The Kevin Sheehan Show - A Trade Up For Trey?

Episode Date: April 8, 2021

Kevin and Thom today on topics far and wide including the Michael Lombardi report that Washington is in love with North Dakota State QB Trey Lance and may make a Draft Day move up for him. Also on the show, Kevin got vaccinated, Thom hated being at Nats' opening day, and much more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it. You don't need it. But you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Cheyenne Show. He is Kevin. Tommy's here with me today. We will get to the Trey Lance stuff. Mike Lombardi from his podcast that he does for the athletic. Reported yesterday that Washington is very, very enamored with Trey Lance,

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On this glorious day, I'm doing good, and I would love to hear some good news. I am fully vaccinated. Really? Yeah. I was going to wait to tell you until I was fully vaccinated. I got my second shot. I'm all done.

And, you know, it was not a liberating feeling by any stretch of the imagination. In fact, I almost decided at the last second to try to reschedule the second shot because I didn't think I was going to make it on time. And it was a long haul drive out to Chevroly, you know, near Landover. And the traffic was bad. And I was like, you know, I don't think I'm going to make it. And I don't feel like sitting in traffic.

So I almost rescheduled it. My wife's like, are you kidding me? Yeah. Holy schedules their vaccine. She said, what do you mean? I said, well, you know, and she hasn't been feeling well. She got her second shot. Did I tell you this?

I know I told you this off the air. I don't know if I told you this on the podcast on Tuesday. She got her second shot on Saturday and got really sick. As it turns out, however, it really wasn't the effects of the second shot, which was the Pfizer shot. She just got a terrible cold simultaneous with the second shot and had sore thrift. throat, had an ear infection, all sorts of things that weren't necessarily, you know, side effects anyway of a second shot. I just figured it was the second shot side effects. Well, is she feeling better?

Yeah, she's much better. It was much better last night. I'll bet you're a regular Florence Nightingale when you're sick. Actually, I'm pretty helpful. Very helpful. Okay. I'm sure you think you are. Why would you suggest otherwise?

I mean, the people that are important to me in my life, I take care of. of. Because you have so little sympathy for people who get sick. Well, I don't, this is true as it relates to my three boys, you know, we had this conversation at the beginning of the pandemic and I thought to myself, maybe we probably didn't play this right over the years. But unless they were legit sick, they were getting up and going to school. None of this sniffles stuff, staying home. We were not that group of parents. Really, you don't feel well. Do you have a fever? No. Do you have I just have a headache or I've got the snow. Get up and get to school.

And really, probably the wrong decision. Because who knows what they transmitted to other kids? But anyway, it wasn't like a liberating thing by any stretch of the imagination. But I will tell you this, I am happy that I'm fully vaccinated. The only side effect I had, I had no side effects from the first shot. The second shot, the only thing I would tell you is that, I'm very, I'm always tired, given my hours and not enough sleep. Now, I'm not complaining, but I don't sleep a lot in general.

So I'm always kind of tired, but I'm excessively tired today. So I am on actually my third cup of coffee this morning. The first one came at about 5 a.m. The second one came right after the show ended, and then I grabbed a third one. from the kitchen here to bring in here. I'm not, I haven't actually taken a sip of it yet, but caffeine, I think, is going to keep me, you know, going here today. What number blueberry muffin are you on?

I just finished blueberry muffin number one from this fantastic bakery prelines that is near us. And they're blueberry muffins. What vaccine did you get? Pfizer. Okay. I had Moderna. Right. And I had, I didn't have, I mean, I didn't even have a sore arm. I didn't have a sore arm. I don't, I don't have a sore arm either. I mean, I had zero impact at all.

Right. And I felt, I didn't feel euphoria as much as I did relief that, that we got it done. Because there was a lot of question, like I said, whether they, you know, we weren't Florida residents technically. And we had this done in February, you know, so. So there was sense of relief that we managed to get in and get the shot. First of all, of the important people in my life that are much older like you, I was never, ever going to take an opportunity to get the vaccine before you were fully vaccinated or my parents were fully vaccinated or anybody with underlying conditions or older. But now they're vaccinating everybody.

Now it's like if you're available, get in and get it done. Did you see the story of Josh Allen, the Buffalo Bills quarterback, and what he said on a podcast yesterday with one of the people that does the show, one of the shows on NFL Network. Did you hear what he said about whether or not? Okay, I'm going to read you the quote. Josh Allen, who by the way is a hell of a quarterback, said in some sort of 10 questions podcast.

Have you had a vaccine? No, I have not. Are you going to get a vaccine? Quote, I'm still debating that. I'm a big statistics and logical guy. So if statistics show it's the right thing for me to do, I'd do it.

Again, I'd lean the other way, too, if that's what the statistics say. I haven't been paying attention to it as much as maybe I should have. I've just been doing my thing and masking up when I'm going out and just staying close and hanging around family. closed quote. He's clearly not a big outside of maybe sports statistics guy because the Pfizer

vaccine has a 95% efficacy rate. This is not a real statistical debate at this point. Moderna has a 93 or 94% efficacy rate. And the J&J, the Johnson & Johnson one-shoter, that efficacy rate is like in the 70s, I think. But here's the bottom line. All three of them have basically, if you get it, even if you get the vaccine and then you get COVID, like you're one of the small percentage of people that get COVID, the chances of getting seriously ill are greatly diminished with the vaccines. Now, trust me, Zabe and I talked about, you know, COVID and the whole thing yesterday on the show. And some of you had some, you know, rather, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, rather crass comments on that, which by the way,

it sort of leads to, I think what I said on the show yesterday, which is I just don't know why we can't be more open-minded, honest, and the truth we'll do rather than being so divisive. And not that I'm so naive, Tommy, to suggest that all we need is love, although I really would like a lot more love. But, God, man, we need a lot of open-mindedness. we need to pick love and kind, being kind to one another, over divisiveness and violence. I don't know why we can't all just get along.

But anyway, back to Josh Allen. I mean, dude, the statistics are right there for you. And I... Look, this guy went to school in Wyoming, okay? The people in Wyoming... Here we go. Cooley lives in Wyoming. Well, the people in Wyoming are a little bit off and haven't spent.

you know, like about six or seven November, so a couple of days in November in Wyoming, they're just a little bit off. They're not going to believe anything that the government tells them or anybody of authority because they're all cowboys out there. Yeah. Well, look, the statistics on Josh Allen getting the virus and getting sick from the virus, if he is speaking to those statistics, I understand what they are. for somebody who is fit and 25 years old and, you know, I'm guessing doesn't have any underlying

health conditions. It is not a disease that is threatening to him. I understand. But a good teammate, a good teammate would understand that the shot is not just about him. I understand that. That's what I was going to say. And the statistics on this vaccine and what it does and what it does for everybody, if everybody gets vaccinated, that should be part of his statistical equation. Yes. Anyway. When did you get the shot?

I got the second shot on Monday. So when, according to, you know, conjecture, are you fully protected? Well, it says two weeks after the second shot. Okay. I mean, you know, I've read through the whole CDC thing on the vaccination. And that some of some people really had a problem with with some of the conversation that Zabe and I were having. Zab's very, very deep into this in a way in which again, I am very open-minded and I am not about to throw any sort of opinion based on real data, you know, away like many out there are. You know, many just want to buy whatever it is they're reading or watching as the truth.

And it's not always the truth. My point is, within the next, after two weeks, I'm going to have to make a trip into the studio so we can do the show in person. Oh, yes, two weeks done. And then two weeks, you know, the CDC website says if you're fully vaccinated and you're in small to medium size gatherings or you're outside, you don't need to wear a mask. Everybody is. If you come in here after my two weeks are up, are you going to wear a mask? No. Okay. I'm not either. No, I'm in a room with you. You're fully vaccinated. I'm fully vaccinated. No.

I don't even want to talk about this anymore. I'm fully vaccinated. That's the net of it. I'm glad I am. I'm glad it, you know, I hope it lasts for a while. You know, there's still a lot of data out there about how long this vaccination keeps you protected at the efficacy rates, you know, that they have. That's still an unknown. You know, who knows? We may need another one a year for. from now. We may need another one against, you know, a different variant that, you know, develops. Who the fuck knows at this point? But God, you know, this whole last year, not to beat this to death, but the last year, just enough of all of the political divisiveness, the cultural divisiveness, the racial divisiveness that people are really trying to push. Let's just all, you know, sports is great, Tommy.

You know, we live in incredibly divisive times, but sports definitely is one of those areas. It's always been this way where we don't really care about all of that. We can drop all of that and just debate whether or not Trey Lance is worth going up for. That's what we're going to do on this show today. How about that? It's a rabbit hole. I'm not going down because I have different opinions about it.

About what, the divisiveness? Yeah. So are you pro-deviceiveness or anti-device? Right now, I think what we're doing is fighting to get off the mat and fighting back. And when you're fighting back to recover what you've lost, you fight back. Oh, so you're for the fighting back, even if it includes intentional trying to divide. Yes. As was the case with this Georgia voting law, which I don't want to get into.

We've talked about it briefly. But, you know, we have a new president who's following an old president who couldn't tell the truth. And the new president clearly did not tell the truth with respect to the actual hours. And that was inexcusable. Well, but you just said that he's fighting back. So it's not so it's excusable. No, that's not excusable. But fighting back and this idea of just turning the other.

cheek and everyone getting along, bullshit. Oh, well. Not after the damage that's been done for the past four years. There's so much to fix. Yeah, but see, you're only acknowledging the damage done by one side, and that's the problem, and that's why you won't get off the position you're on. I acknowledge the damage done by both sides. I acknowledge the ongoing damage done by various media sources, the extremes,

both sides. You know, people that don't pay attention to the news, that don't watch the news, don't read the news, I'm convinced are much happier right now and much less angst-ridden over things and are absolutely in an argument much more open-minded probably to anything. But that's not the news, Kevin. That's not the news. Watching MSNBC, Fox, and CNN is not the news. Well, guess what, Tommy? Most people consume and believe it to be news. But that's not the news.

I agree with you. I agree with you. Those are people interviewing other people with opinions all day. They are talk formats. They are what you and I do. Now, there are hours on all of those networks that are more news hours. Yes, there are. Okay.

Yes, there are. But overall, it's all lumped together. and to me that's not the news. Well, when you say it's okay for, you know, to fight like hell that all shouldn't be forgotten, we shouldn't all get along. It's time to fight back. You're speaking to one side of it. Yeah, the right side.

No, it's not the right side. Actually, it's the left side for you. No, I mean the correct side. The decencies, the humanity side. You see, before it was the inhumanity side. was in charge. Now the humanity side is in charge. And yet, you know, we, you're not excusing our leaders, whether Democrat or Republican, whether 2016 through 2020 or 2021 January moving forward, you're not endorsing continuing to be dishonest. Or let's put it a better way. Speaking in exaggerated forms

that create more divisiveness. Because that's not coming from the news. A lot of the misinformation about the Georgia voting law wasn't just coming from news sources. I don't understand, but look, the Georgia voting law, however flawed the criticisms were of the details of it, and I don't understand why Biden has not come off that at this point and just basically said, we were wrong about those specifics when it came to hours and sending hours. Why do you think he hasn't come off of it? Well, because politicians don't like to do that.

All politicians. Okay. Nobody likes to say we're wrong. You don't like to say you were wrong. Yes, I don't like to say we were wrong. You definitely don't like to say you're wrong. I know, but you're convinced you do. No, I don't like to say that I'm wrong, but I say that I'm wrong more than you say you're wrong.

Well, that's because you're wrong for it. I guess I have more opportunities. Look, by the way, I'm not sitting here telling you that the Georgia voting law, which I've actually read through, doesn't have major issues in it in terms of voter suppression. There are. But it isn't what the president and many people have described it to be. You are right. So I just am very much a believer in why can't the truth be the truth, the truth will do. and be open-minded, be more accepting of people's opinions.

Let's not get wrapped up into something that you don't even think exists, which is cancel culture. I'm not canceling anybody because their opinion is different than mine. I'm not going to do that. By the way, switching subjects sort of, I did read your column the other day. You're okay with baseball moving the All-Star game out of Georgia, right? I'm okay with it.

I understand the, I understand that the Democrats left behind in Georgia and the damage it does to them. I get that. But sometimes you got to break a few eggs to make an omelette. Yeah, but you don't have to break five or six of them. I mean, Stacey Abrams and the new Senator Warnock, they're all against this. I get that. Yeah. I understand that.

I was watching Chris Christie on the Stephanopoulos Sunday show last week or whenever it was. and he said some... Talk about using politics for personal interest. So that guy who closed down a fucking bridge. So he said, you know, he essentially said, you know, in this infrastructure bill, that, you know, there is some, you know, there are various Republican governors who are for it. He just basically said, he said, any time a governor right left or middle is given money by the. federal government, they're going to take it every single time, whether they agree with the purpose of it or not, because it puts them into position where they don't have to raise taxes to generate

the revenue, which I thought made a lot of sense. Well, and it does make a lot of sense. And sometimes you get a couple of limited to governors out there who say they're going to throw the money back in their face, but nobody really does that. No, no. I mean, because for, then they shouldn't. You want to talk about the infrastructure bill? No, I don't want to talk about the infrastructure bill.

Why? Do you have some kind of project involved with it or something like that? No, I don't. I think we need infrastructure in this country. I just don't know why you would stuff it with a bunch of stuff that is an infrastructure. Let's get the bill passed and let's get our roads fixed and our internet fixed and a lot of new things that are referred to as infrastructure. I understand that. But most of that bill is an infrastructure.

So why can't we do just an infrastructure bill? and then they can go after the other things that they want in it. But anyway, Trey Lance, what do you think about Trey Lance? Well, here's what I think about Trey Lance. If they really believe that that's their guy, they should do everything they can to get them. If they're that sold, if Washington football, you know, as according to Mike Lombardi says on his podcast,

is so sold on this guy, then they need to go get him. I agree with you. I just don't know. I don't know if I believe the report. You know, we'll do that. We'll do that. You have some things. You want to talk about opening day you were there for it.

You've got a story that you want to tell. I've got something else, but we'll get to the Tray Lance story from Mike Lombardi right after this word from one of our sponsors. So anyway, Mike Lombardi, who was, you know, a longtime NFL personnel guy, GM, Cleveland, and various other places. And he's been in the media now for a while. I don't know the last time he actually worked if we're an NFL team. But he has his own podcast. And it's part of the athletic, actually. And over the years, Lombardy's had a lot of Washington criticism, you know, which by the way has been pretty fair. But part of the reason he's had it, Tommy, correct me if I'm wrong, but he and Bruce

Alan, they didn't really like each other. They couldn't stand each other. And, you know, I'm trying, I don't remember where their paths crossed. I guess it was in Oakland. I think it may have been in Oakland when Bruce was in Oakland in the early 2000s. But anyway, they don't like

each other. He's been wrong on a lot of his redskinned stuff. You know, he did have recently the Marcus Marriota thing on Washington. And I believe that Washington did have some interest in Marcus Marriota. Anyway, here's what he said on his podcast, the GM shuffle with Adnan Verk, who I guess

co-hosts that show with him. He said that Washington loves North Dakota State quarterback Trey Lance and could see Ron Rivera making a major trade for the quarterback. Quote, I think Washington's going to be the next team to unload all of their picks to try to get a quarterback. You know, that would be following the 49ers. who unloaded all their picks to move up to number three to get a quarterback. He said, I think they love Lance.

I don't think I know Washington loves Lance. So will they trade up to get Lance? That remains to be seen. They're going to wait for the draft, and if Trey Lance starts to slide, they're going to go get his ass. They're going to go get his ass. We're going to react to what happens in front of us. When Ron Rivera said that, he's not lying.

Ron is just being totally honest. I think they want Trey Lance. I think they're willing to go get them. I think they want to do it in a way to where they can minimize their cost. And so the only way you can do that is to get on the clock and wait for that draft to start three weeks from tonight, by the way. And wait for who goes four, who goes five, who goes at six. And maybe it gets to six and they'd be willing to. to move up from 19 to get themselves some Trey Lance.

He also said, he also referred to Fitzpatrick many times during this podcast as Fitsy. He's a hockey coach. He said, I think they want competition. Fitzpatrick's going to be the starter opening day. I don't think there's any doubt about that. The reality of this is how long can Fitsy go? And he's the perfect guy. So they draft Trey Lance and they've got Fitsy and they've got Hineke and they've got Hineke and they've got

Kyle Allen over there. So they let Fitsy start the season off. They redshirt Lance and they go into 2022 ready to go with Lance. They've got their quarterback for the future. I love when guys talk in college terms, redshirt, because they actually can't redshirt Lance and they can't put Lance on the practice squad either. So Lance, if they were to draft him, is going to be in the roster. And let me give, you know, Olum Lombardo some advice on this. They're not keeping four quarterbacks on the main roster. They signed Heineke, they signed Allen, they signed Fitsy. If they bring Lansing, somebody's gone.

All four of them aren't there. He didn't mention Stevie, Montez, either. That's right. I've read somewhere that Washington football wants to turn them in to Taysom Hill. Yes. Yes, I did read that. Yes. But look, I mean, that sounds pretty good.

That's kind of scenario. I mean, that sounds pretty intelligent. Now, if this happens, it's clearly what Rivera wants. I know they brought in Marty Herney, they brought in Martin Mayhew, they've got all these other minds thinking about what they want to do. But this is the decision if it's made is Ron Rivera's decision. This is what he wants. I mean, he may have taken everybody's opinion into account. But if they do this, I got to think this is what Rivera wants.

I don't think this is, this is, this is, this would not be an owner situation, uh, upon first glance, right? Well, I mean, I never discount that. I'm surprised. I know that. Upon first glance, I said. Um, look, they have in their front office now, okay, they have the head coach. They've got Martin Matthew. They've got Marty Herney.

They've got Chris Polion. They've got Eric Stokes. Um, they've got the guy grible who they love, you know, who's who heads up their college personnel. They're a lot of, a lot of voice. They've got a lot of voices and they've got a lot of people and they've got a lot of experience to be fair. This is an experienced group evaluating these players. I don't think they're going to make a Sue of Cravens or Darius Geiss mistake moving forward because they're going to know where the bodies are buried.

They're going to see the red flags or they're going to see them at least as red if there are flags there, unlike Bruce Allen, Brucey, who is colorblind. So they're going to see that stuff. and I don't think you're going to see big mistakes like that made. Now, whether or not they get players that are good enough, who knows? But I think that it would be a lot of people involved, and my guess is to answer your question is that Dan, I'm going to hope that Dan's not got a big voice in this, other than for Ron after he is sat down with Martin and Marty

and, you know, Stokes and Polion and Gribble, and he goes and he calls him up and he dials up, and he dials him up and he says, Mr. Snyder, it's Ron. Mr. Snyder, we've come to the conclusion that as this draft is going on tomorrow night, that if Trey Lance is there at the eight spot where Carolina is selecting, we've had some discussions we're going to trade up for Trey Lance. And I would think that Dan would say, you know, right now, my guess is Dan would say whatever you think is right, Ron. Well, I would think that would get the owner choose up.

you know i mean the unlike before not that we know of the owner isn't wedded to any quarterback on the roster now you know he's got no skin in the game at at this point so uh the idea of of moving up in the draft to draft the unknown young star college quarterback would excite the owner i would think yeah but i'm saying that it's not going to be driven the decision is not going to be driven because the owner has said, hey, we got, we got to get a big time quarterback in here. This guy, he didn't go to college. He didn't go to school with a son or ain't like that, did he? This Lance guy? He's not from with D.C. is he? No, he played in North Dakota State. I don't know where he's from. Okay. Okay. So, you know, he didn't go to Bullis. I know he didn't go to Bullis. Okay. So I think where I think you're okay. He's from Marshall, Minnesota. So that's where he's from. So a couple of

things on this. Number one, I don't think it's going to happen for a lot of reasons, which I'll get to here in a moment. Number two, I have no idea if they have the kind of desire to have Trey Lance on their roster that Mike Lombardi thinks they have. I have no idea. I did two months ago here from a pretty reliable source that there were at least a couple of people in personnel that really liked Justin Fields. It wasn't that it was an overall franchise thought, but I do know that certainly month and a half, two months ago, there were some people in personnel that really were enamored with Justin Fields. Justin Fields could drop too. So I don't know if I don't know anything about their opinion on Trey Lance. I do agree with you though. If this particular group comes to the

conclusion that Trey Lance is a 10 to 15 year franchise quarterback with the possibility of becoming an elite quarterback answer for this franchise, then I do want them to be aggressive, and I want them to go get Trey Lance. And I can't tell you about Trey Lance and whether or not I would do it as a fan, because Trey Lance has started all of like 16 games at the FCS level. Like this is, you know, this is a big risk. Trey Lance, I've watched the video just like all of you have, I'm sure, or many of you have. I mean, he's really something to watch on video. You know, he's got size, but he is so elusive.

He's such a playmaker. He's got great speed. He's got eyes in the back of his head. He's able to extend plays. He's got a big arm. He's not short like Russell Wilson, but he moves around and creates like Russell Wilson. You know, he doesn't have the exact arm strength that Patrick Mahomes has, but he's able to completely, you know, take four different directions on one play to complete a pass down the field.

But this was at a level in which they were the dominant team. You know, it wasn't that he was on an FCS team that was just okay and he was elevating the team. This is the dominant program at the FCS level. They won back-to-back championships with him in terms. 2018, he didn't play in 2018. In 2019, they won it. And one of the numbers that everybody throws out as like, it's just unbelievable, like we've never seen anything like it, is he threw 28 touchdown passes and no interceptions in 2019. And he threw, you know, it completed 67% of his passes and he rushed for over 1,000 yards. Actually, I think he rushed for over

1,100 yards. And a bunch of rushing touchdowns as well, okay, I, I just, I, just don't know how anybody that is a fan of the game that doesn't have the ability to really do the kind of research you have to do and doesn't have and don't have the expertise that herney and mayhew and Rivera and Scott Turner and Stokes and polion and all these guys have how you would have such a definitive opinion about a guy that you didn't even see play college football Like we all have an opinion about Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields and Mac Jones because they're on TV every weekend. And we can watch all of their games and have an informed opinion, not as informed, obviously, as the people who are doing this for a living. But I don't even know how you get to the point where you're absolutely convinced that Trey Lance is a fan.

You're convinced that he's like the next Mahomes or Rogers or Wilson or a comment. of all three of them. Everybody with a keyboard is a general manager. I think it's a high, high-risk venture. They can watch videos. They can, they can, you know, they can watch highlights, and they can talk to their friends and their buddies and come up with an opinion.

Yes, they can do that. They can do that. Look, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I don't have an opinion on Trey Lance. I've watched all the videos. He really looks good, you know? He looks great. I have much more of an opinion on the players that I watched play at high-level Division 1, all the big games that Justin Fields and Trevor Lawrence and Mack Jones were involved in.

You know, watched the games at Zach Wilson quarterback this year. There's a lot that's impressive about him. Watched a lot of the other guys like Kellyn Mond and Kyle Trask. Watched enough of Jamie Newman, you know, from his Wake Forest. days. Obviously he didn't play last year at Georgia. Trey Lance, you know, I'm not going to sit here and tell you that, like, I believe he's the next Mahomes or the next Rogers or Wilson or a combination of all three, or Josh Allen, whatever. I just don't, I think when you're drafting our quarterback at that level from a team that good and that much better than their competition, where, by the

way, like he averaged like 18 pass attempts a game or something like that. Why? Well, because they're up, like 38 to nothing. in all these games. You know, so they're not even really, they're truly not having many competitive games. So you've got all of that as well. In 2019, on the way to the championship, they won, well, 2018 on the way to the championship,

this is the playoffs, 52 to 10, 35, nothing, 44, 21, 38, 24, 24. So that was their closest game in 2018 on the way to the championship. In 2019, the team that he quarterback, 37-13, 9-3 to 3 was the score of the quarterfinal game. I don't know what the circumstances of that game were. I mean, could have been a bad weather game for all I know. 42-14, and then they beat a really good James Madison FCS team, 2820. But, I mean, these regular season games that this team's playing,

I mean, they're knockouts every week. He averaged 18 pass attempts in college football. That's not a lot. So it's not just that he didn't play a lot of games. He didn't throw a lot of passes. So anyway, I don't know, I don't know how you really, as a fan, can be absolutely convinced about him. That's all I would say.

What else on him? Oh, I know what I wanted to say. So the other part of this is, is it possible? Well, to make it an absolute certainty, you'd have to know that San Francisco's not going to pick him at three, and we don't know that for sure at this point. Secondly, if you do find that out on draft night, and it goes Lawrence, Zach Wilson,

and then at number three, Mac Jones, owns to San Francisco, then to be assured that you get them, you've got to trade up to number four from 19. That's going to cost you two firsts and a second minimum. Like your 22 first, your 2023 first, and probably your second, which is 51 overall this year, and by the way, your first rounder this year where you're going to swap spots 19 with four. That's a pretty pricey proposition to go up and get them. Now, Atlanta could potentially get a lot more from a team like New England or a team like Denver that doesn't want to wait around to see, is it going to be Lance or Fields that goes next?

Here's the other issue with the draft as you sit and wait for it. So now that Carolina's traded for Sam Darnold, okay, let's just, let's play this out. Lawrence won, Zach Wilson, two, and let's just say the 49ers go Mac Jones. Even though there's been a lot of Trey Lance and Justin Fields talk, they're going to go to Justin Fields' second pro day today, second or third pro day, whatever it is. And let's just say Atlanta decides we're not trading it. We're going to draft Kyle Pitts, who might be the best player in the draft. And Cincinnati goes receiver, or they go Sewell, the offensive tackle from Oregon,

and then the dolphins go receiver. And then the lions are on the clock. The lions could be looking at quarterback. I would think that you almost have to go up to seven. Carolina at 8, they just did the deal with Darnold. Maybe they would trade back to 19. But after Darnold, after Carolina, if he's still there, Denver needs a quarterback next. Then Cowboys, Giants, Eagles, 10, 11, 12, none of those teams are going to trade with you so that you can draft your quarterback.

Not one of your division rivals is going to make a trade for you. So my point here is too expensive to go up to four. Miami's already traded back to six and done their incredible job off the Laramie Tunsell trade from a few years back of picking up all these picks and moving around. Cincinnati's picking somebody to help borough. Miami's picking somebody to help Tua. Then it's Detroit, Carolina, Denver. So it's those three teams that you're going to have to do a deal with.

and Denver still needs a quarterback, and Detroit needs a quarterback. I think they do. I think they should be looking for a quarterback, because I don't think Jared Goff is the answer. Carolina would probably be the spot. 19 to 8, you're going to give up no less than a first and a second to move up 11 spots, and probably more than that. So you better be sure. He's not dropping to, like, Dallas at 10, and then you're going to get Dallas on the phone and say,

hey, that's not going to happen. Or the Giants at 11 or the Eagles at 12. Other teams they'll deal with to trade back to allow somebody to get Tray Lance. And by the way, who knows? The Eagles at 12, if one of those quarterbacks dropped to 12, who's to say that they wouldn't take Lance or Fields? Yeah, you got a new coach in Philadelphia now. So I just don't see it being possible unless they were just to give up just a boatload

to make Atlanta do the deal with them if Atlanta has other offers. And we still don't know for sure that San Francisco is going to draft Mac Jones. It just seems like people are backing. Schefter's pretty adamant that it's going to be Mac Jones. So I really do believe Adam more than anybody else when it comes to this stuff. But who knows? By the way, I said this on radio this morning with my new producer, Brendan, who's really a big sports fan and huge into the NFL draft.

If I were doing one of these mock draft, Tommy, if I was part of this mock draft community, and I didn't have a lot of stature, but I was looking for some publicity, I would put out a mock draft with Zach Wilson number one to Jacksonville and Trevor Lawrence number two to the Jets. Because nobody's done that. And yet people are so, so into Zach Wilson. Gil Brandt, who you and I both love on Twitter, right? We've talked about this before, right? Yes. Gil Brant said the other day that, and Gil Brant, for those of you who don't know, is the long time, you know, in the 60s, 70s, 80s, before Jerry took over the organization in Dallas, the long time general manager and the architect of all those cowboy teams. And he's great on Twitter. How old?

Did we look this up recently? Isn't he like 80-something years old? Something like that. Yeah. So he tweeted this out the other day. If you pin me down and forced me to pick between Trevor Lawrence and Zach Wilson, I might pick Wilson. It's that close for me.

Honestly, I'm surprised that Jaguars new head coach, who's Irvin Meyer, didn't show up at BYU's Pro Day. So he loves Zach Wilson too. Like if I were doing one of these things, I'd absolutely put Zach Wilson number one. And if I were one of these guys just trying to make a name for my mock draft, I'd say I've got some information that Zach Wilson, Wilson that Jacksonville is now considering Zach Wilson. That would get...

That wouldn't be true, though. You don't have any information. No, no, no. If I were in my basement trying to be a known mock drafter, I'd put Zach Wilson number one. So you would advocate spreading false information. Yes, I would. Yeah. Oh, so for somebody like that.

You're good at compartmentalizing. Well, it's sports. Nobody gets hurt by sports, Tommy. Come on. Okay. Yeah, I mean, you know, this isn't spreading information about, you know, an election that wasn't fairly contested. Okay, so you do have a level of comfort with deceit. I do have a level of comfort with deceit when it comes to things that don't matter.

Yes, I do. Okay. Yeah. You know who else has that? You do. I do not. Oh, you're so high and mighty. I'm sorry.

Look, I mean, it's like the answer. The air is thin up here. I can tell you that, but I don't. The air is thin up here. Yeah, you can barely breathe. Okay. Anyway, for any of you listening that are doing your own little mock draft thing, I would do that. Put Zach Wilson one and put Trevor Lawrence too and just say that you've, you know, you've heard there's a possibility that Jacksonville is thinking about Zach Wilson. That'll get you on the board here.

That'll get you on the board. It's better than that. Okay? The air is thin up here. That's the name of today's podcast. I don't think it's going to happen. And it's not just because I think Lombardi's wrong in a lot of things. I mean, I don't know.

He might know something. The bottom line is, I just don't think that they're going to do it. I don't think they're going to really have the opportunity to do it. I think one of the reasons after failing on Matt Stafford, that they went, ultimately went with Fitzpatrick, is that they didn't think they'd have a chance to get the quarterback that they wanted in the draft. And they had to come up with a solution for next year and maybe even the year after, potentially. But things change between the time they made the trade for Fitzpatrick and draft night. Opinions can change.

No doubt. Actually, opinions in their own building. Yes, that's what I mean. Yeah, I agree. That's what I mean. I mean, you know, between that time, they could come to a conclusion that, well, we have to do everything we can now to get this guy. We're more sold on them now than we were two months ago. All right.

When we come back, Tommy wants to share some stories from opening day the other day. The Natch dropped two heartbreakers yesterday. God, did Strasbourg pitch well. More on that. Tommy's got a story to tell. And I have a follow-up to the show yesterday with Zabe. that Tommy will get involved in too because it's a subject near and dear to his heart. That's next, after this word from one of our sponsors.

So the Nats got swept in the doubleheader yesterday. Now they're off to L.A. to face the Dodgers. Man, nobody was paying attention. They were so blinded by how embarrassed they were as a Nats fan over all the issues of last week. So I don't even know if anybody watched these games. But the first game was a close game in this year. This is what you're such a fool. You really are.

No, you are. I mean, this is ridiculous. On this one, you are. I mean, this is ridiculous. Nobody, nobody, nobody gives shit. Nobody cares. I'm not talking about fans.

Fans don't give a shit about any of this stuff. So why? Inside your own industry. Uh-huh. Inside the industry of baseball, this was an embarrassment. Okay. Well, it was an embarrassment for the national. You weren't specifically clear on inside the industry when you were talking about what

it's an embarrassment. It is an embarrassment. It is. It's embarrassing. Okay. Just because most people are not smart enough to realize that. Right. It doesn't mean it's not an embarrassment.

And winning, opening day, doesn't mean it wasn't an embarrassment. That embarrassment came home to Roos yesterday when they dropped a double header because of their depleted roster. Well, that's, you know what? It's probably why they got swept. But then again, opening day, what a hell of a game. But inside baseball, I mean, people were eye-rolling because, of just how reprehensible than the Nationals' actions were and leading up to all these COVID situations.

I don't believe an embarrassing situation, even if it's not your fault, is reprehensible. Okay. What is it then? How did it manifest itself? The embarrassing. How did it manifest itself? It's that, you know, it diminishes your reputation inside your business.

Do they have a pretty good reputation to start with? I tell you what, if it was your business, you'd be pissed. Uh, not if, I'd only be pissed. This is what I said to you the other day. I'd only be pissed if it happened because we weren't doing everything we could do to prevent it from happening. And how do you know that's not the case? I don't know that that's the case. That's why I qualified it the other day.

You have 30 departments in your company and 29 of them don't have a problem. Right. But one does. Right. Well, that would have been a problem for me. It wouldn't have been acceptable if one department was responsible for these COVID cases. But if we were doing everything that we were supposed to be doing, we were following all protocols, and we had these cases, I wouldn't be sitting there pointing fingers.

I wouldn't be embarrassed by it if it were my business or my organization. I would chalk it up to chance and randomness, which, by the way, is a lot of these situations. You know, a lot of people have followed every single rule for a year, and yet they got COVID. So it's certainly possible that they may have been more diligent than most teams in the league, and they got it. In March, leaving spring training, 29 teams managed to get through without a COVID case. Yeah, but you're- One didn't. That's an embarrassment. You're suggesting that the one didn't couldn't have been the one because of bad luck.

I just, I think, look, if they, if they were lucy-goosey like Baltimore was with that one, you know, assistant coach or trainer or whatever that caused their issue, that's embarrassing. That is, we don't need to do it again. You just can't. You just change, you just change sort of how you described why they should be embarrassed to an inside the baseball thing. It was an embarrassing situation. I didn't even remember they had this situation watching. opening day, didn't even think about them. Which has nothing to do with the fact that embarrassment, there's no time span on embarrassment.

In the moment, it was an embarrassing situation. So how did it manifest itself? Well, it manifested itself yesterday when they dropped a double header. Okay. Yes, but is that embarrassment? Or is that just because they lost players due to a bad luck COVID event? one, either game of which they could have won if one more of the roster was it depleted. What was that noise that you just made?

What are you doing over there? You're the one who sounds like an infirmary today. I do sound like an infirmary. I don't think anybody inside baseball is looking at the Nats going, oh, you should be so embarrassed with yourself. Because you're so familiar with the industry. You know what? The air is very thin up here. It is. Yes. Well. So opening day was awesome. You were there. Yesterday sucked. How about Strasbourg, though? How good was he? Yes, that was very encouraging and impressive and embarrassing that they wasted such a great start.

Yes. You know what? Good use of that verb. It was very, they were embarrassed for wasting that purpose. performance. Against a division rival. Against the favorites in the division. Yes. Very embarrassing. All right. Tell me about opening day.

You know, if you read some of my colleagues, opening day was a religious experience. Tom Boswell. And Barry. I mean, it was just great. It was wonderful. And how could it not be? They come back to win with a walk off. hit by the Great Juan Soto, six to five. There's fans in the stands. I mean, you know, what could be

wrong with that? It was a fabulous day, right? Yes. Opening day sucked from me. Tell me why. I mean, it was a miserable friggin' experience. Sucked. Okay. Why? Here's why. Because if I was sitting in the stands, it would have been great. It would, I mean, how could it? How could it? not be great. But I was sitting in the press box where I do my, where I do my job, okay? And based and I'm not criticizing anyone. I mean, that's, I mean, they're doing what they're supposed to do. There's all kinds of restrictions involved. And I'm not complaining about any of that. I'm just explaining the reality of it. Sitting in that press box, I felt like I was in a phone center in Omaha, on the Braskan.

Selling, selling, some sort of diet drug? Yeah. I mean, you're, you're 60 feet, six inches away from the next reporter, you know? Selling Fenn Fenn. There you go. Isn't that what Michael Scott was pushing Fenn Fenn Fenn? I forget what he was selling. Yeah.

But, you know, usually a press box, look, you know, remember how the bullpen was at the radio station. Yeah. How much fun it was. Yes. Okay, well, a newsroom is 10 times that. Really? Okay. And there's, and there's no more newsrooms left anymore. So for me, the closest thing is a press box. You get to joke with other reporters, you know, you talk about what's going on during a game. There's all kinds of interactions that take place. Well, there's none of that on opening days. Zero. Everyone's sitting in their own little isolated area, you know? And, and I mean, and then there's, this was the first sporting event I've been to where you don't have access to anybody who's playing the game, managing the game, anybody involved in the game.

I know this has been going on for more than a year now, the Zoom information practice that. happens in sports and I've experienced it at home last year for Washington football games. I would sign on and, you know, the whole Zoom thing with Ron Rivera and all that. But I wasn't there, okay? So it was such a foreign concept to me to sit in that press box and basically act like a stenographer taking down the video. I felt like a kid at home in school. I'm not in the clubhouse to see how excited these players are after a game, the celebration that's going. I'm not there before the game in the clubhouse to see what level of anxiety they have

over what they're going through. I don't have access to any of that. All I am is a stenographer sitting in a press box, taking down notes, and like fans, watching the game. That's fine if you're a fan. for me, it sucked. It was not doing my job. And if this is the way it's going to be like in the future forever,

you're not going. I mean, nobody, nobody is jumping at the chance to have reporters back hanging around them. I mean, it's not an attractive atmosphere. That's a really good point. By the way, I don't think that the PR people are, I mean, well, at some point, the PR people are going to wonder, well, if you start taking away part of my job, I'm going to be less necessary. But even the PR people who have to deal with all of the requests during the day,

and can I grab Trey Turner real quickly? I'm writing a column. It'll be easier for them without you guys there. And it has been. Yes. Yes. And I don't know if this is going to happen. The Baseball Writers Association of America is working hard to lobby baseball to make sure it's does go back at some point when things are normal to the way it was, but there's no guarantee that'll happen. And if that's the case, then I'm done. I'm out. They might as well take the press boxes and demolish them.

Or do. Turn them into seats. And use them for seating. Yeah, except they're not even in the upper deck that Max Scher was talking about yesterday, where you sit is in the upper upper deck. Yes. You were, you know, you were Michael Scott. the other day selling Fen, Fenn, and Barry and all the other guys were Vickram.

They were doing a much better job of closing sales. You were there telling stories, you know, about movies. That's it. You were doing movie reviews. You know what? Here's the thing about Die Hard 4. Die Hard 1, the original. John McLean is just this normal guy, you know.

He's just a normal New York City cop who gets his feet cut and he gets beat up. But he's an everyday guy. In Die Hard 4, he is jumping a motorcycle into a helicopter in the air. You know? He's invincible. It just sort of lost with Die Hard was. It's not Terminator. Yes.

That's exactly the way it was. So I think, honestly, when you told me the other day, I don't know if I said this to you on the podcast, but I may have. When you said how much you were looking forward to it, because you were, you were looking. You were looking forward to getting back to the ballpark for opening day. And I was like, really? First of all, that press box is way up there. Secondly, you're not going to be nearer. You like to yuck it up.

You're going to be socially distanced from everybody. It seemed like you were going to be walking into like, you know, a funeral home for all intents and purposes. Age-wise, it may be pretty close to it. And that press box. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm definitely kidding. Please, Chelsea, was Chelsea there?

She's back on the beat. It's great, but she's back on the beat. And Jesse and all the young people out there covering the team. I was talking more about the older columnists in town. And Barry's not that old. All right. But they all, it was just me.

Everybody else seemed to have a great time. for me, it wasn't doing my job. It wasn't the point of reason I was there. And again, all the joy would have been there if I had a seat in the stands and was watching the game. That would have been great. Well, I mean, here's the thing. If you were in the stadium the other day, you would have been in the lower level.

Seemed like a Diamond Club special watching it on TV. We know there wasn't anybody in the upper deck of the 14th. 8,001 that were there. What were the crowd, how'd they do yesterday? I didn't even look. I think they got the same, I think they got the same amount. Right. Like about 49, 4,800. It's still nobody in the upper deck yesterday? I don't, I don't know. I didn't notice. Right. I didn't notice when I was watching the upper day. Look, the whole, and I don't like the second guess, uh, the, the COVID restrictions too much. Because we don't really know what the hell we're doing here. So everyone's trying to, you know,

air on the side of caution, but I think they could let more people into the ballpark. Well, talk to your mayor about that. And it's ridiculous that they're not letting anyone. I'm sympathetic with Ted Leones on this. I was going to say, where are you on Ted being really outraged? They're not letting anybody inside Capital One Arena. Well, I would point out for Ted,

he should be happy to not let anyone inside to see the Wizards. but his hockey team, he wants people to come see, and I think they should do it. I'd be shocked if come to playoffs, there's not fans in the arena. Well, that would be a change of direction from from PC. I'm predicting that. I don't, you know, I would imagine because Ted does, regardless of what you think of him and you know as a as a guy that you know speaks his mind and is involved in a lot of stuff and is out there. He's a good owner and they always have a good product and they always have a really good live product for both hockey and basketball.

I'll give it to him for basketball as well in terms of, you know, what you're getting as a consumer when you go to these games. So I would imagine, you know, they have built out every possible safety, you know, measure and whatever they need to do to make that that arena compliant and safe. And I don't know why you wouldn't be able to. I don't know why people who are fully vaccinated, you know, won't be able to go to these things. I mean, and by the time we get to the playoffs, when are the playoffs? They usually start this month. Obviously, it's different this year.

I don't know when the hockey playoffs start. I think the end in a month or maybe May or something like that. a lot of people are going to be vaccinated at that point. Yes. I don't know why, you know, maybe they'll get a little bit less restrictive on some of this stuff. The one thing, and I mentioned this to you the other day, the only thing I just don't understand is how many banner raisings are we going to do? Like, can't they just wait at this point until you've got a full stadium, 41,000 strong, you know, and it's not just your, you know, premium season-deas? ticket holders who were the lucky 4,800 to 5,000 that have been there here recently.

I don't know that for a fact, Tommy. I'm guessing that I know they're all season ticket holders, and I'm guessing that those that were there for opening day the other day are, you know, important season ticket holders. I didn't read where they did it by lottery, did they? I could be wrong about that. But I'm going to guess, I don't know. I'm going to guess that they're, you know, the more important higher priced season ticket holders that were led into the building.

I don't know why they would do a banner raising for that group. Wait until you got a full house. Let's do it the right way. I told you like before, I'm off for multiple banner raisings. Okay. Hey, I wanted to just mention one thing about one of Ted's teams because we have talked about Russell Westbrook here and there this year. I didn't watch a lot of the game last night, but I turned it on.

Good God, he was good last night. Like, that was the best game Westbrook's play. terrible opponent in Orlando, but it's really amazing to watch him when he is shooting the ball well. And he's not a total turnover machine. He had 23 points, 15, assist, 14 rebounds last night. He was 8 for 11 from the floor last night, three for three on threes, and four for four from the free throw line. Like he's had some games recently, some horrendous games. He was one for six from the free throw line in a game last week. I forget who it was against.

He was, like, his three-point shooting recently has been just horrific. He shot over 72% from the floor last night and got his 20th double double, a 20th triple-double. He really is a marvel in so many ways, and nobody's able to appreciate this live. He was great last night. I mean, what a box score, and he's had some crazy-ass box scores, both positive and negative. But last night's about as efficient as he can be. And I'll tell you what, last year in Houston, he didn't shoot the ball well at all at times, especially after, you know, the COVID shut down. And he was great last night. Beale came back, whatever. I wanted to finish up the show

with this. So yesterday, I got a story. I got to tell him. Oh, you had this story about about Rock. That wasn't the story. Okay. Sorry. I forgot about your story about your son. Tell me about your son. Last night, my oldest son, Rocco and I, we watched Godzilla versus Kong on HBO Max.

This is a big deal for us. When I was growing up, when I was a little kid, monster movies, I thought they were like Citizen Kane. I thought they were the greatest thing in the world. And I was nuts about them. The whole Godzilla movies, Gorgow, the Beast from 20,000 Fathoms, all of them.

And when my kids were little, I used to watch them with them. And, you know, it was a big part of their childhood growing up, watching these old monster movies. And I can remember answering like a hundred questions during the movie from Morocco when he was like four years old about why is Godzilla doing this. and all that. So it's an emotional connection, a strong one. Okay? Yep. So to be able to watch Godzilla versus Kong, which I highly recommend, I was pleasantly surprised

at how much I enjoyed it because I did not like the second Godzilla movie or did I like Kong Skull Island. I thought they were both absurd. But this was pretty good, but it was just, I mean, I have an audio thing. This is a movie that's just out now. Yeah. Okay. I'm not a fan of these movies, so I didn't realize that that's what you're talking about. So you went to the movie theater and watched it? No, no, no. We watched it at home on HBO Max. Okay. And I have an audio tape of me watching me and my son Rocco when he was like, like I said, four, five years old, watching one of the Godzilla movies and him asking me all the questions like constantly. You've got an audio tape of that? Yeah, I just turned on the tape recorder because it was just so funny. I mean, you had a question about everything, you know, and I loved answering.

Oh, that's awesome. You know, so I just really enjoyed it, and it's one of our connections. And I know it's a goofy connection, monster movies. But I recommend to anyone out there if you like these kind of films, Godzilla versus Kong is pretty good. I love the fact that when you were watching this, and how old was he again? Five, maybe. Oh, my God. And you just flipped on the tape recorder.

So how many, when's the last time you listened to it? Oh, it's been a while. I'm going to go back and listen to it this week. Will you bring it to the show and let us listen to it on the podcast? Let me listen to it first. I'll entertain that possibility. I think that is, that's phenomenal. You know, I mean, God, we have so many, you know, videos of the kids when they were young.

Yeah, so do we do, too. Yeah, but that's pretty cool. And he's just asking, he's just, so he was into it. And he's asking one question after another at five years old. Yeah, and here he is. He's 35 years old, and he's still into it. In fact, like, it was a big deal for him to come up and watch the movie with me. That's great.

So it was great. I like that story. I wanted to finish with this. So yesterday, Zabe was on the podcast. And Zabe says to me, we're talking about Sam Darnold. And Zab says, Sam Darnold reminds me of the guy in Breaking Bad. You know, he's just lifeless and he's sort of got the same blockhead and sort of looks like him. And I said, who, Todd?

He's like, yeah, Todd. And so after in sort of post-production, I just dropped in had Aaron. and drop in a Todd clip. You know, the clip being, if you recall, when he goes, when, you know, when Jesse tried to escape, you know, in one of the final episodes in season five, when Jesse tried to escape and then they take him over to his girlfriend's house, Andrea's house, and then Todd does the thing at the front door. And hi, I'm Todd. I'm a friend of Jesse Pinkman's and she opens the door. And then, you know, 10 seconds later, poor Andrea is. is done. And so several people said, God, why did you pick that Todd drop? Well, to be honest with you,

it was like one of the only ones out there. But I was thinking to myself, well, which one do you want? The one where he shoots the kid? You know, like there aren't a lot of, you know, pleasant Todd conversations, although actually probably some of those conversations with Lydia would have been better to play. But I just, I found what I found and I put it out there. Anyway, I wanted to share that with you. But here was the other thing that somebody tweeted this to me. Wally was his name. I think it was Wally or that was his Twitter handle. And he said, I loved the fact that you had that clip in there. And he also had listened to my radio show this morning where I retold this story. And then Tommy, I went out of the show this morning playing Baby Blue, which was the final song on the season finale.

when Walter White, you know, dies, which is a great song from a band called Badfinger way back in the, I don't know, early 70s. You would know that more than that. Yes. I saw Badfinger in concert. The first concert I've ever seen in person. Oh, really? Where? 1970. They played a concert at my high school, at my high school auditorium, East Strausburg High School. I don't know why, but they did. So anyway, on the way out of the radio show this morning, I played that song and didn't, you know, several people, you know, obviously then tweeted me and said, loved how you went out with, you know, the season finale Breaking Bad song. But this tweet from Wally something, Kevin, thanks for bringing up Breaking Bad.

I've often thought this. I would love to erase my memory of Breaking Bad just so I could watch it again. And I thought to myself, God, you know, I've watched Breaking Bad probably three times through and through, you know, in terms of all this, and not necessarily in order, but I've watched a lot of the great episodes many times. But it's never the same the second time. Although, you know, there are movies that I think get better watching them over and over, but a show like Breaking Bad, which I would consider for me, the number one drama. that I've ever watched. And I know I've not seen The Wire, and it's still on my list. I think it's better than The Sopranos. I think Breaking Bad is the number one drama for me in terms of a show, and I think

Walter White's probably the greatest dramatic character. And by the way, the supporting cast, you know, we've talked about this many times in the past, but I was thinking if there was one show that you, first of all, do you agree with like erasing your memory and being able to go back and experience it again for the first time. It's not the same the second time around because you know everything that's coming. I mean, I don't know. Let's compare it to sex. Is sex better after your first time?

I don't know that it's apples and oranges. It's not the same sort of, well, maybe it is. Maybe it's the same endorphins, adrenaline, whatever. So, no, that's, I mean, I understand it, but I understand it, but. I mean, I get just, I get maybe sometimes, I get more joy watching the Sopranos now than I did when I was watching it in time. Oh, the only thing I miss is the anticipation of it, of watching it. But that's such a huge part of it. But actual watching it, I mean, I enjoy it more now knowing that what I know what's coming.

I take more pleasure in it. I don't know that, well, let me just say, I do. take pleasure in it or I wouldn't be going back and watching it again, right? Like you wouldn't continue to watch certain episodes or even certain series over and over again. You and I talk about all the time how much we love the office and how it's a comfort kind of show you watch it over and over again. But I think as far as a dramatic show, like, you know, when we've talked about Tarantino movies before, like I really think that Tarantino movies, there's so much to them that usually I get more out of it the second and the third time around. Once upon a time in Hollywood,

to me, I've watched now five times. It's so much better than the first time I watched it. And I loved it the first time that I watched it. I've mentioned many times before to me and glorious bastards is the all-time movie for me that just gets better and better every single time I watch it. But I don't know if a dramatic show like Breaking Bad where the drama isn't there, the anticipation than not knowing if you can experience it the same way again. But when I mean the anticipation, the anticipation of waiting for it to come on. Once it was on, that's a different anticipation. But waiting for that like when a soprano's was 8 o'clock Sunday night.

I couldn't wait for 8 o'clock Sunday night. Right. Well, that's not even the way I consumed Breaking Bad. I binged it. Right. But the, no, I thought you were talking about something else. Just knowing that something is coming up and having the excitement rather than being surprised, you know, because you're not surprised the second time around. Anyway, I thought that that was an interesting way to, you know, if I could erase my memory and go back and watch it again.

It was so good I wish I could erase my memory and go back and watch it again. You know, I think a lot of people have that attitude about listening to the podcast. Maybe. Maybe today they can just erase it from their memory and listen to it over and over again. We don't mind when you do that. And many of you, by the way, do that. Trust me, I can see how it is consumed. And many of you, I appreciate this, by the way, listen to various shows more than once.

I don't know if I told you this, but I got this thing. from my podcast platform, you know, provider last football season, or maybe it was two football seasons ago. I think it was two football seasons ago. And they said, it was, oh, it was, remember when Washington beat Dallas in 2019, the Cowboys missed a field goal at the end and, you know, it was the, it was the Alex Smith year. That was the first year. That was 2018. 2018. Yeah, that was the first year I did the podcast I wasn't doing radio. At the end of that year, like it was almost January or February, and I get this call from this guy. He's like, why is your show from this particular date way up in numbers this week? I'm like, I have no idea. What's the date? And I went back and looked at it.

It was the day after the cowboy win. It was like the recap show that it was probably Cooley and I doing it, or it could have been you and me doing it. I don't remember now. It probably was the two of us doing it. The recap show, the Monday after, it was like February. It was several months afterwards and there was like this huge spike. So to all of you that like do that, I appreciate that. And by the way, that actually helps us. It really does help us. You know, I still have people listening to the Jay Gruden podcast. Those numbers are just climbing. It's going to be the Jay Gruden podcast, it'll be in the top 10 podcast that we've

ever done here when it is all said and done in numbers, and people are still discovering that. And then last week, Tommy, I did a long interview with Billy Packer. He was great. He is so sharp at 81 years old, great

memory, and I've noticed just every single day the numbers on that continue to go up. So I don't know why I'm sharing this with you, but it actually don't think, that if you, you know, a lot of this stuff obviously is dated, but a lot of it isn't. Like the conversation with Billy Packer, if you haven't heard that interview, I would urge you to go back and listen to it. He was great. If you're a college basketball fan, if you're an older college

basketball fan in particular, he just had great stories. He told so many great stories about Al McGuire. Did you know that they didn't like it? He couldn't stand Al McGuire. I didn't know that. Al McGuire apparently was very aloof. very distant, very hard to get along with. And then he told this story about how on Easter Sunday at the final four in St. Louis in 1970-something, he went to Mass at some church near the arch in St. Louis. And he was walking up to communion and Maguire was there in the front row. That was the first real conversation.

they'd been working together for like a year and a half or two years. And McGuire comes out and he says to Billy Packer, he said, hey, you want to go get, you know, lunch? And Billy was like, yeah, sure. So they walked down by like this pier where this boat is on the river. And Al McGuire walks on and acts as if he's some sort of health inspector there to inspect this situation on the boat. So they, you know, he didn't flash anything. he just act like he knew what he was doing. And he walked in and he said, can I see your kitchen?

And he walks down to the kitchen and he said, can you make me, can you make us a sandwich? And they made, they made Billy and Al McGuire sandwiches. And they walked out of there and said, thank you very much. We'll get the report back to you, you know, in a few days. And he walks out of there with Billy Packer. And he said, not bad for cheap lunch.

But there are like so many other of those stories. that Packer told. And look, if you're an old-time ACC fan, in particular basketball fan, totally worth it. You know, he talked about the differences. You know, I said which was the bigger upset, Villanova over Georgetown or NC State over Houston? He called both of those games. Nobody called more Final Four games as an analyst than Billy Packer over literally a four-decade period. That's a long run, you know?

That's a pretty long. You and I are only on decade number two together. Actually, that's not true. We're on decade number three together. We started in 2009. Yeah. Yeah. So this is our third decade working together.

We just have one more ago. All right. Cooley will be with me tomorrow. So tune in for that. We'll talk some football. We'll talk about this Trey Lance thing with Cooley tomorrow and anything else that pops up from the rest of the day. Have a great day, great evening, if you're into the golf, enjoy it back tomorrow.