The Kevin Sheehan Show - Alex Smith Retires; More Cooley QB Film

Episode Date: April 19, 2021

Cooley and Kevin on several topics today including Alex Smith's retirement, what Cooley needs to see in an NFL QB prospect, and two Cooley QB "film breakdowns" on Stanford's Davis Mills and Texas A&M's Kellen Mond.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it. You don't need it. But you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Cheehan Show. Here's Kevin. Coolie's with me today. There was some breaking news right as we started to record this podcast. Alex Smith is retired.

We'll have reaction to that. Coolie's got film breakdown on Mond and Mills and a couple of other thoughts. I'm going to open this show by reading Chris this tweet from Sage Rosenfels. By the way, I'm just curious. Did you... You didn't play with him, did you? He was gone. Who?

Sage Rosenfels. I don't think so. You know who he is. I didn't play with him. He was drafted by Washington. He was drafted by Marty Schottenheimer in 2001. Yeah, by the time you got to Washington, he was gone. He was actually gone after the first year.

He tweeted out the following over the weekend, and I just thought it was so funny, essentially what you've been saying. He tweeted, there may be a couple of thousand people in the world who know how to watch college or NFL film and know what they're looking at. Watching TV versions does nothing.

Most people don't have a clue about defenses, protections, or coverages. Stop with the, quote, I watched his film, closed quote. I think he agrees with you on how hard this is. and you can't get it from the TV version. How great is that? Yeah.

It's because this whole deal becomes so popular. I mean, think back five years ago when I was doing, I think seven years ago when I was doing this and the grades of the film break, and no one did it. Nobody did it. Right? Nobody did it.

It was this novel new thing. I'm not taking any credit. It's not like people may not have done it before me. I don't know when people started doing it on radio or on the internet. But now everyone's sending it to the internet. Ah, watching Davis Mills film today. Yeah, what'd you watch? A DVR copy of the UCLA game.

Sweet. Where's the back end? Oh, yeah, I don't. I just care about watching the mechanics. The mechanics. What positions? You know I love watching skill position players running backs in particular. And then just sharing my opinion of what kind of college back and why I think they'd be a good pro back.

Like any fan would. I'm not watching film. I'm not watching what you're watching. I don't have access really to what you have access to. I watch a lot of college football. And then, you know, I'll watch as we approach draft time, especially with players that I don't know. I will certainly watch a lot of highlights, and I'll try to find some games on YouTube, like real good games on YouTube.

But what do you think we are capable, if at all, in analyzing? Like, I always think offensive line play DBs, quarterback stuff is really hard because there's so much brain power that goes into playing those positions well. But running backs, don't you think on some level, someone like, me, just a fan of the game, can evaluate a running back? Totally. Because if a running back is getting handed the ball, you're shown every aspect of start-to-finish of that play on television.

And then a lot of times, if it's a good run or something happens, even if it's a bad or there's big play of defense, they'll go behind the offensive line and show you, like, this is what he saw. The color guy will kind of walk you through what he's done, and some of that you're really capable of watching. I think it's one of the easier positions. I think tight-end receivers probably one of the harder positions, because if they're not getting a ball,

so many times they're not even on tape. Safety's impossible, corners impossible. Because you're not even, like, rarely do you see the entire, 22 guys on film at the same time. And so when you're showing the actual ball, the safeties and corners aren't even part of the TV. So I think those are really tough. Linebackers, you could have, I think,

a semblance of being able to evaluate some linebackers. D-line, offensive line, for sure. D-line, absolutely, you can watch a pass-rusher. And I'm not saying, when you say we, you're saying people that didn't play football, I'm just saying if you're trying to watch television and evaluate it's tough. Right. Right.

Well, I think that it's more than that. I think, you know, most really hardcore fans really don't understand what makes a really good offensive lineman, you know, different from, you know, a good, like a great offensive lineman from a good offensive lineman. or somebody who's capable of starting versus somebody who isn't. There's a lot of technique. Unless you really played the game and played that position, you know, you probably don't understand, you know, what they're being asked to do.

I think the secondary and you hit on it, safety and corner, you just don't even know what their responsibilities on any play more likely than not were. You don't know what kind of defense more likely they were in or even if you can identify, oh, they're in cover two or they're in cover three. and this is typically what their responsibilities are, even if you're that sophisticated,

most fans aren't even that sophisticated, it's not the easiest thing in the world. Like, how many times do it? No, it's hard. Yeah. It's hard because you were in that meeting to talk about his eye key, pre-snap and what he was looking at, and why he was looking at that.

And that might not, and that might have been coached in a way that you wouldn't want to coached. I mean, it's tough because you're not in that meeting. him to say, hey, quarterback throws a pick. Tight end's not crossing the face of a quarter safety. Your receiver's not crossing the face of a quarter safety, and you're watching, you're like, maybe it wasn't a theme. Maybe it was actually a post,

and you just wanted to carry the safety, and the quarterback should have thrown it. Maybe it is a theme. It's not always that you can tell that it's a certain type of route, or what principles were coached into that player and those responsibilities. Right. A lot of times you could say, like, for a quarterback or for someone, well, it's muddy, and I don't like that. But at the same time, if the tight end makes a little bit more of an angle cut in from a safety space, he catches a ball.

And now it's not muddy in the description. Now it's tight window Sunday throw. So it went from muddy interception to tight window throw because the titan took one step further inside. Well, I am going to do what I've done with you more seriously. so than anybody else over the last many years. One of these shows leading up to the draft, I'm going to give you three or four running backs that I really like, because I've actually been right on running backs a lot over the years with you,

and I'm just going to give everybody, especially Terp fans, a heads up. I think Jake Funk can be an NFL running back. If you don't know who Jake Funk is because you didn't watch a lot of Maryland football, he's a guy that basically was like a redshirt senior. He's been injured a lot. That's been the biggest issue during the course of his career. year. But my God, does he have incredible vision, sort of deceptive speed, really good, quick feet, you know, in the hole? And he's a powerful runner at like, you know, 5-11, 6 feet, 210 pounds.

I think he's going to be a guy that gets drafted. I have no idea where he even ranks right now. I haven't even spent time looking at it. But I remember towards the, during this year, just saying, Jake Funk to me looks like an NFL running back. All right. What do you want to say about Alex Smith, who retired after a 16-year career today? I think that he's going to really appreciate the decision. I know it's a hard decision to make. I'm glad that he thought about it.

I would say if this had happened to him in year 8, 9, 10, that he'd regret retiring. but that always depends on the guy. I mean, gosh, it's funny. You talk about a guy that twice in his career was so close to being the dude and winning a Super Bowl and taking a team to another level. I mean, struggled in San Francisco early. They finally get to where he's the guy.

They're a good football team. And now it's like, not Colin Kaepernick's going to play. Go to Kansas City, struggle early, finally get some weapons, be the guy in the team, And granted, he had a chance in his last year there, and that last year wasn't great through a large part of it. Now, some of it was, but now Patrick Mahomes. And now you've got to be bounced again. Yeah.

It's great. Like, he was probably the 15th to 20th, best quarterback in the league, four or five different years of his career. And, man, it's wild to make the most of opportunities. or have things happen. You know, one big game here or there at the right time for either San Francisco or Kansas City might have changed things.

Yeah, man. But you remember that year in Kansas City the year before they drafted Mahomes? That was the year that they went like 15 weeks before a wide receiver or tight and got a touchdown pass. Oh, right. That's true. I do remember that. That was the year before Mahomes.

Right. the year before B. Holmes, it was almost a full year where he was the all-time worst fantasy football quarterback. Yeah, they, they, that was, they just, they didn't win in the postseason, obviously. He didn't really win, put games in the postseason, and they weren't very good offensively, except in that one shootout game that Indianapolis came back with Andrew Luck and came back in that 45-44 game or whatever. That was a crazy, wild card round game. I'm just for him,

I think if we just go back a year, like one year ago, there wasn't much of a chance that Alex Smith was ever going to play. And then all of a sudden, it just, then we saw Project 11 and we were absolutely convinced. And when did we see that, like June or July of last year, whenever it was?

You know, the pandemic was already, you know, full underway because that was one of the big, you know, shows during the pandemic, sports shows. And it was like, okay, well, now we know there's no chance. The dude basically nearly died and certainly was lucky to have his leg. And then it just started to go from there. And I, even when we got to the regular season, I was like, there's no way they're ever going to put him on the field.

And, you know, we remember when he had the slight criticism. I think, you know, the context of it was a little bit different. And Rivera talked about it. And even Alex Smith talked about it afterwards about, you know, know, they didn't want me. You know, the last thing they wanted was to see me, you know, around and available. Well, it was a shocker to everybody, and everybody feared putting him out there because they cared so much about him.

It's really ultimately amazing that he got back out onto the field, played well, got the comeback player of the year award, which was a no-brainer, and thankfully never got hurt again. I mean, I know he was injured at the end of last year, but I'm talking about something catastrophic. It's amazing, especially after that first Aaron Donald game, that he got, not only did he come back and play well at times, he really, you know, avoided what was everybody's fear. And that was some sort of catastrophic injury again. He was able to prove something to himself. He always talked about how he wanted his kids to learn that, you know, it's never over, that, you know, resilience and persistence pays and all of that. He was able to teach that lesson if that was really a big part of it.

And I'm glad he's not playing anymore. I mean, Urban Meyer was on Michael Irvin's podcast and essentially said, you know, they were interested, but they're really not sure. In part because they really, he's concerned about Alex, you know, about his health like everybody else was. He said, here's the quote. He said, we had conversations with him and there's some, you know, there's some medical people that in our organization that were very concerned. And there were, I'm sure, in Washington's organization. Again, Washington got away with something, Cooley. They got away with it.

They did not have to do what they did. It turned out well for both parties. I'm not trying to suggest that it was a risk that wasn't worth taking because he played well, and he was significantly influential in them getting, you know, winning the division, you know, with a seven and nine. record. But man, they were taking a big risk. And Jacksonville, who wouldn't be taking nearly the big risk that Washington was taking with all the issues related to the criticism of medical and trainer and the whole thing, the Trent Williams stuff, Jacksonville's concerned. So I think once

Urban Meyer essentially said we're really concerned, that was the only spot for Alex Smith. And I'm assuming that's why he retired because Alex Smith was talking to him about an opportunity. So if there wasn't one in Jacksonville, there wasn't going to be one anywhere else. No, and I think there's that discussion of six or 17, even at this point, there was a discussion about Houston. Right. But in any one of those discussions, he fits as if the guy we have now ends up getting a chance to play like Deshaun Watson,

or the guy that we draft ends up being a guy that we like, you have anywhere from competing through camp to six games to at most a year. And he's got to sit there and think, do I want to do this deal for what, move to a city, take my kids there, do the one-year deal and then call it or then go somewhere else and do the one-year deal again? If kids are old enough, if it were to go somewhere and do the one year, if it were me, I would really think more like, I'm going to go, there, you're going to stay in school where you're in school, and I'll not be able to see

you very much for a year. Who knows what they would do in that situation, but it's never going to be the security of you're going to play here for more than a season. So that's hard. Yeah. What do you think he'll do next? I think he will do anything that he wants to do. If he wants to be involved as a coach, you know, someone will love Alex Smith as a coach. If he wants to be involved in the scouting

department, I'm sure he can do that. If he wants to be in broadcasting and he can do that, if he wants to raise his kids for five years, that's not a bad thing to do either. Yeah. It's dad. I mean, it's whatever he wants to do.

You know, that's, for whatever reason, well, not for whatever reason. The quarterbacks understand football on a level that most people don't through their career, not that they couldn't. or that someone like me really got to know it in the last three years of their career and then really really spent a ton of time.

But even with me, there's still not that trust level to talk about any position. For some reason, quarterbacks have that trust level to talk about anything you want to talk about. You know, like, he played quarterback, he knows. So, you know how much money. You know, he made a shitload of money. I'm looking through all of the different contracts that he signed. Remember, when he was the number one overall, there was no rookie wage scale. Six-year, $53.5 million deal as a rookie.

That was his rookie contract. Then he signed in San Francisco a two-year, $6.5 million deal. Then he signed in San Francisco a one year $4.9 million deal. Then in Kansas City, three years, $27.7 million. Then in Kansas City, four years, $68 million. And then in Washington, remember, it was the assumption of what was left on that Kansas City contract plus the extension. So it turned out to be $4 million, $71 million guaranteed. Basically looking at this, I'm going to guess that over the course of his career, that he probably made $140 to $150 million gross.

I think that's about right. I could live with that. You know, that's contract. That's contract. He's 36 years old. Look, bottom line is it was not a great trade for Washington in hindsight, period. There's no other way to say it. He wasn't very good in 2018.

You know, they were the record, you can point to the record all you want. It was a house of cards. They ran the ball well. They stopped the run. They won the turnover battle. They won the penalty battle. Alex Smith was not a dynamic quarterback. Maybe he was on the verge, and maybe the offense was on the verge of something much better.

I think that that was headed to eight and eight, you know, maybe nine and seven in a playoff berth. Maybe. He was really good as a game managing quarterback, which is what he was in Kansas City, for the most part. This year, I actually thought he was more dynamic. a couple of those games like the Detroit game than he ever had been in 2018, which was the crazy part because he wasn't nearly as mobile.

But he was a good NFL starting quarterback, never much better than sort of the middle, you know, portion of the league as a starter. Somewhere in that 14 to 18 range year and year out, you know, I still absolutely am convinced, and I bet Andy Reid feels the same way, that if they had gone to Patrick Mahomes in 27, they would have gone deep into that postseason rather than losing in the wild card round at home to the Titans. It's not a knock. Having a 14, 15 year career, whatever it was, 16 year career, and being consistently in that top, you know, middle portion, some of the time, top half of the league, some of the time just on the other side of it is a pretty good career.

And he was a winner. The bottom line is he was a winner. I mean, he finishes his career. I think it's like 30 games over 500. But he had, on those teams that were winners, had a hell of a lot around him. You know, he had it in San Francisco, hell of a lot around him. And you already mentioned it. I mean, he gets benched, you know, in the Super Bowl year by Kaepernick.

And in Kansas City, ultimately, they went much further with Mahomes, but he had a hell of a lot around him there. good, solid starting quarterback for a long career. Nothing ever special about Alex Smith. Yeah, and I think that's why he wanted to keep playing, because he wanted to have that special year. And maybe it wasn't that he was going to be the special player, and I think he understands that, what limitations he has at this point,

but maybe he was never going to be that special player. He just wanted the special year. I would have wanted this. special year, man. I'm sure. You know, actually the timing of this is really interesting with him. A perfect segue into something I was going to bring up with you. I don't want to spend a lot of time on this because I want to get to your film breakdown, but I'm just curious if anything jumps out to you. This kid, I say kid, this producer of a sports radio show in New York at 987, whatever, 987 FM. his name's Jake Montgomery.

He's got like, right now he's got like 7,800 Twitter followers. He put out this tweet the other day that ended up being like just an incredible tweet that went viral. And the tweet was you can pick one athlete ever to have an injury-free career from beginning to end. Who are you choosing? A guy that, you know, when he tweeted stuff out, would get like three likes or, you know, you know, a one retweet and maybe four responses, got 12,000 likes, 22,000 retweets, and this thing just took off over the weekend. And we did an hour on the phones this morning on the radio show,

and there were two names that popped into my mind immediately. They were Gail Sayers who had an unbelievable brief career so great he was that he was in the Hall of Fame, essentially playing four seasons of games, and that's it. Four years of true productivity, lots of knee injuries that ended his career after six seasons, but really he only played four seasons worth of games. He was in the Hall of Fame. It would have been incredible to see Gail Sayers, a healthy Gail Sayers for a career. And then Bill Walton, for me, I most, and a lot of people aren't going to disagree with this.

A lot of basketball people will say that if Bill Walton hadn't had the chronic foot issue that he had that really derailed his career. We'd be talking about Bill Walton in the same way we talk about Wilt and Russell and Kareem and Shaq and Elijah Juan in terms of the greatest centers of all time. He was that special of a player, but he never, you know, after the first couple of years, could never ever stay healthy.

But those were the two that came to mind. Now, a lot of people immediately said, well, Len Byas or Sean Taylor, I think we're looking forward. the injuries, not the tragedies that ended their career? I think that counts. I mean, I think my first name is Bo Jackson. That's, yeah, that was the number one. Number one. That was number one.

Yeah, in terms of the responses to everybody. I watched it for 30 on, watch a 30 for 30 on Griffey Jr. He'd be another one, like, I mean, he already had an amazing career, but riddled with injuries. Exactly. Exactly. A lot of people had him, too. I think as far as a pure baseball player may be the best. A lot of people believe that.

Definitely. I mean, there were... You watched that 30 for 30 and you're going to believe it. Yeah. I mean, there were so many that came up during the show. If you want, you can go back and listen to it on the Team 980. And if you want, tweet me at Kevin Sheen, D.C. with some of them. All right, let's get to Hoolies.

That's a good hold on one sec, though. Yeah. Not like, like in my own world, God, I wish I could have played 15 years, 14 years. You know what I mean? I know. You retired prematurely because of injury. I was sort of what it was. I mean, it was sort of that.

But it was also like, I guess I could have made a choice to go to another team right, right when I was done. But it probably wouldn't have been the same. I mean, in my own world, I had 380 catch seasons, a couple of seven. to catch a, you know, I'm probably to end it with 7,800 reception. 900 reception. I could, I would have been up there as far as reception goes. It sucks for me. And I, and I got, when I was hurt, when I hurt my knee, it was the truth moment where I loved ball. It was like that. You know, you always hear veterans talk about, like, really blowing down and really starting to figure it out. That was kind of the moment for me where I was like,

I really want this now. Well, I mean, think about it. I mean, you retired at a very young age, especially for the position. I mean, Jason Whitten just gave it up at 38 years old. You were done at 30, but really were done at 29, you know, because 2012 wasn't, you know, you didn't participate that much during the course of that season. And it was, it was obviously because of injuries. And yeah, I mean, you had, you know, you had incredibly productive seasons. So if you hadn't gotten injured, and I was actually going to say the same thing. It's, you know, you were, you know, look, you were perceived early in your career is a little bit wild, maybe a little bit unfocused. I'm not saying you were, you know, interested in a lot of the other stuff that was going on. But by the time you got to Shanahan in 2010, 2011, and 2012, you really were, you, you, you, really were, you. know, for the lack of a better description, you were maturing as a professional, as a person,

and maybe if you were healthy, the next four to five years could have been your most productive years. With the other idea that throwing the ball of the tight end became even more popular. Right. And moving guys around became even more popular. So, anyway, I didn't. By the way, the other one, too, so you hit on a couple of them, Bo Jackson, Griffey Jr. Walton was a big one with a lot of people. So was Sares.

Tiger Woods really is, I don't think most people understand Tiger Woods career and how dominant Tiger's been and just how many of his prime years he's missed or had altered because of injuries. there would not be a record in golf that Tiger wouldn't own had he stayed healthy throughout his career. And by the way, most of what he would have set along the way would have never been broken. I mean, it would have been almost impossible to imagine that anything would have been broken. I mean, here's a guy that, you know, made it several years, 142 straight cuts. You know, he would have certainly at this point without all the injuries. He would have passed Jack on the major championships list. he would have extended his all-time PGA tour victory.

Here's a guy that in two separate years had seven consecutive wins and six consecutive wins. That's almost impossible to believe. Because you watch golf and I watch golf. I'm in a golf pool. Nobody wins two weeks in a row. And he had a year in which he won seven straight weeks and then another year in which you won six straight weeks. So if Tiger had stayed healthy, his example. entire career, there wouldn't be a record that he wouldn't own, and most of them would be

untouchable. He really is, in many ways, the most dominant individual sport athlete. He's certainly in that conversation, and would have been by himself in that conversation, had he stayed healthy. All right. Crazy how good he was. Just crazy. Nuts. All right. When we come back, Kooley's got some film breakdown to do on some of the other quarterbacks, right after this word from one of our sponsors. You've got some film breakdowns, but you wanted to mention something first about quarterbacks. Yeah, just because I'm watching all these different videos out of interest and watching all

these evaluators to everyone who's brilliant now, you read all this stuff and you look at all this stuff and like what matters for a quarterback. Accuracy comes up as a big one and arm strength comes up as a big one. And, you know, I think back to when I was in high school and the way they coached quarterback, and I remember the first day when I wanted to be the quarterback, I should have been, but the coach, you know, talking about, we've got to push that ball higher up on your right shoulder and then you've got to come over the top. And, like, everything for a quarterback was defined by the upper body mechanics and the throw mechanics.

And everyone was taught, like, pure upper body with throw mechanics. And we've talked about that forever. I don't give a shit what their upper body mechanics look like. The ball out quick and is it out with some accuracy. I mean, obviously the decision making I care about it, that's the anticipation and on time. But it is so funny. It really took a guy, like Mahomes,

for now everyone to evaluate, look, you can make the off-platform throw. Yeah, well, guys have been making the off-platform throw. for a long time. Like guys can do that. But it took that Mahomes to go, it's okay if it's almost always off platform. It's just,

it, you get so convinced with this upper body mechanic stuff. I don't care what his upper body looks like. I actually have gotten to the point now where I've decided that their lower body mechanics is way more valuable to them having success in any given play, any given season into the future.

It's way more trained, way more, I think, tough to ingrain into some of these guys, their feet and how important it is. And to me, it's like, how quick is the ball out, and what are your lower body mechanics? And the lower body actually helps the ball come out. It's weird how you look at it, and I think as you evaluate these guys,

does it matter what it looks like when the ball comes out, if the ball's consistently accurate? It shouldn't. And then I was actually thinking about Duane a little bit. you know, Dwayne has really little touch with those heavy over-the-top mechanics. And his, when he pushes, when his lower body matches a little bit and he doesn't open the gate, it's pure, man. Some of his would you teach your quarterback at a old school over-the-top deal.

But whenever he wanted to throw a touch, he had the sidearm it. He couldn't throw a touch with that heavy over-top mechanics. Couldn't take anything off of it that way. I think the only thing on the upper body mechanics is if it leads to not getting the ball out quickly. But that's how everyone's been coached, is that pure over-the-top throwing motion. We'll lead to getting the ball out quickly. All I'm saying is that, and you said you don't care what the upper body mechanics are, but the upper body mechanics are somewhat important to quick release.

Walk out. Grab one of your son. and walk out and try to go full upper body mechanics and throw over the top and see how fast the ball comes out to where you take it a little bit to the side and flip your wrist. See what comes out faster. I did it yesterday. I know what comes out faster.

Now the question is, is he athletically inclined enough? Did he play baseball? Can he throw not necessarily off platform? Can he make throws wherever he wants the ball out of his hand? Can he make it down on his side a little bit? Can he make it on his shoulder a little bit? And then when you start thinking about it, it's like, those are the throws you have to make. You've got to manipulate the offensive line, the defensive line.

You've got to throw around guys. You've got to be able to, like, it can't, it's rarely going to be hit your fifth step, hit your third step, pure driven over-the-top mechanic. Yeah, well, I mean. And I'm doing it yesterday, and I'm, I played baseball. So I can throw it with accuracy. And clearly, like, when you watch me throw, it's not, it's not like the most beautiful sidearm or, you know what I mean? But I can throw hard, accurately, 20 yards down the field right now with a side arm.

I think one of the things, too, that, you know, as offensive lines and defensive lines, as the league's gotten bigger and bigger, you see, you know, one of the things I don't think most fans understand is these lanes, like they're throwing and passing lanes, like they're blocking to create passing lanes. And then you have to adjust arm angle to get it. it in certain spots. And it's just, it's not drop back seven on seven. Nobody's putting their arms up to disrupt a throw.

No, never. It's just, it isn't that way. And for whatever reason, and maybe guys with the pure over the top can take something off, they don't got to throw a hole in everything. Right. You change your arm angle a little bit, and it allows you to tempo the ball a little bit better. Just as someone like me, like a natural kind of athletic, movement, not like the pure passing movement, I can tempo it better with different arm angles.

So I guess that was just my thought. And then the lower body mechanic, when you watch a lot of these college quarterbacks and gun, they get lazy with it. In the NFL, it's really wild. If you look at notes from a quarterback meeting room or stuff they're given, everything times up with their lower body. Like you're timing things up. when you hit your third step, the ball's out.

You know, if the ball's not out because you don't like something, it's one hit and go. And when these guys, you're watching, don't have the base or don't have the footwork, it makes it really hard for them to turn down number one and get to number two in timing. Right. It's an extra step because they didn't hit number one the way they should have, and they're not under balance.

And so to get to the second read, it's not two. it's like this whole kind of two-foot dance deal back there to kind of turn their body around. To me, like the more I'm watching these guys, the more I care about that three-step, five-step operation to be able to hit your toes, mid-foot toes, and stay under balance with some separation, shoulder width, and be able to move, shoulder turn, shoulder movement under balance to do everything. and it's not everyone that does it. It's really, and it's, I don't know. To me, I think it's more important. Did this come up for you because this is just a guess, because I have no idea what you're going to say about Callen Mond. I know what you said last week, and you know my position on him. But the one thing about Callen Mond that I've never liked is it looks like he's trying so hard when he's in the pocket to have.

have like perfect mechanics that it almost makes them look stiff and not very natural and not very comfortable. No, it's funny. I told you I wanted to talk about this and in part that's because of watching Kellyn Monde. Yeah. But it came up over the weekend and I can't remember I was talking to a friend who's in the business. And we were talking about a lot of these quarterbacks and who he liked and what he thought of some of these guys. You know who it is, but I'm not, doesn't need to be talking to me about prospects, although I thought whatever.

And so I just went out and I started, we were talking about footwork and some of these things and why there's so many misses on quarterbacks. I just think like people get enamored with looking at the wrong things. So I was kind of to fine-tune my thought process of, what should I really, what really would be the most translatable, what are the skills that I want them to have the most right now?

So what are they? List them in order. To me, it's how quick the ball out. And arm strength matters, but how quick the ball out? If you were to put a clock on them, a right-hand or the second, that left-hand comes off the ball, what's the time on it? To throw it five yards, to throw it ten yards, to throw it 20 yards. What's the timing on that?

Because a tenth of a second more than somebody else is going to change a play. is going to change the timing. The difference between open and covered in the NFL. Can he flick his wrist and throw the ball? And then it's also like the Aaron Rogers, can he really do it without having to wind up? Right. Some of that was watching Justin Field.

Like I think Justin Fields has to wind up to everything. Yeah, you said that. To me, I think it's slower coming out as he's getting rid of it. The two, can he throw it accurately with multiple arm angles and on the move? and, God, the guys that can throw from that sidearm, kind of that second baseman type of throw, they're the guys that can make the best on the move type of throw, the best on the run type of throw. The over-the-top guys, the Duane, they almost have to jump, turn their body to get into a position

where they could still throw the ball over the top. Can you field a ground ball moving towards third base as a short stop and kind of go off the side because your body's twisted completely? And those guys that can do it accurately, I think, are special. The footwork is huge. can they move in the pocket with their feet? Can they stay and manipulate the pocket with their feet? Can they shoulder turn in the pocket?

Can they do some of that stuff? To me, that's really, really big. The next thing that I love is the guy that can turn down one and with his feet go to two quickly and turn down two and go to three. And I don't have to see it all the time, but I want to see it a couple times in every game. Like, I know he didn't like one, he didn't like two. He knows where he's going with three, and he gets even better, and this is crazy, that he maybe thinks about three, and then he goes to the back as the checkdown.

You're like, guy knows his stuff. I don't want to spend all day teaching a quarterback progression and defense. I want a guy that at least has a base understanding of it. I think I show that a lot of the time. To me, those are big. And then the next thing I love is confidence, guts, competitiveness. Can he lead his team? Big moment.

Can he walk his team down the field? there's something to that. I think there's definitely something to that. Can you get out of the process of what it is? But the pure mechanic guys, I think that's so 2000. So 1995. Yeah, well, I mean, we've seen, you know,

it's more than just Mahomes. We've seen guys with odd throwing styles as long as it's out quickly. Philip Rivers is a perfect example. have textbook form, obviously throwing the football. Russell Wilson doesn't have textbook form throwing the football. There are a lot of guys in the league that throw it a little bit differently and a little bit more sidearm.

Matt Stafford throws it a little bit more sidearm. One of the things you didn't mention, to me, watching quarterbacks that are, you said being able to manipulate and move in the pocket, but it's that also it's that vision. that feel without having to look at it. It's understanding in your periphery where it's coming from and naturally, you know, like in a two-hand touch game in your backyard, being able to stay away from a guy and throw it. It's like having that, that athletic, you know, spatial thing is so important for a quarterback, especially in the red zone. Very often, more times than not, touchdowns in the red zone happen off.

schedule. And they happen because the quarterback's created more time. I completely agree with you. And I understand if a quarterback gets hit in any given game, well, I don't like it or condone it, that then they start maybe looking at the rush a little bit. But if you don't see a guy, if you see a guy that's always, like his head goes from field to where can I move in the pocket, and that's consistent, I don't believe that's teachable. I think that's pure natural ability.

Does he feel it and see it out of the corners of his eyes without having to look at it? And I know you can't teach peripheral vision. No, you can't. Totally agree. No matter how many things that Jim Zorn smacking on the head of the quarterback or whatever he was doing, that's all feel. That's all innate. It's natural.

Yeah. No, I think that's me. And that could even be up there with, you know, a high number one. Does he have natural feel in the pocket? Keep his eyes down the field. I totally agree with you that you can't teach that. When you're talking about being able to go from one and look at two and then work to three, if it's a full progression, or from one to two, and then move without looking down and still get to the back,

I think those are things that show that you don't have to look at the rush. Are you a believer that, if not accurate in college, they'll never be accurate? Depends, I think, to some extent, on what kind of accuracy you're talking about, like what kind of throws they're missing. You know, are they missing a few deep throws in certain areas that they can work on? I think some of that stuff can time up a little bit different. Some of it's timing and some of it's footwork. Some of it's your feet don't time up with the one you want to throw the ball, and it's not out in the right spot.

It's almost comparable to like when, for anyone that was a receiver is running around, they're just not really that comfortable with their feet. And now they're looking at, okay, this is a 10-yard route, and my right foot hit at eight yards, and so all of a sudden I'm going to break it short at eight yards, and it's going to be ugly and floppy because I didn't get my feet under control, as opposed to just comfortably getting another full cycle and go one, two, at the top. That whole visual adjustment to the yardage to get your feet underneath yourself as a receiver, but that's something I love to see in a receiver. The reset push a little bit more vertical, trust that you can get where you need to get

and then break it off again. I don't know. No. Some of its timing. Like, when you're talking about some airmail throw, The consistent airmail throws in a game, consistently high. Like, I was concerned with DeWain with Ohio State stuff, and again, we talked about this.

It was pre-Washington. Right. He threw a ton of balls high. Yeah, especially under pressure. And that, to me, was lower-body mechanics. When he'd open up, he's sitting there left foot forward, and then he'd open up to almost left foot back behind right foot as he'd throw it. You think about making that movement with your hips, it raises your whole body up, which

then raises your arm up as you're throwing it. And his lower body mechanics really needed a ton of work. I just think that that's a harder muscle memory to overcome for these quarterback. And I don't care about the upper body mechanics as much. You know what? You do. Go ahead. I'm sorry.

I said used to, and everyone used to. Everyone used to say upper body mechanics, that's great. I don't think so. That's a lot of them. I think when you're watching a quarterback throw a lot of the touch throws, whether it's a screen, whether it's, you know, he's coming back one, two, three, and it's a tight end wide open, and he's trying to throw it in touch with touch, but also so that it's not underthrown so that the, you know, tight end can take it. I think you can see sometimes in quarterbacks in college, they don't have any feel. They don't have touch. And I think that's another thing that's hard to coach.

I think that's another thing that's natural. I see it in basketball, like a guy that passes naturally. Let me give an example. You know, like the ball goes to the wing and you've got a big man posting up and you're throwing that entry pass from the wing into the post. And there's got to be some touch and some feel on that pass, you know, to get it to his outside hand if that's where, you know, if he's got the target up.

And some guys will rifle it. Some guys don't have the touch. And you see that, I think, in college football, you know, a guy that'll gun one out on a screen to a guy that it's set up perfectly, and he guns it and it goes through. No, you've got to throw that with a little bit of touch and lead them a little bit. I think that's a natural thing, too. Do you agree?

I completely agree. And then you're even talking about the guy that can throw it with a little English, and you can put it a little further outside and have a little bit of spin to bounce it in, And you're like, that guy gets that. No doubt. But you have a screen thing, a perfect baseball comparison. Where you're like, okay, you're up the middle as a shortstop or second baseman, stand tall and fire one like you were pitching it or crow hopping from center field and see what happens.

Yeah. Or just whip it over. No, I mean, it's, you know, it's, I think just any, a lot of you that are listening are like, you know, I can throw a football, I can throw a baseball, I can pass. Yeah, unfortunately, you're not 6'4 and 215 and athletic as hell, but I know what you're talking about. Like you, you know, you've got good hands, you've got good vision, you've got good touch, and the whole thing, and you sometimes are watching a game and you see this big, strong athlete, and he can't throw it with touch. And I don't think that's something that you just all of a sudden improve dramatically on.

that's something that like at 12 years old you sort of have you know a feel for throwing with touch in any sport passing with touch i think it's a huge product of one sport athletes perhaps yeah i think it's a product of not playing other sports like a quarterback that would play basketball and then play baseball he's going to have a feel for touch because he's going to make different throws with different ball from different angle yep agreed whereas And the other thing is like, let's say I'm the screener, I'm the screen guy. Do I care if that ball spirals to me? No. No, just you're right. We're six yards apart. Do I care if that wobbles a little bit at me? No.

Do I care if it hits me on my left side so I can turn and run to the left versus at my feet or a ball that he's trying to throw a bullet into my, through my chest? I got to completely stop and actually. catch the ball before I can run. Like, I want a ball that I don't have to think about catching. Totally agree. When you're evaluating all these guys, like, a big drum arm doesn't mean shit to me.

Most of these guys can throw it 60 yards. It's more like, do you have the arm when you need it? But when you don't need it, can you put the ball where it needs to be? And quickly. And can you make it, and your job as a quarterback is to be the distributor.

could you distribute where that guy can get six extra yards instead of get tackled on the spot or have to go down for it or have to go reach back behind his body? The job's just to put it where it's supposed to be. All right. Let's get to these film breakdowns. We've got to get another break in here. Promise on the other side of this sponsor. Cooley will start film breakdowns of Kellyn Monde and Davis Mills. Stanford quarterback Davis Mills has been flying up the mock draft boards here.

in recent weeks. Kuyper's last version had Mills going 51 overall in the second round to Washington. What do you think of Davis Mills, Cooley? Davis Mills is interesting as anyone gets, I think, in this draft. One, he played three seasons at Stanford, and he started 14 games, three seasons. Yeah. Right, like he played, he started, we played in one game in 2018. which was not through two passes.

In 2019, he played in eight games, and then 2020, he played in five games. He kept COVID to start the last season. He's a guy that has two major knee injuries. One is a senior in high school, and then another one at Stanford, you're like, okay. Unknown, there. That, to me, is a little bit scary.

So, yeah, there's a, ton of unknown with mills. And there's, there, there will be through all of this. Even when you watch every single game, uh, you start with some of the positive of the males. The one, I love this. You've got a sleeves out. He looks like

Peyton, man. He's got his whites coming out of his jersey. He looks like Peyton. And he's kind of the prototypical dude, right? Six-four, big, big guy, 220. Big, good-looking athlete at quarterback. He doesn't look as big as Peyton. Well, Peyton was six.

five. Yeah. Okay. Well, that's why then. Yeah, of course. But still, like big prototypical looking quarterback. We talked about feet and base before. I think Davis Mills is pretty good with his footwork in the pocket. I think his feet are consistent with what he's trying to do. I think his base is good, and I think his delivery is good when it comes to that. He looks like a quarterback. He looks like a pro quarterback pre-snap. And not saying that he can't post-nap, but pre-snap, he looks like quarterback. I think he can manipulate with his eyes. It's gotten a lot better.

He's gotten a ton better in 2020. You look at his 2019 film. He ain't getting drafted at all, even with the pro day that he had. 2019 was a bit of a struggle at Stanford. 2020 is a little bit better. I think he's got good control of the football, at times, especially to the middle of the field. And he can fire it in there.

Maybe it's not the A-arm, but he can fire it in there. He's got the ability to keep plays a lot. in the pocket and he can make that off-platform bro. You know, that moving back to his left and zip it out across the field a little bit to the right. No, but even at that, there's times where you're like, probably didn't even need to do that, bro. Probably because of his stone number one.

He's, to me, like, there's flashes. He's a highlight, low-light guy, which makes him, with the amount of games, like a pure projection, do you like the intangibles when you talk to him? Is there enough there that you say, he's going to keep getting way better. I think before we get to some of the negatives, the perfect example. They're playing UCLA,

if they're down in this game, 2720, he's already thrown two picks. One of them is a bad pick. One of them's into what you call muddy waters. And now all of a sudden, down 2720, moving the ball a little bit, he throws to a quick in or a slant on his left, and the corner is rolled up into two into it.

And it's a pick six. Yeah. A guy, that's football 101. Like, you got a rolled corner. You can't throw it. You can't throw it quick in? That's a no-no. And now of a sudden they're down 34-20, and you're like, game, see you, that night.

And he brings them back, and they end up winning the game. Incredible. He brings them back with 239. Two-39. They're down 34-20. He throws a corner into a tight window that maybe even, I'm not sure you should throw that ball, but he fits it in and they score and then he comes back down and he throws a seam

down the middle of the field with like 19 seconds left and they end up winning that football game and Jeff. I know. It was an incredible comeback. Incredible comeback. But he put him in the position to have to come back. It was him. Yeah. But then he brought him back.

I like, low light. I don't love that. Some of the negatives. You talk about Oh, like quarterback accuracy, and he has it. He's also got significant misses. He's got some, like, airmail balls. Not a pony express.

Whatever. Some of them are big misses, dude. Some of them are touch passes like we were just talking about. Some of them are, like, screens and bubbles, like just massive, easy throws at her misses. Yeah, like, I put on, and granted, this is his first game back. the first game he played is Colorado. And he misses an easy one early to a tied end that should have been picked because it's such a bad throw. And then he misses a bubble, the next drive that he throws behind the receiver, it goes out of bounce.

You're like, whoa, those are bad misses. When it's the first film you put on, you're like, okay, in the first six throws, he's got two really bad misses. and you can go through the year and find the bad misses. I don't mind the miss on the body of a receiver just behind, but when you're throwing it seven yards over the head of it, you may as well be throwing it into the third row. Like, where does that come from, Kev? I just don't get it.

But that I'm questioned a little bit. It is a pro-style offense. They play, and David Shaw is one of the last guys in college that plays, you know, mostly under center, you know, tailback, full back, tight end, a couple receivers, you know, and is super conservative. No, it is, but that doesn't justify missing by seven yards. No, it doesn't. What about his mobility?

That seems to be to me. I mean, he's not that, you know, he's not that elusive. No, but he can move and extend to play. I think he's mobile enough to move to extend a play. You see him downfield. He can make one cut and make a guy miss. I'm questioning his ability to truly slide. He's got to...

He's got that big old knee brace he played with all year long. Right. He's going to probably keep wearing that knee brace for the rest of his career. So I think he's okay as far as mobility. When you look at mobility, downfields, whatever, I mean, it's not phenomenal. Mobility in the pocket's pretty solid. I like his pocket mobility. I think he needs to continue to improve with anticipation.

To me, he's got to see too much a lot of the time before he lets the ball go. He's either going to see the defense or he's got to see his receiver win. And there are other times where, I don't think of the game, man. He ends up taking a sack in the pocket. He takes it back like he's going to throw to a wide, open, deep crossing route to touch him. And then he eats it and takes a sack. Like, what are you seeing there that you missed? You find this a lot of times with different guys, but to me it's like some of the significant misses, some of these turn down looks, some of the throws that I question, like, did it come out on time?

I'm not sure. Now, it can come out on time. I'm not saying that he can't throw with anticipation, but he shows enough that he struggles with it. It improved through 2020, but there are still moments all the way through the end of the season, all the way through the end of his five games. He needed more time. did more time in a system. And I think people are going to see that. That's what the anticipation is going to come. They're going to say, prototypical

quarterback can make all these throws, can move enough in the pocket, doesn't have to look at the rush. We can develop this guy. So what... And I wrote, like, kind of like, chuck and duck with pressure. Like, throw and duck. And you're not going to throw and take one in the chest, which I actually like.

But he'll still throw an okay ball. And he can throw a decent deep ball. It's not always perfect, but he can throw a decent deep ball. He can So he could throw a decent, deep ball and a ball to the sideline, like a fate ball with some touch to the sideline. So I think you see him make every throw. You just see enough of the bad that you're really questioning it. Would you take him?

Not before the third round, by any means, no. Okay. You know, I don't think he's a starter. I don't think he starts for you in year one. I don't think he starts anywhere in year one. I think he's got a long way to go. But I think he's on the right track of where he's going with it. You know, he, like Kyle Allen, was basically the number one, you know, pro-style quarterback in his high school class.

Kyle Allen was, too. Kyle Allen was a five-star guy. And so was Mills. And he went to Stanford, didn't go to Georgia because I think, I think it's because Georgia recruited Fields. Or maybe it was from. I think he was, they recruited Jake Fromm instead because he's from suburban Atlanta. tore his knee up in the state championship game in the year. Well, that, but he would have...

So there could have been someone that said no. I think he committed, you know, long before that. I think he was committed, yeah. Yeah. All right, uh, let's do Kellyn Monde right after this word from one of our sponsors. Kellyn Monde, Texas A&M. Kellam looks bigger, by the way, than Mills, but he's not. He's maybe 6'3, and he's narrow, which I don't, like, he's 200 pounds.

I don't want to get too caught up in that. quarterback. He's a guy that I think has a big arm, and he's a guy that can, he can throw a ball. He can throw 65 yards and he can hit a guy in stride. So that's a, I mean, that's a plus. I think he's a guy that gets a ball out quick. It's not always pretty, but I think the ball comes out of a dance pretty quick. And I think in that he can go one, two, three, and balls out, and there's anticipation and some tight window throws. To me, he's a guy that can make some really, really good throws. Sharp A

throws into traffic, into tight windows. He's a good athlete to run to make plays off script. He's not an elite athlete where he's going to juke and people like Lamar Jackson in the field or like Jaylen Mills or even like Trey Lance, who's not

Lamar, but he's not that guy. Some of the negatives, we talked about feet. His feet are an absolute mess in the pocket. They're huge big stride off first step short choppy one two three there's a lot of wasted time with his feet i think some of that makes him look more tight than he actually is yeah uh i think it also hurts his accuracy at times because he doesn't have his feet under him in time to throw some of these balls i think he struggles a little bit with touch to me we talked about touch being a huge

thing i think he wants to throw it through everybody definitely like he is trying to be John Elway out there and I don't mean he's trying to be that's just the way he's throwing the ball it's rigid it's really mechanical it's more over the top than everything and he's trying to throw

balls through people he's just okay when he's on the move as far as throwing the football like it's not really a natural making a big time throws on the move there throws that he makes but to me it's not it doesn't look fluid by any means when he's moving to throw the football.

He gets away with a lot, some of the decision-making I would question for sure. But at the same time, he's a guy that didn't throw a ton of picks. You know, I think he threw, what, three picks last year? He's also a guy that's played a lot. I mean, played in, what, 10 and his freshman year, 13, 13, and 10 last year with the COVID year. So he's the guy that's played a ton of football. football. I told you, you know, I like Davis Mills. There's a lot of people that think Davis Mills is the fourth best quarterback. We were talking about this last week. Sixth, sixth

which is. There's a lot that think he's the fourth best. Oh, okay. Or, yes, fourth. Fourth? I haven't seen that. That like him more than Fields and Jones? Look at Chris Sims. Okay. Yeah, Chris. Ms. was big on, on Mills. I saw that after we talked about it over the weekend. Got it. I'm not taking that. bet with you right now, that it would be him before Trasker Mills. I think that when I look at him, he's a guy that I do appreciate that's slowly gotten better every single year. He looks like Dak Prescott to me. Dak was much more fluid. I think one of the things, and you said it with Mond, and when you

said it, I'm like, definitely, I mean, what we were talking about, you know, about guys that don't always throw with great touch. I mean, on a throw that's just three yards. You know, he's trying to drill it through somebody. He looks very stiff. He looks like he's trying so hard to, you know, to be mechanically right. And I don't know, to me, I loved Dak Prescott as a quarterback in college. He was really fluid. And by the way, won some really big games on his back. Mond has, You know, the one thing that you said and other people that I've argued with about Mond on, there's no doubt that 2020 was his best season. It was not only his best season in the way he played, it was his best season in team results.

The win over Florida was probably his biggest win since he's been the quarterback there. Florida was, you know, ranked third in the country or whatever they were. Florida's defense, though, was atrocious this year. And he was outstanding in that game. And he was better this year than he was in previous years. You go back, though, in some of those games, and especially when Jimbo got to Texas A&M, they had some big games, and there were some big expectations. And, you know, as a team, as an offense, they consistently fell flat in some of those big games.

Whether it was against, they played Clemson, you know, a couple years ago in Death Valley. They had Clemson and Alabama and Georgia all on their schedule in 2019, I think it was. It could have been 2018. And it just wasn't even close to being good enough. Not even close. So I remember those games. They stick out to me because they were big games. But you're right, he got better this year.

He got better. And the team's results were much better with him. him this year. So I give him credit for that, but he's too stiff and not fluid enough for me. No, and it's funny because you watch his pro-day, like we were talking about his feet and it doesn't look as stiff. Like his feet are so much better as pro-day. Clearly worked on it very hard going into that pro-day. Right. Like the top of the drop type of stuff. But gosh, yeah, he's just so upright and so rigid. Right. He's got a big arm. He does have a massive arm.

And it's not like it's this deliberate launch pad throw. Like, he can let it go. Oh, yeah. He can let it fly. Yeah. I mean, it's not like he's got to put his whole body into it. He can throw it, but he's a fastball pitcher. Yeah, I also.

We've got to teach this guy out of throw a change-up, bro. You know, you talked about, you know, can the guy lead him downfield with the game on the line? Too many times the answer was no. Too many times. Well, and the thing is, he doesn't have all. be intangible to do that. I just don't, he's,

when you're leading him down the field, man, you've got to be able to move a little bit and on the run just whip one out there and you've got to be able to get to the check down quick. There's too many, like, need to see it, have to have it, and works really well when they're operating in that

RPO can go with Zone Read, can keep a run-pass mix. When it's straight past, he just doesn't have the pure intangibles from what I like. as a quarterback to make any kind of throw. It's got to be more right for him. They're both very different quarterbacks, which makes it interesting.

You know, I think Mills is a project more for sure. You see more like pure quarterback type stuff that you like from Mills. I think Mond is a guy that you know more of what you're getting and will be a slow developing progress through the NFL where you may be able to play him a little bit earlier, but I don't know if the ceiling's there. but I mean when you're talking about the next guy taken

if these were to be and they will be the they will be the sixth and seventh and then eight wherever trash fits in there and I'll watch him I don't think either of these guys I'd take before the fourth round yeah I'm glad you said that that's sort of the way I felt about both of them

and watching them just remembering watching them not a lot of Mills at all for me in terms of even remembering him because he didn't play that much. But God, I watched a lot of Kell and Monda over the last three or four years. And I just remember each time in each game. You know, this guy's got an NFL arm and he's an NFL prospect. And I'm like, no, no thank you.

I do like Kyle Trask, though. So I am interested to see what you think of Trask as a pro prospect. And the other guy, too, that I really loved when he was awake and we didn't get to see him last year. But there was a lot of, you know, buzz about Jamie Newman in the year in him playing in the SEC this year before he opted out because of COVID. I would have loved to have seen what kind of year he would have had at Georgia on that team with that defense this year because they really were not good enough offensively.

So maybe those are the two we shoot for doing on Wednesday. Yeah, I'm surprised he opted out. Yeah. are you? I mean, this was a huge opportunity. That was a really good football team except at quarterback, and they just had their struggles offensively. But defensively in the SEC, Georgia was better than Bama, Florida, and LSU

defensively this year. I mean, it was not a... When you were going to have the ability, you were going to have the chance to run more of an offense that everyone wants to see you run. Yeah. Like Wake had that. weird, delayed zone read offense that they ran so much. Remember we talked about that?

They're walking it to the line of scrimmage before they're pulling it, and it's weird stuff that Wig did. Yeah, I would have loved to have seen him with Georgia this year. They just could not score enough when it mattered. And they had the kid from SC, Daniels ended up being in the lineup. J.T. Daniels and then they had the guy Stetson Bennett early, and neither one of them was Newman talent-wise, I don't think. So, but Newman apparently had a shitty, you know, practice week in Mobile. So, you know, that's a, that's knocked him down. I mean, I barely even hear his

name anymore, but watching him at Wake, he looked like he had something to him. I think Trask is just really tough and big and strong and a guy that will be in the NFL. You know, I hate to say this, but he sort of reminds me of, you know, the guy that I told you that I liked coming out of Oregon State. That is the backup in Minnesota. I'm forgetting his name right now that I loved him so much. And I thought he would definitely start games in the NFL. The dude that was with the Rams?

The guy that Sean signed and is with the. or was with the Rams. Yeah, Sean Mannion. Like, to me, there's a lot of Sean Mannion and Kyle Trask similarities. But I think Trask is even... Manion was a big dude. Where is Mannion now?

With them signing Stafford, I'm assuming he's not in L.A. I have no idea where Mannion is. No, he's not in L.A. But Sean did like him right. He wasn't in L.A. last year. Well, you had him there, but I can't even remember, to be honest with you.

Yeah. I don't think I ever talked to Sean about Mannion. He was in Minnesota last year, but he's not on their team right now. I think he's still a free – he might be a free agent. Okay, so overall, basically, you wouldn't pick either one of these guys before the fourth round. Nope. All right. We're done for the day. Cooley will be back with me on Wednesday.

Tommy, tomorrow. Have a great day.