The Kevin Sheehan Show - Caps Blanked & A New Guess on Rosen

Episode Date: April 16, 2019

Kevin and Thom open with the Ovechkin KO punch and the 'Canes Game 3 blow out win. Kevin has a new guess on whether or not Josh Rosen will be traded to the Redskins. They talked about last night's LA Clippers comeback against the Warriors....the largest NBA playoff comeback ever. Russell Wilson's new contract and Scot McCloughan's comments on Kyler Murray were also discussed. Thom weighed in on Reuben Foster. The guys also talked about one of the all time one-sided NFL trades....20 years ago Charley Casserly fleeced Mike Ditka and the Saints. <p> </p><p>Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a></p> Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You want it. You need it. It's what everyone's talking about. The Kevin Sheehan Show. Now here's Kevin. You're listening to The Sports Fix. All right, it is a Sports Fix 2.0 Tuesday. Tommy's here. Aaron's here. This show is brought to you by Window Nation. If you're in the market for Windows, call 86690 Nation or go to Window Nation.com and tell them we told you to call. Yes, you all were right. Breanne was in the first episode. Aaron and I didn't. see her. It's a quick glance, I think, of her standing next to or behind Sansa in that original, in that first scene when John and DeNarius are coming in on horseback. But it made sense that she should be there. I get it. You know, maybe you couldn't see through your visor. That's right. I had a visor. Is that the problem? Yeah, I had my White Walker visor. Yeah. Maybe you couldn't see through that. We play dress up before the show. What did I text

you five minutes before the show? Hold on. You know what? You were. and Scott both. Scott texted me something right before the show. Right before the show started. I'm going to find it. I texted you, what are you wearing? That's right. You said, what are you wearing? And Van Pelt right before it started. What did he, hold on. God damn. He sent me something really condescending to. He just sent like dragon emojis. And then he said, then he sent me a text when the show ended at 10 o'clock. Did the dragon emoji hurt anybody? Hey, does a dragon have a name? Yeah, they all three had names.

Do you remember what are the names? Trogon, and which is the one that died? Vesaryon. Yeah. Okay, okay, good. You got to have a name. And Regal. Died, well, he's not dead anymore.

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I got at least a half dozen tweets saying, tuned out at the whatever mark, please don't do this anymore. Not interested in your Game of Thrones stuff. Okay. You don't have to be interested. We get the full show first. I guarantee you there are people yesterday probably listening that we're not interested in the NFL

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I want you to weigh in on Ruben Foster, Tiger. Also, yesterday was an anniversary of one of the great fleecings of all time when it comes to NFL trades, and it actually happened to include the Washington Redskins as part of the deal as one of the two participants in the deal. So we'll talk about that a little bit later on as well. Let's start with the caps. I'm sure

Neil and Rockville texted me this morning. Tommy's got a real strong opinion about the fighting. Did you tweet something out last night about the fight? You can fight with Andre Svich. Nekikov or whatever? I just tweeted out. Svechnikov. There you go. If this was boxing

that kid from Carolina? 19 years old. He wouldn't be able to get back in the ring for 90 days. Okay. Okay. So my point is, my point is even boxing is more humane than this. They wouldn't allow that kid to fight again for three months.

I mean, you know, that kid may be back on the ice in a week. Yeah, but the box, a fighter doesn't have a scheduled fight in the next 90 days ever. What are you talking about? But they're not allowed to, what are you talking about? People fight, fighters fight every six weeks sometimes. Not usually. Not you, but they can. They can.

So if you have to wait next to- But you were literally banned from stepping into the ring for three months in boxing. It's part of the rules. Okay. But in hockey, this ridiculous notion that basically sanctioned assault, that that kid could, if he passes the concussion protocol, he'll be back on the ice. I don't see how, but he will. I mean, and it's just, it's just absurd that, that,

This is something that is part of the game. I don't want to argue the whole fighting and hockey thing to me. Why? Well, because this is a passion of yours. Yeah, I know that. I get that. And you know what? At some point, we won't have to argue it because it won't exist in hockey at some point.

You know, this is, you know, what they have to do then. If they really want this legislated out of the game, they've got to create rules to legislate it out of the game. But it's not. It's not promoted. It's not pushed. It's not advocated as much anymore, but it's still part of the game. Before we get to this, and we don't have to spend a lot of time on it. This is more your thing. I actually, I like the hockey fighting. I think it's entertaining. I don't want anybody to get seriously hurt, but I think it's part of the sport and part of the sport that some people like, and others don't like it. You're welcome to your own opinion. But I do want to ask you this. I felt, watching it and certainly the replay of it, that Ovechkin certainly didn't initiate it. No. He was responding to this 19-year-old who said, let's go and drop the gloves. Well, I mean, you look at the video.

It's almost simultaneous. But I think Ovechkin was being egged on. Yes, he was. And it's very hard to egg him on. This was his fourth career fight. He hadn't fought since 2010. Fourth career fight. I know.

And as a whole different argument, it's interesting. thing that people thought that it would energize his team, I think it kind of sucked the life out of the cast. I mean, I think people were stunned. I think everybody was stunned by, A, seeing Ovechkin fighting, and B, the damage done to the kid. And I think, I think it kind of like just shocked, shocked his teammates. Well, as much as they respected.

It may have inspired the hurricanes. It may have, but I mean, look, if you watch talking in this town, you had to. to be stunned to see that. I was shocked. Were you watching it as it happened? I was too. I couldn't believe it. I'm watching it with my wife.

I said, holy Maco, you never see this. You never see Ovechkin fight. And I thought, Joe B. and Lachlan are our favorites. I mean, they are so good. It's such a great broadcast. Go back and listen to the level. I mean, Lachlan's already high pitched. Listen to the excitement and he is stunned at what he is watching.

They all were. Alan May, too, who's part of that broadcast. And Joe B, I think, has, I'm guessing he has the same feeling you have because he was, you could sense that there was some disappointment on his end, that Ovechkin was, first of all, in that position, but that he was going to take a five-minute penalty. Yeah. And that he was going to be in the penalty box for five minutes and that it would hurt the team.

I don't feel strongly one way or the other about fighting in hockey. When it happens, I'm not turning it off. I mean, I'd be lying if I told you I turned it off or I turned away or I was repulsed somehow. I'm not. And last night was what Ovechkin did. By the way, that third short, you know, straight punch to the jaw was, some people think the kid was knocked out with the head hitting the ice.

I think it was the punch. I think it was the punch, too. It was the punch. Listen, a culture, sometimes you could be so close to a culture that you don't recognize how toxic and barbaric it can be. And this is. It's ridiculous. I covered cops for 15 years as a news reporter.

And I'm telling you, it doesn't matter who dropped the gloves first or who said what to who first. If that happens on the street or in a bar, Ovechkins getting hauled away in handcuffs. Well, not if he was defending himself. No, no, doesn't matter. You do that kind of damage to a guy. You'll have to sort it out and quickly.

but you're getting hauled away in handcuffs. Well, not necessarily, but I'm not going to sit here and share stories with you, but if it's clear that the person's defending himself and everybody in that situation watches that person defend himself, he's not necessarily going to get hauled away in cuffs. But I understand generally the point is the guy that's out cold is assumed to have been the victim more times than not. Yes. But it will get sorted out.

It might get sorted out later, but you are getting in the back of the squad car, except in hockey. I mean, you know, it's amazing. In football, they don't allow as football, as brutal as sport as football is. The referees don't sit there and say, okay, go ahead, have at it. In baseball with all the stupid brawls that they have, I mean, the umpires don't say, okay, go ahead and fight for a couple of minutes. It's absurd. And for people to say it's part of the game, you know, it might be part of the game. you know, it might be part of what you grew up with, but I guarantee you, trust me, you're too close to the game.

If you think this is normal behavior, if you think this is acceptable. And guess what, people, it's going to be gone. It's getting reduced year by year. There's less fighting year by year. And at some point, if that kid doesn't get up, there's no more fighting in the NHL. No more. Zip. What's your reaction when you're watching that?

I want to know what your personal reaction is. I know what your general feeling on fighting in hockey is, but are you physically repulsed? Are you traumatized by watching? Initially, well, first of all. I want to know what your true feelings are. Okay. Well, my feeling is I go to my logical step. I say, I can't believe I'm watching a sport where this is allowed, where the point of the sport

is not fighting, like boxing, but this is allowed. This is acceptable. I still can't. My first move is I can't believe this sport still allowed. this. That's what it is. I mean, I go right to my logical decision. I don't sit there with some kind of, you know, emotional, evisceral kind of reaction to it. Okay. I mean, like, look, I cover boxing. I know you did. When I cover boxing, I don't cover it the same, I don't cover it the same way either. I don't cover it emotionally. I don't cover it with some kind of visceral feeling. I mean,

I'm analyzing it, you know, so I don't have any kind of emotional, you know, feeling except discussed that this sport allows this to happen. I know I know what you're saying. I guess, I mean, does any part of you as you're watching it and Ovechkin connects with the third shot? Oh, I was very important. Stand up and say, whoa, that was a punch. Ovechkin, who's not a fighter, has apparently learned how to fight.

Maybe courtesy of some Wilson lessons. along the way. But that was one of those short, right hands, Tommy and boxing that connects with a guy who was leading a little bit with his chin, and boom, that is a long fall. They both engaged in it. This was not a cheap shot. I didn't say it was a cheap shot. I know. I'm wondering if you see any sort of distinction between an absolute cheap shot in hockey, which isn't part of the game necessarily versus the you know the both both players deciding simultaneously we're going to do this thing i i'm going to do it in a fair way i i understand that i obviously there's a distinction between a cheap shot and players dropping the gloves but when players drop the gloves i mean

particularly in the playoffs it would seem uh when the focus is higher under normal conditions under In an evolved society, the referees step in and say no. The official step in and say no. You're not here to do this. You're here to play hockey. What about two athletes who are competing at the highest levels in the most intense environments of playoff, a postseason game, that end up losing control and end up fighting.

And I'm not blaming them. I'm blaming the game. I'm blaming the structure. It could happen even if the rules were that they were going to get booted. We see fights in other sports. Yeah. And again, are you just asking for stronger rules? I'm asking for fighting not to be a sanctioned part of hockey.

I mean, that's what it is. And you know what's amazing? You know what's hilarious? People think they know you when they hear you talk or they see or they read your writing. And I got called so many names from pussy to snowflake to all kinds of stuff last night. I want to see all. And the internet, and one guy said he can't fight. That's why he says this.

And it's so funny. It really is. Where is your tweet on this? I want to read the follow. Don't worry about it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, I got roasted pretty good. Oh, here it is.

If Svechnikov was a boxer, he wouldn't be allowed in the ring for 90 days, horrible hockey culture that sanctions assault. And then here it comes. Milk toast. if there ever was one. You see? You see, these people assume they know me.

But he's a better writer than me with all the mistakes I made. Because I have this. Tom can't fight. Stick to baseball, Gramps. Assault, two consenting adults

that just so happened that one was a man. Yeah, I know. How do you like that take? How do you like that take? What was a man? Yeah, that's ridiculous.

God, nobody came to your support. No. No, no, because again, because you're all too close. to the sport that you love, and you don't realize if this was out on the street, this would not be allowed.

This is not acceptable human behavior. I think that, I think you using the word assault in this particular instance may have turned people against this particular tweet because it wasn't a sanctioned assault, what you saw. You saw two. I'm not talking about Ovechkin. The NHL sanctioned it. They allowed it.

Okay, I'm just saying that you had two guys that decided, you know, they agreed that they were going to fight. They both dropped their gloves and said, this is how this particular disagreement is going to get solved. And you and I must have had different experiences about this, because when I've seen two guys do that on the street or in a bar and one guy was on the floor knocked out and the cops are there, the other guy's going to jail. I've been on both ends of those things before. Not that I am a fighter by a long shot. But you know, I mean, I think you and, I mean, I will certainly defend myself. Yes. If, you know, provoked.

I don't want to get into this because let me just say that I've been in that position where the person that was still standing versus the person that was on the ground pretty much out, was not taken away in cuffs. But it was because everybody watched what happened and saw that the person was provoked. And by the way, that person also got out of the bar before everybody showed up. There you go. There was nobody to haul away in cuffs. Well, the other guy was all the way with much help. Milk toast take, if there ever was one. That's what, you know, Rob Dogg said to you. I know what? A lot of keyboard courage. A lot of keyboard courage. Let me just tell you something about my boy,

Tommy. He'd kick any one of your asses. Bring it on. He's not afraid. He's not afraid. All right. But the other part of the fight is, I think it did the opposite effect what people thought it would do to the capitals. I think they were almost like comatose after that. I mean, you know, I don't know if it's directly connected. But the feeling I think had most, the feeling sitting at home was one of disbelief, not necessarily of, wow, that was great. You know, I think a lot of people were just shocked in disbelief of what they saw. And I think the players were just a little bit unnerved.

And I think Carolina was definitely a little bit fired up. And here's another problem about this. Moving forward for game four, I see a lot of people saying, well, Carolina's not going to retaliate because they're worried about Tom Wilson. The last thing, the last thing the capitals need is to lose Wilson. is for them to egg on Tom Wilson to basically engage one of them in a fight, and then guess what, your boy is gone. They are hauling him away in handcuffs.

The next one for him is several games. So that can't happen. One of the reactions I had was that if you're a Carolina fan, or if you're a Carolina player, you just watch the guy that is a Hall of Famer that never fights, that scores all the goals, just knock somebody out. It really was shocking to watch. It's like, that's Ovechkin.

It would almost be like if Steph Curry knocks somebody out. Yes, it would. Although the two are different. Curry is much more of a finesse player, and Ovechkin is a powerful man. He's a linebacker out there. The guy that scores all the goals just knocks somebody out. It was just, it was interesting to think of it that way.

I think the bigger conversation about the game, last night. And you know I'm not a big time hockey guy, but I love watching these playoff games, and I've watched all three now. Is that I think for more of the action, Caroline, first of all, last night was the biggest one-sided

ass kicking I've ever seen the Caps take. I don't know if anybody compared it to any other. I think 2013 in a game, maybe against the Rangers. Oh, game seven. Might have been. When they got beat at home with just an absolute cowardly performance.

Yeah, I think that's the last performance that was this bad. They were outshot in the game, 45 to 18 to 18 to 1 in the second period, 30 to 8 over the final two periods. And I don't even think that reflected how much they were getting their assing. And it wasn't just the shooting. And for all of Ovechkin's fire and brimstone, you know, punching this guy out, Carolina out hit the caps, 52 to 34. At one point, it was 40 to 20. Yeah. At one point, it was 40 to 20.

Tommy, it was pure domination. You know, in terms of a casual hockey watcher, that's as much of a dominant performance as I've ever seen. The puck was rarely in the Carolina zone. I think Holpe had 40 saves. And he still gave up five goals. He did. You know, the chippiness started, you know, in game two a little bit,

but you saw it last night. I mean, after the Ovechkin, you know, Svetnikov situation, there was, it was a physical, cheap, chippy game the rest of the way. Niskin and took a hit at the end of the first period. Oh, that they missed. That they completely missed. They missed that. But the domination by Carolina, I think coming out of this game after all of the conversation about Ovechkin fighting is over, is that Carolina is down to one in the series. But to me, maybe I'm wrong, and you can certainly have at it with me on Twitter if you want.

It's just been my impression watching that Carolina has basically carried and won much of the action in the first three games, the majority of the action, and they look like the much faster team. Last night in particular, the caps looked slow. like they almost looked on me and I made this note to myself because this is something and I'm being halfway serious half, you know, tongue and cheek, this is the kind of thing that if you get into the sportsbook business, Ted, Ted the bookie, and you have your team with a sports book attached to your arena and you have your team play a game like that, there could be an investigation into a game like that. Really?

These are the kind of games that when they're that one-sided in a game that was a toss-up going in, you wonder whether or not the caps just said, ah, you know what, the boss took too much action on us tonight. He took too much action. He couldn't lay the action off. It's all caps action tonight. And Ted said, you know what, we're up to nothing. You know, it's okay if we lose one here. Oh my gosh. But seriously, though, the caps were dominated in this game. And I thought for portions of game one in game two, they were dominated, I think the big difference last night, correct me if I'm wrong, is the caps didn't get that first goal. And in the first two games, they got the first two goals. Yes. And they got the first two goals during periods of play

that weren't, you know, caps dominated. You know, in game one, they got that unexpected shot from Baxter that started it off after Carolina had dominated the first seven or eight minutes of the game. And Baxterm fires one unexpectedly it goes in. Then they got on the power play, and Baxter scored again, and it's two nothing. Last night, Carolina got on the board first, and it energized this young team at home, the crowd. They kept talking about the crowd. Joe B. and Lachland did about how... Alan May said it was the loudest arena that they played in. Yeah, they said it was out of control. Louder than Vegas last year in the finals. It's a Monday night, and they said that they were tailgating at 4 o'clock in the afternoon for a Monday night game. They hadn't had a home

playoff game since 2009. Right. But did you have the sense that I did? that the caps looked slow and that Carolina looked fast. They beat him to every puck. They had so many more opportunities. The puck possession in terms of zone time, I'd love to see that stat. It just seemed like the caps never had it in the offensive zone. No, you're right. You're right.

It seemed like they couldn't generate anything offensively. And, you know, this really speaks to Todd Reardon right now. I mean, Todd Reardon, in after- You're going to jump on him after three games? No, I'm just pointing. I'm just saying. Is it because of Barry Trots being up 3-0? I'm just saying who the pressure is on.

Todd Reardon spoke about after game one, how he loves the chance to make adjustments between games. He loves that part of the coaching job. Well, then we're going to see. But he's after game two, after they won, and when they were clearly dominated on the power play, their power play was not that effective in game two. It was very effective in game one.

Yes, but not in game two. And part of what we saw last night was creeping in in game two, this offensive dominance. Reardon said, we're going to have to make some adjustments. He said that after game two. So we're assuming. So he was a bit, I didn't, that was not my takeaway after game two. I think I mentioned Aaron. I mentioned Aaron yesterday.

I think the caps have been outplayed for a lot of these first two games, but they're up to nothing. And that's hockey. But you're saying that he recognized it after game two. He recognized that they would have, he said they were going to have to make some adjustments. Okay. And, and I mean, so the focus is on Reardon. If he says we need to make adjustments and then then the next thing you see is a performance like we saw last night. Right.

So they're going to have to make a lot more adjustments now for game four. So in that sense, that's what I mean. It's on Todd Reardon because he's, I mean, this is supposedly what he's good at, being a master strategist. Well, I just, I had the sense after last night's game. that game four is huge for the caps in this series, that if Carolina comes back and they win another one, and say they win it in dominant fashion,

I mean, hockey's crazy because it just changes game to game. Yes. But if they get dominated again and they lose, I mean, if they just lose, period, but especially if they get dominated like they did last night, that the series has turned and that Carolina becomes the favorite, regardless of whether or not the games or two of the final three would be in Washington. I'm guessing the Caps will win this series.

But again, we've been through this before watching these postseason series where you're sitting there and you're saying, man, you know, they don't look like the better team, but then they win the series. I'm not talking about the Caps. It happens in hockey. Always happens in hockey. But last night was a no-douder. Like there was nothing flukish or random about that. That was a in a sport where sometimes it's hard to really dominate. Or at least for people that are watching to see pure domination, that was it last night.

The Caps got their ass kicked. Really starting with the moment that fight ended, Novetschkin went to the penalty box for five minutes. For the rest of the game, they were dominated. I mean, completely pummeled. It's almost like they sleptwalk through the game. It was almost like they got the word that they needed to lose game three. Because the boss owns a sports book that took too much action. I wanted to bring something up that doesn't necessarily.

so we fit in with what we saw last night, but it's something I'm so amazed at. And I guess, you know, because I cover sports, I notice these things. And the people who out there listening and reading are much smarter than me and that they don't seem to pay attention to these things. You know, my takeaway about this Caps team after the first two games that I'm stunned at is how much how much the playoff failures were in their head were literally in their I mean is that a revelation oh no I oh absolutely I covered a lot of sports I've never seen a team verbalize yeah we thought we we we couldn't beat anybody we I've never heard a team do that they were begging for the crowd not to get down and and angst ridden and and and you know and they they

I've said this before. They felt what the crowd felt. They all felt the same thing. I've never seen a team like they have verbalized in this postseason so far. So why did last night bring it up? Well, no, it didn't bring it up. We haven't been on since I had a chance to talk about this. In the first two games, the whole message before the series started and in the first two games was how much

they learned about themselves from last year, about how to respond. Well, that tells me before last year, when they would be, when they would face it. a situation like this, series would be over. They'd be done. I mean, because in their own minds, they were defeated. I've never seen a team admit that as easily as the caps have. It is strange because all of their postseason failures, they went back so many years with so many groups of players and coaches and front office members, etc. But, you know, if you think back to last year, the game five, after they had evened up the series against Columbus 2-2, after dropping the first two. When they dropped the first two at home against Columbus, you're like, it's over.

Here they go again. Oh, yeah. You know, it's over. And then they won the two games in Columbus, and then they came home for game five. And they were completely outplayed in that game. I want to say that the shots on goal in the third period, because the game went to overtime. It was like 19 to 1. Remember Columbus just peppered, peppered Holtby in the third period. And they didn't get one through. And they went to, overtime and the caps got a backstrom goal, if I recall, to win the game in overtime. If Columbus had gotten one of those shots to go through, you know, they were peppering Holtby, the entire third period in a tie game, you know, in Washington in Game 5, a pivotal

game, if they had gotten one of those shots at whatever the score was tied, 2, 2, 3, 3, 4, whatever it was, to go through, caps may, that run may have ended right there. It may have ended right there because that was the game out of all of them. Last year in the postseason, that was the game that the crowd was, oh, God, here we go again. And the team you could see, they were stuck. The anxiety had taken over. They were stuck. They couldn't move.

And you mentioned, I don't know what year it was, the other bad beat, the bad beating was against us. The game seven against the Rangers. That was 2013. I remember they fell behind early in that game, and it was like, it was over. Over. Game 7 at home, and it looked like it was a cowardly performance. Like they couldn't summon up any fight whatsoever, and it was probably this psychological thing they had to overcome. But last year, that Columbus Game 5, if it goes the other way, they may not have had that run. Well, one of the things they keep talking about was what they learned last year.

And the way I put it was, not every disaster in the making has to be a disaster. In other words, not every blown lead means you're done. It all depends on your response. They've used the word response repeatedly in interviews. How will they respond after that game three? That's the key. Their response. I mean, they're up to one in the series, though.

So the, you know, the real angst-ridden part of previous series, They haven't gotten to that part. No, they haven't. Where the pressure is so, so thick that they feel it and the crowd feels it and the whole thing. I will say this though, Tommy, if it's two, two coming home in a game five and they fall behind one-nothing, they could start to have those feelings again. But I don't know, last year, the two wins against Tampa after Tampa had run off three wins in a row to take a three-two series lead, and they won that game five in Washington.

Or they won that game five, I'm sorry, in Tampa. those final two games, I think really was the, I guess most people would say it was beating Pittsburgh, you know, and getting that game six win in Pittsburgh in overtime to, you know, finally beat the penguins. And that was a huge weight lifted off their shoulders, right, beating Pittsburgh. But Tampa in the Eastern Conference finals, they were down three, two after Tampa had run three straight games. They had won three in a row after falling behind two nothing in the series. And the caps went, shut out, shut out. in that series.

They came up big. That was an even bigger spot than the Penguin series, because the Penguin series, they weren't within one game of elimination. They were against Tampa at home in game six, and they pulled it off. And then they went to Tampa and won game seven, and that's when the party outside of Capital One Arena started

and lasted for the next five games or six games, including game seven against Tampa. But anyway, I don't know. predicting these, I don't know how anybody bets play off hockey or hockey in general. It just seems like, look at the results. The only way I think I never bet hockey, I think the only way to bet it is just to bet the underdogs. Right, Aaron, just take the pluses and take the underdogs because the underdogs have a great chance to win in all of these games. Like, if you had had in the first three games, Columbus against Tampa three times, you'd be sitting nearly, it depends on your

wager size, you'd be in almost the same shape that the guy that bet his last $85,000 in Tiger Woods. But if you weren't going into the playoffs, wouldn't you have thought Tampa was a lock? Yeah, but that's what I'm saying about hockey. Like, it's never a lock. Yeah. Nothing is ever a lock. Yeah.

Like the Warriors over the Clippers should be a lock, but last night would have been great to have the Clippers plus 13. I almost played it. By the way, I didn't though. The hurricanes were favored yesterday. They were favored in game three? Yeah. Okay, so taking the dog, you would have taken the caps last night?

Yeah. Were they just, they had to be a slight favorite. It was my as 130. It wasn't a big favorite. But, I mean, you've already got in these playoffs, right? In the east, you've got, you've got the Islanders and Columbus. Was Pittsburgh a favorite? They probably weren't favorite against New York because New York had the, had home,

I think they had home ice advantage. Right, didn't the Islanders have home ice advantage against Pittsburgh? Nobody knows. God, this show is weak when it comes to hockey. I think the Islanders had home ice advantage and won the first two at home and then one game three in Pittsburgh on Sunday. Yes, that's exactly what happened. I just pulled it up. So you've got in the east, you've got two series.

You've got the Blue Jackets with a shocking three-nothing lead over the lightning. You've got Toronto now with a two-one lead. They won last night over Boston. They are the lower-seeded team. Pittsburgh, I don't know who was favored in that series. I would imagine that that was a toss-up regardless of home-ice advantage. But the Islanders are in, you know, massive control up 3-0. And I guess they could end that tonight.

Does Pittsburgh, yeah, tonight, Tampa, Columbus, Pittsburgh Islanders. Pittsburgh's favorite tonight at home. Tampa's favored on the road to avoid elimination, to avoid a sweep. Tampa is a minus 135 favorite tonight on the road at Columbus. Tommy's just sitting here looking like, are we going to talk? Do you ever bet hockey? I just, well, you're not paying attention today. I said, I never bet hockey.

but if I did, I think I would just play the underdogs. I would just more likely than not play the underdogs. Out west, I think you've got a bunch of lower-seated teams in control, too. The avalanche are up 2-1 over Calgary. They're the lower-seated team. Dallas is, no, the Preds won last night, so they're up 3-2. There you go. Sharks Golden Knights, you want to know how that series is going?

You know what? Golden Knights, Vegas is up to 1. A 14-year-old kid who just stole his dad's car. I did that a few times. Vegas. He doesn't know where he's driving, but he's driving. Vegas is up to one in that series. They were the lower-seated team.

And St. Louis is up to one in their series, and they were the lower-seated team. So right now in hockey, one, two, three, four, five of the eight series, the lower-seated teams are winning the series. That's hockey. Yeah. Like who that hell knows what's going to happen? I mean, I would not bet on the, I mean, would you bet against the lightning winning four in a row? No. They could certainly do it. Of course they did. We've seen teams get swept all the time. Yeah, but not from down three nothing. That would be one of the biggest stunners. I mean,

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I just had the TV on in the background as they were building. I just had it on. I wasn't watching anything else. I was, I think I was watching some YouTube videos of, I was watching a couple of YouTube videos of some Game of Thrones follow-up. What a shock that is. So anyway, so I'm sitting there and the TV's on and Golden States, you know, up 30.

They're actually up 31 with seven and a half minutes to go in the third quarter. And by the way, Steph Curry had put on a show. You know, he had 20 plus. I bet you shot the ball, didn't he? He shot it, Tommy. Okay. Shot a lot. He was five for 11 from behind the arc and finished with 29 points.

He's pretty good at shooting the ball. He's a good player. And then all of a sudden, like the Clippers, who I mentioned yesterday on the podcast briefly, I think I mentioned this at the end when we were talking about the NBA playoffs. I said to Aaron, he won't remember because he was just waiting for us to get to the Game of Thrones recap. Of course. I said, man, the clemen.

Clippers, they try hard. Like Patrick Beverly is just, he tries so hard. And then Montrez-Herald from Louisville, all right? I remember, I didn't have any idea whether or not this guy would be a great player or not. He ended up going in the second round in the 2015 draft. He tries even harder than Beverly does. And he's a monster, by the way, and he doesn't even start. He comes off the bench. And then the clippers have Lou Williams, who is, as Barclay and Kenny Smith and Shaq on the TNT, you know, pre-game, post-game halftime show, they like to refer to various guys as professional scorers. Lou Williams is a professional scorer. He just knows how to score. If you say, Lou, I need 35 off the bench tonight, he'll go get you 35.

Lou, I need 18 tonight, and I need you to facilitate, that's fine too. But he's a professional score. He had 36 off the bench and 11 assists. I think he's the first player ever to come off the bench and have 30 plus and double-digit assists in a game. He was unstoppable down the stretch. But in watching this, I know the NBA playoffs right now for a lot of you are really like, I've heard this from many of you. I'm not into the NBA playoffs this year. For a lot of us who are Wizards fans, I understand like there's been some reason to be excited about the NBA post-season.

for the last four or five years. And now, and you've got a lot of teams in it. You know, the nets and the and the bucks and the clippers and, you know, like teams that are good that nobody knows about. Like Utah and Denver are good, but there's no LeBron and there's no buzz for the NBA playoffs. That's the way I feel. I don't know if you feel the same way.

No, I agree 100%. I mean, this is a bigger picture argument, but I think as much as we celebrate how the NBA is popular among young people, I think it's becoming as my co-teacher at Georgetown, Marty Conway has referred to it, the millennial basketball league, not the NBA, but the MBL. I mean, with all the LeBron drama,

with the Anthony Davis drama, the MBL, you know, and as a product, as a basketball product, it stinks. Well, that's... No, it stinks. No, no, no. Some of the... Some of what happens on a basketball court now is amazing to watch.

But I am actually a little bit with you, and I don't know if I would refer to it as a millennial issue. I will say this, there is way too much stuff beyond basketball. You and I have said this so many times when we've talked about various things that have nothing to do with games. We love the games more than the names, you know? And the games are the best. And last night, you know, it was for a moment here in this NBA season. You were able to put aside all of the extracurricular. And watch a team.

By the way, Doc Rivers, he has some of the biggest, he has coached some of the biggest comebacks in NBA playoff history. And now he's got the single biggest comeback in NBA playoff history, which was last night down 31 in the second half and he came back to win. And so there's something there with him where he's able to create some, he's able to create something in his players and say, don't give up. He leaves bags of money around the locker room. He might do that.

I know he does. He did that once. He did that. He did do that once. But you also have to have a couple of players with that mentality of fuck it. I don't give a shit what the score is. I'm going down swinging. And that's Beverly.

That's Mantra's Herald. That's Lou Williams to a certain degree, even though he's more of an offense. defensive guy. And they're dive, I mean, down 25, they're diving for loose balls. Beverly Still, have you seen him guard Durant? Oh, I've seen the video. It's hilarious. So we talked about this before the show.

I mean, how many times have you played against guys like that? They're the worst. In the gym or something like that. Guys who just are such pests and such high-energy pests. For anybody that has played basketball at any level,

and for those guys out there that are listening, still playing pickup games. What's worse than when you see the Patrick Beverly type, and there's one in almost every game, and all of a sudden he's walking towards you because he's going to guard you, and you're like, oh, shit, I don't want this guy checking me. You want the guy that is only interested in offense, you know, guarding you. And Beverly has, he's in Durant's head. Oh, yeah.

Durant fouled out late in regulation. but on the comeback itself. So I'm sitting here watching and I'm starting to pay attention as they get it inside, you know, 15 and it's like, you know, they're not going to win the game. I mean, there was never a moment, Tommy, until the very end that I actually thought they would complete the comeback. But, you know, there's like six minutes left in the game and they're still down 14. You know, they cut it from 31 to 14, but you don't have any sense that they're going to win. It was a slow chip away at the thing.

By the way, Steve Kerr afterwards, I thought, took weight, basically didn't give the Clippers enough credit. He basically said, we stopped playing, and he emphasized it over and over. It was about us. Yeah. I didn't, you know, I saw that to a certain extent, but what I also saw is something that cannot be denied. In Barclay and Smith, they were all talking about it in the postgame, is this team has

a couple of characters on it that just refused to die. They just have that mentality. And so that's what I noticed as they were chipping away. And then you throw in Lou Williams, who was uncheckable. And all of a sudden it's like six with four minutes to go. And you're like, wow, that's amazing that they got. But still, no sense that Golden State wouldn't amp it up and win the game. And I thought there were a couple of bad calls that went against the clippers down the stretch.

And then when Durant fouled out, it was down now to the final few. minutes and Curry hits a huge three with about a minute to go to give them a three point lead after the clippers had come all the way back to tie it up at 128, 126, 126, 1, 26, something like that. Curry hits a three and I'm like, okay, that's going to be it. But back on the other end, Lou Williams gets to a spot, hits a mid-range jumper, it's down to one. And then you could see without Durant on the floor, and Steve Kerr, I think, did a poor job of coaching him down the stretch.

There was no structure. They took bad shots. Clay Thompson missed a 30-foot-3. Now, he wasn't guarded. Like, they messed up defensively, and he took a three that, you know, probably for Golden State's not a bad shot, but still, nobody drove it to the rim. And then this guy, Shamet knocks down a three off of, you know, Lou Williams got doubled, and they went to Alexander. He drives, kicks it.

They're up two. And still even then, with whatever it was, 15 seconds left, I'm thinking, that Golden State's going to come down and Curry's going to hit a big shot. And Curry forced up a three, missed it. And Steve Balmer, by the way, the owner or the Clippers, you know, the co-Microsoft founder, oh God, he's annoying. Every cutaway was to Balmer. Like he does this thing, he gets so excited and he kicks his legs up in the air as he's sitting

on this chair. He was really annoying to watch. But it was a shocker. When they got that rebound and Harold goes to the other end and he knocks down both free throws and they're up four, it's like, oh, my. God, this just happened. They were down 31 in the second half of a game. Now, no other sport really offers the opportunity for that kind of comeback like the NBA does. No, that's why everybody says the only thing you have to watch is the last two minutes. Well, in this case, you missed a lot

leading up to the final two minutes. It was really, there's no way Golden State's going to lose the series, but if you stayed up and you watched that last night and you were sort of lukewarm about the NBA playoffs. Well, you just got a series to follow. Like, you want to see game three in L.A. now. That sounds like I would. Yeah. They're on late, though, through these West Coast games. They're on late. But that was really exciting. Meantime, just to mention this, because I really didn't watch this, because the Caps game was on. I was watching the Caps game. But do you know that the Sixers last night, up one at halftime, scored 51 points in the third quarter? Did they really? They outscored Brooklyn 51 to 23 in the third quarter and won 145 to 123.

Yeah, I saw at one point the score was 139 to something. Incredible. I guess they put their cell phones away for that game. You know what? I had that to talk about it yesterday, but I'm glad you brought it up. Well, we don't need to talk about now because I got something to talk to you about. Okay. It has nothing to do with the NBA.

Okay, fine. Okay? Yep. And you know what? If I'm going over ground you went over, please forgive me. Are we doing Ruben Foster now? No. Okay.

No. Okay. Did you read the sport in Sports Illustrated what Scott McLuhan said about Kyler Murray? I just know what he said about Kyler Murray with John Kine, that he's the only quarterback on the board that he would take in the first round. This is what he told Sports Illustrated. To be a legit NFL quarterback, you've got to have leadership qualities.

Watching Kyle are doing an interview, it's like, come on, man, what do you got? give me something i'm sure they're trying to train him up but he's just not a go-getter doesn't mean he can't be a good quarterback just means he's not going to be the guy in the locker room i'd get face to face so i could say listen if i'm investing a first round pick on you you need to look me in the eye and tell me your football through and through no matter what i got to know that you can go play baseball, that's your choice. But what you choose to do affects my career, my coach's career,

and their families. I got to understand that you have the passion. The players need to know it. They can read your bullshit real quickly. Coaches, too. He's got to prove this is what he wants to be. Interesting. Very provocative.

Well, and by the way, well said. Yes. Because that is, that's the difference. Are these teams that can see the psychological makeup of the player and what the player is. Is he a phony or is he real? I mean, all these NFL guys can watch the tape and come to similar conclusions. But especially at that position, you got to be sure about the character and the want to. And when he did Kimes' podcast, and I played some of that, right? We played some of what McClellan said about, you know, he did not mention Kyler Murray by name,

but he, I'm going to mess this up because I don't remember it exactly. So I'll paraphrase. John asked him about the quarterbacks. And because Scott McLuhan's selling information, he's not giving out all of the information. And according to the SI story, according to the SI story, he was very instrumental in the drafting of Baker Mayfield in Cleveland. Well, he was a part of their draft.

Cleveland, I think, is still using McLuhan. Yes. But McLuhan said there's only one quarterback in the first round worth taking. and he had already said that he wasn't, you know, he had already picked apart some of the other quarterback. So the assumption was that he was talking about Kyler Murray. But that would indicate that he wouldn't take Tyler Murray. He's got some big issues. Yeah. Well, you know, the rumors over the weekend, you know, and this is going to happen between now and next Thursday night, you're going to see so many stories out there and some of them are going to be

real and some of them are going to be pushed narratives by teams trying to head fake people. but much of the discussion about Murray is maybe now he's not going to go to Arizona, number one overall, that there are a lot of concerns about Kyler Murray. But again, I think when they picked Cliff Kingsbury, this is what they had in mind. But maybe they'll all come to the conclusion. Yes, that's why we hired you, and this was the plan, but he's too much of a risk. And in the meantime, Tommy, you're hearing things from Josh Rosen's current teammates about Rosen that are very positive. Yes.

Very positive about him. Yeah. Now, if you're the Cardinals, okay, let me ask you this, because you probably know this much more than I would. What are the chances that Dan Snyder is working as diligently as he can to try to come up with some kind of trade package to get that number one pick to draft Kyle or Murray?

It's not 0%. Okay. It's not 0%. I guarantee you that that conversation, has taken place, and I do know for a fact that the Redskins have asked Arizona about Josh Rosen. But I was under the impression that part of that is because they were told the number one pick is not available. We're going to use that number one pick. Because if Josh Rosen is as good as everybody says he is, maybe not as good as Kyle Lemurray,

but people have pretty much conceded that if he was coming out in this draft, he'd be the next quarterback taken after Kyle Murray. If he's that good and you're a new coach in Arizona and you have a chance to get two number ones in the next two years and two number twos in the next two years to build your team, why wouldn't you do? Why wouldn't you keep the quarterback that's good and get those draft picks?

I agree with you. You also could be looking at the top of the draft at two potential, game-changing, game-im impacting for 10 years defensive players. Yes. And I'm talking about pass rushers in particular in Bosa. You know, and Quinn and Williams could be a dominant defensive lineman. So, you know, they could be looking at those guys too. By the way, one quick thing, because I don't want to lose this thought.

I think that you, I mean, you said this more recently. We've talked about this for years. I have a weird feeling that Rosen has said to somebody, not the Redskins. I just have a weird. That's what I wrote. I wrote last week. I said, you go back and you look at the stuff that he's talked about in his interviews. And if he's your quarterback in a place like Washington, D.C., the biggest stage for politics and causes,

he's going to have something to say about a lot of things. I also think because of that, the redskins are going to potentially make it appear as if they were never really interested. I just, I don't know anything. It's just a gut feel. One conversation very recently, and it was an offhanded conversation that sort of led me to believe that the redskins have decided, you know what, it's probably not going to work out so we're not interested in Rosen. I think that's entirely possible. So I am now here on Tuesday, April 16th. I am leaning towards a Josh Rosen deal not happening, not happening.

The reasons why are all speculation. But what Tommy wrote and what we've talked about here and what Tommy's talked about with Andy and everywhere else and Chad, I wouldn't shock me if one day it comes out that Rosen, you know, the Redskins had inquired about Rosen with Arizona. And Rosen said, And Rosen doesn't have a choice in the matter, but Rosen maybe said, you know what? Not playing for them.

You know, you don't want a quarterback on your team who in his first interview before the press is going to say, you know, I think the name is racist. But I don't have a choice. I have to play for them. You don't want that. No, you don't want that. You don't want that. And as we've talked about before, it's either happened already, and we don't know about it, with some player, not Rosen specifically, but with somebody. And if it hasn't, more likely than not, it might happen down the road.

At the same time, and I know this is going to anger some of you, but I think, you know, there's been, this is really this whole issue in all of the name changers out there. It's been really pushed to the back. You know, and I'm not saying that the post poll in 2016 ended the debate. The problem was is that the name changers didn't want to debate in the first place. They just wanted to shove it down everybody's throat and say, this is the way Native Americans feel, take it or leave it, this is the way they feel, it's a racist term, they believe it's racist, and they're all hurt by it.

And they didn't want to acknowledge some of the data out there that suggested that that wasn't the case. But anyway, I did, we had other things on the, the Murray thing's interesting. This whole draft is, all of these drafts now year and year out, it's very interesting. Russell Wilson signed the big contract extension late last night. I'm surprised that Seattle caved, but I also thought when it got done, and did you see the Instagram post him and his wife? Yeah. At 3.44 a.m.

People who cover him say he's one strange dude. He's also a winner. But he is. He is a winner. And when I, I was surprised that Seattle caved because part of me was thinking that Seattle's going to prepare for the draft. John Schneider's preparing for the draft and they'll get around to it in July. and this was just a false demand, a false, you know, ultimatum. I mean, if they went to him in July with the biggest deal in the history of NFL football,

was he going to turn it down in July? But anyway, they got the deal done last night. It turns out to be $35 million per year. Biggest contract, you know, an annual average for an NFL player ever. But my one thought about Russell Wilson, and Kooley and I had this debate a lot, because he was not a big Russell Wilson fanist in terms of a pocket passer. He said he was very limited as a pocket passer. But one thing he never debated, and this is why you sign and you keep Russell Wilson,

he's a winner. He's the X factor in every game. He bails them out of more difficult situations than any player can at that position, and he does it in a way that very few players can do it. He's a magician in escaping and creating and extending and making big plays. And by the way, a lot of those big plays for him happen in the fourth quarter with the game on the line. Yes, they do. In big games. I'm with you. So I, if Russell Wilson were my team's quarterback, I would never, ever want them to let him go.

And in terms of the trade discussions that were going on, I'm sorry, the stories about potential trades involving Russell Wilson, my God, can you imagine what you'd have to give up to get Russell Wilson? If you were the Giants? Yeah. It would have been both firsts, next year's, you know, this year's second, next year's first, whatever it was, it would have been so expensive, and then you would have had to pay him. He's perfect for that team. He's perfect for that coach. I know that maybe they wanted to live in L.A. or New York, whatever.

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All right. I spent 10, 15 minutes yesterday talking about Ruben Fawkes. and the fact that he was not suspended. He was fined two game checks, but he was not suspended. It was a surprise to me. I really expected that he was going to get a couple of games at the very least. But you and I were both harshly critical of the Redskins signing him. We never presumed Gilder Innocence.

We talked much more about how the Redskins handled it than the actual claiming off waivers itself. But I want to give you a chance here to respond, because you did write a typical entertaining column about it. Well, first of all, there was one guy who listened to the show who said he couldn't wait until I came on the podcast to talk about Ruev and Foster, so you would basically set me straight. And tell me if I forget this, we both had the same opinion about Ruev and Fars. So we said it didn't have anything to do with whether he did this or not.

Right. It had nothing to do with it as guilt or innocent. That's right. It was the Redskins were not the team that could take this chance. Hold on for a second. If somebody thought that somehow I was going to set Tommy straight on this, no, we essentially had the same view yesterday on the podcast. What I did is, and I did it on Twitter on Friday,

I acknowledged that in the moment, and I believe that this is very difficult to debate, maybe we will debate this, but in the moment, the news that Ruben Foster wasn't suspended, by the way, following on the news, news that the charges were dropped was good news for the Redskins and it made them look right in the moment. It doesn't mean they're going to be long-term right. And it doesn't mean that they handled it correctly in the moment back in November of 2018. But I guarantee you that Bruce Allen and Dan Snyder, this was an exhilarating moment for that.

I agree with that. Okay. I agree with that. I mean, and for their, for the core fan base, I'm sure they were elated. This was great news if you were, if you're a Redskins fan and you're part of that, you know, part of the core group that roots for this team. Yes, there's no denying is they took a football chance on a football player and it seems to, in the moment, like you said, it seems to have worked. So yeah, I mean, the Redskins looked right in that sense. Okay, so you, I wasn't sure you were going to agree with that.

I don't see how you can criticize that. You can't criticize that. What are you going to say? I mean, I don't know how you can criticize that. There's no way you can debate that the perception in the moment on Friday when he wasn't suspended was, man, the redskins were right. Yes, of course. You would have to come to that conclusion. Now, that said, my point in my column on Monday was, well, if this guy didn't sexually assault this woman at least once, you know, maybe two,

twice. If he didn't do any, if he didn't do that, if he was cleared of the charges and the NFL didn't see anything at all to even warrant a suspension, why do they have him on basically lockdown? Why do they have this guy? Why did they feel the need to put out this personal redemption plan, which basically says, we're going to watch this guy's every move. And he's got, I mean, is he going to have a babysitter? I'm not sure. I think, I mean, I inferred from what I read that he may even have a babysitter like Elijah Dukes had.

But anyway, the fact that they put together this remarkable behavior plan for Ruben Foster made me say, why? What's everyone afraid of? If he didn't do this stuff, what's the point? I'd be worried about Montaigne Nicholson. Then I'd be worried about Ruben Foster. You know, he's going around beating people up at one loud, and I'd be more worried about him than Rubin Foster.

So remember the courtroom scene in a few good men with, you know, Lieutenant Daniel Caffey, Tom Cruise, and Colonel Nathan Jessup, Jack Nicholson, and Kathy's going through that whole process of basically trapping Jessup into the, and I'm not remembering exactly the quote, but I think everybody will remember the scene when he essentially says, He basically says your men always follow orders. He says if, you know, if Hernandez, whatever the guy's name was, who was killed.

If you gave an order not to harm this guy and your men always follow orders. Then why did he need to leave the base? Yes. Why did he have to be? Exactly. Why was he in grave danger? Yes. Grave danger?

You want me to go back and read your quote? So that's essentially what you're saying is like, you know, if there's no problem, then why do they feel the need to be? protect him so much. Well, because there is a problem. It's the reason that the 31 other teams wouldn't touch him when he became available off waivers. You know, this was not a player without extraordinary talent. This is a guy that if you watched him at Alabama, you're like, this dude's going to be a baller in the NFL, and he was supposed to be a mid-first round pick, but all of the troubles dropped him to the end to the 49ers who traded back up right into the first round. I forget how that exactly worked in that draft in the 2017 draft to pick him.

But you're reaching there. Of course they need some structure for this guy. And by the way, and I said this at the time in November when we had this conversation, who knows, maybe coming here and being with the people that he was with in college, you know, especially positionally, Sean Dionne Hamilton, Ryan Anderson, but also Payne and John Allen and having a leader kind of a guy in John Allen, maybe it'll ultimately be the best thing for him. It worked good in Alabama, didn't it?

Believe it or not. It worked great at Alabama. Maybe this is the one situation we're coming here isn't a bad thing. Okay, let me just point out something like I did in the column. They can't even run an NFL franchise over at Ashburn. I understand that. Why do you think they'll be able to run a halfway house for this guy? Because maybe they're not the ones running the halfway house in this particular situation.

Oh, they're running everything. Well, any, listen, I know for a personal fact. anybody who has any responsibility contracted or otherwise with the Redskins doesn't sneeze without Bruce Allen. I don't know how, let me, I'll answer it this way. If I'm the Redskins and I'm in charge of the draft here in 2019 and I'm in charge of this draft, I'm not going to turn down a great inside linebacker in this draft because I've got Ruben Foster on my roster. because it's 50-50 at best that it's going to work out moving forward. This is someone who's clearly had some issues and is going to have some,

could potentially, I hope it doesn't happen. I hope this second chance that the Redskins have given him, because I'm rooting for, the human, the empathetic part of me is rooting for this guy to succeed. By the way, he could end up being a terrific player. But if I'm in charge of the draft, you know, next week, and there's a great inside linebacker, three-four inside linebacker that's up on the board in round two or round three, and he's the highest rated player on my board. I'm not turning him down because I've got Ruben Foster, and I'm confident that Rubin Foster is going to succeed.

This is the first step. Clearly, Tommy, what happened in Tampa, I don't know if the Redskins knew all the details. I think they knew enough to roll the dice, and they knew enough probably because they had some access through their existing players, Anderson and Sean Dionne Hamilton in particular, the two players that played the same position that Ruben Foster did at Alabama, and they had some information that said, this chick's nuts, this isn't true, he didn't do anything in Tampa, nothing's going to come of this, and Bruce Allen said, what the hell, let's roll the dice. Because we know that they didn't call Northern California. Right. You know that. You did the investigation on that. The only thing that I still have a problem with

is what I have a problem with when it comes to this organization on a lot of fronts. You know, they just don't handle these things well. You know, in that moment in November, and I said this to you, it would have been much better had Bruce Allen stepped, because it wasn't going to be Snyder, step to the microphone, not push dugout on Doc Show, where he messed up and then had to apologize, and the whole thing just was unseemly the way it was handled.

Bruce Allen comes out and says, look, guys, you're going to rip me for whatever I do, and we don't give a shit about that anymore. we signed Ruben Foster because we loved him coming out of the draft and we think he can help us win, period. If these charges stand and he is found guilty, he'll never play for us again. We do not condone domestic violence. And then they could list all of the charitable events and all the different things they've done for domestic violence with Tanya Snyder and all the different things. He could list all those things.

But come back to owning it, own it and say, we did it because we think he can help us win. and if we don't win and we don't start to win soon, none of what we do is going to matter. We have to get good players. I wish they would own those things. Like they never get it right from a PR standpoint. Never. They never do. And I might want to remind, look, part of the reason I wrote the column was the reaction to the

dancing in the street about Ruben Foster, you know, not being suspended, was sort of like, You see, he didn't do anything wrong. No, well, that's stupid. I know. Well, that was the point of the column. And I don't think there was dancing in the street. You may have heard that from your column, but I think there are a lot of people that still think that, you know,

they can go back to the moment in late November and say this was still not a risk worth taking. Right. But there were a lot of people, though, who said everyone needs to apologize for how. Absolutely. And those people were out there too. But again, apologize for what? apologize for assuming his guilt? No, I didn't do that.

Neither did I. You didn't do that. No. So it was more about in the moment, is this the franchise that should be rolling the dice on this player? I said no. And then the way they handled it, I thought once again was clumsy. They do everything from a PR standpoint in a clumsy way. They were right about McLuhan.

They were right. They were proven right about McLuhan with his wrongful. termination suit, but the way they handled it was low rent. And I thought the way they handled the Ruben Foster thing. It's time for them, it's time for when we have these situations in this organization for Dan or Bruce to step to the microphone, man to men, or man to men and women, all right, and present it in a straightforward way and own it and stop standing behind cowardly, behind Doug Williams, and then blaming Doug for messing up the message. They're not capable of that. They're not, they're not particularly capable of that. But they look good on

Ruben Foster right now. Yes, they do. Yeah. All right. Did you want to weigh in on Tiger? Well, you know, what's interesting is, you know, I only tweeted one thing after Tiger Woods won on Sunday. And I thought it was, you know, a little bit appropriate. Considering the way everyone was squirting about Tiger on, on social media, I thought it required a little bit of balance. So I found a picture of a Perkins state pancake house. And I tweeted a picture of Perkins and I said, let's celebrate. Yeah. What was the follow up to that? Because you told me you were going to do that. Well, that's what I did. Yeah. So I did that. What was the reaction to that? Oh, oh my God. Here's, let me, you know, I'm going to read a real personal reaction to you from your

good buddy, Joe Yashiroff. Okay. Okay. Joe says, we know you don't like golf or tiger, but this is not cool, Tom. You can't appreciate one of the great accomplishments in sports history without taking a cheap shot. Wow. This

was why I did this. Because, yeah, I mean, Tiger Woods, I got a new nickname for him. Fairway Jesus. Because that's what he became on Sunday. He became a god. Yeah. Well, I mean, some people thought he was sort of, before

But you know, this just, sorry, but this goes to the reaction from Joe, Joe's one of my good friends, and I love Joe a lot. But I can't stand the people in this politically correct society we live in now. A lot of the millennials. I mean, would you ever, I mean, you teach a college class. I can only imagine some of the political discussions you've had with some of your students. I'm sure you're in alignment with all of them on everything. But have a sense of humor. Come on.

This is not mean-spirited that Tommy, this is trying to be funny, and it was kind of funny. It's not that serious, really. But I mean, I'm reading all of the reactions. I mean, really was. Although the best reaction is, hey, I hear the waitresses are hot. And, well, there's something else there that was rather vulgar. But anyway. But now, all that said, you and I talked about a little bit of this on the phone.

Listen, I think all bets are off now on Tiger. I think he's capable of anything at this point. I mean, if he can play golf like this and can physically stay healthy, I mean, I think, I think, you know, everything I had said before to you, and you were right, because I had declared. I was waiting for this. Well, I had declared that Tiger would never win another major. This is another thing.

It only took another bet that we've had. We didn't have a bet. We didn't have a bet. Oh, we did have a bet. No, we didn't have a bet. We didn't? No. You just declared it, and I called you an idiot for doing it.

And it only took you 11 years to be proven right. Well, it wasn't 11. Well, yeah, it was 11. I mean, from the time that all the shit went down with him and his wife and all of the adultery, Tommy said he'll never win again. I never win another major again, I said. And I think he was wrong. I think he's, I was wrong. You were right.

And I think he's capable of winning more majors. I want to recommend. and this is only going to be for a few, but for those that are interested in the back surgery that he had, the fusion that allowed for him to live a normal life and ultimately, you know, play golf again, read Adam Kilgore's story in the post. I read it early this morning, and he goes through the,

I mean, for me, it's fascinating because I've had the experience of two lower back surgeries. And I told the story yesterday, Tommy, about my conversation with Tiger Woods years ago. It's a remarkable conversation given what Tiger Woods accomplished. I mean, it's the most connected conversation that I think I've heard about, about this guy. Really? Yes, it is. I think it's, I mean, I think it's the story. I mean, there's no, there's no, nobody can relate to what Tiger Woods had to go through more than you did.

Well, that's ridiculous. No, but those of us that have had L5s1 surgeries, dyskeptomies, because of herniated discs, anybody that had that kind of pain and then had that surgery can relate. But you can't relate to what he's gone through after a fusion. And then look at it and getting, he's a professional athlete. But Kevin, Kevin, you're giving me too much credit. Kevin, Kevin. He's a golfer. I know.

Well, no, he's an athlete. He's a golfer. No, he's an athlete. He's a golfer. But read Adam Kilgour's story. And the story that Tommy is referring to, if you didn't hear it on the podcast yesterday, I told the story at about the five minute mark, six minute mark. But I had a conversation before an interview with Tiger Woods at Congressional three years ago as part of the Kooley and Kevin show.

Before the interview started, we recorded it for the next day's show. And it started with him looking at a chair that he couldn't sit in because of his back pain. I went and got him a more comfortable chair. And it started a 15, 20 minute conversation about our respective back surgeries in which he told me the next surgery will be a fusion. and he was trying to avoid it because the fused back surgery was supposed to end, more likely than not, the real competitive ability that he would have at a professional level in golf. And Adam Kilgore writes about that. He did a great job in researching it, so I recommend that as a read.

The other thing in follow-up to the Tiger Woods win at the Masters was, did you see Nike stock? It's skyrocketed yesterday on Tigers win. There's a lot of business impact. Man, I mean, he really is Tommy the biggest needle mover in all of sports. We don't have one like him. You could say LeBron, but it really isn't. I mean, we may see these NBA playoffs without LeBron in them

be what Gulf's majors were without Tiger in them. We could see a comparison there made. but nobody, I felt watching it, and I said this yesterday morning, that I felt like the whole world seemed to be watching it. Okay, but Kevin, again, he's the biggest needle mover in the impact he has on golf. Okay, we are still talking about golf as compared to other. It's not the NFL, you're right. So, I mean, the biggest, but I'll tell you what, the golf without Tiger compared to golf with Tiger?

Where it peaked at a 12.1 rating in early afternoon numbers, the only thing it wasn't on Sunday was the NFL. Okay. The only thing it wasn't on Sunday was the NFL. So when you say biggest needle mover within the sphere of what he does. You can't say just golf because from a television rating standpoint, where that thing peaked because it was a morning broadcast, and by the way, what it would have been and what it will be at Pebble Beach,

If he is in contention in prime time at Pebble Beach in June, we'll see numbers that blow away everything but the NFL. What it did Sunday was it was right there with the NBA, you know, blows away a lot of the other niche sports, you know, like hockey and soccer and the others that are niche television sports. With Tiger. With Tiger, that's what it does. Right, that's what I'm saying. Yes. Nobody moves.

There's not a bigger difference with Tiger versus no Tiger in any other individual in all of sports. Well, you know what? I don't know if that's true. What's the comparable? Well, again, a soccer player? No, because you're comparing television ratings. Let's compare revenue. I would argue that Floyd Mayweather was a far bigger single impact athlete than Tiger Woods.

Connor McGregor, a far bigger single impact athlete. On the pay-per-view numbers? Yes. And then Tiger Woods. If Tiger Woods was in a pay-per-view major... No, no, no. That was not a championship fight. It was a made-up for TV thing.

It was a one-on-one thing, him and Phil. It's apples and oranges. You understand that, right? The apples-to-apples would be to put the masters on pay-per-view. Right. With Tiger in the lead. Right. Yeah.

I think it would crush what Mayweather and McGregor have done. Really? Definitely. I had $100 million a pop? Well, when you say $100 million... I mean $100 a pop? Yeah, well, isn't it, I thought it was $54.99. No, it was $100.

Which one? The McGregor fight? The McGregor... Both of them were $100. The McGregor Mayweather thing was $100? Yes. Okay, the last thing I paid for, I thought I paid $54.99. Kevin, they're $90 and $100 now for a major, major fight.

Not the... Maybe you're right. It's somebody... Aaron, look up the last price point on pay-per-view for a big Mayweather fight. Mayweather-McRegger's super fight was $895 plus $10 more for high definition. $89.99. $19. Okay.

Plus $10 more for high definition. So that one was, I paid it. I watched it. So I paid $99 for that fight? There you go. Jesus God. You fool. But would $2 million, what was the pay-per-view numbers on that fight?

I don't know. I mean, the record numbers are in the $2 million range, right? Am I right? Two to $3 million range for buys? Wasn't Mayweather Pachial like the biggest? one ever. I think so. Mayweather McGregor was, the Mayweather Pack, yeah, was 4.6 million.

4.6 million. And Mayweather McGregor was 4.6 million. So would 4.6 million golf fans that would pay 99 bucks to watch Tiger in the lead on the final round of the Masters? No. I don't know the answer to that. I have no idea. Although you would think that you know, golf tends to appeal to a more affluent audience. You mean elitist audience? No, it's not elitist. It's a more affluent.

And demographically, when it comes to, you know, average income, I would bet that the golf, the typical golf fan is, has a higher average income. The word is elitist. No, it's not. That's your word for it. I think, I don't know. How many millions of people watch the final round? I know what the TV numbers were.

What did that equate to in millions of people? watching. And again... It didn't cost them a dime to watch it. I know. What I'm going to do is I'm going to take that number and come up with what I think, you know, is a reasonable percentage of those people that would have paid. That will, that will fit your narrative. Yes. Well, it might. It might fit my narrative, but if it doesn't, I will tell you that it doesn't. How many millions watched the final round? Let's... I'm getting the numbers and the share, and it peaked with a 12.1.28 rating. Whatever. We can't find the information. I can't believe that information is not available, but what I would say,

let me, Kevin will find it. Let me fit, let me just fit the error. Let's just say it's 12 million that watched, you know, at the peak, and 20%, 30% of those people would pay. So, you know, we would be at somewhere around 3.6 million, so maybe it wouldn't equate that. I can't imagine that they'd have a bigger than sort of a 30% free versus pay conversion thing. So maybe not. You might be right. Whatever. You know what? Who cares? If Tiger were in the final round at the Masters and it was on pay for view, a lot of people would pay for it. I don't know the number, but a lot of people would pay for it. I don't even know where this conversation started.

Well, you said he was the biggest needle mover. I think he is. And I said it depends how you measure it. I guess that's true. Maybe even by, you know, television ratings, maybe if Mayweather were on regular TV. Maybe Mayweather Pachial hour on regular TV. Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't have missed it. I know that. What else did we have today? That's it, boss. No, I got what, we get two other things, okay?

We'll save the conversation, three other things, because we're going to bring David Kotler in here from Mama Lucia's. He's the guy that feeds Alex Ovechkin during the postseason. But I wanted to mention two quick things. One, Anthony Cowan and Bruno Fernando, both. signed with an agent and entered into the NBA draft, just so everybody knows the new rules are you can sign with an agent and change your mind and come back. Anthony Cowan is not going to the NBA.

He wouldn't get picked in this draft. Now, there's always the possibility with these guys that get to a certain age, and it's like, I'm done with school. I just want to start earning an income, even if I have to play internationally. And maybe Cowan's in that boat. I haven't heard that he is in that, particular situation. So I would be surprised if that's the case. The Bruno Fernando thing,

I'll tell you what, more mock drafts are coming out and he's barely a first rounder. I read Fall in the second round. Well, the ESPN guy, Giovanni, or whatever his last name is, had him at the 34th overall pick, which is the fourth pick in the second round of the draft. How bizarre is it when you're rooting for a kid not to do well? I know. That's what you're doing, really. Yeah, you do to a certain way. I mean, because how much better it would be for Maryland if Bruno came back next year.

All right. The other thing that I wanted to get to is that 20 years ago, actually tomorrow, 20 years ago tomorrow, was, tomorrow will be the anniversary of the trade, the Ricky Williams trade, between the Redskins and the Saints. One of the real fleecings of all time, you know, by the way, pulled off by choice, Charlie Casserly. Yes. Charlie Casserly, you know, basically got all six of the New Orleans Saints' 1999 draft choices. Plus, they got their first round and third round picks the following year in 2000.

Eight overall draft choices to move up seven spots to the Redskins number five spot in the 1999 draft to select Ricky Williams. That's remarkable. So Peter King wrote about it on Monday morning quarterback yesterday. and there were some quotes about it. Like Norv Turner was asked about it and he said 20 years ago, quote, 20 years ago, that's crazy. And that essentially Charlie Casserly had been the fourth or fifth team that Dicka, who was coaching the Saints and running the Saints at the time, that Charlie was the first out of five teams that said, oh yeah, we're in. and that somehow miraculously, the three or four teams that Dicka first approach turned down the deal, turned it down.

And Casserly said, yeah, I'm interested. And Casserly actually negotiated more than Dick who was willing to offer getting the first round the following year. In addition to the original deal that had been put together. And Casserly is quoted in this thing. He says, when the coaches were told about it that day, I'm sorry, Norr Turner first said, when the coaches were told about it that day, we looked at each other and said, this can't be real. You've got to do that. And Charlie Casserly agreed to the deal after negotiating for that additional first round pick the following year, agreed to it quickly.

Ditka apparently was head over heels over Ricky Williams, who, by the way, even then, people knew about this massive weed smoking problem that he had. And Ditka apparently during league meetings at spring, he was going around saying, I'll trade my whole draft for Ricky Williams. And teams were saying, nah. And Kasserly said to Ditka and to Kuharak, who Billy Kuharuk, who was the Saints GM at the time, said, we're interested, we'll listen. And New Orleans, because they didn't have the second round pick that year, that's when

Casarley said, I need your first and third in 2000, and we'll do this. the deal and they did it. And Casarly said it was a generational trade. It was. And the saints, or it should have been. The saints knew from the get-go from the moment that deal happened that there were problems, big problems, because when they finally had a chance to sit down with Ricky Williams, they realized that he was intensely shy, that's a quote from Ditka, and that, you know, he had these incredible anxiety-related issues. Do you remember? Yes. Personal anxiety. related issues, which by the way was the reason that he smoked a lot of wheat, was to really help him with that. On the plane after drafting Williams, he was coming flying back to New Orleans to meet the

press. He was given a Saints cap to wear, and Williams looked at the guy who handed it to him, and he said, I'm not wearing that. And the guy said, well, you're going to be doing a press conference from a podium. And he said, I'm not doing that either. So right from the get-go, They knew that they had major problems. Of course, the Redskins with that number 12 pick and that draft picked Champ Bailey. And then the next year, you know, got LaVar Arrington and Chris Samuels with their own pick and with the Saints pick. You know, it's hard to believe that this team had a draft where they got LaVar Arrington and Chris Samuels and didn't have any more to show for it. Well, I mean, the year that they drafted, LeVar, Erington, and Chris Samuels was also the year that Dan Snyder decided he was going to play fantasy football with free agency.

Jeff George, Dion Sanders, Mark Carrier, to have two players like that. I know. And not have more to show for it, it's unbelievable. And, you know, the Chris Samuels selection in 2000 was the last lineman, offensive or defensive, that they took in the first, I don't know. believe three rounds until Trent Williams was selected 10 years later in 2010. Because I think that the guy Molinari was a guy, I think, that was picked in the draft and maybe the third round. Maybe it was the first two rounds, the only offensive or defensive lineman during that era of horrible drafting, the draft being minimized by the organization,

free agency being, you know, certainly something that was the preferred route to building a roster. We know that didn't work. And we also know that over the last 10 years with Bruce Allen, there's been much more of an emphasis on the draft, which is a much better way to go, but that hasn't worked either because they haven't had great drafts. They've had a couple of good ones, but nothing great. But 20 years ago, that trade, you know, I remember as a Redskins fan thinking, I'll tell you exactly what I was thinking. I was thinking, damn, Ricky Williams would have looked good in her

Redskine uniform because he was, you know, he was a dominant running back. Champ Bailey obviously ended up being great. Ricky Williams was, what, out of the league two or three years later, I think, before he made that second act with Miami. But 20 years ago today, one of the all-time great trades in NFL history comparable to really the Vikings Cowboys trade for Herschel Walker, where Jimmy Johnson, you know.

Except Jimmy Johnson built a Super Bowl winner. Yes, he did, because Jimmy Johnson was a keen talent evaluator, and they got rid of Charlie Casserly, you know, and Vinnie Serrato took over and, you know, plundered the franchise with Dan Snyder over the next, well, 10 years with Vinny and another 10 with Bruce. All right, let's finish up the show and bring in a friend of the show, a friend of time.

I mean, how many, David Kotler, who works at Mama Lucia probably came to more of those lunch with legend podcasts than anybody did the ones we did. And right now, Mama Lucia is offering their Caps Hockey Special. It's a chicken parmesan dinner and a large pizza already specially priced at $30. But if you mention me by using my promo code, Kevin Caps, it's all lowercase, K-E-V-I-N-C-A-P-S, you'll get $10 off the already priced, especially priced $30 for a large pizza and a chicken parmesan dinner.

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There's no food drop. I've loved more at 980. And we got food today. I know. David brought food in. I wonder if it's how, is it Alasovetskin's food? Well, I bought you plenty, Tom. I got you a large cheese pizza.

I got you a large all-meat Sicilian pizza. So the thick crust and then I bought, brought you what Ovi eats for breakfast. Every game day morning at home, we delivered to the ice rink at 10,000. 30, a chicken parm, pasta plain, four different sauces, and a bucket of bread. And that's what... What do you do when they're on the road? You don't feed them on the road. No.

Didn't you, though, last year, feed them on the road before maybe Game 7 in Tampa? I was at Game 7. Which is still the second greatest sporting event I've ever been to live, number one being Super Bowl 17. Tell everybody, this is David Kotler, who works for a Mama Lucia. And again, you can get this special for 20 bucks using my code, Kevin Caps. All right, if you order online at Mamaluccia Restaurants.com, chicken parmesan and a large pizza. How did this start with you and Ovechkin? It started long before me.

Okay. I'm pretty sure we've been doing it for about eight, nine years. The previous manager in the Bethesda store was from Toronto, so had a hockey connection. Chris wasn't from Toronto. Yes. Oh, he was? Absolutely. I didn't know that.

Chris was from Toronto. And we used to feed more than just Ovi. But over the years, they put in a five-star kitchen hired chefs. So the order dwindled down. It was six for a couple years. And then starting last year, it was just Ovi. I guess you really can't say no to the great eight. No, you can't.

So are you the one that delivers his pregame meal? No, I've never delivered it. Why not? We send our... You're the biggest fan that they have. We send a driver down. You know, every morning and a lot of mornings, he's the one that'll open the door. You drive them nuts.

They say, all right, get out of here. Enough questions for OVee. Me, Kevin. What are the four different sauces for his pasta? Marinera, meat sauce, Alfredo sauce, and I think his favorite is. the mushroom marsala. Okay. That actually sounds pretty good.

Yeah. I do a mushroom marsala on pasta. It's right there, Kevin. It's right there for you. Now, I want to make one more offer. Okay. Because I guess about a third of your audience is local. No, more than that's local.

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So anybody that's feeling generous after OV through the greatest punch, I think, maybe, in caps, Tommy, Tommy really enjoyed it. Did he knock that little kid out who's a super fan? A super fan of O. I know. 19 years old. All right. So that's a great offer, right?

David mentioned, you know, a lot of our audience, believe it or not, a lot of the audience of this podcast, aren't in the D.C. Metro area, which is really nice. I personally feel, Tommy, and I think we've talked about this before, it's a lot of transplanted D.C. sports fans. Redskinned fans probably more than anything else. which is D.C. sports fans that now live in L.A. or Northern California, or New York, or Dallas, or Orlando, or Charlotte. And we have a lot of people listening from those markets. So, David just made you an offer.

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David's a big sports talk radio caller. That's how we first met. They wanted to know who the MVP was of game one. and the MVP to me was Baxter. Backstrom, Ovechkin, and Orpick, the three older guys. And it was still the older guys that one game two and nobody really showed up except Ovechkin's punch last night. I think that we need those young guys that played great last year to wake up. And I wouldn't be surprised if DSP, if Devante Smith Pelly,

was back on the squad from Hershey before the playoffs went much further. And he was such an important player left here. And he had a hat trick for Hershey. I think he had two. So I wouldn't be surprised to see. That's a pretty good call, David. Thanks, Tommy. All right.

Thanks for David brought in food. Tommy and I are huge Mama Lucia fans. Yes. Tommy, the only time we could get Tommy to wait after a show was when Mama Lucia was delivering pizza. It's great pizza. It's great pasta. It's just great home-cooked Italian food. And again, go to Mamaluccia Restaurants.com and order the Capshockey special, large pizza, chicken parmesan, use my code, lowercase, Kevin Caps, and you'll get it all for 20 bucks during this hockey season. Thanks, David. Appreciate it.

You got it, Kevin. All right. Tommy, thanks. See you. Thank you, boss. We're going to sit here and eat lunch together. Yes, we are. And then you'll be back on Thursday. By the way, the NFL schedule comes out tomorrow night. I can't wait to see. I got a feeling you're going to set a record this here, buddy.

It wouldn't be hard to set a record. I just need to write. That would tie the record, I think. But anyway, enjoy the day back tomorrow.