosom and I was like, oh, am I queer? I think that's part of the problem now is it's become such a trendy thing and it gets you a lot of tension online that people who are legit gay are being kind of pushed to the side. So some random celebrities kid can be like, hey, by the

way, I'm queer and like it's just like I think we should eliminate the Q. I think we should eliminate the Q and the plus and the L because gay is lesbian, lesbian is gay. So why does it need its own term? It's kind of like actor and actress. What the fuck is an actress? That's not a thing. You know what a lady actor, an actress is a lady actor. So they're just all like if you want to do an Oscars and be like, all right, the best male actor and the best lady actor, actresses aren't a

thing. I understand them all over the place. I think one day this podcast is going to win an award. This was a very progressive open-minded discussion here as we celebrate Pride here on the Josh Ennis show. It is important to note that I have a handful of gay friends and they're wonderful people and I would never insult them and I hope that I didn't insult you here. That was not my intention. It is just a straight man who likes to watch Pornhub straight porn. I don't really get into the idea of a dude on a dude and real

talk. I'm also fair. I don't really like girl on girl. Doesn't really do anything for me. I like a P and a V. I'm old school. That's how I kick it. So my intentions are not to insult my intentions are not to

be rude. My intentions are to ask questions and mainly like why is someone being queer a story? Because what is queer? Because queer just sounds like an umbrella term for all of the other letters. Anywho, glad we had this talk, more to come.