The Kevin Sheehan Show - A Prime-Time Schedule!

Episode Date: May 15, 2025

Kevin and Thom today opened with the Commanders' 2025 schedule loaded with prime-time and stand-alone games. Was Washington given an unfair "net rest day" schedule? What surprised the guys? How did they feel about two games with the Eagles over the final three weeks of the season? A full buffet of schedule-talk topics on the show today. The boys talked Caps, Pete Rose/Hall of Fame, and Thom has a condo confrontation brewing while Kevin has a challenge keeping his family from heading to Madrid for the Skins-Dolphins game in November.  Goldbelly.com, code sheehan, for free shipping and 20% off your first order of food from around the US.  Go To WindowNation.com. Buy 4 windows, get 4 free!Betting on sports? Go to mybookie.ag. Use code KEVINDC for a bonus!  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Some schedule talk. I bet you didn't guess we would do that to start the show. The official schedule is out in its entirety. Washington getting treated, Tommy, like it is. is a legitimate draw and even a legitimate Super Bowl contender. Five prime time games for Washington, three standalone games for Washington. It certainly looks daunting. Of course, you never know until you get there what these teams will look like.

But let's start with, I'll let you go first. What are your thoughts on the big schedule release? What a day yesterday was if you were following all of the reports and the leaks. We basically knew this schedule a couple of hours before it actually came out. Well, I remain in awe of the NFL as a force of media nature and what it's become, that the schedule announcement has become an event onto itself that's created a whole industry, led by yourself. No stop.

with your famous mock schedule? The mock schedule did well. I did actually pretty damn good on the mock. I got two exactly right. I got Detroit on exactly the right day at exactly the right time. November 9th at home 425. That's when they'll play the Lions. That's exactly when I mocked it.

I got Madrid exactly right. And then I was off by about a week on. two or three other games. I nailed several of their prime time games, not by the date, but I said Chicago, they'll play on Monday night football. They are. I said the Chiefs would be Sunday night. They're on Monday night. Seattle, I said, would be a Monday night game. They're on Sunday night. I guessed that they would be on Christmas Day. In my mock schedule, they're on Christmas Day. So it was a pretty, it was a banner year for the mock schedule. Yes, which means that you're, you know, you,

You've mentioned in the past that you may, like, put it aside and not do it anymore. I hope that talk is over with. Well, maybe I should try to retire on top. You know, getting too exactly right is pretty hard to do. And getting, you know, a lot of the other stuff within a week or nailing the prime time matchups. Yeah, I mean, maybe this is it for me. Maybe this is it for me. No.

No, I think you should expand your clairvoyant powers. I think you should start with the NBA schedule. Yeah, that would really draw a crowd, wouldn't it? Actually, maybe I'll just focus on breaking schedule news next year. You know, I'm just going to share this with you because, you know, I don't break news generally, nor do you. You're a columnist, and I am the sports radio sports podcast equivalent of just a columnist or an opinion person. but I actually had information that just landed in my lap yesterday morning. I wasn't out searching for it.

We have a lot of people that listen that are just interesting people in the business or in sports. We have a lot of interesting people that are fans of this show. And I, of course, did follow up in confirmations, but I had like three or four games. and I got confirmation immediately on the Dallas Christmas Day game, and I searched quickly to see if anybody else had it, and nobody else had it. And I was like, well, this is the one to get confirmation on because Dallas on Christmas Day on Netflix is a big deal.

And I had some of the other games. They turned out to all be right with the exception of one was just a little bit off. But maybe I'll focus on that next year. I'll create a Twitter account, schedule, leaks, which there are about 80 of those Twitter accounts right now. I wish you wouldn't give up the mock schedule, and I'm sure I'm not alone. I'm considering it. I think it's something that people look forward to.

I'm considering it. You know, actually, on some level, it's now gotten to the point where because there's so much interest, and now there are so many people working so hard to break news before the actual schedule release comes out. I mean, I think we had a pretty good sense of what 10, 11 of Washington's games were going to be before the actual schedule came out in full at 8 o'clock. A lot of teams had their schedules completely released and leaked, and they were accurate. The accuracy rate, I think, on the leaks and the information this year was much higher than normal. It makes last night at 8 o'clock and the actual full NFL schedule reveal, very anticlimactic.

And I don't know what the NFL can do about that. But I felt like, you know, by the time we got to 8 o'clock, it was not a big deal. We knew everything. We just needed to see that a lot of the information that was released was actually accurate. Look, I'm sure they don't care about the leaks. It generates so much excitement. Yes.

Absolutely. Yeah. So if people are fighting over trying to find out what your schedule is, you're doing something right. Yes. There is a big difference. Let's be candid about this, not just that the NFL trumps everything, but that the NFL, there's 17 games. No one's ever going to try to predict an 82 game NBA or NHL schedule or 162 game MLB schedule. first it would be too difficult. Second, there's just not enough interest in it. The NFL is a scheduled product. That's what makes this interesting. I saw our friend Andrew Brandt tweet out yesterday

that he just doesn't understand the excitement around the schedule release. And I like Andrew a lot, and I've had him on the show a lot of times. at the very least, this has become a league in which the fans travel more than they ever have before. Absolutely. And so road games and finding out when they are and being able to schedule well out in advance is important to NFL fans. They can't wait to see that. There's also just the general nature of, oh my God, here it is, all laid out.

This is what we're going to be doing on Thanksgiving Day. These are the games. I mean, it's, I don't know, the NFL just, it just rules. It's just, there's nothing even close to it. It really is. There's nothing. And look at all the games now that are not available to you in network television. I know.

Look at all the streets. I mean, imagine how much money, I bet you it's in the thousands of dollars that you would have to spend. to watch every NFL It is. It is. Yeah. Remember, there were a bunch of stories last year once Netflix became a part of it.

Yeah. It's triple that amount now, I bet you. You know? I mean, with the Christmas Day of all days to not give something away, you know? And let me ask you, you might not know this, maybe it's unfair to ask,

but it's something maybe we should explore. Does the rule that the local teams still have to broadcast over local networks for these pay-per-view games? So I know for Amazon and NFL network games in recent years that, you know, there was always a local option when the local teams were playing. I don't know the answer to that for Netflix. Last year was the first year of Netflix. Yeah.

So I don't know the answer to them. That always seems right, though. Yes, they always have made. any sort of pay extra to see the games only for the fans outside of the two markets that are playing? I mean, it's always been available, I mean, for years, you know, an ESPN game, Amazon games, NFL network games, always made available on local over-the-air broadcast TV. I don't know if that's the case with Netflix, Tommy. I honestly don't.

I would... Put your staff on that. I will. That's a really, really good question. On Christmas Day, for people that don't have Netflix, are they going to be able to watch Washington versus Dallas in the DMV and in what they call the DFW Metroplex? I mean, I don't know.

I have no idea. You know, bars and restaurants, they hate this. They hate the idea that, you know, that they have, now they have to have Netflix. You know, they have to have Amazon It ordered to satisfy your customers I know No, there's, I was, where was I? I was, um, I was somewhere last year

on a Thursday night Oh, I was, I was at, uh, what's from McCall? The Irish place right around the corner from Union Station. Why am I blinking on it? Um, the Dubliner. I was at the Dubliner waiting for my son to come into Union Station right around Christmas time. He asked me to come down and pick him up,

And I said, I got a better idea. Why don't you walk out of the train station and walk to the doublet her and we'll grab dinner and a few beers. So I walked in there in the Thursday night game, Amazon game, it wasn't on. And it should have kicked off already. And I said to the guy, you know, do you have it? And he said, I assume that they didn't have it because it wasn't on. And I said, do you know that there's, is there a game? There's a game on Amazon.

Do you guys have that? He said, oh, my God, of course we do. My fault. And he put it up there. But for a moment, I thought, I can't believe I'm at a place like this and the game's not on. But, you know, not every bar is paying for Amazon or Netflix. Netflix, you only have to worry about Christmas Day, but... Right.

But, I mean, Christmas Day now, you know, who knows what the future will hold. Right. Yeah. I mean, we've been saying that for years, but to your point, they have certainly more than dipped their toes. into, you know, essentially pay-per-view. But to assume that the whole league is eventually going to be, you have to pay for all the games, I don't see that in my lifetime, should I?

I mean... I don't think so. Like, people have talked with they never put the Super Bowl on pay-per-view. I don't see that. Right. I mean, because of the massive, you know, network numbers that they get, you know, it's... and the massive income that they get from the ads for those numbers.

No, I don't think the Super Bowl will be pay-per-view in our lifetime. Well, my lifetime isn't quite going to be as long as yours, maybe, so I don't know about that. I'm knocking on wood, as I say that, but you never know. Let's wish good health for each other for a long period of time, because you know what, if the league goes entirely to pay for watch, hope you and I are still doing this podcast together so we can talk about it. All right, let's look at Washington's schedule. So a couple of things for me.

Number one is, and I noticed this pretty quickly because I looked at the first several games of the season, and I'm like, wow, Washington is going to be at a disadvantage when the net rest day study comes out. I think Warren Sharp does it every year. but it's one of the more impactful schedule takeaways every year, Tommy. It's always, look, these schedules, you never know. I've been saying that for years, and by the way, I think it's held up almost every year. You're never quite sure.

It's not who you play, it's when you play them. And we don't know what those teams will look like. Now, you look at the schedule overall and you say, they're playing much better teams on paper and much better quarterbacks on paper. You know, you get, as an example, Jordan Love, Justin Herbert, you get, you didn't face Dak Prescott even once last year. Maybe you get Dak twice. You get Mahomes. You get Jared Goff in the Detroit offense. You get, you know, we don't know what the Miami offense will look like, but it's certainly been capable in recent years. You got a, you got Hertz twice. You

got Dak twice. So it's different from that standpoint. But the net rest days number has been huge in recent years. Teams with negative net rest days have done worse than teams with positive net rest days. What does that mean? Netting it out the net rest day advantage or disadvantage. It's how many days you have to prepare for your opponent versus what your opponent has to prepare for you. In most cases, both teams played on a Sunday and then they play the next Sunday. There's no there's no, no rest day advantage there. But if one team plays on a Monday night and the other one played on a Sunday, there's a net rest gain of a day, right?

If one team plays on a Sunday and another team has a buy week, there is a negative seven-day rest advantage. And we have seen that that may be the biggest takeaway from these schedules in the placement of these games is how many days do you get? get to rest before your next game versus your opponent. And you play that out over 17 games, and we've seen that in recent years. Negative rest days equals typically worse seasons. Positive rest days equals much better seasons.

Well, Washington, listen to this. I don't have the exact number for the entire season. I'm going to wait for somebody that's got the time to put into the entirety of the schedule. I mean, I could do it for just Washington, but then I won't be able to compare it to the rest of the league. Warren Sharp, I'm sure we'll have that out at some point in the next few days or a few weeks. But Washington, right now, with their schedule, they're going to face four teams coming off a bye week. They're going to play the Bears on Monday night football week six. Now, Washington will have that extra day to prepare for it, but the Bears.

don't have a game the previous week. They play the Seahawks in week nine on Sunday night football. The Seahawks have a buy the previous week. Now they play the Broncos in week 12. They play the Broncos. The Broncos have a buy week, but so does Washington. They each share the same buy week, so they won't have a negative rest day advantage there. But then the Giants in week 15 on the road, they'll play the Giants.

and the Giants are coming off a bye week. That right there tells me more likely than not, Washington's going to have one of the worst net rest day numbers in the league. And that has been a factor in recent years. Maybe it won't be this year. But you can see why that would be a factor. Rest is everything in the NFL. In fact, it's more important typically than travel.

And Washington only has one significant travel game, and that's out to Los Angeles to face the chargers in week five, coming off a road game the week before against Atlanta. That is the longest trip they make. They play Kansas City and Dallas on the road as well, but they don't have multiple trips out west. but four teams coming off a by week, three of those in which Washington's not coming off a by week. Not to mention, too, I believe Washington plays early in the season a, I think coming off Chicago on Monday night football, they play Dallas the next week, and Dallas has a one-day advantage because they played on the previous Sunday. So that's something to consider with the schedule. and when the actual whole study

compared to the rest of the league comes out, I'll certainly be here to talk about it. Other than that, for me, there are a couple of things. Number one, playing Philadelphia twice over the last three weeks of the season is, I would have never predicted that in my mock for this reason, Tommy. Matching up Philly in the final week of the season brings risk to the network that ends up televising that game.

because many times we see in week 18, one of, in some cases, both teams have nothing to play for. You know, they've clinched the playoff spot, they've clinched their seating, or they're out of it, whatever it is. I would have thought that they would have wanted both Philadelphia games to be no risk, massive matchups coming off last year's NFC championship and three-game series. Instead, they went with the first game in week 16 on a Saturday. We talked about that the other day, up against college football's first round, by the way. And then, you know, two weeks later on the closing Sunday, by the way, that could be a Saturday night game too. They'll play them in Philadelphia to close the season. I just thought that one of those games would be in October or November in a primetime matchup.

You know, neither one of the two Philadelphia games right now is prime time. That week 18 game could get flexed. but I would have thought for sure Washington, Philly would have been a standalone prime time game once out of the two meetings. And it's not. I mean, it's a standalone on that Saturday, December 20th. But that was weird to me. Other than that, there's a stretch where they play chargers, bears at home in the rematch of the Hail Mary game, on the road against the Cowboys, on the road against the Chiefs. They come home against Seattle and also play Detroit the following week before going to Madrid.

That seems like the toughest stretch. But I do like their start. Like on paper, Giants at Green Bay, but then Vegas and Atlanta, the first four games with three of them at 1 o'clock, they'll be, you know, significant favorites more likely than not at this point in three of those four games. So a 3-1 or a 4-0 start is possible before they have to go face the Chargers on the road in week 5. You know, I've done my schedule projection. Of course you have. Games that they'll win and games that they lose.

Yeah. You know, it's funny. Says the man who made an industry of the mock schedule, and you deride my notion of actually picking the results of these games. It's sick and twisted. I know. It really is. Okay.

I have them three and one to open the season. Yeah. Well, with their only loss at Green Bay on Thursday night. You want to go through the rest of it? I'd love to hear it. Yes. Yes. Okay.

Okay. So there's three and one in the first four weeks. I have them losing going out west to face the Chargers. Three and two. Okay. I have them beating the Bears. Four and two. I have them losing Kansas City.

Well, did you have them beating Dallas? Oh, no. I have them losing the Dallas. All right, that's four and three. Losing the Kansas City. Four and four. Trouble. And then beating Seattle, Detroit, Miami.

With us in Madrid. Seven and four going into their by week. And then Denver. Eight and four. Right. Losing at Minnesota. Eight and five. Beating the Giants again.

9 and 5. Beating Philadelphia. 10 and 5. Beating the Cowboys. 11 and 5. Losing the last game of Philly. 11 and 6. Yes.

I mean, you'll get a chance to, you know, revisit this when we get to our season predictions, you know, in that week after Labor Day. But that's 11 and 6. I mean, in all seriousness, I just can't see this team, as long as Jaden Daniels is healthy. I just can't see this team being anything other than a good team. I'm concerned about them defensively. I don't see them taking a massive step back. I just don't see that.

I think they will be better on offense. Forget the additions of Tonsal and Samuel. Just year two in the Kingsbury system, year two for Jaden Daniel. I'm not a big buyer into the sophomore slump thing. I think he'll be smarter, better, more experienced, more comfortable. It's be hard for him to be any better or more comfortable than he was last year. But I see them being an offensive juggernaut again in the upcoming season. The big question mark going into the season is what's the defense going to be?

And when you look at what they may have to face, you know, again, the quarterbacks that they'll have to face, the offensive football teams they'll have to face. Nothing like last year. When you had, you know, the New York quarterbacks, you had Dallas's backups, you had, you know, basically, you know, Deshawn Watson, who was disinterested. You had Andy Dalton in Carolina. You had a young Caleb Williams. You had Russell Wilson.

You had the Tennessee situation, the New Orleans situation. I mean, their schedule really broke perfectly for them last year. in terms of the teams they got to face. Now, they face some really good running teams and some good running backs, and that's where they really got hurt. This year, the challenge will actually be running backs for sure, because you still get Barclay twice. You get Jemir Gibbs.

You get Bejohn Robinson again. You get Josh Jacobs in week two. You're going to get the rookie Ashton Genty in week three. But the Seattle running back situation, which is a really good one. but to me it's you're going to have to face Jordan Love, Justin Herbert, Dak Prescott twice, Patrick Mahomes, Gough, you know, you get some,

if they're upright and healthy and those teams are what they were at least last year offensively, the defense is the biggest question mark. You could be a better team offensively. You could be the same team defensively and still be a really good team and end up with what you said, 11 and 6, one game less than last year, but you may not be good enough to overtake

Philly or maybe even Detroit or the Rams or we'll see what the 49ers look like. But to me, it's all about the defense this year because I am confident that if Jaden Daniels is healthy for 17, Washington should be an offensive, you know, upper tier to borderline elite team in 2025. I would agree. Did you want me to give you my record right now? Did you pay for you? I honestly think this is a 10-and-7, between a 10-and-7 and 12-and-5 football team again.

I can't see less than 10 wins. Yeah, on average, that would be 11 and 6. Average minds think alike. All right. Schedule in the books. You know, there are a couple of things about the NFL schedule that stood out. Detroit's going to play seven games outdoors. away from home. They've got a brutal, brutal schedule, at least on paper. I mentioned the Minnesota

thing, which we knew, Minnesota getting two international games, which means two road games that they don't have to play in true road environments. People have pushed back saying it's terrible to have to be over in Europe for two straight weeks, really? I guess maybe for a football team it is, but they don't have to go to Pittsburgh and they don't have to go to Cleveland. I thought it was interesting that Pittsburgh, they got on their schedule the jets on the road to open up with, and they have a game against the Packers in prime time. I think the schedule makers assume Aaron Rogers will eventually sign in Pittsburgh and be there. Philly's schedule, you know, how about this? They start with the Cowboys on Thursday night at Arrowhead Week 2 in the Super Bowl rematch. Week three, the Rams at home and a playoff rematch.

At Tampa, week four. That is a stretch to open up the season. The Giants, how about the Giants to start? They have to go to Washington, then to Dallas, and then they get home games against the Chiefs and the Chargers. There was a lot. The Thanksgiving Day lineup to put the Cowboys in the, the Chiefs. That has a chance if you get there and the Chiefs are the Chiefs and the Cowboys

are at least, you know, somewhat decent. That has a chance to be an all-time watched football game on Thanksgiving. I think they're counting on it. And you also get Thanksgiving games in general. I mean, Green Bay, Detroit, Kansas City, Dallas, Cincinnati, Baltimore at night. Interestingly, the Ravens, Tommy, the Ravens only got four primetime games. Now they've got some standalone games, but they only have four primetime games. I thought that was interesting. They kept them, my guy Mike North said, we may give, you know, considering how much Baltimore's played on Thanksgiving and Christmas in recent years, we look for them maybe to get a break on the holidays.

No, they put the Ravens on Thanksgiving night. All right. What else on the schedule? think we've wrapped it up. Did we wrap it up? There's probably more to come at some point. Yeah. The Giants, week one, I yesterday gave out the week one opening line at Washington minus eight and a half. It's Washington minus seven, so I was a bit off on that. Just the idea that I'm thinking, God, minus seven, the skins are favored by seven, and it seems a little bit short. we're living in a completely different world than the one we used to live in. We certainly are.

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helpful when you do that. Five stars if you see fit, that gives us a big boost. And then a one to two sentence review, which is what we got from this review who is not named. He did not sign his name to this. So he writes, Hey Kevin, love the show, five stars. But I have a question. Why can't Tom do a solo show when you're on vacation?

I think we, the fans, would love to hear Tom Cook on any topic. And let's be honest, we all know who the star of the show is. God. Go skins. You know, I've got some days off. off coming up. I've told you about that. The end of this month and the first part of next month, you know, I was going to do a podcast on some of those days, but would you like to do a solo show and really cook, you know, by yourself one day? That's too much heavy lifting. You can do it.

You know that. What if I gave you a little help in just, you know, setting everything up? So all you have to do is just talk for an hour and 10 minutes. Do I have to come down to the studio? You don't have to, no, but then I'd have to have somebody in here to kind of connect you to the studio. Well, we could figure it out. We could figure it out. I love the idea.

You know, I don't, with this podcast, there aren't many days out of the Monday through Friday 52-week calendar that I end up taking off, because even when I, I've traveled. Sometimes I can do a show when I am on the road, or I'll pre-record a couple of shows. And so the number of days without a show is, I don't know, maybe a week to maybe five to ten days out of the year. Maybe more than that, actually, because there are occasional weeks that I'll take a day off. I'd love for you to fill in. I would love for you to fill in on some of those days. Keeps the continuity of the show going? I didn't quite expect that.

I thought everybody knew their place in this relationship. You know, let's mix it up a little bit. Let's go for something new. Did you, I was trying to think, when I took days off of radio when we were co-hosting together, the Sports Fix, on ESPN 980 or the team 980, I forget, did you do shows by yourself or did they have somebody coming and sit with you?

They usually had somebody with me, but there were a couple of times. There were maybe about a dozen times where I did a show. And I did one time, I did a four-hour show by myself from the bullpen. Oh, yeah, we remember we had that studio set up down there? Yeah, I did. But I wasn't working then. So we were doing it at like a picnic table. And I don't know if it was like a 10 to 2 thing.

you know, because Tony was off. I think it probably was. That's usually when we did four hours. Right. When Tony was off. So I did like a 10 to 2 one by myself outside, you know. And I did a number. Like there were a couple of when I was working part-time,

I hosted some four-hour shows by myself from 6 to 10 at night. Right. But most of the time when you were off, somebody else sat in with me. Plus, we had Mark. Stern as a producer, was easy to have on the mic. So easy, yeah.

Exactly. Yes. Well, I think a lot of times it was Mark. It's a good suggestion. I actually love the idea. Because the truth is, if we don't do a show, you don't get paid.

It's true. You know, basically every show is, you know, it's not like I'm getting a salary to do this. But yeah, I think that's something, I don't know why I haven't thought of that before, because, you know, I did have Tim Murray do a couple of shows, and I've had Tim and Aaron even do some shows while I've been out. But good suggestion. Appreciate that. Rate us and review us on Apple and Spotify.

Follow us on Apple and Spotify as well. Something that I noticed when I was going to. through before the show this morning, and we're recording the show in the morning, because Tommy is apparently heading to the Caps game tonight. I got connected to sort of the updated podcast chart rankings, and I noticed something. We're typically, you know, we do very well in the U.S. And I've mentioned some of the other markets that we do well in, but how about this one? This one just stood out like a sore thumb.

were the number seven football podcast in Saudi Arabia. But here's the best part of it. We're the second podcast listed that is an American football show. Because all of the shows before that are soccer shows. And many of them are Arabic written, so I can't even tell you what the names of the shows are. They're like five Arabic titles to shows. And then there is, it looks like a British soccer show, maybe an Australian soccer show.

And then there is, pardon my take, barstool sports, which is, you know, day in, day out, week in, week out, the number one sports podcast in the country. And then the Kevin Sheehan Show podcast at number seven. Pardon my take is at number five, and then we're at seven. But everything surrounding it is all soccer until you get to an Arizona Cardinals podcast. So there you go. Actually, out of pocket with RG3 is the 24th ranked football podcast in Saudi Arabia. That's RG3's podcast, I guess. and so he's on the top 50 Saudi Arabia list as well.

How about that? We're doing well in the Middle East, my friend. Well, when the NFL plays a game there, which I think eventually they probably will, we should be superstars by then in Saudi Arabia. I don't know about that. I think this probably is more of an indication of like maybe a base and some American Redskin fans listening to us.

And by the way, it may only be a handful of them. But anyway, thank you Saudi Arabia for your support. We appreciate that. I have a quick story to tell you before we get into some of the sports topics here in this segment of the show. So the Madrid thing seems to be exciting a lot of people, including my family.

my wife put out a group family text to everybody who wants to go to Madrid to see the skins play in November to which I immediately said to her yeah that's not happening if I go I'm going to work and if I go I'm going there for maybe a bit of a break from everybody else

and she's like well it would be such a great week and you and of course you know it's always and you'll get us tickets oh yeah uh that's right i'll just i'll just get us tickets for everybody and and and basically the the the group text went out to let's see went to out to about five or six different people sons girlfriend uh me her yeah Can you imagine with the cost of bringing all of us over hotel? Have you looked at the hotel prices for that week? They know we're coming.

Oh, yeah. Everything is jacked up. I mean, it's expensive there anyway. But everything is jacked up for that week because they know it's going to be filled with NFL football fans. In from America. So are you taking Liz with you or any family members with you to Madrid? Well, you know, sometimes you're blessed with a spouse. Well, I'm just blessed to be married because I said anybody who would marry me.

You know, why did we marry a wife? Because they would marry us. She has already volunteered that she doesn't think she'd want to go. I just assumed that she would want to go, but she knows. She's been on enough of these before that she knows, like, spring training and stuff, that I'll be working. Well, that's what I, you know. Yeah, that's what I explained.

I'm like. And when I'm not on the air, I'll still be working of sorts of, I'll have to write from there, you know? So, I mean, it's not, it won't be like a vacation couple, you know, walking around. She, look, she has lots

of relatives there. You know, she could hang out with, but she'd be on her own doing that, pretty much. So she has already

volunteered without me saying anything as to, that she doesn't want to go. So I'm off the hook. Yeah. I'm going to have to find out sooner rather than later

because I'm going to have to book some stuff here whether or not I can do the radio show there. That's going to be the key for me. because technically via my contract, I wouldn't really be able to just take the week off in the middle of football season leading into a game against the dolphins in Madrid. I would assume there is a way to do the radio show with their...

Well, there is. It's whether or not it's blessed by the company and even, you know, whatever the expense is absorbed. the company. So I'll have to figure that part out. But no, look, I, um, this isn't, I said, this isn't a family vacation. By the way, for my wife to be interested to go anywhere with a sporting event, uh, event actually driving, uh, the, uh, activity is a first all time. I mean, she didn't, the first answer was, why, why would they play a game in Madrid? And I said, well, there's, I had to explain about the international games. And don't you know, you know, don't you remember sometimes, you know, I'm up watching NFL

football at 930 in the morning on Sunday. She's like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Those are international games. They've been doing it now for about 25 years. And Washington is playing in Madrid. And she's like, well, it's one of our favorite cities. So we're going to go. Oh, but we're not.

Because here's what, you know what? I did the back of the envelope math on it. You're talking about 50K when all is said and done if I were to tote everybody there. Wow. Seriously, when all is said and done, I'm like, you're out of your mind. That's not happening. It's just not happening. When it's not really going to be a vacation for you.

Exactly. By the way, I think we'll have a blast in the way we have always had a blast when we go away to do things. and it's not just us, but it's other media friends of ours and we hang out. And by the way, I haven't done one of those in a long time, in a long time. So I would look forward to that. But you know, and I know, it'll be a, it will work. We'll be working. Yeah.

Now, you can't, you got to, you should be working on simultaneously with the radio station. you should be working on getting a sponsor for the podcast while we're there. Yeah, no. That's the cost. Yeah, I mean, we don't need to talk about that right now. Okay. I'll be handling all that. Thank you.

So, in other words, in other words, I'm good enough to sit in the big man's chair when he's gone, but I'm not good enough to talk business with. Well, of course you're good enough to talk business with, but we just don't want to do it on the podcast right now. That's all. Okay. I wasn't going to go into detail. I mean, you're not providing a rate sheet.

The other thing that just cracks me up, and I know we've talked about this before, and it's not anybody out there's fault, okay? I'm not, there are some of you that are going to say, oh, yeah, you know what? Don't go Russell on me here. I'm not going Russell. You mean Chris Russell?

No, no. Yeah. It's just the idea that because we work in, sports media that were Stubhub, also. Oh, yeah. Do you know how many requests I got for those playoff games in January? Each week.

Kev, I'm down here in South Florida. We're down here spending a long weekend. Any chance you can just hook me up with two, three, if you could, you know, if you can get it done for the game against the Buccaneers. You know, Kev, I'd love to go to Detroit. And then the Philly game?

Oh my God. No less than a dozen requests from people. I'm not going to name anybody. Hey, man, I just need two. Any way you can get me to? Yeah, let me work on it. Where do you want to sit 50-yard line? You want to sit in a suite.

Tell me where you want to sit. And how many do you need? You know, whatever you need. It is, I guess there. There's a reason why they think that there's like a hookup. And all of those years when we were a part of Red Zebra, which Snyder owned, there was the ability occasionally to get access to tickets. Yes, there was.

But those days are gone. Yeah, and those tickets were always earmarked first and foremost for clients of the radio station. That's why the station had the tickets. It was to give to revenue generating, business clients. And, you know, it would be if they had a couple of extra that weren't used, that they would then offer them up to everybody else. But I mean, yeah, my wife said, well, you can just get us tickets. Yeah, how many of us are six, seven? No problem. That ticket will be an expensive ticket. Really expensive.

Oh, it absolutely will. It absolutely will be. All right. We're going. I want to go so much. I've already looked in, I'm just telling you, it's just, it looks like everything's jacked up double. I mean, you know, depending on what your accommodations, you know, request is. You're going to stay somewhere for free, I understand that. Yes.

All right. What, uh, any, you said that you had something before we got into the caps. Okay. I'm involved in a dispute, a clandestine dispute of sorts in my condo unit. We have a three-story condo unit here. I mean, three-story condo building. There's 12 units in the building. You know, it's a locked-door situation.

You've got to use a key to get into the first floor, which is there's a foyer, like a hallway. And in the hallway are the mailboxes. And there's a table, a nice table, on the hallway. Okay? So when some packages come from time to time, whoever, I don't know who does it, but if it's a postman or the Amazon people, but they put them on the floor of the hallway.

And me, I like to, you know, it means it makes it just a little bit more difficult to see who it's for. so when I see packages for anyone on the floor, I put them on the table. So it'd be easier for people to read, easier to see. You know, it just makes sense. Yeah. We're not talking to huge cartons. We're talking small packages.

Yep. Okay. So somebody, it turns out, keeps taking the packages off the table and putting them back on the floor. Okay. And then I'm taking the packages off the floor when I walk by and putting them on the table. Right. And we've been doing this on and off for a while. So the other day, there was a note taped to the wall by the table that said,

please don't put packages on the table. No one signed it. No one has, you know, owned up to this thing. So naturally, I tore it off the wall. Okay. And I kept putting packages on the table. A couple days later, there's a new sign that says, please don't put packages on underlined my table.

Now, I don't know who this is. I suspect who this is. We have a Karen type in the building. How old is this Karen type? Oh, she's probably in her 60s. And, you know, I doubt, I really doubt that it's her table because all the condo units in our complex also have tables in their first floor hallway. So I find it difficult to believe that this is her table, okay, or his table. But even if it is, it's in my hallway.

Okay, if you don't want me to put packages on your table, get it out of my hallway. So do you think she put the table there for decorative purposes to make the entrance area look nicer? Is it a nice table? It's a nice table. But again, like I said, there's one in every condo building in the complex. Well, maybe somebody who is a resident in each one of those buildings has decided to donate a table. table. That's probably not true. That's probably not true.

And here's the thing. It doesn't matter. It makes sense to put these packages on the table. These are small packages. I have a good idea for you. It makes it easier for everybody except the person who's offended by this. I think you should buy one of those, you know, cheap-o card tables and put it right next her table. Oh my God.

And then put the packages on that table. Unbelievable. What? You know, because, well, because my son said I should put one of those TV snack tables. Yes. Next to the table with a note that says, you're allowed to put packages on my table. Yes. I think you should do that.

Let's get some action going in this place. If you know who she is, do you think she, do you think she, do you think she's, She knows who you are. I think so. Do you ever pass her? Very rarely. Is there a community event coming up? Is there a condo, you know, 12 unit, you know, get together coming up?

No, we don't socialize. It's not that kind of condo unit. We don't socialize. Look. But, I mean, look, I can easily create an aura about my. myself as I pass by, that tells you, don't talk to me. Okay? So I'm sure she's picked up on that.

Why do you take pride in that kind of an aura? I mean... People, because people who are offended by it are exactly the kind of people I don't want to talk to. It's not that... First of all, when I walk by somebody who just, you know, has that... scowl and that growl going like, I don't want to talk to anybody. You know, it's just like, get a life. Like, you know, relax a little bit.

I don't mess with anybody because I don't care. But I just, the impression that people have of you, I know you don't really care, although sometimes I think you actually care a lot. But what's wrong with being, hi, nice to see you. I hope you're having a good day. take care do you have to ride elevators with people no very rarely I mean again there's only 12 units in the building

you know and there's four units per floor so it's not like it it's a big building and there's an opportunity to ride the elevator with other people okay I'll remind you we're about 20 minutes into the segment and this was supposed to be our cap segment I tell you what I think people are more interested in what we're talking about.

I think you should get that little snack table, put it up. Now, you know, and just stick one package on there and put the sign up that says this is a table that I've decided to donate to our hallway, to our entrance area, and please feel free to put packages on the table so that you don't have to bend down to pick them up to see whether or not they are yours. This is for everybody's convenience, please enjoy. I'm tempted to do it because that would offend her or him twice as much as anything I've done. Just to have this unsightly snacked TV table in the hallway, it would be very, it would be, it would not add to the aura of the building or any stretch and imagination.

So I'm considering it, but I'm going to see how it plays out from here on it. What does your wife think about this dilemma slash confrontation? She, surprisingly, and she's usually on the opposite side of this, she agrees with me. Yeah, it seems very logical. Now, again, if this was her attempt to make that area look nicer with a nice-looking table, I can understand where, oh, man, I was just hoping that the table kind of sit here and instead, every day it's loaded up with packages. I would also, by the way, understand why people were.

putting them there. Okay. Well, please keep us posted on how this thing develops. I think there could be an actual, you know, live confrontation coming. I think that's a possibility. Oh, I think there is inevitably. Because my wife said, you know, I'm not going to lie for you. If she asked me, if this woman asks, if your husband doing it, I don't want you to.

No, of course not. I'll tell her. If she asked me, I'll tell her. I have no problem with my position. You know? Right. So that will probably happen at some point. At some point, I'll be putting a package on the table, and this person will open the door, look out and see me.

And then we'll have it out. Mano e Mano. Yeah. Well, Mano A Karen, V Karen. Looking forward to that. I'm assuming it's this woman. I don't know for sure. It would be a guy.

Be funny for 6'8 inch, 265-pound-built husband came out and said, you messing with my wife's table? Is it you? See what happens then. All right. Caps tonight at Capital One trying to stay in the series. Logan Thompson needs to come up big. I thought he gave up a couple of soft goals.

The ice can't keep getting. tilted in one direction. And as Alan May said to me the other day, and as you say all the time, shoot the puck and get some traffic in front of the net, that pretty much sums up what they need to do tonight. Yes. Yes. And, you know, I think, like, if they don't do this and they exit meekly, I think despite

making it past the first round, I think that you've got questions about the coach. I mean, because I'm going to assume this is in part the system that they're playing that has resulted in this. I mean, I don't think hockey players by nature want to shoot the puck, don't they? Wouldn't you? Well, yeah, but I'm a shooter.

Yes, I think so. I think so. But your first part of that. Yeah, go ahead. Your first part of it is we were kind of convinced when they took Montreal out in 4-1, that they've now avoided getting absolutely pummeled

by fans and media members for an early exit in the postseason and another year, which would have been eight years, without a playoff series win. But to your point, going out in five, and let's just say tonight is another 4-0 or 5 to 2 kind of a game, that's the score of the last two, where it's obvious that they're getting dominated, by what appears to be a better team,

there will be some people that will be upset. I don't know enough to know whether or not Spencer Carberry is at fault. You know, everybody told me going into this postseason, he's one of the most well-respected X's and O's hockey coaches in the game. But he would at that point be 0 for two in the postseason, or no, one and two in terms of his series record. And let me just mention if Ovechkin doesn't really do anything tonight,

he did have the power play goal and the two-man advantage the other night. But we're going to wonder if he just kind of ran out of gas in this series. Yes. I don't have much more to add to that. I'm going to watch the game. I like watching these games.

And I like talking about the games that we watch the next day. previewing the games is really hard to do if you don't really know the sport, which is 90% of the people that consider themselves to be hockey fans. If we were doing the show together tomorrow, I think we could talk about what happened tonight. I think going into it to kind of suggest we need more from Nick Dowd, you know, we need Ryan Leonard to provide more. Mangiopani needs to really come up big. Bo Villiers needs to, you know, he's got to create more.

Here's what would be helpful. The goalie stops everything. Tom Wilson knocks out two to three Carolina Hurricanes, and Alex Ovechkin scores two goals and has two assists. How about that? Now that's expertise. I think so. Sure.

I think it is. And Sandine, don't get your stick caught. in the boards, in the sideboard, like he did the other night. Whoa, you're blowing me away here. I watch the game. And I'll watch tonight, too. Real quickly. I'll be watching as well.

I mentioned this to you the other day about Jimmy Butler's Disappearance Act in game four. So game five was last night. The Warriors got beat. They're out. The Timberwolves get back to the Western Conference Finals for a second straight year. Anthony Edwards is a great player. They have a good team. They have a really good team and they've got a deep team.

Jimmy Butler, again last night, non-existent. I can't believe it. I couldn't believe my eyes again. But because I had witnessed it in the last game, I'm like, now I had somebody mentioned to me and I went and found the story. Steve Kerr said that he was sick in the last game. And he also said after last night's game that he still. dealing, he was still dealing with the injury to his backside from the first series.

You can't be Jimmy Butler and your team needs you because Steph Curry is out to carry them just to one win. One win would have given them a chance to play with Steph coming back for game six. And in the last two games, he goes nine shot attempts and then last night 11 shot attempts. he had, I think, two points in the first quarter on two free throws on one shot attempt. It's just Tommy odd. He had the worst plus minus again for the second straight game. It's weird. I was listening to Edanus Hazlum, his former teammate, who does ESPN stuff, and he said,

because Jay Williams went off on Butler this morning and just said, you just can't do that. When you're getting ready to sign this massive deal and they traded for you and you've been the difference maker, the number one guy in your team, as he's referred to, Batman goes out. Well, Robin's got to step up and be Batman for a game or two. And he just did a disappearing act. I hope he was sick or hurt because if not, I'd question whether or not I'd want him paid if I were a Golden State fan. The other game real quickly was Boston, and I think I said this to you the other night, or the other day, or maybe I said it's yesterday on the show. I didn't think the Celtics were done just because they lost Jason Tatum.

Yeah, you did say that. I think they're deep. I think they're really good. And, man, the pressure is on the Knicks tomorrow night. If you want, hey, by the way, if you want tickets for that game, just call me. I got plenty of them for you. Have you seen it's $1,000 just to get in? and if you want a floor seat, how about 75K?

That's what they're going for, between $60,000 and $75,000 for a floor seat. Yeah, but I tell you what, Ben Stillering paying $75,000 for his tickets, I'll bet. Well, they have season tickets, you know. He paid for whatever the price was for the season, I'm sure. But don't the celebs get the tickets on the floor for pretty much because they're celebs? It's a good question. There are a lot of situations and where that happens. I don't know if it's happening for a playoff series in Madison Square Garden against the Boston Celtics.

I don't think they're just hand-in tickets to De Niro. I could be wrong. Maybe they are. They certainly don't need to. But it is, yeah, I'm looking at it right now. Okay, there is the cheapest ticket. it right now, $888. I see. But even way up. Yeah, now I read this 60 to 75K. I'm looking at Stubhub right now. I see, well, these aren't floor seats. My fault. I don't see any floor seats even

available. But like lower level mid-court, $12,794 for a ticket. Wow. New York. New York, New York. Yep. Okay. I want to hear your thoughts on Pete Rose. We'll do that right after these words from a few of our sponsors. Tommy, tell us about Shelley's. What do they got for lunch today?

Well, I don't know what they had for lunch today because I already gave me the specials last week, last podcast for this week. So I tend not to repeat the menu twice in one week. But I can tell you what they've got in the future, one of the biggest events of the year. Monday night, May 19th. Shelley's backroom hosting the DC-Graves Cigars and Curve Balls podcast featuring myself.

No, not podcast. Cigars and Curve-Balls Fundraiser and live auction. Yeah, no podcast. No, no podcast, but podcaster, Kevin Sheen will be there. Yes, I will be. And me. Yep. Along with Doc Walker and others.

And look, if you've ever thought about trying Shelley's backroom, this is the time to do it. because it's a really great festive atmosphere. And I think you'll see why when you get there. Part of the reason is Shelley's Backroom is such a great host for this kind of event. You know, great cigars, great beer, great drinks, great food, all that stuff. And you can find out more by going to shelley's Backroom.com. And you can buy tickets at the door. They're a $100 donation.

You get three cigars, and there'll be food at the event. We've got appetizers available at the event, quality appetizers, since it's from the Shelley's menu. And we auction off some great items, a CJ Abrams autographed bat, a John Riggins autographed a matted photo and the big prize an authenticated autographed

Sean Taylor jersey Big items this show. All that is part of the auction, which is a lot of fun in itself. So if you're looking to come down Monday, May 19th, Shelley's backroom from 6 to 8 p.m.

If you follow me on social media, I posted the link for tickets, but you can also buy tickets at the door, and I hope to see most of you there on Monday night, that Shelly's at 1331 F Street Northwest in the district. Certainly hope that if Mike Rizzo shows up Monday night, which he has shown up to your event many, many times over the years, I hope, you know, after the win last night, they can maybe get a win today, and maybe, how about a sweep over the Orioles?

So they got a little five-game winning streak when he gets there on Monday night, rather than us, you know, having to deal with a guy who's dropped, you know, 11 out of the last 12. The Nats are struggling to say the least. Yes. So we hope for that. Real quickly, before we get your thoughts on what the commissioner of baseball did a couple of days ago, if you missed yesterday's show, Scott McLuhan was on. He was really good.

Scott's been coming on now, I don't know, the last four or five years after the draft. He's a consultant to a lot of NFL teams, so he can't talk before the draft. But he had thoughts on the draft, thoughts on Washington's draft. But then Scott had a very strong opinion about Shadur Sanders. You can listen to him talk about that in the final segment of yesterday's show. Let me just the net of it is, but you'll want to hear why he likes Shadur Sanders. but he basically thinks, you know, the league done messed up, and that Shadur Sanders was the best quarterback in the draft.

So if you missed Scott McLuhan yesterday, I think it was worth it. All right. The other day, Rob Manfred made eligible players who are no longer with us, players who are deceased. That would include, of course, Pete Rose. You came on with me yesterday on radio to talk about this, but I know you've had additional thoughts as well. So tell everybody what the commissioner did, what the next steps are, and what your thoughts are on this.

Well, the commissioner's statement, when Rob Manfred announced this, he basically said, a person no longer with us cannot represent a threat to the integrity of the game. You know? Moreover, it's hard to conceive of a penalty that is more deterrent effect than one that lasts a lifetime with no reprieve. Okay. So basically Pete Rose, who died in September, his death supposedly opened up Rob Manfred's heart to allow him and other band people on baseball's band list be taken off the list. This is such a ridiculous way of thinking now that I think about it. I mean, you would think that now, more than ever, with professional sports betting now, legalized sports betting, baseball in bed

with legalized sports betting, having sports books inside stadiums, you would think now more than ever you need to send a message that this is something that won't be tolerated. And you have one of the most iconic figures in all baseball

here, who now, you know, because he's not with us anymore, they take him off the list and open the door for him to be inducted in baseball's Hall Fame. And I think that's a ridiculous message to send now. Now more than ever. Baseball is more vulnerable now to scandal than it has been since the 1990 Black Sox scandal. And to go ahead and to do this now sends the wrong message.

I mean, I think this is totally because of Manfred's meeting with Trump in April, President Trump in April, who made it clear that he wanted Rose reinstated and eventually back in, eventually wind up in the Hall fame. And, you know, I have a column runner tomorrow, and I spoke to John Dowd, who was the prosecutor, federal prosecutor, who investigated Rose for baseball and came up with the Dowd report, the information that they used to ban Rose from the Hall fame. he also represented Trump for a couple of years in 2016 and 2017. He told me he thinks absolutely it was Trump that was the motivating factor behind this decision.

So, I mean, this is a spineless thing by Manfred. When they need to be more vigilant, when they need to send bigger messages than ever, they've done the opposite. All right, devil's advocate. First of all, the message of your... never going to be in the Hall of Fame if you gamble on sports and you're alive, might be enough of a deterrent. I mean, who wants to go in after they pass away? Number two is that I don't know if, you know, they're more vulnerable today than they ever were.

And I'm not saying that sports aren't more, aren't vulnerable to gambling scandals. And gambling is much more accessible. That's true. But the oversight and the, you know, the, you know, the. watchdog community on all of this is more vigilant than ever. And players just make so much more money now today that the incentives for them to throw games, you just can't come up with that much money to make it worthwhile. Now that does not discount the player that has a gambling problem and gets into, you know, gets into it too deep and digs a hole that it.

he then uses his position as a player or as a manager or as a coach to dig out of by, you know, influencing the outcome of a game. But I'm not sure it's more vulnerable today. Well, I think it is because it's easier to bet than it's ever been before. And the message to bet is all is everywhere for people. And I'm not against any of that. It's easier to get caught. if you have some sort of...

But addicts don't pay attention to getting caught. You know, they're just looking for their next bet, their next six. All right. And I think the drug, in this case, is more accessible to them than it's ever been before. You had a change in kind of your overall thought process from the radio hit that you did with me yesterday. So I do think it's important for those that haven't followed this story to understand. that what the commissioner did is not put Pete Rose's name on the ballot for Hall of Fame voters like Tommy to vote on. There is something called the Era Committee. It's a committee of 16 people,

writers, Tommy, former players, you know, baseball people that will actually vote on it. And you did tell me yesterday, you think that's a foregone conclusion that he will get voted into the Hall of Fame. Do you still feel that way? You know, I'm not so sure now. Okay. Because you have to get 12 of the 16 votes. And there's been some backlash, I think, from people privately, you know, without putting their names on it, who, I'm just surprised that there has not been an overwhelming,

besides, you know, some of the fan base, a positive response to this. I'm kind of surprised at the backlash. So, you know, it may not happen for P because you need 12. I think you need 12 to 16 votes to get in. And, you know, he may not do it or he may not do it the first time on the ballot. Okay. But first he has to get on the ballot. There's lots of other candidates who have to go through the screening process that are up for vote by the so-called error committee

as well. You know, baseball managers like Dusty Baker and others and executives and players who have been passed over before on the regular ballot. You know, so I'm not so sure myself that it's a lock that used to be. It wouldn't be surprised me if he does get in, but I don't think it's a lock anymore. All right, well, we'll see how it plays out. I know Reds fans are certainly excited about it. Quick thing before we leave for the day, because I just saw this come across the wire. Maryland has hired its new athletic director. He is Jim Smith. He has been working for the Atlanta Braves.

He's been an executive with the Atlanta Braves, Chief Marketing Officer, Revenue Office Vice President. He's also worked with the Columbus crew and the MLS, and he was with Ohio State. as an associate athletic director. So he's familiar with college and familiar with the Big Ten. So don't know much about him. Be hard for it to be not an upgrade over Damon Evans, who left for SMU. But let's hope everything works out.

And let's hope he is basketball friendly to fans because Buzz Williams is killing it right now, recruiting-wise. The portal has been very kind to Buzz Williams and he's doing really well with recruiting as well. The Terps may be decent next year when all of a sudden done.

All right, anything else? I got nothing else for you, boss. Okay, we'll start thinking about, you know, Tommy Solo on this podcast. I like the idea. I will talk to you on Monday. I'll see you Monday before our next podcast together. See you Monday night.

Yes, sir. See you Monday.