The Kevin Sheehan Show - Blough Hire Heats Up DQ's Seat

Episode Date: January 14, 2026

Kevin and Thom today with a vast menu of excellence which includes the following menu items: 1) the David Blough hire has caused Dan Quinn's seat to heat up; 2) the Commanders' defensive coordinator search now includes Brian Flores; 3) Mike Tomlin's exit in Pittsburgh; 4) Houston's defensive dominance last night over the Steelers; 5) the Jacksonville "press conference" stir; 6) the Golden Globes and 7) a movie recommendation from Thom that may sound like an echo. For all your football betting needs: DCRELOAD at MyBookie for a 50% Deposit Match Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it. You don't need it. But you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Sheehan Show. He is Kevin. Tommy's here. I'm here. The show's presenting sponsor is always Window Nation.

86690 Nation. Window Nation.com if you need new windows. Man, there is some big breaking sports news right now. Mike Tomlin stepping down after 19 years in Pittsburgh. We'll get to that. We'll get to the game last night. My God, the Houston Texans defense. Tommy, guess what?

My smell test finally stunk, for real. Oh, and five on Wild Card weekend. Oh. Yeah. Oh, and five. That required a weekend that bad usually requires a visit from somebody. Well, I told you before that I, basically told my guy he owes me a lot of money and by the way I've got a massive wager on the

Texans at 30 to 1 to win the aFC championship I put that bet in back in you know early November but I just told him don't worry about it because he owed me a bunch of money and we've already settled a few times this year in my favor and I said let's just settle up after the Super Bowl so that's the plan now look Look, this past weekend for me is nowhere near getting the balance down to zero or in his favor. Not yet. Another weekend could end up providing that for him. But I actually, you know, I think I said this on the podcast yesterday.

I went, and I was 0 and 4 at the time, because I gave out the Steelers last night. I was 0 and 5 for the weekend, but it was one of those weekends where if I had given out the other games I was considering giving out, those all lost too. So I was on personally, I was on the Eagles, I was on the under in the Rams Panthers game, and I was on Jacksonville. So I had three other games that nearly made it. It could have been an 0 and 8 weekend. It was 0 and 8 for me, personally. So, you know, I don't know if that gives anybody any pause to not come after me as hard as you've been coming after me. You know what? I'm going to keep firing.

Trust me, this coming weekend, the bookmakers just took an absolute beating on Wild Card weekend. A beating. And you would say, well, how is that possible? Because we had a lot of underdogs. Yeah, but the underdogs weren't necessarily the public, the anti-public sides. So, yeah, it was not a good weekend for books. I would imagine they'll bounce back this coming weekend. So I'll have some plays for all of you on Friday if you want them.

Actually, it started off with two college plays. I had, yeah, I had Oregon in the under. Didn't work. Really? Yeah, didn't work. I'd still be riding you if I was a betting man. I'd still be going with you. All right. Well, that's sweet of you.

I've been kind of suggesting that it was going to turn at some point. I didn't think it would turn as badly as it did this past weekend. Oh, and five. Whatever. We'll bounce back. Keep firing away if you, you know, if you understand how this works, you got to keep hitting 16 against a 10. Sorry, it's painful, but you got to do it.

This from Stephen in D.C. Stephen writes, boys, no lie. I was pulling into Buckees while listening to the podcast as you guys were talking about Buckees. The bathrooms were clean, but not sure if you could eat off them. Love the show and love when you guys don't talk sports. Yeah, on Thursday show, we talked about a lot of different things. The conversations were all over the place, but you had visited a Buckees in Rockingham, Virginia, and my son and his girlfriend, who live in Nashville, had been telling me about these Buckeys on the way to and from Nashville a couple of times over the holidays.

And they're known for the cleanest bathrooms in retail. Seems like Stephen wasn't totally impressed with the bathrooms, but he said they were clean. And very spacey. Yeah. Very, very wide open. Wide open bathrooms? You could fit a 7-Eleven in a men's room. That's fuzzy.

Yeah, I mean, what did I say last week when I looked it up at some of these places are like 100. 75,000 square feet. 75,000 square feet? Yeah. Seems like, yeah, that's a lot of room. You know, I don't know why I just thought of this. Have you ever been in, you know, restrooms where they are troughs,

where you just saddle up to the trough and pee next to other people? It's not a toilet, it's not a urinal. It's a big, I think that's how you would describe it, a big long trough. All sports stadiums. Exactly. I remember going to high school football games, and that's all they were, pretty much. and then a couple NFL games in some of the older stadiums when I was still a fan

yeah I've done that because that Cole Fieldhouse had those troughs and the bathrooms were just a mess you know I wonder why they went away from it I would bet that there's some sort of health concern because you just got you got pee spraing everywhere all over the place

When you're standing next, you know, you're lined up, you're packed in like sardines, and everybody's, you know, peeing over into the trough with no barriers anywhere. No. I haven't seen one of those in years. Pauly on the sopranos used to wipe his shoe laces off after he went to the bathroom. Because he didn't want, because he figured that the shoelaces might have touched the floor, which was generally, you know, all full of bacteria and stuff. Well, he didn't get a chance to go pee at Puckies.

That's a different experience altogether. Yes. I also got this from Joseph. Joseph wrote, The drunk stories are the best. Do you need an intervention or perhaps just a driver? Tommy needed a driver on Christmas Eve 1972. That's for sure.

You could have used a driver. And for me, yeah, we told about the times that we remember being the drunkest we ever were for Tommy. He ended up parking his car, losing his keys on the church lawn

outside the front door on Christmas Eve, 19th. And then the car was still there on Christmas morning as people started to walk into mass. Not good. So it didn't fit in with the manger scene. Yeah. Yeah, the manger scene in Tommy's, wait, what did you have an Impala, Chevy Impala? I had a Chavelle.

Chevel, a Chavelle. Yeah. And for me, it was a Bachelor party. And this would have been 1992 or 93, maybe 94. And it was too much tequila. And the next thing I knew, it was the following morning. And I was at the restaurant still, but in the kitchen lying on the floor surrounded by my insides. And then I walked out of that place looking for my car, which was very difficult.

to find in 12 degree weather, and I didn't have a coat. So Tommy may have needed a driver, Joseph, I needed a coat, a heavy coat that particular night. I did have a lot of people reach out and say they really enjoyed the show the other day and also talked about, you know, back in the day, it seems like everybody's got a story about not being able to find their car after coming out of a party or a bar or a bar or whatever. That definitely happened a lot when I was in college. And, you know, the

drunk driving thing, it's terrible to say this, but I'm of the age, and you certainly are of the age, that I can remember it not being a massive deal when I was in high school. It became a big deal when I was in college, more so. Yeah, I know, I know.

Look, when I used to work at the Eastern Express, and I lived in St. Rousberg. It was about a half hour away. And people would ask me how far drive it was. And I'd say about one quarter. If I'd stop at the college hill cavern on my way out of town, get a quarter of Schmitz, and then be finishing it off when I pulled in the driveway. It was terrible, I know. Terrible. I mean, I can remember, I mean, got high school, you know, keg, beer, and quarters.

You missed the quarters era, right? Playing quarters where you bounce a quarter into a glass. And if you do, you know, somebody drinks. And if you don't. We had other games. Yeah. We had many other games. But then, you know, that was always the prelude to wherever the party was that night.

So it would always start at my friend Andy's house where, you know, we'd roll out at, you know, 11 o'clock headed to whatever party. And somebody was driving and that somebody typically was not a designated driver. There wasn't really the designated driver discussion. It was whomever was the least drunk would jump in or whoever had the biggest car. And usually there were a couple of cars rolling. But man, yeah, it was a different era. That's for sure.

All right. We should talk about sports today. So since the show on Thursday with you, and I've already talked about the David Blow hiring as the offensive coordinator on Friday show and then at greater length yesterday. But do you have a reaction to them hiring from within? Mike McDaniel may not get a head coaching job. Apparently he is being sought after by the Lions to be their offensive coordinator. but we'll see. There are a lot of head coaching jobs available, man.

This is going to be a busy head coaching. Nine head coaching jobs. Yeah, with Tomlin stepping down. But what was your reaction to David Blow? Well, you know, there's all sorts of complications. You don't want to lose them. You might go to Detroit. You know, this is the next big thing.

This is the rising star. But here's some, and, you know, Jane loves them. here's the bottom line. For anybody, you put Mike McDaniel and David Blow in a room together, and you have to pick one to be your offensive coordinator. Despite any other complications,

simple question, pick one. Who are you going to pick? Well, I'm going to pick Mike McDaniel, but that's because I don't know anything other than what, you know, I looked up on my own and what people have told me about David Blow. He's never done the job. Right.

But that's my point. That's my point. You know, this guy, this guy three years ago was Sam Hartman. Right. But would you, you would have done that, it doesn't mean that you'd be right, because David Blow might be the next Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVe, Ben Johnson, the next great O.C.

That's headed to being, becoming a head coach. care. One, in business, shouldn't you minimize risk? Yeah, but part of the risk was waiting. I think that was, you know, part of the risk in, if you're looking at just one or the other, yes, the least risky higher would be Mike McDaniel, but the risk was actually in waiting potentially from Mike McDaniel, if that was even an option. Why would it be risky to wait when the head coach, when this guy has professed his love for the guy he's going to work for? What would be the complication? Who's professed his life?

You really think that Mike McDaniel. Mike McDaniel has talked about how much he loves Dan, but I'm talking about him getting a head coaching job, and then you can't hire him. He's not going to get a head coaching. Yeah. Well, he might. That may happen. Yeah, he might. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

Okay, that's a risk. Yeah, if you, that's a risk. You can't wait for him to go through the process of interviewing. Oh, I think you can. He's that good. Yeah, but then you, but the guy that they've wanted all along, and I believe this to be true, and I think the reason that Cliff Kingsbury isn't here anymore as much as anything else, is that they really believe in David Blow.

I think that's been the plan all along. But they don't know if he can do the job. I know that. but they think he can. I don't know that he can do it, but they think he can. There's so much to invest here in such an unknown. It's a little bit insane. It's unknown to you and me and fans other than what we've heard.

It's unknown to them. It's not as unknown to them. No, it's not. But until you're on the show, look, there's never been a television camera on David Blow during a game. There will be now. The cameras are on you, young man. Call the right G.D. play, or else? So, uh, I just think that they don't know if this guy can do the job.

Dan Quinn thought Joe Witt could do the job and he couldn't. Yeah. So, I mean, I just think they just know more than us. I think they know more than we do. Yeah. But even with them, no matter what they know, they don't know if he can do the job. job. You know, Ben Standing told me yesterday on radio, and I mentioned this on the show yesterday, that there's still a possibility that they bring in somebody else, like a Daryl Bevel,

who's been in Miami with Mike McDaniels since 2022. Bevel coached David Blow when he was a rookie in Detroit. Bevel was the offensive coordinator. Matt Patricia was the head coach. and Blow ended up starting five games at the end of the season because Matt Stafford and Jeff Driscoll, who was the backup quarterback, were both hurt. So there's familiarity with Beville and Blow, but there's also familiarity with Beville and Quinn because they coached together as O.C. and D.C. under Pete Carroll in Seattle,

you know, during a Super Bowl. I'm sorry? So he could be brought in as like an offensive consultant, quarterback's coach, offensive consultant, somebody who's done it

before to make the transition from assistant quarterback's coach, which is what Blau was, to offensive coordinator. Now they've also, apparently they're going to hire,

I'm sorry, interview other people like DJ Williams, Doug Williams' son, who's been working in Atlanta, and I can tell you, I think Kirk Cousins has been a big fan of DJ Williams

He's been the Falcons quarterback's coach. Mike Berkovich, Carolina's assistant quarterbacks coach. He's been working with Bryce Young. Now, these are not the experienced guys necessarily. Like Bevel is, you know, you're bringing in Bevel to kind of oversee the 30-year-old hire to make sure. I'm not insane. You've got to bring in somebody to hold this guy's hand. if he's the superstar, everyone thinks he is,

he'll be a head coach in two years. Right. I think that's what they think. I think he's got that guy. But then you only have them for a year. That's it. Well, that's all they would have had Mike McDaniel for. Yes.

Yeah. But one guy can do the job. The other guy we know now. One guy can do the job. And if he is what, everybody thinks he is and we've seen these things before, certainly the Shanahan tree guys. They usually are right about the next big thing. But yeah, I think this conversation that I just, it's, I can't pay attention to some of what I get via social media and via email from some of you all due respect.

you don't know. Like stop telling me about David Blow and what he's going to be good at and what he isn't going to be good at and why it's a good hire. We as fans and media members, I mean, I've said this to you before, but when you hear media members start going on and on

and being super declarative about position coaches, that's just not something you should really pay much attention to. Now, I agree. And I say that because we have an opinion of head coaches and we have an opinion of coordinators because they're front facing. We can attach performance to those positions. We don't know about the assistant coaches and the staff other than what we hear. And if somebody says, and I've said this, I've heard great things about David Blow,

like he's the next great thing. This is what I heard. And I mentioned on the podcast yesterday. He's super smart and he's very, very instinctive when it comes to, you know, offense and play calling. And he's a good teacher. I forgot to add that yesterday. Somebody mentioned that he's a very good teacher. Apparently a great guy.

I've heard from somebody just in the last 24 hours, not somebody close to the team at all, but somebody who knows Blow and has kept in contact with him since he's been at Purdue says he's a great guy. I suggested yesterday that the one thing that I would guess, I don't know, that he's going to, you know, bring to this offense would be a little bit of Ben Johnson and Kevin O'Connell's play action passing game. I think we didn't see a lot of that with Cliff. You know, Washington was near the bottom. You know, certainly the bottom quarter this year, the bottom third last year in play action pass attempts. I think that will increase. We also know this, and this is it after what I just mentioned,

and really that was about what other people said about him. We know that he's been working with Jaden Daniels for two years, and they wanted somebody that was familiar, or they wanted somebody for Jaden that he was familiar with. That's what Sam Hartman is there for. Nah, that's not what Sam Hartman's there for. Why is he there? I would say that that's why Josh Johnson,

was there this year more than Sam Hartman. In terms of being a future coach. I mean, why does Josh Johnson get added? I mean, I think Sam Hartman was there for the familiarity. So Jaden recognized somebody in the room. Yeah. Right. Look, here's what we, here's a big unknown.

No matter how smart this guy is, no matter how creative he's been, what about it's the fourth quarter of an Eagles game, and he's calling every play. Every play. How will he handle that? I have no idea. Okay. Right.

This guy was a practice squad quarterback. Now, most of them are, practice squad quarterbacks and backup quarterback seem to be geniuses and waiting, you know? But usually the best coaches were not the best players. In almost every sport. And many sports. Yes. All sports. I know that, and not in baseball as much as anything.

But I just think you cut down on your unknowns dramatically if you hire Mike McDaniel and you do everything you can to hire him. Right. Well, they didn't. They hired David Blow. I want to point out, if Mike McDaniel is on, if you're Dan Quinn and Mike McDaniel is on your roster, he's a head coach in waiting.

Well, David Blow, based on everything people have said, is going to be a head coach at some point. I know. But here? No, it's like, I mean, it's a lot easier to fire a coach when you've got somebody saying, okay, next guy, you take it from here. Yeah, I agree. But I don't think that's why Quinn didn't hire Mike McDaniel.

Although it's... I don't think it is either. Although it's not a terrible theory. that he didn't want another head coach looking over his shoulder. I mean, he hired Cliff Kingsbury. Kingsbury was a head coach for a few years as well. Yeah, but that was before triumph and tarnish came along. The triumph of last year, the tarnish of this year.

Yeah. Who knows what Dan Quinn is thinking today. Well, I mean, I think that that's a conversation that I think we've started, but I think now that, you know, collectively doing the show together, we know it's blow, which you would describe it as a bold move, right? High risk move. Yes. Okay, so how hot is Quinn's seat in 2026?

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Call them at 86690 Nation or head to windownation.com. So I think when we get to September of this year, later on this year for the regular season, there's going to be, you know, the list of first coaches to be fired and all the odds are going to be out there. Quinn was certainly not on that list this year, but he's going to be on that list next year. I can almost promise you that Dan Quinn will be one of, I don't know, six or seven coaches. and he may not be the favorite to get fired first, but he will be in the top five or six to get fired first, odds-wise, when we get to September,

because of this past season and I think letting go of an offensive coordinator who did an excellent job, in my view, over a two-year period, to go with an unproven 30-year-old. it better work for him. So how hot is the seat? How warm is the seat? How would you describe the seat for Dan Quinn entering 2026?

It would seem to be hot to me. I wouldn't say it's warm. I'd say it's hot. I mean, for all the reasons you said. And, you know, because of the sins of this franchise, over decades now, it can't really afford, they can't really afford to be too patient with the lack of results. Okay? They can't afford to have the hole that this franchise needs to dig out of get deeper and deeper.

They need to, they needed to sustain the momentum that they had last year and they lost it. and they can't afford to do that because it sets them back farther than they were. Now, the one thing is they have a quarterback. Now, that's a big difference as opposed to before. They have a very good quarterback, who's probably going to be a star in this league for years.

But I don't think they can afford to be patient for a lack of results, and if there's no results worthy next year, I think he's gone. You know, I think I lean that way, but it's hard to fast forward to the end of next year. I guess it would be easier to fast forward to like an 0-and-5 start and think that he'd be in severe trouble in that moment than it is to fast forward to the end of next year and, you know, try to predict the context around whatever the record is.

I mean, I'll start with this. We don't really know how Josh Harris operates from that standpoint. In basketball, he doesn't have a quick trigger. You know, that's not the... Josh Harris in basketball. You know, that guy Brett Brown with terrible teams coached for like seven years. But he's never owned, A, a franchise in his hometown, B, a franchise as damaged as this.

Look, if he wants to fix something immediately, like within the next year that will help the business of the team, we know what number one on the list for that is. Right. The name and the branding. And I think, you know, the uniforms are going to help, but the name would be a big deal. The other thing, of course, is winning. So they're both massive pieces to them, you know, getting some sort of traction business-wise, which they thought they had at the end of last year.

I don't think they got the bounce they were looking for. And then this year, obviously, is a disaster. You know, it stops the train dead in its tracks for the most part. If it was even rolling at the speed they thought it was rolling at. I think, you know, I don't know how he'll handle this. I know this. Dan Quinn's very highly respected and well-liked, and there's a feeling in that organization that this season could have gone much worse in the locker room than it did.

I mean, how many times have we been told even by the people we know that wasn't a locker room that they were used to at the end of a bad season? It was completely different. right. You're right. And so there's that part of it. There could be a lot of context around a bad season next year, like the context around the bad season this year, which is they didn't have their best players play. And then I would just ask you, I know what we've answered this before, but I want to just revisit it. How much time did 2024 by Dan Quinn? and Adam Peters, for that matter.

That season was so special and so out of, you know, the world in terms of, you know, otherworldly in terms of what would the expectations were. What did it buy them? If you're telling me he can get fired at the end of next year, didn't buy him anything. That's puff. That's disappeared. It has. And look, the coach is more vulnerable.

All is going to be more vulnerable than the general manager, okay? So I don't necessarily lump them together. I mean, I think there'd be one to go first, and it would be the coach, if things really went south again. But I think they lost the bump. Again, the only thing they didn't lose is their quarterback. They have the quarterback. That's the only thing that's different from the abyss they used to be in. Well, and they don't have to.

On the field. Well, on the field, yeah. The biggest difference is that Dan Snyder doesn't own the team. But, you know, that's gone poof is probably true, meaning the 20-24 season is no longer, you know, a factor. And by the way, I don't think you should operate as an owner on this year bought them a certain number of years. You know, it seems like it should. It seems like, you know, with an over-under win total last year of six and a half to win. to win 12 games, two road playoff games, and be within 60 minutes of the Super Bowl,

is a pretty amazing accomplishment. But there's context to that, too. You know, you had a special performance by the quarterback. You actually had a pretty special performance by the coordinator and some supporting pieces offensively. You're a defensive head coach, and the defense has been. been horrible for two straight years. So even though I think in most cases a season like that, if you're just thinking about, you know, what did it buy, what did it buy the head coach?

It has to buy him at least two to three more years. And what we're saying is if next year the seed is hot, it bought him two more years. And that means... This is a business. I mean, I really have thought a lot about this. And it's hard to find a sports, major sports franchise with as much to overcome as these guys did. Yeah, I agree. When they bought this.

So true. It really is. Now, you left something out about all the contributions from last year. I bet you, David Blow did a hell of a job. Well, so here's the, I was going to finish the point, which is this. If you own the team, you can't go back at the end of next year to 2024. You have to make a decision, is he the right guy now and moving forward? It's very possible Dan Quinn was 100% the right guy for 2024 and even 2025.

To be the head coach, to keep a team together, to keep the, them from imploding during one of the most miserable injury-laden seasons we've ever seen here. And one other thing, to be, to be, I know people get tired of hearing, you know, his platitudes and his sayings and stuff. Right. He has been a positive face of the franchise out. No doubt. It's true.

Yes. I think that's true. I know it has. And there's value in that. There is value in that. I mean, it attracted a lot of coaches that probably had some other options. It attracted some players that were big contributors, by the way, to last year's season that had other options. And that may be the case again here in the offseason, you know, that they can attract certain people.

We'll see about the defensive coordinator hire. There's some news on that today. We're going to get to that. But yeah. But ultimately, like this time next year, it's hard to fast forward and to know what it looks like if it didn't go well. I mean, because there's so many different ways it may not have gone well. Like, imagine this, imagine this.

Imagine the defense turns into an absolute dominant defense led by Dan Quinn. He decides he's going to be the defensive coordinator and the play caller. And there's another injury to the quarterback and the offense, you know, fumbles around. all year and they end up eight and nine. I mean, I'm just throwing out certain, we don't know what the context would be around a season that doesn't go well.

So it's hard to predict how the owner would handle it in the moment, but it shouldn't be about what he did in 2024 and 2025. It should be about in that moment, is he the right guy to move forward with?

Yeah. You know? Let's get really nuts. Let's make Bobby Wagner the defensive coordinator. I think Bobby Wagner wants to play. Well, let's make him a player coach. All the defense is from the field. Didn't Sam Huff do that? Yeah, I don't know if he was a player coach.

Lombardi, he had retired, and Lombardi asked him to come back to play for one more season. Right. And he was a player coach. But when a player coach, was he the player defensive coordinator coach? I don't know. I don't recall. I don't know.

You know what? Back in 1968, they didn't have 29 people on their coaches. No, they didn't. I'm not sure. They didn't. If they had a defensive coordinator, so to speak. I mean,

wasn't Bill Russell, a player coach that won a title? In basketball and in baseball, it used to happen a lot. It did? But I don't think it's ever, really done much at all in football. I'm kind of joking here.

I know, no, I know you are, but I'm actually just, I'm curious, because I'm reading right now, Huff was talked out of retirement by Lombardi in 1969. Doesn't say anything about him being a player coach. Yeah, you know, I don't know. But, uh, but Russell won a title. Bobby Wagner. Russell won a title as a player coach.

Am I right about that in 69, I think? Oh. Russell? Russell. Yes. Yes, he did. Yeah. Yes.

Okay. You know, Bobby Wagner is destined for probably bigger things than an NFL defensive coordinator anyway. Right. He's a very sharp guy. The seat's very warm for Dan Quinn in 2026. There's no doubt about it from the outside looking in. That's without knowing what Josh Harris and Mitch Rails are thinking. And by the way,

what is Josh Harris' press conference what Adam Peters is thinking. I don't know when his press conferences. Is he having one? Neither do I. I thought he... I don't know. You know what?

I didn't even think about that. But didn't he have one at the end of last season? Wasn't it the press conference in which he... They probably thought of with each other who was going to be at that press conference. Yeah. But that was the press conference in which he said, you were sticking with the name

because it's become the name that everybody inside. the building really likes and is attached to now. That was not a good answer for that. Just a terrible answer for that. But yeah, I would, I don't know. Maybe once all these hires are made, maybe we'll hear from the owner. Maybe. What are the chances we're going to hear from the owner?

I think still pretty good. I do too. Yeah. I think that he should, look, at this point, the interest level isn't what it was last year. So maybe a lot of people wouldn't notice, but enough would, and they'd make a big deal out of it, like you would, as an example, like I would, that he's better off facing the music and facing the questions. Because every, I'm pretty sure most owners have a year end kind of wrap up. Press conference. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't know. In football, I think they do. I'm not sure.

So here's the deal with the defensive coordinator hire. This was the news just before we started to record today, and this is very interesting news, I would say. This news comes from Ian Rappaport. The commanders are hoping to interview Vikings' defensive coordinator Brian Flores for their vacant defensive coordinator. Job source said Flores' contract is up in Minnesota so he is able to look at other similar jobs. This would be the home run hire. I know that David Blow, there's a lot of excitement, I think, out there about what he could become. Brian Flores has already become that.

He is one of the elite. He's one of the elite. You know what? I actually think Brian Flores. as a defensive coordinator is better at his job than Mike McDaniel is at his. Probably is. Probably is. I mean, people say all the time, Vic Fangio and Brian Flores, they're impossible to face. I might want to point out that not that it stopped him from getting a job, but this guy's

suing the NFL. I know. Well, and he's still hoping to get a head coaching job, and I think I read today that there's a chance that he's going to interview for the Baltimore job. Oh, you read what Ryan Fitzpatrick has to say about Brian Ford. He can't stand him. Cannot stand him as head coach, yeah. Boise.

Yeah. Said he was absolute poison in Miami. Yeah. But I think it's kind of, look, he'd be a great hire. He'd be a great hire here in Washington. That would be great. Yeah. That would be home run.

Yesterday the news was Jonathan Gannon will interview for a job here. Sometime this week, according to reports, Gannon was an excellent defensive coordinator in Philly when they went to the Super Bowl in 2022. That got him the job in Arizona. This is a good defensive mind and would be an excellent hire. You still have Rahim Morris out there, but he is interviewing for head coaching jobs. I will find it interesting to see if Rahim Morris doesn't get a head coaching job

and then has the choice of here or Los Angeles with the Rams, because Chris Shula is now the favorite to get one of these many head coaching jobs. And if he does, then I would imagine Sean would certainly offer Rahim his old job back. he was the defensive coordinator when they won the Super Bowl in 2021. So would he pick Dan Quinn, who he apparently loves and reveres, or would he pick L.A. and Sean McVeigh, where he's very familiar with that situation as well. You know, part of it could actually be driven by,

what if the Rams win the Super Bowl and Matt Stafford retires? I mean, he's a defensive coordinator, but I'm sure he wants to go somewhere where the quarterback situation is healthy. And if Matt Stafford leaves, they don't have a quarterback there. They'd have to go get a quarterback. Until Kirk Cousin comes in. Garoppolo's the backup currently. Yeah, I've thought about that, that if Stafford retires, that Sean might go get Kirk.

Because I do think... One final run, you know. Yeah, I do think Kirk's got a mark. if he wants to play. I think there's a chance Kirk may, you know, say he doesn't want to play. But Rahim Morris, Jeff Albrecht's being held up right now. Atlanta's not allowing anybody to interview Jeff Albrecht because until they hire a head coach, the head coach they'd like to look at Ulbrick as a possible holdover for the new

head coach. Al Harris is still in the midst of this, you know, playoff run with Chicago. and they've already interviewed Patrick Graham and Joe Cullen, who was the Titans defensive coordinator. The Chief's defensive line coach, the Titans defensive coordinator was Dernard Wilson, who they also interviewed. Yeah, go ahead.

The Bears are playing the Rams, right? Yes. In Chicago. Yeah. It's supposed to be zero degrees in Chicago. Yeah, it's going to be cold at Soldier Field on Sunday night. Really cold. Brutely cold.

Yeah, not the can. Kansas City cold from a couple of years ago against the dolphins and Mike McDaniel when it was six below. And I think, you know, somebody actually passed away from the injuries from being exposed to that. Remember, somebody died. And there were many, many cases of hypothermia and frostbite after that game. And I'm telling you, I thought about, we talked about that. I know we did that I don't think the NFL will ever allow a game. to be played in that kind of extreme cold that they had at Arrowhead.

What was it two years ago now, three years ago? Chicago is, that's what it'll feel like. That's not temperature. The temperature will be like 10 or 11 above. So that's a big difference from six below real temperature, which is what it was. I think it was the second coldest or third coldest game in NFL history. They're not going to, the NFL's so interesting. to safety for everybody.

Now, what would they do with the game? If it was deemed to be too cold to play, they'd move it to Monday night, I guess. I don't know. You know, the scheduling is getting a lot of attention right now, NFL playoff-wise, because you've got a team last night in Houston that will play a team on Sunday

with a day advantage rest-wise. You've got teams that played over the weekend against one seeds on Saturday. The Bills played on Sunday. They're playing the Broncos. The 49ers played on Sunday. They're playing the Seahawks. They could have easily moved the Rams, Bears.

Both teams played on Saturday to that Saturday NFC window and moved 49ers Seahawks up. They're not coming off the Monday night playoff game. It's just too much money and it's too big of an audience. I don't see them going to three. and three, three Saturday, three Sunday, even though there are a lot of people screaming for the NFL to go back. Because look, there are competitive disadvantages at playoff time.

You know, they don't have a Monday night game, Tommy, in week 18, because they want all teams to play on Sunday. Now, they do have some teams playing on Saturday in the final weekend, but they want it to be a fair, you know, playoff weekend. Well, then you get to the divisional round. and it's not fair. You've got multiple teams at a big rest disadvantage. Buffalo's at a big rest disadvantage.

The 49ers and the Texans are at major rest disadvantages. And that's a big deal in the NFL in determining outcomes is rest. You know, net rest days. Speaking of just the NFL playoffs, which are now set for the divisional round, that was one of the most dominant defensive performances I've seen in a long time. Now, I thought the Philadelphia Super Bowl performance was dominant. What Houston did last night was absurd. I've been talking about their defense all year long.

You know, going back to that Buffalo Thursday night game when they beat the absolute crap out of Buffalo and out of Josh Allen. And Josh Allen was the best player. from over the weekend, in my opinion. And I'm rooting for them. I don't know if you care about any of this. I'm actually really rooting for Josh Allen. He is so good, Tommy. So good.

And he carried that team on Sunday to that win because Jacksonville was the better team. The better overall team, I think by almost a lot. But man, the Houston defense last night, Tommy. It was the best defensive performance in a playoff game since at least 2005 using the EPA number, expected points added. The 3.1 yards per play that they allowed were the fewest any teams allowed in a playoff game in nine years. Aaron Rogers faced the highest pressure percentage rate of his postseason career. He's never faced.

It was a 46% pressure percentage. He had no chance. The Steelers' offense had no chance. And when they did have a chance, D.K. Metcalf dropped a 35-yard pass in the first half with Pittsburgh up 3-0 and with the ball. But that team, they can win the Super Bowl. Now, C.J. Stroud tried to give it away. That's the problem.

I mean, three turnovers. Three turnovers, and they win, what, 30 to six? He put the ball on the ground five times. He had five fumbles in the game. Now, I'll tell you that they weren't like he was getting hit and fumbling. some of them were snaps that he did not reel in. And so the ball was on the ground after the snaps, and the snaps weren't terrible.

But he was credited with five fumbles. He lost two of them. And then he threw a pick on top of that, in the red zone. Yes. In the low red zone. So I like C.J. Sprout. Davis Mills is probably sitting on the bench saying, Jesus, I could have done this.

Now, he made some big-time throws, too, though. That's the thing with Stroud. He is a when you watch him and he plays well or he makes a good play, you're like, wow, that guy looks the part. He really does.

He can throw the football. He typically is much more accurate than he was last night. Yeah, go ahead. What if it's a playoff game, and it's a close playoff game, very close, and he's having a game like that. And you've got a guy on the bench who led to, what, to a 5-1 record when he was in the field this year?

A what record? Something like that? No, no. Stroud missed three games, and I think they were 2-1 in those three games, two-and-one? I think it was more than that. No, it wasn't. I think Davis Mills was very impressive. Davis-Mills was not 5-1 as the quarterback this year.

I promise you that. I think he played three games. I'm looking it up right now. I think he played three games, and I think they were two and one in those three games. Hold on. Let me just see. I mean, when you have a quarterback- Well, actually, hold on, you're right.

He played in six games, but two of them were like the last game of the year last week when they sat their starters in the second half, and then he played in a blowout win over Baltimore in October. He played in, he started three games. They went two and one in the three games he started. In the game in which Stroud got hurt in, he came in, no, I'm sorry, three and O as a starter, and lost the game that he replaced C.J. Stroud in when Stroud got concussed against Denver. So started three games, played really in four, because the other two were, you know, just second half.

handing the ball off. Yeah. I mean, I'm a question. But no, is the answer to your question. If he has it, really? Yeah. He's having a game like that. Yep. And you're not up 21 to 6th. Nope. It's real close. Nope.

C.J. Strouds, C.J. Strouds played really well. That's a self-destructive performance. C.J. No quarterback. Yeah. No quarterback is immune from being pulled in a performance like that. C.J. Strouds played very well in the postseason. Houston. I know he has. With that game, if he has a game like that, anybody's susceptible to being pulled because he's just, you're not going to win that day with him. You're not going to

beat New England or you're not going to beat, you know, in the AFC championship game, a Buffalo or a Denver with Davis Mills. Although with that defense, all you need is a quarterback not to turn the ball over. Yeah, he can't turn the ball over like that and them win 30 to 6. That's for sure. Not against New England, not against Denver or Buffalo. But Tommy, he's just so much more capable than Davis Mills. And he's played well. He's played well in the postseason. You know, last night. He didn't play well because of the mistakes he made, but he also made a lot of big throws. He threw for 250 yards. I'm looking at it right now. This is actually amazing to me, because this doesn't make any sense to me. His QBR is 62.4. I would have thought

with the turnovers, even just the interception, it would have been much lower than that. But he did make a lot of big-time throws in that game. I mean, on third down, he made some big throws. They were 10 for 15 on third down. I think they were eight for their first nine on third down. And he was a big part of that. But you can't put five balls on the ground and throw a pick and win many playoff games. That's for sure. But it really does speak to how dominant the defense really is. Yeah. And here's something for them, though. They may not be on Sunday against New England. They may not be completely healthy. They may be without Nico Collins, their best receiver. And one of the best receivers in the league.

Yeah, and that'll hurt them a lot. But I'm looking forward to seeing New England and Josh McDaniel and Drake May and Stefan Diggs and Hunter Henry and their backs against this defense because it'll be a much stiffer challenge for Houston. Pittsburgh just didn't have enough, you know, at the skill position players, at spots. And, you know, Aaron Rogers doesn't have the mobility anymore.

Drake May's got mobility, and he's got weapons. And they just faced the toughest defense they've faced since Cleveland, and the Chargers gave them some problems. I think May played well, though. Like, overall, it was not his best game. Anybody will tell you that, but I still think he made enough plays to win a game,

which he did. They just didn't need a lot of plays from him, because the Chargers couldn't score. But this Houston defense and the Seattle defense. And let me just mention this. Houston, if they beat New England, and if Buffalo wins in Denver, Houston will host the AFC championship game

as the five-seat against the six-seed. That's in play here, and Buffalo does not match up well at all with Houston. They've already been pounded a couple of times. by this Houston team over the last few years. So Houston's got a shot to go win a Super Bowl. Crazy from where they were. They started 0 and 3.

You know, at one point they were 2 and 4, 3 and 5. They've won 10 in a row now. What's your bet? What's your bet, win the AFC championship? Yep, I bet them at 30 to 1. They were 30 to 1 when I bet them to win the AFC championship game. Wow. to win the AFC Championship, not to get to the AFC, to win the AFC championship.

Right. I came in here the day after the Buffalo game and I said, I think that team can win the Super Bowl. And then I'm like, you know what? If I really think that, I'm going to at least put a way for them to get to it. We're going to see some really interesting matchups this weekend because you've got the Seahawks and the Texans, two dominant defensive teams. We've already seen what Seahawks 49ers looks like once, you know, just a few weeks ago for the one seed. That's why this is, that's why the game is in Seattle. And then to see the Texans, man does defense travel in the postseason.

But New England's really good. And they're so well-coached. And the quarterback's playing at a high level. And he's mobile. And then Denver's defense against Josh Allen. What's that going to look like? Some crazy games. and then we'll get the cold weather game in Soldier Field.

They move that game to Sunday night for, you know, all four games are outdoors and all six games were outdoors this weekend. We don't have, I'm just trying to, so we could get the Texans indoors hosting an aFC title game. We could get the Rams theoretically hosting an NFC championship game indoors. But more likely than not, we'll see. two outdoor games and the championship games as well.

And then an outdoor Super Bowl in Santa Clara. The day's going to come where none of this is going to be outdoors. 15 years away from basically maybe four stadiums that won't be domed. Roofed. I think you're right.

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All right. Mike Tomlin, out in Pittsburgh. His call, I don't know how this all went down. Maybe something was coming with respect to a firing. But he has stepped down

after 19 years. without a losing season. That is pretty effing amazing in the NFL. There's a lot about Mike Tomlin over the years where I've thought from afar as a football fan, maybe there were some limitations for Pittsburgh. But really, what he accomplished there, not one losing season is amazing in the NFL.

This was his... Do you want to know how good it is? this is how good it is. He went 19 seasons without a losing record and people got tired of it. Yeah. That's how good it is. We talked about this with Harbaal last week, and we brought up the Andy Reid analogy that, you know,

if you're not contending year and year out and winning championships, you know, every few years, yes, it can grow old. You know, winning record. and advancing to the postseason, but not having the success at the most important time of the year, can grow old. But his lack of success in the postseason can be tied directly to not having a quarterback.

Once Ben Rathlisberger's days were over, that's when their true contention days were over because they haven't been able to replace him with another great quarterback. And you've got to have that position, nailed down to not only win year and year out, but legitimately contend year and year out. And that's not what they've done, unfortunately, over the last nine years, which is why it became tiresome. But he's a great coach. And, you know, the lack of a quarterback has to fall back more on the general manager.

Not that it's easy to find one. We know that. But it's not necessarily him that's been responsible for securing the quarterback. I'm sure he's had a say in it, but, you know, looking at the, you know, whole of the last eight, nine years, it's been because they haven't had a quarterback, and that's typically, you know, the responsibility of the general manager. But let me just also mention this. I've always thought that as a fan of our team,

I would have taken 19 years of no losing and going to the playoffs virtually every year, even if it meant that the playoffs were going to be painful for a several-year stretch. I would have still loved the excitement of getting ready for playoff games year after year. Hall of Fame coach, there's no doubt about that. This will be the fourth coach in 56 years for the Sears. Yep, it will be. That's remarkable. Them and the Ravens.

you know, two of the biggest rivals. And the Ravens had the same coach, had three coaches. They'll be picking their fourth since 1996. And the Steelers are even far more impressive. Yeah, it's amazing the run they've had with just three coaches. But you know what, Tommy, it's not an attractive job right now. I mean, the culture, the tradition, the fan base makes it attractive to a certain degree. But Baltimore is more attractive.

because they've got a quarterback. They've got Lamar. But you know what? When you think about it, I mean, Pittsburgh may not be looking for the established guy that's looking for the best situation. They're hiring of the three coaches over this long span, Chuck Null, Cowher, and Mike Tomlin.

They were all, I'm pretty sure, super young and relatively unknown when they got hired. I think Tomlin was like 31. or 32 years old. I'm going to look that up right now. Pittsburgh coaching history. Tomlin was 34 when they hired him. Chuck Knoll was 38 when they hired him.

Bill Cower was also 34 when they hired him. And he was young when he stopped coaching. Yeah. You know, and everyone thought he'd come back. Remember his name always surfaced? Yep. With Washington jobs? Yeah. Because... Never did it. Never came back. Because he's from the Carolinas, right? Or his wife was, or they lived in the

Carolinas, and there was like some recognition of the Washington job being a big deal. Back then. Right. But I think we said it even back then. There was no way a Bill Cower was going to come work for Dan Snyder. Marty Schottenheimer did because it was still an unknown at that point to a certain degree, even though remember Schottenheimer had said, I think in 99 he'd never work for somebody like Dan Snyder. But he did and he took the money, but he had the control.

He demanded and he got total control. Yeah, interesting coaching carousel. Nine jobs currently open now with Mike Tomlin. Look, he's going to have a big, big opportunity in television, no doubt. If that's what he's doing next, I'm assuming he's not coaching, he's stepped down. So he's going to be sought after by everybody, whether it's studio, whether it's actually, you know, on a broadcast. Maybe he'll, maybe he replaces Romo year one with Jim Nance. Kind of get the sense.

Zabe talked about this yesterday, and I don't disagree with him that Jim Nance might be thinking, I gotta get, you know, I gotta get away from this Romo dude. All right. What else? I want to talk about this Jacksonville situation post game. I want to get your thoughts on it as a journalist and a reporter at various times in your life. We'll do that right after these words from a few of our sponsors. How you doing today?

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That was Lynn Jones from the Jacksonville Free Press in the press conference following Jacksonville's loss to Buffalo addressing Jags head coach Liam Cohen. on with me yesterday, and we talked about this for about 15 minutes or so. You can go back and listen to it if you want. I'm very interested to hear what Tommy thinks, and we'll get to that here momentarily after I tell you about my bookie. If you want to bet on sports, do it at my bookie. Right now, they're offering you free money when you sign up or if you've already signed up when you go back and you make another deposit. But for new customers and existing customers who are listeners to this podcast, they're offering a 50% cash bonus when you use my promo code, DC Reload. DCR-E-L-O-A-D is the promo code. You put that into the promo code section,

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And the promo code, again, is DC Reload, D-C-R-E-L-A-D. So this woman, Lynn Jones, from the Jacksonville Free Press, during the press conference with Liam Cohen following the Jags' loss to Buffalo. She set in motion quite the conversation. created quite this stir with the way she consoled and comforted Liam Cohen in a time of need for him. I talked about this yesterday was Zay, but I'm very interested to hear your thoughts

on this very humane and super sweet outpouring to the head coach. Absolutely. You know, I'll bet you she went out and saved a homeless person after that. Oh, come on. You know? Oh, come on. Let me tell you what this, look. It's not appropriate.

I think everybody can pretty much. Not everybody, because not everybody knows the rules. Remember that. Right. Yeah. Right. But Peter, I know. And there's people who do know the rules that have praised her,

which is really very self-serving. If you believe this, if you want to console the coach, you can tell him after the press conference. you can go up to say that to them. To do this there is an attention grabber. You want the coach to like you. You want the coach to acknowledge you that you have comforted the coach. Okay?

There's no reason to do this publicly other than to get some sort of attention. I don't think she thought it to get this kind of attention. But there's no reason why this needs to be in public. okay so and you know what I don't think we it would have caused the ripple if Schifter hadn't you know talked about retweeted it and said what an awesome moment it was right he did do that he should know better that you know what honestly if Schaefter doesn't retweet that and talk about it in such a positive way I don't know that we know about it right now yes I don't think Seriously. Yeah. Yeah, and he, like, canonized her with this, you know, and that, that was, it's just, well, he referred to as, he referred to her as a reporter, and she may be, but she wasn't there reporting. Go ahead, finish. I don't want to get in your way. Finish.

I mean, look, is it the worst crime at a century? No. But it's not a pro, it's a press conference. Okay, I know people have a hard time understanding this, but it's a, but it's a, it's a, it's a press conference. Okay, I know people have a hard time understanding this, but it's a, but it's a, a business atmosphere, and business is supposed to be conducted in these press conferences in a certain way. I mean, look, I've spoken out numerous times about people, athletes, and coaches who bring their kids to these press conference, you know, like it's a daycare, and that's usually there for cover, so people will ask them any in tech and this questions. So it doesn't deserve the attention it's getting Because it's not the biggest trans

You know Yeah I've ever seen in journalism But there's no There is no doubt That if you're talking Just like if you were talking about the business of football Okay

And somebody did something That was out of the norm Okay, within that world that would be criticized Okay, that's what it is here in journalism It's not an appropriate thing to do You know, and again I mean, Jesus, he lost a playoff game

You know, it's not like he was up there in tears He did receive it And I think in watching it many times A very heartfelt genuine way Like I Yes, he did. Okay. And that's what she wanted.

Yes. Yeah. So I think for starters, people who don't know, you know, just, and it's fine. Like, there are a lot of people that reacted to the reporter reaction, which, by the way, was mixed too. A lot of reporters were like, you know, this is fine, you know, enough already. But the, you know, general protocol for reporters. and that's not what I do, and it's not what Tommy does. Tommy's a columnist.

I'm a talk show host. Tommy's been a reporter. And by the way, when he's in the press box, he's a columnist slash reporter, but he has to abide by sort of the rules. And there are rules. Like when you are a reporter, it's objectivity.

There's no cheering. You know, I've been, I will tell you this, I've sat many times in media sections, not at our football team. games because the seats are just so horrendous. But at Maryland basketball games or Wizards games, and I've been in those media sections, and I have occasionally not been able to hold back on like a big play,

and then I look around and everybody's looking at me like, dude, you shouldn't be sitting here. Whatever. At the Commander's games, they'll make an announcement. There's no cheering, no cheering in the press box, no displays. Yeah. So just explain to people who don't know sort of the journalistic rules of covering sports at a game, both during the game when you're sitting in the press box and then after the game at the press conference or in the locker room when you're interviewing players in the locker room after the game. Just give a general people a general idea who don't have any clue how this works, what the rules are. Why? Why should I? What do you mean? Why should I do that?

I'm trying to help people. Why should I do that? Kevin, Kevin, I've told people to him blue in the face that if you, if you, if, you know, people just don't understand how you can write about a team or talk about a team and not root for that team. They just don't understand. Okay, but there are people out there that are, that are, genuinely interested in what sort of the protocol is and why reporters in general had a problem with what this, what happened in Jacksonville, the other. It just helps some people out.

No, I'm not. I'm not doing it. Oh, now you're going to get stubborn. I'm not doing it because it's a waste of time. Why? It's a waste of time. I told people, people say, well, you know, why don't you go cover the teen you root for? and I'd explain to them I don't root for any teeth.

Okay, don't make this about yourself right now. Just, I'm asking you, I'm asking you to tell the listeners of this podcast what you would tell one of your students at Georgetown if they asked you about the protocol in a press box and then in a press conference after a game. Well, you're supposed to ask questions that are objective. You're not supposed to make statements. that praise the coach. It's pretty simple.

It's not hard. Why do we have to go through this? Because I think a lot of people don't know. A lot of people don't know that reporters have to be objective. A lot of people don't know that reporters aren't allowed to cheer in a press conference. I think they aren't allowed to show any emotion. A lot of people heard this woman and just said, oh, my God, how sweet and how motherly. That's so much.

I think they know. and once they find out, they think, oh, that's stupid. Why can't you? Well, yeah, well, let me just tell you, anybody that's ever said to me, nice job reporter, where's your objectivity? I'm not a reporter. I'm actually encouraged to be a fan in what I do. And, yeah, so my view on this, Tommy, and I'll keep it short and sweet,

because I did talk about it for about 10, 15 minutes on yesterday's show with Zayb. But I'm not overly worked up by it. I'm not a reporter, but I understand what the journalistic, you know, code and protocol is. On one level, you know, I did sort of feel it as a sweet, heartfelt moment that was taken in a very thankful way by the head coach. But I also understand that it would have been much. more appropriate for her to have done that, you know, off on the side after the press conference. That was the place for that, you know, credentialed reporters are there working. And I don't buy into, you know, some of the pushback from people, oh, it only took 20 seconds or, oh, there weren't many

good questions asked anyway, or, you know, everybody got to ask questions if they wanted them to. She didn't, you know, prevent anybody from doing their work. That's really not the point. The point is, you know, credentialed reporters don't wave pom-poms and cheer during press conferences. And that's just the way it's been. And the reason for that, as you've described, is there has to be some sense of objectivity to report well. But the overall, you know, approach that she took, what she said, it's not a worldender. You know, everybody's still breathing. Life's going to go on.

I'm not overly worked up over it, even though I understand that there was, you know, another way in a more appropriate way, professionally, for her to do that. But here's what I describe. When people say, don't you root for a team, it's real simple. I root for me. Whatever outcome works best for me. You've said that a few times. You've said that a few times over the years. the other thing about this is that I don't think this happens in a big market

I think part of this is that it was Jacksonville like could this happen in New York no I don't think so no no I don't think but you know I mean Schifters had fault for for glorifying it I was surprised when I read that from him very surprised Yeah. But she got her five minutes out of it. I don't think she expected. Oh, I do either.

But I think she did, I think she did within that room want the attention. I don't think she wanted the attention of the universe. Yeah, I agree with that. I don't think she expected or wanted it to become what it's become. I bet you the newspaper that she works for has benefited somehow from the extra attention. No, of course. Again, I don't think that's why she did it. I don't think she... No, I don't either. This amount of attention. But yeah, of course, the people are certainly much more aware of the news operations she's in now than they were before.

Right. All right. Do you got anything else? Did you watch any of the Golden Globes on Sunday night? No. I'm not a big Nikki Glazer fan. Oh, really? I guess we've never talked about Nicky Glazer. Why aren't you a Nicky Glazer fan? Because she's... Look, and I mean, this is

this is the Geyser talk. But I'm not really into the the generation of comics. You know, it's a little bit too raw

for me. Too raw for you? Versus, say, versus what? Richard Pryor? Yeah I mean Eddie Murphy Raw

literally had I was never I was never an Eddie Murphy fan Really? I think he's very talented but I was a huge Richard Pryor fan Oh my God

Richard Pryor's the goat Yeah I think he is Yeah I think he is But this whole generation You know

Sean Gillis Shane Gillis He's funny He's funny He's funny Shane I got no use for any of them

I actually like Nikki Glazer. I think she's really funny. I think she's kind of cute too. But the reason I brought up, I didn't watch it. There was football on, so I wasn't watching it. My wife was watching it in another room.

But the reason I brought it up is one battle after another, one almost everything from what I was told. So you should, I want you to watch that movie. And then... I will, but not any time soon. I watched a movie with George Clooney the other day. Jay something or another.

I forget. It was pretty good. I'd recommend that. What was the name of the movie? Jay something. I'll have to have my staff look into it and find out. Jay Leary? I don't know what it is.

Something like that? I've never... Jake Kelly. Jay Kelly. What's it about? Starring George Clooney. This came out. All right.

The other... Watch that. So one battle after... another took apparently a lot of the movie awards. And then that show, and I forget if you ever watched it. I mean, I don't really listen to you and you don't listen to me when it comes to these things. But I did tell you to watch adolescence at some point.

It was Netflix. So I know you have Netflix. So I know about it, and my wife watched it, and I caught glimpses of it. Yeah. And I don't need that kind of, I don't need that kind of fictional pain. And so you don't like watching great acting, great. psychological dramas. You know what?

There's a I have a long list of films with great acting that I can watch any time. By the way, I highly recommend a film called Begonia. Really?

What's Begonia? Yes. Bagonia? It's about two conspiracy-obsessed men kidnapped the CEO of a major company. Is the CEO a woman?

Is the CEO a woman? Yes. She is? Really? And they become convinced she's an alien that wants to destroy the earth. Oh. Is Todd from Breaking Bad in it? Yes.

Oh. I wonder where I've heard about this movie before. Oh, just stop it. Stop it. We talked about this movie last week. I told you, watch Pagonia. I didn't watch it. Okay, well, I watched it.

Good. It was good, wasn't it? It was different. For Tommy to say that any of my recommendations, were actually good, he had to believe that I didn't recommend it, even though I did on the show last week. I said I watched two really good movies over the holidays,

Bologna and one battle after another, which took me a long time to get to. I was glad I got to it, but I said, I think you're really going to like both, and I think you're really going to like Bologna, because Emma Stone is phenomenal. And Todd,

from Breaking Bad, Jesse Plymins, who also was in, you know, Fargo Season 2 or Season 3 Was outstanding as well I love that movie That movie but one battle after another Basically took all of the awards Bologna was up for a few of them

But the reason I brought up adolescence is it won all of the awards for Dramatic Television shows which I was happy it did because I thought the acting in particular was phenomenal Especially the 14 year old kid Owen Cooper who was great So you liked Bologna. Stephen Graham. Stephen Graham is in adolescence, right? He is an adolescence. He wrote it. Well, he's a terrific actor. I watch another Hulu series called A Thousand Blows.

It's about boxing, it's about early boxing and the life of poor people in 19th century England. And I highly recommend a thousand blows on Hulu. Okay. The second season is just out now. Got it. And he's in that. Well, if you like Stephen Graham, then watch Adolescence. He wrote it and he was excellent in it as the kid's father.

Just phenomenal. All right, let's wrap this up. It's getting long. I'll talk to you on Thursday. Thanks. All right, boss. I'll see you.