The Kevin Sheehan Show - Cheese Snap Problems

Episode Date: September 14, 2023

Kevin and Thom today with a full buffet menu of delicious cheeses and meats. Thom's night at Merriweather Post last night was squeezed in between a lot of Eric Bieniemy conversation and Kevin & Thom's early take on the Denver game.Then the guys got to the Commanders' Camaron Cheesman problem and how Ron Rivera addressed it yesterday. Aaron Rodgers, Trent Williams, Deion Sanders, and Mike Rizzo a part of the show too. Use https://www.mybookie.ag/ for your sports betting needs. Sign up with code KEVINDC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Eric Bienemy and Jack Del Rio are holding their Thursday coordinator press conferences. And Eric Bienemy said about Sam Hal. I thought Sam did basically what a first year starting quarterback would do. I thought we showed grit. We stuck together as a team. and you need those life lessons. And then he said it does not matter what the numbers are. The only thing that matters is the alphabet.

The alphabet. And did you find a way to get the W? That's what I'm proud of. Close quote. Yeah. At the end of the day, as people like to say, comes down to did you get the W? And they got the W against that plucky Arizona Cardinal team on Sunday.

Thank God they got it. Thank God they won that game. Has Eric Bianami referred to himself in the third person yet today? No, I don't know. He likes to do that. He does. It was funny. I had Chad Brown, who was the linebacker for the Steelers during their teams in the 90s,

the teams that had Kevin Green and Greg Lloyd and a lot of Colorado players, actually. He had played at Colorado. Cordell Stewart. Neil O'Donnell was the starting quarterback when they went to the Super Bowl and lost. to Barry Switzer's Cowboys. But I had him on the team, and he played with Eric Bienemy, and he absolutely loves Eric Bienemy. And if you're interested to hear what one of his college teammates said about him,

just go to the Team 980.com or download the Odyssey app. It's at the very end of the interview with Chad Brown in the first hour of the radio show today. But he did make reference to he gets a kick out of when Eric talks about himself in the third person, which he does a lot. He does a lot. But look, Ws are all that matter. We understand that. But how you look against especially an opponent that I think most teams will hammer this year in the Arizona Cardinals is something to consider about the opener.

But as I've said all week long, I just think the openers shouldn't be considered too serious. If they are really sputtering as an offense this week, next week, against Philly, against the Bears on Thursday night, which is three weeks from tonight, you know, even if they grab a couple of those Ws, you can be concerned about the offense. You can do two things simultaneously. You can be thrilled about a W, but be concerned as to whether or not it's sustainable because one of the units on your team isn't very good. We saw that last year and the year before.

well, certainly last year. Defensively, they were very good, but offensively, even though they were snagging some wins here and there, it wasn't sustainable. But anyway, I'm excited about Sunday. Can I hit you with the theory that I presented on the show yesterday? Yes, you can't. And then you can tell us about your night last night,

because I know you've been itching to get to that. So yesterday on the show, I just, on Monday, I said something in my recap. I said, look, I didn't love the play calling because I thought they were dropping Sam Howell back too much and putting the game at risk. And the reason I thought they were doing that is I just didn't think the Cardinals would be able to do much at all offensively.

And this was a winnable game as long as you didn't give them the game. And dropping him back as much as they did and calling so many more pass plays at one point a three-to-one ratio then run plays put the game at risk. You know, they had six sacks, three turnovers, and they were down in the game entering the fourth quarter, 16 to 10. But I said something while saying that. I said, but maybe it's part of Eric B. Ename's big picture plan.

Maybe there's a long-term strategy here that winning is important, and they're going to do everything they can to win the game, but he is trying to impart his philosophy, which is we have to throw the ball to be a big-time winner. You can't win and have sustained winning and win the big one without being able to throw the football in the NFL anymore. You've got to be able to throw the football. And obviously, he was with a coach for many years in Kansas City. And by the way, a pretty good quarterback receiver and tight-end situation there for many of those years. that lent itself to passing, whether it was a passing league or not.

But I think he's got a young quarterback. He has an offense that's young with some talent. And I think part of what his thought process is, is look, we are going to take some lumps because we've got a brand new quarterback, a new system, some young players, an offensive line that's a work in progress. But if we go down, we're going down with my philosophy, is we're going to build something here that has a chance to win big. I don't want to build a game managing offense around Sam Howe with the weapons that we have.

And so I said that on Monday, and I actually ended up talking to somebody who said, you're on to something there, that this is what he wants. Philosophically, he wants to throw the football. He wants to win big. He doesn't want to just go nine and eight or have a chance to go nine and eight. He doesn't want to coach a game managing quarterback. He thinks Sam's got some talent and he's going to let him take his lumps, but he's going to make him take his lumps being aggressive.

And I think that's what we saw on Sunday for the first two and a half quarters until the game was really at risk. And then they got conservative and they said, well, let's win this game as long as it's winnable. and let's not put it at risk anymore. But I'm really interested to see if that philosophy continues in Denver, and then against Buffalo and against Philadelphia, even if the results are mixed, which they really were, and that's the best way to describe them on Sunday.

Anyway, that's my theory about what Eric Bianami is trying to develop here offensively. What do you think? Don't you think it's a strange theory? for a group of football coaches that are on a short leash? Yes, but I don't know that he's on a short leash. I think his win this year is either the offense ends up being much better than it was, which, by the way, would mean more wins,

or the thing that really would highlight this guy, as a coordinator and a future head coach is if Sam Howe is developing and trending upward as the season goes on. And by the end of the year, everybody realizes Sam Howe's a starting quarterback in the NFL and what a great job Eric Bienemy did with him. I don't know.

I don't think people can see through the Ws and L's to come to that conclusion to then hire somebody to work for them. What if his next job is right here as the head coach? That's possible. That's possible. He may show up where that's the case. It's certainly possible. But I just find this whole, you know, experimental, like window.

When the window is so, it's ready to close. On Rivera it is. Yes. Well, and his staff. For all intents and purposes, the head coach goes, the staff goes with them. Here's a quote from Ron Rivera yesterday and talking about the second half adjustments when they went to the run after a heavy pass over run ratio, which got him in trouble. He said that was in E.B.'s hands, Eric B. Enemies'y's hands.

E.B. is the predominant play caller. As he goes through it and he sees certain things that he feels that he should do where they should do, he has the autonomy to do those things, closed quote. This is Eric B. Enemy's offense, win or lose. Succeed or don't succeed. This is, Ron Rivera hired him and gave him the assistant head coach title to go with the O.C. title. So people who are going to judge Eric B. Enemy, to maybe possibly hire him as a head coach won't care that he may have been reckless along the way

to accomplish some kind of bigger goal to develop a fifth round draft pick as an NFL starter. I don't know if reckless is the right word. I think that... Well, if you know you can win a game playing a certain way, and you don't play that way, that's reckless. I think what it could come down to is they went 7 and 10 and they missed the postseason, but they developed a young quarterback with talent

and the guy that developed him and did a phenomenal job with him and you saw the improvement throughout the season and then the offense as a whole improved. the guy that got that done was the guy that has the autonomy to do that. His name's Eric B. Enemy. And so I've said this going back to the moment they hired him. He has two ways to win. That Sam Hal becomes a legitimate starting quarterback in the NFL

that people that don't have quarterbacks would love to have and this franchise would have moving forward. Or if it's not Sam, the offense improves so significantly from where it was, and then the team would win because the defense is good too. So he's got two paths to looking really good. What wouldn't be good for Eric B. Enemy is if the offense fails and the quarterback fails, the young quarterback fails.

And erring on the side of being aggressive in the development of young quarterback, quarterback actually doesn't have a lot of downside when you think about it. I mean, it may not work, but he can always say, yeah, the goal in 2023 was to take this young quarterback on a team that wasn't necessarily ready to win or contend and see if we had something. And that's what we did. So in his interview with an owner who wants to hire him to coach his football team. presumably to win, he's going to say, well, we really, winning wasn't really our goal. You know, it was to develop the, you know, Sam Howell as a quarterback, and we did that, but we went seven and ten.

Right. You're going to hire that guy? Not me. I tell you what. There's no way if they go seven and ten unless Sam Howe is the second coming of Pat Mahomes that Josh Harris is going to hire Eric Bienemy to be a head coach. Seven to ten, everybody's out the door. I don't know if I agree with that.

Look, I'm not predicting that Eric Bienerby becomes the next head coach. I don't think that the odds favor that, personally. I know a lot of people are super excited about that prospect and actually believe that that's why he was hired. That, you know, ultimately the goal is for him to replace Ron Rivera with this superstar young quarterback. I need to see a lot more before I'm going to head in the direction of believing that Eric Bianami is going to be a head coach here with new ownership and probably a lot of new ideas. Remember, it's more likely than not that this is the ownership group that reached out to Sean Payton. We don't know that for sure because Peyton said one of the bidders, but I would bet

given all of the sports connections that Josh Harris has, that Magic Johnson has, that it was probably this particular group that reached out to Sean Payton. And this owner is also a heavy analytics kind of an owner. And so it's going to be a general manager heavy on advanced numbers and analytics and then probably giving the GM a lot of say in the hiring of the next head coach, which is, by the way, what I hope happens if they don't have a move forward kind of year on the field with the group that they have. But I don't know. I mean, I think that Eric B. Enemy wins if Sam Howell develops and it's obvious at the end of the year that he has coached him into a legitimate, you know, starting NFL quarterback regardless of what the record says. Now, you might be right.

It may not be a big, it may not be the win for him here. but I think that that's what he's, that that's what he's, that he would benefit from that. Well, given their, given their, given the team's offensive weapons, which I think are good, sometimes very good, maybe. if Sam Hal develops into what is visibly a legitimate NFL starter, this team is not going to lose. He's not going to have the opportunity to do that if he's under attack the whole year, which may get in the way. If Sam Hal right off the bat, which he wasn't on Sunday against Arizona,

but if he develops really quickly, going to win, but more likely than not, what I'm trying to describe to you is a development that takes 17 games, that we see the growth week after week. And he's not today a top half of the league's starting quarterback. And I think we saw that on Sunday, that he's not that right now. But by the time they get to Thanksgiving Day in Dallas, he's starting to play some really good football. And he is not making the same mistakes and he isn't holding the ball

as long as he did Sunday. And he's processing quicker and he's making better decisions and he's not taking the kind of hits that he took Sunday. And at that point, they may not have enough wins, they may not have enough nuts harvested as

Eddie Jordan would say to make the postseason, but maybe they end up winning four of their final six and he plays really well and they finish 7 and 10 or 8 and 9. That's what I'm talking about in terms of, you know, you're saying if he is that guy, they're going to win. No, he may not be that guy now or next month, but he might be that guy by, you know, late November, December, and into January. Dallas, Miami, the Rams, the Jets, the 49ers in Dallas. Yeah, I see. That's what he's going to make a. Maybe. Yeah.

And maybe they don't win those games. But maybe he's really good in those games. You never, in boxing, you never judge a fighter based on how he performed in a loss. Relevance, Your Honor. What are you talking about? It's two different things. We're talking about a team sport. We're talking about a young player who hasn't had his first boxing match yet.

He's playing his first games in the NFL at the most important position on the field. a coach to win. And the new coach, unless it's Eric B. Ani is not the guy who drafted Sam Howe. This whole thing is just screwed up. This is the kind of thing

that happens at the beginning of a coaching tenure. Yeah, but this is... Like when North Perner drafted Heathshire? You know, that was like in 94. Okay? That just happens at the beginning. Or in the middle

of a successful coaching career. Let's say you've already won and your quarterback that led you to the winning, it's done, and now you've got to develop a new one. Well, you've already proved that you know how to do that. But to do it now, it's just all warped. What do you mean? It's not going to work. Who's saying it's going to work? I'm not saying it's going to work or not work. I'm telling you that the way Eric Bienami wins, meaning people now view him because they haven't before, as a potential head coach, or by the way, as a potential offensive coordinator, because nobody wanted him for that job either except for Washington.

For him to elevate his stature, the team has to either be really good on offense, you know, really improved on offense, no matter who the, quarterback is, and if that happens, by the way, they will win enough games to contend for the postseason. Yes. I agree. This young, you know, ball of clay gets molded slowly during the course of a 17-game schedule into a guy that at the end of the year looks like a bona fide NFL top 15 kind of a

quarterback, no matter what the record is. I disagree with you. I don't think it would matter for people looking at Eric Bien to me at that point what the team's overall record was. If that's what it looks like at the end of the year. So you own the team, a team that has just been, okay, let's just stick with this team for a second. You obviously don't like my theory. You're just been walking in the desert for 25 years. Yeah.

And, you know, you just had a seven and ten season, but you're all. offensive coordinator was very impressive. You're going to hire that guy and went over to fan base? Am I? I don't know. I mean, I need more context, but based on the conversation we're having, I just think that that is a really good position and maybe the best position that Eric Bienimi has, will have found himself as a coach in the NFL, because he will have done it on his own, done it with total autonomy, away from all of the superstars, including the coaches in Kansas City, and people would view him differently because clearly the league did not have a super

high opinion of Eric Bienimi as a head coach or as an offensive coordinator candidate when he was available for that last offseason. I'm just talking about whether, would I hire him as a head coach, if he developed the quarterback and the quarterback really looked like he had a great connection with Eric Bienemy and that this guy was going to be the franchise quarterback that this group's been looking for forever, I consider it at that point. Yes. I don't see any outcome that works for him, not for this team. And therefore, not any place else. I actually don't see any outcome that works for Ron Rivera other than deep into the postseason.

I mean deep. Got to win a game and be close in the game you lose or maybe win to and get to the NFC title game. He's the one that I... But his time is up. I get that. His time is expired, so to speak. I get that.

He's gotten a coaching career. Let me just... He's had one. Let me guarantee you one thing. If Eric B. Enamees, the offensive coordinator of a team that goes eight and nine and misses the playoffs. But Sam Hal is performing at a high level at the end of the year, and it's clear to everybody watching, okay, they've got their quarterback moving forward.

And Ron Rivera is, you know, let go. Bienemy will be one of the interviews for the new head coaching job. And I'm not talking. Probably will, but I don't think that's not a plausible scenario because if we think this team's weakness is quarterback, and the quarterback is performing at a high level. You didn't, you're not paying attention. Everything else around him is good. Yes, I didn't say performing at a high level all year long.

And the offensive line will prevent him for performing at a high level. Hello? And if it doesn't, and if he's performing at a high level, they'll be good and make the playoff. At the end of the year, he's performing at a high level. What if the first half of this season is what we saw on Sunday? Some good plays, some bad plays, just overall kind of a C, kind of a quarterback. But very slowly, there starts to be signs of, you know what, he's not taking as many sacks.

Processing is really picked up. Ball's coming out quickly. He's accurate. He's not taking the big shot. He's making good decisions. I'm not talking about all season long. If he's great or if he's really good and it's obvious he's a legitimate upper tier, you know, top half of the league starting quarterback starting this Sunday because it wasn't

obvious on Sunday against Arizona, then yes, I agree with you. They're going to win enough games to be in the postseason. So the conversation we're having about Eric B. Enemy right now is moot. But I'm not saying that that's the way it would develop. I think he wins if at the end of the year you start to see. yeah, this guy really improved from where he was early to mid-season to where he is now. I mean, you can see it. What generally happens?

That does. Over the course of 17 games season. For a young quarterback, that usually happens, what I just described. What happens over a 17-game season generally to an offensive line? To an offensive line? I'm not talking about the offensive line, but it stays weak, it gets injured, doesn't get better. That's, well, I mean, he'd get even more credit if the quarterback looked apart at the end of the year with a bad offensive line.

Okay. All right. I mean, I just think it's not a plausible scenario. Well, I think it is plausible. I'm not predicting it. I'm not even predicting the Sam Howe part of this. Most of you know, I don't have any strong feeling at this point about Sam Howe. I do know this, that if we see games like we saw on Sunday, and that's the norm, nobody's coming back next year.

So he's got to be better. I think he can be better. He certainly has the talent to be better. But back to what started this conversation because we've completely moved off of it. My theory about him having more of a long-term development strategy in mind as they're playing these. games, do you think that's plausible? I think that's not very smart. I don't think that helps anybody except Sam Howe.

And maybe Eric Bienemy. Maybe. Look, I hope Eric Bieneroy is successful. He's an entertaining guy. He seems like a nice guy. And I think it'd be fun to have him as a head coach to cover. Okay? So, I mean, I hope he is successful. What did you do last night that you wanted to tell me about?

Well, last night, I went to Meriwether Post Pavilion. You know, it's funny, I lived in Columbia for 30 years, and I only went to Maryweather twice. Oh, really? That's funny. The whole time I was there. Yeah. I mean, I regret that in a way.

I mean, Jimmy Buffett played at Maryweather 45 times. Yeah. And I never went to see him play. I saw him play once. I was not a big Buffett fan, but I mean, I really regret. I went to a Buffett concert, and let me just tell you it was memorable for me. I'll leave it. I'll leave it at that.

I don't like the whole parrothead thing, but I love his music. I should have went. But anyway, I went last night not for a concert, but they were playing on the big screen, the movie Rocky, with the Baltimore Symphony Orchestra there on stage to play the score. I mean, that's one of the great scores. Bill Conti. In the past 50 years. That's the Bill Conti score.

Yeah. Da-da-da-da-da-dan. You know, dun, dun, dun, dun, it's great.

Music of him running up the steps. Oh, yeah. Of, you know, the art museum steps. The music at the end of the fight when Adrian comes into the ring

and tells Rocky, I love you. I mean, it's just, it's so inspiring. Right. I mean, it's a music that really gets you pumped up.

So it was great to see, I've been to three, to three of these kind of things. The best I ever saw was the National Symphony Orchestra played the score to on the waterfront. But these things are really entertaining, and I had

a great time last night. It was really... I mean, Rocky's a great movie. And I still think it's an underrated movie because it touches so many people in terms of emotions.

I was talking to my son, who went with me, last night. And we were ranking, you know, going through the Rocky movies. And, uh, Rocky is number one. But it's funny, the last one he made, Rocky Balboa, I don't know if you've ever seen that. I don't think I saw that one. That one wasn't that long ago, right? No. That's the second best Rocky movie ever. That's a really good movie. I'd recommend Rocky Balboa to anyone. Better than Rocky three. The rest of them in between, you know, Mr. T. Clubber lying. That's Rocky Tree.

Yeah. And actually, they had an intermission last night, and then the orchestra played I at a tiger coming out of the intermission, even though it's not in the original movie Rocky. No, it's not. But it was a really good time, and sometimes symphonies do these things, and they're usually really fun to watch. So I am curious.

So the movie's on like a big screen. you're in the you're in the pavilion you're not on the lawn right no I'm in the pavilion I'm like maybe 15 rows back okay and then the Baltimore

symphony orchestra is playing the music so when the music's being played in the movie you're hearing the orchestra like how does that work yes they turn the music down in the movie

so you hear the orchestra got it playing I mean, it's just phenomenal. All those violins, all those horns, I mean, people were on their feet. It was great, you know? I mean, I've seen Rocky, the original Rocky, I don't know, maybe over a hundred times.

It's been on a lot recently. It's been on a lot recently on just regular TV because I watched it. It was on late night a few weeks ago. It's such a great movie. And you know what one of my favorite scenes is when he's walking into the spectrum, you know, the late at night, the night before the fight and looking around and getting up into the ring and it's really quiet. By the way, you know, when I did watch it a few weeks ago, it's well done, I guess, the boxing stuff. But my God, we've never ever seen a fight that brutal, ever that actually was allowed to continue.

well i don't know some of those Mickey ward Arturo goddie those were good ones those were good ones yeah but you're right it was extreme it was the brutal to the extreme yeah uh and uh that's that's where rocky

realizes he can't win the fight when he goes into the arena the night before and looks around looks around that's when he comes back and tells me and I can't win but no one's ever gone to distance with creed so that would be his victory so last night i couldn't get i couldn't get to sleep and i the tv was on

and i was just you know looking for movies and i watched interstellar which i've actually seen before but you know that kind of stuff typically isn't my favorite you know um but although i do like you know character-driven shows and movies um like Stranger Things, which you loved to. But you always claim not to like those kinds of shows or movies. Interstellars, you know, that movie with McConaughey and Anne Hathaway and Damon and Jessica Chastain. It's a Christopher Nolan movie.

And he's the one Tommy that just did Oppenheimer. By the way, have you seen Oppenheimer yet or not? I have not yet. I have not seen it yet. That's strange. But you went to see Rocky last night at Meriweather Post. Go see Oppenheimer. I'd be interested to hear what you think. This movie is excellent.

I didn't necessarily feel that way when I first saw it. I kind of liked it, but last night, I picked it up early on, and I just stuck with it for the last hour and a half, an hour and 45 minutes. It is an excellent film. It is heavy on sci-fi and black hole and, you know, dystopian, you know, futures and all of that. But I thought it was excellent. And I'm not always the biggest McConaughey fan. He was great in this. He was great. Christopher Nolan is one hell of a movie maker. I mean, I told you about Oppenheimer. If I didn't, I mean, I liked it. I didn't think it was the

greatest, you know, sort of historical film that I've ever seen. But it was, it was, it was excellent. But the Dark Night was great. Dunkirk was great. And Interstellars really, really good. Inception for me was, I don't know, it was okay. It was not my favorite. But God, Christopher Nolan can make a movie. That is for sure. All right. Let's get to some Denver, Washington talk. It's your prediction on the game. By the way, the NFL is reportedly eyeing a certain international location for a game next year. Tommy will be happy about that. And I will share that with all of you when we come back right after these words from a few of our sponsors. Like that! You like that! There he is, Tommy. He plays tonight in prime time. You know who. Can't say his

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total at 38 is the lowest total at my bookie. God, there are some low. I can't remember the last time at this time of the season when weather isn't a factor, and I know that New England may have some weather with the tropical storm Lee or whatever on Sunday night, but the week one was so low scoring that this week you have the Colts Texans with a total under 40 at 39 and a half. You have the Packers Falcons at 40 and a half, the Giants Cardinals at 39 and a half, Washington, Denver at 39, the Jets Cowboys at 38, the Saints Panthers at 39 and a half, and the Browns Steelers at 38.5. Tommy, I follow this, as you know. I can't remember the last time I've seen over under numbers on the board, be this low for an NFL week. Now, the matchups kind of favorite, but the points last week were hard to come by. And you typically only see this late in the season with meaningless games and bad weather games. That's a lot. Okay, so let's speculate why. Do you think it's because of the

lack of preparation and preseason games? So I think that the theory on why, last week and last year's week one was so low scoring is that the preseason games have been knocked from four down to three. I don't think it has anything to do with the games, the number of games. I think it's just this trend with most teams of playing starters less and less and less. And that's what we've seen even before they went to 17 games and before they went to three preseason games. And then, you know, you had a situation like with Cincinnati on Sunday where Joe Burrow didn't play in the preseason. He also did not practice in the preseason.

So, yeah, I think that has, it's got to have something to do with it. Yeah, you would think so. You know, and these preseason games are worthless, but there is a rhythm that you can get into, I guess, with your first stringers and your passing in a real game environment. I don't know. I just know that I've never seen a board with this low. I mean, I'm not going to sit here and do the math right now

on the aggregate totals for the game, but I bet it's one of the lowest in modern times because even the high totals aren't high-high. Like there's not one game this week with a total. Well, yes, there is. There's one game with the total at 50 or higher. 51 for Kansas City, Jacksonville. The next highest is Seattle, Detroit at 47.

That's, you know, 45, you know, 44 to 44. Call it 45 average is kind of an average over under number in these days of NFL football played, you know, in good weather early in the season. But Washington, a three and a half point dog at MyBooky, go to MyBooky.ag. Use my promo code. Kevin D.C. You'll benefit from 200 bucks in free money if you deposit $50 or more. The game tonight, by the way, no smell test pick. I would lean Navy to. tonight plus 13 against Memphis. If you have to have action tonight, I'm probably going to have Navy plus 13 at Memphis in a game that goes at 730, but it's not an official smell test pick. I do also kind of like the over in the Philly Minnesota game tonight. And I think the game

will be closer than people think. Cousins, by the way, in his prime time record has been, like most things with him has been grossly exaggerated. People have told me before on Twitter, basically you can talk about him the next time he wins a primetime game. He's over for whatever. He's actually 12 and 18 lifetime in primetime games. It's not great, but it's not what people think it is. And let's face it, he played on some teams that weren't so good

in those first couple of primetime games he played back in 2014 in Washington. Anyway, so Ron Rivera said something, and I'm going to play it for you right now, about their long snapping situation. For those who haven't followed it super closely, Cameron Cheeseman, who they drafted in 2021, actually moved up in the sixth round to draft in 2021. Cameron Cheesman has rolled a few snaps back in preseason, and then he bounced one back to Tress away in the open. against Arizona.

And there's been some concern about Cheeseman's snapping. He apparently has changed his technique with his snap here heading into this season, and it's not working. Ron Rivera was asked about this yesterday. Here's what he said. Well, it is concerned more than anything else. And so we'll just continue to have Cameron snap until, you know, unfortunately something happens, and then we'll decide from there.

But right now, we're handling it. We're putting the ball through the uprights, which is most important. And I believe it's just something that he's working out. I can't really understand what I just heard. He is essentially saying, we got a problem right now, but we're actually not going to do anything about it until it actually hurts us in a game. Rather than saying, hey, we got a concern. Yeah, but we're going to just let him snap until we start missing kicks.

Tressway's done an unbelievable job of fielding these grounders that have come back to them and they've been able to make kicks like they did on Sunday with the one that got bounced back in the Arizona game. But this isn't something as a head coach that you wait until, you know, it actually, the result is bad. The process is setting up for bad. Bad is going to happen if he continues to snap the ball this way. And you know it, but you're not addressing it. You're going to wait until it actually results in a miskick. And it could be for a game.

Who knows? That doesn't make any sense to me at all. I would be working out long snappers. What's your option to bring somebody in? Of course. You should be working out long snappers. You should certainly have people on your practice squad that you can call up immediately on Sunday.

if you, you know, if in practice he continues to do the same thing, you know you have a problem. He's got a concern. He said that. This is an important part of a game in which a team is more likely than not when they've got a chance to win games. They're going to be close games. They made the kicks on Sunday.

For 20 years, they only had two long snappers. Ethan Albright and Nick Sunberg. Yeah, Sunberg was there forever. Yeah, I think they were both there about 10 years. Is Nick Sunberg on anybody's roster? It was such a stable position. Yeah. Until Ron Rivera got a hold of it.

Well, Sunberg was his snapper that first year, right? I'm pretty sure, because they drafted Cheesman in 2020. Yeah. Is Nick Sunberg in the league right now? No, that was it. 2020 was it. Yeah. Not in the league.

That was it. Anyway, a couple of thoughts about the Denver game real quickly. And I talked a little bit about this yesterday, but I want to mention it to you. And then I do want to get your pick on the game on Sunday. A couple of things non-football related. First of all, Denver is celebrating. It's their alumni game, you know, what Washington referred to there several years as the homecoming game until they finally realized that that was pretty stupid. because the Carolina Panthers running back just mocked it when they came in here and kicked their ass on homecoming weekend.

But it's alumni weekend. They're celebrating the Super Bowl 33 team, which was the team that beat Atlanta in the Super Bowl for back-to-back Super Bowl wins. You know, the L-Way 2 Super Bowl wins with Mike Shanahan and Terrell Davis. They beat the Packers, then they beat the Broncos. And DeMarcus Ware is also going to be honored. There's some people that believe that perhaps in picking the game for this alumni weekend to honor the Super Bowl champions that maybe Mike had something to do with it, that he wanted it to be against Washington.

I don't know if that's true or not. But that's... Oh, I think Mike's certainly capable of that. Yes, he is. So that's one thing. Then with respect to the game, I think Washington's going to struggle. again offensively. I think this is going to be another game in which that, you know,

they're not going to score more than 20, that it's going to be a struggle at times against a Denver defense that is better than Arizona's defense on paper anyway. They've got a coach in Denver and Vance Joseph. Remember he was the head coach in Denver and then, you know, and then got fired. Now he's back in Denver working for Sean Payton as the defensive coordinator. they, Vance Joseph, knows Eric Bianami very well.

They have coached against each other many times in the AFC West. And so they've got talent. I mean, Pat Sertan is one of the best corners in the game. I think it's going to be a struggle offensively. But I also think defensively they've got a chance to really, you know, keep Denver under 20 as well. Like that total that I just gave you, like I see another. under game potentially for Washington and Denver.

This is Denver played a 17-16 game in the opener. As I mentioned, it was an odd game in which there were only six possessions per team, but Washington played a game that was 20 to 16, that they led 17-16 late. And I think that's the kind of game it's going to be on Sunday. Like it's going to be a, you know, 17, 13, 16 to 10, you know, 19-16 kind of game. I think both offenses are going to struggle a little bit in this one. And then, by the way, they've got two much better defenses the following two weeks with Buffalo and with Philadelphia, at least right now, as it looks like with those two teams coming in. But I also think that Russell Wilson did look better than he looked last year.

I thought that they did a lot of things in timing, and I thought he had a lot of vintage Russell Wilson plays off schedule, including the two touchdown passes. But the problem is, and I know I mentioned this on yesterday's show, they just don't have a lot of team speed offensively. They don't have a lot of explosiveness. You know, Jerry Judy was limited in practice. He may not go again, and that leaves Cortland Sutton as a big receiver and a big target for them. but they just don't have, I don't think, I think in many ways, Arizona with Hollywood Brown and Ron Del Moore had two explosive players on the field that Washington had to deal with that they won't have to deal with on Sunday. So I'm not trying to influence, nor will you even take it as such, but I would be really surprised if we end up with a 27, 24, or even a 24-21 game. unless there are defensive touchdowns or special teams touchdowns.

But I think both teams are going to have a difficult time moving the football on Sunday. And you've got good coordinators there. I mean, Sean Payton's essentially their O.C. Vance Joseph is a good defensive mind. And they played pretty well at times defensively. They had some stupid penalties against the Raiders on Sunday. anyway, that's what I see. I'll have my prediction on the game and keys to beating Denver on Sunday on the show tomorrow. So, give me your thoughts on the game and your production.

I think there'll be more defensive turnovers in this game. I think the score will be higher than what you're picking. I think it'll be 24-22 kind of game. You know, Denver, from what I read last week against, you know, the Raiders, they didn't generate much pressure or, you know, on Jimmy Garoppolo. So there's this idea that, you know, they're not a high-pressure team coming after the quarterback. I think their game plan will be, though, to come after the quarterback as much as they can. because I think the word is out that you can rattle Sam How. And I think they're going to try to do that. So I think that, but I think Washington has a very good defense that can create

turnovers on a Denver team that struggled offensively. So I think it's going to be a defensive matchup, and I think it's going to result in who turns the ball over more. and I think given the quarterback situation, it's going to be Sam Hal and Washington in that case. Plus, I mean, you know, there's a certain amount of money that I'm going to put on Sean Peyton coaching a game. Denver had one turnover on – Denver had no turnovers on Sunday, and the Raiders had one turnover. So they actually won the turnover battle and lost the game. Washington lost the turnover battle and won the game on Sunday.

One thing that really hurt Denver defensively were penalties. It hurt them overall. They had a bunch of penalties in the game, and that hurt them. And they missed a field goal and missed an extra point as well. You talked about this, you know, what you've heard about their pass rush. So it's, you know, it's one game, as we know. But yes, in the game. In terms of the ESPN Analytics pass rush win rate, they were 31st in the league after one week.

They were also, in their pass blocking win rate, they were fourth. I mentioned, I think, on yesterday's show, that Washington's pass block win rate was eighth best in the league. And it's funny because, and I think I mentioned this this morning with Nikki Javala, who was on the radio show with me from the Washington. Post because she was talking about the offensive line and the, you know, Sam Hal and Sacks and who was at more fault. I'm telling you, I may be wrong, but based on my observation of the internet of the social media film breakdown people that are out there because they're out there by the dozens, I think we've gone from Sunday thinking the offensive line sucked to today thinking the offensive line was great on Sunday.

I can't subscribe to a lot of these, you know, look, you all know who my film breakdown guy is and nobody does it better and understands it better than Cooley. And as I mentioned, hopefully we'll try to get him on the show for tomorrow. He's been very busy this week and he didn't watch much of the game on Sunday. I warned you that this was going to be a possibility. We'll see what happens week by week with him. But, I mean, I have a lot of those guys that occasionally will reach out to me to ask to come on the show. And I just, some of the PFF guys I really like as guests.

And I think that they do a good job. Look, they have 32 NFL clients. There are only 32 NFL teams. So they are a tool for the NFL teams to use in their evaluation of a lot of things. Like we have Nick Ackridge on this podcast. I like Nick a lot. We have Sam Monson on every once in a while. But I watched the game Sunday, and then I rewatched it.

I did not think the offensive line was great. Okay? I am shocked that they ended up with the eighth best pass blocking win rate in the league on Sunday. But then again, maybe there were some really bad pass blocking performances by the other 24 teams. But I thought Sam Cosmi was really good. I thought that Gates was okay, but I watched quick pressures multiple times for some sacks, and I thought Sam held on to it too long as well. We did that earlier in the week.

But my God, man, the number of film breakdown people on the internet now on social media, I mean, everybody's doing it. Everybody's doing it. And trust me, this is what, yeah. This is how I describe it in baseball, and this sounds very similar. There's a difference between information and knowledge. Yeah. What a lot of these film breakdown guys have is information.

They don't necessarily have knowledge. And look, the PFF guys have told me before that some of the hardest evaluations are offensive line because they don't know on every play what the responsibilities are. in pass pro in particular. That's what I mean by knowledge. Yeah. They don't have that special knowledge. And by the way, they admit that.

They understand that that is sort of the weakness. So if that's, you know, a bit of a weakness for them, imagine what it is for those that are doing it that not only don't have the knowledge, but really don't understand the information either. But, yeah, look, I mean, God bless you. I mean, if you can create an audience doing film breakdown.

And look, some of these people are former coaches, former players. And that I can sort of get behind a little bit more than some of these people who football just became their favorite sport four or five years ago. I was not impressed by the offensive line. I wasn't. I thought it was a rough day for Andrew Wiley. I thought it was a rough day at times for, for, the interior not named Sam Cosmy. So Sadiq Charles, I thought Leno was okay.

But again, you know, knowledge, as Tommy said, you just aren't sure. Like Rivera talked about some of the communication breakdowns. And you can piece it together to kind of identify which play there was a communication breakdown. But I think everybody was equally culpable for what was, you know, rough pass protection. and six sacks, even though some of the sacks were, you know, him avoiding trouble and getting back to the line of scrimmage for a minus one yard gain. You know, but that still counts as a sack, and I thought there were three or four that he got out of that could have been sacks.

But anyway, as far as pass rush win rate for the Broncos on Sunday, they've got some good defensive players. I know that, and they've got a good defensive coordinator. So we'll see what their pass rush win rate looks like on Sunday in week two. Plus, they have one of the best young corners in the game, period, in Sartan the second. So be careful with the football on Sunday in Denver. And Denver is a tough place to play. Yeah, that place was wired Sunday. And he came out with an on-side kick to open up the game.

And not only that, but you got the elevation to deal with. Yeah, Rivera said something about that that was interesting. They're taking the team out Saturday afternoon to Denver. Apparently the science says that if you're in condition, if you're really in good shape, that you don't feel the elevation until after 24 hours of being in it. So they don't want to be in it for more than 24 hours. So their plan is to fly out late Saturday afternoon. It's a 225 local time kickoff on Sunday and be there for less than 24 hours.

Maybe he's right. Look, they played in Denver two years ago. They did not play well in Denver two years ago. They lost that game 17 to 10. We're not very good in that game, if you recall. That was that Halloween game right before the buy week, and then they came out after the buy week and played great. All right, so your prediction on the game on Sunday is what?

I'm predicted of Denver win 24 to 22. I think Washington covers the spread, and I think it's the over. That's not a lock on my part, but I think Denver squeaks out of 24-22 win. 24-22 Denver is Tommy's pick. What did you pick last week? You picked Washington in a route, right? You had them big. Yeah, I did.

I 27 to 10 or something like that. Do you know what my final score prediction was? You know what? I'll bet it's close to 20 to 16. It was 20 to 14 was my final score prediction. So tune in tomorrow because I may be pretty close again. So apparently, Tommy, the NFL is eyeing Madrid for one of their international games in 2024. Now, they won't play the game while you're summering in Spain because it'll be into September, October when they end up playing that game next year.

But wouldn't be a bad trip. I'll tell you what, if Washington's in that game next year in Spain, let's go together to the game. What do you say? That sounds like a plan. I would do that, actually. You know what? Because I've got places for us to stay.

I've got restaurants where we can eat. They have not played in Spain. They've played in, obviously, Germany. Germany, they've played in, you know, everywhere in the UK, and they played Mexico and in Canada. Those are the international spots they've played in, so they're looking at Spain. By the way, it would surprise me if the NFL is super popular in Spain like it is, in Germany like it is in the UK. Well, I have one of Liz's cousins, Joaquin, a really good guy.

I hung out with him a lot. he is a fanatical NFL fan. Wow. I mean, he can't get enough of it. And he has very good knowledge of the league and what's going on and stuff. And that's all he wanted to do was talk football. And so, actually, he's coming over here in November,

and we're taking him to a Ravens game on Thursday night when the Ravens played a Bengals in Baltimore. that's awesome. He's that big of a football fan. So he'll be all over a game in Madrid. Plus that stadium just underwent a huge amount of upgrades and renovations. By the way, I just pulled up a story from last year, which countries watch the NFL the most other than the U.S. Mexico is obviously number one, followed by Brazil. Brazil is the next biggest NFL country.

And by the way, after Mexico and Brazil, there's a huge drop-off to Canada. I would have thought Canada would have been one or two. And then... Yeah, because they have the Canadian football league up there. And then... They have their own league. And then South Korea is four, followed by Germany, the UK, Spain, Saudi Arabia, Australia, Argentina.

I'm trying to see who did this study. Like, if it was anything, according to Indy 100. Not Italy, huh? I don't think the Italians have ever liked the NFL. Okay. Because I know they, now, most, all of Europe loves the NBA.

I mean, they love the NBA. Yes. Oh, because half their players are over here in the NBA. Yeah, I'm looking at something else too here. Mexico, followed by Brazil, Canada, South Korea. Same thing. Interesting. I was convinced for years that Dan Snyder was going to get the Redskins to play a game in Cutter.

Because Cudder used to do a lot of advertising at the stadium. Cutter Airways. Maybe Ted Leonis will take one of his teams. teams over there to play a game. Maybe. Isn't he doing business with, didn't you write about this recently? He's doing business with the Saudis, but that's, yeah, he's a partner in that professional fighters league, at MMA operation, which just got a bunch of Saudi money.

All right. Let's finish up with Tom's thoughts on the Rizzo extension. We had Mark Zuckerman on the show yesterday, and we'll talk a little Aaron Rogers. and what he said via Instagram when we come back right after these words from a few of our sponsors. All right, Tommy, tell us about Shelly's. Look, I'm going to give a recommendation to you guys out there. You know, you've got the Washington game at 425 this Sunday out in Denver. So you're going to be watching it on television.

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Well, Shelly's back room, you can do it. all those things. Check it out at Shelley's Backroom, 1331 F Street, Northwest, or look them up on shelley's backroom.com. Great spot and great spot to hang out and watch, you know, Thursday night football tonight if you're down and around there. So I want to get your thoughts on Mike Rizzo, but a couple things before that. First of all, I don't know if you saw this, but Colorado State is playing Colorado Sunday night. Another nationally televised. game for Dion after the two games on Fox and now they're going to play on Saturday night 10 PM. They're 23 and a half, 24 point favorite at my bookie. Colorado State is coached by Jay Norville.

Colorado State is not very good. And he made a comment on an interview with ESPN that seemed to be, not seem to be, but was for sure a shot at Dion Sanders. He said about, you know, hearing about all the Colorado talk, you know, that they're tired of it. And he said, I told them when I went in for my interview with ESPN, I took my hat off and I took my glasses off. When I talk to grownups, I take my hat and my glasses off. That's what my mother taught me. Close quote. Now Dion keeps those sunglasses on. I actually saw an interview that he did with Joel Clatt, who is excellent as a game analyst guy with Gus Johnson on Fox. Just excellent. One of my favorite analysts now doing college football. And he did a sit-down interview that ran before the season started, and they aired it again

recently. Deion did not have his sunglasses on inside. I'll tell you what, I've gotten to the point where Everybody, life has become so casual. Even in business, things are much more casual than they are. I like the old school stuff when it comes to that. You know, I take my hat off when I walk into a restaurant. I would never walk into a restaurant, you know, and not take my hat off and sit down unless it was, you know, at a fast food restaurant.

I'm not talking about that. Right. I would never wear sunglasses inside. But the hat thing for interviews, I'm fine with that. I mean, I think a lot of coaches keep their baseball cap on when they're doing interviews. That doesn't seem like a big deal. And when I saw this interview with Dion and Joel Clat, he did not have his sunglasses on during the interview. But here's one thing I'd recommend to coach Norville.

I would say that, you know, before the game against a team that's much better than yours, probably don't add fuel to the fire in this case. You can believe that you might even be right, and a lot of people might agree with you. you, but Dion may pull a sprier this weekend and run the score up on this dude, because it is a rivalry game, although the Nebraska games are rivalry game for them too. Yeah. You know, look, this is one of Dion's gifts is he has the ability to get on their opponent's skin. Yeah.

Just by being Dion, without even trying. You know, I mean, I understand how people get tired of the act. Really? You know, I certainly, yeah, I can. I mean, it's not my cup of tea. Scott and I were talking about this yesterday on the podcast. There's something about Dion. There are a lot of woofers and mouthy, you know, athletes and coaches that definitely

rubbed me the wrong way, no doubt. There's something so likable. I've always felt that about Dion. He's funny. He's quick. And I've always enjoyed it. And then here's the thing about Dion. He's always backed it up.

He's one of the greatest that's ever done it on the field. He's just one of the greatest winners of all time. And I said something to Scott yesterday because for whatever reason it just popped into my mind that like, you know, I think Mike Leach for a lot of people, you know, God rest his soul, you know, people were like, oh, God, this guy. He was funny as hell to me. And yes, sometimes it was bulletin board material for the opponent, but he was likable in his mouthiness, in his quick retorts. He was very smart too. He was a lawyer too. College football misses him here in the first year without him. But anyway, I've never had an issue with Dion. I've always liked him. I was excited when they signed him to

play here. By the way, it's the one place he really never talks about as a professional player. He never talks about his one year in D.C. But I don't know what that's about, if it's about, if it's about Dan or if it's about Marty. But then again, he didn't play for Marty. What am I talking about? He played for, he played for sport. He played for the, he played for, he played for, uh, he played for, uh, he played for, uh, Norv in 2000. Um, all right, uh, tell me about the Rizzo extension, which we talked about the other day and it finally got done. Why did it take so long? Well, I mean, according to Rizzo, he wanted Davies extension done first.

This is what Rizzo says was the reason that once they got Davies done, then they concentrated it on his. Okay. Look, the learners are difficult to make any kind of business deal with. It's just who they are. you know so it's never going to be simple it's never going to be easy uh and i think it's just i mean i can't fathom any scenario where mike wouldn't have been coming back or where the learners wouldn't have mike wanted to have mike back except maybe financially or in years of

uh contract i don't know what those terms are but i'm sure mike pretty much got you know what what he was hoping for because the alternative for the learners would have been very embarrassing, even though Mike really likes it in Washington and really wanted to stay here. Especially since, you know, he feels like they're on the cusp of another very talented run of players and teams. What was interesting, though, in the press release that was issued was a statement by Mark Lerner. and I'm writing about this for the Mars, Washington Times. Quote, we are once again hard at work to build a championship contender in D.C. We now believe we have the beginnings of a roster filled with promising young players

and exciting prospects at nearly every position. While we once talked about winning World Series for our baseball-loving fathers, Mike's family and ours now look forward to winning even more race. for our children and grandchildren. And, of course, for every other nationals-loving fan and family everywhere, we are excited about the future. You think they're going to hold on to the team. Yes, this does not sound like a guy who's about to sell the team

or who's trying to sell the team. He went out of his way to mention our children and grandchildren. And I had heard from somebody last week that they had spoke to Mark Lerner, certainly didn't sound like somebody who wanted to sell. Now, you know, the decision may have been made for them when the market wasn't there to get the money that they want because of this whole massive thing. You know, as far as we know, there was only one bidder.

It was Ted Leonsis, and I think it was probably far less than what the learners were looking for. so I don't think they ever got close to a figure that they wanted so I think they've just decided to hold on to the team and I think this was really the first public statement that really addresses that so I think for the foreseeable future the learners are going to still own this football this baseball team yeah I mean you said that the other day

that certainly sounds like a statement that you know indicates that there you know, there's no rush to sell it. Yeah. Yeah, and now I think, again, there's so many dominoes in this, I think if the Orioles, I think if Peter Angelo's passes away, he's 94, and he's been incapacitated for years, the Orioles will be sold. And if the Orioles are sold, I think no, baseball's not going to approve that sale unless the Masson deal is dissolved. and both teams are in charge of their own television rights. And then I think you have a different market if they still wanted to sell the team. But I've maintained all along.

The Nationals won't be sold until the Orioles are sold. I still maintain that. All right. I wanted to end with two things real quickly. Number one, Trent Williams. We all know who Trent Williams is. Trent Williams, still with the 49ers, made the following statement after the game against the Steelers on Sunday in which they blew the Steelers out 30 to 7. He said at one point, you just kind of wanted them to get a first down.

There were all of those three and outs, and we kind of needed a break. Close quote. He's on offense, and he's rooting for Pittsburgh to get first downs so that they can take a break. So I went back and looked at the play-by-play. Here are the Steelers' drives. Three-and-out punt, three-and-out or interception, three-and-out, three-and-out punt, three-and-out punt. And then at the end of the first half, they had a 12-play-95-yard drive for a touchdown.

Then it was four-plays punt, three-plays-punt. So the first five drives of the game were three-plays, three-plays, three-plays, three-plays. and then he was exhausted because it was like, we just scored, we just got over here. Oh, the defense just got another three and out. By the way, I tell him, get used to it. You got one hell of a defense this year. And then lastly, Aaron Rogers put out the first comments

after the injury on Monday night. He said, I'm completely heartbroken and moving through all of the emotions, but deeply touched and humbled by the support and love. please keep me in your thoughts and prayers as I begin the healing process today. The night is darkest before the dawn, and I shall rise yet again. So I thought that there was a chance this was going to be it, but he's going to play next year. He is not going out this way. He was excited about this opportunity in New York.

New York ain't Green Bay. I understand what Green Bay fans are like, and I understand how they are propped up as, you know, heroes from Milwaukee, north to Green Bay and through Wauwakashaw and all of those places in Wisconsin. But it ain't New York. And he was on the verge, Tommy, and you know this, potentially becoming the biggest thing that Jets organization has had since Namath. I think he wants to experience winning in New York. He'll be 40, but he's coming back. I believe that. I think so, too.

He's a pretty stubborn guy. I don't think he wants to go out this way. You got Saturday night fever, maybe, at Merry Weather coming up this weekend. What do you got planned? Actually, a pretty quiet weekend. You know, nothing big plan this weekend. Very low-key. I'm still recovering from Spain.

Yeah, yeah. Well, feel better. I'll be back tomorrow. with a full football Friday show, smell test picks, keys to beating Denver, and Jay Gruden will be on the show with me. He will be on all season long on Fridays. All right, Tommy, thanks.

Thank you, boss.