The Kevin Sheehan Show - A Name Later

Episode Date: February 4, 2025

Kevin and Thom with Thom's take on Josh Harris' statement on the name yesterday. The boys talked Commanders' stadium, Luka, "The Substance", and the latest O.J. doc on Netflix.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it. You don't need it. But you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Chean Show. Here's Kevin. Tommy is here. I am here. The show's presenting sponsors, as always, is Windonation.

Call them at 86690 Nation or head to WindowNation.com if you need new windows. Tommy and I were just talking before we got started. And we got started a little bit late today. And it's my fault. But Tommy was very patient. You are always very much at my beck and call, and I appreciate that. Thank you for being patient to that. That's nice.

That's a nice change of pace there. Well, it's not a change of pace. I thank you for things all the time. I had to record some interviews from down in New Orleans for tomorrow's radio show, and I kind of gave you an indication that we would get started at a time that I didn't make. So I appreciate your patience. There are many days in which you say, can we start at this time? And I'm at your beck and call.

So it works both ways. But today your patience was much appreciated. Did you have plans? Is it a beautiful day down there in Miramar Beach? Well, I've already gotten my morning swim out of the way. Seven straight days started the day swimming in the outdoor pool that overlooks the Gulf. No snow anymore. No, no more snow anymore.

It's just beautiful white sand, beautiful warm temperatures. I think the temperature is 67 or 68, but it feels like 78 with the sun beating down here. And I'm just waiting to go have my afternoon cigar, and you're keeping me from it. Well, I won't keep you that long today. It is beautiful here today. I would not know. I came in early and I have been in my studio all day long. Usually I'll try to get out and get like a quick walk in, but I have not been able to do that today.

Right before we started, by the way, Tommy said, you know, I was going through some of the things that we were going to talk about on the show today. And he said, you know, are we going to talk about Luca? And I said, well, I kind of did that yesterday. I had David Aldrich on the show, David was great. and you said, well, I haven't had a chance to talk about Luca. So I can't wait to hear what you have to say about the Luca trade. You know, you know what you're doing? You're making me look bad by making it seem like I'm going to have something smart to say about the Luca trade.

I mean, if anyone doing a show today or the last couple of days has pretty much had to talk about Luca. Right. I don't have any particular enlightenment, enlightenment. But if we were sitting down and doing a checklist of what we were going to talk about today, you know, I think Luca, the trade, since I have not talked about it yet, would be on the list. Just because you've bloviated about it probably for days, doesn't mean I can have a little two minutes to have something to say about it.

But here's the thing. I hope I'm not setting expectations super high for Tommy's, you know, Lukatake. But I said to you, oh, I can't wait because I know it's going to be about how this is not even close to the biggest trade of all time, because that's what people are calling it. And I can't wait to hear you talk about the Wilts Chamberlain trade and the Kareem Abdul-Jabbar trade and the Babe Ruth trade. I thought that that was going to be kind of your thing today about how everybody overreacted on the largesse of the Luca Anthony Davis trade. And it probably drove you nuts. What you've done here? You've given what I'm going to say about the Luca trade more thought than I have.

Well, then why did you bring it up that you wanted to talk about it? Because you said, what else are we going to talk about? and I'm trying to, you know, going through my checklist of things that I realized I had not been on. It's the Lucca trade. You know what? We don't have to talk about. Hold on. Hold on. What else is on your checklist?

I don't have anything else on my checklist. Oh, so you only have the Luca trade on your checklist. You don't even have a checklist. Of course not. You just sat around, waited for me to call, and you're like, all right, I'm ready to go. You haven't thought about it. The fact that you came up with Luca was. pretty amazing. First of all...

There you go. There you go, and you've punished me for it. I haven't punished you for it. I'm actually anticipating a really good Luca take from you, but now you've downplayed it, so now I'm wondering if we should just strike it from your checklist that you're writing cursive. Did you write your checklist in cursive today? Yes, I do. In fact, I've got it right in front of me. I mean, I'm looking at what I wrote on my pad here and my notepad that I always keep handy by my computer.

And yes, it's in cursive. And, you know, I've realized I've read a couple of stories about young researchers who have been going through archives and having a difficult time because they can't read cursive because they were not taught cursive. Right. My kids weren't. Yeah. So you've got this whole generation of kids that are growing up. And, you know, cursive, I never heard that word until much later in life.

When I was growing up, it was handwriting. That's what it was called. It was called cursive for me. It was called cursive for me. Yeah. Because handwriting was print, was printing, you know, how you write your letter. I know, I know. But when I grew up at St. Teresa's grade school on Claussen Avenue,

and Sterling Place in Brooklyn, New York, we were taught handwriting. And you know how I know with handwriting? Because how red your hands were from the nuns hitting you with a ruler. Oh, they were trying to teach you. Particularly for me, trying to teach me to hold a pencil. Oh, I've seen you hold. I've seen you hold a pen or pencil. Oh, my God, it's weird the way you do it.

I use four. The only finger I don't think I use is my thumb. Exactly. You got like your whole, well, first of all, your fingers are so short, so it almost looks like you're palming the pen or the pencil. And then somehow like the pencil appears and it's writing somehow. You got some odd things. The writing thing was always just kind of I'd watch you and I'd be like, oh my God, this dude. But the other thing is when you would take your phone and you still do it, when you're trying to read from your phone and you're,

You stick the phone right into your face. Now, look, you've got some eye issues, so I get that. So I hope. Do you want to know how I could treat it for those eyes issues? No, no, we've heard about the eye treatment, and we don't need to hear about it anymore. All right, so watch yourself. Watch yourself. Hey, by the way, both.

Don't push too far here. The weather, the weather is lovely here today. However, because I'm going to give everybody something that I haven't given them so far this winter. which is kind of a big storm alert looking ahead next week. First of all, there may be a bit of an ice storm here tomorrow night and Thursday. Might get a little more snow over the weekend, but the weather geeks are going crazy over some of the model runs this afternoon because they are showing potential for a massive monster snowstorm for the Mid-Atlantic next week.

Can I just tell you this real quickly because you know that I love these storms? I am sick of winter. This is probably an age thing now. I am jealous of you. I'm jealous of everybody. Like I've got friends of mine that are a lot of people are down in Del Rey right now. A lot of people in Florida all over the place. And it's just been miserable up here.

Today, apparently it's lovely. It's been miserable for about a month. and it looks like it's going to get miserable again for basically mid-feb through the end of the month. And I'm sick of it. So sick of it. Won't the snow cheer you up? When it's falling, I enjoy it. The storm and the action associated with the storm and following it, I enjoy that.

When it ends, I hate it. And I hate cold just without. snow. But then after it does snow, I want the snow gone and I want the cold gone. Tommy, until two, three days ago, two days ago, I mean, the snow was still piled up everywhere. I mean, major piles and parking lots. I still had it covering, you know, parts of like, you know, the entrance to one of the parking spots out in front of my house because it got piled up by one of the plows. And it was just impossible to move once it was like, you know, you know, um, uh, the entrance to one of the parking spots out in front of my house because it was like, you know, four feet high of plowed snow.

But now it's kind of gone. Yeah. Down here, the snow we had, and we had about four inches here in Miramar Beach, 10 inches, not too far inland. Right. I never did see a snow plow. Yeah. Yeah.

You never. I never actually saw a snow plow. Within 48 hours, there was no evidence of snow, save on the rooftops of some tall condos. stuff, there were still some snow. But that's just a bad dream down here right now. But don't you like the anticipation of whether or not it will snow? I mean, the whole thing that you get called two-step for is you and your nerd weather, buddy, talking about what's going to happen.

Yeah, I've already texted Doug Cammer. Oh, he just got back to me. Hold on. Let's just see what he says. Yeah, the Euro ensembles are bullish. mean is eight inches whoa uh and that's and it's been consistent that is similar to the january sixth storm yeah that was this by the way for all the cold weather that we've had we didn't have a lot of snow during that period except for the one storm on january sixth now

what he just texted me back is nobody there may be a few of you listening that know what he's talking about but when the mean or the average of kind of the ensembles for the The major models is that high, eight inches. That is a very strong indication of a potential big snowstorm next week. Now, these things disappear from the models when they're a week out. It's hard for the models to handle the long-range stuff. But the big ones, Tommy, 2016, 2009, 2010. Remember 2010 when we were in Florida for the Super Bowl?

And we had that winter is the all-time winter in D.C. 0-9, 010. You know, the national airport numbers forget about. In the suburbs, basically, over the course of that winter, we had nearly 80, 80, 80, 80 inches of snow. And we had the blizzard in December. And then we had the major blizzard, two of them actually, but the major one Super Bowl weekend in 2010. And all of those big ones have always. from the models, they've gotten kind of pegged early on, like a week out. So we'll see.

It may be nothing. But anyway. You know, people are so excited right now that they got some unexpected snow talk from Sheen today. Don't mock me. There are many people that would prefer me to give a weather, kind of a long range for snow, at least twice or three times a week on this program. So I don't do that. Well, you know what?

All you're doing is taking up time for me to talk about Lucas. I can't wait for it. We can create. Look, there is, there's no clock on a podcast. We don't have a commercial break. Well, we do have commercials. Yes, we do. All right.

Let's get to the name because I certainly want to hear what you have to say about it, because I have been bloviating for the last 24 hours after we got what we got from the owner, Josh Harris yesterday. Let me just start with this, though, Tommy. You and I have been doing this for a long time, and we get a lot of correspondence, whether it's social media or email. I promise you, and this is no exaggeration,

I can't remember getting more correspondence in a 24-hour period, like the last 24 hours. I mean, the number of emails, and I went through them because I just wanted to get a sense, people are spilling their guns, I mean, this is deep down emotional stuff that people are sending. I'm going to read a couple of them. But basically, you know, going page by page 50 at a time on my Gmail account,

a back of the envelope audit would indicate to me 85, 15, 90, 10 crushed, crushed that Josh Harris essentially shut the name. conversation down that they are going to stick with commanders. Overwhelming response. And some of you have gotten back to you. I won't be able to get back to everybody. But I picked out a couple. Let me read a couple, all right?

I'm not going to read all because it's 85, 15, 90, 10, basically, that sound like this one from Sam. Sam writes, Josh Harris made his first mistake yesterday since owning the team. I didn't have a problem with him not firing Reve. or Mayhew right after he bought the team. I didn't even have an issue with him initially keeping the chief blunder officer Jason Wright. I respected that he wasn't impulsive like Dan and that he was taking his time and he eventually came to the right decisions on everything until this.

He told us when he took over his managing partner, he would gather all the information on the name and do what the fans wanted. But he didn't do that. And he didn't even try to hide it. You pointed out something yesterday, Kevin, that was very important. He never mentioned that the name was being accepted by anybody, but players and coaches in the building. And then he writes, Who's the customer, damn it?

He never addressed us, and he misinterpreted what this past season could buy him. He bought the cheapest way out of the name issue off the back of Jaden Daniels. unforgivable. So I will tell you that, you know, not all of them were as kind of well thought out or as damning of Josh Harris in particular, but just damning of, or the disappointment of them not doing something with this.

Then I got this from, I got this from Kevin. No, let me read this from Patrick. This is a good one. Okay. Kevin, your petulant intransigence on the name change might be tolerable if you were a child unable to process change. He knows you, doesn't he?

Yeah, stop acting like one, please. It's insufferable. And stop telling others, smoot most recently, that they're wrong on this because their opinion differs from yours. It's a name, get over it, and enjoy the new team. That's a good one, Patrick. Stop telling others that their opinion differs from yours. That's exactly what your side has been doing on this.

The lecturing has got to stop. It's fine. I don't care at all. And that's not what I disagreed with Smoot over. You totally got it wrong. Smoot said, nobody cares about the name anymore. and I said, yeah, you're wrong on that. It's fine if you don't care about the name,

if you want this name, if you love this name and want to keep this name. But it's the people that are lecturing those that do care about it or saying really kind of detached stuff like nobody cares. Obviously, yesterday, if you paid attention to any of yesterday, you realize people care. But anyway. And then I got this from Jeffrey. You're going to love this one.

I blame the media for not fighting harder. You're part of that, Kevin. You guys always go where your bread is buttered, kissing up to the new guys in town. Disgusting. Yeah, it's our fault. I don't know. I got a couple of those. I did get a couple of those.

The media fell in love with, I got a couple of. You guys fell in love with this season too much, and that convinced the ownership that, you know, they could, you know, move on and they wouldn't have to go deep into this. Wow. Yeah. So warped. That is a bit warped. That is so warped. Yeah. By the way, we don't work for them anymore.

This podcast, the radio station that I work for, is not owned by anything related to the owner, like it was with Red Zebra. It wasn't owned by the team. Dan was, you know, the majority owner of an LLC that owned the radio station for many years. But anyway, yeah, a lot. I mean, an overwhelming number. I couldn't believe it was pages and pages of emails dated February 3rd or timestamped today. I mean, hundreds. It was as much of a reaction as I've gotten.

on anything that wasn't a game, and probably more so than a lot of games, since I started doing this 20 years ago. Okay. But anyway. So what did you think? Well, a few things. First of all, we should all take a step back and thank God that you had an owner who sat there and gave an intelligent, expansive.

postseason press conference. Okay. We should all be thankful that you have an owner who did something like that, okay, because we haven't seen that here before, okay, among the many things we hadn't seen before. Right. Josh Harris arrived. Dan did not do that, yeah.

No, you know, because one thing, for many reasons. But kudos to Josh Harris for sitting up there and doing it. And the second thing is the emails that you've received and the number of them and how passionate they are speaks to the segment of the population that cares a lot about the name. If somebody is passionate about the name, they're going to write an email. I don't think most people, most of the fan base, are passionate enough about the name to really care. I think that's the majority. I think that most people have settled in to the commanders,

and they don't love it. It's not like you didn't get many emails from people saying, the commander's name is good, let's keep it, right? Yeah, about 15% of it, I would guess. 10 to 15%. A small amount. And I guarantee you, I guarantee you that if these guys, if Josh Harrison company owned this football team on February,

1st, 2022, the name commanders would not have been announced on February 2nd, 2022. That would not have been the name. They don't like it either. But this is, as we've talked about with the stadium and this is something to keep your eye on, keeping it as commanders is particularly, and your one guy who wrote the email was right. this season gave them the cover to basically take the path of least resistance. It's just go to status quo, keep things as they are, because changing the name three times in five years is a pretty difficult challenge. Okay, it comes with a whole set of issues as a business.

Okay, even from a name that, you know, people aren't crazy about. No one's crazy about the commanders. Okay? I don't, and I'm sure for some, but Redskins offends them. But I think your emailer was right. I think they looked at this season as basically currency to say, okay, you know what?

Because if they were like six and 11 or five and 12, I'm not sure they would have had the same nerve to come out and say, okay, this is it. Like it or not, this is the name. Everything you just said, I said yesterday. I agree with everything you said. Now, except for one thing, but it's exactly what I said. 12 and 5, 2 playoff wins, 60 minutes away from the Super Bowl, you know, gave them this opportunity to take the path of least resistance

and feel comfortable that they could get away with. it because again one of the things Tommy I point out and I thought it was significant from his answers to the two questions John Kimes and then Stephen Wino's is he didn't say this is what the fans want he can't say that he just talked about it being important in that building which that might be stretching the truth too but whatever the one thing that you said though so there's you're a hundred percent right people who are angry or right or twin or, you know, walk into the grocery stores deli department with the half-eaten ham and say it's, and tell the deli manager that it sucked. I mean, that's, that was always my favorite when dealing with the supermarkets is the deli returns, you know, how people will come in with like a half-eaten turkey, not, you know, just one bite of a turkey, a half-eaten turkey, and they'll hand it to them and say, it sucks. I want my money back. People, people who are angry, typically write, you know, or review.

You know, when I talk about Wind Donation and I say 33,000 five-star reviews on Google, that's impressive because most people, when they're happy, don't tell the people that made them happy that they're happy. You know, but when people are angry, they're angry. So I get that part of it. With that said, there is no chance that there is anything that would be able to prove that anything other than a majority of people who have called themselves fans or call themselves fans right now care about this name issue right now. There's no settling back like it's okay.

Now, look, time heals, and once you get into free agency and other conversations will end up, you know, trumping this conversation. And actually, you know, in thinking about yesterday, one of the things I personally kind of appreciate is that even though it was a punch in the face, it was a punch in the face. We know where he stands now. You know, rather than all of the other times that he had the opportunity to say something about it and he pushed it off. You know, we're focused on winning. We're focused on the stadium. We're focused on engaging with the community. We're focused on Ashburn, the facility, the whole thing.

So on one level, I am kind of glad that we have resolution. And we do have resolution. I read some of the emails that said, I don't think it's over yet. I think it's still about the stadium, right? Oh, it's over. Yeah. That was a burial ceremony that took place yesterday. That's the way I heard it.

Now, he also, and I talked about this, and you didn't mention this part, He also put and extended, you know, a sort of olive branch with the rebrand part of the conversation, you know, bringing the past and honoring the past and bringing it back to the present and the future. And I think that that is about uniforms. Because as I've been saying, and you know I've been saying this for months now, that, you know, I felt more strongly about them doing something with things like the uniforms than even the name, even though I did think that they would eventually do something with the name. Look, 12 and 5, 2 playoff wins, 60 minutes away from a Super Bowl, with the most exciting season in the history of a quarterback,

who was a rookie, after three decades of nothing but failure, this gave them, the feeling that they could, you know, do something that is the path of least resistance because it's not easy. There's never been an easy solution to this. No. No. No. Yeah. But, but, so, yeah, that, I mean, basically, do you think he would have come out and said anything, or do you think they would have taken that position if they had had a poor season? I think that they would have I mean I believe I think the one thing that's pretty clear

after a lot of yesterday they I mean I actually had people even in our media say yeah they're not even they've not even talked about it they haven't even addressed it it's not even a topic like just the idea that someone that someone would fall for that because somebody told him is really incredibly naive this is been a big, big topic and a big, big issue. But the problem all along, and the reason he kept pushing it back, pushing it back, is there isn't an obvious solution. First of all, at the very

beginning, they couldn't do anything about it anyway. And there wasn't an obvious solution for this. And then once they hired out their general manager and head coach drafted the quarterback, you know, got the stadium into a condition where they could actually, you know, house 60,000 plus people without it falling down around them. You know, then it was, all right, well, what are our options here? I'd love to know how deep into options they got, you know, and what all of the information they have. Because I said yesterday, look, I don't have all the information, but from afar, I certainly recognize the challenge, because Redskins is the only obvious answer, and they can't go there.

And so, yeah. Okay. What do you think about what I said that if these guys had owned the team on February 1st, 2022, the name commanders would never have been announced? Oh, yeah. Well, I totally agree with that. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, I mean... This is not their name. No. And I think there's a small residue of people. You know, there's a bigger group of people that hate the fact that it's not Redskins. There's a smaller group that connect this still to the Snyder regime. I think they're counting on, you know, all those people, because I think they see not only see the benefits of basking in the glow of this season.

and I think they're right to do this, although there's no guarantees about anything. I think they see a future of waiting ahead of them. And I think at some point, you know, these holdouts are going to sit around and say, I want in on the fun, you know? They're going to, you know, I waited for this all my life, and now it's happening, and I'm going to sit here and divorce myself from all this fun because of a name. I think they're counting on at some point everybody wanting to be part of the party. I don't think they should count on that.

I think that they are counting on that some of those people will eventually one in on the party. And by the way, many of them were in on the party this year because it was so much fun to watch this team. But I think mostly they're counting on the development of a new fan base, you know, a fan base of younger people. with a lot of lifetime buying and spending power that is greater than, you know, people my age or a little bit younger or a little bit older or a lot older. And, you know, I've always considered that to be a possibility. I would love to talk to somebody in that organization about that because my experience, you know, teaching a business of sports media class and my exposure is it's really shaky to count on kids.

to support your product. Well, Tommy, they... I mean, that the viewing habits, the buying habits are so erratic. Well, you know what? That's a fair point. And maybe that accounts for the lower than expected numbers of what we thought we'd see. I mean, we didn't get a majority of sellouts

in one of the lowest-capacities stadiums in the league with the most exciting young team and the most exciting young quarterback. We had pretty low, actually stunningly low local television numbers for the regular season, 21st in the league. I mean, there are indications clearly that the missing part of the fan base, the two-thirds missing, didn't completely re-engage this year. Right. Okay, so, and trust me, they know that.

That's why I think part of it yesterday was, let's get it out there, but let's not make the mistake. of over-explanning or overreaching on this is what the fans want because they don't have proof of that. Now, they have other metrics, I'm sure, merchandise, and the ticket sales were greater than they thought they would be, and TV local... I'm sure their merchandise sales would indicate that if they could have, if they would have trotted it out. Yeah, but remember, the Jaden Daniels jersey number one there at the end of the season,

but he's become a national phenomenon as well. So, you know, it'd be interesting to see where all those sales are. Of course, a lot of them are from here. I'm not suggesting it's all from outside of the market. No, the majority of it would be from here. But one of the reasons it ended up being number one, and this happens with any great player, kind of a meteoric rise young player,

is people are buying that jersey all over the country. You know, people are into that player all over the country. And people got into this team outside of, this market. Look, I said this yesterday and somebody took me to task for, you know, trying to set something up here. But I was being actually very truthful and sincere when I said, I think, you know, there will be several tells on this as we go through the offseason, one of which will be they should sell out season tickets next year. Based on the season they just had. And the ticket increase from this year, even though they didn't sell out every game. They got close in a lot of

games to selling out. And then when you consider the capacity of the stadium is bottom three or four. Now, I know a bunch of you sent me this list from, I think it was BetMGM or something. It was not my bookie, but it was some site that listed capacities. I don't think it was accurate. There are other Washington's, I think, is in the 64 range. 63 or 64, which would put them in the bottom three or four. But anyway, somebody sent me, and a couple of people sent me something that said it was 67,000. If it actually was 67,000, I don't think they sold out a game this year, but I think they did announce a sellout or two this year. I'm pretty sure.

But I would think that one of the low-hanging fruit opportunities, if people have truly re-enged at the levels beyond, just the tent getting a lot bigger this year and us being in a much bigger bubble, they should be able to sell out season tickets next year. I think they should. I mean, you're going to be one of the favorites to go to the NFC championship game or go to the Super Bowl from the NFC with a quarterback that took the league by storm. You should be able to sell out a 64 or 65,000-seat stadium, I would think. Unless people are.

upset enough about the name. I know, but if their target is younger people who don't care about it, that may end up being an indication of what you said. Look, there's a lot of things that I'm interested in, too. I'd love to know what's going on behind closed doors as it relates to this with the people who have really been tasked with giving Josh Harris and Mitch Rails and ownership a real, like, this is what would happen if we changed it to say Washington Football Club. This is what it looks like financially modeled out if we stick with commanders.

But to your original point, at 6 and 11 or 7 and 10 or 5 and 12, without the excitement that we had this year, I think it's a completely different conversation. And I think at the very least, he doesn't say what he said yesterday. Because I think it would still be very much in play. He keeps putting it off if that's the case. Or they decide to do something with it unless it's just so cost prohibitive because there is that part too. And like you always say, and I always quote you on this, there is a point in which maybe they got to where, look, we don't think the juice is worth squeezing. We see that we would please the majority, but we'd also then create new people.

that hate what we go to. And oh, by the way, if we went with Washington Football Club without an actual plural nickname, our revenue potential with merchandise is less. That's what, you know, the experts tell us. Like, I think there's a lot of stuff there that I don't understand, and I don't know, that they clearly do know,

but I think intuitively six and 11, we're not having this conversation today. 12 and 5 with two playoff wins and a near Super Bowl trip. put them into position where even though the numbers probably aren't there in terms of them understanding they were going to piss a lot of people off yesterday, they were willing to take that risk because maybe one more season like this last one and they think a lot of those people will come on board. We'll see.

Yeah, I think they do. I think people, like I said, you know, people will be sitting there looking at the fun and saying, well, hell with the name. I want to be in on that too, you know, because it was a lot of fun this year. You know, I think if there's not a book in it, there is at least one hell of a research paper about the name of this football team.

Well, hell, the last five years. The research starts with, you know, what I described all those years, there's a Wharton or a Harvard business school case study on what Dan did to the team. Because that's really a lesson in what not to do when you take over a brand with that customer base and the level of passion that that customer base had. It's just there's so many, so many mistakes and lessons to be learned.

Look, I think that the excitement is going to get people back, but it's not going to get everybody back. I mean, there are... Look, there's some people who moved on from Dan Snyder. Before the name. And, yeah, no matter what they're called, they've checked out, some people

move to the team up north. Yeah, well, those people that, when apathy kind of became the primary emotion for the majority of the fan base, you know, people of a certain age, it's like,

they found other things to do and they're just, they're not coming back. But the people that were writing me and probably a lot of other people in town today, those people, you know, I don't know what they'll do. I think they're paying it to, like I described it earlier today, Tommy, and I don't think I've said this on the podcast. I lost a lot of my personal passion for the team, but I have a lot of professional passion for the team, because of what I do and it's important and it's fun following it.

I love football. I love talking about football. I love having a team that I'm immersed in with an audience that's also immersed in the same team and talking about it year round because that's what we do here. You know, the majority of this podcast is about this football team. But I don't, look, you're a lot. right. If it wasn't going to be Redskins

and back to the team that I rooted for, I don't know if I could ever get that level of personal passion back. And it faded even before the name because of the behavior and the performance.

But I, you know, the only thing, the uniform thing and the rebrand thing, like if they went back and the team looked like team on the field. It'd be better than what it is now. But I told everybody this last week, or after the divisional round, when they were posting the full-screen Kairns, NFC Championship, the Final Four, you know, 3 p.m. Fox, Eagles, commanders. I mean, it just, it really was something was missing for people like me looking at that. And again, those of you that don't understand,

it. It's okay. It's fine. Just don't lecture about, you know, then get out. You know, you get a lot of that from people who say, well, if you can't, you know, if you can't get on board with this name and if you're so stuck on the old name, just go root for somebody else. No, I can do both things. I can not feel great about the name and the news that we got yesterday from Josh. And I can still watch and enjoy the games that this team plays and talk about him. That's right. Nobody puts Kevin in a corner. I'm not in a corner, you know?

Baby ain't going in a corner. All right. What else on this? No, you want to take a break and maybe come back and talk about the stadium talk he talked about? I didn't really even pay attention to that. Because once it started, it was like, oh, God. God. What else is coming? By the way, that follow-up question by Stephen Wino from the Associated Press was necessary. I felt in that first answer that he gave to John that we learned a lot.

Like I, when he said, you know, in that building, the name is growing, you know, I was like, okay, that's it. But he really kind of danced around it. He didn't say what he, to John, what he said to Stephen Wino when Stephen asked him, is it safe to say that the name commanders is staying? And then he said, yeah, yes, yeah. It's been embraced by the team, by our culture, by our coaching staff. And so, and he just kind of stumbled and said, so we're going with that. By the way, you made one other statement, which I think is true.

They don't love it either. Most of the owners, especially those that have a longstanding feeling for the team or have been fans, they don't love that they're in this position. They would have loved to have bought the Redskins without all the controversy. All right. Do you want to talk about Luca and the stadium? We'll get to those things right after these words from a few of our sponsors. Hey, guys, a new sponsor for the podcast, and it's a game changer.

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They talked about how that is a natural favorite because of its location in the DMV as much as anything else. He also made a reference to the fact that he's hoping the momentum of this successful season will help push the stadium issue forward for them. And I might want to point out that Jack Kent Cook had three Super Bowls and a lot of winning in his pocket. and look where he wound up. Not everybody is a football fan. Okay. So I don't know how far I would count on a 12-and-five season carrying the day in the stadium thing. But if you tie this like I have to the name issue, going back to the beginning of the conversation,

what they did was I think their preference would be to have it named something other than commanders. Okay. But that's not what they chose. I think their preference is to have the stadium at the RFK site.

But again, the path of least resistance may be in Maryland. You know, so just because what they want to do, at some point, it may not make sense for them to move

forward, especially if they're sticking with the 2030 target date, and every year they push it back, you know, cost them money and cost overruns. Just look at what's happening with the stadium up in Buffalo. So I think the path of leaf resistance for the name is the path that they've taken. It's still possible, although I would certainly make RFK as the prohibitive favorite that they may travel the path of least resistance again for the stadium. You know, he was asked at one point, and this was the part of the stadium discussion that I thought was interesting,

he was asked about, you know, his involvement in getting D.C. to get the land, you know, calling Schumer, you know, calling Maryland, asking them to back off. Then we had, you know, the picture with Biden, with, you know, Harris and Mitch Rails and Mark I, and I forget who else was in that picture, Joe Biden and Muriel Bowser, like that was such a big deal. And he was asked, you know, how do you go back to Maryland and how do you keep them in play when you're so clearly sort of preferential towards D.C. or leaning towards D.C. And he said, look, that was just to get D.C. to the table. That makes a lot of sense. Like, it was in their best interest. I think it's because they want D.C. And as you said, it's their preference. Just like, you know, the name may not be their

preference either in what they end up with may be different than what their preferences. But the only way you can get D.C. And the only way you can get the best possible deal for yourself is to have more than one jurisdiction interested. So they got D.C. It does not count. Yeah, they got D.C. to the table by getting the RFK site bill, you know, passed with the help of Schumer and others at 2 a.m. you know, on that last day. of the last year's Congress.

I can tell you, the big dog was the one who carried the most weight in that lobbying in Congress. That's Roger Goodell. He was very instrumental in the lobbying effort, particularly on Schumer, about getting that RFK transfer bill pass. And it was Goodell who fawned over the district site at the Super Bowl yesterday. yesterday. He said, have the stadium with the monuments and the U.S. Capitol and its sightlines, quote, would be great for our nation. So he's elevated it to a national call for the stadium to be at the RFK site. I mean, what do you think? I mean, you weigh in on this all the time. You've been doing it for years. I'd be surprised if it doesn't wind up at RFK. But again, you know,

know, and Josh Harris made a point of separating what happens in Philadelphia during a press conference yesterday to what's happening in Washington. I don't necessarily buy that. I think that's I think there's lessons to be learned from what's happened in Philadelphia. And, you know, I don't have all the details as to why they bailed on the center city location and decided to go partners with Comcast on a new share arena with the 76ers, which I'm sure they've got a better offer than they had before, but part of their premise of having their own arena was not being a tenant. You know?

Right. I don't know how the ownership is going to go in a new arena and how much money is going to be spent there. But they went through a lot of turmoil for three years with that RF, with that site in Center City for the 76s Arena. and then after to get the city council's approval and bail on it, I'm just wondering how much the opposition to that arena took the wind out of their sales. I mean, it was the point where they had committed $60 million to community groups

who basically stood up and were, you know, were trying to hold these guys hostage, to get some money out of them for their group. and they wanted $100 million, and they were going to still pursue that. You know, and that's getting into a little bit serious money. A hundred million is what they're putting in to make the stadium they're playing now, you know, playable. So I'll be curious as to what kind of neighborhood opposition the RFK site generates, and even though it may be more sophisticated, it may not be as passionate as what he faced in Philly. they really faced a bat on.

I think it took a lot at it. Do you know what I'm doing right now? What? Yawning. Really? I just don't even care about this right now, the stadium. I'm just being honest. Like, it's in 2030.

I understand that we... No, no, no. What we're talking about is in the next 12 months. I understand. They've got to get a deal done with a jersey. And they've got to, you know, get it done in the next 12 months or it'll be 2031. But God, you know, other than wanting it at RFK because I want the city to benefit from the stadium. And I want, you know, I'm not going to be going to games, you know, all the time.

It's younger people. And my sons will have a blast with a stadium and having that area be, become something that Chinatown maybe became. That'll be great. But like right now, just tell us when you have a deal with a jurisdiction. The details of this are boring to me. So boring, especially after being able to talk about the football this year. What'd you say?

I feel totally opposite. I know you love this stuff. Yeah. Talking about this. Yeah. I know you... I like the government and the political part of it. I mean, that's what I did for 15 years. What's political right now before the city council has something to vote on?

It's a business negotiation right now between the team in Maryland and the team in D.C. And getting D.C. to a point where there's an acceptable deal, a comparable deal, maybe even not even as good of a deal as Maryland, but good enough. for the team to accept, and then it goes to the city council, and that's where the real drama will start. Don't you think, or am I wrong? Well, that's part of it, but when you have two political jurisdictions fighting over something like this, of course it's a political story. But it's a...

When you say they're fighting, they're competing against one another. We're not going to know what the deals are until they accept the deal, and we get a joint press conference, with Josh Harrison, Muriel Bowser, or maybe Wes Moore, and Josh Harris? But wouldn't you be curious if to what steps that have to come along the way? Like, the district needs to know how much land Josh Harris actually wants, you know, for his stadium. Do you know that, remember, part of the deal for the RFK transfer site is the city agreed to spend money on up national parks throughout the city. That was the Senator Mike Lee's proposal that got thrown in there.

Well, I learned how they come to that, whatever that formula is to come up with that money, whatever the value is of the land that the stadium will actually sit on. Whatever that value is, that's how much the city has to spend on upgrading national parks throughout the district. What's the land worth? I don't know. I could find that out.

If you're really interested, I could actually find that out. That's something that I could certainly find somebody, including somebody that I live with in my own home that I call my wife. If I knew the acreage, she could easily tell me what that land is worth. Well, my point is, to me, those are interesting steps that exist long before you get to a city council vote. Well, that's interesting to me. Like how much, so whatever that land is worth, the city has to spend on parks and other things around the city is what you're saying. That amount. Yes. That was that added a box proposal that might, Senator Mike Lee, true into the negotiations for the RFK transfer bill.

Okay. Well, I mean, I like that, but that puts more kind of complexity for on the city, more. more of a burden on the city? Yes. Yes, it does. All right. Okay. Again, pass of lease assistance. Right. Okay. What else is interesting about this right now?

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Kelly's back room, you know? It's like Shelly's has been, and they're not the only ones. There are a lot of organizations and groups that come from out of town. You know, when they're looking for nightlife to wind down after a day of conferences and discussions, they head for Shelly's. It's like if it was part of the Smithsonian, Shelly's would be the Smithsonian American Museum of Good Times. That's what they be called.

Right. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So don't be surprised if you come in to Shelley sometime, and there's a whole group of people from some kind of organization, some kind of important organization, that are winding down, having cigars, and want to talk to you because it's that kind of place. It's a warm, friendly place with people from out of town and people and local people as well. It's located at 1331 F Street Northwest in the district. You know, go ahead and light up a cigar, and you can find out more at shelley's backroom.com. Also, I want to mention that it is Super Bowl Sunday this coming Sunday.

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So that's a good thing. I would imagine that there's going to be a trade or two between now and the trade deadline on Thursday. You wanted to give your thoughts on Lucas, so go ahead. I've been waiting all show for it. I know. since you have diminished my thoughts by inflating the anticipation for it.

How's that possible? How's that possible? I don't know. You're... You're a magician. What can I say? Amoudini. Yes, you are.

You're Crescan. So actually, I just wanted to say that a trade that never happened, that was talked about once, that would have been the all-time trade of all time. the owner of the Boston Red Sox, Tom Yawke, and the owner of the Yankees, Dan Topping, were out to dinner one night. I think it was like before in 1949 season, and they got pretty southed up, and they made a deal between them to trade Ted Williams for Joe DiMaggio. Wow. I think I've read about that before. Maybe I read about it recently because of the Lukia,

but I think I've heard about this before, so tell me what happened. Well, what happened was they woke up to next morning, sober, and decided between themselves that it wasn't such a good idea, and that's where it died. Probably on a cocktail napkin somewhere at maybe the Coppa Cabana in New York or something like that. That would have been a monster trade. That's all I got about Luca, you know? That's like...

It's the NBA. It's the NBA. joke. The joke. It's a clown show. The thing you just described, though, is it just reminded me of, I think he was brilliant. I think you agree with me that you liked the Robert California season of the office, right? Oh, absolutely. I love James Spader. Spader was so hilarious. He was so good. But the episode where he comes in and he says, you know, he's absolutely hung over, can barely stand. And he said, you know, I got into a case of Australian Reds and Columbia Whites. And then he ended up closing down branches.

And he didn't, he never remembered closing the branches down. And then, you know, like the guys from Buffalo came, like all hell broke loose. But anyway. Yeah. All right. Luca. Well, I got one more thing for you. Yeah.

Besides, Luca. Yeah. Again, it's a clown show. I mean, I don't really care. Why? The NBA. Why is it? It's a joke.

It's still kind of... It's still kind of... It's still kind of interesting, though, that this trade doesn't make any sense to anybody that covers the sport, A, and B, nobody saw it coming. Like, it's one of the all-time shockers in terms of everybody waking up or everybody, everybody, about to go to bed and seeing it on their phone and thinking that it was fake news, thinking that Shams's Twitter account had been hacked. Like, it's still shocking to people. And, you know, I've been reading a lot more about just Luca.

I think Luca may have been a bit of a pain in the ass to deal with. Forget. Yeah, I think, I think Luca was a train wreck. Maybe. Brilliant on the court. Brilliant. Brilliant on the court, but a train wreck. You don't hear many teammates speaking out about the trade, do you?

I don't know if Kyrie has been quoted or not. Yeah, I mean, Don Chich had held his press conference. Anthony Davis said, you know, how thrilled he was with his time in L.A. and he's going to miss it, et cetera. But Luca was shocked completely. There's something, there's clearly something there. You just don't make that kind of trade. But anyway, it sounds like you don't have much more on Luca,

and it was just built up to something of my fault for letting everybody down. My fault, I built it up too much. Tommy's got to take on Luca, and it's my fault for everybody being disappointed with Tommy's Luca discussion. Okay, let me pick everybody up with this last thing. Okay, go ahead. I saw a movie the other night. It was nominated for Golden Globe.

It might have been nominated for Oscar. I don't know. I think it won one or the Golden Globes. It's a substance with Demi Moore. You heard of it? No. But I think I saw it pop up on... Would it have popped up on Netflix as a movie?

It might have. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Who else is in it? Oh, I don't know. There's nobody else besides Demi Moore. Okay.

But it's pretty wild. wild. It might be the most uncomfortable movie I've ever seen, but with a remarkable message and story to it that makes it worth watching. It won't be everybody's cup of tea, but I'd like to see you watch it and see what you think of it. What's it called substance or the substance? The substance. All right. I want to watch the Dylan movie. I haven't watched that yet. I did watch something, though, and I watched it in one sitting. This new, God, man, I couldn't believe it.

There's another O.J. Simpson. You're serious. Don't do it. It's four episodes. It was on Netflix, and my son watched it, and he said, no, this one's different. You've got to watch it. And I was gripped by it for, you know, four and a half, five hours or whatever. and it's, you know, it's a lot of the same stuff,

but it's really into the evidence, so deep into the evidence. And there's also some things that apparently are new, and I didn't know if they were new or not, but his agent, Mike Gilbert, who was his longtime agent, he's a big part of this. And, you know, they all, when OJ was, was, you know, when they read the verdict not guilty.

I mean, they had a massive party back at his house, all of his friends. They were all there with them. I mean, he did not lose his closest knit group of friends, not to mention all the new lawyer friends that he ended up having. But Mike Gilbert was his longtime agent. His kids called O.J., Uncle OJ. And there was a scene, you know, a while after the, the verdict, and they were at OJ's pool on Rockingham,

and they were forced to sell the house. They were moving out of the house at that point, and he just decided to ask him if he did it. And OJ's line to Mike Gilbert was, if she hadn't come to the door with a knife in her hand, nothing would have happened. And Mike Gilbert claims at that point, that was it. He got up left and has never talked to OJ.

since. I don't know if that's new or not. I don't think I had ever heard that. Doesn't matter anymore. OJ. died back in April. Yeah. Yeah. But there's just a lot on the evidence. And God, I mean, not that, you know, anybody needs convincing that he did it, but it's just unbelievable, the evidence. And, you know, Mark Furman basically killed the case. And gave Johnny Cochran, who was brilliant. The prosecutors. Prosecutors didn't help.

Well, Chris Darden with the glove and asking OJ to put the glove on with the latex glove on as well, you know, set up the opportunity. You know, if the glove don't fit, you must have quit. But it was really Furman and the tapes on Furman. And that presented the reasonable doubt that, you know, the LAPD could have tampered with evidence. and had, you know, a grudge in Furman's case against black people, and OJ in particular. By the way.

Yeah. I did see one thing. Have you seen Gladiator, too? Yeah. I told you I saw it. I thought I told you I saw it. I loved it. I saw it in a movie.

That's right. Yeah, we watched on TV. I loved it. It was good. I told you. I said, you're going to really like this day. You were right. How good is Paul Muscal in that movie?

Oh, yeah. He's excellent. It's fabulous. So good. I mean, it's hard to be, to have a good sequel. I know. of a great movie. Yeah.

But this one stands up. So I had a friend of mine tell me he loved it too based on my recommendation, but he said, I wish I had watched it in the theater. I have a feeling it would have been better in the theater. It was great in the theater. I've not watched it on TV. But the fact that you're saying that you loved it and you watched it on TV, because it is on Netflix right now, right?

I think it is. I believe so. It's on something, whatever. You don't even know anymore. But, yeah, no, Gladiator 2 is awesome. All right, anything else? That's all I got, boss. It's time for me to take my smoke and watch the sunset.

All right. Well, you've already had your swim, so get the smoke in the sunset and maybe take a picture and post it on social media. And I will talk to you on Thursday. All right, boss. Tomorrow, Howard Gutman is going to be on this show with me. I know a lot of you love Howard. He'll be the guest, and we'll talk about a lot of things.

probably Studio 54 and some of his sitcom show treatments. Isn't that what they call him, Tommy? Show treatments? Yes. That's what they say in the biz. Didn't you write a show treatment? No, I've written two movie scripts. Oh, scripts.

That are still waiting to be made. Anyone out there want to make a movie. I got the scripts for you, buddy. Talk to everybody tomorrow. See you, Tommy. See you, boss.