The Kevin Sheehan Show - #900 For Ovie + #1 On DC's Mt. Rushmore

Episode Date: November 6, 2025

Kevin and Thom today opened with Alex Ovechkin's 900th career goal last night in the Caps 6-1 win over the Blues. The boys did a couple of different "DC Sports Mount Rushmore" lists, all of which included Ovie. What's next as the competitive part of the Commanders' season is nearing the end? Kevin says, not so fast my friend, 2025 is still alive if they can pull off a major upset Sunday over the Lions. More Commanders, a few strong Thursday night College and NFL "leans" from Kevin, and a lot more. For all your football betting needs: DCRELOAD at MyBookie for a 50% Deposit Match   Want to spruce up your lawn? FastGrowingTrees.com Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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He's gone. Holy. Joe Beninati with the call of number 900 last night. Alex Ovechkin, every goal he scores is a new goal scoring record. Yeah. Tommy's here with me, literally in studio with me today, sitting right. cross for me. He's, of course, you know, on Thursdays, a professor

at Georgetown University, and he's on his way down there after the show. The show's presenting sponsor, as always, Windonation, 86690 Nation, windownation.com. Lots of football on the show. A strong lean,

not an actual smell test pick, but a strong lean on the NFL game tonight before we are done for the day. But let's start with, With Alex Ovechkin, first of all, did you see the St. Louis Blues goalie, Jordan Bennington, take the puck and stuff it into his pants. I saw a video of it. I thought that was pretty funny. Hysterical. Yes, absolutely.

The video, like they found out where it went because it was there on, the game was televised. Yeah. So they picked up on it and they were able to retrieve it. Imagine if he had gotten away with it. I know. That would have been great. I think that's a good, you know, college try there by Bennington. I think so.

Yeah. Yeah. I wonder what that puck is worth. I have no idea. I don't think it's worth like hundreds. I don't think it's worth a lot. You know, he is a Stanley Cup winning goaltender. Uh-huh.

The St. Louis Blues won the title the year after Washington won the title. They beat the Boston Bruins in the final. Are you impressed? You're really showing off your muscles here, aren't you? I beat your hockey muscles. You know why I'm not. I remember that? Why?

It's funny because I mentioned it to Max this morning. I said, didn't he win the cup and didn't they beat Boston? And he said, yeah, he's like very surprised that I knew that. I didn't tell him why I knew that, but I'll tell you why I knew that. Because our favorite all-time show, that particular NHL Stanley Cup finals, there was a big video that went viral with Jim and Pam. because Pam's from St. Louis, you know,

Jenna Fisher. Right. And John Krasinski, who played Jim, is from Boston. Oh, okay. And so they had this viral video going of him

at one of the games sitting next to the guy that played Roy, you know, Pam's first fiancé. Yeah. And the two of them talking about Pam. And because he's from Boston, too, name is I forget his name in real life. He was in, uh, yes. He was in Mara Vistown. Yeah,

Mara Vistown. He was excellent. Yeah, he was. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, he's been in a couple of other things, too, I think. Um, but, um, I remembered that video for any office fan went viral. And then, you know, Pam replied after St. Louis won the cup with like, you know, some cake and cupcakes that she sent to them or so I forget how it went. But that's why I remembered. Okay. It's so. St. Louis had won the cup. Other than that, I think Florida and Tampa have kind of dominated things here recently in the sport. Isn't Florida on a bit of a run here?

They've beaten Edmonton a few times in a row. I think they won two in a row. Yeah. And didn't before that. What are you doing? I'm looking. You know, this is what you do. This is what you do.

You push the envelope. Until I have nothing left. Yeah. You're not satisfied with. what you've accomplished. You have to wait until you screw up. I, you know what? I'm not like you where I set the bar so low and when I barely clear it. We're done. I cleared it. No, I want to go higher. Here are the, so 2019 was St. Louis over Boston, the year after the capitals won it in 2018. And then Tampa, Tampa, Tampa over Dallas, Tampa over Montreal, Colorado over Tampa,

Vegas over Florida, then Florida over Edmont in the last two years. Okay. So Florida's been, you know, what's interesting about that, see, this is why I do these things because it can open up some new conversation. Is anyone listening? Yeah, everyone's listening.

But this isn't even about hockey. Well, it is about hockey. Well, it is about hockey. No, but in a sport in which both of us have said, and everybody has said over the years, is so random. and, you know, the eight seeds win it, the five seeds win it. It's been Florida Edmonton in back-to-backs.

Florida's been in three straight representing the Eastern Conference. And then, you know, before that, Tampa was in three straight. So maybe it's not so random. Maybe the people who say it's random are the people that don't win Stanley Cuffs much. Or don't know anything about hockey. More likely. But it is kind of a random sport. and yet they've had this run of sort of, I don't want to call them, dynastic, you know, teams.

The moments are random, collectively they're not. But collectively, they do happen every once in a while. I mean, we've had eight seeds, you know, like the L.A. Kings, I think years ago as an eight seed, won the whole thing. And then like the next year, there was an eight seed that got to the Stanley Cup finals. That's kind of random. I mean, even Ted's come on with us, you know, even Ace Rothstein's come on with us. and said, you know, you just got to get there every year because anything can happen.

And it's true, although recently maybe not so much the case. Anyway, anything else on Alex Ovechkin? How about this conversation? We've probably had this before, but it doesn't mean we can't do it again. Alex Ovechkin on the list of team sport stars from our town, not coaches, Not owners, not GMs. Team sport stars, players. He's clearly on Mount Rushmore.

Who were the other three? Are we out of material? Is that why we're doing this again? No, I just, I, there was a time, believe it or not, probably no, no further back than five or six years where we would have debated Ovechkin being on that. Okay. Well, there's two, there's two lists. You have the pre-1960 and a post-1960. Because pre includes Walter Johnson and Sammy Ball.

Right. And Josh Gibson. And Josh Gibson. Yeah. Okay. So let's do post-1960. You want to do post-1960? Right.

Okay. Because actually when I was just jotting it down as I was coming up with the idea, I had Alex, Walter Johnson, Sammy Ball, and Jaden Daniels on my Mount Rushmore. You beat me too. I was going to say Jaden Daniel. You were? Okay. That's for all that, you know, now want to get rid of them.

all the sudden. No, the fourth was going to be tough because I think Sunny would have had, you know, certainly a case. I think that Daryl Green would have had a major case.

You would have already had it filled out with Josh Gibson. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, but again, post-60, 1960, it'd be Ovechkin for me.

It would be, uh, this is interesting, post-1960. It's a tough one from there. Yeah, I know it is. I would go Rigo. I think Sunny's got to be,

Sunny's one of the greatest passers in the history of the game, and during his era was one of the great quarterbacks, and in franchise history, he's on the Mount Rushmore of players, and that, you know, based, put it this way. There's no bullet that's on it. Wes Unseld's not on it. There's no bullet or wizard that's on the Mount Rushmore.

Personally, you know how I feel. I'd have Elvin Hayes ahead of West Unseld, and you're not going to put them on the Mount Rushmore. So there's no wizard slash bullet. There's only one capital, right? Yes. We're not going to talk about Rod Langway? No. Ovecans would get some conversation.

Ovechkin's it from the hockey. Baseball, are you going to put Frank Howard into that conversation? I think Frank Howard and Juan Soto need to be in those conversations. That Soto is so fleeting. It's so short. Well, so was Bryce Harper. I'd have Bryce Harper on there before Soto. Why? Soto's a better player.

He was an MVP. Soto wasn't an MVP here. No, he wasn't. He only had the biggest hit in the history of Washington baseball. Yeah. Ovechkin, Sonny, I think Daryl Green probably has to be on that list. Daryl's ahead of art. Daryl's ahead of...

I don't think he's ahead of Rigo. Trust me, I'm going to get to Riga. Rigo here, but I think he is ahead of Rigo. He's 20 years, same organization. Daryl Green on the list of the greatest corners of all time is much higher on the list than Rigo is on the greatest running backs list. Rigo's on the greatest big back list. You know, people will call them fullbacks. I mean, Rigo technically wasn't a fullback his entire career. Right. Especially with Gibbs, right? You know, he wasn't a fullback. He was a running back. Right. They were in the one back. much of the time.

Ovechkin, Darrell, Sonny, Rigo? Not in that order. I'm not putting three football players on that list. Okay, well, what other... I told you, I put Soto on this list. He helped them win a World Series. Strasbourg was more responsible

for them winning the World Series. They don't go to the World Series without Soto. Against Milwaukee and the Wild Card game. Yeah. Well, they don't go without Howie Kendrick's Grand Slam against the Dodgers. I know that. They don't go with...

Soto has a body of work. Yeah, but it was very short here. Strasbourg is, Strasbourg, by the way, will go down as one of the great clutch performers in D.C. sports history. Okay, let's put Strasbourg there instead. I don't want to put Strasbourg there either.

Well, I'm putting Strasbourg there. Okay, you're putting Strasbourg. I'm not putting three redskins on the list. Well, if they're better than any Natt or Cap or Wizard or Bullet, you should do that. But they're not. Okay. I think I would go

actually at this point number one is ovechkin like it's not even debatable since post 1960 yes yeah ovechkin's number one yeah on that mount rushmore of dc sport team sports stars number two i think i would go sunny jurgensen am i am i building in too much popularity here yeah well then you would be doing that with riggins too riggins had the greatest postseason that we've ever said i Again, that counts. Just like it counts with Soto, that counts a lot. What was Soto in 2019 in the postseason? I mean, after he had the home run, obviously, in game, in game,

he had the back-to-back with Rendon in game five, or the last game in Dodger Stadium. Why, you check with your staff? Ask them a look at him. My staff is looking it up right now. Batting postseason. Okay. So the first year is 2019, all right?

He goes, sorry, let me pull up the aggregate numbers playoffs. So in 2019, 17 games, he hit 277, 5 homers 14 RBIs. Yeah. He had a good postseason. No doubt. great postseason with that, you know, eighth inning. Okay, let's differentiate it. Let's say you have to pick someone from each sport then, okay?

Let's make Mount Rushmore that you have to pick an athlete that represents the four major sports. Okay. Let's do it that way. Okay, Ovechkin Caps. Okay, that's he. I would, I honestly would consider Elvin Hayes. I would put Wes. I know, and I think most people would.

Yeah. I just think Elvin Hayes. is a greater player in the history of the game, even though a lot of lists do have Wes in front of him and other lists have Elvin. You know, I've told you this before. Elvin Hayes is still like top six all-time rebounders, top six, top 11 or 12, all-time scores.

Right. I think power forward conversations never include him and should. Yeah, you're right. They should. The problem with Elvin Hayes is he never played his best in the playoffs. Yeah. Iron man of all iron. Okay, so that's basketball. You've got Wes.

I'm going to put Elvin. Right. Baseball. You know, as much as I like Soto. It's Howard. It's got to be Howard. The guy who's a statue is out front of Nats Park, Frank Howard. Yeah.

Although he was never the overall player that Harper or Soto were. No. No, but he had some remarkable years. Okay. Then what are we doing? What are we doing with the Redskins? And football. Yeah.

Yeah. It's between sunny, Rigo, and Green, Daryl Green, I think. Yeah, post-1960 it is. Yeah. You know, it's not Larry Brown, sorry, Charlie Taylor, no, Jake, you know, Grim. I'm going to say, I'm sticking with Rigo. I think I think I'm going to stick with Rigo. I'm going to go with Rigo.

I'm going to follow you on Rigo. I just think that in terms of the significance he had on this franchise, His postseason, which is still the greatest postseason for a running back in NFL playoff history, carrying them on his back to their first Super Bowl and Super Bowl 17. I mean, and without question, being involved in being the center piece of the most famous play in D.C. Sports history. It's the greatest four weeks in the history of this town when it comes to sports. It's certainly up there

It's it That's it I mean that's it I mean it's just a remarkable run So that's I would put riga Okay so the only difference is that I've got Elvin if we're going by team I've got Hayes and you've got Wes

God man that's hard that's a hard call Elvin Hayes he's still alive He is I've tried to get him on the show I was going to say I have tried to get him on the show Since you like him so much The last time I tried was maybe like a year A year and a half ago

How do you try to The Rock? I went through the rockets. The bullets, the wizards told me to go through the rockets. Did they really? Yeah. A bunch of weasels. Why couldn't they do it for you?

Because he's a part of the organization. So why? So why? The wizards should have helped you more than that. Crying out loud. Okay. We're not going to go down that path here. By the way, I need parking for tomorrow night.

No, I'm kidding. I'm all set. That would be college park tomorrow night. Maryland and Georgetown tomorrow night. College Park, 6 p.m. start. You know what? I'd like to be there with you, but I'm going to be at the D.C. Boxing Hall of Fame induction dinner. Who's getting inducted?

Charlie Broughtman. Oh, my God. Charlie Brotman's getting inducted. Oh, that's awesome. In the D.C. Boxing Sports Hall of Fame. That's D.C. Boxing Hall of fame. One of... And he'll be there.

One of the most influential PR people in any single. in any city in the history of public relations, right? Yes. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. The face of sports PR in this town. No doubt. You know, and actually, he'll be joining yours truly as a member of the DC boxing hall fame. You know, I'm glad you reminded me of that. Thank you. Because I do remember, you know, in your office, you had some sort of statue or plaque or something up there. Yes. Yes. You were a DC boxing Hall of Fame member. A contributor. Contributor.

That's the category. Whatever. Okay. You know, I wasn't actually a fighter. Charlie Broughtman's the best. Maryland Georgetown tomorrow night. I had Ed Cooley, the Georgetown coach on the radio show yesterday. Tommy, he is an excellent guest.

He is a real salesman. Like he can sling it with the best of them. But I've always been a fan of him as a coach, you know, through the Providence years. Georgetown's much better. Are they? Much better this year. And by the way, he's good friends with Dan Quinn. They live either in the same neighborhood or next door to each other.

They've become really good friends. And he shared some of his thoughts about Quinn. He's a big Dan Quinn fan. So would Dan Quinn be a good neighbor? Because remember, Jim Zorn was a good neighbor. But he wasn't that good of a coach. I don't even know if Jim Zorn would have been a great neighbor. Oh, he would have been a fabulous neighbor.

He would have been like, come on, get up. We're going for a bike ride. He would have been a great neighbor. You're having surgery? Can I come? His chainsaw would be your chainsaw. Well, first of all, I would need it if I was going to use a chainsaw because I don't have one. Dan Quinn would be a great neighbor.

Of course he would. You know, that's actually a perfect segue. Nice job. Into this. I'm excited because I'm in your sparsely decorated. You can really clean this place up since you've become a YouTube star. Yes, I have. Um, not really.

Uh, so, uh, I got this or somebody sent this to me from T-Resh. T-Resh writes, I think Dan Quinn is a genuinely sincere and upfront person. I also don't know if he truly believes he made the wrong decision on Sunday as much as he knows he made the right decision on Monday by absorbing the blame, shutting the debate down and trying to move the team forward. What do you think? Do you think Monday was all about shutting it all down? I don't think that's an unreasonable viewpoint.

I think that would make sense. That's the advice I would have given him whether he believed he missed it or not, you know, at that point. So I think it's possible. But I don't know. I'm going to say that Dan Quinn maybe had to come to Jesus moment and did actually realize, you know, maybe I did this right? You know, it's not, I got a column running in the Times tomorrow that reminds everybody about the question I asked Quinn before the season started. Remind everybody of what that was. That question was when I asked them, do you ever stay up at night thinking to yourself because of Jane Daniels is such a special talent?

I hope I get this right. Yeah. You know? And he almost, he didn't get it right. and almost irreversibly self. Yeah. So I don't think it's an unreasonable thing either to suggest that that, you know, was part of what happened on Monday. I don't know if I think that's what, I don't think that's what it was.

It wouldn't surprise me if he thinks that having him in the game at that point wasn't the big mistake, but putting him into a position by dropping him back. twice on that final drive and then calling an RPO on that final play that he got hurt on was the true mistake. But what was the point of having him in the game if you're not going to use him that way? You can use Marcus Marriota to hand off. You can, but a lot of teams when they're either getting their ass kicked in the games over or in the case of Seattle having the big lead, like, you know, why is Sam Darnold in the game?

Well, he's in the game, as Steve Souter pointed out, he's like sprinting six yards back to hand the ball off so there's no chance that he could get hit. But you could have just had him hand the ball off three times and punt, hand the ball off three times, make a first down, hand it off three more times, or throw a quick bubble screen. You know, who you're talking about Jaden now? Yeah, Jaden. Make a first down. That's kind of ambitious. Without his legs, it was. Yeah, the other night, true. But I bet you that he's like, look, because he said, he said that our plan was to pull him after that drive. We didn't call any reads or any options, like designed runs or option runs, but that last play was an RPO, and he's like, most of the time he gets rid of the ball. Yeah, but the problem was

you couldn't block all night, and the guy comes in and forces Jason, Jaden to scramble, and you did call two dropback throws on that final drive. That should be, like, the biggest thing, because if you were just handing the ball off with him in the game, look, I was watching it in real time and said before the fourth quarter take him out. Souter said on the film breakdown, guys, you got to listen to Suter's film breakdown from yesterday. There's a lot of, you know, his reaction to even Kurt Warner. Did you hear about the whole court?

Yeah, I heard the whole Kurt Warner thing. But Steve's really good in breaking it down. In fact, really, the big takeaway from Steve's breakdown is that Kingsbury called a not so good game. But my point is, if Jaden had gone back into the game and just hand the ball off three times and punted the rest of the game, I would have been like, okay, well, that's fine. least they're not going to put them in harms away. And they just, you know, they realize the game is over too and they're not trying to stat

pad or anything else. And what's the point really, too, when Seattle essentially now is in preseason football mode because they've taken some of their starters out anyway. Right. You know, I mean, they should have gone to a running clock in that game because they were getting their ass kicks so badly. But I agree with you, like this take is not unreasonable. I would guarantee you that Washington's PR.

who they do a much better job, as we've talked about for the last couple of years, than the old PR group, you know, did. Yes. And there's no doubt, because we both know their PR people well, that they probably went and said, this is the conversation. This would be the way to sort of attempt to shut it down. You know, that's interesting because this is the kind of stuff I've been preaching about. We teach this in the business of sports media class.

And I've been teaching about for years. years in that your PR department has to be part of your football decision making. Okay. That doesn't mean you're calling plays based on how people will react. It means how are you defending what you've done or describing what you've done to the public that could have an impact on your football operation moving forward. It's not a separate little PR thing that just runs press release. leases and stuff. If you have a good PR guy, that PR guy is going to be able to tell you, if you do say this,

this will be the impact and it'll be the impact beyond just that room. You're right. I mean, it's the impact in his own locker room. Yes. It's the impact on how people around the league, including players, view the coach. So this is why, you can't separate the media from the football, as much as people try, it's all part of it now, because the media is so, when I mean media, I just don't mean me in a handful of reports. Right. I mean, the whole social media,

ESPN, Fox, conglomerate that you've got now. I'll finish up this segment with this. If we had done non-team pro athletes, because you brought up boxing. Sugar Ray Leonard would be on that list. And Katie Ledecki would be on that list. But you've only got four.

I know, but both of those would be on the list. Who would you leave off? Of the list we just created, Frank Howard and the bullet, Wes and Elvin Hayes, either one of them. Okay. All right. All right.

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How about more about him, Kevin? Steve is a pretty humble guy. we've talked a little bit about him on one of the previous things. Steve legitimately is one of the greatest punt returners in the history of college football. He still owns a lot of ACC records for punt returns. He retired. When he graduated, he had six punt returns for touchdowns. Wow. I think his yardage was all-time NCAA leader. I think he was second in touchdowns. He was not just a punt returner. He was like a four-three guy. I think he was. He was a four-three guy. who everybody knew was going to catch a bubble screen and take it 80 yards to the house. But the thing that I wanted to share with you, and I forget if Steve ever mentioned this on the podcast, he grew up a Redskins fan and was a huge Brian Mitchell fan. And he never fair caught a punt in college. He refused to fair catch a punt in college.

B. Mitch didn't call for many fair catches. And he said something to the effect of, If I can catch it and just fall forward two yards, that's two yards that the offense wouldn't have had if I had called for a fair catch. His issue professionally is he did play in the CFL for a while. He had five knee surgeries, which pretty much killed his career. But he's coached. He's been involved in a lot of football camps with guys like Scott McBrion, you know, former Terps quarterback. And he's excellent doing this.

really, really good guy. And, you know, one of those turps from the Ralph Regen era that we all remember because he lit West Virginia up a couple of times, including in the Gator Bowl with a 77-yard punt return when they blew West Virginia out. So, yeah, thanks for that, Ben. And I know a lot of you love listening to him. This from Sebastian. Sebastian sent me a very long email, which in essence screamed what other.

have been screaming recently. Fire everybody. I mean, okay. Peters, Quinn, Cliff. Kevin, Quinn's malpractice getting our quarterback hurt was the last straw. This season is revealing of arrogance more than anything else.

They thought they had it all figured out, and they only had one thing figured out the quarterback who made everybody look smart during one magical season. You know, it's funny because this This guy, Sebastian, sends me a lot of these emails. And usually they're sorry, Sebastian. They're so long.

You get some of this, too. When somebody sends you, like, a full page, do you read through the whole thing? I do, generally, but not initially. Sometimes it's tough. So I, he's using your language, though, when he said. The one, the quarterback? Yeah. Yeah, no, no.

I, yeah, but he's not using my language in terms of fire everybody. No, but he's using your language by using malpractice. Oh, yeah, about Monday night. Yeah. But it was interesting because I went back because I remember he was adamant Sebastian was over the summer about, you know, and I found it. He essentially said, you know, Terry has to be loyal to the franchise. The franchise needs to be loyal back to Terry. This is a loyalty issue.

And I was thinking about that with his latest email. He's not that loyal. No, he's not. You know, like you really bailed on loyalty. I mean, Quinn got you 14 wins last year Quinn and Peters did and 60 minutes away from the Super Bowl

and you're bailing after nine games. But I found like multiple emails. This is a loyalty issue. The team is not being loyal to a guy that's been loyal to them and Terry should be loyal and more appreciative back at them. And I would say, Sebastian, look in the mirror when it comes to loyalty.

Ooh, you know, But this is the one thing is, you know, Quinn, we both agreed on the last podcast that Quinn's Mayaculpa turns this into a forgive but not forget situation. Yeah, I agree. I don't think fans, unless there's dramatic success, I don't think fans are going to look at the coast the same way for a long time. I disagree with that. I think that in the moment when he got...

got hurt, it's really like, what are, what were you doing? What were you thinking? I think a lot of people didn't even necessarily think about it, but more people than not thought about it. And, and, because there was a lot of people that said, look what I tweeted, you know, in the third quarter, early in the fourth quarter. And look, national pundits took, you know, a lot of swings at Quinn. But, yeah, I don't, I think that people, for a few weeks it was building. Like I've said, it's like this is, we're just living in this, you know, era of what you just saw is actually what is.

And that's just not true. I mean, because, you know, the Chargers game, you only have to go back, you know, five weeks. And look at how good. Jaden's healthy. I know. It looks great. We got a running back that's going to be the next Emmett Smith. We got a corner that's going to be the next Daryl Green.

But this stands out from the general failure of the season. Yeah. This one moment stands out. So I wanted to get to this because I think we can just have a conversation about this, which, well, we'll wait for it. Chick wrote and said, so Kurt Warner, your punt return guy, yada, yada, yada, where do we go from here? as you say, Shan, solutions, please, what are they? So you don't have to come up with solutions today.

You're in the middle of the season. We have eight games left, and it's like over for everybody. So can I just take one minute not to do playoff scenarios, I promise you? But to say that crazier things have happened, this season, the NFL,

right now, let me just, tell everybody tomorrow on the smell test, Washington's going to be on it, plus the nine, plus the eight and a half now. The number's coming down. There's a lot of sharp money on Washington. There is a lot of public money. It's right now the single most public bet team of the entire football weekend college or pro. We know what happens in a lot of those. Now, why is that? Well, Detroit's really banged up. They're offensive lines and tatters right now, which is why they couldn't protect Jared Gough against Minnesota. Now, I've bet they'll have more success protecting him with a bad line against our defense. But you don't, the solutions, you know, if we want to jump ahead, they need two big-time defensive players that are impact players right away. And they've got to go get a big-time wide receiver that can separate, you know, and hopefully bring some of the other pieces back. I think they're set along the offensive line right now. They have found Chris Paul, you know, hopefully Conner Lee Jr.'s right. Tunsell's had a very good season.

They're strong with Biotic and Cosmi, you know, and Paul. You must have enjoyed Chris Paul's face mask blocking. It was, you know, that was on the drive. They're at the Seattle 40. I know. I know it was terrible, but it was funny to watch. Yeah. I mean, like, it couldn't have been more blatant.

Souter loves Chris Paul and said he had a bad game. He said the O line was not good on Sunday night. But let me, again, just get back to this for a moment. I promise I'm not going to tell you that Detroit right now in the playoff seedings is the seven seat at five and three. So if you were able to pull off a win on Sunday, it would really help in the tie-breaking scenarios. It would help in the tie-breaking scenarios if they were to pull it off. But let me just say that you have eight games left. They're not out there bailing on the season.

I promise you that. Adam Peters and his staff are thinking, and hopefully they thought about trades and tried to make some trades to try to help them for the future. But if Jaden's injury, and as of the recording of this podcast, we still don't have the Jaden injury stuff. We don't know what specifically, you know, it is. Quinn said we need another day or two.

Again, from what I have heard, it's not season ending. It's not devastating. These HMOs are a pain and he has to deal with. They really are. Yeah. He's hard to get information added. Let's have a conversation about health insurance in this country. What do you think?

Government shutdown guy. So, yeah, I just don't think that anybody out there, and it doesn't mean we can't think about the future, but I'm not thinking about the future. I'm thinking about over the next four weeks, they only play three games because they have a buy. one of those games is against a pretty terrible team, the Miami Dolphins, who can score a lot of points. They can, and they'll score a lot. Souter said nobody's scoring less than 28 against us. And Detroit actually might be also wounded enough in a road game,

maybe some rain on Sunday, where if you pulled off a miracle on Sunday, let me ask you this. If they pulled off a miracle, a shocker on Sunday. What would be the recency biased tone on Monday and Tuesday? Oh, that's like a B-12 shot. That really is.

That's a B-12 shot right in the ass. Could I start talking about playoffs? Listen, we should do this now because I think after Sunday, we're not going to have the opportunity to do it. So we should probably talk and go full force on this season. ain't over yet, baby. Well, it's not technically. I know that. So let's go.

Well, I mean, it's just... Like Dave would say, let's go have us a season. Look, I am not predicting it. They are so bad on defense that even if, you know, they pulled off a miracle against Detroit and then beat Miami and Spain to get to five and six. And then they had the buy and Jaden was okay to come back for the Denver game Thanksgiving weekend. I would still say at that point, I mean, I'd be more, I'd be excited, but it's not going to happen with this defense. They're just, they can't stay in these games. Not now.

Not now. And you know what? I'd feel a little bit better, and I like Marietta, but I'd feel a little bit better about this scenario if Colt McCoy was the back of the quarterback. Yeah, I know you would. I know you would. You just, the NFL changes so much. It would be if, if, I mean, it would, if they somehow pull this off. What is pulling it off mean?

When? When what? When against Detroit. Sunday. Sunday. That's all. Oh, look, that's it. Oh, you've got to be rooting for that right now just because of how it would be a 180.

Yes. I mean, our fan base has become, look, I'll be nice here. It's not that much different than other fan bases. But given that you and I are in a business where there's a lot of interaction and lot of exposure to this fan base, it'll absolutely change 180 degrees. People will walk into that stadium. They'll forget everything they said the last two weeks. They'll walk into that stadium Sunday like zombies and then walk out like they're celebrating

New Year's Eve at Times Square. Now, if they win, it'll be like, well, Marcus Mariotta is the quarterback, you know, depending on how they win, because look, he could play well. You know, he's played well. Detroit is going to be, Quinn said something yesterday about running the football and that they've got to get back to, you know, kind of big balance. They talk about running a football all the time and they never do. No, they got to run the football now. I think they're going to run the football now.

I think we got some running the football coming. And you know why? I don't know if they'll be successful. I like to see Chris Rodriguez be a big part of that. I like Chris Rodriguez. Because I like the way he carries the ball. I mean, he's not going to fumble. That guy carries the ball old school. Kiss of death right there.

Old school, baby. It's on the ground. And he seems like he's good for four or five yards. I agree. Yeah. I agree. I mean, I'm okay with Kroski Merritt. I'm okay with Bill.

I think he's a good runner too. Neither one of them is the next Hall of Fame running back. Let's be clear on that. At least we've gotten through that part. Some of the crazy talk about some of the players. But, oh, if they were. were to pull it off on Sunday, it would be all of the sudden, oh my God, what a great job Dan Quinn did getting this team to hang in there to fight, to not give up. I mean, the turnaround.

You know what? That would be fair. That would be fair to say. Yeah. Look, I mean, I thought he coached a good game against Kansas City. That would be fair to say. I mean, because that would be a coach's victory. Yeah. And then now what we'd have to deal with though next week is the Marioita talk. If he had a really good, and I would find it hard to believe that they could beat Detroit without Marioota having a good game. And I would say that if he has a good game, it looks like, here we go. Here we go with the box score before the actual box score. All right. This is, This is, I am giving you the headlines tomorrow today. That's what I'm doing.

Okay. Washington beats Detroit 21 to 20. Marcus Marioita was 15 of 21 for 160 yards. And then he rushed 17 times for 75 yards. I was going to say 80 yards. Yeah. And had a touchdown. And no turnovers. No turnovers. Zero. And penalties, the team had four for 25 yards or something like that. And by the way, Detroit had three turnovers. And they won the game 21 to 20. Something like that. Tomorrow's headlines today. You can't find that on any podcast or radio station anywhere in town. Absolutely. That's been a TV show a few times.

Tomorrow's headlines today? Yeah, like the newspaper will, you know, this guy had privy to what was going to happen in the news. I don't know. Somebody delivered them a newspaper with the next day's news already in it. I never watched it, but I remember it was a TV show

for a while. You told me something before we started to record the show about how radio, sports radio, play-by-play sports was done back in the day. I'd like you to tell everybody about that when we come back. Also, I have a really strong lean that almost became a

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That's rocketmoney.com slash Kevin D.C. Rocketmoney.com slash Kevin D.C. All right, Tommy, tell us about Shelly's. Well, Shelley's backroom, I just want to make sure everybody realizes it. It may be an old school kind of place, but it's a 21st century operation as well. You can follow Shelly's on Facebook. If you go to Facebook and you can follow the Shelley's backroom page. And they're on X as well.

They're very active in social media. I'm going to give them a follow right now. I don't think I'm following. I don't know that I'm following Shelly's, okay? You want to give out their X address? Well, I imagine it's X at Shelly's Backroom, but, you know, if you're going to put me on the spot here. I've got it. It's at Shelly's Backroom.

Yes. At Shelly's Backroom on X on Twitter. Yes. You can follow them, and I highly suggest you too, and you could always go to their website at shelley's backroom.com where you can find out their terrific menus. They haven't put out a tweet since 2019. Really? Yeah. So, you know, a lot of people, you know, they got sick of Twitter and X, are maybe they're on Instagram.

They may, I know they're active on Facebook. Okay. I know they're active. You're not on Facebook anymore, are you? No, I decided that that wasn't for me a few years back. Well, I don't get that. Yeah, well, I've explained to you that. You know, but your stuff is on Facebook.

I, the radio station posts yourself on Facebook. Awesome. And I like it. I'm happy. Whenever I see anything of yours, any. these dumb reels that you've got now that they're posting all the time, these videos, I've always hit a like. You want to hear some of the reaction to some of those videos?

The people, hold on, I've got to find this. Keep talking about Shelly's. Okay. Now, Shelly's does not have video, but they don't need video. You can picture what Shelly's is like in your mind. A beautifully decorated, you know, smoking lounge with comfortable chairs. eight high-definition TVs, a friendly staff and a friendly bartender in Tony to serve all your needs, whether it's cigar, drink, or food.

And you can find what they have, all three of those things on their menu listed at shelley's backroom.com. Take a visit sometime to Shelley's back room at 1331 F Street Northwest in the district. And follow them on Facebook. Yes. This from Ed. I'm watching you on the internet, Kevin. you have a face made for radio.

By the way, that's my line. Hold on. What do you mean that's your line? I've used that line so many times. Oh, it's not my line. I'm just saying I've used it so many times, including on our shows. You didn't like create that line. No, no, no, no.

Okay. This from Mark Z, your watch is ugly. Like, people just pick up on all these things. From Christine, your lower lip quiver. when you get mad. Other than that, it's a really good show. Okay, let me ask you a question. When did these start?

When did they start doing these? Do you remember? Have they been doing them for a while? I don't think they've been doing them long. I think it's been almost a year now. Okay. Nine months? How were you initially when they started?

What, the YouTube videos? Are you aware of being on YouTube? You know, Tommy, remember, well, you and I, the show we did was never televised. No. The show that I did with Rigo for two years was televised. Yes, on Masson. Right.

And you became completely, you know, oblivious to the fact that it was, the cameras were there. I mean, for this, yeah, I don't think about it at all. You know, it's not just the clips that they put out. You can watch the entire show. Yeah. On, yeah, on the Team 980 YouTube channel. So you got to wear clothes when you do the show now. Well, I haven't done a radio show naked in the past, if that's what you're saying.

What about that one? I don't dress up. What about that one at 980? a few years back. Well, that was, I was hammered that particular day. All right. Yeah. But by the way, also one more. From Brian, no disrespect. I love when people say no disrespect or no offense. Yeah. They're about to offend you or they're about to disrespect you. But do you work out? Thank you very much. That was a question for me. You know what? Maybe it was, and I just read it incorrect. Yeah. No. All right. So what was I going to, Oh, real quickly.

I'll get to the Smell Testline to finish up the show. You said to me before the show, and I forget how we got into it, but that when radio play-by-play guys from the past did radio play-by-play, and there was no television, they would make stuff up all the time. Well, if they made a mistake,

they wouldn't have to admit it. Right. Nobody would know it. And they could just kind of like fix it without you missing a beat. And nobody would know because nobody could see it. Of course. You had to rely on everything on the radio. There was a very famous radio announcer named Graham McNamey back in the 20s who's known for doing that.

You know, identifying the wrong guy with the ball or missing the yardage line or anything because it's hard to do. You know, I mean, I don't think they had a team with spotters back then in the 1920s. I think it's one guy on a mic having to look at the field and see what's going on. So in radio, there used to be a lot of guys that used to make mistakes, but they would easily covered them up just by kind of like continuing the broadcast and you never really know it. It's so interesting that you brought that up today before the show because, well, two reasons. One, the other night I was talking to my father, and I called him to say,

did you stay up and watch Game 7? He loves baseball. And he said, you're not going to believe it. I fell asleep before the 11th inning. And I'm like, but did you watch the highlights? He goes, yeah, the whole series was incredible. And I don't know what made me think to ask him this. And I said, you know, when the senators, you grew up with the senators, you know, in the 50s as a young, 40s and 50s as a young person, do you remember listening to the games on radio?

And he said, every single game, you know, his brother. my uncle Gary and my father would listen to games in their bedroom. They had a radio in their bedroom. I said, that must have been a luxury. He said, we had two of them. We had one in the den and we had one in our bedroom. We were supposed to turn it off at 8 o'clock every night, but we didn't. And we would listen to the games.

And then he told me something. He said, Arch McDonald, I guess, was the Senators play-by-play guy for many years back, you know, when they were Griffith Stadium, 40s, 50s, whatever, 60s, maybe. I don't know. I should look that up. I'm interested in that. And he said that they didn't go to road games. They called the games from here when the games were on the road,

and they would get the information, you know, through the teletype, teletype wire service. But they would basically call the game based on that information as if they were there, with like sound effects and the whole thing. Well, that's what Ronald Reagan did. Ronald Reagan did that for Cubs games, I think back in the 30s or so. you recreate the broadcast. You know,

with sound effects and stuff like that, you know, the sound of a bat hitting a ball, the sound of a crowd piped in. That's what Ronald Reagan did. Okay. That's what made him president. So the technology was there to travel with the team

and broadcast the game, or not? It was radio. Marconi, I mean, it was radio. They could have gone to the games and, and, you know, I guess so. I guess the cost would have been more prohibitive. I mean, they, there's no difference from, I don't, by the way, I looked up Arch

McDonald. I wasn't around then. I know it's hard to believe. I looked up Arch McDonald. He was the senators play-by-play voice from 1934 to 1956. Wow. There was one exception. That's 22 years.

1939, he broadcasts the Yankees and the New York. Giants, I guess, in football. But he was the longtime voice of the Washington. Look up Ronald Reagan on recreating baseball. No, I believe you. I think I remember that story. But yeah, anyway, so that it made me think of that conversation with my father the other night.

But when, you know, when I got back into this business, I've told you this story before, I got into it, you know, I'm talking about not working for Buckham. out of college. That was my first job, but then I got involved in a totally different professional career. And I came back into broadcasting by doing play-by-play work. And I did Catholic football games. And I did some Catholic basketball games, Catholic University. And then I turned that into like, you know, some updates. And I ended up at 980. You know, long story short, you know, all of it ended up at 980. But when I was doing those Catholic football games, my good friend Will Morris and I, Will was my neighbor, and Will was the head coach at Gonzaga,

high school in the 70s and the 80s. Will was, you know, a quarterback at Maryland way back in the day. It's been a friend of mine forever. And I remember saying, why don't you come be the analyst on these games? Basically, it was an internet broadcast, okay? And, you know, we quickly realized, like, first of all, maybe, you know, 15 parents of the kids were listening. I think, you know, for the really good games,

maybe we would have like 100 listeners, you know, on the internet. But the game wasn't televised, you know? So when something happened that we completely screwed up, we didn't need to tell anybody. No. No. We didn't need to tell anybody. And we just said, you know, yeah, you know, it's the, there was a penalty there and they brought it back,

but actually they'd stepped out of bounds or something. I mean, there was a bunch of that. But my favorite story of doing those Catholic football games with Will Morris, we did a game at, oh, God, the places in Philadelphia. It's a D3 program, and I'm forgetting it was outside Philadelphia. Is that your phone? Wyden it? No.

No. I'll come up with it. Wathmore? No, it wasn't Swarthmore. It wasn't mainline school. But anyway, it was, the booth was not. not covered at this place. It was outside.

It was 35 degrees and raining sideways. And we got there and we're like, well, this sucks. What are we going to do here? And so there was a small little cover and we, you know, had coats on and the whole thing. The equipment was getting wet. And the halftime score was like 31 to nothing Catholic was getting beat. and so let's just say the second half of the broadcast didn't make it to air and we we basically then you know sent out a you know an email to the people saying the rain was too heavy and we had technical

difficulties no at half time we said enough is enough by the way we weren't getting paid to do this bob talbot longtime athletic director at catholic university was great i don't even know why he gave me this gig. I think I just had Steve Buckhance and Scott call him and say, yeah, he can do this and he said, fine. And yeah, no, the game, that particular year at that

Philadelphia school that I can't come up with was not, you know, the broadcast did not end due to technical difficulties. It ended because the two broadcasters were too cold, too wet, and too tired to do another 30 minutes in a blowout game. You didn't consider just,

rerunning the first half and nobody would notice? We probably could have. We probably could have. I got to come up with that school name. Anyway, real quickly, before we end the show, the smell test, I'll have all the picks tomorrow, 9 in 1 last week, 70, 41 and 6 on the season, 63%. And I do like the board this week.

There are a lot of really obvious ones. So tonight, I think a lot of you thought I would have the Raiders getting 10. Right now, the line's down to 9 at My Booky. If you want to bet the game or bet any sports, MyBooky is the place to do it. Go to the Kevin Sheeonshow.com slash my bookie. Use my promo code. DC Reload. DC Reload. And they'll give you a 50% cash bonus. If you are an existing customer, but a listener to this podcast and you want to make a new deposit, you too will get a 50% cash bonus. It's totally worth it. Why not?

Take the free money. But there is sharp money right now on the Raiders. That lines down to eight and a half at my bookie. I see it at nine in other spots. And there's a lot of public money on Denver. I'm not giving the Raiders out. I'm going to play them personally. But I just last night I got one piece of information from some offshore people who said,

this guy is on fire. He's a super sharp. We limit him. And he is land. the points with Denver. That's the only guy we have that's playing that side. So I'm going to stay off the game with the smell test. Me personally, I'm going to play the Raiders. I'm even going to play under 43 in this game. There are a couple of college games tonight, too, that I'm going to play. But again, they're not official plays either. But tonight in college football, I think both

Georgia Southern and UTSA look right. And you know, the last couple of weeks when I've given out some of these leans, they basically all hit. I should have been giving them out as actual picks, but I'm not. I'll have all of my picks tomorrow, but I do like Raiders under Georgia Southern and UTSA tonight if you're looking for some action,

but they're not going to count as actual smell test selections. Okay, Tommy? Okay. All right. I'll come up with that Philly school, or maybe you guys can tweet me or email me and mention the Division 3

it's a Division 1 basketball program, but it's a Division 3 football program. Or maybe it was 1A or something like that. Your army of listeners will help you. Yeah. And Catholic would have played them years ago. LaSalle! It's LaSalle.

Okay. I'm pretty sure it's LaSalle. LaSalle's in Philly. Yeah, I know, but I didn't think they had a football program. They have a basketball program. I know they have a basketball program. That's D1. And I think the football program was D3 back then.

Okay. But that's where it rained sideways and was 35 degrees without a press box. Most places had a press box. Yes. Including Catholic University. Even high schools have a press box. All right, we're done. Oh, my pick.

Your prediction. How did we forget? Well, go ahead. The season's getting away from us too, boys and girls. You know, after our enthusiastic conversation about pulling the season back from the brink. Yeah. I hate to say it. But it's going to be Detroit, 30, Washington, 15.

30 to 15. You've got some weird scores this year. 30 to 15, so they don't cover. No. One more touchdown would get them a cover. No, they're not going to cover. So you can't give us a 30 to 22? No, it's going to be bad.

30 to 15 is bad. It's going to be really bad. They'll be an empty stadium by the fourth quarter. All right. I will talk to you on Tuesday. I'll be back tomorrow. Jay Gruden will be a part of the show. until then.

Okay, boss.