The Kevin Sheehan Show - Aiyuk Asks For Trade; What Next?

Episode Date: July 16, 2024

Kevin and Thom today opened with talking about the news that 49ers WR Brandon Aiyuk officially requested to be traded today. Will Washington be interested? Should they be? And will the Niners actually do it? The boys also discussed Joe Gibbs' ranking on a "Top 10 NFL Coaches Of All Time" list. Plenty on the HR Derby anthem disaster last night, tonight's MLB All-Star game, Kevin's NFL legend encounter, and more. Download the PrizePicks app today and use code Sheehan for a first deposit match up to $100! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it. You don't need it. But you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Cheon Show. Here's Kevin. Tommy's here. I am here. The show, as always, is presented and sponsored by Window Nation.

Call them at 86690 Nation. We're head to Window Nation.com. Mention my name for a free in-home estimate. It happens every once in a while that I finish the radio show, which I was back on radio today, Tommy. And then a fairly big story breaks. That would have been a story that I would have talked about on radio, but I was off radio.

And so the first chance to talk about Brandon Ayuk requesting a trade officially from the 49ers here on the podcast. We can talk about it here first. I mean, I know some people got sick of the Brandon Iuk. discussion. But according to lots of different reports, Mike Garifolo from the NFL network, 49ers all-pro wide receiver Brandon Ayuk has officially requested a trade after an offseason of unsuccessful attempts to reach an extension. Despite a recent meeting, the Niners haven't been willing to engage in negotiations since May, so Ayuk has respectfully asked out.

How you doing, Tommy? I'm doing great, buddy. How are you doing today? I'm doing okay. I've got a story to tell you here shortly that I actually think you'll be interested in because it goes way back in the day football-wise. But what do you make of the player now officially requesting that he get traded? Well, you know, in the old days maybe, and not that old days,

just not too recent, distant past. I would have blown this guy off. He's more trouble than he's worth. He's a diva. But I have come to the realization, and I'm comfortable with it now, that all wide receivers for the most part are divas. And this is just typical behavior.

You know, so they all come with baggage. They all need to be stroked, and they all have issues. So I'm not going to like that in a way. would want this guy on my team, especially if I had a young quarterback who felt sympathetic with him like Jane Daniels does. Yeah.

So I like the player a lot. In the last couple of months have been, you know, a little bit off-putting with him, to be honest with you. We've talked about it a little bit on the show. I mean, you know, the way. But that's the way they do business. It's the position. Yeah.

I guess I'm being a little bit. protective or sensitive to just how he's used Washington and Jaden Daniels in particular in his efforts to be out there publicly in whatever he was strategically trying to accomplish. I think he's a great wide receiver. I think he's a top 10 wide receiver. I, you know, not to sound all like Doc here, but I think Doc would be 100% right. And I would agree with him if he said, look, does he make you better? Does he help you win? Does he make it easier for the quarterback?

Well, then, yeah, of course you should be interested. And that's why I would be interested. He would be the best wide receiver on the team if they traded for him. If they kept Terry McLorn, which I would not give up Terry McLorn as part of a trade for Brandon Ayyuk. That combination for Jaden Daniels, along with Brian Robinson Jr. and Austin Eccann-Dotson and a really creative, we hope. Offensive mind? What if you had to trade Dotson?

You'd be okay with that, right? For Brandon Ayyuk, of course. I mean, it would take more than just John Dotson, yes. It would take more than that, but if they named a player. Yeah. And they wanted somebody who could replace them at wide receiver that Kyle felt he could develop. Yeah, IUC's a proven commodity.

I mean, Iyuk was one of the best wide receivers in the league last year, average the most yards per reception for all receivers with over 70 catches last year. You know, only the best receivers catch 70 plus balls. So you're comparing them to the best in the game. You know, when we first started to talk about Brandon Ayuk, maybe two, three, four months ago, whenever it was, I'm not sure a lot of the people listening, you know, especially those that primarily focus on our team. I don't think they realized how good. he is. And I think in recent months you've seen a lot written and a lot discussed about IUC where, you know,

most NFL observers consider him to be a top 10 wide receiver and a truly high level, maybe not at the Jefferson Chase to re-kill level, but in that next group, you know, somewhere from four or five to nine or to ten. And, you know, I would want that kind of a player, especially given the relationship he has with Jaden Daniels and the need for Daniels to have as many weapons as possible. So I would be totally into it from that standpoint from just a he would help you on the field. But I think his behavior and the way he's handled this has been, you know, a bit disturbing, a bit of a red flag. as it relates to him. But everything I've read about him,

and I've had people on from San Francisco, I forget whether or not it was the podcast or the radio show, and everybody in San Francisco swears by him as a character guy, as a locker room guy. You know, I wouldn't give up more than, say, a second and a conditional mid-rounder because I got to rip up his contract and pay him a top-five contract, which I've got plenty of cap space to do it.

But I'd be hesitant. because of the way he's handled this. But I wouldn't say no. Like I'd want to know, you know, what is he really like? What's he going to be like when he gets into the locker room? And that's only something that Adam Peters and company would be able to know. With all of that said, Tommy, I still am sticking with the position I've had all along. And that is, he won't get traded.

And they will eventually reach a deal with him. He's just too valuable to what they want, which is to win a Super Bowl in 2024. I mean, they were super close last year losing an overtime to the Kansas City Chiefs in the Super Bowl. They're the favorites in the NFC heading into this year. He was arguably their best pass catcher, and that would include Kittal and McCaffrey. But you take Brandon Ayuk off that team, and it's not as good. And their chances to win it all aren't the same. And so I just don't see the 49ers saying, yeah, we're going to trade our best receiver.

I don't, you know, in a year in which we're trying to win the Super Bowl for a second and a fifth round pick or a second and a fourth round pick. I saw this guy, Nick Wagoner, Nick covers the 49ers. He's the Kime equivalent for ESPN. And he tweeted out that the last four contracts to the other big stars for the 49ers, he gave the dates on when those contracts got done. August 13th for Kittle, July 21st for Fred Warner, July 31st for Debo Samuel, September 6th for Bosa. So we're not even at, you know, we're five days away from the earliest they did a deal with any of those four-star players, July 21st. I just think it doesn't make sense to me why the 49ers would trade Brandon Ayyuk.

And so I don't think that they're going to trade him regardless of whether or not he's requested a trade. They don't have to trade him. And if he holds out, it's going to cost him a lot of money. And those fines now for missing camp and missing, you know, mandatory days are not, you know, offsetable. Or they're not, you know, you can't wipe them clean anymore per the last collective bargaining agreement. So I don't see it happening. And by the way, if it did happen, there are other teams that would be very interested. and there's no saying that Washington would be the team that would get them or even be interested.

We know that there was reports from a month ago or around draft time that they were interested, but they dropped their interest and maybe that's because of the asking price. Look, the 49ers aren't going to have a lot of leverage in a trade. They're going to be sitting there going, we've got a player that's not showed up at camp, and we're in a contract squabble, and we're not willing to pay him what he wants, And I can't, there's no way somebody's paying a first rounder for him. I don't see that. But Josina Anderson reported that the Patriots reached out to the 49ers recently

about a potential trade for IUC. And they were told that he wasn't being traded. That was in the last couple of weeks. I don't think they'll trade him. I still think he ends up playing for the 49ers this year. either on that fifth year, $14 million-plus-dollar option year or on a brand-new deal. I think he plays for the 49ers as well. I mean, he's not going to cost himself that much money by sitting out like before the season starts.

That would be so absurd. I mean, he needs to go out there and show something this year to get paid. you know so uh so no i don't see the 49 49ers i mean 49ers have i have all the leverage you know the 49ers i mean they need him but uh but they're not going to trade him the justin jefferson deal certainly didn't help the 49ers the just the the jefferson deal was so much beyond any of the other wide receiver deals, you know, 110 million guaranteed. That was basically $26 million more in guaranteed money than A.J. Brown got. It was 38 million more than Tariq Hill got. It was 33 million more than

Amon Ross St. Brown just signed for in terms of guaranteed money. That deal did not help deniers at all. They would have been much better off not waiting and being more aggressive in trying to sign IUC before some of these receivers signed. But he's not Justin Jefferson. I think he is Amon Rae St. Brown who's making $30 million a year. I think he is Jalen Waddle and maybe more. And Waddle's making 28.25 per year and got $76 million guaranteed. Nico Collins, the young wide receiver from Houston, you know,

just signed a deal that's paying him $24.something million. I think he's in the 28 to 30 range, which puts him right in that top five. And we know what happens with contracts. You know, he'll sign his deal. And two years from now, he'll be like the 11th highest paid receiver in the game. But I'm not as bullish on trading for him as I was a couple of months ago. But at the same time, the player, he's really good. and it's not

you know for those that would say well you're not ready to win now understood but hopefully you're going to be ready to win two years from now and at that point you know Brandon Ayuk's going to be dead set in the middle of his prime

and in the middle of his contract I mean and he would have grown with the young quarterback yes I mean that does it would be a tremendous this asset for Jane Daniels to have a weapon like him.

Tremendous support for the young quarterback. Here's an interesting angle. If it were to happen, Washington trades for Brandon Ayyuk. Again, I don't think it will, but if it did. Man, Adam Peters, I mean, he's, I mean, we talked about this when he got hired, that with this particular hiring, you were going to know sooner rather than later because of the number two overall pick, because of all the money that they had in free agency, all of the cap space, etc. You were going to get a quicker read on whether or not they got the right guy because of all that he had at his disposal.

You know, all of the dry powder that he had and he walked into. You throw a Brandon Ayuk trade on top of that because he knows the player so well. that player better perform, better live up to or exceed the deal, or you'd look at the guy that knew him the best. Are you ready to crown Adam Peters before his team even takes the field? No, not at all. Okay. Why? What did I say that made you?

No, I'm just saying it would add another layer of, we're going to know in two to three. years max as to whether or not Adam Peters was the right hire. The quarterback, I would agree with that. Free agency, all the cap space. And then if you added to that, a player that he was super familiar with and he traded for that player, you would certainly expect that if Adam Peters decided to trade for Brandon Ayyuk, that's the most information he would have on any player on the roster pretty much. and he'd have to that one would have to work out injuries are always a big part of it

and look if he got the quarterback wrong then you could blame that but with Brock Purdy he's been outstanding yeah you know training camp for the team for Washington starts next week right rookies

rookies this week rookies on Thursday and training camp with everybody there a week from today a week July 23rd. Yeah. You know, it's funny.

I always think about Terry McCloran, and he is, he's so non-diva, you know, compared to all these other wide receivers. Like, I haven't watched the show, the wide receiver show yet. I haven't either. I heard it's great. Yeah, I heard it's great, so I'm going to watch it.

But, you know, Terry McClureens would be a contrast to most of the rest. to most of the receivers in the league. I mean, he is, he's stand up, quiet, do your job. A guy who hasn't complained about the quarterback's that he's had throwing him the ball since he's been here. He had every right to complain about them.

Yeah, you know, you say that, and it's like my first reaction was to agree with it, and then I'm just looking at basically, you know, the best receivers in the game. and Justin Jefferson's not a diva. Amon Rae St. Brown's not a diva. Cooper Cup isn't. DJ Moore isn't.

Devante Smith certainly isn't. Amari Cooper certainly isn't. Terry McLorn isn't. Mike Evans isn't. I guarantee you Marvin Harrison Jr. isn't going to be a diva more likely than not. I mean, I don't know. He seems very reserved in personality.

Allen and Williams There are a lot of receivers that aren't these guys I think if you dig up on these guys I don't know I think you'll find a lot of them not Mike Evans but I think a lot of them you would find something

I mean Tarreek Hill I mean CD Lamb AJ Brown can be a bit of a pain in the ass I think at times Stefan Diggs of course I mean, I'm going through just the list of the top pass catchers from the last couple of years.

They're just, actually, it's not, I think just a few end up sort of making everybody think it's all of them. I mean, there are a lot of guys like Terry. There are. But Terry's great. Justin Jefferson, on cursing out Kirk Cousins, people are blowing it out of proportion. You can find stuff on all these guys.

Yeah, I mean, but receivers, I mean, yeah, I mean, I can tell you this. I did see the one clip of Devante Adams. Justin Jefferson criticizes offense after Sunday's lost the rounds. Yeah. Justin Jefferson's been an absolute angel of a player in Minnesota.

I mean, he is, everything you'd want in your best player on a team. But I did see the clip of Devante Adams after Jimmy Garfalo overthrew him. I got to get out of here. I'm going to get killed. Yeah. I think that's going to be an interesting thing as we approach the regular season. Is there a possible deal sending him to the Jets?

I mean, he went to the Raiders because his college teammates, and friend in quarterback at Fresno, Derrick Carr was there. And then Derrick Carr left. And he got Jimmy Garoppolo. And the Purdue quarterback last year, who actually didn't play that poorly. Anyway, netting it out, I honestly would benefit of the doubt, Kev, would trust Washington if they traded for him. I would be excited about it because I know what kind of a player. he is. But I don't think he's getting traded. But if they didn't trade, if they didn't trade for him,

you'd be okay with that too, right? At this point, yeah. And I would have been at that, at this point anyway, because I, because no, because even before he has, I think, diminished his stature to a certain degree by going way too public. And then, you know, printing out the picture of Washington's practice from the All-22 on TikTok was really ridiculous. You know, there's no state secret being revealed there, but you shouldn't do that. And you should have enough common sense not to do it, especially the quarterback that you're exposing there

in where you got this from is a rookie and your friend. I think I would know better than to put something out there that, you know, would make a friend of mine who's less successful. experienced in the ways of NFL PR, which, by the way, Jaden Daniels has been through the, I mean, he played at LSU. He's used to everything. I mean, that fan base is about as demanding as any other. I can speak from experience. He has a PR team. Yes, you can. You've heard from them. He's familiar with the art of public relations.

Absolutely. What do you think, Kyle, and to even a more humorous extent, Mike would think about his little act, you know, posting the commander's film on his social media. I would bet that's one where somebody probably said something to him. Yes. You know, look, you handle the contract situation any way you want. Our preference would be for it to stay between us, although, you know, the report today is that they actually haven't had a negotiation since May. But you can't, you know, even if you're... your friend came to you to ask for some help and looking at film and you're helping a friend of

yours out, you can't post their all 22 still on TikTok. I mean, we wouldn't, we wouldn't want somebody doing that from our practice. No, they, I can't imagine they'd be happy about it, but at the same time, nothing was truly revealed there. I don't think. I know. Yeah. Well, All right, we'll see where this goes. I hope he comes here. I think it'd be exciting. And again, I think people underestimate the importance of weapons and support for the young quarterback. You got to get, look, I know a lot of people are saying, start with the offensive line, Shian.

Well, they tried to trade up into the first round, and there are no offensive linemen right now truly available. They're going in with what they have. We'll see how it works out. We'll see if the coordinator... Yeah, I mean, we'll see if the coordinator and quarterback make a big difference in how we perceive the offensive line. Especially coordinator. I mean, you know, you were right. You said that early on, and you're right about that, that while the offensive line,

because the offensive line has been an issue continuously with this franchise of recently, and I've been guilty as this as anybody, you know, to take them the task, you know, first and foremost. But Eric Pienemy was literally out of control last year. I mean, you know, with his play calling. And it's hard to judge what we saw based on his offense. Yeah, I think we've, you know, we've certainly, we certainly talked about Eric Biont. enough after the fact. I think the fact that he's not even in the league anymore

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Denton came into the beginning of the show with some of what you just heard, and I said, that kind of sounds like somebody who may have been medicated. Well, she put out a post this afternoon on social media, quote, I'm not going to bullshit, y'all.

I was drunk last night. night. I'm checking myself into a facility today to get the help that I need. That was not me last night. Andres also extended an apology to Major League Baseball sports fans in the entire country for her performance. I'll let you all know how rehab is. I hear it's super fun, closed quote. She's a country singer. She's been nominated for four Grammy Awards. I'm not a country music. I'm not a country music. person, so I admit I had never heard of this person. I wasn't watching it. I just saw it on social media and on TV early this morning. Do you believe her? I don't know if I believe her or not. I never heard of her either, but how good of a country

western singer can she be if she can't sing drunk? Good point. Really? Yeah. I mean, that's part of That's one of the job requirement. Well, for almost any musical genre, actually. Yeah, but for country western, you know, honky tonk, that whole thing. Let me tell you something. Tommy Purify could handle it drunk. I'll tell you that. I'll tell you what.

K. Sheen would be much better hammered if he tried to sing than he would sober. I can't sing at all. But, yeah, I would imagine, well, you know, look, if she really does have a problem, wish her the best and get some help. But it, you know, when you perform that, and it, she did, she, look, she sounded and she looked impacted. So I'm, I'm kind of in the camp of believing her. But after a performance like that, and apparently she's getting ready to go on a tour, it probably, you know, But somebody close to probably said, you got to say you were drunk.

You got to say you were sick or something. She got crucified. Yeah. You got crucified, not just on social media, but on talk shows, TV shows, everywhere. Yeah. You know, people who didn't even know there was a baseball event last night found out that she sang the national anthem. Right. I did not watch the home run derby, but we can talk a little bit about the All-Star game and the Home Run Derby.

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Right. I understand. So if he strikes out, if he gets three outs, you're not going to see him face Aaron Judge. It's probably going to be batting forth. And that's a little bit disappointing. But it'll be exciting. There's 68 All-Stars, 34 on each team.

There's 39 first-time All-Star players. I don't know if that's a record, but that seems like a lot. Say it again. Total number of players? There are 68 players in the game on the roster. More than half. 39 of them are there for the first time. Well, more than half.

Now, that would seem to be a good thing for baseball. That has so many young stars, unless you look at it a different way, saying they don't have enough established stars. They've got to fill the gas with young stuff. I'm going to say it's a good thing that they have 39 first-time All-Stars. and certainly the nationals have are two of those 39 with C.J. Abrams

who's having one of the top seasons this year in the National League among short stops and Kyle Finnegan they're great closer you know, for the match who's been lights out for them this year. So it's always fun. I remember when I was a

Metz fan and the Mets were bad, post-ceiver. And the only met, you know, that was when maybe one player from your team would make it. I remember Lima Zilly made it once, and it was a big deal to me. You know, Lima, he hit a home run, a 300-foot home run in the 77 All-Star game in Seattle, and I thought that was a big deal. So when your team's bad, I think that you really look forward to getting a glit. himself the one or two guys that make the team.

Right. Definitely. I would imagine for like old-time senators fans, and, you know, I've told you before, I remember the senators kind of final season in 71. And I remember my father, and I've said this to you before, but I remember one game specifically, my father taking me to see the first game that Denny McLean pitched for the senators. And we came out. into the RFK parking lot and the car wasn't there. That's a, that's a traumatic memory, but also a great memory as a kid. But I would imagine that Frank Howard, wasn't he like, I'm looking it up right now, but wasn't he basically in the All-Star game every year for senators' teams that were terrible? He probably was. I mean, he had a four-year run that was

as powerful at the plate as anybody in baseball at that time. You know, 44, 45 home runs a year, you know, driving over 100 runs. And he had his best years when Ted Williams was there as the manager. 68, 69, 70, 71. Four straight years. But Frank Howard, Frank Howard would have been an all-star, no matter what. team he played on. He wasn't just a token, Senator, All-Star. Right.

You know, I mean, you know, so sometimes you've got to pick one player from every team, so you pick a guy who maybe had the best season who wouldn't normally make the team. Frank Howard was never that. He was an All-Star no matter what. Yeah, I'm looking at because he was a big-time home run hitter. So in 1970, he was second. in the big leagues behind Johnny Bench with 44 home runs. In the final year in D.C., 71, um,

oh, okay, he had 26 homers. He was 19th. But 69 was the year that they went 500, or they finished over 500, right? With Ted Williams in his first year. Yes. That was like the best regular season they had had. And Frank Howard hit 48 homers,

and that was one behind. Harmon Killebrew and one ahead of Reggie Jackson. And how about this? Three ahead of Willie McCovey and four ahead of Hank Aaron. That's your top five in 1969 home runs. Killebrew, Frank Howard, Reggie Jackson, Willie McCovee, and Hank Aaron. Wow. You know, the key to Frank Howard in those great years, and we've talked about this before,

and he would tell me about this when we used to talk. is what Ted Williams got there, he gave Frank grief for not walking enough, not being more selective at the plate. He felt like Frank Howard should have gotten 100 walks a year. And Frank did not walk much. I think the most he ever had before Ted got there with 60 walks in a season. But then Ted's first year, he had 102 walks. The second year, Frank Howard led the league with 132 walks.

Wow. And that's the year that he had, he played the league at home runs and RBI that year as well. Ted Williams, I mean, they didn't win the division. They didn't, you know, win the 90 games. What did they finish that year? Third in the division? I think so. The Orioles.

They were in the same division with the Orioles. Yeah, that was the last year of the American League and National League before they split. put it up into East and West divisions. 68 was the last, you know, where, I mean, you couldn't make... 68 was the last year. 69 was the first year of the divisions. Yes, yes. And the senators finished 86 and 76, and that was considered to be an incredible season

for what had been a very downtrodden franchise. And by the way, this was the new senators, because the old senators moved to Minneapolis in 1961 and became the twins. And by the way, Harmon Killebrew was a Minnesota twin. But the 86 and 76 in 1969 was good for fourth place and 23 games behind the Orioles who won 109 games. The Tigers finished second. The Red Sox finished third.

They did finish ahead of the Yankees in 1969. Yeah, that Orioles team is the one that got beat by the Mets. five games in the World Series. Right, the 69 Mets. Yeah, the Miracle Mets. That had to be one of your favorite teams. Oh, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. No, that was a hell of a year if you were a New York sports fan.

The Jets, the Nets, and the NICs. Yeah. Wow. All winning championships that year. So, yeah, I'm looking forward to watching the All-Star game tonight. Well, the All-Star game will be played. in the hometown of the team that was the Senators, the Texas Rangers. What I was going to say is, as far as tonight goes,

like if you have to wait a while for C.J. Abrams, you can still, you know, check out the Nats because Harper, Trey Turner, and Juan Soto are all in this, are all in the starting lineup tonight. I used to love the All-Star game as a kid. It was like it was truly, you know, the midsummer, classic. It was a tradition for sports fans, whether you were a big baseball fan or not. And I have not gotten into the All-Star game in recent years, but for those of you that,

you know, are looking for a reason to watch it, Paul Skeens, the rookie pitcher from the Pirates, is the reason to watch it. He is 6-0 with a sub-2 ERA, and he is doing things that it's been a long time that baseball's seen a rookie pitcher do. So just one inning. You know, from 59 to 62, they played two All-Star games a season. What? Yeah. To raise money for the players' pension fund, they played two All-Star games a season for three years.

Really? Well, four years. Yeah. And then they gave it up because it kind of watered down the program. product. Huh. Well, that's... Yeah.

That sounds good. Yeah, that's a little known fact. Yeah. I was looking at the 81 All-Star Game Box because that was when, you know, Fernando Mania was going on. He only pitched one inning, gave up two hits. But in that same game, Jack Morris, the starter, pitched two innings.

Like, I think some of these starting pitchers used to pitch two in All-Star games. Well, some of them used to pitch three. Okay. some of the starters used to pitch three before they came out. All right. Well, I'll watch tonight. I mean, there's nothing else to do, right?

Nothing else to do other than watch. I mean, we could turn on some WNBA. The Mystics played earlier today. Why did I say that? Because they played a game on a Tuesday at 11 a.m. And the reason was, I guess they've done this before, they gave like summer camps a chance to have like a field trip to a game on a camp day. I actually thought that was a pretty good idea for the WNBA. Yes.

So I wanted to tell you a quick story about something that happened to me the other night. So we were coming back from New Jersey on Sunday night. Sunday afternoon, Sunday evening. And we stopped at a place that we've gone to before, just south of Baltimore, just right around. God, a bunch of people tweeted me because I told this story this morning on radio because they've been to the restaurant. They know the restaurant.

Are you familiar with G&M? It's like a restaurant lounge, but great seafood, great cat crab cakes, known for that. So the town, Joe Arrow sent me a text, Lynthicum Heights, Maryland. So it's kind of near Glenn Bernie, you know, in the BWI exit, you know, area. So we were hungry and I, at first I'm like, should we go to Mikes in Annapolis and get crabs? And we're like, no, let's just go to that place that we went to a couple years ago. This was like the second or third time we've been to the place. So we walk in and this is the kind of place, by the way, you would love. Because it's, it is an old style kind of loungeish kind of a restaurant, totally casual. It's all about the food.

And you walk in and we get seated and the table next to me, there was, there were three people. There was like a husband-wife, they were older. They were in their 70s. And a younger guy that was, you know, probably around 60 years old sitting across from them. And I looked at them real quickly, and I immediately recognized the guy that was, you know, by himself on the other side talking to this couple. And then, you know, you kind of overheard the conversation. They were talking a lot about football and sports. And I said to Kara, I'm like, God, I know this guy. I cannot place it for the life of me. But I know this guy.

I think I did a show with him. I think he's a former Maryland quarterback. But I'm like, I usually know Maryland quarterbacks. I know what Frank Blake looks like. I know what Boomer looks like. I know what Stan Gelball looks like. But I like maybe was a Maryland receiver or I was stuck on he was a former Maryland player or maybe even like was part of the basketball program as a trainer or a strength guy, whatever.

He looked at me at one point and I just kind of turned away. I didn't want to bother anybody. But it was driving me crazy because I wanted to know who he was. So I was sitting there and I had a hat on. The hat that I was wearing is my Capitol's hat. I have a Capitol's hat because it fits really well. I got sent a Capitol's hat. It fit really well.

I like hats that fit well. And I'm not a massive Caps fan, but I had that hat on. I can't believe you weren't wearing a D.C. gray's hat. I have several D.C. gray's hats, and I wear them all the time. But anyway, as he got up and they were leaving the table, he walks by, he puts his hand on my shoulder, and he goes, I hope Ovechkin has a big year next year. And I said, at first I'm like, Ovechkin, what are you talking about? Like, I didn't realize that that I had on.

And then it hit me real quickly, and I just said, I'm sorry, but I know you. And he goes, yeah, and he kind of looked at me, he goes, yeah. And I said, did we do a show together? I could have sworn that I'd done a show with him. Like, I'd done some sort of Maryland show with him. And he goes, what do you mean, a show? And I said, were you a guest on a radio show at any point or a co-host? And he goes, no, no, no.

He goes, I'm Sean Landetta, the punter in the NFL for all of those years. And I'm like, oh, my God, of course. I mean, I didn't mean it like, of course I should have known. He went to Tows. He went to Towson, and he's from Baltimore. So, Sean Landetta, by the way, you know, 43 years old when he retired from the NFL, 43, he had a 22. Should be a Hall fame punter.

Nah, I looked up everything. He's one of the greatest punters in the history of the game, but there are a couple of others between Ray Guy and Sean Landeta. But he's, like on Gil Brant's list, he's number five. fifth greatest punter of all time. 22-year career, but I said, of course I remember you. You kicked for the Giants during the heyday of Redskins Giants. He goes, oh, my God, that was the best one.

And he goes, oh, RFK Stadium. Because, you know, whenever you talk to fans of any of the other division teams or players of the other division teams or even writers, they're like, oh, man, RFK, you probably get that. from writers that covered those games back in the day. There was just no place like RFK Stadium for a game. And so we talked briefly and I said, I'm glad I introduced myself and he said,

yeah, nice to meet you too. And then the couple that he was sitting with, they walked back into the restaurant. I think maybe they forgot something at the table. And he goes, he said, you want to meet somebody? And I said, yeah. He goes, I'm going to introduce you to the guy. that was the first kicker in NFL history to win the Super Bowl on a game-winning field goal.

And I said, that's Jim O'Brien? And he goes, he's like, oh, my God, you really know your stuff. And I go, that's the first Super Bowl. I remember the Colts beating the Cowboys and Jim O'Brien wearing number 80 as a kicker, kick the field goal to win what was a horrible Super Bowl game. Anyway, he introduces me. I introduced them to Kara. And he was with his wife.

She was lovely. And he was super nice. And I said, I, I of course remember you. I go, I'm a Redskins fan and grew up a Redskins fan. But I'll tell you that the first Super Bowl I remember watching was Super Bowl 5. And I said, I'm sure you know the answer to this. But let's see if Sean knows the answer. to this. There's something, I said, very unique about Super Bowl 5. In terms of the MVP,

do you know what it was? And he just, Sean Landeta goes, oh, man, you can't stump me. He goes, Chuck Halley. Chuck Halley was the only player from a losing team to ever win the MVP in Super Bowl. And so when I said that, and Sean Landeta goes, and I said, yep, Chuck Callie, the wife says to me, you realize why he won the MVP and Jim didn't. And I said, tell me. And she said, because back then they voted for the MVP before the game was over. They voted for it midway through the fourth quarter. The score was tied.

And so they voted for Chuck Halley in the fourth quarter of a tie game. And Jim O'Brien, had they waited until the end of the game, probably would have won the MVP. Yeah, it wasn't a stellar Super Bowl. A lot of mistakes. Terrible Super Bowl, right? And one of your all-time favorite players actually didn't catch a touchdown pass in that game. Yes, he did. John Mackey had a touchdown.

Jim O'Brien had three field goals, I think. Jim O'Brien had one field goal and they missed the extra point on another, so he missed an extra point in the game. I don't know. It could have been a flub. snap or whatever. I'm just looking at the box score. But he had a 32-yard field goal with two, I think two seconds left, and they beat the Cowboys 16 to 13 in Miami. Yeah. Yeah, the old Baltimore Colts. So Sean Landetta, great punter. I mean, I looked up everything because I was

like, he was really around for a while because when I said, you know, you were with the Giants forever. He goes, yeah, but I was with the Rams and I kicked in Philadelphia for a lot of of years too. I remember him with the Eagles. Of course. Yeah. Yeah. And now you're right. There's a lot of other punters under consideration as well. Yeah. He's looked it up. But he was a great punter. You know? Yes. There's only one punter in the Hall of Fame and that's Ray Guy. Yeah, that's it. The only two kickers that were just kickers, Jan Stennerud and Morton Anderson. George Blanda and Lou Groza are in the Hall of Fame, but Blanda was a quarterback and Groza was a tackle. So only two true kickers and only one punter in the Hall of Fame.

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They've got a lot of NFL experts and analysts on that site. they put together a list of the top 10 coaches of all time. This was a story written by NFL analyst Dan Pizzuda. And there was a name in here that would not have been here a few years ago. That's for sure. But I'll start with number one. Do you have any issue with Bill Belichick being the greatest coach of all time is number one? No, I don't.

I don't either. I don't. I'm not swayed by the performance of the team without Brady. I probably should be more than I have been. But I also remember Bill Belichick is one of the great defensive coordinators and great defensive minds working under Parcells. I remember him with a backup quarterback the year Brady got hurt. The quarterback's name is escaping. Matt Castle.

Matt Castle. Good job. Matt Castle came in and led the Patriots to an 11-5 record. I have no problem with Belichick as number one. Number two on this list is Vince Lombardi. Do you have any problem with that? No. What made you hesitate?

Well, because, I mean, my top three could be, I would box that trifecta for my top three. I'd put them in any order. I know who your top three. I know who your number three is. Paul Brown, isn't it? Who is it? No.

Oh, okay. No, I'll tell you who it is if you want. Yeah. It's Gibbs. You got Gibbs at number three. Yes, I'm sorry. But three different Super Bowls with three different quarterbacks. And when we keep talking about the argument,

about Belichick and Brady is who gets the most credit. Well, there's no such argument with Gibbs. It doesn't exist. No. Almost all these coaches have a Brady throughout most of their career to take them to the Super Bowls, not Gibbs.

Well, I will tell you that Don Shula, who would be Walsh's three on this list, Shula's four, Hallis is five, Noel is six, Landry's seven, Gibbs is eight,

Paul Brown is nine, and Andy Reed... Paul Brown would be four for me. Yeah, I remember you're a big fan of him. Andy Reed is 10. For Bill Belichick, Paul Brown would be number one. I know.

I know how, what do he thinks of Paul Brown? Yeah. And Andy Reed is 10, and before Patrick Mahomes, Andy Reid wouldn't have sniffed the top 20. and probably not the top 25. But he had the great quarterback.

You know, Landry, you know, look, I think Shula, for me, in my era of watching the NFL, so that takes me out of the Lombardi conversation, the Hallis conversation, and the Paul Brown conversation. I think Shula consistently did more with less than any coach of his day. you know David Woodley was his starting quarterback in Super Bowl 17 against the Redskins David Woodley was terrible of his time

Earl Moral was the quarterback when they went to Super Bowl 3 most of the time Shua had the best quarterback one of the best quarterbacks in the history of football I know but he didn't win but he only went to one Super Bowl with Marino I know I know

I think that's an indictment. But they were always great without Marino. I mean, they won multiple Super Bowls with Greasy, obviously. But Greasy was not an elite quarterback of the day. He was a good quarterback, right? But you wouldn't, I mean, it was more about their defense. They ran an offense where he threw 15 times the game. Exactly.

They had one year where they had 2,000-yard rushers. Right. Zonka and Mercury Morris. Exactly. Yeah, kick, Zonka and Mercury Morris. Two 1,000 yard backs. And what did kick do? In the same season.

In the same season. I think kick had over 600 yards. Right. Yeah, Shula to me, I always felt like in the days where a lot of the in-game strategy clock management stuff, he was always the best at that. The best at that. I just always thought Shula was the best of the day. I actually think that Gibbs is ahead of Walsh, and I'd put him ahead of Hallis, and I'd put him ahead of Nol, and I'd put him ahead of Landry. You know, I actually think Parcells has a case to be a top 10 coach of all time. But the reason I'd probably put him ahead of

Walsh is because of what you said, and we all know. I mean, Walsh had Montana. Walsh had Rice. You know, Gibbs had Thaisman and then Doug Williams and then Mark Rippin. And by the way, when Stan Humphreys and Jay Schrader were starting games at quarterback, they were still really good. You know, they went to the NFC title game with Jay Schrader at quarterback. So I think I, Belich,

I guess because you have to, Lombardi and Shula, would be my top three in some order there, or in some two or three order. I'd probably go Shula and then Lombardi. And then it's Gibbs. And then, look, Walsh is in the conversation with Gibbs. Walsh is more in the conversation with Gibbs than I think Nol is, personally. Maybe even than Landry is.

Pittsburgh and Dallas had the best scouting and front office franchises in the league. Landry was a part of that. I'm not saying that he wasn't. But they just, they had the best talent during that decade. And the Dolphins had great talent too in the early 70s. But Gibbs, like Shula for me, did more with perceived less than any other coach in history. I think, look, I don't know if Parcells is a top 10 coach of all time, but man, Parcells, everything he did great. He was a great in-game strategist. He was a great game planner.

He was a great, you know, understood the clock, understood the rules. Every, you know, little edge, phenomenal motivator. Look, he won two Super Bowls with two different quarterbacks, Phil Sims and Jeff Hostetler. You know, Hostetler took him towards the end of that regular season and through the playoffs. Right. And, you know, I think, like, I'd probably consider him. I actually think Andy Reid's a great coach. Don't get me wrong.

I'd take Parcells over Reed. So would I. I don't know that we're forgetting anybody that should be considerate, you know, consideration for top 10 of all time. that's kind of the list. You know, Parcells gets mentioned. Yeah, I mean, those are the guys that get mentioned. I mean, you know, guys that have won multiple Super Bowls like Mike and Coughlin,

you know, Mike's not even in the Hall of Fame. I think he deserves consideration for the Hall of Fame. I think he actually should be in it. You know, thinking back to some of those great coaches of the 70s, like Bud Grant. He was a great coach, but he lost four Super Bowls. Chuck Knox was a great coach. Chuck Knox was a great coach. Marve Levy was a great coach. But can you really consider them? I mean, you know, these coaches really are about championships. Shula is still the all-time wins leader. Belichick did not catch him. I mean, Belichick still could if he gets a job.

but Shula ended up with the most wins, 10 more than Hallis. In terms of career-winning percentage of the guys that coached for a while, Madden's number one. Madden, now, he only coached 10 years. He won 76% of his games. Yeah. And you know how much, and you know who's, then it's Lombardi. And then after that, it's George Allen. Allen won 71% of his games as a head coach.

You know, if Belichick, can Belichick break that record? Does it include, you know, World Cup victories if he's the USA soccer coach? I mean, he'd have to get 26 World Cup and or Copa America wins. But I would count those. Okay. Hey, I got an ex-N-N-FL player story to tell you. Go ahead. Well, I had a great lunch yesterday with former NFL players, Ken Harvey and John Booty.

Nice. John's a great guy. Yeah, and it was courtesy. Our host was Alex Estelle. He's a loyal listener to the podcast, great guy. And actually he's going to be in studio with us next month because he purchased the auction item to come sit in on a podcast. Oh, great. Looking forward to.

You'll get to meet Alex next month, but he has a boat. He lives down near Annapolis, and he invited us out on his boat. So we went out on a boat yesterday, and we went to this place called really nice, cool place called Stan and Joe. It's a bar in Galesville, right on West River. It's the kind of place where you drive the boat up. Yeah. You get out of a boat, and then you get through you right there. And I had a great luncheon.

I just wanted to thank Alex for setting that up. Wow. Look at you on a boat. Yeah. Yeah, we had cigars. We had cigars. We had beer. It was a great time.

Do you wear the right kind of shoes? Well, I wear sneakers usually. Okay. Everywhere. Boat people get a little bit particular about the shoes that you wear on a boat. Well, then, if Alex was particular, he didn't say much when I was stepping all over his cushions trying to get in and out of the boat. Yeah, I can just imagine you getting on and getting off the boat. I did okay.

I did okay. I mean, those guys were close by just in case I fell in the water. I was going to say, did you have a life preserver on when you're on the boat? No. No. But those guys were ready. They had those NFL cat-like instincts that they were ready to catch me if I fell off. But I did okay.

And I just wanted to shout out to all those guys for a great time. Well, that's awesome. What a great bar that was. Yeah. Ken Harvey, John Booty, the best, too. You know, they're just great guys. I, um, so. And you are invited anytime you can make it.

Oh, really, interesting. Um, certainly wasn't invited yesterday. Uh, but you were invited, but it's a weekday thing. Yeah. Like, it's a weekday, weekday, after you thing. Yeah, whatever. Okay. You know, you, you work.

I'm semi-retired. But let me just tell you something. So, um, first of all, on Friday, uh, I'm going to be in an appellation. with a bunch of my high school friends who are all getting together. Buddy of mine lives in Annapolis, so we're all going to go up there and hang out Friday afternoon, Friday night, probably into Saturday morning. A lot of us, these are my best friends from high school,

and we just have not gotten together as a group in a long time. So we're going to do that over the weekend in Annapolis. But I will tell you that I'm not good. on boats. I do get seasick. Now, not when the boat's moving, you know, in a bigger boat and the boat's moving, I'm fine. You know, I love being on a boat where sun and it's beautiful weather and you're hanging out and you're drinking beers and you're listening to music and you're having a great time. I love those days. But if it's choppy out there and they decide to kind of anchor the boat somewhere? Not good for me. Not good at all. And there is no amount of medication that I can

take to stop it from happening. Really? Yeah, and I will tell you that last summer, both of my brother-in-laws, both of them are big boaters. My father-in-law, big boaters, but my brother-in-law is really into boats. The one that lives in New Jersey, lives in Manuskwan. And so he's got a bunch of boats. we were out for a boat ride and, you know, he knows my deal with boats. He's like, we're just going straight to this restaurant. It'll be easy. I'm like, I'm fine. The boat moving is never a problem with me.

But then they decided on the way back, they'd park it in choppy waters and go for a swim. And I'm like, don't do that. Why are you doing this? And they're like, just, you'll just jump into the water. You'll swim. I had to get off that boat so quickly into the water. or it would have been ugly. All I can tell you is that when I got back to shore,

it was a mess, a mess for me by my car. I get very motion sickness. You should have taken the boat. You should have left them in the water. I was pissed. He was laughing hysterically. That's what I would have done. I would have taken the boat.

Yeah, just said anchors up, see ya? Yeah. Anyway, it's fun being on a boat. I do like being on the boat. And I like fishing, you know, but it's got to be kind of moving a little bit. As long as the boat's just moving a little bit, I'm good. You know, it's funny, it's much more for me in saltwater. Like, I can be on a boat in a river and I'm fine.

Like when I went out to Wyoming last summer and hung out with Cooley, we were in boats and different things going down river a river fishing and that's fine it's the chop that doesn't look

some people get you know seasickness and I'm one of those people I hate that I do because you know there's some people I know that if they lose sight of land they get sick yeah

well I can't happen to you I can't read in a moving car I can't read on a plane when we're still on the runway. Because anything visually in my peripheral, if it's moving, it makes me sick. I've never been able to read in a car. Can't do it. You're such a delicate flower.

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So Denton, my producer and co-contributor on the radio show, in his news today had a story. The story goes as follows. Mitchell Rails, not a fan of the commander's name. How do we know that? Well, Burgundy Blog, for those of you who don't know who Burgundy Blog is, do you have any idea who Burgundy Blog is? You don't even know who he is, do you? I recognize it.

Okay. He's on Twitter. He's a Skins account on Twitter on X. and, you know, over the years, he's had, you know, some information about the team that's proven to be accurate. I can't specifically remember what the stories were, but I remember, and I had him on the podcast several years ago, and then he became sort of more, I think he likes, you know, being sort of obscure. Like he doesn't tell you his real name, doesn't want you to reveal. his real name, whatever.

Anyway, long story short, he was on Galdi's podcast, and he told Galdi the following. Are you ready for this one? He said that an acquaintance told him that at a social event a few months ago, Mitch Rales asked a few attendees what they thought of the team's current name. The answer he got was extremely negative, and he, as in Mitch Rales, corroborated his feelings of not being excited about commanders either. Rails reportedly then express something to the effect of, we will see if we can do something about that. First of all, let me just say that for a year now, I have known, and I've expressed this on the show and with you, that there are over 20-some owners

of this franchise now, many of whom were fans of this team and are from here, who, don't like the name and would prefer something new. So it's not surprising to me that Mitch Rails doesn't like the name. I would guess both Josh Harris and Mitch Rails can't stand the name or the associated branding. But if this is true and he is socially kind of making it clear that he's not a big fan of it either, what do you make of this? Well, you know, Look, podcast, radio, the rules are different than, you know, the business I was brought up in journalism. You know, it makes me cringe a little bit to say somebody said something, who said something to somebody.

It's like a third-party check. Yeah. You know, but I understand. I probably have done it over the years on the radio and on a podcast. So, you know, it's a piece of information, you know, but it was passed. It was hearsay, as they like to say on law and order. That's hearsay. You know, it didn't come direct from the source.

So take it for what it's worth. Look. I have no doubt. I mean, I don't know who. Look, you can swing a cat any place where there's Washington commanders fans, and you'll be hard-pressed to find one who likes the name. Right. Yeah.

Look, if the, rules for this podcast or sports talk radio and you've already acknowledged this were that you couldn't say things that you heard from someone who heard it from somebody else. Well, I mean, but my point is I have no problem with that in him relaying that story. And I actually tend to believe it. The only reason I do is not that I know this guy very. well at all. I know that he lives in the Carolina, as I know

his first name. I won't share it for, you know, he likes to be very anonymous. But he, he, I think, knew some people in the organization. I think he's a doctor

of some sort and knew some people in the organization for a while, which is why occasionally he had some information. So I certainly wouldn't say, well, this is bullshit. How would he know? I actually would probably lean in the direction of it's probably true because it also makes sense. Now, would Mitch Rails be so, depending on the social event that he was at and how many people they were,

he's got to be careful on things like that. But if these were people that he knew and he felt comfortable around, sure, you're always digging for information. Look, Mitch Rails grew up on this team. He took the bus from Friendship Heights with his brother down to RFK Stadium on Sundays to go to games. I mean, it's got it inside, eat them alive that it's not the Redskins with the old uniforms. And that it, you know, that he, I mean, he's thrilled to be an owner of the team and he's the one that said, Redskins is gone, that ship is sailed.

you know, and I think everybody understands why, but it doesn't mean that he likes it. I think the name will change. I think the name will change. I definitely think the branding and the uniforms will change by when. I don't know. The stadium stuff has to get done first. They've got to get clearance on the stadium.

They don't want to mess that up. You know, I feel in a way, I mean, as sorry as you can feel for billionaires and millionaires. I mean, I feel sorry for this ownership group because they've been handed such a pile of business stink to have to straighten out. You know, there is so much they have ahead of them right now, besides football.

No doubt. I mean, but they knew that. They knew when they bought the table. team. In addition, it was a tear down. It was a total tear down. The land was super expensive, but the house on it was a piece of shit, and they had to tear it down and rebuild it literally from ground up. And, you know, and it wasn't going to be easy because, you know, there were there were some restrictions on the land on what you could do with it, you know, aka the name You were trying to see if you could build the pool in the spot where you wanted to build the pool

based on what the HOA would allow you to do, and that's the stadium. There were all these challenges that they were acquiring in addition to a bad football team with a rundown fan base. But what was attractive to them was they understood that there was a chance with Snyder gone if you could build a winner that you could have something incredibly special in this town again. But they knew that the name would be a big part of it.

Look, the name to me is number two. It's before the stadium. There's much more emotion wrapped up for many more people in the name than the stadium. They've been gone from RFK for 30 years, 27 years. The name was lost four years ago.

Yeah. It's amazing that some people in town can't figure that out. What do you mean? I mean, there's some people in the media I've noticed that I think it's ridiculous to even talk about the name or people are too passionate about the name. Well, those people aren't fans. I've talked about this forever. I'm not a fan and I recognize it. I know, but yes, yes, but you've been here forever. some of those people just haven't been here long enough and they have no idea what this town was like when they were truly a championship contender. They don't even know what the town was like in the first 10 years of Snyder when you had Gibbs back.

I mean, and that was super exciting and, you know, and something that everybody embraced. that's why I've always said when it comes to this name conversation, I'm just not interested in what certain people who don't have the emotional feel or can identify the emotional connection that fans had. The conversation with those people, it's useless. This is a conversation for people who really have felt it. And they have. I mean, that's the thing that I've emphasized for a year,

now. They know. They know what this is. They know how big of a deal it is. They're going to do something about it. Now, whether or not they end up getting everything that everybody wants, I don't know, that's a challenge. And what the league will allow them to do and won't do, who knows? I also think about Tommy, what if, what if this year with Jaden Daniels, they had a 10-win season like Houston did. They won a playoff game, and they came back in 2025 as the commanders and went to the Super Bowl. I mean...

I still think there would be a segment of the... A significant enough segment of the fan base to have to deal with. I do too, but then you've got, you know, you've got proof of concept for the people that said, All you had to do was win and the town would go nuts. And the bottom line is if you did win and you won big, enough of the town would go nuts to make it dwarf with the current level of fandom is for the team. Of course it would.

Yeah. But then you have to weigh in. I mean, can you bring this remaining fan base that's holding out for its name change? if can you bring them back or would changing the name again piss off a segment of the fan base that's now comfortable with the new name. Yeah, I don't know. I doubt you'd really have to win a lot of games and have a lot of moments. You know, it's those memorable moments and games and times that you live through with a team. that sort of, you know, locks you in emotionally.

So it'd have to be some serious winning. You know, a wild card win this year and next year, that's not really going to do it. That's not going to do it. Although I'll tell you what, for around these parts, that'd be pretty good. They haven't won a playoff game since 2005, January of 2006. Jesus, God, every time I think about that.

I mean, it's going on, when we get to this postseason, it will have been 19 years since their last playoff win. That's insane. All right. Do you have anything else? Yeah, one last milestone moment. Yeah. Yesterday on my 2011 Prius, I went over 200,000 miles.

You have a 2011 Prius? I didn't know that. Yes. And it went over to 200,000 mile. What was the car that you had before the Prius? I don't remember Did you have Remember I drove

Remember I had a car deal Remember? You did have a car deal What were you driving? Different cars I don't remember Nice cars Yeah

Nicer than a Prius It was nicer than a Prius 200,000 miles Wow Yeah Never any Never a major repair Not one

Knock on wood When you say that Yeah All righty. I will talk to you on Thursday, thanks. Okay, boss. See you. Back tomorrow. Oh, one last thing that I wanted to mention real quickly. If you didn't listen to the show yesterday, Charlie Casserly was on the show,

and I didn't have Charlie on to talk about Jaden Daniels or Mikey Santer still or any of the players or any of the teams around the league. I had Charlie on because he is heading into the D.C. Sports Hall of Fame. and we talked about Charlie's journey from being a high school football coach to arriving in D.C. as an unpaid intern, paying $8 a night to sleep on a mattress at the YMCA and Alexandria, to becoming eventually a general manager in the NFL. He's got a great story and he was generous enough to share a lot of the details, including obviously details of his relationship. over the years with George Allen and Jack Kent Cook and Bobby Bethard and Joe Gibbs. I think it was a really good listen. I think Charlie was great.

That was on yesterday's show. All right, that's it. Back tomorrow.