The Journal. - Red, White and Who? The Anti-AI Voters

Episode Date: October 7, 2026

“Red, White and Who?” The Journal’s election mini-series is back to cover the midterms. Every Wednesday for the next five weeks, Ryan Knutson talks with reporters around the country about issues... important to voters. This week: in Ohio, a backlash against AI data centers is scrambling old political loyalties. WSJ’s Cameron McWhirter and producer Matt Kwong travel across the state, where some Republicans say the issue is changing how they view the Senate race between Democrat Sherrod Brown and Republican Jon Husted. Further Listening:- A Data Center Offered $26 Million for Her Land. She Said No. - A Data Center Revolt in Missouri Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey guys, the midterms are here, and our special election series, Red, White, and Who is back. For the next four weeks, we'll be bringing you to four places around the country, looking at four issues that are shaping four important races. Episodes will come out every Wednesday morning up until the election. And after the results come in, we'll be there to help make sense of it. All right, our first stop is Ohio. Here we go. So when you were a kid, this was just farmland. Yeah, yeah. When I was a kid, none of this was here.
Starting point is 00:00:38 Brandon Bernard is giving a tour of his hometown of Patascah in central Ohio. So here is Intel. This is Google sites right here to the left. There's Amazon. That's Amazon Web Service. Now, again, all of this was Cornfields. And what is this going to be now? Data Centers.
Starting point is 00:01:00 They go on for miles. enormous, mostly windowless buildings. Reporter Kamak Warder and producer Matt Kwon went along for the ride. People in, you know, Central Ohio just calling Dallas in their alley. Data Center Alley. Oh, it is just one after the other thing, I guess.
Starting point is 00:01:21 Wow, look at those cranes. Yeah, look, those enormous cranes, like giant sort of monsters. But wait, there's more. Politically, this is Deep Red Ohio. Donald Trump won the county by almost 30 points in 2024. They're a very, very, very, very Republican. Brandon is 37, an executive chef at a hospital system
Starting point is 00:01:49 and a longtime Republican voter. He says he voted for Trump three times, mostly motivated by border security and government waste. He even flew a MAGA flag outside his house. This year, though, Brandon says he's voting for the Democrat in Ohio's Senate race. And it's all because he hates these data centers. He's also volunteering with an anti-data center group called Conserve Ohio,
Starting point is 00:02:15 gathering signatures to try and get a moratorium. If I could build a time machine and go back and I said, you're going to be voting against the Republicans. And this thing, you're full of shit. But you wouldn't have believed that. Ain't no way. You would have said what? What's the data center?
Starting point is 00:02:35 What the hell is that? So this isn't a dramatic embrace of the Democratic Party, but now these data centers are making you support local Democratic candidates. Yeah, exactly. And that's why you've made your decision. Yep. Brandon's political shift is one that's happening around the country, as data centers emerge as a major election issue this November.
Starting point is 00:03:06 Here's Kant. If data centers have become a battleground issue, the epicenter is in Ohio. It is really the central place where this has become the slug fest and where politicians are scrambling to come up with answers for voters who are very angry and worried about data centers. In the Ohio Senate race, Democrat Sherrod Brown has been going after Republican John Houston's record on data centers, and he's winning over a longtime Republican voter. voters like Brandon.
Starting point is 00:03:40 Republicans are very worried. Republican strategists that I've been talking to, not only in Ohio, but elsewhere, it's because of people like Brandon, because that is the backbone of Republican voters, and if you're losing them, you've got a problem. From the journal, this is Red, White, and Who, our series about the Road to the Midterms.
Starting point is 00:04:07 I'm Ryan Knudsen. It's Wednesday, October 7th. Coming up on the show, how AI data centers became one of the biggest issues in the midterm elections. This episode is brought to you by IG Private Wealth. When your financial life gets more complex, having a clear plan matters. IG advisors build personalized, integrated financial plans that connect your investments, tax strategies, retirement income, and estate planning into one coordinated plan. They will help you make confident decisions about your wealth and your future.
Starting point is 00:04:47 Get financial advice that puts your future. You at the center. Visit IGPrivatewealth.com to find an advisor near you. How important are AI and data centers in this selection season? If you'd asked me that question four months ago, I would have said it was kind of important. But at this point, it has become, for certainly a lot of battleground states,
Starting point is 00:05:17 it has become the critical issue. A recent Wall Street Journal poll found that 62% of Americans support putting a pause on building data centers. Around Ohio, where there are more than 200 of them, Cam and Matt heard a litany of complaints from residents. Concerns about water. You know, they've reassured me that our water won't be affected, but they can't guarantee that.
Starting point is 00:05:42 About farmland. It's hard to visualize how much land that they have consumed that was nice, rich farmland. Secrecy. I guess my biggest problem is that all of this is done in secret. Our trustees did all of this in an executive sessions. And utility bills.
Starting point is 00:06:00 Since the data center boom, our electricity bill has probably close to doubled. More. Tech executives have said they hope to be more transparent moving forward and have committed to paying
Starting point is 00:06:11 more for the power needed to run data centers. They also say they're investing more in local communities. Underneath some of residents' specific concerns is a general growing unease
Starting point is 00:06:23 about AI itself as headlines about rogue bots and AI doomsday scenarios dominate the headlines. You can't judge things by yard signs, but I drove across a lot of Ohio in the last week or so. And you see in every little town there's people, you know, on their lawns, they have political signs, political yard signs. And most of those signs that I saw were not for candidates.
Starting point is 00:06:51 They were saying no data centers. I didn't see one sign saying, bring on the data. data centers, thank God, you know, it's good for American jobs or anything. Yeah. It was all get rid of it, ban data centers, stop the data centers. Politically, this is still a pretty new fight. Republicans and Democrats both spent years supporting the growth of the tech industry. Neither party has a long record of campaigning against data centers. As a result, the backlash is scrambling traditional politics,
Starting point is 00:07:24 and voters are still sorting out a basic question. Who do they blame? In Ohio, the Democratic candidate, Sherrod Brown, is trying to put the blame on the Republican incumbent, Senator John Husted. I'm John Hustead, and I approve this message. Join our team and give today. Houston is pretty new to Washington. In 2024, he was appointed to fill J.D. Vance's Senate seat, but he's been a longtime fixture of Ohio politics, serving as Secretary of State and Lieutenant Governor. It was during his time as lieutenant governor that Houston was involved in promoting tech investment,
Starting point is 00:08:00 a time when Ohio seemed to want these data centers. Here's Houston from 2019, at a groundbreaking ceremony for a new Google data center. This will fuel the economy for many years when we're talking to anybody in the globe. We say, look, where's the tech hub of the Midwest? I think it's going to be Columbus, Ohio. What is Houston's record on data centers?
Starting point is 00:08:24 You know, the Republicans have been in power for a long time in Ohio, and their basic plan for economic development in the state was similar to what a lot of Republican states have adopted, which is large incentive packages, non-disclosure agreements, and inviting major corporations in. And Houston really invited, you know, he was part of this economic program, and he certainly was supportive initially of a lot of these data. coming in because they sounded great. Ohio offered generous tax incentives on the expensive equipment inside data centers. And soon, the big companies were coming. Amazon, Google, Meta. But over the last four years, as Ohio started building more and more massive data centers to feed the AI boom, many Ohioans started to realize they didn't actually like them.
Starting point is 00:09:19 It became, as one Republican official said to me, it sort of became the Wild West. in Ohio, and people were, you know, farms, huge tracks of land that were farmland were suddenly being converted into these data centers. For people like Brandon, it's meant that the place he grew up looks totally different now. Instead of driving past farmland, now, in his eyes, the area is dominated by giant gray monstrosities. What was the bell that went off in your head? I learned a brand new data center could be coming one mile, two miles away from my house.
Starting point is 00:10:02 And how did you hear about it? Do you remember that moment? My mom told me about it. And, you know, a mile away from schools that my kids go to. So if they start having any health issues, do I get to sue these data centers? Who's financially responsible for this? At night, Brandon says the sky overpillar. parts of his town can glow. The first time he noticed that he thought he was looking at the northern lights.
Starting point is 00:10:31 And then there's the noise. It's just a constant, a faint train, like a train that's just been like a mile away that these people are hearing 24-7, the constant humming noise. The man who Brandon blames for much of this is John Houston, the Republican senator. Last week, our producer Matt caught up with Houston at a campaign event outside Cleveland. And he asked him, how do you win back voters like Brandon? Well, I could make that. That's a pretty easy one, frankly, because I'm the only one fighting to make sure that the data centers pay their own costs.
Starting point is 00:11:14 We have legislation that's pending the past the House of Representative 417 to 3, my bill. Houston is positioning himself as someone who will protect Ohioans from the costs associated with data centers. And he was telling Matt about a bill he proposed, called the Ratepayer Protection Act. The legislation was designed to prevent people's electricity bills from going up when a new data center gets built. It's currently stalled in the Senate. Senate Democrats didn't support the bill because they said it didn't have enough enforcement behind it. Houston says Democrats blocked a bipartisan solution. He also said his opponent, Sherrod Brown, didn't address the issue during his time in the Senate.
Starting point is 00:11:58 So, what exactly is Brown's message? That's after the break. Sherrod Brown, the Democrat, represented Red Leaning Ohio in the Senate for 18 years, until he lost re-election in 2024. Now, he wants his old job back. He's built much of his political identity around organized labor and the working class. And when he first announced he was running to get back into the Senate, he didn't talk much about data centers. I was with him a few months ago, and he was talking about the economy a lot, of course, and gas prices. But he didn't really mention data centers at all. And just seeing him
Starting point is 00:12:51 this last weekend, you know, he talked about data centers a lot. He talked about a few other things, but he really slammed home data centers. Brown has made data centers, one of the centerpieces of his campaign strategy. He's released a lot of attack ads on the subject. Data centers compliments mostly of John Hustead were given $2.5 billion in tax subsidies. In the last month or so, Sherrod Brown has just started pounding him
Starting point is 00:13:17 over and over again, John Hustod over data centers. And data centers have really risen to the top as the key issue here. He's been called the face of data centers in Ohio. Why? Because John Hustead spent years aggressively recruiting data centers to the... Brown is making the same case on the campaign trail.
Starting point is 00:13:39 Recently, Cam and Matt caught up with him at a United Auto Workers Hall in Warren, Ohio. Thank you, everybody. Can I do this without the mic? The topic of data centers kept coming up again and again. Big data center corporations in these out-of-state, big tech corporations come in, buy up this farmland, suck up their work. you didn't know why, you didn't know they were coming. Brown is also campaigning on all the things Democrats usually do, affordability, health care, anti-corruption.
Starting point is 00:14:10 But increasingly, in order to appeal to traditionally Republican voters, he's using data centers as a way in. And it's going to make Ohio's electricity rates already have gone up faster than all but one other state. And if you look at, if you turn on the TV in Ohio and you see a shared Brown ad, he's really blasting Houston as, you know, the face of, data centers. After Brown finished speaking at the Union Hall, people got up from their folding chairs
Starting point is 00:14:36 and lined up for photos. Brown stayed behind for questions from reporters. Hi there. We're going to get started over here with Cam. Hey, uh... Cam asked him why data centers had suddenly become such a big part of his campaign. Yeah, well, last time I saw you was in Shilikathi, and we talked about the economy. That was a big factor with you. You didn't mention data centers because it wasn't that hot of an issue a couple months ago. Why do you think it's come on so strong? It's an example of how big out-of-state corporations and billionaires come to the state, get tax giveaways, don't consult with anybody,
Starting point is 00:15:12 and get help from John Hustead in a big, big way. He's the point, man. Houston's campaign has criticized Brown for supporting a data center a decade ago. When Amazon announced a major data center investment in Ohio in 2015, Brown celebrated it as great news. Our producer Matt asked him about it. Data Center investment in Ohio, the wealth of it, just wondering what changed. One investment, no billions of dollars in tax breaks,
Starting point is 00:15:38 and right away it was clear that then when Houston started bringing all these in, he's the guy, he's the point guy, he's brought him in, that was one case 10 years ago, and I've led the charge in pointing out the damage they've done. Brown has not gone so far as to do what some anti-Data center activists are calling for, A pause on building new data centers in the state.
Starting point is 00:16:02 And that might be partly because of who that might alienate. Brown's anti-Data Center ads frustrated some of the construction unions that have endorsed him. So one group strongly supporting the data centers, of course, have been the construction unions, because this has been a boon. They are busy, busy, busy, and we saw their workers, hard hats, guys doing a lot of business. in the hotels where we were staying packed with workers coming in, subcontractors. You know, so it's definitely great for business if you're a construction worker. It's great work.
Starting point is 00:16:38 And Sherrod Brown has sort of made himself as a good friend of the unions, and he has been throughout his career. And so there is some tension there. Yeah, but he's sort of saying, like, I think that the better bet is to be anti-Datislavit. center, even if that's going to hurt some of some union support, potentially. Right. And he's jumping on that. And other Democrats are jumping on that. Is there a sense that Brown's focus on AI data centers is working?
Starting point is 00:17:09 We're going to have to see what happens in the midterms, but the polls are showing that he is rising in the polls, that he's leading in the polls. I mean, some of the polls show him leading by a few points, some by substantially more. we're going to have to see. But if Sherritt Brown, who was voted out in 2024, comes back and takes J.D. Vance's seat after campaigning largely on data centers, certainly for the tail end of this campaign, that's going to be an interesting message for any politician who has a data center in their state or in their community across the country.
Starting point is 00:17:49 The rage against data centers on full display, in Battleground, Michigan. The Wisconsin governor's race is heating up, and the debate over data centers is playing a role. Backlash against data centers grows in Texas, according to new surveys, how the issue could potentially impact the November election. For some Republican candidates,
Starting point is 00:18:11 President Donald Trump's views on the issue could make things more complicated. Just days ago, Trump came to Ohio to campaign for Houston. While Houston had spent the final weeks of the race trying to reassure voters concerned about data centers, Trump offered a much simpler, message. America needs them.
Starting point is 00:18:28 We're also taking historic action to ensure that big tech data centers benefit local communities. We want them, look, there's so much money to be made for Ohio. You can't just turn them off. They'll go to China. China is...
Starting point is 00:18:43 It seems like data centers is one of these issues that's kind of scrambling the political landscape again, you know? It doesn't sort of neatly fit into a Republican or Democratic issue. It's just like whoever voters deem is more responsible for the data centers that are in their community, that's the party they want to punish. I think you're 100% right. I think that's it. And right now, that is the
Starting point is 00:19:10 Republicans. So they're the ones who are having to explain and try to convince voters that things aren't as bad as they're being perceived, but they have a tough road. We met people who are Democratic-leaning, people who are now incredibly animated by the data center issue. It's a crystal clear to them, and they're very excited to vote against Republicans. Then we met Republicans who feel that they've been betrayed by Big Tech, and they are turning, like Brandon, to the Democrats for help. Then you have Republicans who are sort of disgusted with the whole thing or angry about it, and they're just not going to turn up. And all those things, if they prove to be true, are going to be terrible for the Republican Party in November.
Starting point is 00:19:56 So you spent all this time in Ohio talking to a lot of people there. And when you were leaving and getting back on the airplane to go back home to Atlanta, what was going through your mind? The main thing I was thinking about was to stand with Brandon at that data center. I mean, he was on one side, there was an empty field. Across the street, on a side street, there were houses with American flags and some no-data-center signs. And then there was this enormous, enormous facility. And he had this look on his face of just shock.
Starting point is 00:20:37 I mean, he's seen it tons of times. He drove us up to it. He sees it all the time, and he just looked bewildered. Like, how did this happen? How did this get here so fast? And there's no going back. It's not like that's going to become farmland again. It's gone.
Starting point is 00:21:01 Next week on Red White and Who, another issue reshaping the midterms. The cost of living. This time in Arizona. Everything's more expensive. Electrical or power costs are rising. Water costs are rising. Food costs are rising. Gosh, where do I stop?
Starting point is 00:21:25 Red, White, and Who is part of the Journal, which is a co-production of Spotify and the Wall Street Journal. This episode was produced by Matt Kwong and edited by Catherine Brewer. Audio engineering by Peter Leonard. I'm Ryan Knudsen. Our theme music is by So Wiley and remixed by Peter Leonard. Fact-checking by Nicole Posulka. Special thanks to Chavon Hughes, Chris Matthews, Sarah Platt, Pierce Singey, and the whole journal team.
Starting point is 00:21:53 The journal will be back with a regular episode this afternoon, and the next installment of Red White and Who will come out on Wednesdays. See you then.

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