The Journal. - Inside ICE’s Aggressive Approach to Arresting Migrants

Episode Date: June 10, 2025

To fulfil a key campaign promise, the Trump administration has been pushing ICE to arrest more migrants. WSJ’s Michelle Hackman explains how that’s led to more aggressive tactics and raids like the ones that unfolded in Los Angeles on Friday, sparking major protests. Jessica Mendoza hosts. Further Listening: - Deportations Could Upend This Parachute Factory  - How Frog Embryos Landed a Scientist in ICE Detention  - A New Phase in Trump’s Immigration Fight  Sign up for WSJ’s free What’s News newsletter. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Protests on the streets of Los Angeles are now on their fifth day. Driving the demonstrations are President Trump's immigration policy, and specifically raids conducted by Immigration and Customs Enforcement, or ICE. So ICE did this operation in LA starting on Friday. They raided a few workplaces. There was a garment factory and then the parking lot surrounding areas of a home depot in this very Latino neighborhood. That's our colleague Michelle Hackman, who covers immigration policy.

She's been following the Trump administration's deportation efforts, which are now happening in places where undocumented folks go to look for work. Immigrants who are working in the country illegally, often, you know, day laborers, people who work in construction or being hired to help out with people's homes or gardening or whatever, will gather in the parking lot of a home depot looking for work. And so for ICE, it's like an easy target to go there and just figure out everyone's immigration status

and arrest everyone who doesn't have papers. As news of the raids spread, people began to take to the streets and spots around LA County, including at the Federal Detention Center downtown. As protesters gathered, ICE started escalating using sort of pepper spray and in some cases flashbangs. That made the protests bigger and more aggressive, which caused a larger law enforcement response and so on and so forth.

Protests against immigration raids turning chaotic. Multiple Waymo cars lit on fire. Again, these are driverless vehicles there in downtown LA. At one point, there were 6,000 protesters in the streets. Hundreds of National Guard troops now on the ground, deployed by President Trump. The U.S. military is set to deploy about 700 Marines to the LA area in response to the protests.

The raids that kicked off the protests in LA are part of a larger push from the Trump administration in recent weeks. I've really seen raids at workplaces like this, at home depots, at construction sites happening all over the country. We're talking about, you know, all the way from Martha's Vineyard to Puerto Rico, just everywhere. And these immigration raids aren't just increasing in number. They're also becoming more aggressive,

as the administration amps up its efforts to hit its deportation goals. — President Trump promised to do a mass deportation, and they think a mass deportation is arresting and deporting a million people a year, and they're nowhere close to that. And so they want these ICE raids to be as public and visible as possible. Welcome to The Journal, our show about money, business, and power.

I'm Jessica Mendoza. It's Tuesday, June 10th. Coming up on the show, inside the immigration strategy that sparked a backlash in Los Angeles. Trump talked about mass deportations all the time on the campaign trail. We are going to have the largest deportation effort in the history of our country. We're bringing everybody back to where they came from. We have no choice. We have no choice. But our colleague Michelle Hackman says that during Trump's first months in office, the

actual number of arrests and deportations hasn't matched the tough talk. External critics were angry that not enough people were being arrested and deported. And so pressure has sort of been mounting on the administration. Even it has gone all the way up to President Trump, you know, apparently in White House and Oval Office meetings, he will yell at people and say, why aren't arrests higher? Why aren't the deportations higher? And so that pressure has trickled down through the Department of Homeland Security and to ICE, where people have now been handed daily arrest quotas. And the arrest quotas started pretty early in the administration, but they've only gone

up. So, you know, they started at $1,200 a day. They've risen in May to about $3,000 a day, which ices nowhere close to meeting. To reach those quotas, the administration needed to do more. And the person who stepped up is one of Trump's most senior aides and the architect of the president's immigration agenda. The person who is the visionary behind Trump's immigration policy is a guy named Stephen Miller.

He's now the deputy chief of staff at the White House. And he is one of the most nitty gritty people I've ever spoken to on immigration. And it should be as simple as, are you lawfully in the United States? No, if you are not, then you should go home. In a sane country, that would be the system. And what does he want when it comes to immigration? What are his goals? Ultimately, his goal is to reduce the population of immigrants in America. He's a really, really fervent believer that immigration is the cause of a lot of the nation's

ills, and I would say that that is really motivational for him in a way that is rare to encounter. Miller sent a message to the leadership at ICE to boost daily arrests. And in late May, Stephen Miller basically summoned a meeting at ICE where he had the leadership from around the country come into DC. And he was there basically to read them the riot act. So yeah, what happened at that meeting? Can you tell us what was said?

What you've learned? Yeah. So, you know, according to people who were in the meeting, he was very aggressive with people, was saying, you don't need to go develop law enforcement target lists, just go out there. Arrest illegal aliens. That's exactly what he said. Go to 7-Elevens. Go to Home Depots.

And he looked around at the room and he said, I bet if I grabbed a few of you guys right now, we could go outside on the street and make 30 arrests right now. And he even did a show of hands. Who here thinks they can do this? And it was made really clear to people that not only were they being exhorted

to sort of implement the president's agenda, but if they don't, that their jobs were on the line. COLLEEN O'BRIEN Did ICE have the resources to immediately scale up raids in this way? SONIA DARA No, they didn't. ICE is really short staffed, and so the government has sort of been redeploying agents from across the entire federal government, from the FBI, the DEA, to form teams to go out and do these arrests. —Michelle says that ICE has started doing a bunch of new things to arrest more people.

For instance, ICE has started showing up at immigration courts around the country. After hearings have finished and migrants walk out of the courtroom, agents arrest them. So there was one case that my colleague spoke to this lawyer who has a client who had actually entered the country legally under a Biden administration program, had applied to enter the country. Once his legal status expired, he was in a court process. And what happened was the court, as soon as it was dismissed and he walked outside of the courtroom, agents were there to arrest him.

In that particular case, Michelle says the ICE agents refused to show a warrant. This is kind of alarming for immigrants and immigrant advocates because for the longest time the message has been follow the process, go to your court hearing, you know, follow the law. And so if people are following the law, showing up at their hearings, getting arrested there, that is almost certainly going to deter some people from going to court, going to government interviews, things like that. — In addition to making arrests at courthouses, ICE agents are conducting raids in other types of public spaces,

like that Home Depot parking lot in LA, or a Mexican restaurant in Missouri, where agents arrested 12 workers. — They're going to restaurants and just saying, we want to—we're going to barge in, we're going to interview everyone in your kitchen, we're going to take anyone who doesn't, can't immediately prove to us, you know, they are a U.S. citizen.

And the tactics that agents are using are becoming more forceful. Routinely, you see ICE agents covering their faces, not identifying themselves, dressed in sort of militaristic gear like they're going to war, you know, rather than arresting people. We've seen more aggressive tactics, you know. They ask someone to get out of their car. They immediately go and smash someone's car window. That's new. ICE agents have also detained people without warrants. So ICE, typically when they make an arrest, they have what's called an administrative warrant. So that means they have someone's name, they're looking for someone specific,

they go to their house. And administrative warrants are not criminal warrants, so it doesn't allow you to knock down someone's door and barge into their house. You have to kind of wait for someone to leave their house, which is often why ICE is arresting someone when they leave to go to work or taking their kids to school or something like that. of wait for someone to leave their house, which is often why ICE is arresting someone when they leave to go to work or taking their kids to school or something like that. You know, one of my colleagues actually did a ride along with some ICE officers in San Antonio and she witnessed this man that they wanted to arrest. And they decided that the best way to do it was while he was driving his kids to school

with his wife in the car. You know, they decided they wanted to do it then because his wife was in the car, so maybe the wife could stay with the kids. And so they just did it. And the wife actually started yelling at the officers, like, I can't believe you did this in front of our children. She asked if she could kiss her husband,

and they didn't even respond to her, they just took him. All these aggressive new tactics have led to fear among immigrant communities. And the Trump administration is hoping that that fear will encourage migrants to leave the country on their own. That's next. Michelle, so all these efforts, are they working? Is the Trump administration arresting and deporting more people? Yeah.

So the really interesting thing is, you know, we've seen all these really aggressive tactics from ICE, but the tactics themselves are not boosting arrests. And so to me, what it's saying is some of these tactics are almost like a show that the Trump administration is putting on to broadcast to its supporters and opponents alike, like, look, we're doing immigration enforcement, we're serious about this, even if it's not showing up in the numbers. So just to be clear, both arrests and deportations are not necessarily up. They are up somewhat, but not nearly the levels that Trump promised. You know, Trump has talked about

a mass deportation being a million deportations in a year. They are nowhere close to that. I think the best number I've been able to surmise is that they've made about 100,000 arrests since they've taken office, which is a higher pace than Biden. But listeners have to remember that every arrest doesn't turn into a deportation. It's hard to deport someone. A lot of those people actually end up getting released. ICE has stopped regularly publishing arrest data. Although the agency's new tactics haven't made a huge dent in arrests or

deportations, Michelle says they are having a different effect. They want people to be scared and self-deport. So they've done multiple things. They have set up a program where people can report their self-deportations through an app, and they're even claiming that they're paying people $1,000 once they've successfully left the country. It's not clear to me how many people have actually received that money. They're trying to make the specter of your arrest, your detention, and your deportation

so scary and unpleasant. And to some extent, it's having an effect. You know, I speak to immigration attorneys and to community groups who say that people are choosing to leave or people are, you know, making plans for what happens to my U.S. citizen children if I get arrested and deported. So I think some of these fear tactics, at least for now, are working. What does the White House or ICE say about all of these techniques? So I actually spoke to Tom Homan, the White House's border czar, and people say unofficially that he is the person sort of directing ICE operations.

And he says, you know, this is law enforcement doing its job. You know, this is not anything out of the ordinary. And he said, you know, if you're seeing someone cover their face, it's because they're under pretty severe threat. You know, anyone who is out there doing an arrest with their face visible is risking having their face broadcast on social media or on the internet. — The Trump administration defends its tactics for arrests. A White House spokesperson said that, quote,

keeping President Trump's promise to deport illegal aliens is something the administration takes seriously. What do all these protests say to you about how Trump's immigration policy is going so far? — You know, It's interesting because polling shows us that overall immigration is one of the areas where voters still approve of President Trump's performance. And when we've polled on this question of do you support mass deportation,

a small majority of people support the idea. But when you drill down, and this is where I find it interesting, is that if you ask, do you support deporting criminals? Yep, most people do. But if you ask the question, and I think this is the way the Wall Street Journal poll has asked it, do you support deporting people with no criminal record who have lived in this country

at least 10 years, support really, really plummets. And so what people are saying is, I thought you were going after criminals. This really doesn't look like criminals if you're going to Home Depot and just arresting our hardworking neighbors. And that's what's angering people in California and could be something that turns people against Trump's immigration policy. On Tuesday, Defense Secretary Pete Hagsteth was called before Congress for questioning. He defended the deployment of active military to LA

and said that the plan is to keep troops there for 60 days. Meanwhile, public unrest is spreading to other parts of the country. Violence broke out in San Francisco on Monday night, and protests are being planned in Oakland, Atlanta, and New York City. So what are you going to be looking at next? What are you expecting to see? I'm going to be watching these protests for sure.

Do the protests expand? How severely does the government try to quash them? You know, so far in LA, the National Guard is there, but they haven't actually really intervened in any way. So that could get ugly, or it could end, you know, in a fizzle. I'm also going to be looking at whether ICE becomes more sophisticated in actually bringing up its numbers and how it's going to translate those into more deportations. ["The Daily Show"] That's all for today, Tuesday, June 10th. The Journal is a co-production of Spotify and the Wall Street Journal.

Additional reporting in this episode by Elizabeth Fendel, Ruth Simon, and Tarini Partee. Thanks for listening. See you tomorrow.