The Kevin Sheehan Show - Betting & Drafting

Episode Date: April 21, 2023

 Tim Murray and Ben Standig react to Shaka Toney's suspension and discuss what the Commanders will do next week in the NFL Draft.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it. You don't need it. But you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Chean Show. Here's Kevin. Happy Friday, everyone. Tim Murray's sitting in for Kevin once again. He'll be back on Monday, getting you ready for the NFL draft.

And I'm sure reacting to the news of the day that Shaka Tony has been suspended for gambling. and he is one of five players to be suspended by the NFL for violating the gambling policies in the NFL. Kind of ironic that I am, you know, filling in here on these two days as I work at Vason, the gambling network out in Las Vegas. I work with a former NFL player and I'll get his perspective later tonight, Sean King. But I'm going to make it a quick open because Ben Standig's going to join us in just a little bit. I'd scheduled to talk to Ben about yesterday's Martin Mayhew and Ron Rivera press conference, which we got a whole lot of nothing from, which wasn't surprising pre-draft. I don't think he's

going to come out either one of them. You know, at 16, I think we're going to draft Deontay Banks for Maryland. All right, Lee, no one else pick him, because that's who our guy is. So we'll talk to Ben briefly about that, but we'll also discuss some possibilities at 16. Can we cross anybody off the list at 16 as well? So we'll do that, but we'll certainly talk some Shaka Tony here and the news that came out today regarding this suspension. So Chakotony out for this season, the Washington commanders said in a statement, we have been aware of the suspension of Shaka Tony. We have cooperated fully. with the NFL's investigation since receiving notice and support the league's findings and

actions. The other Lions players, they were released, except for James and Williams, Quintes Cephas and C.J. Moore were both released for current or former members of the Lions received suspensions, including the most notable James and Williams. James and Williams, a little bit of a different situation where it is believed that he was. betting on college games, but was doing it from the facility. So that was the issue there. The statement from the NFL, so the league became aware of the Lions became aware of the NFL's investigation a month ago before the league reached a final decision. Brad Holmes made a statement there, their general manager as well. Look, at the end of the day,

And I'm going to read J.P. Finley's tweet because I thought it was interesting. And I tend to agree with what JP said. JP said there's undeniable hypocrisy involved in NFL cashing in on sports betting while suspending players for betting. Undeniable. At same time, though, players share in revenue the league and teams get from sports books. And no league ever anywhere can allow players to. bet on their games. There is a bit of hypocrisy, considering that FedEx Field does have a sports book in it,

as does Capital One Arena, where the Wizards and Capitals and Mystics, Mystics they'll play there. Well, Wizards and Capitals play there. So, yes, I understand there's a bit of hypocrisy, but players are allowed to bet on everything else. If they were told, hey, you can't bet on any other sports, to me, that would be hypocritical and something that really wouldn't make a ton of sense. But for them to tell players, you can't bet in your facility, which I don't know how much for James and Williams side of it, how much they were told that you could not bet inside your facility or in a stadium or whatever it is. I don't think it's that hard.

I, and yeah, you could say, easy for you to say, you dope, you do it every day. I do do it every day. But if my job told me I am not allowed to bet on particular games or particular sports or whatever, I would do it because that's what my job told me to do. And I'm curious to hear the perspective of other players, and I can't wait to get the perspective of my co-host as well, Sean King. I don't think it's that hard to ask a NFL player who's making six plus figures in Shaka Tony's case to not bet on the NFL.

And also, when you look at what just happened in the league last year with Calvin Ridley and his suspension, I think that should have been a pretty big wake-up call. saying, hey, don't gamble on the NFL. So at the end of the day, Chocotony, we'll talk to Ben and what the severity and what the significance of his suspension means for this team personnel-wise. It feels certainly like the lions are in a little bit worse shape

than the commanders here with the suspension. But I agree with what JP said. Is there hypocrisy? Yeah, sure. The NFL wants to get into the gambling business, wants to make some money on the gambling side of things. However, I think the rules are pretty clear. You can't bet on the NFL. And it was shown last year when Calvin Ridley was suspended for a parlay, multiple parley.

Look, there's no inside information on a parlay. We know that. You can't have enough inside information where you get an eight-leg parlay. Sorry, not going to happen. but at the end of the day, that was the precedent set. You should know that. And yes, the league is benefiting it from it, but the players are benefiting from it as well. So while there may be some hypocrisy at the end of the day, just don't do it.

It's pretty simple. You can bet on everything else. Don't do it inside the facility. Bet on NFL or college football, NBA, Major League Baseball. but you just can't bet in the league that you play in. I don't think that is that complicated of an issue. So much more on this. Also, what Martin Mayhew and Ron Rivera said yesterday at the press conference

and mostly we'll be talking about the NFL draft and what Washington could potentially do at 16. I am going to close the show with some thoughts today on the quarterback class. Obviously, Washington is not expected to take a quarterback at 16. Could an opportunity present itself? Possible. But some information came out regarding the scores of this S2 cognitive test and what it could ultimately mean for the big five, the big five quarterbacks that have been talked about as potential first round picks and how this could lead to players dropping, There's rising. So we'll get to that after Ben Standing as well. And I do want to close out as we

go into the weekend. Just giving you my perspective of what it means to me as a 35-year-old, born and raised in Montgomery County, lived in Maryland all my life until moving out to Las Vegas in 2020. My perspective on Dan Snyder heading out as the owner of the So all that after our interview with Ben Standing. That is coming up next after a few words from our sponsors. All right, welcome back. Tim Murray once again sitting in for Mr. Sheehan as he takes a little time off. And wouldn't you know it?

We get a little bit of breaking news on a Friday. And no one better to talk to. I actually had scheduled to talk to this gentleman just about the draft. We'll talk plenty of draft. But the shock at Tony News is interesting. to say the least. Ben Standing from the athletic standing room only. Of course, the podcast, his most recent podcast out there has a breakdown of draft prospects with Matt Miller from ESPN. Mr. Standig, I was going to call you yesterday because I'm out of town. I don't live there anymore.

And you were always my go-to wizards guy. So when Tommy Shepherd got fired, I'm like, got to call Ben. Oh, that's right. He covers the commanders now. So we had to go with your colleague, Josh Robbins, but how you doing, brother? I am, I'm doing well. The Wizards, you could always call me on the wizard still. I have, I have many thoughts on, on that and talked about it on the podcast yesterday, in fact, as well. But yeah, I'm doing well. You know, look, I'm a staple, relatively speaking on a machine. You are not, and actually, you couldn't have a better person to be talking to today about this gambling situation because of what you do with your day job. And I think this is like a fascinating

topic in that regard. Yeah, it is. And I opened with it. And, you know, when you have breaking news and you don't have a ton of time to let it sink in, you just kind of go with your gut. So essentially in the open, what I said was, is there, you know, some hypocrisy? And I think you tweeted about it. Yeah, there's absolutely some hypocrisy because the NFL wants its cake, you know,

but you can't you can't take a slice of this cake. However, you're allowed to bet on other sports outside of the NFL and you can't clearly gamble inside the facility. And what I don't know, Ben, and I don't know if you know the answer, is, you know, how much do they hammer that home? Obviously, the Calvin Ridley news, I think, should have been a wake-up call to anybody out there. And, you know, Shocatona being suspended for the year.

the reports are, maybe you have more inside information on it, that he did bet on some NFL games. At the end of the day, man, if your boss tells you you can't do this particular thing, you tend to oblige to that. And I feel like they have made it looser for players to still gamble on other things. Just don't bet on the NFL. And I don't think that's that hard of a concept to grasp, especially after. we saw the severity of the suspension that was handed down to Calvin Ridley last year.

So shock at Tony done for the year. We'll get to the ramifications of that for what it means for the commanders moving forward. But just kind of your grasp of this whole situation and how aware players are of the rules of gambling now that it is so, you know, readily available. Right. I mean, look, we all grew up with the story. of the of the black sock scandal and there's been a couple other moments here and there and so i think for us of you know i'm older than you but like you know we've all been kind of it wasn't an option to really worry too much about widespread gambling because there was no gambling like gambling was

a very taboo until like 10 minutes ago right there's no association with the NFL it seems and so the question once this all started is okay well how are we going to be able to trust the the people involved, right, in terms of betting on their own sport or not. It's a pretty easy bar to clear to not bet on an NFL game if you're an NFL player. If like you said, if that's what they said the rule is, I don't have that. That seems to be, you know, without knowing what happened here in the case of Tony and the other two players who the Detroit already cut today, it seems like that's a pretty easy line to cross. I am a little curious, though, that the other two players, including James and Williams,

the first round pick by the Lions last year. He suspended six games for apparently not betting on foot on the NFL, but betting in the team facility. That seems weird to me because the commanders just opened the very first sports book in a stadium. Now, I assume when they mean facility, I assume they probably mean the practice facility, not Ford Field or whatever it's called in Detroit now. But regardless, that seems, if we're going to get towards hypocrisy,

that kind of feels like we're there. Like, I get it. Don't bet on the NFL, but to not be able to bet in the building that, I don't know, I mean, it just seems kind of weak. Yeah, no, I agree. And now everything's on your phone. I'll be honest, I'm kind of surprised that they figured it out. Like, do we go, do we go tracking where these bets came from?

How do we know they weren't in their car when they made these bets? But, you know, James and Williams from the Detroit Lions, clearly the most notable player of these five players that were suspended. But, yeah, I think it's a pretty easy thing. And, you know, just before hit and record on the podcast today, Pat McAfee's show popped up on my Twitter feed. And I was like, all right, what does a former player have to say about this? And he had Pac-Man Jones there as well.

And they were both kind of on the same stance of, you just can't be on the NFL. Like, it's not that hard. you know, the hilarity for someone who works in the gambling space like myself about the Calvin Ridley thing, Ben, was that, you know, he was betting parlays. So it's like, man, you got suspended for betting like eight leg parlays. Like, come on, bro. Like, it's not like you had inside information there. So, yeah, it's interesting. I think it's pretty easy to not bet on the NFL.

You know, if it's part of your job, pretty clear that you can't do it. But yeah, the no betting in the facility, I don't know how easy or how much that has been hammered home. You know, Jameson Williams, I think they put out a statement via his agency, Ben, said, you know, he accepts full responsibility. Clearly it was a mistake. I think that's something now that, you know, the league is going to want to certainly want to police a little bit. Curious, your thoughts, what do you, not that you've talked to any players, but what do you feel like players will ultimately say about this suspension? Do you think there'll be kind of an agreement? Like, hey, man, you just can't bet on the NFL? I mean, I would think so. Again, if you're being logical about it,

you don't want like, so the NBA, tell me if I'm wrong, because I'm sure you've talked about this, the NBA, right, they just came up with a new agreement between the league and the players. And within that, it said that players could now be spokespeople or advertised or even invest, I think, in the gambling space, like in the different companies? Am I right? Something along those lines? I think you're right. Yeah, some of the along those lines.

Yeah. So like this, this feels like it's getting murky. It's getting murky. Yeah. The lines are getting blurred for sure. You don't want to be viewed. You want everything to be viewed above board because the worst thing that could ever happen for these leagues would be any sense that these games are being fixed.

I mean, I know we all talk about, you know, certain referees. you know if Chris Paul is on the court and that was it Scott Foster? Yeah, like what the record is or or that Lakers, Kings playoff series from 2002 or, you know, whatever, or the Cowboys get all the breaks or whatever.

But in terms of actual, you know, something rep, you know, like that, that would be the worst thing that could happen. So you got to steer clear of this. And I think at a baseline level,

don't bet on the sport you plan. That doesn't seem that complicated. I could even see if they said for college football, You couldn't only because all these guys obviously went somewhere and they would have some potential insight into, you know, whatever injury might be happening on their team that day or whatever. But other than that, just don't put it on the NFL. It doesn't seem that complicated. I would think reasonable players would agree with that. Yeah, I think so.

And you're seeing it very, very lightly. And I think for James and Williams, it seems like it was just a mistake not knowing that, hey, you can't bet in your facility. All right, real quickly, before we get to the draft, because that's more important. The impact of Shaka Tony likely being suspended for the year is what? You know, not much. I mean, no, just no, not want to discount a guy who, you know, he's been around for two years, just hasn't played a ton. Even last year with Casey Young out for the year, he was, you know, deep reserve behind

Montess sweat, Casey Two Hill, James Smith Williams, F.A. Obata, you know, I've been playing around with these seven-round mock drafts for the commanders. My general rule is, I'm not. drafting a player if I don't see a path for that player to get on the roster. They're this guy. You can't just just got to, you got to, you got to, you can't just draft the guy and there's no word to put him. I have been taking a defensive end somewhere for a variety of reasons, including what

may happen next year. But also it's like, well, Chocotony's there, but you can be replaced if it comes to that. So that, that's kind of where I'm at, you know, he could be interesting, but, you know, their, their world doesn't fall apart with, with him being out. All right. Let's get to yesterday. The reason I had you on, I want to talk about the draft. Yesterday on this podcast, I talked to Thorneisdram. We broke down some possible, you know, people that could come here and he kind of went in depth on those particular players. You're more, in my opinion of, okay, what would make sense at 16 further down the board? But Mark Mayhew and Ron Rivera spoke yesterday. We were talking off there. You're like, yeah, nothing came out of it. Not surprising, but I wouldn't be doing my job as a fill-in host for Sheehan if I didn't ask the question. Anything interesting come from that press conference?

First of all, Thorneisdram. How do I get a name like that? That's an awesome name, isn't it? Yeah, that's a great name. Yeah, no, I mean, look, it doesn't behoove me to just tell you that there was nothing interesting because I don't want people to be like, yeah, well, we can turn this off. Don't read your, don't read my articles. Well, look, honestly, I wrote it, look, I'll be honest, I wrote an article that was up this morning that said they said nothing. And I even told my editor before I wrote it on my time, I really have to write this?

Like they, I mean, they said nothing, nothing, nothing. But, okay, I leaned into the nothingness. And what does the nothingness tell us about, you know, is that ownership watching? Are they really being that close to the vest or what's going on? One question I did ask them was about, and this pertains potentially to their person. round pick in that offensive lineman, particularly for tackles, has been a constant mention for them, totally reasonable. But at the same time, you have Charles Leno left tackle, who's been fine. They signed Andrew Wiley this offseason, who was, of course, the right tackle for the Chiefs in the

Super Bowl. Eric B. Enemy is now here. We see how that works. But Wiley has played guard in the past, and if Washington's going to consider tackle at 16, maybe it's darn all right from Tennessee. Are they willing to move Wiley inside? Now, in that case, Wright can play guard as well. But that I asked about that. And the answer we got back from Martin Mayhew was, has to be expected, to mention their flexibility that they have guys like Wiley and Cosme

and Nick Gates, the new center guard they got, that they can play all over the place depending on what they end up drafting. So they feel that they can kind of take whatever because of that flexibility. But at the same point, you know, you signed Wiley for a reason. We didn't get a good answer on that. And I don't know that Eric B. enemy would be,

would move him inside. But logically, I think they should consider it because they've got to get some better upside talent on that line. It's not just enough to get guys that can start. They need to get guys who can go to another level to help take this offense to another level. So sitting there at 16 and I pulled up, there's a,

there's someone out there in the, in the gambling space, because you can bet on the NFL draft. that has done a really good job of taking in all the mock drafts and kind of putting a percentage by what Washington has been mocked to do at 16. Now, they're all mock drafts. Who the hell knows if they'll hit? But over 50% of mock drafts out there right now, Ben, have the commanders going

defensive back or cornerback because there's no safeties, essentially, in this draft class or in the first round, I should say. So what's your feel on the cornerback position? And I don't know if you've done a mock yet. You put up a bunch on the site, which I thought were really interesting. But sitting there at cornerback, the people that they have spoken to with their 30 visits, does cornerbacks seem to make some sense for Washington at 16? Definitely makes sense.

If you look at their starting lineup, the all 22, the only position that I couldn't tell you right now who would start. Like that you'd be like, all right, at least in some spot, I'm fine. I don't know who their fifth defensive back is and they primarily play a sub package. It was Bobby McCain last year. They moved on from him. They've got two corners.

They've got two safeties. I don't know who the fifth guy is. They also don't have an obvious third cornerback. Danny Johnson's been a really good fill in when he's had to be the last couple of years, but they don't clearly view him as the third guy. Plus Kendall Fuller's contract is up after the season. So if there's no extension or something, then, you know, they'd have to get somebody else anyway. So I think corner does make sense.

And here's the other reasons I think it kind of makes sense. It's considered a deep corner class. But I think there's a bit of a cutoff after the first four, five, six of those guys. Also, even though I know they want to take offensive lines. somewhere. Day 2 has a lot of guys, particularly interior offensive lineman, and there's still some tackles like a DeWan Jones from Ohio State. Maybe he's there at 47, maybe not. I think they like that tier as well. And you could take corner around two, but I think they're going to be in a position to get, you know, not probably Devin Witherspoon, probably not Christian Gonzalez, but maybe

the third cornerback. And I think that could make a lot of sense for them. again, depends on the offensive line options, but my read of the board would be cornerback would make a lot of sense for them there at 16. Yeah, you look at offensive line and I don't know where the run's going to begin. And the, you know, today, and we're going to talk about this in the close, Bob McGinn, the longtime analyst out there has been doing his, you know, breakdowns. And today was the big day because of the S2 test, which I actually want to get your opinion on. and, you know, the rankings or the numbers for all the quarterbacks.

But, you know, the interesting thing for me was how he looked at or not how he personally looked at, but how people around the league had told him how this offensive line class was. So, you know, it's really interesting kind of how that will all play out. You know, at 16, I know one of your mocks, you had Broderick, it was a Broderick Jones from Tennessee going. there. Do you think, well, let's start with this, because I've kind of been rambling here. Have the commanders met with some of the tackles that could be available at 16? They have met with Darnell Wright that we know of. I don't, I'm not aware about the Broderick

Jones or the Paris Johnson class. I met, you know, Johnson's going to be gone. Right. So I don't, I'm not aware of that. And that's the thing. I don't know, like, once you get past darn all right. You know, look, you know, could you take an Osiris Torrance, the guard out of Florida? You know, I know it's a guard, not a, not a tackle, but like could you take a guy like that? Maybe, but it feels like if you, you know,

better value if you can somehow trade down or trade back up into the second round. I don't know there's a ton of other guys after right that, that, that make me think will go in that range. So I did a mock draft the other day. day for somebody, you know, where I was representing Washington. And I got to the board and it was like, Darno Wright was gone, Deontay Banks was gone. And I wanted to trade out immediately. I didn't like that spot at that point at all, but, you know, wasn't one of those deals. So it does kind of feel like

it could be a darn all right or bust in that spot. I mean, they obviously may disagree and have a complete different board. But that is my kind of wonder for them. Yeah. And darnall right, the big guy out of at a Tennessee mixed kind of mixed results or mixed thoughts when it comes to the mock drafting community that you are you're a part of there.

You know, as for corners, Joey Porter Jr., we talked about him yesterday on the podcast. Sitting there at 16, it seems like I've heard some people kind of have some negative thoughts about him in the sense of just kind of only doing on one particular thing.

You know, Joey Porter Jr. Commonly mocked to the commanders at 16. What do you think about that possibility? So when I said before that I didn't like the spot I was in in this mock draft, Joey Porter Jr. were sitting there. Look, I, he might have a all pro career. No, I don't know. We'll see.

But every time I read something about him at profile or talk to anybody, And I talk about this a lot on the podcast. He's considered to be like the best press man corner, perhaps in this draft class. And that may work for some folks. But here, Washington just had this debacle with William Jackson, the third over the last couple of years, where he really just seemed to struggle to adjust to what they were trying to do

with their zone, having played man primarily with the Bengals. I know maybe Joey Porter would not have any of these issues, but it just doesn't feel like it's a schematic fit. And that's why I said before, where I didn't like the idea that he might be the player, the sort of the logical player if I'm just going off of the boards. But I don't know that I that they concur with with that assessment. So and it does feel like if I'm reading the various,

I don't know what your number show, but like it does feel like he's sliding a tick. Like I've seen more people talk about Deontay Banks going ahead of him or at least that they would prefer him ahead of him. So kind of feels like there's a little bit of a downward trend for poor. So I don't love him for Washington and would think they could figure something else out if they'd I concur that he's not a great scheme fit. You know, this is always, as always brought up, you know, hey, tradeback.

You know, it's not always that easy, right? Ask the Houston Texans because I don't know how many people are racing to get up to number two. Do they keep that pick? Do they go quarterback? Do they go edge rusher? I said yesterday on the podcast that they're going to go edge rusher. I don't know if that's true anymore. I don't know if ultimately they go quarterback.

They, you know, if the McNair family walks in and says, we need a face of the franchise. So we will see ultimately. But, you know, trade back at 16 does kind of seem interesting, especially, let me bring in, you know, look at this way. Because tight end, how big of a need is tight end, obviously with Logan Thomas being banged up there? But my question is, with a loaded tight end class, do you race to the board, if everybody's available, if mayor, if Concater available at 16, do you say, we'll just take one of those guys? Or I think what you kind of pointed out in a couple of your mock drafts and what we talked about a little bit yesterday was, this is thought to be one of the better tight end classes

we've seen in a while, Ben, do you pass on tight end there because you believe that Ultimately, you can get a pretty quality tight end later on, whether it be, you know, Luke Musgrave out of Oregon State or the kid out of South Dakota State, Tucker Kraft. I mean, your colleague, Dane Bruegler, has five tight ends in his top 51. So when the offseason began and you start going through Washington scenario, I had tight end very high on the list because I thought that Logan Thomas, could be a salary cap casually. And I thought he might be the main one to go with.

I mean, you know, he hasn't, he had a really good 2020, but then injuries and just, you know, and other things just have it. It's just not been the same. But he maybe showed some improvement off the knee injury at the end of the last year. But, and that would have been for me more or less getting a veteran. But, okay, look, like you said, this is a really good tight end class. But throughout this all season, they have over and over again,

shot down the idea of, maybe they haven't shot the idea of getting a tight end, but they have praised the group that they have. That they saw Logan Thomas, you know, knock off a bunch of rust as the season went on, that they like John Bates as his number two blocker. And then more importantly,

last year they draft Cole Turner in the fifth round and they find Armani Rogers a college quarterback and turn him into a tight end. And they really like the potential with both these guys. Cole Turner had a fantastic OTA, that part of the offseason minicamp last year, a really big catch radius. Then he got hurt early in training camp and just never caught up. They had so many injuries that Armani Rogers actually played a fair amount.

He only had, I think, five receptions, but he looked apart. He didn't look like he was at a whack despite changing the positions. And he's got some real interesting physical dimension. So I mentioned earlier, when I do these drafts, I try to view it as do I see a roster spot for this player? I actually don't for tight end. And also I didn't even mention they, Curtis Hodges, another guy they signed last year.

He was a, he's like a, you know, eight foot tall, tight end. Played at Arizona State. He, they put him on IR before the year, but they really like him too. So I, you know, look, could they draft someone? Of course. And it is a deep class. But I kind of think they feel like they've got their guys. have some prospect types.

So I actually would, in my final one, I probably won't have them taking tight end. And then there's running back. And I've seen a bunch of, and one of your mocks on the website had it, you know, a bunch of folks mocking Bejohn Robinson to Washington at 16. You know, best player on your board. He's probably be the best player in a lot of people's boards as they go further down. But that just doesn't make a ton of sense to me, knowing. that they drafted Brian Robinson. They seem to like Brian Robinson,

Antonio Gibson as well. To me, we'll start with Bejan Robinson, and then we'll get to the scenario if he's available at 16. But Bejan Robinson, all the mocks that have had that, I discredit that. I would be stunned if they went Bejan Robinson. It's pretty obvious.

I mean, I go through this as well. Wherever anybody is putting Bejan Robinson, it's because they don't know where to put Bejan Robinson. 100%. I mean, the easy one would be Eagles at 10. We move on. Or if you want to project Dallas trades up from 26, I think, to, you know, 18, great. But other than that, it's like there's just nowhere to put them.

So people have just been giving him to Washington because, you know, at some point he's got to go somewhere. Like you said, it doesn't make any sense for their needs and the fact that they have these two running backs. the only way it could potentially make any sense would be they just say, look, we do have two good running backs. This guy's better. And it's reasonable that he will be. I mean, as much as we all like what Brian Robinson did last year, he was a third round pick from Alabama. He averaged less than four yards per carry, not on him per se. I mean, the line wasn't good.

And hello, he came back from being shot twice. So, you know, not just counting Brian Robinson, but he was the 97th Pellier picked last year. And if we're just talking about big boards, Bejonna Robinson's a top five pick. So that's something they would have to discuss. Also, we know how much they've emphasized wanting to run the ball earlier in this offseason. But like you said, it just doesn't make any sense for them to do that. Plus, you would be marginalizing Antonio Gibson dramatically. And you really can't trade him.

He's going to have no value entering the last year of his contract. So even if you wanted to play that game, I don't want to just trade Antonio Gibson for a late date. three pick. That wouldn't not be great. So I think that's a dilemma they're in, but ultimately, I just don't see that it would make a ton of sense for them to do it. Yeah, I agree. Even though Bichon Robinson might be an incredible talent. And I don't know where, I'm to your point, like, you know, when I look at it from the gambling side of things with his over under being like 12 and a half Bijon Robinson, I don't know. It's a complete no bet for me because I could see him going eight or ten, but I could also see them going late teens because of just how much the

running back position has been, you know, downgraded here. All right, Ben, just to kind of wrap up on this, what have you heard, because I'm going to talk about it here in a little bit, about this S2 cognitive tests that's been kind of making the waves here lately. C.J. Stroud reportedly very poor on the S2 cognitive test. and Bryce Young was off the charts. Will Levis very good as well. Have you heard anything? Talk to any agents about this S2 cognitive test

and how much teams are weighing this when it comes to the quarterback position? Yeah, I haven't heard a ton about it now. My colleague Matt Barrows, who covers the 49ers, he's the one I think really first wrote about this and put it out there, and it's gained a lot of momentum since, and I saw the CJ Strad number.

and, you know, that's, I guess it seems like it's potentially alarming and perhaps could be a reason why he's getting mentioned now, not only going number one, maybe not even going number two and maybe slipping a little bit. Look, I think it's an interesting tool. A lot of these things are interesting tools. It's probably just the newest interesting tool. So I don't know that it necessarily has massive weight. Ultimately, the tape is what everybody kind of looks at. But you're looking for as much detail as possible to. especially when you're making a top five pick, right?

You know, you don't want to botch that and a quarterback. So I get that it's an interesting way to take a look at how these guys react in real time to situations. As like a quarterback is going to have to reading a defense. But I don't know how much it's, you know, I guess we would have to look back and see if they, you know, over time, what would a Jamarcus Russell or a Johnny Mansell have gotten versus the other, you know, the other way. Or there are other guys who were just overly cerebral, but it doesn't translate on the field. So that, that's the part I would want to know about as well. But, you know, it's certainly interesting for sure. All right. Rapping it up on this. 16th pick. Washington's on

the clock in six days. Your gut feel right now, Ben Standing at 16. So Ron Rivera yesterday seemed to suggest that they have like a group of five because he said that they're looking at because he said that once you get to the 11th pick in their head they're sort of like on the clock trying to figure out how the board's going to go and i was playing around yesterday trying to figure out who those five could be i came up with in some order um deonté banks brian branch to the the corner safety from alabama even though maybe that's a little high for that position bit high but yeah lucas van ness the defensive end from iowa i've been on this story of it does it makes some sense for them to really consider taking

defensive end if they don't pick up Chase Young's option. Montess, what's a free agent after this year? Probably losing one of them, so that could be something to do. What's that? Three. Yep. Who else? Porter or no? I did not have Porter.

I think I have like Broder Jones just in case he would be like the left tackle if he were to slide. But ultimately darned out right. You know, again, if you make me pick someone right now, it just feels like that would make some sense. And since he can play guard, you could leave Wiley a tackle. If you want to do, give the kid a chance to learn the ropes playing

inside. And then, you know, in the year, you know, Charles Leno could be gone at left tackle. Maybe you move somebody over there. So I would go darnell right with Deonté Banks sort of one B because if they, if they decide they want a cornerback. My prediction will be right now subject to change Deonté Banks from Maryland. He's rising. Joey Porter seems to be falling, tested out of this world. And I think Ben, I think we're going to get a run on offensive linemen because this class is thought to be pretty weak. And I think you're going to see Johnson, Skoronsky, Jones and Wright maybe go pretty early. But at 16, I think, my guess is you'll have the pick of banks or one of the linemen. And I think that would be my hunch right now that Washington

will be determining between banks or one of the offensive linemen. That would be my, guess right now. Yeah, I can agree. I really think Brian Branch would be fascinating, but it does feel like he's dropped a bit since the combine. And again, that position, I don't know. Like nickel, nickel corner, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I can see coaches falling in love with him. Yeah. But they don't quite need it per se. And then like I said, I'm, I all I want, I just want Lucas Van Ness on the board when they pick. I don't know if they would do it. It will give it, It would be a huge tell, obviously, if they did it, what they would do with Chase Young's option. But I just think there's something potentially there.

He could go A to Atlanta, and this could be a moot point. But I would just kind of want him to be there just to see what happens. Ben, you're the best. I appreciate it. Didn't think we'd be talking gambling suspensions today. But, hey, you know, this team, as you know, and I know, never ceases to amaze you. So you throw a little wrinkle in there with a gambling suspension. about a week out of the draft.

Look, you're a gambling insider. I may or may not have been suspended in my life. Who knows? So, yeah, we got it all covered. There he is. Ben Standing at Ben Standing on Twitter. Of course, you know him from all his workover at the athletic. Standing Room Only is the podcast.

All right, when we come back, we'll wrap things up. I do want to give you some thoughts on how these quarterbacks seem to be stacking up. And a little story time from yours truly regarding my fandom and this. Washington football franchise. That's coming up next after a couple words from our sponsors. All right. We're back, Tim Murray sitting in for Kevin. Kevin back on Monday.

Just a reminder, great to talk to you guys. Love being back on in the D.C. space. Anytime Kevin can have me on, I do it in a flash. I love it. I miss D.C. certainly. But having a great time out here on V-Sin. If you're curious, V-Sin primetime, 6 to 9 p.m. weeknights. You can watch it on YouTube TV, stream it for free on the app, on IHeart app as well, vsen.com. And actually, if you're driving around town, you still live in D.C., I know a lot of people listening to this podcast are like me. Moved away. I got a text from a good friend of mine who lives in Philadelphia now yesterday. I said, hey, man, heard you, heard you filling in for Sheehan on the podcast. So a lot of us move away.

and still listen. So obviously, as I said yesterday, Kevin's on here, so I don't need to blow smoke up his butt. But it's a great pod, and I love listening to it. And anytime I can be a part of it. But yeah, if you're in D.C., you can listen to my show on 1190 a.m. as well. So weekdays from a weekdays Monday through Friday.

I do want to get to the S2 cognitive test that has kind of made some waves today. But while I'm thinking of it and, you know, mentioning an old friend who was moved out of town and, you know, some of my buddies, certainly a lot of my buddies, still in D.C. And I got a text from one of my friends when the news came out about the ownership change, however many weeks ago it was. And he said, today is our Super Bowl. He's 35. I'm 35. you know, Kevin, a bit older. And when I worked at 980 with Kevin, it was always, it was fun to hear the stories.

And I love hearing the walk down memory lane. History is a part of sports, right? You know, hearing about all the great moments. But, you know, the Daniel Snyder era, as Kevin has certainly documented, and I think many of you who are listening felt it, you know, ruined a generation if plus of of Washington Redskins slash football fans. And, you know, I was born at Shady Grove Hospital in Montgomery County,

lived in Montgomery County my entire life, went to St. Elizabeth's on Montrose Road and Rockville, went to St. John's for a year, graduated from the Heights in Potomac right there on Seven Locks Road, went to college in Pennsylvania, came back home, lived kind of all over the state ultimately landed in just outside of Annapolis in a town called Arnold, Maryland, just 10 minutes away from the Bay Bridge. So I've been fully Washingtonian in my entire life. Now, a little different than I would say some of my friends and some of you listening in, my parents not from Maryland or D.C. My parents are from Long Island.

They moved to D.C., Maryland in 1984. So I was the only one of my three siblings born in Maryland. My brother basically grew up his whole life, still lives in Maryland in the D.C. area. And secondly, you know, to the true Redskin fans out there, my dad wasn't a Redskins fan. He was a Notre Dame fan. He went to Notre Dame, so that's where my passion,

if you know me, follow me for Notre Dame football, has come from. But obviously growing up in this area, I gravitated towards the Redskins. But once you start having sports memories and everything is crap, it's really hard to get fired up about this, franchise. And then, you know, certainly there were moments. And I tell the story to Sean King all

the time that I vividly remember that January 2000 day, Brian Mitchell returns the opening kickoff of the second half, 100 yards against the Buccaneers, go up 13 to nothing, and ultimately Buccaneers win and Sean King throws a touchdown pass to give them the 14 to 3, 14 to 13 victory. But for a generation like mine, there are no positive memories. And this sale is one that has brought a ton of excitement to people my age. Now, I don't live in D.C. anymore, so I haven't get to fully embrace it all. Hear all of the reactions on 1067, 980. But my gut tells me that there was jubilation.

but I think that's also met with trepidation because there hasn't been for a generation that now has kids. I have a five-year-old. So many of my friends have multiple kids. What are you passing down to your children about this franchise? Now, hopefully it changes with the Harris ownership, but I think the trepidation is, okay, Snyder is hopefully gone soon, we'll put one toe in the water.

I don't know if people are jumping in full on in, but the toe, we've been out sitting with a towel around us for a while. And now the toe might be touching that water a little bit, seeing how it is, seeing if we can kind of get back to what it will be, and if we want to pass this down to our kids. because when Kevin talks about the positives and so many of you about the rocking RFK, I miss it, man.

I wish I got to take that in. You know, my best sports memories as a DC sports fan pretty much are all Nationals memories. And the Nationals suck right now. They sucked for when they came to town. But we had that stretch where those 2012 games, the walk off with worth, even regular season games, the Zimmerman no-hitter. I mean, that run in 2019,

you know, I was at the wildcard game. To me, that's the best sporting event I've ever been to. As a fan of a team, that's the best sporting event I've ever been a part of. The excitement, the jubilation, the double roar of the crowd on the Soto hit when he first gets the hit, then when it gets past the right fielder.

So the Nationals memories are, there. The Capitol's memories are there. That parade is legendary, especially for people my age. I didn't go to it. I wish I did. I still remember watching it on TV, watching my soon-to-be co-host, Michael Jenkins drinking live on air, which I thought was hilarious. But everybody has a story to tell. There are no stories to tell for people in their mid-30s or younger regarding the Reds. Yeah, 2012, we had a couple moments with RG3, but that ended abruptly. So the jubilation and the excitement for a fan base, basically for the past 30 years, who has got kids now, owns houses in Northern Virginia and in D.C., and in Montgomery

County, and in Frederick County, and in Loudoun County, the memories we need to be able to pass down to our kids, like Kevin was able to pass down to his kids, don't exist for the football team, but hopefully they will be there in the near future with the new ownership group. I mean, that to me is the biggest thing that Snyder took away from all of us. He took away any level of positive memories that could be passed down. Like, I have no recollection of the Super Bowl, none. Now, I was talking to a buddy of mine who graduated high school in the same class as he came out and visited just a couple weeks ago. And he says he remembers the Super Bowl.

I don't. I think I remember my dad waking me up and saying, hey, the Redskins won the Super Bowl or bringing me in his bedroom and turning on the 13-inch TV they had there. But I don't remember it. The memories right now that I have are the Caps memories. that run to the Stanley Cup, the Nats memories, we can pass those down. Hopefully, this new ownership group will allow us to have memories

to pass down to future generations so there isn't a loss, avoid a hole in this franchise. All right, I just wanted to get that thought out there as a born and raised Washingtonian who I'd love to see it, man. I'd love to see it. I mean, I don't know what the stadium will ultimately,

where it will ultimately be long term. But yeah, it's, God, it would be great for RFK. I did that radio segment last year when RFK had that fire. And I think Al Galdi mentioned this too. My most memorable RFK moments, I went to opening night, Nationals, dime of X. That was a memory. and the other ones are the HF festivals.

I mean, once again, I'm 35 years old. My memories of RFK Stadium are Nats games, maybe finding a way to get some underage booze and HF festivals. Those are my memories at RFK Stadium. I have a small memory of a Redskins Panthers game on Christmas Eve, cold as hell. I want to say like 95. Went to that game.

But my memories of RFK Stadium are not the glory memories. I watch those on YouTube. I get chills. I would love it. I love to see the bouncing stands. I would have loved to be a part of that. So hopefully we can somehow bring a generation back and then we can bestow it upon our kids

that they see this order. organization in a positive light because it's it's been looked at in a terrible light for so long. All right, I'm going to close out with this real quickly. Bob McGinn is a as a long time journalist who has a ton of connections when it comes to the NFL draft. He puts out these series talking about different positions. And today he put out the quarterback breakdown. And he gets quotes from scouts and front office members. And it's making the rounds today.

And all week long, I don't know how closely you guys have been keeping tabs on it because Washington is picking at 16, probably not going to pick a quarterback. But C.J. Stroud has been dropping quite a bit. in mock drafts, everything you hear, and we got some validation today regarding why, potentially. So as Bob McGinn states in his article, he said, the newest thing in judging athletes is S2 cognition. We just talked about this with Ben. And in interviews with several football executives this month, S2 testing has developed. a reputation so strong in the industry that it undoubtedly will affect to some degree how

quarterbacks are drafted. Suffice to say the candidacy for Alabama's Bryce Young as the top quarterback only was strengthened by his preeminent performance on the S2, whereas the draft stock of Ohio State C.J. Stroud, possibly the number two process. took a hit. According to S2, the 30 to 45 minute exercise is conducted on what the athletics Matt Barrows in February described as, quote, specially designed gaming laptop and response pad that can record reactions in two milliseconds. It measures how players process and make split-second decisions.

anticipating reading, reacting, and adapting to the game are measurable skills, that according to the website. So that's a long, boring way to say, what the hell are you talking about? Okay. The scores have been leaked. He's supposed to be apparently confidential. Multiple sources, according to Bob McGinn, said that Bryce Young's total score was 98%. C.J. Stroud's total score was 18%.

One executive told Bob McGinn, Stroud scored 18. That is like red alert, red alert. You can't take that a guy like that. That is why I have Stroud as a bust. That in conjunction with the fact, named one Ohio State quarterback that's ever done it in the league. So how did other players,

due on the S2. Jake Hainer of Fresno State, guy I love 96%. Will Levis, 93%. Anthony Richardson had a 79% and Hendon Hooker had a 46%.

So I saw a tweet out there from Eric Galco, who works for the Shrine Bowl. And he said, I'm a huge proponent of the S2 test. Before we made it available at the Shrine I talked extensively with S2, outstanding for how players react slash can be coached. Frustrating to see some scores weaponized against players, not S2's intent, not how to use results unfair to players.

So that's why it feels like everywhere you look, C.J. Stroud is dropping. He also got a 19 on the Wonderlich. Bryce Young got a 30. we're six days away from the NFL draft. I right now, and I said yesterday, I thought Houston would go edge rusher at two. I think it's 50-50 between edge rusher and Will Levis now. I said yesterday that I believed it would be an edge rusher,

likely Will Anderson or Tyree Wilson. I'm now believing, and I got some information today that the Texans could be going quarterback at two. Now, everything's a smokescreen right now. But I do wonder, because this has been brought up a lot too, the McNair family owners of the Texans, are they just going to sit back and be like, yeah, bring in a defensive player, no big deal.

So new information, it seems like right now, C.J. Stroud dropping. How far does he drop? I mean, everywhere you look, every person you talk to seems to think C.J. Stroud is one, two, and then a big drop-off. And if that wants to be the differentiator, the S-2 test or the Wonderlich, whatever it may be. But, man, I was wondering why C.J. Stroud continue to fall. And these numbers seem to make some sense. we'll see how it all plays out, but it certainly feels like right now, C.J. Stroud is dropping Washington fans at 16. C.J. Stroud there, interested, ready to roll with what we've got in the old quarterback

room there. So, yeah, it's going to be interesting to see how this all plays out moving forward. By the way, I just was trying to overlook it. I just had the massive brain fart of forgetting Sam Hal's name. wanted to call him Sam Hartman for some reason. Got Notre Dame on the brain. Notre Dame's new quarterback, Sam Hartman from Wake Forest. So Sam Hal. All right. I think that is a sign.

Get the hell out of here. Thank you for everyone who for tuned in. Hopefully it wasn't too much of a train wreck, me filling in for Kevin. And hopefully we'll be back on talking some NFL or some college football later on as we get closer to the fall. But always a blast filling in for Kevin. he mercifully will be back on Monday. You won't have to hear from me anymore, thankfully.

But it was a blast. Appreciate all the comments. You can tweet me at one Tim Murray. Once again, if you want some gambling discussion, need some gambling insight. Maybe Shaka Tony, you don't turn on to my show. But 1190 in DC and Veecen prime time 6 to 9 p.m. Eastern. So make sure you check that out if you guys want. But thanks again for letting you.

me blabber to you guys for the past two days. It was fun to sit in for Sheehan. Thanks to Kevin for thinking to me. Thanks to Ben Standing for jumping on. I am Tim Murray. We will, I don't know when I'll talk to you again. Maybe I'll talk to you down the road sometime in August or September talking college football. But Kevin back on Monday. Have a great weekend, everyone.