The Kevin Sheehan Show - Bobby Hebert On Lattimore, Daniels & More

Episode Date: November 9, 2024

In case you missed it, this is the entire interview/conversation with former Saints' QB Bobby Hebert from earlier this week. His thoughts on the Marshon Lattimore trade, Jayden Daniels so far, and a lot about his career playing QB in New Orleans during a great NFC-dominant period.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it. You don't need it, but you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Sheehan Show. Here's Kevin. In case you missed my interview Wednesday with Bobby A. Bear, I'm putting this out over the weekend as just a standalone to make it easy to listen to. In case you missed it, I don't usually do this, but I enjoyed it so much, and many of you did as well. He's such a great guest. I call them to talk Marshawn Latimore.

But it ended up going, you know, 40 minutes. And we talked about everything. He talked about his days in the NFL. He talked about his memories of playing Washington during those days in the 80s and 90s, playing an RFK. And I just thought that I would put it out as a standalone podcast in case you didn't catch it as part of Wednesday's show. Wind donations, the presenting sponsor, of course, of this podcast. call them at 866-190 Nation or head to Window Nation if you need new windows. All right, let's get to it.

This was my conversation with Bobby A. Bear from the other day. Joining me right now is Bobby A. Bear, long-time NFL quarterback. Actually, one of my favorite quarterbacks during that era in the 80s and the 90s. Led the Saints to their first ever playoff game in 1987. He played in Atlanta as well to end. his career, had a lot of games against Washington during that era, played at RFK when I've had Bobby on the show previously. He loves to talk about some of the games that he played up here in Washington against those great redskinned teams. But that's not why I'm calling you today.

You know how bad we've been for the last 25, 30 years, but this team is so much better, Bobby. Jaden Daniels is a part of it. You know his game. You guys are huge LSU people down there. But I'm calling you today to ask you about Marshawn Latimore and what you think Washington's getting in the trade for the four-time Pro Bowl cornerback. Yeah, the fans love their team, and it's a shame it's taken this long. They remember the Joe Gives heydays, and I remember going against arguably the greatest Redskins cornerback, now the Washington Commanders,

in Darrell Green. I can tell you right now, Marshawn Latimore, is going to be the best cornerback that Redskins have seen, or should say the commanders have witnessed Darryne Green. And when I look at Marciaun Latimore,

now this is one position group in the same history. They have not had the best or even a handful of cornerbacks that you want to brag on or you want to write about. But Marshawn Latimore is the best cornerback in Saints history. Wow. And that's not a pigment.

That's just what he accomplished. Now, I'm sure, you know, to be held accountable, you have to be available. And Will Moore, Sean, Lattimore, be available? I think going to a winning team and a winning atmosphere, you know, he's out of Ohio State, that all of a sudden his hamstring is going to feel a whole lot better. And, you know, it's one of those things where our players are so highly skilled. And, you know, you might be dealing with some of the do you play? through it. But the only negative as of late, the injuries have followed up, and it started with

week one in 2022 season. He's played in just 24 of a possible 43 games. You know, in 22, he had missed 10 games with just a significant injury. He had a lacerated kidney. And then last year, he had suffered a high ankle sprain in week 10 and missed the remainder of the season. Yeah, a lot of the fans and even the organization had challenged him that he could have played at the end of the season and come back from that high ankle sprain. But other than that, you know, he's hell when he's well. And Sean Payton viewed him. And it was ironic.

If you look, it was an outstanding draft in the 2017 draft. And the Saints picked a lot of more number 11 pick overall in 2017. They were getting ready to pick Patrick Mahomes. Then Andy Reid moved ahead. And the Chiefs are headed a saint. So they're even going to go with Latimore or with Patrick Mahomes with that 11 pick, and then the chief got Mahomes, so they went ahead and got Latimore. And he's put his skin to the wall.

He immediately fortified the secondary. Look at the rookie intercepted five passes on his way to becoming divest a rookie to a year and he earned Pro Bowl honors. So he's been consistently asked, if you look at it, to shadow the opposing team's top wide receiver. And he's really excelled that that's why he was rewarded in 2021, a five-year, almost $98 million contract, then made him one of the highest paid defenders in NFL.

But no, he's never been a weak link. For instance, when you look at, you know, within the division, the NFC South, and you've heard of Mike Evans. Yep. Well, they went against one another more than basically two handful of times, and Mike Evans only got the best of them one time. And, you know, they also had Chris Gottman who ended up having big games against the Saints. But Mike Evans, Lattimore was able to check him.

And I can see Lattimore checking and hanging with, like, C.D. Lamb, for him they would play Dallas. Because if he's ready to roll, he is a highly skill set. And, like I said, the best quarterback in St. in the franchise of history. Bobby, so when Kansas City traded up in that draft, and I think they traded up with Buffalo. I think it was Buffalo that had that pick right before New Orleans.

You can correct me if I'm wrong on that one. But they were trading in front of New Orleans because the Saints, even with Drew Breeze, were going to take Patrick Mahomes. Right, then it's just coming from Sean Peyton. So there ain't no BS. Yeah. no, even though they had the great Drew Brees and Drew Brees continues to play,

you know, you always have to prepare for the future. And no, then Andy Reed, you know, things get leaked out. And he said, oh, the things are we got to go ahead. We've got to jump the Saints if we're going to get Patrick Mahomes. So that's what went down, and the rest is history. Look at Pat Mahomes. Look at the 21st Century's been to Patriots, and then they kind of passed the charge now to the Chief.

and, you know, Mahomes had a big part of that. And we all know about Jane Daniels around here. He comes to Arizona State Place for LSU, wins the Heisman Trophy, and he's about as good as it gets. You know, we were fortunate around here when you have Joe Burroughs, and then you had Jane Daniels. And, no, I think it's a window of opportunity I take advantage of. And there are a lot of big Jane Daniels fans around here.

And, you know, he has that difference maker. That's the difference to where you're relevant. I'm not saying, you know, all of a sudden Washington's going to win the Super Bowl, but they have a chance, and they have a chance because you've got to get to the postseason, and Jane Daniels, that's what he brings to the table. And I think Washington realized we get a guy on the defensive side of the ball. They got a defensive head coach. He knows about Lattimore and stuff, and I'd be shocked if Lattimore does not have success

at the highest level. I mean, by success, I don't know about first-team all-pro, but definitely a pro-ball caliber. All right, so I want to come back to Jaden in a moment, but you know, you said he's hell when he's well. So you went through his injuries. Do you think he's injury prone? No, I just think, you know, last rate of kidney. I don't know that's bad luck because he wasn't heard at the beginning. Now, sometimes, you know, you question a bunch of players around the league, oh, my hamstring.

You know, a little soft tissue injuries and stuff. And sometimes you have to be immature and be a pro. and even if it's not going well with the team, you don't want to be just grunnel and a bad influence in the locker room. But I think by Lattimore, it's a perfect fit. Him to go in a winning atmosphere right now where they have in Washington,

he would excel in that. For instance, if he was going another division opponent for Washington, he was going to the Giants, I would say not so much. But I think with the white leadership around him, because he's self-spoken, he really doesn't want to talk to the media. You know, you think he's shy, and I don't know how he is in the locker room, but he's not a flamboying guy that not only think Washington expects him to be the defensive team captain or anything.

They'll just tell him, do your damn job and shut down the number one opponent receiver. So he definitely has that skill set. I mean, in watching him from afar, he always appeared to be, you know, competitive as hell, tough as hell. is he a guy that Washington just takes because they don't have a number one corner. I mean, the closest thing to a number one corner they've had, you know, you went back to Daryl Green, may have been DeAngelo Hall here for a few years,

who actually, he played very well here for a few years, probably better here than he did anywhere else. But is he a guy you just stick on the number one on an A.J. Brown or a CD lamb, and you have him travel? But without a doubt, you know, you don't want to be 100% that way. Yeah. But you can mix it up.

But no, he can take on that responsibility. And there's not too many guys like that. You know, he kind of reminds me very similar looking. He's traveled. And, you know, these wide receivers and, you know, highly skilled cornerbacks, they could be flamboyant or might be viewed as disgruntled. Jalen Ramsey. Wouldn't you say Jailen Ramsey was pretty good?

Yeah. But look, I can try to travel. So, though, he has that ability, and he's tough. No, he could tag. You know, some cornerbacks don't want to tackle. No, he's a good tackler when you put him in run support. So, no, he's all-around corner. He's strong.

He has good length. He wants to challenge a receiver. You know, he'll come and play bump and run. The only time at times, sometimes he gets disinterested or boring, I've witnessed when he hasn't had his best of games is because, man, I'm way better in that receiver I'm covering and then kind of get a lack of days ago and maybe do too much

and then, you know, get beat that way. But, you know, he very seldom gets targeted. A lot of times they go against the other guy. Right. And that was even the case with Paulson and Devo. You know, Paulson & Devo was the one that was getting picked on and getting all the penalties. So, you know, if you look at number of targets

and the reception she gives up. I'll tell you, Lattimore, as far as maybe not a household name because he's playing in New Orleans as far as the fan bases, but as far as the GMs and the football people, they know who Lattimore is, and they know how good he can be,

and they still think, you know, that he has something left in the tank. Washington does, and I do too. I'm not saying that you give him a long-term deal the next five years, but I think he contributed the rest of his season and well end up to next year, if not beyond, looking at 25, even 26 season.

I wouldn't necessarily go beyond that. But for right now, where Washington's at, and 25 and 26, I'd be surprised if Vladimir's not the best cover guy for Washington the next two and a half seasons. Did you like the trade from the Saints' perspective? Well, the Saints had to get something far. You know, you're still going to have to eat, you know,

lot of money. I want something to count like 30-something million against the salary cap. But yeah, I think that's kind of the going rate, the value. I think it was fair. When you were getting a third-round pick, fourth-round pick, and then the sixth, and then Washington's getting Lattimore and a fifth round. So I think that's kind of the market value, you know, even better than, you know, the Jail and Ramsey do as late. And, you know, always bring up Jail and Ramsey because, you know, people view him, you know, here he was you know, I would say it was a solid hall about what the Saints got, but you've got to give up something to get something.

And you look when the Rams traded Jill and Ramsey to Miami in March of last year, I think it was for a third-round pick and then a little used tight-in called Hunter Long. So I think right now the Saints are definitely with the salary cab issues they have in rebuilding, that the draft picks. They said they wanted to get something for them because this was even in the off-season as far as you're trying to work out a deal so he could be tradable

and it finally, you know, came to fruition. But when you look at Latimore that, I mean, you could, I mean, how's going to,

he should be able to play immediately like put in a position where, you know, I want you to shut down this guy. And like I said, he definitely has that skill set. And, you know,

I look at Ram's, he was like 20 years old. at the time of his trade, the same age is Lattimore. So, yeah, you want to always have the young guys, and, you know, whenever you sniff in 30, especially like a running back or even when you've got to run, like a high price, a defensive back of a corner, that, you know, where can we get out of him now? But I think you definitely, two and a half years, maybe three, that a lot of more could be that top corner of for Washington.

All right. One more on him. You had mentioned that he's soft-spoken. Is he a well-like teammate? Were there, was he a good, you know, locker room guy? Give me something on that part of him. We don't know anything about him from up here. Well, at times, I don't know,

the Ohio State prima don't know, Michael Thomas, you know, sometimes not necessarily good in the locker room, but the players that play with him, like Cam Jordan, No, I don't think they ever had a problem with Lattimore. Sometimes, I think the fans get frustrated because as of late, you're unbelievable, but you're not available. You know, like I said, starting with that week one in 22 season, he's only played 24 to possible 43 games.

And when he's played in those games, no, he wins. He excels at a high level, like for instance, if you look like just, this year. He's given up only what, 12 catches on 22 targets in coverage this season. They just don't go his way. They said, well, it's kind of going away like from Revis Island. You know, Dorel Revis or Dion Sanders. I'm not saying Dion Sanders, but, you know, let's beat somebody else. I like all matchups better there than going constantly after a lot of more. More from my conversation with Bobby A. Bear the other day after these words from a few of our sponsors. Hey guys, prize picks is the place to go to for Daily Fantasy Sports.

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Oh, it was Dion Sanders. Washington had won the Super Bowl, and Eric Martin and I probably wanted Darryl Green's poorest games. We burned them. I threw over 100 yards against him, because Aaron Martin was so strong. Del Green was coming up and challenging him, and, you know, that Charles Manley, Dexter Man, so they were rushing the past. I knew the ball had to cover my hands, out of my hands,

and so Eric Martin would just kind of club him almost toss them out of way because Marshall Island was a lot bigger than General League. Yeah, of course. I'm not as fast. I mean, you know, Delaware is one of the fastest football players in the history of the game. But I just throw a quick slant, and he would get the yards after the country. catch the yak and stuff. So I would say the best ever, though, and I might be one of the few players that could

say this, I'd have to investigate it, but in a real NFL game, actually, through Deon's a interception and a touchdown. So we played Atlanta. I thought I had a touchdown pass on time. I don't know how, to this day, how Dion intercepted that pass. And now he was baiting me, and he kind of tugged in the receiver's jersey a little bit. I thought I had a touchdown. I ended up coming up with an interception.

And then when we played Dallas when I was with Atlanta with the Falcons, and they had just won this school goal. They got Troy Aeman, Michael Irvin, and all that crew. And we were ahead. So I knew they were going to blitz. I told June Jones, put Dion at receiver. I know they come in. They play man to man.

Whoever's covered Dion, I know they can't cover him. So all I did was getting a shotgun, really just set my feet, and just get the ball on my hands, depending on the lever. It's going to throw, like, end-cutter or a quick copy. and he didn't want to get beat inside the Dallas offender. So I hit Deion in the flight. I threw it about eight yards, and he's high stepping for about 80 yards. That's a great opportunity to play with a guy like Deion

and know what an unbelievable quarterback is and to throw both an interception and touchdown at the NFL level. You know what? I just found the box score for the game that you were talking about against Darrell Green. I remember this game. You guys were really good. It was 88. The game was at RFK.

The skins were really good. You know, one of those late afternoon, 4 o'clock starts. And Eric Martin, 10 catches 146 yards in a touchdown. Well, Darrell Green was gardening, and we were able to exploit that.

And I thought we had the game on. Never forget it in. You know, the great Martin Anderson. Pro Football Hall of Fame, the field was kind of like at RFC. It was kind of like a cowpastor. It wasn't too good. So Martin Anderson,

we thought we're going to win this game. We're going to have a walk-off field goal. And then what happened, Dexter Manly, end up spitting in Jim Dembrowski's face. And, you know, they always catch you the next time, and so all of a sudden,

DeMbrowski, like, swings out of him, so they throw a personal foul penalty. I go, Dumbril, what are you doing? He's setting you up. cannot retaliate like that because, you know, they didn't see what Dexter Maly did. So we had a penalty. So Martin has to kick a long field goal at the end, and he slipped with his plant foot and ended up missing it, and then we lost that game.

I think it was 20-some, 20-some. If I can recall what? Good memory. Good memory. 27-24. So we didn't win in overtime, yeah. Yeah, Morton Anderson missed one at the end, exactly. after Chip Lohmiller had kicked a field goal to give Washington the lead.

By the way, Washington was the defending champ that year. They had won the Super Bowl the year before. And that was in that particular season, one of the last games they really won. They lost five of their last six after that and missed the postseason. Yeah. And I think you guys went to. the playoffs that year. Was that the first? Yeah, well, no, no, no, that was here, think about this, because there was one last

wild card game. Right. You know, we were 10 and 6 and didn't make the playoffs. Oh, that's right. You went to the playoffs the year before, because you were the quarterback for the first ever Saints playoff team, if my memory serves me, Gregory. Yeah. Yeah, in 1987. Right. You know, we went 12 and 3. That was the strike season, so they had 15 games instead of 16.

We went 12 and 3, and we won nine games in a real now with the great Archie Manning, you know, that name Manning. Yep. The best he ever went in the Saints uniform was 8 and 8. So not only did we go 12 and 3, we won nine games in a row in 87. We got waxed by the Vikings and 87. And they were just better than us. And then they went on the road and won at San Fran. Yeah.

And then they played, I think it was raining in Washington, and the Redskins. beat the Vikings. That's right. I want to say to go to the Super Bowl. Yep. So, yeah, we were amongst, that's when the NFC had like 20 teams. I mean, at 20 teams. For five teams better than any

AFC team. Like, for instance, in the 88 season, like the Broncos, you know, they're kind of representing the AFC and John Elway in the Super Bowl. We beat them 42 to nothing. Yeah. Well, we've crushed Denver, and that's another one of my claim to things. And it's kind of Lamar Jackson, and I was

when the Giants finally beat him. I want to say he had beaten the NFC teams, like 11 straight games. Well, I might be one of those trivia things. I think I have the NFL record when you cross in, you know, AFC, NFC. I won 20 straight games against an AFC opponent. Really? And in the 20- and in the 21st game, we lost to the Buffalo Bills. And we all know that's when Buffalo was going to the two-o-ball run out,

four straight seasons in a row. So, yeah, that was like late 80s, early 90s. early 90s. That was my heyday, but I never forget this. We only won one division title of the NFC West in 1991. We were 11 and 5. And the reason why

in that year, if somebody was the 49ers that had a down year, but the other years, we won 12 games twice, 12 games in 87, 12 games in 92, but the damn 49ers were going 14 and 2, you know, with Joe Montana, and then, you know, Steve Young,

thinking over. So it was like, I don't kind of the wrong division. You know, look, and I look how weak the NFC South is, or as been as of late. But that was never the case with the 49ers. You know, but you think you get to double-bidgined wins. I'm sure right now you're with 17 games. 10 and 6 is good with 16, but 10 and 7,

you still should be a playoff team if you hit double-digit win. Do you know that Gibbs missed the playoffs twice going 10 and 6? all those years of making the playoffs and the bad years for Washington during those years, 10 and 6 in no playoffs, twice. Yeah, I think they end up adding a wild card team to, you know, more is better, whatever. And I think you have to make your team successful. Even at 10 and 7, I think, because you know how the parity in the league and everyone, a number of teams are kind of hovering around 500.

Right. You think if you're a fan base, if you get to double-digit, you should be in the postseason. You know, the year that you guys lost to the Saints, in lost to the Falcons, excuse me, and Chris Miller at home, I think you would have come, because Atlanta came to Washington the following week,

and that was the 91 skins. I think it's the best Super Bowl team of all time. I think it's the best football team, NFL team of all time, skins, but would you guys have gone to Washington or Detroit the next week? Do you remember? I don't remember. Like I said, I know we're 11 and 5 and it was so frustrated. You know, you've got to win the postseason. We beat Atlanta twice in the regular season, but you know, Andrews come into play. Yeah.

I'll two start, I'll two starting cornerbacks throughout the game. Toy Cook had broke his arm. He's a cornerback from Stanford. And then Vince Buck, a other start. and corner of cornerback at brook his neck. And then all of a sudden had backup cornerbacks and Mike Hayes and Chris Willow, they just burn us. Because if we scored in the 20s, and we had the Dol Patrol, we were going to win the game.

Yeah. You know, we have methodically control, always win time of possession. You know, always view how, you know, Coach Mara would always tell us and look from all of the defense's perspective that, look, if our defenses were there,

so, we should hold an opponent to 17 points or less. And shame on our offense if we don't win that type of game. And then he'd emphasize to me, Bobby, we, you know, we score, we get to 23, low 20s, we're going to win. And that's how we get a double-digit win. So that was kind of a strategy, not like we're going to score in every possession. And a lot of times, I was either 91 or 92, I was the least sack quarterback in the NFL. I never get you.

We find a loss to the bills. I've gotten sacked, I think, like, 12 times in 15 games, and then the 16 game we lost the Buffalo got sacked three times. So I got, like, sacked 15 times in 16 games. That's how I've seen these young quarterbacks. You got rid of it. Yeah, I said, I never got sacked five or six times in my life. Right.

You know, a lot of times, you know, the fans say, oh, they're not blocking for the quarterback. No, but the ball has to come out your hand. But then if you got the skill set, like you can extend plays like James Daniels. You know, I always, one of the reasons I really liked you, by the way, I just figured it out. If you guys had beaten the Falcons, because the Falcons, you were a division winner and the Falcons were a wild card team, if you had won that game, you would have gone to Detroit and Dallas, who beat Chicago, would have come to Washington in the divisional round. But instead, Atlanta came to Washington.

It's actually a famous game. It was a playoff game and a downpour. And they called it the seat cushion game because at the end of the game, they handed out these seat cushions before the game. And at the end of the game, everybody started throwing them out onto the field. But anyway, that 91 team, I think is the best. A lot of the analytics post years have said the 91 skins of the most complete Super Bowl winner. of all time. But one of the reasons I always was a fan of yours, and I was rooting for you in that

playoff game against Philadelphia that year that the Eagles came in with Reggie White and that whole gang and won. But you were, I don't want to say you were Kurt Warner before Kurt Warner, but you had this, you were toughest as hell, you would take big shots, but you just saw it. Like the ball was always coming out. It was always accurate. And you didn't have the weapons that Kurt Warner had. But I'm curious, have you ever thought about who your comp, NFL comp was? Well, you know, Jim Stanley, I won the U.S.S.fell championship in 1983 with the Michigan Panthers. Right.

With Anthony Carter, right. Yeah, the University of Michigan. He always had coach, D.Line coach, and he was our head coach. He said I always remind him of Phil Sim. Okay. You know, the Giants, he says Phil Sands, the modern-day version, I would say that's why I'd share for him, Kurt Cousins. You know, we were like, oh, we did it, they kept Desmond Ritter. But look at a difference that Kurt Cousins has made.

And then I even look at who's a legit NFL quarterback, not necessarily his starter. He never won anything at Cincinnati, but he gives him a chance, at least to fight it as Andy Dalton. Yeah. You know, so I kind of looked at those, like, one thing I knew I was acting with the football, and I wasn't afraid to get hit. And then they used to hit the quarterbacks back in those. Yeah. You know, now you can't land on them.

You know, you have Tomahawk chabot on top of your head or you across your face and then picking you up and not laying you down, but landing on you and stuff. And, boy, Phil, that's probably the most frustrated game ever, that Eagles playoff game in 92. I did unbelievable in the first half, and the second half. I don't know, they made adjustments, and I guess we didn't because, you know, I'm looking at Carl Smith, who's officer coordinator, I go, Carl, what's up? You know, like, I'm ready to throw. I know when it's time to throw, there ain't nobody open,

and I can't run around like James Daniels. And now he just said, he just said, keep fighting. I said, I'm fighting the assholes. He just said, keep fighting and try to make something happen. But then they had, you know, Reggie White. Then you literally said, Joyner, look at all of those guys they had. Oh, yeah. It was literally like you count your clock in your head, like 1001, you got to throw it.

It wasn't like I could make a sandwich back there in the pocket because the Eagles were coming. You know, people who are listening to this, they just realized that you were one of my favorite quarterbacks back in the day, and one of my favorite quarterbacks of the last 10 years, because he played here is Kirk Cousins. And I still kind of watch Cousins from afar. Obviously, we got a team now, and we got a quarterback here, but I actually think he's been one of the most underrated quarterbacks of the last, you know, many years.

Well, and Kurt Cousin has always gamutton on himself, and he's been well compensated. Yes, he has been. I sat out a whole year in 1990 just trying to get a million dollars. You know, Jim Finch, we had an old school general manager, so we own you. I'm going to pay you what I want. I was a big part of testifying that antitrust lawsuit with the players. It was called Reggie White and Freeman McNeil and Gil Bird, all those old players.

But it was my testimony in front of Judge Doty that Greg Aello, the PR guy with the NFL, said, we got excited with the players now. Aver is kicking our ass. Remember Gene Upshaw was opening up the champagne. at the hotel because, no, we're going to win, and then end up settling with us. And they mean Marcus Allen and getting in that antitrust lawsuit, the highest compensation, because Estabon Al Davis is trying to screw him around with the Raiders and not going to the cheap.

But, yeah, but Coach Moore had my back. I never went back with the Saints in 91. If Steve Walsh, the University of Miami quarterback was with Dallas and, you know, came to the Saints and John Forkey, If it worked out, the same thing I brought in about. But Coach Mora told us to think that if you don't bring Aber back, I'm not signing an extension. And, you know, Ricky Jackson and Dome Patrol, they all say,

well, Aber, you're the difference of us instead of being a 500 team, instead of going like 8 and 8, well, you're going to help us win three or four more games. And I always thought I really took that to heart because the Dawn Patrol is arguably the greatest lineback in core in NFL history, I would say in the 3-4, now 4-3 going against them, that be the Bears. I mean, when the Bears had Wilburne Marshall

end up playing with the Redskins. Yeah. But when they had Wilburne Marshall, Otis Wilson, and Mike Singatry, I remember when Coach Mara just came on board, the Bears are just one of the Super Bowl, they crushed the Patriots. We practiced against the Bears in Pladville.

And I'll tell you, we look like the JV team versus the Bar They were that good. That good, I was like, if they were really tackling, I'd be getting killed. I remember Coach Moore, we're doing the inside drill, which is a run drill, and, you know, it's supposed to be like 12 running plays, and, you know, they don't have defensive backs to run support. But literally, I'm handing off to Don Hilli, and we're not even halfway about the fourth or fifth play.

We both get tackling in the back to the drill, so Coach Moore had to cut out the drill, and then we're doing even like teams. and then I'm saying if we were playing the Bears this is this is 85 you're talking about the 85 Bears so you're 85 Bears so this is 86 training cat yeah and so and so I'm thinking if if we were playing the Bears right now how could we I just hope we can get two first downs in a row

how are we going to score so then all of a sudden more turning around and we end up having that 12 and 3 season yeah in 87 and, yeah, so, you know, you're right, collect, and, you know, those days at all. And, you know, when I look even Washington, there's a lot of Louisiana flavor there, Doug Williams. Of course.

You know, that was exactly, from Zachary. And then a little bit later, Brian Mitchell. Yeah, Brian Mitchell from U.L. Lafayette, you know, and stuff. So, yeah, always is always a big Joe Gibbs fan. I don't know. I think sometimes he don't get enough credit. we get as much credit for NASCAR, I would give anything. Yeah.

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Well, so let me ask you, and you've already been so generous with your time per usual, but you talked a little bit about him. You got to see him. I think most people understand in New Orleans how big LSU football is as well. So I'm assuming you're following Jaden a little bit. What have you thought so far of his first nine games as a pro? Well, Jane Daniels should have been the number of an overall pick. I'm not, nothing against Caleb Williams, but Jane Daniels is more polished.

He's played more football games. He's more, I would say, NFL-ready quarterback, and knows where he's going to the ball, and not just add-living. People don't realize, even though, like, fans would freak out. He's going against the SEC talent, how top SEC defenders, thought they'd have the angle on them, and they didn't have the angle. There was one game against Florida. I mean, he was like a magician. Yeah.

And he's got a little bit different style, you know, than Lamar or even Michael Vick. But I think what he has over them overall, people don't realize how a great accurate passer he is. And the touch, and he's worked on that, and he's gotten better. So, no, they hit the lottery. Washington hit the lottery with Jane Daniels. and no, to me, you know, NFL's hoping two or three quarterbacks can work out, maybe you're young guys, but it's a lot easier said than done. But I think Caleb Williams right now kind of wishes he was on James Daniels level.

You know what's amazing in watching him is just the poise and the cool. Nothing seems to ever rattle him at all. No, no, he's Joe Koo. He's like, uh, Joe Koo, that's kind of sound like Joe Montana. No, he, he is, he's too cool. He is, and he's tough. People don't really like, he's skinny. Yeah.

Like, I was a big guy, you know, like, I look at my frame and all. And I'm like 225 at all. Jane Daniels, he's fast and he's accurate. But, now, hopefully in the NFL, sometimes at LSU, he took some shots. I don't know how he's getting up. I think he's learned to get down a little better. And that's what you need to last a long time in the NFL. Get what you can and get down.

But he's all around. He's tough. He's tough as meals. Really enjoyed this. Very much appreciate it. Hope you're well, and it's always good to catch up. Yeah, well, they have a game, a division game, rivalry game against Atlanta comes Sunday that being the Saints.

And this will look at it, whether the Saints are good, and the Falcons are bad or vice versa, that always got them splitting. You always got them splitting. Yeah, so I think the Saints can upset them. I think Vegas got them like a three-point underdog, and they're playing in the dome. So it'll be interesting to see what's going to happen. But I always get them, you know, splitting. But like the first game, they lost Atlanta.

Do you realize Atlanta did they score an officer touchdown in the Saints' loss? Yeah, I know. They scored on special teams, and then the kicker kicked like a 59-yard or something like that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and so, yeah, so they'll be interested to see how the Saints, which direction they're going to go right now. Well, how did you feel after the first two games this year when they scored 91 points? I know they beat the Panthers, but we didn't know that Dallas was bad? Yeah, yeah, no, I've always said, I never.

I was one team I'll never cheer for the cowgirls. We don't either. And, you know, the reason, you know, I went to school in North Louisiana in Nackettish, about 70 miles off of the streetport, so I'd be at family gatherings, and they would tell me, you know, through marriage, you know, cousins and uncles,

oh, wait until you play them cowboys, I go, what? I go, you mean, you get a chair for Dallas? You don't know nobody on Dallas. I'm part of your blood. You know, I get it for me. And then they said, well, Bobby's always talking smack about Dallas.

They must have whipped him. And I said, no, I'll play Dallas. I played Dallas four times, and I got a three-in-one record. There you go. You never beat. I never forget the very first game. The 89, we put Jimmy Johnson's first game in Troy, and the very first game in the NFL.

We beat them 20 to nothing. Well, 809 was there one in fifth, was there one in 15 team, right? Yes, they're one and 15. Do you know who they beat? They beat Washington with Steve Walt. Exactly. People don't realize the great Troy Aitman, the Hall of Fame,

he was 0 and 15. Yeah. Yeah, Walsh won that game. Yeah, they ended up Jimmy Johnson end up trading him. I bet you that Steve Walsh in that game didn't complete even five passes. It was the ugliest. game of all time. I think it was 13 to 3 was the final. But anyway, yeah. That one, you know, the skins and cowboys during that, you know, heyday of it being the best rivalry in the NFL,

people would say, look, we'll go 2 and 14 if the two wins are against the Cowboys. I never felt that way. I'd rather be 14 and 2 and lose two to the Cowboys. But the Cowboys got the one that I think they wanted the most that year, which was beating Washington. And then it didn't take long, right? You know, the next two years later, no, the next year, the next year they were in the postseason, I think, in 1990 for the first time. Yeah. No, 91, 91, 91, they were in the postseason for the first time.

Yeah, and you look, Dallas, the prosperity had in the 90s. Oh, yeah. I think Jerry Jones might sell us sold it a devil if we can win another suitable. Or you give up a few billion. I love it. I love it. Always say it's a great day in America when the Saints win and the Cowgirls lose. And you know, with some Dallas fans, they try and talk smack to them. They go, oh, what about the Saints? I go, what do you talk about? We kicked y'all ass. I mean, where does it put y'all?

Exactly. This was so much fun. Really enjoyed it. And by the way, I think the Saints plus the short number, I think it looks a little fishy. I think the Saints have a shot Sunday, too. That seems right. Yeah, you know, yeah, they have a Derek Carr, the only thing, Chris Olavet is dealing with a concussion. Right. For shoot, he'd being out.

New coach, the whole thing. Yeah, you bounce up. But they're going to play for Coach Rizzi. All right. Coach Rizzing, more like Sean Payton, really emotional. And, you know, you know, well, you could be a special team's coach and be a head coach. Look at John Harbaugh, arguably one of the best coach NFL.

That's his background. and he brought up, oh, yeah, Bobby, don't forget, Marv Levy. Look at the success Marv Levy had, and he was in special teams background. Did you know that Marv Levy was the first ever special teams coach? And do you know who made him the first special teams coach? Well, I'm guessing. Was there Washington? It was, and it was George Allen.

And correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you beat him in the U.S.FL championship game? Yes. no, not the championship in the playoffs. Oh, okay. Chicago Blitz. Yeah. And they had Greg Landry, the old line. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And they were truly, you know, he had the over-the-hill gang with Washington or when they lost to the Dolves and the Dollars were undefeated. Well, he had an over-the-hill gang with the Chicago Blitz. It was one of the hottest things that we were playing in June at Soldier Field when they had artificial turf. And it was like 120-some degrees. But we had a young team, and they were all old, and I think I threw like five-threaddown pass against him. And remember what's our eye before half?

I escaped out the pocket, and I hit Derek Holloway up about a 50-yard bomb, and I got knocked out on the sideline. And George Allen says, like, man, didn't I tell you all to keep Hebert in the pocket? How do you get A-Bair out of Hebert? Hebert. Well, but Marr, so there was never any, the first special teams coach ever. George Allen emphasized special teams. Nobody really did it before him.

And he was the first guy to hire a coach, just a coach special teams. And it was Marv Levy. And he was the special teams coach on that Super Bowl team that lost to the dolphins in 72. Well, a small world, I remember, I even have, remember the little red skin's helmet It was a yellow helmet, and then they had... With the R. Yeah, with the R. Exactly.

Yeah. But I never forget. And not that you bring that up, we had a coach with the Michigan Panthers, George Dixon. And he was there with Vince Lombardi, a staff. When Bix Lombardi left,

Green Bay, he went to Washington, and then he said he'd always tell the running back, so I remember, you know, and then one running back, he couldn't remember his players. And he played in Michigan State ago. How do you remember his play? he's then. And he'd say, uh, mister, you've got the memory of a net. And he'd always get on

him. And he'd always say, and he should bring out the mold film. He goes, let me tell you about Larry Brown. He goes, you know, George Dixon, ballhead, and I never forget him. He's always chewing cigars and all, but, but Larry Brown, he'd always be bragging on Larry Brown, but Washington. Well, he was, he was the MVP. He was the league, MV, offensive MVP in 72. But here's something, just to tie it back to your guy that was with Lombardi, you know, Lombardy coached in Washington in 1969. And then he passed away over the summer prior to the 1970 season. But that helmet that you're talking about, the yellow helmet with the R,

was Lombardi's helmet because he wanted the helmet to resemble the yellow helmet with the G for the Packers. Oh, wow. I didn't know that. Yeah, and that's why they... And then George Allen came in, and they, in fact, the name of the family is the Wetzels. Blackie Wetzel was a Native American who designed the logo that we had forever until we lost the name a couple of years ago and the logo, and that's still a sore subject around here.

Anyway, this was a blast. I really appreciate it. Great catching up. Yeah, thanks for having me on. I tell you what, there's a lot of Louisiana fans that the face are doing so bad day cheering for Washington. A lot of them, yeah, hope they win the NFC East and for sure just with Dallas. Yep. Well, they're really good on offense, and he's been spectacular.

I mean, he's a legit MVP candidate. He's in the running as a rookie, which is amazing. Yeah, he's not only rookie the year, but yeah, MVP candidate, like you said. Yeah. Bobby, thanks. Appreciate it. All right. Okay, talk you later.

Okay, bye-bye.