The Journal. - ‘Exmo’ Influencers Are Taking On Mormonism

Episode Date: October 21, 2025

Once among the world's fastest-growing religions, Mormonism is facing a 21st-century reckoning, driven by social media. Across Tiktok and Instagram an army of #exmo creators take on controversial aspe...cts of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints’ history. WSJ’s Georgia Wells reports on the growing online #exmo community and how the church is pushing back. Jessica Mendoza hosts.  Further Listening: - Why Utah Is Regulating Mom Influencers - The Mormon Church's $100 Billion Secret Fund Sign up for WSJ’s free What’s News newsletter.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hi, my name is Alyssa Grenfell, and I am an ex-Mormon content creator. That's 32-year-old Alyssa Grenfell on YouTube. Alyssa was raised as a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I was convinced that there was nowhere as good as the Mormon church. And she talks a lot on social media about her life growing up Mormon. She was baptized at 8. So many memories of my childhood are in church, something called activity days, mutual. She went to Brigham Young University, which is affiliated with the church.
Starting point is 00:00:39 And just like lots of the girls at BYU at the time, I decided it was the right thing for me to serve a mission. And at 23, Alyssa got married in a Mormon ceremony. I participated in an ultra-secret ceremony that takes place in a Mormon temple called the endowment. In other words, Alyssa was a true. true believer. She loved her religion and her community. But then, in 2016, Alyssa started questioning her faith. I've spent so much time in this church. Maybe I can just keep believing. Maybe there's something I'll still find. And she began sharing her story online. And then after all my doubting, I finally left. Alisa now has more than a million
Starting point is 00:01:27 followers across platforms. And she's part of a larger ex-mo or ex-Morman ecosystem. I'm an ex-Morman. I am no longer Mormon anymore. I grew up Mormon and I am not any longer. And as a growing wave of ex-Morman influencers
Starting point is 00:01:42 critique the church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is fighting back with its own social media content. Welcome to The Journal, our show about money, business, and power. I'm Jessica Mendoza. It's Tuesday, October 21st. Coming up on the show, Mormonism faces a social media reckoning.
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Starting point is 00:03:40 ex-Mormans kind of describing their decisions to leave and at times encouraging other followers of the faith to leave. And I couldn't stop watching. I found myself deep into this rabbit hole of ex-Morman land. That's where Georgia found Alyssa Grenfell's ex-Gernfell's Exmo content, which laid out her reasons for leaving the church. Her videos really, often they're about various kind of specific experiences she had in the LDS church. A Mormon temple is one of the most secretive places on the earth. And when I did my ceremony, I was told that I should never reveal any of the secrets of what I found out about in the temple. Many of the videos are about the role of women in the church.
Starting point is 00:04:24 Here's a list of what Mormon men can do in the church that women can. can absolutely not do. And some of the videos are around sort of more controversial aspects of LDS history, such as Mormon founder Joseph Smith's polygamy. Which included marrying girls as young as 14 and marrying the wives of other men in secret. Or, you know, the church hiding the scale of its wealth.
Starting point is 00:04:47 The Mormon church is one of the wealthiest churches on the planet. Georgia, why is Alyssa's content so popular? I mean, part of her appeal. to some of these ex-Mormons is the shock value. Like, she wears sacred temple clothing in some of her videos, for example. And over top, this more appropriate dress, I wore the robes of the priesthood,
Starting point is 00:05:11 which are part of the Mormon endowment ceremony. I have no photos of my mom getting me dressed for my wedding because there are no cameras permitted in the temple. And this is... It's a move that practicing Mormons consider very sacrilegious. And so when I've spoken to X-Mormans about this decision, on the one hand, there's this kind of disturbed feeling that some of them feel viewing it. But on the other, many of them have described it as cathartic. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was founded by a man named Joseph Smith.
Starting point is 00:05:47 He was born in 1805 in Vermont. According to church teaching, Smith found a set of golden plates inscribed with text, which was the origin of the original. the Book of Mormon. The Church of Jesus Christ at Latter-day Saints, it's the most American religion. It was created in this country, organized in the 1830s. It's also a very hierarchical religion and a very centrally controlled religion. Mormon teachings focus heavily on missionary work and traditional family life, including an emphasis on a sacred role for mothers to nurture children in the home. Throughout its history, the church and its followers have faced significant persecution in the U.S. Joseph Smith was shot and killed by a mob.
Starting point is 00:06:28 Members of the church were driven, sometimes violently from other states, into Utah in the 19th century. And just last month, a Mormon church was attacked by a shooter and set aflame. Four people died. Today, the church is centralized in Salt Lake City. And although just around 1% of Americans identify as Latter-day Saints, the church has always piqued the interest of many outsiders. Like, there's the popular Broadway satire, The Book of Mormon.
Starting point is 00:06:54 Hello, my name is Elder Price, and I would like to share with you the most amazing book. And Mitt Romney's run for president as the first LDS major party nominee. Some wonder whether there are any questions regarding an aspiring candidate's religion that are appropriate. I believe there are. But today's Mormon moment is taking off because of social media, and it's driven by influencers posting about their Mormon lives. Come along with me as I feed the calves at the dairy barn tonight with the kiddos. as well as some reality TV shows.
Starting point is 00:07:26 So there's the hit show, The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. It's about a group of TikTok moms. I created Mom Talk. It's a group of Mormon moms making TikTok. And then some drama ensues. This whole group is swinging with each other. Wait, what? The show gives viewers a behind-the-scenes look at the Mormon lifestyle
Starting point is 00:07:48 and has been renewed on Hulu for a third season. And I think they're tapping into kind of broad interest in this country, but around the world, about the role of women in society. It's bringing the LDS community to the kitchen tables, you know, across this country, and it's kind of raising their profile. But having the Mormon moment play out on social media has been challenging for the church, especially now that TikTok and Instagram have made discussions about leaving the church more visible. People have long posted about their decisions to leave,
Starting point is 00:08:24 particularly on Reddit, where there's a very vibrant ex-Mormon community. But what's new about TikTok and Instagram Reels are their algorithms. Their algorithms push videos into the feeds of people who weren't necessarily seeking this content. But TikTok or Instagram Reels served it to them. And so one of the ex-Wormans told me directly, it was really hard for him to dismiss some of the issues about the church. when his feeds were just serving him video after video after video about them. What is it about Mormonism that makes it, it seems particularly vulnerable to social media backlash
Starting point is 00:09:09 or to just being, like, so caught up in social media? Mormonism, it's a relatively new religion. It was organized in 1830, and there are documents that detail some of the, controversial things that early leaders did. And it's rooted in a lot of conservatism that has repelled many younger members. This new wave of exmo content online focuses on these kinds of criticisms of the church. For example, videos call out practices in the early church, such as polygamy and what's been called a death oath. That phrase refers to an oath Mormons used to make in temple ceremonies
Starting point is 00:09:51 that they would submit to execution if they ever reveal details about worship practices there. The church banned polygamy in 1890 and the death oath was eliminated in 1990. The content creators also regularly question the lack of archaeological evidence for the Book of Mormon.
Starting point is 00:10:07 He didn't even use the golden plates at all that all those ancient prophets had... They also criticized the church's wealth, estimated to be in the billions of dollars, as well as its complicated history. Mormons were taught, and I think still are taught that the curse of dark skin is for Lamanites referencing Native Americans. I was taught that any sexual sin, sex outside of marriage, sex before marriage, solo sexual experiences,
Starting point is 00:10:34 were second only to unaliving someone. These influencers, sharing their critiques of Mormon teachings as well as their own personal anecdotes, are getting millions of views. But the church has said its critics often present sensationalized and incomplete versions of its beliefs and history. And now, it's trying to take back the Mormon narrative through its own social media content. That's next.
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Starting point is 00:12:01 Can you take a Bronco to where the map ends and adventure begins? Whether you think you can or think you can't, you're right. Ready, set, Ford. Whatever the religion, it's called. common for younger generations to question their parents' faith. And these days, many of them air their grievances online. Religious affiliation has also been falling more broadly in the United States. When we see data that shows that, you know, in 2012, roughly 1.8% of Americans identified with Mormonism.
Starting point is 00:12:40 Now it's close to half that. We're seeing this diminishment. How unique is this problem? I mean, other Christian denominations have been losing members, too, for a long time. now. Yeah, they have, but they haven't been struggling with retention to the degree that the LDS Church has been. The LDS Church is shrinking as a share of Americans more than other Christian religions in this country. To be clear, convert baptism reached a high last year. They're seeing a lot of growth in Africa right now, so they are growing. But here in the U.S.,
Starting point is 00:13:17 the church is having a hard time retaining its members. And in this struggle for retention, the spread of videos that criticize the church in its teachings is a problem, especially when there are more negative videos about the church than positive ones, according to people familiar with the church's tallies of online content. And church leaders are starting to get concerned. When I've spoken with people who have been familiar with this version of an exmo ecosystem for, you know, decades, they are seeing particularly young people choosing to leave the church. faster than ever before as a result of being inundated on TikTok and Instagram reels.
Starting point is 00:13:58 That was part of what motivated me to want to look further is because at a time when the LDS Church is struggling with membership, we're also seeing many people leaving the church and attributing their decision
Starting point is 00:14:11 to these ex-mo influencers. Now, the Mormon Church is trying to use the same tools on the internet to counter the ex-mo narrative. You know, increasingly church leaders are posting their own short form video content on the church's social media accounts. Sometimes in life, it's easy to feel unlovable, but missionaries from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints help me to know that Jesus Christ loves all people. And they've been featuring a variety of members and different stories and Mormon apostles.
Starting point is 00:14:41 To me, the temple means that I can have a break during the week. As a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, I know my Heavenly Father wants me to be my best self. And it's also encouraged its tens of thousands of missionaries to post pro-church content. Day in the Life of a Service Missionary for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. When you say encouraging its missionaries, or they're turning out content creators, too, it sounds like. Right. It used to be that missionaries weren't particularly encouraged to be on social media, and now they are. So we're seeing a lot more pro-church content.
Starting point is 00:15:18 suddenly. And so, you know, it'll be interesting to see if that turns into a formidable kind of army on social media, because that's a lot of bodies to throw out a problem. Individual members of the church are also creating content to promote their faith and fight the ex-Morman voices online. So I'm a self-proclaimed apologist for the Church of Jesus Christ Saturday Saints. I've decided that I want to be a fan girl for Christ. I found so much comforts and peace and happiness in the Book of Mormon in studying the gospel of Jesus Christ. One pro-church creator that Georgia spoke to
Starting point is 00:15:58 is 33-year-old David Snell. He has a podcast sponsored by an LBS nonprofit, and he tries to address controversial questions about church history. He wants to provide what he sees as the faithful perspective to counter what the Exmo community is saying. Did Joseph Smith practice polygamy, or was that something that Brigham Young started? Well, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints just dropped three bombshell articles. One of them addresses this question.
Starting point is 00:16:27 And so his point, he told me, was like, if the only place you're getting information about the faith is from people who left, chances are you're probably not seeing a lot of reasons people choose to join and stay in the church. But for Mormons already questioning their faith, Exmo content helped them feel less alone. Georgia spoke to dozens of ex-Mormans who said as much. That's what Alyssa Grenfell says she wants for her followers. And I deeply hope that every single person who's currently a Mormon is able to walk out and experience the things that I have experienced and felt after leaving the church. Ex-Mormans describe the process of leaving the church as one of the most intense things in their lives.
Starting point is 00:17:16 In the LDS Church, religious leaders promote this idea of an afterlife. And this is where members are reunited with loved ones. But the problem for folks who leave is that it doesn't apply to people who reside, to people who leave. It's why it can be so difficult for Mormons to leave the church. It would mean never being with their families and friends in the afterlife. I can't think of anything more powerful in a sense. Right, because that's forever. That's eternal. That's beyond, you know, this one moment. And so that was part of what made me really take this trend seriously, was because, you know,
Starting point is 00:18:02 understanding what a profound decision this was for some individuals and for their families. And for many, this Exmo content showed them a glimpse of the world. that could be waiting for them if they chose to lead. That's all for today, Tuesday, October 21st. The Journal is a co-production of Spotify and the Wall Street Journal. If you like our show, follow us on Spotify
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