The Journal. - Camp Swamp Road Ep. 2: A Game of Telephone

Episode Date: September 21, 2025

After Scott Spivey was killed in a shootout on Camp Swamp Road, his sister Jennifer Foley wanted to know what happened. But the police didn’t provide the family with answers. So, Jennifer began her own investigation. WSJ reporter Valerie Bauerlein goes to South Carolina to see what Jennifer uncovered. Read the Reporting: ‘You’re Taken Care of’: Did Police Promise to Shield a Killer? Further Listening: Camp Swamp Road Ep. 1: Mess Around, Find Out Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

A word of warning. This series contains descriptions of violence and strong language, including unbleeped curse words. Please be advised. Previously, on Camp Swamp Road. I've got pictures of him aiming the gun at us, everything. He's about to put the gun out again. Sir, this guy aims that gun at me. We're going to have to shoot him.

There is a guy that is waving a gun in front of me trying to shoot at my car. and the other ones beside us he's all over the road. And I look at my cousin, I'm saying either Scott's been murdered or he's murdered or he's murdered somebody. What's going on?

And no one will tell us. He's shot at us. You're good. You're good. Don't worry about it. Things happen. I don't understand this one. It's the day after the shooting.

The lead investigator assigned to the Scott Spivey case is Detective Allen Jones. This is for the audio recording. For the phone call with Mr. Byron and Deborah Spivey, the parents of the seat in Scott Spivey. Detective Jones records himself on his body cam. In the video, he looks. looks tired. He had stayed up late. At 2.10 a.m., Jones had filed his initial report, which said that the shooting on Camp Swamp Road appeared to be justified. It's now around two in

the afternoon, and Jones is reaching out to the Spivey family for the first time. Scott Spivey's mother answers the phone. Hello. Is this Ms. Deborah Spivey? Yes. Ms. Spivey, I'm Alan Jones. I'm a detective, DeVoree County Police. Yes, sir. Hold on just a moment. If you to hold on just a moment. Okay. It's a detective. You want to go back there so you can hear. Hold on. It's going to get my door with your speaker. Okay.

Where is Jennifer? Deborah calls for her daughter, Jennifer Foley. We're sitting in the back bedroom. We can take all the chairs back there, and we're sitting around, and we're all He's on speakerphone, and we're all sitting the room. There's probably ten of us back there. Since the early morning, family members have been trickling into this Bivey house. Ants, uncles, cousins, waiting to hear more about what had happened to Scott. Well, I still have a couple of, I guess, unanswered questions here and there.

And actually, I was hoping maybe talking with you guys may clear some of that up for me. Okay, we hope we can. It started off immediately was Scott going through a life crisis. Just trying to understand. Scott, did he have any kind of medical issues or anything of that nature? No, not that we're aware of, no.

Was Scott doing drugs? Was Scott this? Was Scott that? And I'm like, pump the brakes and tell us what happened first. Has Scott ever had any kind of issues with any drug abuse issues or anything of that nature? No, not really. As a teenager, pot, and no, but, like we got no clue what's happened. And when those questions started coming in, we were like, we were like, we got no clue what's happened. like, this is not, this is not normal questioning.

This is, Scott's the criminal. We need to record this. Jennifer's husband takes out his phone, and he starts recording. I will say this much. Scott, by his nature, will not start something. Now, he may not back down from it, but he is not one to start something. Detective Jones tells the family

that they have witnesses who saw Scott Spivey waving his gun on Highway 9. Scott pointed a gun of other people. Other people pointing it directly at them or out of the wind

at the man behind him. Yes, ma'am, he pointed that we have two other witnesses in different, two other different vehicles that say he pointed That just does not sound like him at all. I could see him if he was frightened putting the gun out and down behind him.

I just, I don't see it. I just do not. This is not how the spivey's expected this call to go. They thought Detective Jones might say he was sorry for their loss. He didn't. They thought he was starting an investigation into who killed Scott. He wasn't. And these cross-wires would only continue. It wouldn't be until months later that the Spabies would figure out why. I'm Valerie Borlein, and this is Camp Swamp

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from $599 bi-weekly at 3.99% during the Volvo Fall Experience event. Conditions supply, visit your local Volvo retailer or go to explorevolvo.com. Scott Spivey was killed on his way home. If he'd kept going on Camp Swamp Road, he would have made it to his trailer. Spivey lived just across the state line in North Carolina. A few months ago I made that same drive with my producer, Rachel Humphreys. We're coming up, we're getting ready to cross underneath Highway 9, actually.

The main thoroughfare just north of the line. And hold on, and now I'm looking at the GPS. Highway 9's going across. The shooting took place in South Carolina. Had it happened across the state line, things might have been different. North Carolina has a standard ground law, but multiple lawyers and legislators there told me they would not have considered this a standard ground case. And driving around, I realized how close Spivey was to that state line. About two miles.

It's very hard to know when you've crossed it. Are we still on the north there all on the side of the line? I think. It's so porous. It's so hard to tell. Scott Spivey's trailer sits next to his parents' house, where he has. and Jennifer grew up. As we pull in, I notice an old barn

that's collapsed in on itself. The family has been farming in this area for over 100 years. The Spivey house is small, red brick, one story, set back from the road on a freshly mowed lawn. As we walk through the front door, Scott Spivey's mom, Deborah,

and his sister, Jennifer, are there to greet us. Good morning. How are you? I'm good. I'm good. How are y'all? Let us come back. It's been almost two years since Scott Spivey died, but there are traces of him everywhere. In the living room,

there's a huge portrait of him over the mantel. The first thing I noticed is his piercing blue eyes. One family keepsake is a video that Scott Spivey made for his father, Byron Dale Spivey. It was recorded a couple months before he was killed. Happy Father's Day. I love my dad because he knew how important it was to do the right thing, even when it wasn't doing the right thing. And at times we don't understand, but as we get older, we realize where we come from. And I appreciate my dad for all the things he did for me. Happy Father's Day.

Scott's Bobby worked as an insurance adjuster. He would travel around the country in the wake of natural disasters to assess the damage done to people's houses. He moved home the year before he died. just before his 32nd birthday. He wanted to be close to his family, especially Jennifer. What was y'all's relationship like when you were little? He did anything I asked him to do.

Dressing up, playing dress up, playing anything. I mean, be like, come have a tea party. I mean, he'd be like, okay. I mean, I could get him to do anything I wanted. Like a lot of kids who grew up out in the country, Jennifer and Scott Spivey were each other's first playmates. They were siblings, but they were also friends. They went to church and youth group together.

And in high school, when Jennifer made Homecoming Court, she asked her brother to be her escort. Who else did I want to walk me out there on the football field than my little brother? You know, who's my biggest cheerleader other than my little brother? So I'm going to let him, you know, be there for me, so. Scott Spivey's mom, Deborah, has a calming air about her. She's a retired special education teacher. Deborah was the last member of the family to see her son alive. Tell me about September night.

How did the day start for you? It was a normal Saturday. I'm doing things around the house that you would do. I walked outside to get something out of the car, and he was leaving, and I waved at him, and he waved and smiled. I wish I had gone over and banged on the windows. and knowing what I know

and just pulled him out and not let him go anywhere. On the night of the shooting, Deborah was driving back from dinner with her husband when she got the call from Jennifer. Have you heard from Scott? Do you know what's going on with Scott? And my heart just about skipped a beat

and my throat began to feel like it was closing up. It was dark when Deborah arrived at Camp Swamp Road. All the cops would tell her family was that Scott's Bivey had been road raging and was dead. It's something that you can't believe that would happen because we've never experienced anything

remotely close to that in a family or an extended family. So it's just difficult to even explain. It's like the bottom of your whole being, your soul, everything just kind of drops out. because here you are a wife, a mom of two kids,

and now you have one, and you don't know what to do with what used to be. Ory County Police said that Scott Spivey had played a major role in his own death. He'd been drinking before he got behind the wheel. And for Jennifer, it was hard to hear that he'd allegedly pointed a gun at drivers on Highway 9. She and her brother both owned guns. But Jennifer didn't know how to reconcile what the police told her with how they'd been raised. So my dad's a veteran.

We grew up respecting firearms. They were in our home. Is it something that we went and had Sunday shootout? Like, shoots in the backyard? No. They were used for hunting, and that was the only purpose after Vietnam. My dad said, I don't, and honestly, other people took Scott hunting because my dad was like, I... My dad was the same.

after Vietnam. Yeah. And not even hunt, like, Daddy loves squirrel hunting when he was a boy, but not after he came back. It just, it took something out of them.

Guns are used for one purpose is to protect yourself at home, or it is to go hunting to provide food for your table. Scott has tons of hunting rifles and things like that. He owned one handgun. One handgun.

Scott Spivey was killed just before 6 p.m. on a Saturday. By Sunday morning, photos of his last moments are being texted around in group chats among people in the community. Friends start forwarding the photos to the family. One shows Scott Spivey and his black truck, holding a gun out the window. The Spivey's meet to talk about the photos. Jennifer records it. Well, you see the pictures that we sent to you that was... And I'm sorry, who took that picture?

That's the shooters. That's the shooters. That's the shooters. They took those pictures. The family is shocked to discover that the source of the photos is one of Scott Spivey's killers. Who posted those pictures? This is the shooter sharing it. The shooter's sharing it with who? It's not on social media. These are things that he's sending his friends.

People keep sending Jennifer photos. She's hearing rumors that an image is being shared of a brother's dead body. And Jennifer also hears that the person sharing the photos is Weldon Boyd, but his involvement in a brother's death wasn't confirmed until three days after the shooting on Facebook. Boyd posted, quote, The events that unfolded were truly tragic and have left a lasting impact on me. He then addressed the spivey's directly, saying, quote, My thoughts and prayers are with you.

I hope you find the strength and peace you need during this incredibly difficult time. Boyd thanked the witnesses and his supporters. He ended the post by thanking Ori Police for their professionalism and empathy. All of this, Boyd thanking the police, the photos being texted around, they raised a question for Jennifer.

Did the police ever take the shooter's phones as evidence? I do have one question for you. And I'm not, I'm not trying to, please don't take this the wrong way. Four days after the shooting, Jennifer and her mom called Detective Jones to ask about Bradley Williams and Weldon Boyd's phones. Why, we can't get Scott's phone back because it's evidence, and I understand that. But the two individuals that were let go with their phones and they walked out. Yeah, that's right. And they were texting people at midnight.

night. And they took pictures and they have shared those pictures of the scene with individuals since then. Why were their phones not taken as evidence also? And why haven't they been taken? They have evidential pictures on them. No one of the answer to that, ma'am. As a matter of fact, there's a department set up and then to come in and bring us your phones so they can be down. How long before that? Why was that done immediately before they had chances to destroy the phone itself? In that call, Detective Jones mentioned that Boyd and Williams were going to hand over their phones that day. But that didn't actually happen for another two months.

South Carolina's standard ground law was protecting Weldon Boyd and Bradley Williams, and it was preventing the Spivey family from accessing information. In stand-your-ground cases, the killer is considered the victim, making the dead person the offender. In these cases, the dead person's loved ones aren't granted the usual victim's rights, like briefings from investigators and access to police files. Essentially, for the loved ones left behind, the investigation is a black box. The spiveys don't know what's going on because they aren't entitled to know what's going on. but they did get some information from the autopsy on Scott Spivey's body.

Spivey was shot twice. He was killed by a bullet to the back. After the autopsy, the family scheduled the funeral for Saturday, September 16th, a week after the shooting. The Spiveys had wanted an open casket, but the body was too damaged, not just from the bullets and the autopsy, but from the way the police handled Spivey's remains. the right side of his body was so bruised

and that was a side that was the viewing side in the casket. We just, we had to have a close casket. And Scott was such a handsome man. On the night of the shooting, the Ory County Police Department towed Scott Spivey's body in his own truck. From Camp Swamp Road to the police impound. lot, 25 miles.

It was like he was not treated as a human being, as something inanimate. Yes, it was a dead body, but it was the body of my son. You would expect more compassion, more reverence for a body than he received. It, to me, it almost bordered on desecration. Ory County Police said they towed Scott Spivey's body in his truck because heavy rain was in the forecast, which might have compromised evidence. It's been more than a week since the shooting.

And what Jennifer is hearing is more rumors from other people than information from the police. Jennifer says that when she got a hold of the initial police report. It didn't contain much detail. Jennifer calls Detective Jones again. I guess it's put doubt in my mind. Not saying that y'all aren't doing a good job and you're doing all you can. I just, you have to understand it from my point of you, I hope. I'm not. I do. I get it. Like I said, I understand that. And that's the reason you

know, I've been the way I have with you guys trying to give you what I had versus bad information. Because I'm sure you've got. guys have gotten a lot of bad information, but that's part of my job. I get all that bad information, too, that I have to sort through and make, figure out what of it makes sense and what of it is just bad information and complete and voter hearsay. Yes, sir. I mean, it's like a game of telephone. Eventually, the Spivey's game of telephone with Detective Jones does get somewhere.

Even though they're not entitled to much, Jones invites the family to come to the police station, so that they can hear a key piece of evidence. 911, in case of emergency. Hey, I've got a guy pointing a gun at me driving. We're armed as well. He keeps throwing the gun in our faces. This is the first time the Spivey's hear Weldon Boyd's 911 call. But instead of clarifying things, it makes them question the shooter's claims of self-defense.

The Spivey's thought stand your ground was an extension of the Castle doctrine, a centuries-old legal principle that allows a person to use lethal force against an attacker in their own home. The way we understand stand your ground is like if I'm at a stop sign, if I'm at a red light, if I'm somewhere that I have, I'm in my car, minding my business, and someone intrudes on my space. If you're in your home and a intruder intruder comes in, you can do what, you can take the force that you need to in order to keep your home safe. I get that. Listen, this dude shoots at me We're going to put him down

He's, I mean, this dude's insane Are you following him or is he following you? He's been following us Now we're behind him But if I get into my car Which is an extension of my home I can chase them down Until they turn around and say, what the heck

He's stopping, he's stopping Hey, we're about to have a fucking shoot out, dude This dude's got a gun He's got a fucking gun And then I can shoot and kill him and say I'm in fear for my life as long as I don't get out of my vehicle. There's a flaw there. There's a huge flaw there.

And then when you start putting these pieces together, like, something's just not right. Like, I'm trying to ask questions to get to the route, what started this, where did it start, and you still can't tell me any of that. You know, so one time there was always three sides of the story, his, hers, and actually what happened. In this case, there's only two sides, because there's their side, and then there is what happened, because Scott's not here to tell his side. Yes, ma'am, and that's what I'm saying, and what happened. And I'm sorry if you feel like if we have been a little bit pushy, but I guess we've just been trying to advocate him

because we don't know his side, and we want his side to be told whatever it is, if it's good or bad. When I say that we were dismissed at every turn, that's what I'm talking about. Jennifer wanted to know her brother's side of the story, but she wasn't going to get that from the police. So she began her own investigation. That's next. The Twisted Tale of Amanda Knox is an eight-episode Hulu original limited series that blends gripping pacing with emotional complexity, offering a dramatized look as it revisits the wrongful conviction of Amanda Knox for the tragic murder of Meredith Kircher and the relentless media storm that followed. The Twisted Tale of Amanda Knox is now streaming only on Disney Plus. While other money managers are holding,

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off at the beginning. I, I'm going to get to the truth. I was like, you know, that looks, that, that's just so interesting. So you watched it every week. Yeah. Jennifer was inspired. In college, she studied biology and criminal justice. She could got an internship at the North Carolina State Crime Lab. There, Jennifer, got to actually work in forensics, examining carpet fibers, fingerprint analysis, the whole nine yards. What was satisfying to you about that type of work? Most of the time, when you get those cases that come through, those are the voiceless. Like, the evidence is the only thing left to speak, and you have to make sense of that, and you have to put those physical pieces together to create.

story that that person's not here to tell. In the weeks after the shooting, Jennifer began putting together the physical pieces of her brother's story. She scoured social media for leads. She documented evidence inside her brother's truck, and she began to make a timeline of everything that happened on the night of the shooting. Witnesses said that the shooting on Camp Swamp Road had begun with the dispute nine miles south on Highway 9.

So Jennifer made that drive herself, over and over, to try to make some sense of it. Somewhere in here is where this thing gets kicked off at, and they say that Scott comes the right. Earlier this year, I went along with her. And on the right is bell and bell. It's a car dealership. And there's a huge red bell. A bell is about two stories tall. Jennifer approached businesses that her brother had passed on his final drive.

She asked for their security camera footage. So we have Scott on camera coming here at 548 on the dot. Jennifer was able to pinpoint when Boyd's white truck and a brother's black truck first pulled on to Highway 9. To the left of us is where the tractor supply, where Boyd's truck is leaving from. Jennifer lined up the photos taken by Boyd and Williams with locations along the drive. So right here, we know there's a picture taken right here because there's a picture taken right here, because there's a snag of trees right here on the right side.

Oh, yeah, some, like, dead trees. Some dead trees. So somewhere in here, maybe, is where they're saying it well and gets running off the road through a break check. Scott break checks, and he goes off into the median. Jennifer matched the location of the photos with the time they were taken in order to figure out how fast both trucks were going. Right through here, when we're dropping pins of GPS pictures

from picture one to picture two, They're going about 80 miles an hour right here. Through here, 80, 85. And I'm going to 45. They're flying. They're flying. I've never really thought about just how long it takes to go nine miles down the highway. But on this drive, it hit me.

This wasn't a sudden event. There was time to think. As we drive, Jennifer points out all the places that someone could pull off the road. Driveways, parking lots, intersections. To Jennifer, each one was an opportunity for Weldon Boyd to end the altercation. She logged every spot. According to her count, there were 96. By the time of the shooting, Jennifer had been a biology teacher for 12 years.

She worked at the same high school that she and her brother went to. After Scott's Pivey was killed, Jennifer took three months off work to focus on the case. The other teachers donated their sick days so that she would, wouldn't miss a paycheck. The day after Christmas break ended, I went into my principal's office. Like, I'm not, I can't do this. I've been here in body. My mind's not here.

But by the end of the year, she knew she needed to spend all her time on the investigation. I feel like I've been a very effective teacher for the last 12 years. But I don't feel like I'm an effective teacher right now because I'm destroyed. and that if I don't go fight for him now, it will be no sense in fight for him later. While Jennifer was working as an amateur detective, there was someone else looking into her brother's case, the state attorney general's office.

In the week after the shooting, the attorney general had been asked to review the Ory County police file and determine whether any charges should be brought against Boyd and Williams. The review process, took months, and the spavis were hoping that the AG's office would bring criminal charges. In early April 2024, the Attorney General's office came to a decision, and the spavies got to hear it in person. Jennifer records the meeting. I thank you for y'all coming up as quickly as you did, especially on a short notice.

I wasn't sure how that would work out. I know y'all have been waiting for what the AG's office was, what decision they were going to make. Jennifer and her parents, Byron Dale and Deborah Spivey, sit at a conference room table. A lieutenant delivers the message. They felt that there was insufficient evidence to merit a criminal prosecution. Insufficient evidence to merit a criminal prosecution. That's all. The Attorney General's letter was just a few lines long.

there would be no criminal charges in the killing of Scott Spivey. At this point in the meeting, Scott Spivey's father speaks up. I haven't said a word. Go ahead, sir, no. Absolutely. As far as I'm concerned, a big young man murdered my son, and I made flat out murdered. When you go down a major highway on a weekend,

and you travel 9.75 miles chasing you. shooting at him, and the other young man, she was talking about, he was shooting too. That's true. All I know is the other guy, said he said before this he was going to take him out. The Spivey's backed their chairs away. The meeting is over. Well, I thank you for your time. Anyway, thank you all for the information.

This is just bringing to us. I don't know what your feelings are about this or about anybody in this situation. But this stuff apart, you can go down the road and shoot somebody dead. That ain't right. It's done, Daddy. It's good. It's good.

All right. Thank y'all. Appreciate it. We've always said that Scott played a part. We've never denied that. Obviously, whatever happened farther up the road, there was a handgun involved. Like, I don't know. I just don't.

And had we gone, had he gone another mile, this would be a completely different story. North Carolina does not. There's a very fine line there. as far as what's considered justifiable and what's not excessive force versus redneck justice. At a later meeting, the spivies would get more information. Deputy Attorney General Heather Weiss defended her office's decision, arguing that the case did meet the criteria for a stand-to-ground defense. She cited witness statements

and Boyd's 911 call as proof that Spivey was threatening people on Highway 9. She said that when Spivey got out of his truck, he became the aggressor. Weldon Boyd and Bradley Williams stayed in their truck. According to Weiss, once Spivey raised his gun at Borden Williams,

quote, they had a right to fire because they were in fear for their lives. The attorney did, General's decision was a huge blow, but the Spivey's had one final option, suing the shooters in civil court. That was the only, the only way we were left to get any kind of justice for Scott was to have to file a civil suit. My involvement is I am a civil warrior. At the end of the day, the only thing that I can do is try to get a judge. to award money damages. Mark Tensley is a personal injury lawyer.

He made a name for himself when he led a wrongful death claim against Alex Murdoch, a wealthy South Carolina lawyer. That story got a lot of national attention after Murdoch was later convicted for the murder of his wife and son. Jennifer thought getting Mark to take her case

was a long shot, but she gave his office a call. And to her surprise, Mark called her back. I said, you know, the problem that we have is law in South Carolina. They're saying it stands your ground, but how can that be stand your ground when you're behind somebody?

And what did Mark say about that? Laura's like, you can't, that's not stand your ground. I was like, yeah, we're saying the same thing, but that ain't what the law is saying. I didn't see how this could be. I didn't see how you could stand your ground while you're chasing someone else's. No one has ever challenged a San Your Ground case in South Carolina civil court.

That's according to the court office and a half dozen of the state's best-known attorneys. This would be a very tough case to win. But Jennifer walked Mark through everything she had discovered, and he was impressed. She is dogged in her pursuit of the what happened. She is a master of all the information and sorting through the information and finding it. and going back and pulling it out. And so I'm very impressed with Jennifer. Mark agreed to represent Jennifer.

In June 2024, he filed a wrongful death lawsuit against Weldon Boyd and Bradley Williams. If he and Jennifer could prove this was not a stand-your-ground case, the spiveys could be entitled to damages. Boyd and Williams have denied any wrongdoing. For months, Jennifer had been fighting with the Ory County Police Department, for information. But because it was considered a standard ground case, her brother wasn't a victim and the family wasn't entitled to much. However, after the lawsuit was filed, Weldon Boyd's lawyer

pressured the Ory County Police Department to turn over their evidence file in order to help Boyd's defense. Because of that move, Jennifer's lawyers now had access to reams of evidence connected to her brother's death. There was so much there that it was taking a long time for Mark Tensley's office to actually go through all the files. So Jennifer decided to do it herself. And then I was like, can I have, can I see what y'all have? And because they were saying, have you seen this? I'm like, no.

They were like, oh, well, let me share that with you. I mean, you should be able to have access to that, you know. And then that's when the digging started. Finally, Jennifer would get to see the evidence for herself. On February 7th, 2025, a Friday, she drove to her lawyer's office to pick up a flash drive containing the police file. She had no idea what to expect. Jennifer took it home to look through over the weekend. It took a day for them to download on a flash drive.

I mean, thousands of files. Jennifer isn't someone with a lot of time on her hands. She has two young kids, and that weekend her family had plans to watch the Super Bowl. But Jennifer really wanted to see what was in those files. She told her husband that she needed some time alone. And he was like, I'll take the babies with me and we'll go to moms and we'll watch the Super Bowl. And they sat over there from like 3.30 until like 11.30 that night. Jennifer sits down at the kitchen table.

She opens her laptop and starts clicking through the police files. I didn't know what to look at first. So I just opened the first folder. And there they were. What? The 90 phone calls. The first file I click on is a, it says it's an audio file, and I open it up. And I hear Terry Richardson's voice.

Jennifer is very confused. She knows who Terry Richardson is. Richardson is a reporter with the Myrtle Beach Sun News. And I'm like, I know that voice. Why is she in this dump? Hi, Weldon. This is Terry Richardson calling with the Sun News. How are you today?

I'm all right. How you doing? And I realized that she's, this is a phone call that she's called, she's talking to Weldon and asking Weldon to give comment. And I'm like, that's weird. And then the next one. And then the next one was the 911 call? Hey, I've got a guy point again.

And I'm like, that doesn't sound like what I heard in the Orie County version. There's no dispatch. There's no noise in the dispatch room. Like, there's, there's, there's, why the F? Couldn't you just left him alone? I had out of Dan, I don't, if I couldn't fucking leave him alone. There's a lot there that I couldn't hear before. And I just, I mean, at that point, you can't stop looking.

I chased him. Oh, I was on his ass, and his truck couldn't outrun my truck. And he knew it. So, yeah, he was terrified. Next time on Campsomp Road, Weldon Boyd's phone calls. Bradley, I know it's fucked up to say, but I had a fucking blast. I know it's fucked up, but I'm a fucked up person. Camp Swap Road is part of the journal, which is a co-production of Spotify and the Wall Street Journal.

I'm Valerie Borlein. Our producer is Heather Rogers. Our senior producer is Rachel Humphreys. Editing by Colin McNulty. Fact-checking by Nicole Pasolka. Music, sound design, and mixing by Nathan Singapok. Additional music by Peter Leonard. Our theme music is by So Wiley, remixed for the series by Nathan Singapop.

Special thanks to Catherine Brewer, Miguel Bustillo, Ram Enriquez, Pia Gokari, Carlos Garcia, Matt Kwong, Jennifer Levitz, Jessica Mendoza, Bruce Orwell, Fulana Patterson, Sarah Platt, and Kampaw. Thanks for listening. Episode 3 will be released next Sunday.