The Kevin Sheehan Show - A Legit Training Camp Crowd

Episode Date: July 27, 2023

Kevin opened the show talking about Day 2 of training camp, the first day with fans. It was an enthusiastic crowd in Ashburn and the team appreciated it. Encouraging news on the RFK site was discussed and Kevin talked about a big ownership dinner last night in Georgetown. Pete Hailey jumped on to talk Commanders and Kevin finished up the show with something Jacoby Brissett said today at the end of practice.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it. You don't need it, but you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Sheehan Show. Here's Kevin. First day with the fans here. Was it a lot of fun for you? It was cool. It really was cool.

It really was. I think one of the things that the players talked about was, you know, when somebody made a play, you could hear the fans get excited about it. And guys come back to the Hubble. They got grins on their face and stuff like that. So their energy is part of what. helps us. The first day with fans at training camp, and you could hear it in Ron Rivera's voice, players and coaches excited a great turnout for the second day of camp, the first that allowed fans to

attend. Saturday should be a huge turnout with people, most people not working. Typically, that first Saturday of camp is the biggest turnout, but it was the most enthusiasm that team has seen for a training camp practice in a while. Now, remember 2020, Pandora. pandemic 2021, people still kind of reluctant. But a big turnout today with the new bleachers and according to all, a very good practice and no injuries. Duran Payne's dealing with a bit of a toe issue, but as of the recording of this podcast, no major injuries. And the reason I mentioned that is as I am beginning this podcast, a little bit later today than I thought I would.

breaking NFL news. Joe Burrow carted off the field at Bengals training camp today. It was 11 on 11. He was flush from the pocket, moved out to the right, and he came up lame holding his calf. Zach Taylor, the head coach of the Bengals, just said moments ago it's a calf issue, but he does not know if it's serious or not. Have no idea, maybe by the time you listen to this, you'll know what the injury is and whether or not it is serious or not. But look, Joe Burrow is about,

we believe, to sign the biggest contract in the history of the game. Herbert signed that the other day in LA for the Chargers and Burroughs the last of the quarterbacks of getting new deals in this offseason. And his deal is supposed to ultimately end up being the biggest for the position the biggest in the history of the NFL. And he was out there practicing. And I don't know how many more practices he was going to be involved in before this deal got done. But he's a guy that just said, no, I'm going to be out there with my team.

And, you know, my agent, they'll get the deal done. And I'm not worried about getting injured. Well, I promise you this. He ain't going back out there again, even if he's healthy. until that new deal is signed. But that is a breaking NFL story as I am starting this. God, I hope Joe Burroughs okay. I mean, I love watching Joe Burrow play,

and that would be really awful for, and I'm telling you, you'd never see a big-time player that's on the verge of signing a big-time deal, walk out and practice again. Now, Joe Burrow is under contract, remember. So this is going to be a contract extension. And the new collective bargaining agreement, or the last iteration of the CBA,

allowed teams to not only find players, but did not allow for them to rescind the finding of players if they missed training camp days. So that could get a look-see at some point down the line if Joe Burrow ends up, you know, being hurt seriously and having it impact the next deal. Let's keep our fingers crossed that Joe Burrow is okay. So there was also another NFL story. This one involving Sean Payton and an interview that he did with USA Today.

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bidders had reached out to him to gauge interest in the Washington job. This was before he took the job in Denver. And at the time, I said it was kind of Bush League that he did that, given that Ron Rivera is the coach in Washington. But Sean Payton destroyed Nathaniel Hackett, the head coach of the Denver Broncos last year, and by the way, currently the offensive coordinator for the New York football Jets. A Jets team, by the way, that we learned yesterday that their starting quarterback took a $35 million pay cut to help them with flexibility around roster construction, salary cap, et cetera. Yeah, Aaron Rogers took a $35 million haircut. How do you think Packers fans felt after reading that one?

I love the Jets this year. He's got, you know, Cobb, he's got Lazard, he's got Nathaniel Hackett. It's their offense. You know, there's not going to be any kind of learning curve. it'll be the learning curve for the rest of those players. They have a dominant defense. I love the Jets this year. I really do.

But if you're Sean Payton or if you believe in Sean Payton, maybe you don't want to go anywhere near where Nathaniel Hackett is. He called in this USA Today story, he called Nathaniel Hackett and his staff one of the worst and the job that they did, one of the, quote, worst coaching jobs in the history of the NFL. He said as follows, quote, it doesn't happen often where an NFL team or an organization gets embarrassed. And that happened here. Part of it was their own fault relative to spending so much bleeping time trying to win the offseason,

the PR, the pomp and circumstance, marching people around and all this stuff. We're not doing any of that. The Jets did that this year. You watch, hard knocks all of it. He's not a believer in the Jets. He said, I can see it coming. I remember when Washington's Dan Snyder put the dream team together. I was at the Giants in 2000.

I was a young coach. I thought, how are we going to compete with them? Dion Sanders is there now. That team won eight games or whatever. So listen, just put the work in. Closed quote. Not a big fan of what Nathaniel Hackett did. By the way, nobody is.

Okay, Nathaniel Hackett was a bad head coach. But he's also in saying that and going public with that, he's kind of taking any of the responsibility off of Russell Wilson's shoulders. By the way, I was reading through the ESPN recap of this story. And, you know, they have obviously followed much more closely than I, the Denver Broncos offseason. And I was going to read this one quote or this one paragraph. Peyton has been offered plenty of opportunities to talk about Wilson and the Broncos' performance multiple times. The strongest comments he had were that the offense as well as the team's play overall was hard to watch.

and that Wilson would not be allowed to have a personal quarterback coach or other support staff of his own in the team's complex. Wilson was walking around, I guess, with all of his own staff. Apparently, he's got quite the entourage when he goes anywhere. But he did say that Wilson has, quote, plenty of gas left in the tank, closed, quote, in the USA Today story. but man, Nathaniel Hackett and staff did, quote, one of the worst coaching jobs in the history of the NFL. Close quote. And then brought up the 2000 Snyder team.

Remember in that interview with Adam Schein, when he mentioned that the bidders, or one of the bidding groups for the commanders had reached out to him, he talked about, you know, the history of Washington and how, you know, it had crumbled under Snyder. You know, he was in New York. He was part of the Parcell's staff. Like, he knows what Washington once was.

He's very familiar with what Washington once was. And it was appealing to him. Remember, in that interview, it was kind of appealing to him. And I would mention, I think what I mentioned to Tommy yesterday is that I think it's probable that it was job. Harris and that ownership group that reached out to Sean Peyton. I mean, either that or it was Tillman Fertita or Steve Apostolopoulos. I mean, it's a one-and-three shot. I don't think it was Bezos.

Anyway, so there was some good news this morning related to the stadium in D.C. All right? they, and we will find out at some point, perhaps after the podcast recording, if what I believe is going to happen has already happened, and that is that the House votes on this bill to allow the RFK Stadium site and the lease associated with it to be amended to allow mixed use development. And what's happened here, and I'll read from the Megan Flynn-Sam 40A story in the post this morning, Representative James Comer, and we've heard that name here recently, the Republican chairman of the Congressional Committee that oversees the district introduced bipartisan legislation that could

help D.C. turn the shuttered RFK Stadium site into an attractive new mixed-use development and potentially into a shiny new home for the Washington commanders. This legislation is set to pave the way for local officials to create meaningful new jobs, add millions in city revenue, and transform the Anacostia River Waterfront into a lively destination for all, Comer said in a statement to the Washington Post. Comer's bill comes, as we know, a week after Josh Harris and his group took over the team, and the legislation is a rare moment of bipartisan harmony during a tumultuous year for D.C. in Congress,

led by Comer, a Republican who has clashed with D.C. council members and pushed through legislation seeking to block local D.C. bills. The RFK legislation is co-sponsored by delegate Eleanor Holmes Norton, the district's non-voting representative, in Congress. Norton said, quote, the RFK sits on underused federal land in D.C. that could be redeveloped generating tax revenue for D.C. neither the mayor nor the council chair opposes this bill which would allow D.C. to put the site to productive use. A vast improvement on the current state of affairs. I look forward to working with Chairman Comer to pass this bill as quickly as

possible. So there are a couple of things that this bipartisan bill means. Number one, you know, if you go back and follow this story, and I was told this from somebody kind of close to this particular negotiation and relationship between the city and the team, and by the way, Representative Comer, is that a big part of this thing coming together is Comer and Muriel Bowser because they came together on the crime bill in D.C. And from that point forward, it was, you know, a working relationship that allowed them to get to where they have gotten to on this particular bill. Now, it's got a pass in the House, which it's expected to do, and then it's got to pass in the Senate, which most people think it will do. as well. But the fact that this is a Republican chairman that is introducing this bill as a bipartisan

bill with Eleanor Holmes Norton and Muriel Bowser, basically hand in hand, is a big deal. Phil Mendelsohn, not opposing this at all. Look, none of this gets done if Dan's still here. I think we all understand that. But this is a big step towards D.C. and the RFK site being the new, being the site for the new stadium five, six, seven years down the road, whatever it would be. Now, this bill is not for the city to acquire the land or be given the land. It is for this current lease to be amended and extended, extended way out into the future, probably until the end of the century, and amended to a,

allow for the mixed use development because right now the lease does not allow for that. So the RFK site then becomes a more attractive lease allowing for a new stadium with mixed use development around the site to happen. And the city would then basically as the group leasing it from the federal government, they would turn it over to the team as part of their kind of. contribution to the new stadium in D.C. So that is hurdle number one that appears to be on the verge of being cleared. Hurtle number two is then about the cost, the cost of mixed use development, the project, the stadium itself. They don't have to acquire the land. Okay, they don't have to

spend, you know, hundreds of millions of dollars or more on the land, but they have to build the stadium. Now, from what I was told, you know, this is a hurdle to clear, but the biggest hurdle of cleaning up this lease so that it was possible for the city and the team to work together at the RFK site. That's pretty much done. I mean, assuming that the House and Senate passed this, which everybody expects it to do. And then the next hurdle is, who pays for what?

You know, the city is essentially contributing to land. There are things like environmental mitigation, infrastructure, land prep remediation, things like that that the city more likely than not would pick up the cost of. You would have private investment with a lot of that mixed use development. you know, private investment might be, and we're talking about developers, might end up being close to half the overall cost. But then you've got the cost of the structure in the stadium itself. You know, and we know from Nashville and Buffalo, there are significant taxpayer contributions to those stadiums. Now, there are other ways to generate the revenue. They can sell bonds that can be paid back over a period of time.

in many ways kind of the structure of what happened with Nat's Park, or at least part of that structure of that deal. But I was told from somebody in the know that D.C. months ago was a distant third to Virginia and Maryland, and now there is basically an equal chance between D.C. and the other two jurisdictions, and it, D.C. has all of the momentum. So we will see. And again, by the time you're listening to this, it's possible that there's even an update to the story with respect to the vote. But really good news on the RFK site. And I would, you know, I would predict right now and lean towards RFK being the eventual site of a new stadium. In the meantime, the Harris Group is, you know, planning on putting a lot of money into FedEx Field because that's five, six years away.

You know, maybe not that much, but, you know, it's 2027, 2028. I think at the earliest for the RFK site, they've still got to play at FedEx Field for another four to five, you know, maybe longer than that years. And I think one of the things that Josh Harris has promised is that they are going to make FedEx field more appealing for those that decide to go to the games and hopefully we end up with big crowds to kick off this season. One more thing before we get to Pete Haley. And then I'm going to play for you in the final segment of the show, a soundbite from Jacoby Brissette today after practice, training camp practice that I thought was interesting for several reasons. But I wanted to share with you something. I had multiple people reach out to me, actually late last night and then early this

morning, about a dinner last night in Georgetown at Cafe Milano, which included the new ownership group or a significant percentage of the new ownership group, including Josh Harris and other, I guess, significant people around town. Maybe Tommy was there. I'll ask him on the podcast tomorrow. did not tell me about this dinner if he was there he did not tell me but um the reason that uh they reached out to me was just to say the name issue is a very serious issue uh among the this new ownership group they understand how important this is to the majority of their now new customer base uh and that you know this will be uh dug into deeply um look, I mentioned to you over a month ago that I had a source or two that had told me that there were some of the limited partners in the Josh Harris group that didn't like the name and wanted it changed.

And so the naivete of some of you that, you know, no, no, no, no, they're not going to focus on that. They're going to totally ignore that, you know, winning. They can do more than one thing at a time. doesn't mean anything's going to happen now because it's not. They can't do anything about it now. The season is on the verge of beginning. But I would wager, as I said the other day, and I put the odds at like minus 115, minus 120. I'd put them at like minus 175 now in favor of a name and brand change.

I would certainly bet on a name change. They know what time it is as it relates to this issue with most fans. both past and present. And, you know, I think at the very least, this is going to be a major topic. It's something that they will dig deeply into. And there will be a conclusion to this at some point. We've heard enough from Josh Harris in these national interviews with Albert Breer and really the one with Adam Schaefter the other day,

where he said, look, that's not my call. That is the city's call, meaning the fan base's call. but I don't think anything's going to happen related to this anytime soon, even in the form of like, hey, we've heard you and we are going to begin to explore what our options are related to that. I'm not expecting that. I'm expecting stadium improvements, engaging with the fans, football team getting ready to play, those kinds of things for the foreseeable future. But for those of you that, you know, like me, would like to see something happen here, even though, as I've said, I don't think it's an easy fix unless you're going back to Redskins. But I think we will see a name change.

And I think it'll happen sometime next year. That's what I think right now. Pete Haley next, right after these words, from a few of our sponsors. This segment of the podcast is brought to you by MyBooky. Go to MyBooky.com and MyBooky.orgie.orgie. Use my promo code, Kevin D.C. To secure a first deposit bonus of up to $1,000. All of the NFL prop bets are up.

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If there's something written in the promo code section, erase it, and write Kevin D.C., my bookie, for all of your NFL needs. We've got, hell, we've got the Hall of Fame game, I think, coming up in a week. I think it's a week from tonight as my guest is Pete Haley from NBC Sports Washington and whatever it's called these days. And Pete, of course, more importantly, is a big part of J.P. Finley and Mitch's podcast. And that podcast is called these days. Sorry, what is it called?

I forget. It's totally fine. It's the Belway Football Podcast. It may not be the best name, and it may not be the name for long, but it's all we had to switch to when we became monumental instead of NBC sport. So I'm almost as confused as you are. So yeah, calling a JP's podcast, our podcast is just as good as referring it as its real name. Well, I should have checked, but I knew recently it changed,

and I just couldn't come up with the name. So it's the Beltway football pod, and those guys do a great job. Am I right, by the way? Is the Hall of Fame game a week from tonight? You know, that's something I should check, so we're even. It is. It is. It is.

One week from tonight, August 3rd, Canton, Ohio. We will have football on TV. I'm talking about like real football, not the XFL or whatever else has been on. And the Browns are one and a half point favorites over the Jets, who I guarantee you will not be quarterbacked by Aaron Rogers on that particular night. Pete's always great to have on the show, and it's been a while. I'll just start with, I mean, this is your team, too. You're from here. You're a big fan of the team.

So what was last week like for you? It was, first of all, unfortunate timing. I was on vacation when the sale became official, and then when Josh and all the owners had their big soire at FedEx Field, and I probably should have come back for that, and JP has given me a lot of crap not coming back. for that, but I had, like, family up at the beach that I don't see that often. Regardless, I was able to track and feel the excitement from up there, and I, like, felt real, legit

FOMO for not being at FedEx Field, which is an emotion. I never thought I would feel. I've been there enough, and I've never thought, oh, I can't wait to come back here. But the energy, how human Josh Harris seemed up there on the stage, high-fiving people, people chanting his name. And it continued into training camp today when he arrived on said Mitchell Rails. He's walking around like a freaking mega rock star, and he may not give the best high-fives, but he's

giving high-five. What did he do? What was the high-five? What was the high-five like? I didn't see it. You know, it's just he had a bunch of fans leaning over a railing, and it's just kind of like when a golfer and his cat, he don't really know what to do after a big shot, and they kind of like double-plutch at each other, but like, I appreciate that he's trying, because Dan would walk out

surrounded by people in suits and polos, whereas Josh is going over and taking pictures. So I just am really thrilled with it. It does feel like the fan base was unconscious and now it's woken up. And I think it's going to continue to grow. I thought maybe there was a section of people that have been lost forever. But I think that section, if it did exist, is going to start coming back. And this training camp can be a really good starting point for all of that.

Didn't Tiger and Stevie have one of those uncomfortable high fives? I think it was that it may have been at that open in 2000. 2008 when he had that putt that forced the 18-hole playoff with, I think it was Rocko Mediate. I think it was. Yes, that was one. And then also I even think on like the chip at Augusta when it comes back. Right, right, right, right. That's the one.

They kind of stare at each other. Yeah, that's a bit uncomfortable to watch. Yeah, so Josh kind of had those with some fans. But again, he's smiling. He's like pumping people up. And eventually that's going to stop. I'm sure he's going to settle him. But, like, I like that he's leaning into it, understands how,

desperate these people are just for a regular person to be in charge. And I think the players are really responding to it, which is maybe something I didn't expect, but they're all talking about how Josh is promising to get them everything they need. And they're like legitimately impressed by just the inclusion of the stands, which on one end it's like, wow, we really need some bleachers to get everybody fired up. But on the other end, like, I get it. They've noticed how below standard their facility is. And now they have these nice looking stands.

it sets up this nice little, like, secluded area, and it's loud, and it's just how football should be in the NFL, and the guys are really, really reacting to it all. All right. Let me ask you, because you're younger, and your generation, what are you? You're in your early 30s? 28. 28 years old. So what is your group of friends that were hardcore fans at one point like you? Where were they before last week, and where are they now? So they, I feel like my group are still just old enough to where they like grew up as fans without the fantasy football world and the betting world. So like it was still, you choose a team, you buy jerse for that team.

You're not watching like the guys on Instagram. You're not following people who you just like because they're funny on social media. But so I think they were still kind of holding on. They would go to games almost like a ironic thing. like I'm going to go, I'm going to get drunk, and I'm going to be really depressed. But I think the group below us, kind of the, like my friend's little brothers, for instance, and people in my family, like my cousins and stuff, they were teetering, and now they're seeing, oh, okay, you know, their parents are telling them, this is the juice that I felt when I was growing up,

and they were able to go to the bullpen together. They were able to watch this press conference together, and, like, I think they are coming back. So there are certain people my age two who were, you know, very, disillusioned with it all, but I think the 22-year-olds, 23-year-olds who went to college, wearing washing gear, got made fun of, realized they didn't have to follow this team. They could just bet on people or have fantasy. They're now realizing, oh, this is what everyone else feels, a team that they have pride in and that they want to support, and they're going to, I think, be addicted to that feeling

very quickly. So if you got two minutes with Josh Harris, what would you tell them? What would be your advice? Oh, that's good, because I'm sure he's getting a ton of advice from everyone. one. I would say, like, I guess this is what I would say. I would say, like, don't, it's easy right now, right? You can buy people's drinks at the bullpen. You can come out to the first day of training camp, and he doesn't need to be doing this kind of stuff all the time, but don't lose sight of it. Don't, and I don't know if he'll feel like this is a victory who's going to stop caring, of course, but like when you say you want to make the stadium

a home, even if it's crappy FedEx Field, like, do that every week. When training camp, it's August 12th, and it's hot outside and there's a medium crowd, maybe make a point of coming out or having Mitchell rails come out, pass out some T-shirts and some tiles. Like, don't just think, okay, Dan's gone, I'm here. We're fine. We've hit a couple easy singles to start.

Like, I want that first game to be a big deal, but also week three, week nine, week 15, continue to keep the pedal down because, you know, there are people who still aren't going to believe in it, and maybe the season doesn't go as well, and some people, you know, start losing interest pretty quickly, but really engage, give out free stuff, make the stadium really fun again, make practice fun. Like, you're off to a good start, but don't just like get complacent, I would say.

I don't know if that'd be great, but maybe he would listen and say, hey, that's a decent idea. Peter, here's $100,000 for your time. Yeah. You didn't mention anything about the name. Would you advise him one way or the other on the name? Yeah, I guess I wouldn't use that time to talk about that because it seems like, I'm believing that it's going to change just from the very early indications. And I would say, hey, if you're thinking about this, you should do it.

Not only because it's a bad name on its own, but because, yeah, like, get rid of every tie to the past. And I would be pretty surprised if they went back to Redskins, but I'm not going to be, you know, I'm not putting a zero percent champ on it. I think maybe they could figure out a way. Like with Dan, when your team is called the Redskins and you have Dan Snyder in charge, it makes it easy to be like, oh, that's an awful horrific name. But if you have all this new momentum, this positive feeling around the franchise, and maybe you can bring it back and put a more positive spin on it.

We're doing it to honor. Here's a better logo. I think the logo is a big part of it. So I wouldn't rule out Redskins, but I do heavily favor names change. And I would advise him on that, but I think he already is heading in that direction anyway. Yeah, I haven't spent a lot of time. talking about the Redskins as an option other than just suggesting that it's not zero percent and that I do think that there's a path, especially with Magic Johnson perhaps being influential

in that process if they wanted to go down that path. But I just don't think they will. I think, Pete, the bottom line is they paid $6 billion for this thing. And we both know, and everybody listening knows that you're going to reinvigorate the, you know, the segment that was very active in protesting the name, whether they had any, you know, real data behind them or not. They had a dictionary defined term, you know, they had a definition in the dictionary that said they were right. And I don't know if you invite that right off the bat, you know, in your first few years after paying $6 billion, but my God, would I love it if they actually pursued it in a sincere way? And by the way, in a very compassionate way, too, because there's some compassion

that is required as well, something that, you know, the last owner didn't have. He didn't have much finesse. He didn't have much compassion. And he wasn't very strategic. And the combination of all those things and a lot more meant that once the opportunity was there, Fred Smith took advantage of it. All right, let's talk some football. So going into this season right now, when people talk to you because they know you cover this team and you follow this team,

and they say, what kind of team is your team going to have this year? What do you say? I say, and I've been asked this a couple times recently, I say I really like everything about the team, fans, the offensive line, and I'm kind of questionable about the quarterback, and it's unfortunate because those are the two most crucial things, I think, to winning in the NFL, but I'm very bullish on the receivers. I think the tight ends, losing Armani Rogers did sting, but as long as there's no other injuries there, I think that can be a very solid group. The running backs, maybe they need to add a Kareem Hunt. I'm not dying for that.

And then on defense, like I think Emmanuel Forbes is going to be the absolute real deal. I think Chase Young, maybe he's not a superstar, but he's going to be he's going to help, I would believe. have another few pro bowl level players on there. I think under the same coordinator, I don't think there's any reason to expect them to fall off too much. So, yeah, I think I always say, well, Ronnerver's won seven, seven, and eight games the past three years.

I don't see them backtracking at all. And if you get above average play from Howell and the offensive line is able to maybe be hidden a little bit by the enemy or the running games really good or Wiley and Cosme and Sidique Charles are better than I think, then I think that's when you start trickling out to the nine, ten wins, and you can be a real surprise team. But yeah, I think this is Ron's best team, but the issue is he's still searching for the quarterback answer, and if you find him Sam, I think that'll be more of like, oh, what a, what a treat this is as opposed to, you know, we knew what we were doing all along.

I think they're just playing Sam because they really have another option, not that they're, you know, mega enthralled by them, but I do think there's a lot to like about him. I'll come back to everything you said, because I think I agree with almost everything you said. But I had Barry on the radio this morning, Barry's Verluga, and I think I talked about this yesterday, maybe on the podcast or maybe on the radio show, I forget now. But you know, what's interesting is like I think everybody is reasonable enough to say Ron Rivera had, you know, a shit show that he came into. And for the most part, if we take the football results and take them out of the conversation, he kind of navigated this shit show pretty well. I mean, you know, he's a, you know, he's a veteran coach, he's a good person, he's respected around the league, and, you know, he came into a situation that wasn't the same situation. Every other coach came in with just a terrible owner.

This guy came in with a terrible owner and then all hell breaking loose on the investigation front and otherwise. And, oh, by the way, had cancer at the same time. But beyond. And COVID and a bunch of others. Exactly. Yeah, I mean, I've got, I've been, I've been. I forgot this morning to even mention the fact that he had to coach and, by the way, run a football organization during COVID, which is a rather big deal. So I think it's very reasonable, and some people disagree with me because I've heard from some of them.

But I think it's reasonable to give him credit and a pretty high grade for that part of the job. I wonder whether or not we, like what grade as a pure football coach, based on the results right now, what grade would you give him for the three years? It's like, this is also a little complicated because it's like what grade compared to all the people he's, you know, been replaced or he's replacing, you know, the predecessors or what grade overall just as an NFL coach? As an NFL coach for the three, these three seasons, just football stuff, what grade would you give him? I think he is a very shiny C plus. He's not quite a B minus, but I think he's the best C plus you could ever have. Well, that's...

See, I think a lot of people would say, well, it's a D. You know, it's lower than that. But I agree with you. And I think one of the reasons I brought it up is it's easy to give him credit for kind of managing all the off-the-field stuff is the face of the franchise with nobody else that was really the face, even though Jason Wrights tried a couple of times to be the face. The truth is they went 8-8-1 last year with Taylor Heineke and Carson Wentz.

The year before, they were 6-and-6 on a four-game heater. And I shouldn't call the heater. I mean, they certainly weren't a dynamic offensive football team, but they won four in a row to get right back into playoff contention and then lots of injuries in COVID hit. And in 2020, they got hot at the end of the year, in a terrible division and they made the postseason winning the division. I actually think it's a C plus B minus also, but I think most people would say it's much less than that.

And we can point to the mismanagement of games and mismanagement of the quarterback situation. And then I would ask you this, what grade would you give him as the personnel head, the guy that's been the final say on roster construction for three years? Yeah, I'd probably tick him down a little bit just because I'm so swayed by the Carson-Wenz acquisition, but probably still a C because his first year he found the McKissick and the Logan Thomas's. You know, they found Derek Forrest and guys like that in the draft. Like, the team is more well-rounded than it was before he got here, I think. It's all of this is like incremental improvement, but, yeah, I think Prevarez done a much better job as a coach and as a personnel guy than the Gruden Allen pairings.

and then before that stuff, it was Shanahan and then just disasters left and right. So C plus as a coach and then a slightly faded, but still pretty comfortable C as an evaluator. I think I would give him the C plus B minus as a coach, and then I would trend up on the overall general manager job. And the reason is, okay, their best players are players that were acquired prior to Ron's arrival. But the truth is the roster overall right now with the additions that he's made, not all have hit. And obviously they have botched the quarterback situation. One wasn't necessarily their fault in the injury to Ryan Fitzpatrick.

We have no idea how that would have worked out. But I would probably give him the B minus maybe into the B range. I mean, nobody's giving them an A here, people. But I don't know. I was thinking about this yesterday and I just thought, this guy's, far from the worst we've seen, and he's far from the worst in the league. Now, the next question is, what do you think he needs to do to be back in 2024? And it can be quantified with a record as part of your answer, but I want you to kind of describe, you know, your thoughts on what it would

take really for Ron to be back in 2024, because the odds don't favor that. Yeah, and I don't favor either, because while I, like I said, I like this team, but I don't. don't see it really going a great way. I don't see it being 11-1 season. But for him to come back, I think, number one, they have to get out to a better start. Ron knows that they're scheduling these joint practices. They always have to call on these four-game semi-heaters

because they're two and six, they're one-and-five, and they're drowning before they even get to October. So I think that needs to be a big-time priority, smush the Cardinals, and then try and get some games there, so you're not just playing permanent catch-up. And then, yeah, I think it has to be, Playoff is tough to say because what if you go 10 and 7, then somehow the NFC is really strong. But like 10 wins is, I think, got to be his baseline and a competitive playoff game,

not necessarily have played the Buccaneers and have the scoreboard look okay, but give up 500 yards to Tom Brady. So I think, and it also has to do with Sam Howe. Like if Sam Howe shows promise, then that can be a selling point for Ron. That's something a lot of people are pointing out. It's not the first time you'll hear that, but it gives Ron a thing to say, like, look, we made improvements. We started fast, and I got this young quarterback who survived in the system that I built with him. I got him an O.C. he likes. I've had this defense

coordinator. He's doing well. I've weathered the storm. I've emerged from the other side. So I think it's a good start, 10 wins, and promise from Sam Howell, and I think that's a pretty good formula because I think Josh Lerner can look at Ron and find it to be respectful. He's not someone with no track record. He's not a goofball like Nathaniel Hackett, who's just waiting to have his head locked off. He is respected, like you said. So I think those two could vibe, but it does have to be a pretty nice jump in performance overall, or else it's just going to be too easy to let go. I love the way you described the playoff game against Tampa. It's the same way I've kind of thought about it. I know everybody thinks, you know, Washington, first of all, they did not play

Tampa tougher than anybody else did that year. New Orleans did. That game was closer, as was the NFC championship game against Green Bay. But they gave up well over 500 yards, and Chris Godwin dropped like five passes that would have added probably another 75 yards of offense. I think honestly, I think if Godwin hadn't dropped the balls, they would have been near maybe playoff record territory in terms of yards in a game. Yes, they lost by, it was eight, right? It was 31, 23.

I think that's what it was. Yeah. And they had a chance. maybe with the ball down one score at one point, but my God, were they as great as the defense was last year, as good as we thought it might be in 2021, as good as it was down the stretch in 2020 against all those backup quarterbacks. Tom Brady absolutely shredded them. And Leonard Fournette also, let's not forget if I recall ran through them like a knife through warm butter. And I guess that kind of speaks to like another somewhat quantifiable but somewhat not.

thing for Ron and his team to strive for. When you play the class of the NFL, don't have it be so obvious that you're not at that level. Like I think a lot about the Bill's game at week three a couple years ago, and they went up to Buffalo. They had lost the chargers, but then they got their footing right on Thursday night against the Giants. They had extra days to prepare.

Ron called it a measuring stick, and then they just got destroyed. And it was like, if this is the measuring stick, then you have miles to go. Like the Eagles game last year, you can't lose 24-day-old. home and give up eight to nine sacks, whatever that number was and be just wholly embarrassed. Like, I think that's another thing for on, like going to the Niners, 37 to 20. I know that game was a little bit closer than that score indicates kind of the opposite of the bucks, but still, like, when you play the top teams in the NFL and Josh Harris understand, like, okay, I know that the Cowboys and the Eagles and the bills are on the schedule and they're great,

let's see how my team stacks up. He shouldn't be leaving the stadium with a, like, sneering, like, oh, okay, we have a long way to go. He needs to be able to see, like, okay, we're undermanned. We need a little help on the offensive line, but Ron has this team competing with the really good squad. Yeah, I was just trying to think, as you said that, like, what are his best wins? To me, the Pittsburgh win in 2020 when they were undefeated, when they played that game on like a Tuesday afternoon during COVID, that was actually one of the better wins the franchise it had in a long time in terms of marquee wins.

I don't know if anything comes close to that. Oh, maybe the Philadelphia. Well, speaking of that, Monday night football last year, undefeated team, they beat the Eagles. It's probably those two games. And then I think the 2021 post-by-week Tampa. Yeah, they just choked at Tampa with that really long rushing drive at the end.

I think those are, that's one a year. Like, those are really good statement wins. But like I'm looking at the 2021 schedule, then you also lost it. Denver when Denver had no quarterback to speak of. You lost the Dallas Philly, Dallas Philly four times in a row back, back, back, back, back. Like, there are

the statement wins, but then there's still the flops and every team has that. I know the Chief lost the Colts last year. I made a lot of money on that game betting on the Colts, but you know, he needs to match and get a couple more at the like exclamation points as opposed to having one when everything's going the team's

way and then fading away at the end like he tends to do. Yeah, I had the Colts actually on the money line that day as well. That line was way too short. But I'd say the Cleveland game last year is the signature loss, because not only did it come with the quarterback change and the absolute thud across the board, and probably the first bad defensive game they had had in months,

it came with the press conference where Ron wasn't entirely sure what the playoff ramifications were. Anyway, I guess we'll have time, you know, probably at the, sometime in mid to late January, to reminisce over Ron's big wins and losses, because that is the odds on favorite. So, where are you on Sam Howell? I am growing more and more appreciative of Sam Howell's intangible and the way he seems to be very serious, the way he talks about how he studies the offense and goes home and practices the play calls and how they had them mic'd up in minicamp and he listens back to it.

I also liked when Standing asked him yesterday, would you be into doing the Netflix quarterback show? And he's thought about it. He's like, no, not really. Like, I have enough on my plate. I don't want distractions. I think a lot of second year quarterbacks would step into that and say, yeah, that'd be awesome. My boys could watch me.

You could see my house. Like, we'd show my dog. Like, no. Sam shot that down, and I don't even think or know if Netflix would ever ask him, but I liked that, and I thought that was a good little insight into how he is as a person. So love the maturity and how he's approaching it, and now it comes down to the consistency. I think we definitely see the ups at practice. I think Jacoby Percette can't match Sam Howell's best at all, but if Jacoby Percette,

and I don't think there's a competition right now either, but if it comes to a point where Sam Howell's downs are so often, and it's just hamstringing this team, then sure, maybe you go up to steadier percent. But I like that Powell's mobile. I like that his arm is really strong. I like that he seems to be willing to take some of the chances that past quarterbacks haven't really wanted to take or have been unable to take, speaking of Heineke.

So I think this is a really, you know, you got Harrison, got Ruta Snyder, and I know fans when the games begin will be all in and hate this team if they lose week one. But I think this is a very nice season for, the quarterback. Like you figure it out if it doesn't work, okay, now the owner and the new head coach gets the picket. But this is a, if it works out, then holy crap, this great year is now becoming like an all-time one because we found our quarterback and we got rid of the disgusting owner. Do you give, you gave a, you know, a chance for the old name to come back? What kind of percent

chance do you give that Sam Hal doesn't make it through the next month and a half and that Jacoby Brissette ends up starting the opener? As long as they're healthy, I'd give it maybe a 5% chance. Like, it's early on in camp, so maybe Sam would, could go on to have a really bad week, and the players start hanging their heads, and McClorn starts moping, and you start just hearing reports about how the defense is eating him alive,

and maybe I would have to change it. But I just don't think Bresset makes enough plays. Like, it feels like having the enemy and having all these receivers and running backs and tight ends, and then putting Burset in, it's just kind of like a wamp, womp, like how, yeah, he's going to make the sake he's going to throw some interceptions, but I think he at least gives a little more electricity

to an offense that without considering the quarterback looks to be pretty electric. So I think it makes sense long-term, and I also think it gives them the best chance to be a somewhat explosive offense to have him to 10% per percent, but I'd be, you know, 10% tells you I'd be pretty floored if he is somehow starting in week one. What are your expectations for Chase Young this year? I think that Chase, I really, after 2020, was just like, wow, what a guy so charismatic.

Running up, like I remember in that Steelers game after Cam Simpson makes a catch, Chase Young sprinting down the sideline to go pick him up. He's just maybe not getting sacks every week, but he's reading the read options with Jalen Hurts and popping and he's picking up bumbles, he's crushing Joe Burrough at the goal line. Like, he always made his presence felt. I was like, yep, they have found their cornerstone. And I've just been, like, disappointed clearly since, not getting any action near the quarterback in that first season afterwards until he tore his ACL and not showing up for OTAs repeatedly, even if he is working out with guys, whatever. But I still have pretty good expectations.

I think this is definitely gut check time. He's been a just football superstar's whole life. Everyone's told him how amazing he is. Well, now you have to prove yourself. I like that he's working with Larry Johnson, his Ohio State coach, the defensive line coach there. He is regarded as just a guru. Chase called him that today. I think Chase doing that and feeling really good about his knee, not having a brace.

I think that's all really promising. And it's convenient for him that he plays alongside just three other monsters. So I think he can get 10 sacks. I don't know if I expect a crazy defensive player of the year type campaign, but anything short of 10 sacks, I'd be pretty disappointed. I think, though, he will come through and at least make this team have to decide whether it's worth resigning him or not. And if he goes on the market, I think he'll get a pretty big deal.

Like, I think it's going to be a good to really good season for Chase. What will we all be saying at the end of this year about Eric B. Enemy? Oh, I think this is really a tough one. I think we'll be saying, okay, he got out of the Kansas City cocoon, and he made it work. I think it's going to be, okay, it's time to give him a head coaching job. I don't know if it's going to be here with Ron leaving if they then promote EB from inside or trying to do something. But I think he's going to do enough.

I think the offense will function well enough where he'll now be ready to go elsewhere. I think I rank the outcomes as he's a head coach elsewhere at the top most likely. He's the head coach here is the second most likely. He remains offensive coordinator as not that likely, and like he somehow gets demoted as not going to happen. So I think it's not going to be, oh my God, he's a genius, but this is kind of lame. I feel like I'm sitting in the middle of a lot of these questions, but I think he'll do fine, slash quite well, and go on to Greener Pastures and be a head coach, and then it's up to him to kind of figure out how to run a whole team. But I like the way he's stressing details. I like

his energy. I think he's a major change of pace for Scott Turner, and I think that's what this offense could really use. That sounds like a really good Twitter, question. And I can only, I would predict that the largest percentage would be your first two choices. Head coach elsewhere or head coach here. I'm actually kind of surprised at how optimistic everybody seems to be about Eric B. Enemy. I'm hopeful, just like I'm hopeful about Sam Howell, but I have no idea. The only thing I know is that nobody wanted them except for this team. I'm not even sure I think Andy Reed would have brought him back. because he wouldn't have let him twist in the wind unemployed. But it was either here with a quarterback,

with quarterback uncertainty and head coach uncertainty, or it was back to KC where Matt Nagy was going to take over as the O.C. That to me just Pete speaks of beware. But maybe he just needed a place to spread his wings outside of Andy Reed and Matt Nagy and Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelsey. Unfortunately, he doesn't have the last two here. Nothing resembling Mahomes and Kelsey here. But I think everybody would answer it in the order that you gave it. And I'd probably say the third or fourth choice. But we'll see.

No, I hear you. And I totally understand that. And yeah, it is funky. Like when he was introduced and he was up at that podium with the commander's lapel and color tie, I was thinking, like, this team never has a coup like this. Like, why did they land this guy who apparently is really well-regarded? And sure, since then you kind of look at the dust settles. You're like, wow, this maybe doesn't add up. But I do like how he is on the field. I do like how hard he's coaching these guys. And I think his energy is very much needed on a coaching staff with Ron,

who has been very quiet and with Jack, who is actually pretty muted on the field. So maybe I'm just getting a little caught up in just how different he is and different with his team is a good thing. He's definitely different. And it's very possible that, you know, his style just has a shelf life to it, no matter where he is and no matter how successful the team is. And he needed a new place and they needed him to have a new place and it'll work out. Yeah, like a Tom Tibado or something. Like he goes to the team for three years is a hard ass and everybody grows to hate him.

but for those three years, he makes you better. Right, exactly. All right, last one. So what's your guess? What kind of season do they have? You know, you've already, you know, the O line and the quarterback, we understand that. The defense, I think we're all confident, you know, has a really good chance to be very good again. How does it end at the end of 2023?

I will say, I think Sam Howell goes beyond what people, or at least national folks, are expecting. I think the O-line comes back to bite this team, but I do think they will be better than last year. I think this will be Ron's best season, but it's going to be of the 9 and 8 variety. He's going to

continue to inch forward, but I think it'll be too short in terms of him coming back. I think the enemy with a 9 and 8 season in Washington is able to go elsewhere. And then I think how maybe it's like, okay, we have him as security blanket, but we can still draft a guy in the first round. And I think

Harris and the new ownership group looks to make a splash head coaching-wise and quarterback-wise this year. So I think it'll be a pleasant season. The backdrop of the ownership change will be the thing you can remind yourself no matter what happens every Sunday. I think guys like Forbes, Cam Curl, players like that will continue to grow their national name and be really good building blocks. But at the end, they'll be looking for head coach and looking for still an upgraded quarterback, even though they feel pretty decent about somehow. Great job. Hope you're doing well. Beltway Football Pod with JP and Mitch at Pete Haley, NBCS. I appreciate it. We'll probably catch up soon down the road.

Would love to, and thanks for having me on as always. Good job by Pete. When we come back, you're going to hear something that Jacoby Brissette said today about competing with Sam Hal while also mentoring him. We'll get to that right after these words from a few of our sponsors. This final segment of the show is brought to you by Window Nation. Man, it is brutally hot out there today, and it's going to be that way for the next few days. We are in the midst of one of those DC heat waves in late July, and that heat and humidity, those temperatures are forcing your air conditioning into overdrive, leading to sky-high energy bills. The solution, new windows from my friends at Window Nation.

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As you kind of go between helping Sam along and then competing for the QB1 job yourself, who helped you when you were at Sam's spot and what do you take from what you learned when you were in his role to maybe try and help somebody else along the way? Who helped me? I would say like I think I've been very fortunate to be in a lot of good QB rooms to where you know, in every room we always helped each other. We always kind of competed against each other. My rookie year, I'm in a room with, you know, the greatest quarterback of all time and Tom and then Jimmy.

You know, that already, like, sparked, like, listen, you got to come out here and compete in everything that you do. Because not only does that make you better, it makes the team better, you know. So I just taking that from my rookie year to get me to where I am today is just that's been like a foundational thing that I've stood upon. So I think that's all the advice I can give him is just go out there and compete, try to do your best. And, you know, like, I want the job just as much as he does. So I mean, but at the same time, I want to help him as much as I can. And I want him to help me as much as he can because at the end of the day, it helps the team. And then, you know, and you kind of, you know, sacrifice the result for the process and just lay your head down at night and knowing that you put your best for forward.

So I wanted to play that answer because I wanted to. hear Jacoby Brissette talk about his position on this roster. Would he say, look, I'm competing for the job, or would he say, I'm here to mentor Sam Howe, or something in between? I think we got something in between. The question was presented in a way that assumed that Jacoby Brissette is here at $8 million a year to mentor Sam Howe, because he was asked by the person that asked the question to talk about the mentors he's had in his career and the takeaways from those relationships and how they would help him with a young quarterback like Sam Howl. When he said, I want the job as much as he does, but at the same time, I want to help him as

much as I can. And I want him to help me as much as he can because at the end of the day, it helps the team. I think we got somewhere in the middle. I think Jacoby Brissette is just a team guy through and through. I think that's one of the reasons he's here, because he will compete and he's good enough to help you if Sam Hal doesn't work out. But if he's not the starter, that quarterback room is going to be fine.

And yet I think of Jacoby Brissette, as having an opportunity. And, you know, there are several guys that would be cutthroat in this particular circumstance. But I guess that kind of personality wouldn't have been signed by the team to begin with. You know, they wanted and they labeled Sam Hal number one, and they wanted to bring in a guy that was capable, but also wasn't going to fall out of line if Sam Hal turns out to be the guy and is going to help. You know, it's interesting when he talked about the quarterback rooms that he's been in.

Man, has he been in some quarterback rooms? He started his career with Tom Brady and Jimmy Garoppolo during the deflategate season. He started two games in 2016. Garapolo started the first two games and then got hurt, and Brissette came in and started for the Patriots in the next two games. They beat Indy, they lost to Buffalo, and then Brady came back. Oh, by the way, they won the Super Bowl that year. That was the year they beat the Falcons after they were down by 25 at 28 to 3. Jacoby Brissette has a ring.

Then he was in a quarterback room with Andrew Luck. Then he was in a quarterback room with Philip Rivers. He's also been in a quarterback room with Tua and last year with Deshawn Watson. He's got a lot of experience. He's been in a lot of quarterback rooms. I mean, he is the senior guy in this quarterback room. You know, the year that Luck retired abruptly, he started that year. And let me look it up, actually.

I forget who was in that quarterback room with him. Brian Hoyer was. And Hoyer was a veteran quarterback. But Brissette was given the starting job that year. And then last year, remember, even though Deshawn Watson was on the roster, he couldn't play because he was suspended. But man, he's been on some teams with some heavyweight quarterbacks. What is he thinking about this quarterback room with Sam Hal and Jake Fromm?

And by the way, the perceived backup. And then, you know, when you see a guy like Gino Smith later in his career, catch fire, end up signing a big deal, and he's now the guy on a team that's got to chance to be pretty damn good this year. They went to the playoffs last year with Gino Smith. Now, I went and looked this up. Jacoby Brissette started a lot more games, and more recently he had started games before Gino Smith got the opportunity last year in Seattle. There was a one, two, three, four, five, six year period after the first two years with the Jets, where Gino Smith started two games, and then he started a few games at the end of Russell Wilson's

final season in Seattle. So Gino Smith, there was like this long period of time where we didn't have, nobody really had a body of work, a recent body of work, a recent resume for Gino Smith. And then he comes out of the woodwork last year. He throws 30 touchdowns to 11 picks, 4,282 yards, completes nearly 70,000. percent of his passes and Seattle goes to the postseason and he gets a big deal and, you know, they are one of the favorites to be a playoff team this year. And he did it at the age that Jacoby Brissette is now a year older. He was 32 last year and Brissette, I think, is 31. But you wonder,

like a guy like Jacoby Brissette. Now, maybe if he was a cutthroat competitor, Washington wouldn't have brought him in. But this is. he's coming off, you could debate, the best year of his career. He had the 13th best overall PFF grade of every starting quarterback in the league. You know, he started 11 games last year with Cleveland, 12 touchdown, six interceptions, 2,608 yards. But that team didn't go 4 and 7 with him as the starter because of him. They were giving up big numbers on defense. They lost the game in week two, all right, to the Jets in which Brissette threw for, you know,

was 22 of 27 for 229 yards and they had a 30 to 17 lead with two minutes to go. And Flacco got hot and they recovered an onside kick and they lost a game inexplicably, 31 to 30. They lost a game in which they gave up 30 to the Chargers, 30 to 28 in Cleveland. And like week 5 or 6, Berset was really good in that game as well. Now, he had a run game in Cleveland. Don't get me wrong. That defense gave up 38 to the Patriots, 39 to the Dolphins, 31 to the Bills.

I mean, he played well enough, and the offense played well enough for them to have had a better record, they've been better defensively. But, you know, just, I wanted to hear whether or not a guy is viewing this as an opportunity at 31 years old with maybe one of the better supporting casts he's ever had versus a guy that's okay with being the mentor and the backup. I don't know what I heard. I think I heard something in between. But he's been around, you know, he's been around for a while.

On the roster, by the way, there are only three players on offense and five players overall with more experience than him. On offense, Leno, Logan Thomas, and Cornelius Lucas are all older than Brissette. Tyler Larson has the same number of years in the league. I always liked Jacoby Brissette. I did. I loved him coming out of NC State. I thought he just looked like a pro quarterback. at NC State.

He was big. He was, he could make every throw. He was mobile. I think his mobility is actually a little bit underrated. Now it's not Sam Howl mobility. I understand that. But anyway, this first time we've heard from Jacoby Brissette on a question like that, I don't know, maybe he said something back in the spring when they signed him.

All right, that is it for the show today, back tomorrow with Tommy.