The Journal. - A Syrian Father’s Journey to Find His Son

Episode Date: April 28, 2025

Suleiman al-Youssef’s son, Shadi, has been missing since the beginning of the Syrian civil war. After the Assad regime was overthrown, Suleiman found new hope when he discovered a video of a man who... looked like his son outside the country’s most notorious prison. WSJ’s Ben C. Solomon on Suleiman’s search for his son and Syria’s thousands of other missing loved ones like him. Kate Linebaugh hosts. Further Listening: - Assad’s Regime Falls. What’s Next For Syria?  - Ten Days That Shifted Power in Syria  Sign up for WSJ’s free What’s News newsletter . Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 I haven't seen him for 12 years. I don't know anything about him. Suleiman Al-Yusuf is a father of seven. He lives outside Damascus and works odd jobs. Twelve years ago, his son Shadi went missing, and he's been looking for him ever since. Our colleague Ben Solomon talked to Suleiman last December. What were your first impressions of him?
Starting point is 00:00:34 So when we first met him, he was just very kind, very gentle, and really just soft-spoken. It was clear that he didn't come from a lot of money, that he was a working-class guy and that he just didn't know really where to turn. He didn't know how to approach this search, but he was going to do whatever he could. Suleiman showed Ben the only clue that he had that his son was alive— a video. — And when Allah—
Starting point is 00:01:10 — Allah! — Allah! — Allah! — The video shows men being released from prison after the fall of Syria's dictator. There, in the crowd, Suleiman pointed to one man, who he said is his son. He said, when I saw the video, I knew. I said, that's Shadi. He also said, if you put him among a million people,
Starting point is 00:01:41 I could still pick him out. And when he showed us the video, I mean, it was shocking. Ben makes documentaries for the Wall Street Journal and decided to follow Suleiman's journey. It was like, oh, this is, I mean, I immediately thought, wow, this is gonna end with a happy ending. Like, he's gonna find his son. We gotta follow this guy. When I went to Syria,
Starting point is 00:02:13 I knew I wanted to find someone like him. I knew I wanted to find somebody that was actively looking for the family because there was hundreds of thousands of people that were missing. So we decided to start following him. And what we found was a much more complicated and much more powerful and also sad,
Starting point is 00:02:31 but also hopeful story that spoke to the country at large and not just his case. Welcome to The Journal, our show about money, business, and power. I'm Kate Leinbaugh. It's Monday, April 28th. Coming up on the show, the search for shoddy. From early morning workouts that need a boost, to late night drives that need vibes, a good playlist can help you make the most out of your everyday.
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Starting point is 00:04:07 listen to him. What did Suleiman say about the last time he saw his son? So Suleiman told us that the last day that he saw his son, the son was trying to go out, trying to work. And Suleiman was like, just don't go to Damascus. Don't go to the city. Don't cause any problems. Don't test it. Just stay home.
Starting point is 00:04:35 He took the car keys away and hid them so his son wouldn't sneak off. Eventually, Shadi got hold of the keys and drove into the city. He was arrested at a checkpoint. Shadi disappeared at a time of tremendous conflict in Syria. There were widespread protests against the oppressive regime of Bashar al-Assad. And the regime was indiscriminately arresting
Starting point is 00:05:05 men of military age. With all that chaos, Suleiman had wanted his family to keep a low profile. This is a really poor family that was just trying to do whatever they could to make money. And so he and his wife were telling their son all the time, lay low. Don't make a fuss,
Starting point is 00:05:25 don't get in trouble, because they were just arresting any military-age man around that area. And then not long after the fighting started, his son went out and then he just never came home. What did he think happened to him? So for a long time, Suleiman told us they just didn't know. It could be any number of things. The son could have been killed, he could have been shot, some of the crossfire,
Starting point is 00:05:52 because there was a lot of active fighting all around that area back then. You know, they don't know. And for the longest time, he just like searched wherever he could. He searched wherever he could. And Suleiman told me that they were always thinking of him. We were always thinking of him. We always, on any occasion, would think of him. We would cry and wish that he was there with us. He would have gotten married by now.
Starting point is 00:06:21 He would have had kids. He would have had grandchildren. So we didn't forget him one bit, not one bit. And there was always hope that we would find him, we would always pray and send him our prayers, that one day he might return to us unharmed. For years, Suleiman looked for his son.
Starting point is 00:06:42 He went to prisons, he talked to locals in Damascus. He looked online. This was a systemic machine of disappearing people that were opposed to the government. And so many people were being put in the same position where they just did not know what happened to their family members.
Starting point is 00:07:00 And to say anything and to be loud about it and to push or to fight with the government would risk your safety as well. So you know, he was suffering in silence. And like so many Syrians, there was no recourse to try to find what happened, to try to get any kind of justice, to try to get any kind of information. So it was just years and years of kind of waiting and kind of staying quiet. — Then, in December last year, Assad was overthrown. — And thousands of people were freed from prisons.
Starting point is 00:07:35 While there were many celebrations, there was also chaos on the streets of Damascus. Many of those prisoners didn't know how to get home. I mean, the reality of the situation in Syria back then was that it was mayhem. Like, so many different—nobody knew what was happening. It was just chaos. There was—nobody was in charge yet. There was no kind of, like, overarching mechanism for anybody to figure anything out. There was no government. The government had just left. So it was rumors. And a lot of the rumors that were going around were that some of these people that were coming out of the prisons did not remember who they were, did not remember any of their history,
Starting point is 00:08:12 did barely know their names. And then Suleiman found that video of the man who looked like Shadi. The video shows a crowd of freed prisoners thanking God for freeing them. They're outside Sinaiya, an infamous prison known as the Human Slaughterhouse. The men are skinny and bald. And Suleiman thought that one of those men was Shadi. At one point I asked him if seeing the video made him feel better or worse, and he said, of course, better. Wow.
Starting point is 00:08:49 I was sure that he still exists. There was no room for doubt that my son is alive and that he's there and that he was released from prison. But I just want, I just am dying to find him. I'm dying to find him. I just want, I just, I'm dying to find him. I'm dying to find him. Thousands of men had disappeared during the Assad regime. Ben wondered, what are the chances that in this random video, Suleiman actually saw his
Starting point is 00:09:18 son? So, it wasn't until the first time that I saw, I went to his house and he went through a photo album and he showed me the pictures of Shadi and I took pictures and I went back to my hotel and I looked at them side by side, the videos of the man from the night that Sinai opened, the photos of Shadi as before he was arrested and I just you know I wasn't sure, I couldn't be sure and I showed it to some colleagues and they weren't either and it was, you know, I wasn't sure. I couldn't be sure. And I showed it to some colleagues, and they weren't either.
Starting point is 00:09:46 And it was just, you know, when you hear from a father, that that is my son 100%. You know, what can you say to that? It's either like, who else would know? And a mother too, Umfadi, his wife was also just convinced, that's him, that's 100% him,
Starting point is 00:10:02 and we have to find him. That's him. That's 100% him, and we have to find him. Shadi's mother Mfadi said, He's my son. What's more to say? He's a piece of my heart. She said their lives were shattered by his absence. But our lives have been turned upside down. It was such a crazy time that it felt not unlikely that his son might not just have been able to find home. They had moved from their original place where they had lived before.
Starting point is 00:10:41 So it was a high likelihood that it was him. But you know, days turned into weeks, turned into months, and then from afar, as I was just texting him on WhatsApp and just, you know, he would tell me no information, no information, nothing new. At a certain point, did you think it was a dead end? I think at a certain point, we kind of started to feel that maybe it's not him. It seemed more and more unlikely that this guy just had so much memory loss that he couldn't hit home.
Starting point is 00:11:18 And that was when we kind of started digging deeper. That was when we started joining these Facebook groups, getting into these accounts of lost people, and starting to look for Shadi ourselves. Ben joined Suleiman in his search for Shadi. And what he found wasn't what he expected. That's next. Talking about guns with others might not always feel comfortable, but it could save a life. Here's a way to start a conversation.
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Starting point is 00:12:30 brought to you by the Ad Council. To help Suleiman in his search for Shadi, Ben started looking online, trying to find the man in the video. We started looking for this photo, and we just put out word. Anybody could tell us any information. Does anybody know who this person was? -♪
Starting point is 00:12:57 Ben got some help from a local journalist in Syria named Aroub Hamoud. Aroub posted about Shadi on Facebook groups and made lots of calls. She chased down leads and tried everywhere she could to find the man in the video. And then in February, she got a hit. Finally, you know, after months and months
Starting point is 00:13:22 of writing around, randomly just got a Facebook message. And a man wrote to her and said, hey, that's actually my cousin. And here's his name, and here's he is, and here's his story. And then sent a picture of the same man wearing the same thing. So Aroub called him.
Starting point is 00:13:46 The man from the video was in another part of Syria. So Aroob set up a call with Suleiman. Suleiman took the call from his house. He sat on his couch and fidgeted with his keys. Umfadi sat across from him. Hello. I think he knew as soon as he started talking to him that this is not my son.
Starting point is 00:14:14 And I think that was really tough to see. The man wasn't shoddy. Suleiman still had questions. How long had he been in prison? The man said, over seven years. And then Suleiman said, I saw you in the video. I thought you were my son.
Starting point is 00:14:47 The man on the call responded, God willing, God willing you will find him soon. Suleiman asked him some more questions about the sweater he was wearing in the video, the cigarette he was smoking. He also asked him where he's from. And Suleiman again told the man that he really, really thought he was his son. The man responded the same way he did earlier. God willing, you'll be reunited with him soon. The call ended.
Starting point is 00:15:26 Suleiman put down the phone. And he said, it's not Shadi. It's not his voice. Suleiman stared at the ground. He rubbed his face. He said, This means, Shadi is dead.
Starting point is 00:15:54 Suleiman stared beyond Ben's camera. He repeated out loud that Shadi was gone and whispered a prayer. He rubbed his face again. Umfadi left the room. And it was just a two minute call, but in those few minutes there was just these long pauses where he just kind of waited to kind of hear this man's voice and just think about what to say next. I mean, it was really hard to kind of see him slowly realize that this is not his son and that this is the end of his search.
Starting point is 00:16:50 Ben learned that Suleiman wasn't the only person who thought the man in the video was their loved one. So many people were posting the same photo and their son next to it and their brother and their cousin. They thought it was their relative. It was hard to see these faces over and over of so many people seeing their sons. You know, this, people were desperate.
Starting point is 00:17:15 Like this is a country of desperate people with no information and for years just had given up hope. Like these are just hundreds, if not thousands of Suleymans who just believed that this could be their family member. And it was just, you know, he had bushy eyebrows and he was gaunt and he looked like a face that so many people could just see their love in and see their hope in. So in some ways it was really inspiring, and in other ways it was really, really hard to hear and see. What does Suleiman now think happened to Shadi? Well, Suleiman, he's kind of back to just the same place
Starting point is 00:18:00 he started years and years ago, unfortunately. He doesn't know. There's no information. I still think part of him holds on to hope a little bit. I think even though he kind of has to say goodbye to this hope, to this moment, there's still a part of him that wants to think that maybe he's still out there
Starting point is 00:18:20 and maybe there's something he doesn't know. This is not just Suleiman's story. It's the story of so many people in Syria. I mean, you hope so much that there's like, there's some happy endings for people like Suleiman, but, you know, it's, that there's some hope that, that so much of the suffering will have meant something.
Starting point is 00:18:44 But, you know, as the, as the new country just tries to rebuild itself from decades of pain and silence and war, it's hard to know what happens next. That's all for today, Monday, April 28th. The Journal is a co-production of Spotify and the Wall Street Journal. Additional reporting in this episode by Bel Cushing and Aroub Hamoud. Special thanks to Rasha Ali for helping this episode. Thanks for listening. See you tomorrow.

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