The Kevin Sheehan Show - Commanders-49ers Talked; Terps-Hoyas On

Episode Date: June 25, 2024

Kevin and Thom today with a menu of excellence featuring Edmonton-Florida Game 7, lots of movie/tv talk, plenty on the Commanders including the Adam Schefter report that Washington and the 49ers talked Brandon Aiyuk trade, Jayden Daniels' discussion, power ranking disrespect, Terps-Hoyas to play starting in 2025, JJ Redick and a lot more. Download the PrizePicks app today and use code Sheehan for a first deposit match up to $100! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it. You don't need it. But you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Cheon Show. He is Kevin. Tommy's here. I am here. The show's presenting sponsor, as always, is Windo Nation.

Call them at 86690 Nation or head to Window Nation. We got this rating and review from original CP. He writes, after giving us five stars, he titles the review Tommy CGI. And then he just writes two words, feeling it. I'm stumped. CGI I would say would mean consumer graphic interface. It did way back in the day.

I don't know what that means. Do you have any clue as to what Tommy CGI means? Is it a reference to anything? No, I'm looking at the same thing. Computer generated imagery. Okay. I mean, I googled it, and no, I don't, but if it's a good thing, I'm it. Right.

I don't know what truculent mean, but if it's good, I'm that. That was one of the great Muhammad Ali lines with Howard Kosell. Muhammad, you being awfully truculent. I don't know what truculent mean, but if it's good, I'm that. Tommy CGI, feeling it. Thank you for the five stars. and the very short review. I think it's positive.

I think it is. I don't know. We got one from Boris. Go ahead. Yeah, no, you go ahead. Go ahead. No, you go ahead. I was just going to say we also got one from Boris Tech.

He gave us five stars. And he wrote that the title is impacted in Aruba and Orlando. I've been rocking with Kevin since the locker room days and news. on Tony's show. Yeah, that's a long time. I usually listen while working, making deliveries around DC. The problem is when I go on vacation, I fall behind and it takes a while to catch up, but not this time. My wife has been going to sleep earlier and earlier while on vacations. I'm a night person, so I need to occupy my time. So why not the podcast? I started this review in Aruba at the Seoul Beach

Music Festival on the balcony of the hotel overlooking a moonlit beach and blowing a J, the podcast is even better impacted. I bet it is. I bet it is, too. Maybe that's what CGI means.

Maybe different reviewer here. I was going to actually suggest to Boris that maybe if his wife falls asleep early and earlier, he can find better things to do than listen to this podcast. But hell, blowing a J and hanging out and looking over the balcony at a Soul Beach Festival. Music Festival sounds like a good idea. But anyway, thank you for the review. He says, I love the chemistry with Tom. It's really a lot of times like eavesdropping one of your

guy's phone conversations. It's great. Also love Doc. You two are hilarious. Last thing, since the sports calendar is going to be freeing up, which it is now, definitely after the hockey season is over, Tommy. Why don't you both agree on a Saturday or Sunday to watch the first episode of the Wire, Kevin, and Game of Thrones, Tom, and if either of you is not hooked after the first episode, we never have to mention the shows again. Come on, guys, let's go.

Give the people what they want. Peace, D.C. Thank you, Boris. That was a very nice review. Right. You know, Boris brings this up last night. There was one of these commercials on for that, the sequel series to Game of Thrones. Yes, House of Dragon.

Yeah, I said to my life, I said, this is so funny because I always used to tease Kevin about the dragons in the show. And what did they put the name in the title of the sequel? About Dragon. Yeah. It's a show that apparently is very good. I have not watched an episode. This first season was last summer. I just decided to pass on it. And now everybody's saying that you've got to get into it. And season two started, I think, two weeks ago or a week ago. I'm sure I'll get into it.

Well, I'm not going to be watching Game of Thrones. I'm watching a series now called Your Honor on Netflix with Brian Cranston. Okay. I'm interested. And he plays a judge in New Orleans. It's not good. I wouldn't recommend it because it's absurd and ridiculous. But I got so deep into it that I'm invested in the outcome now. But it's not good.

It's absurd. No, I can't believe, I mean, I feel bad for Brian Krantz because I, he's one of my favorite actors. Right. But it's ridiculous. It's like Abbott and Costello. you know, commit a hit-and-run accident. You know, speaking of New Orleans, this is a weird segue turn. But on TV the other night was that movie Double Jeopardy.

Have you ever watched that with Ashley Judd and Tommy Lee Jones? No, I never have. I like both of those people, though. So I've seen, I don't know, I bet many of you have seen this movie many times. but if you haven't, you know, it's definitely worth it. I think the movie came out in the 90s. I'm going to guess 1995 at some point. But the point here is that Ashley Judd was an absolute knockout.

I mean, she was beautiful. Have you seen her recently with all of the work she's had done? Oh, my God. I just don't understand. I shouldn't get into this. But when you get work done as a woman who's, you know, getting older and it doesn't go well, it's really unfortunate. She doesn't look anything like she looked. It's like a completely different person.

But in that movie, Smoke Show. Let me just point out two things on that. Yes. The movie ends in New Orleans, which is why I thought of it. But go, yeah, go ahead. The crime of having worked done, the worst for me is Helen Hunt. Helen Hunt was, I mean, a babe. First level, babe.

Let's not go nuts. No, come on. Twister was softcore porn. Oh, stop. She was, she was hot. And mad about you, I used to love watching that show just to watch her. okay and then she had worked on anything like she used i'm looking at it it's not good it did not go well oh it's not it's ruined her career she's not the same woman that's too sorry you know yeah now

actually judd when she probably made this movie yeah she was smoking hot yeah uh i met her i met her at camden yards she was waiting after a game for brady anderson and he introduced Duce me to her. Wow. Really? Yes. So that would have been in the 90s? Yes.

Right? Around this time. Yeah. He was at her spoken best, probably. You know, she married, hold on, I'm looking it up because I want to get the name right. Because I would not be able to pull it, but it was like a race car driver. Dario Frankeedy.

He was a race car driver. driver. I'm positive he was. I think he was in Indy 500s. And it looks like they are, well, good for them. They, nope, nope, they divorced in 2013, my fault. Maybe right about the time she started to have the work done. I don't know. That's awful to say she just doesn't look like the same person. And you see this a lot. And I just, I'm always like, God, you know what? You actually, would have been still how old is she it looks like she is 56 years old

she'd still be I'm sure beautiful I've been told I've read that and I'm going to assume it's true I mean it's different from women generally and particularly women in Hollywood women in the film industry

they don't get the roles that older men do right right so they Well, if the work doesn't go well, they're not getting any rolls. No, they're not. The movie's a good movie. Tommy Lee Jones has pretty much been great in everything he's ever done. Yeah.

Right? Yeah, but apparently he's a real dick. Oh, he is? I didn't know that. Yeah. Yeah. But he is good. I mean, if he's in a movie generally, I mean, he's made some clinkers.

He made a, I take a movie about a volcano. in downtown LA once or something like that. So he's made some clinkers. But, you know, Paul Newman has, they all did. But yeah, I think generally Tommy Lee Jones tells me it's going to be worth watching. I mean, I think the first movie I remember him being a significant character was the fugitive. And he was excellent, you know, playing what was the guy's name, Gerard, I think it was, or Gerard. He was great in that movie

He was great in that movie With Susan Sarandon And the kid It was one of the Grisham books I'm forgetting the name of the movie right now He was a district attorney And she ended up being the kids

The kids lawyer No country for old men He was great in I mean, Oh, yeah. Yeah. I'm forgetting any of the other. Those are the ones that come to Mike.

Do you ever see Lonesome Dove? I don't think I did see Lonesome Dove. Oh, my God. I know. Talk about great theories. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Robert Duval and Tommy Lee Jones.

Wow. One of the greatest things ever shown on network television. How long ago was that? Uh, I'm thinking in the 80s. in the mid to late 80s. Didn't he go to... Larry McMurtry? Didn't he go to, you know, like Princeton?

Didn't he go to an island? Isn't he like really smart? I think he went to, yeah, I think he played football. Yeah, I think he played football. Yale was it? Here, I'm pulling up. I think so. Hold on for one sec.

But you should watch Lonesome Dove. Okay. It's really a tremendous series. Jesus. Robert DeVal out of the best thing he's ever done. Oh, well, I mean, come on. There's, I mean, can we just start with the Godfather? That's the bet.

You're saying lonesome dove is the best thing he's ever done? The best thing Robert Duval has ever done. And he based his character in part on Sammy Ball. Really? Is there a football? Is there a football part of the show? No. But the whole Texan.

routine, the Texan, you know, he went and met with Sammy Baugh and spent a day with him, just to kind of absorb Baugh's Texas attitude, Texas persona. Do you know how old Tommy Lee Jones is? Take a guess. He went to Harvard, by the way. He went to Harvard. He went to Harvard. Yeah. I'm going to take 80. He's 77. I wouldn't have guessed 77, so you were, you were much closer than I, I think I would have guessed 70. But I remember seeing him in a movie. The first time I ever saw him was in a movie, I think, of the 70s called The Eyes of Laura Mars.

Very kind of an obscure movie. That's the first time I remember seeing it. Did you know this? I think I did know, I think I did know this. That he was part of that game that Harvard beats Yale 29-29. it's the most famous football game in Ivy League history. You know, Harvard came back. He was a part of that team and game.

But here's something I did not know. He was roommates with Al Gore at Harvard. I didn't know that. I didn't know that. I'm just looking through now his list. He was in Coal Miner's daughter. Yeah, he was the husband. Yeah.

JFK, of course. Yep, played Clay Shaw, fugitive, client, natural-born killers, men in black. You know, men in black, I know I saw it, but it didn't do a lot for me. Double Jeopardy. I mean, there's a lot of movies here, but I'm just going through the ones that I, no country for old men. All the men in black movies. Oh, that's right. He played Thaddeus Stevens in Lincoln.

He was outstanding in that movie. Yeah. Uh, he was in Jason Bourne. He was in one of the Batman movies with, uh, Jim Carrey played the Riddler, and he hated Jim Carrey. Couldn't stand him according to stories I've written. Really? Um, Carrie's a tremendously talented guy. He was on, okay, here, his early start, Tommy, is all television stuff.

He was on the soap opera One Life to Live for five years. years. That's basically where he got his start. That was my soap opera going to college at Scranton. Well, don't tell me. I mean, it was all my children from one to two o'clock, one life to live from two to three. And then General Hospital, you know, I was in college during the 80s when General Hospital wasn't just a soap opera. It was the most popular television show on TV with Luke and Laura. Yes. Because Laura.

He was on One Life to Live from 71 to 75, he was on an episode of Barnaby Jones, on an episode of Beretta, Charlie's Angels. I used to love Beretta. Robert Blake. I couldn't, oh, was that Robert Blake? I thought Robert Blake was on something else. I remember Charlie's Angels, of course.

Who was your favorite angel? I didn't watch Charlie's Angel. Well, did you have a favorite, Kate Jackson, Farah Fawcett? Jacqueline Smith and then of course Cheryl Ladd? You know, I could try to be cool and say somebody other than Farah Fawcett, but it would be Farrah Fawcett. Well, Farah Fawcett was the draw to the show. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I don't think Kate Jackson and Jacqueline Smith and Cheryl Ladd were even known commodities at that point, right? I think Farah Fawcett only did it one year, maybe. Was it only one year? up so big. Well, she, but she was so big before that because of the commercials. Yeah, I know. They're not, I mean, and the posters. With Joe, with Joe, name it.

With name it off, take it all off. Yes. Oh, my God. I mean, she was, you know, on every kid's wall on a poster. Now, I know. I had Cheryl Tees. I actually had a poster of Cheryl Teague's, not a fairer Fawcett. I had a poster of Charlie.

Hang in in my room Back to Helen Hunt for a moment You know that there's another Twister movie coming out this summer Yes, I know I know Is it's not That's what the world needs

Another Twister movie Well You know Hollywood If you ever listening To the fucking podcast I've got two movie scripts Brand new stories

Just sitting there Wait to be made Good stories You don't have to make The same fucking movie Every 15 or 20 years Well, he's so angry today. Once we start talking movies, he loves going down memory lane, but then it's just a reminder of the scripts that he's written that he can't get anybody to read.

I bet your movies would be great. They would. I'm telling you, everyone who I've given them to read. You haven't given them to me? Like people, no, I haven't given them to you. But I didn't invite me to. Like, I've given them to my people who are like directors of play. and stuff like that.

They said it's great. Stories are great. I had another guy who was an entrepreneur, and he read it, and he felt like standing up at the end and wanted a movie of the last page and Cherin. It's good movies. I'm sure they are.

Better than Twister 2. But is it Twister 2, or is it just a new twister? It's just a new twist. Okay. Is it called? Twister? No, I think it's called Twisters. Well, maybe, remember when Twister used to be a game that you played?

Of course. Of course. With the, you know, with the colored dots all over the place. The colored dots and you try to reach, you know? For junior high, that was as close to sex as some of it's got. That's true. That's true. When you're in middle school playing Twister, that got, you know, that got to be a lot of fun. You wanted to make sure the cute girls were in game with you. The guy in Twisters, which comes out this summer, it comes out on July 19th. Glenn Pals in it, you know, the guy that was, I mean, Glenn Palsman in several things, but I think most recently he was in Top Gun, the remake of Top Gun, which actually I thought was a very good movie. I thought that was very well done. Of course, Jennifer Connolly was in it and she looked

great. But back to the reason I brought up Twister is because and Helen Hunt again, is because they've been showing Twister a lot on TV recently. Because this movie's coming out, I'm sure. Helen Hunt is not, she's fine. She's like the definition of girl next door. No, no, no, no, no. I mean, I get what you mean. She's not traditionally beautiful.

She's cute with an edge, I think. Like Sally Fields is not beautiful. Right. But she's hot because she's cute. Right. You know? Helen Hunt falls closer to that category. But I think just a little bit step beyond that.

It's kind of, it's actually kind of, yeah. It's kind of like the way I think we both feel about Pam, about Jenna Fisher. It's kind of the same thing. Very girl next door, cute. But it's the overall thing that makes it work a little bit, although she's actually got a decent body. You know the overall thing about Pam that makes it work a little bit. Come on. Let's be serious here. She's blessed. Exactly. That's what I just said. She's got a much better body. Right?

Yes. She was blessed. Yes. She was. She was. So that's the overall thing that makes it work for Pam. Right. Yeah, bless her. Bless her heart and everything near it. Yeah. All right. Okay, what else do we have on movies and shows and anything? Thank you, Boris, for the recommendation. Tom's never going to do something he's asked to do by everybody.

The only way he'll ever watch Game of Thrones is if we do what we need to do with a child, which is say, I bet you won't watch it. There's no way you'll watch it. I'll bet you a lot of money you won't watch it. And then he'll probably watch it at some point. I will watch The Wire. It's my middle son's number one request of me. Anytime we talk about movies or shows, he's like, what are you doing?

Why are you watching baby reindeer instead of watching the first episode of The Wire, which would hook you immediately? Good, good point. Did you watch the hockey last night? You know, I watched the seventh game of the NHL Stanley Cup finals last night. So did I. I did. So what did you think?

Well, this ought to be fun. So we're going to talk about the hockey game? Yes, we are. It was the seventh game of the Stanley Cup finals. Okay. Hold on. Hold on for a second. Do you think that it's something that we shouldn't discuss on the show?

It doesn't rise to the level of a June 25th podcast, which is supposed to be about sports to a certain degree? I think we should talk about it. That's why I watched it. Because I knew that you would want to talk about it. But I recognize, and everybody who listens to this podcast regularly probably recognizes the limitations of the scope of what we can discuss. Yes. Yeah. Okay.

No doubt. All right. Yeah. That's what I mean. I mean, you know. I get it. I could sit there and say, you know, Florida had, had what I'd like to say is enough traffic in front of the goal.

Yeah, that's your favorite. You have gotten that first goal, you know, that that shot that was in the air that the guy, you know, flicked into the goal, that was pretty cool. And then I don't know what happened after that. Connor McGrath, McDavid, you know, it was pretty invisible for being the best player on the ice. And I think it was a two to one game. Stop, stop.

You're done. You did it. That's enough. We don't, no one's expecting us to do a list of the things we liked and the things we didn't like. And, you know, no one's expecting that from this conversation. just what did you think watching the game? Because there were other observations that had nothing to do with the strategy or the X's and O's, which at one point my son who was home last night,

he just said, do you think they have actual plays that they set up? He watched the whole game start to finish with me. And he was excited about it because he said he had watched one of the games in Edmonton and he's like, my God, it is so important to those people. And he was rooting for Edmonton. And from that standpoint, I was to, because it, like Florida, come on. But in Edmonton, in the northernmost outpost of North America, basically, with any population, this is everything to them.

But he said, do you think they have plays? Or is everybody just kind of going to the puck or keeping spacing? I'm like, I don't know. but I would think, of course, they have plays. Like, there are plays that they set up. You can see in the power play that there are plays that they run. You can see off of a face-off. They run plays.

Yeah, they run plays. But it is a random sport in action, in terms of action. Yeah, but hitting and skating, you can tell create opportunities, and the more opportunities you get, you know, randomness becomes a little bit less. I thought the intensity of the game right from the start. First of all, Alonis Morset sang both the Canadian National Anthem and the National Anthem. She did a great job.

And although it was a little bit off, I don't know if it was on your screen. What was so wild about that is you could just tell how many Edmonton fans were in that arena. and were so juiced up. It was like when she was singing the Canadian National Anthem, if you didn't know, you would have thought, wow, Game 7 and Edmonton, that's pretty cool. And then the Florida fans, you know, came up big during the national anthem.

I just thought the intensity start to finish was great. I think Sean McDonough is just incredible to listen to, do play-by-play of anything. But, man, hockey, he's great. Like they've had great, you know, lead play-by-play guys, Doc Emmerich for all those years. And now Sean McDonough with the hockey product on ABC ESPN. Let me just say, I think Kenny Albert is a better play-by-play guy. You do?

Okay. You might be right. I mean, I think Sean's great, though. You think he's good, don't you? Yeah. No, I mean, he was good, yeah. Yeah, my favorite would be Kenny Albert in the limited times I've seen, you know, national games. other than watching Joe B, who is our favorite period.

Of course, yeah. But I thought the intensity start to finish, the hitting, the opportunities that just, you know, hit posts or went off of a skate. It seemed like to me, it seemed like to me that Edmonton after the first period probably had a better overall opportunity. to score more often than Florida did, but they didn't. And Florida got that, you know, they got the go-ahead. After a near goal by Edmonton, they got the go-ahead goal and they hung on for dear life.

I hated the way the game ended with the puck never coming out of that corner. I wanted to see at least one with the goaltender pulled one shot on goal from Edmonton at the end, but we didn't get that. But I don't know. I thought it was pretty intense. I thought you saw two teams with that kind of urgency that you loved to see in a game seven. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it was. It was tight.

Two to one game seven. And I wanted Edmonton to win because, I mean, this is Canada's game, and they haven't won a Stanley Cup in over 30 years, I think. I think they haven't won a Stanley Cup. about the same time that Florida got into the hockey business. Oh, I bet it's been, I bet, 93 was when Montreal last won the cup, the last Canadian team to win the cup. And when did the Florida Panthers start?

I would bet after 93, don't you think? Okay. I think, I think right around 93. Here, I'm going to look at the final NHL standings, the 92-93 NH3. standings. They've got to have them somewhere, don't they? Let's see if there were any Florida teams in the league. No Florida Oh, Tampa Bay Lightning. They were in the league.

The Florida Panthers were not in the league. The Tampa Bay Lightning were in the league, and I bet they didn't start much. I mean, I don't know what they are as a franchise. Lightning history, their first year in the league. Florida Panthers were found in 1993. Yeah, Tampa Bay Lightning played their

The 92-93 season, which was the last time a Canadian team won Montreal, that was Tampa Bay's first year in the NHL and the first Florida team in the NHL. And you're saying Florida came in the next year, 93-94? Yeah. It says they were founded on Wikipedia. They were founded in 93. The Quebec Nordiques were still in the league. The Hartford Whalers were still a team.

I was pretty accurate with that. It seems like the two things seem to coexist. And, you know, here's the other thing. What? I mean, don't you think, look, my personal opinion, I'd live in Canada if it wasn't cold. I'd like Canada. Okay.

I spend a lot of time up there. Yeah. And I like Canadians. I like Canada. It's so cold. I don't have a problem with Canadians or Canada. I think Vancouver's, one of the most beautiful cities in North America.

I've been there a couple of times. I think Toronto is a phenomenal city. Montreal, you know, it's fine, I guess. Montreal is my favorite North American city. Really? I like Toronto more than Montreal. Oh, my God. I love Montreal.

The two times or three times that I've been to Montreal, Loblaws was a supermarket chain in Canada that I spent some time with, and Safeway, by the way. I spent time in Calgary, Tommy. I think I did like four or five trips to Calgary in the 90s. A couple of those times during the winter where you had to plug your battery, your car battery, into an outlet in the parking lot. It was that cold.

But Montreal a couple of times I've been, it's been brutally cold. Yeah. That's why I mean. If it wasn't for the cold, it'd be a great place to live. What's that red light district in Montreal called? I'm sure you know it. Oh, I wouldn't be familiar with that. I know the historic district.

You know who's from Montreal? He's a man of history. You know who's from Montreal? Ben Reby from the Caps Radio Network. Ben's such a good guy. But he's not French-Canadian. He's American, English-speaking Canadian. which is not a big part of Montreal.

Yeah, my experience in Montreal and Quebec, which is a fabulous city and a great vacation, I highly recommend it to anybody, if I go into Europe, is that if the French Canadians know you're American, they have no problem speaking English to you. If they think you're a Canadian speaking English, then they have a problem. Interesting. It's Quebec City, though, because the province is Quebec. Right? Yeah, Quebec City. Yeah. Okay.

I enjoyed the hockey game last night. That's all I got. I enjoyed it. I thought the intensity was great. I'm a big Sean McDonough fan, whatever he does. What's her face? Is it Emily Kaplan? God, I had her on the show not that long ago. Emily Kaplan, who does the interviews on the ice. I find her to be really interesting from this perspective. When you're in that position, in that role, you're taught, I'm pretty sure I've never been that person,

but I think Scott and other people have told me this, that you, the questions are super short and you get out of the way. And my God, she's been coached up well on that because each question she asks, seems like the average number of words in the sentence is three. And she just lets them go. And I've watched her a couple of times during the postseason, but much more last night, because I think that was the first game since the Caps games, which seemed like now four months ago when they lost to the Rangers in the first round in a sweep. But she just asks the shortest.

I mean, you talk about brevity. She got that part of the instructions. on the job. She was actually an excellent guest. You don't want to be long-winded. No, not in that role. It shows that you're nervous and it gets in the way of what you're trying to

get in the way of an answer. Yep. And here's what you don't want to do. You don't want to do, what's her name? Carissa Thompson? Carissa Thompson, yes. Carissa Thompson, who admitted, what, a few months ago,

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but there is some breaking news, which will change our final segment of the show today. So stay tuned for that. Adam Schaefter reported yesterday on one of the NFL live shows on ESPN that Washington and San Francisco had discussed a trade involving Brandon Ayyuk. Brandon Ayuk, by the way, was seen with Jaden Daniels over the weekend. There were social media pictures of the two of them shopping, I think at Tyson's Corner.

They're very good friends. They played together at Arizona State. Jaden Daniels talked about what a good friend Brandon Ayuk was and how he had leaned on him during the draft process. Well, Schaefter reported yesterday, Tommy, quote, there were some conversations at one point between the 49ers and commanders. Commanders were interested, but they decided not to do that deal, closed quote. Then Ryan Clark from ESPN on his podcast, The Pivot, talked about how the 49ers and IUC had a meeting set up for yesterday. He reported that.

But he also in the process of talking about and talking to Brandon Ayuk about the meeting that he wanted to schedule with the 49ers, pointed out that he said, quote, I will tell you this. When he sat with us, he did not walk into the room alone. First it was Brandon Ayuk. Second, it was Jaden Daniels. I'm not a T-leaf reader, but it seems like Ayuk wouldn't mind playing. in Washington, closed quote. So back to Schefter.

You know, it's Shefter, so I'm assuming that Washington and San Francisco talk trade for Brandon Ayuk. I don't know when it happened. It's not specific as to whether or not it happened pre-draft or since the draft. But I'll just keep coming back to what I've said since we've said since we've had this conversation. there's no chance in hell if I'm the San Francisco 49ers that I am trading Brandon Ayyuk for a second round pick or a third round pick

or a second and a fifth round pick or a third and a fourth round pick. I'm trying to win the Super Bowl in 2024. I was within a whisker of winning it last year. My coach may have made the wrong decision with the new overtime rules in the Super Bowl, and that may have cost us. I have less of a chance of winning the Super Bowl without Brandon Ayuk on my roster than I do with him on the roster.

I just personally think the 49ers and Iuk will work something out. And if they don't, the 49ers are going to tell them, you know, we'll handle this next year. You still have a year left on your rookie deal. Let's go win the Super Bowl. I just don't see the 49ers trading him. No, I don't either. like you said, there's a sense of urgency to have something to show for the team that they've built in San Francisco. So I don't see them just letting him go either.

But it is interesting that corner Shepter, Washington said no, right? Yeah. That's, yeah, I mean, here's the quote. There were some conversations at one point between the 49ers and commanders, speaking about Brandon Ayyuk, commanders were interested, but they decided not to do that deal. I mean, again, like, was it a deal before the draft? You know, because at that point, you know, the 49ers would have probably had a chance to get, you know, maybe. Look, the timing of this is important because if I'm Washington and I am interested in Brandon Ayuk, I'm waiting.

I'm not doing a deal right now. I'm waiting until it gets painful for the 49ers because he's already missed all of the offseason activity. You get to training camp and he's not there and he wants to be traded, they are losing leverage, you know, theoretically. So if Washington is interested, which, by the way, I think they should be interested,

I wouldn't do the deal right now. I wouldn't have done the deal, you know, prior, to the draft, I'd be looking at future compensation and the least amount of future compensation. And I get that if the 49ers are desperate. But Washington may not be the only team that would be in the mix for him. No doubt. But it's the team that he might want to play for. Right.

I mean, if I'm him, I'm playing for the team that's going to give me the biggest contract and give me the biggest opportunity. And there are other teams. like the Pittsburgh Steelers, who are in need of another receiver to put side by side with George Pickens. Again, I think all of this is going to be a conversation we look back on when we get to August and say, yeah, he was never leaving and they were never going to trade him. Yeah, that's probably true. But, you know, I went back and for a column for the Mars in the Mars, Washington Times. Yeah.

You know, and we've talked about this before, all the accolades and all the flowers being thrown to Jaden Daniels based on a couple of OTAs in one mini-camp. You know, Jeremy Fowler talked about how the team could be scary. Yeah. You know, that's always meant something else. Yes. True. It wouldn't be scary. Scary meant something different.

but I went back and I looked at 2012, the same time period, a lot of the same quotes about RG3, a lot of the same things. I mean, almost verbatim, some of them. You know, they're just raving about them, you know, based on a couple of OTAs and a mini-camp. And what I also discovered is, I mean, you kind of refreshed my memory, is I read in a Washington Post story that the team went out and signed Pierre Garsohn

and Josh Morgan, and Morgan did not turn out to be a good signing, but Garsohn did, to give their rookie quarterback support, the support that he would need, the weapons that he would be able to have until he could thrive. Well, this Washington front office

doesn't seem interested in doing that. Yeah, let's not forget, too, that that off-season was when they got hit with the salary cap violations of $36 million. You know, right before free agency began. Right. And they had already made the trade with the Rams. I mean, you remember, Shanahan essentially said if we knew we were going to get fined, it was $36 million, right? $36 million. would have never done the trade with the rants.

But they still manage to sign Garsohn. Right. To a contract. Right. And we talked about this before. You can't underestimate the impact Garsohn had on Griffin that year. I don't think people understand what a big impact he was. I just pointed out that Iyuk would be maybe that guy for your rookie quarterback, you know, to help him thrive.

and right now, you know, he's, as the way it's set up, he's going to have to play the hands. He's been dealt. Yeah, he does have Terry McLaren here. I know. I'm not diminishing Terry McLaurin, but I don't think anyone could argue that they could certainly upgrade their receiving corps. I mean, after Terry McLaurin, it's all question mark. Yeah, I'm pulling up the 2011 roster. Santana Moss was on it, and Santana Moss was on it.

and Santana Amos was on the 2012 roster, but he was getting older. The other receivers were guys like Jabar Gaffney, and they had Fred Davis at tight end. No, it's a really good point, and that's absolutely why they went out and got Pierre Garsohn and got Josh Morgan. They wanted to give him weapons. But look, the single biggest help to Robert Griffin III in 2012 was Mike and Coch. We're Mike and Kyle, Shanahan. I know that.

But the offense that they put. Yeah. But I understand what you're saying, and I talked about this yesterday. You know, the Jeremy Fowler stuff, by the way, he was quoting scouts and executives around the league. I know. You know, are now talking about, oh, my God. I mean, this could be scary, Washington with Jaden Daniels, because he's not, you know, just a running quarterback. He's a polished thrower, which, you know, some of us have been talking about since October.

when people wanted to just say he was Lamar Jackson or just a running quarterback. I think it's, I mean, I asked Ben this yesterday on radio. There's not been even one slight or mild criticism of Jaden Daniels since the draft. You know, the last time we heard anything remotely negative was Top Golf. Yeah. Since then, Gerard Mayo in New England has said about Drake May long way to go. In Chicago, there were reports that Caleb Williams was really struggling, you know, early on. Jaden Daniels, it's one after another.

You know, the Lewis Riddick stuff from two weeks ago, I mean, they're already feeling like they need to be accountable to this quarterback, his leadership. You know, the whole thing. Look, you know me and you know how much I love Jaden Daniels. It wouldn't shock me if it's totally true and I'm excited about it. But I wonder where it's coming from. Is it coming from, and this is what I asked Ben yesterday and I'll ask you, is this coming from the team's front office and the coaching staff in an effort, not because they don't believe it, but in an effort to really market the team

and get people excited about Daniels in the upcoming season because they do have tickets to sell. Or is it just so overwhelmingly obvious how great this guy is for a rookie that everybody's saying it. Players, because Terry McCorn was on with Scott the other night, and he was so complimentary. Look, Terry McCorn was super complimentary of Sam Howell last year, too.

Let's not forget that. But do you think it's just that it's, so obviously true, or do you think that there's a mix of, we got to get people pumped up about the upcoming season? You know, that's really good because, you know, either one could be right. I think players are reacting to the very small sample size that they've seen, and I think they're overreacting to it, but they're being asked to say something. about the quarterback.

And I think it was, I think it was Rick Spielman who said on a podcast, why do you expect them to say? They're not going to say he's dog shit. Right. You know? No, you're not going to say

that, certainly not in this organization, but, I mean, Tommy, every other other, the other two quarterbacks that were taken before him and just after him, there have been you know, some concerns at various times here. And with Jaden Daniels, point to one even mild criticism.

You're right. You're right. You're right. I mean, my column, it doesn't necessarily diminish what is being said. It's just, we've heard this before. And the ending isn't always as nice as the beginning. and there are a little bit differences, like I pointed out, with the receiving core. To that point, at LSU, he had the best receivers in the country.

Two number one picks, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, of course, Brian Thomas Jr. Malik neighbors, yes. But I... Right. At Arizona State, there were issues. I know that.

But, you know, one of the things his mother went on social media complained about was the receivers running the wrong roots and letting them down. Oh, God. Here we go back to his mother. Yeah, I... So I'm just saying, I'm just saying, you know, this guy, which is not unreasonable for a rookie quarterback, may need more help. Yeah, but are you writing a column that suggests that the Shanahan's went out and got. RG3 more help than Washington is currently getting Jaden Daniels? Yes.

I think that there wasn't a Terry McLorne there in 2012, and that's why they went out and got Pierre. I think that you could make the case that Terry McCorn, Jehan Dodson, and even a veteran tight end like Zach Ertz as part of the mix, and in Austin Echler, are very much an effort to give Jade and Daniels, you know, either something he's already gotten, McLaren and Dotson, hopefully. But, and they drafted Luke McCaffrey, who they're very high on at the end of, you know, at the end of the third round.

So the other thing is just that this, you know, we joked last week, we were doing the show of lists. And, you know, there's more lists and there's more rankings always this time of year. but like Yahoo's got their power rankings, you know, coming out like two teams at a time. Washington was 29th. Pro football talk had them 29th. ESPN just came out this morning with their roster rankings. Washington's roster is ranked 30th. And I just, I wonder whether or not, I'll ask the question for both of us to answer.

Do we think it's earned or deserved, however you want to phrase it, you know, them, you know, looking like going into the season that nobody believes that they're going to have a good season in 2024? But do we believe that it's accurate? Well, we've been through this so many times before where the national media basically takes a big crap on this team's roster. and commanders fans get all up in arms, you know. It's happened too many times for me to say they're not right. Until Washington proves that group of prognosticators, you know, wrong. I'm going to fit. If ESPN and CBS and everyone else is saying they stink, then they stink.

So do you think it'll be asked? So you think it's earned, deserved, and it will be accurate? Yes. So you think they'll end up being like, basically just so you know, a power ranking of like 29th means they're going to win like three or four games, maybe five. I could see five games. Okay.

By the way, last year's kind of ESPN, all too early power rankings, the worst team in the league was Houston. They won a division. Indianapolis, they nearly made the playoffs, was like 29th or 30th. I mean, these things are never, I mean, it's the NFL. I mean, it's so hard to predict this. A, I do think that until they prove otherwise, to your point,

they were a 4 and 13 team last year. They were horrible, and it was an ugly 4 and 13. But I think if you're putting them there, you're actually missing a lot. The first thing you're missing is that the coaching, you know, regime has changed. The front office has changed. And last year's regime, even though the ownership had changed, it was just a lame duck season for everybody in that front office for the most part,

and certainly everybody on the coaching staff. And the season in many ways was doomed before it started. Look, they had a top 10 defense the year before in 2020. number nine per DVOA. Last year they were 31st. They had, you know, they started a guy that, with all due respect to Sam Howell, did not prove anything against Dallas in the season ender in 2022 and should not have been handed the job. Eric B. Enemy should not have been hired as the offensive coordinator. Nobody in the league other than Washington wanted him. The season was doomed. The coaching change alone is going to make this team more competitive, more cohesive,

more professional in 2024. Then they've added defensive personnel, and I think the likes of Bobby Wagner's experience, and by the way, if he plays like he did last year, Louvo, Chin, to me, there's a real likelihood that the defense is going to be much improved. That's not not a big leap. I understand that because they were so bad last year, but you got a defensive head coach, you've got better personnel. I see the defense improving enough so that they're not near the bottom of the league in 2024. And then the wild card, of course, is what if Jaden Daniels isn't the typical rookie quarterback playing well and then playing poorly and then playing really good and then playing really badly.

You know, what if he is, C.J. Stroud? So they've earned based on last year's, you know, team and basically, you know, what they've been for a long period of time, for national publications to kind of think poorly of them. But I think they're not paying attention enough. I think this is a vastly different operation. And I'm not suggesting that they're going to be. a Houston Texans team in 2024. But Denton and I did this a few weeks ago on radio,

and I'll ask you this if I haven't done this already. Maybe we did this on the podcast. But if I told you, I think we did do this, if I told you that they either won 10 games or four games, which is more likely? Four. Yeah, you did say four. We did do this, and I said 10.

I just can't. I don't see you. Of course they could win four. They could have lots of injuries. Jaden Daniels could stink. And it's not like Marcus Mario dais, you know, a big time, you know, answer. Although he's, you know, not that much different than Jacoby Brissette, really. Yeah, I don't know.

It's power rankings in June. The NFL is. Right. That's what it is. It's June NFL fodder. Yeah. Rich Eisen. But there has been a remarkable amount of.

positive reaction to a very small sample size. Well, yeah, I mean, you know, I'd prefer to go all doc on this one and just say that, I mean, I'm not saying anything until they start to play tackle football, you know? Tackle football means pads and hitting. But, yeah. Daniel Jeremiah was on Rich Eisen's podcast, and the two of them both picked Washington as one of their five breakout teams. And Jeremiah, so this was actually a positive view of the upcoming season.

And Jeremiah said they've got some weapons there. Offensive line, they've got bodies to fill all those holes. That's my one. Let's wait and see on the offensive line. I have some reservations there. But he said the other side of this is not player driven. It's coach driven. When was the last time you saw Dan?

Quinn defense that didn't punch above its weight. Well, the answer to that would be the playoff game against Green Bay when they gave up 40 plus points. But then he said, they're going to be playing with their hair on fire, playing so hard, squeezing every drop of talent they can out of that group. I think he's going to get more out of that defense than people are expecting, closed quote. By the way, Eisen shot back. Actually, the last time I saw that out of a Dan Quinn defense was the last game he coordinated for the Dallas Cowboys, which was the playoff game. I agree with that. That's the one thing right now. I mean, I'm a big Jaden Daniels guy, and I'm confident. But the thing I feel most confident about for the upcoming season is that

the defense will be significantly improved. And again, it's not that big of a leap because it was so bad last year. Right. Anything's possible. Anything is possible, Kevin Garnett once said. Speaking of Kevin Garnett, you know what movie was on the other night? Uncut Gems. Did you see that? I've seen that before. Did you like that? No.

Why didn't... Adam, what's it? Samler. Adam Sandler. Samler's character. Why? It's just too much. Just too intense. He was intense. You know, for 90 minutes or two hours of that?

you know, I don't need that. There are a lot of guys in the Diamond District that are probably just like that. The gambling part of it, of course, was hysterical. It was a good movie. People liked it, but it wasn't for me. I'm with you. It wasn't the greatest movie I've ever seen. But Kevin Garnett was in it, and anything is possible, Tommy. Anything is possible. All right, there is some news to discuss that's just broken.

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I've talked a lot of times on the podcast. about their specials. Shelly's backroom, the cigar bar, at 1331 F Street, Northwest, which is also a great food place to eat as well. And I've talked about their specials, and now they appear to be, instead of doing daily specials, they appear to be doing specials for the week, okay? At least that's what they're posting on their Facebook page,

and you can follow Shelly's on their Facebook page and Twitter as well. and they've got one of your favorites, I think, the Cuban burger this week. Love the Cuban burger. And what they do, they've got this custom blend of Angus Groundchuck, beef short ribs, and beef brisket that they blend together into a burger. You know, so it's not your typical burger. It's not the burger that you're going to get on the grill somewhere. This is especially handmade, uh, uh,

Cuban burger here with porkloin slice, Swiss cheese, and Dijon Mayo served with fries. You know, that's it. And I know, I like Cuban burgers, maybe not as much as you do. They also have the bacon, mushroom chicken melt. I'm telling you all this, because I can't emphasize you how good the food is there. It's not something that you would think of right away, but it's a great place to eat. I've eaten there with my wife who doesn't like cigar smooth. Right.

But you don't even notice it in there because they have a state-of-the-art air ventilation system. So it's a comfortable place to bring your significant other for dinner or for a late-night meal after you've been out. You remember the old days of going to the diner at one in the morning? Yeah. You know, well, now you can go to Shelly's and do it because you've stepped up. You're not that kid anymore. You're grown man. It's time to act like a grown man.

Kelly's back from 131 F Street, Northwest. Yeah. The food really is good at Shelley's, too. That's really important because I think some people listen to this and say, well, it's a cigar bar, not for me, if they're not big into cigars. First of all, you barely even notice the cigar smoke because the ventilation's so great. But the food's great, and the atmosphere is really neighborhood. is, you know.

And look, if you like to do what Tommy does, which you just sit outside and watch people are actually working for a living, it's a great day. A great day. All right, we've got some news that is just broken. Maryland and Georgetown

will resume their rivalry that's never been. But no, Maryland and Georgetown just announced that they will begin a series in 2025. So not this upcoming season, but in the fall, early winter of 2025. The first game will be at Xfinity Center in College Park, then it'll go to Capital One, then in 2027, it'll be back in College Park. In 2008, it will be back at Capital One Arena. Maryland and Georgetown have an actual, you know, scheduled four straight

years of playing each other in men's basketball. This is a big deal. But Tommy, you know how many times have we talked about this since we've been doing shows together? A hundred times, at least. And you remember just the arguments that I would get into in the bullpen with coach Thompson about this or in studio. Go ahead. You were going to say something.

But Kevin, is it a big thing? deal anymore? So that's what I wanted to say. So, okay. First of all, let me just, for those that don't know the history of this, Maryland and Georgetown played every single year from like the 1920s or 1930s until 1980. It was a true, you know, city rivalry game. Georgetown, Maryland, Maryland played everybody locally, and Georgetown played a lot of teams locally. And Georgetown played a lot of teams locally. But in 1979, December of 1979 at the D.C. Armory, Coach Thompson and Lefty got into a big heated argument on the court right at the

scores table during the game. And it was at that moment that their relationship was not very good at all. The two behemoth programs in Georgetown was still rising. Maryland was the big dog, always. and especially when lefty got there clearly. And they played that game. Georgetown won that game. And then later that year, Tommy,

they played in the Sweet 16 in Philadelphia's Spectrum. And Georgetown won that game as well to advance to the Elite 8. And then that was it. Georgetown cut it off. And they didn't play it for 13 years after playing for basically 50 years every year. John Thompson, we know coach and new coach so well, and God rest his soul. And by the way, just as a quick aside, you know, I think I mentioned this on the podcast yesterday. I did mention it on the radio show, and I had, you know, had Doc on the radio show today to talk about Butch McAdams.

Most of you probably know by now that Coach McAdams passed away suddenly over the weekend, 31 years a coach at Moray, a teacher at Moray, and just a fixture as a teacher at Marais, and just a fixture as a guest on 980 for so many years on Doc and Coach's show, on Doc Coach and Al's show, on Doc Coach and Brian's show. Just an incredible resource of DMV basketball knowledge. I mean, a true historian. And anyway, I'm sure that... He would have me on his WOL radio station.

I always love going on with him. he'll be missed by a lot of people. He will be missed. A couple of people asked me, he said, why didn't you have him on? You know, it was one of those things that I think sometimes when somebody is such a fixture on another show on the station like he was with coach and with Doc,

it's, you know, he's their guest. You know, it's just like Scott would never have gone on another show on our station, all those years, you know, because everybody knew that Scott was one of my best friends and, and, you know, for years, and he was a fixture on our show every week for years when it was set up that way. But anyway, I loved listening to Coach McAdams.

I loved when he was at this station, but he was a true historian. Anyway, I can only imagine he and Lefty and Coach Thompson up in heaven. talking about Maryland playing Georgetown. And Coach McAdams trying to tell Coach Thompson, it's okay, this will be a good thing. Because Big John never wanted it. Never wanted it. I found this quote, by the way.

Let me real quickly. So it died in 1980. For one game in 1993, because Georgetown got paid a bunch of money. They played Maryland at U.S. Air Arena. It was on the day after Thanksgiving. Maryland was coming off probation. It was Gary's first big win. They upset Georgetown on a Dwayne Simkin shot in overtime. And, you know, there were, the Capitol Center, USA Arena,

held 19,00035. There were about 17,500 there, Tommy. 13,000 of them were Maryland fans. It was a Maryland home court advantage. And, you know, John was never going to return the favor and play. in college park. And so from that moment on, Gary's like, well, if you're not coming here, the next game, if we ever play is going to be, you know, in college park. It's going to be a Cole Fieldhouse. It's not going to be back at U.S. Air Arena when, in fact, Maryland had home court advantage there as well.

But anyway, they played in the Sweet 16 in 2001. That was their next head-to-head matchup. and Maryland won that game on their way to a final four. They played accidentally in a Thanksgiving or holiday tournament in a losers bracket in Orlando in 2008. Georgetown won that game. And then Mark Turgeon and JT3, who were friends and it actually coached together, they renewed a two-year Gavit game made for TV in 2015 and 2016. and won both of those games. I mean, the atmospheres at Xfinity and then at Capital One were

incredible, but they haven't played since. But when Ed Cooley got hired by Georgetown last year, he and Kevin Willard are friends. They coached against each other in the Big East for many years. They promised to make this happen. And it's here. They're going to play starting in 2025. But you asked me, is it as big of a deal? No, it's not as big of a deal anymore. because this is a professional sports town. It's so much more of a pro sports town than it was when this would have mattered a lot. Tommy, this is still going to be a big deal, especially if both teams are good. You know, and for the fan bases of the two schools, and you know this, D.C. is a basketball town,

and these are the two big boys in town, and they should have been playing. all of these years. No one will ever talk me out of that this was bad for the area for these two schools not to be playing each other on an annual basis. But no, it's not what it would have been 15 years ago. You know, it's a pro sports town. Maryland basketball isn't as significant as it once was. Not to mention they haven't been great, you know, like they were during Gary's era. Georgetown, been terrible. Yes. And so it could be a big deal, and it will be, you know,

this is still going to be locally a top five to top ten event on the sports calendar every year. But hell, 15 years ago, this would have been second to Cowboys Redskins. Oh, yeah. Anyway. I'm excited about it, though. I know you're excited. You should be excited.

I'm glad they're going to be excited. do this. Here's one thing I want to emphasize for the Maryland people that are listening and even the Georgetown people that are listening, because I know a lot of Maryland people that listen to this podcast, do not play this game at the wrong time. This game should, any TV deal that says you've got to play on Sunday during football season, don't take the money. If you play this game in this city, and by the way, Baltimore is part of the Maryland fan base, which means Ravens fans too. If you play this game on a 1 o'clock or a 2 o'clock on a Sunday afternoon because ESPN is paying you a bunch of money or FS1's paying you a bunch of money, you can kiss the importance of that game goodbye.

You cannot play this game on Sundays during football season. Okay, you're not that important. The football team in this town and the football team, team in Baltimore. You will lose Maryland fans will lose most of your fan base if that game is played on a Sunday. This game should be played on a Friday night. Eight o'clock start. Don't start the game at 6.30. You can't get anywhere in this town on a weeknight at 630. This game should be played on a Saturday, that December, Saturday where Army plays Navy at noon, and then there's the Heisman Trophy presentation, but there's no other college football. And it's

become kind of a college basketball day. You play that thing at four in the afternoon or six at night on national TV on that day. Don't play this game on Sundays during football season or on a weeknight at 6.30 or 7 o'clock. Other than that, I'm excited about it. It's good news. Kevin was going to get this done, and he and Ed Cooley told him. They promised they would get this done, and they did. You wanted to say something about JJ Reddick being hired by the Lakers. What was it? Well, you saw it's press conference, right?

I did. No, I didn't. I read some of the quotes and heard some of the quotes. I didn't watch it. Let me just say that I found a reason to watch the NBA again. Okay. To watch JJ Reddick fall flat on his face. I haven't had a good hate in a long time of a professional sports figure.

But I've got one work. I'm working on one now with JJ Redick. So what bothered you? The part where he used a couple of expletives and said, you know, give me the quote that turned you off. Well, basically where he's, you know, a reasonable question. He said it was a reasonable question. He said, I don't give a fuck.

You know, I don't expect my coach, a coach in the NBA to do that. You know, plus he's an arrogant, he was such an arrogant prick. You know, I mean, he dissed all the players that came before him. He called them all cab drivers and truck drivers. You know, so I can't wait for this guy to fall on his face. He called, wait, say that again, he called who, truck drivers and, are you, is metaphorical? The guys like Havletcheck and that era of players. Oh, oh, yeah.

They're all, they're all truck driving. Oh, yeah, yeah. You're talking about the stuff that he did with Stephen A and the argument. Like he would get on the fucking court then. Well, you don't, I don't want to start that conversation with you right now. So there is no doubt he is fond of himself. No question about it. I think that's the biggest risk to this not working is that he's the smartest guy in the room just ask him.

And he's been that. You're right in media. Now, I will tell you, I think he really does know the game. And I've gotten into some, and I've listened to some of the podcast with Ian LeBron, and it's really smart, good basketball conversation. The answer that you're talking about, he was essentially asked about the misconceptions that people had about him and the back and forth on him being a candidate, not being a candidate, not being a candidate. candidate, Hurley being involved, et cetera.

And he said, quote, I really don't give up. Fuck. Like, honestly, I want to be the coach of the Lakers. I want to coach the team. I don't want to dispel anything. I want to become a great coach in the NBA and I want to win championships. And I want my players to maximize their careers. That's all I fucking care about. Closed quote. I actually like that quote.

It also came off of him saying, and I would, if he had kept that podcast. He's getting rid of the podcast, all the media stuff. If I were a Lakers fan, he said, no, I'm going to keep the podcast. I would have said, I'm out. I'm out completely. I have no idea how this is going to go. I don't think you're alone in rooting for him to fail. First of all, he's a Duky. I mean, and he was one of the most hated Duke players of all time because he was, you know, he was the, I mean, Leitner's won. But I'll tell you, I mean, some of the stories that Reddix told about coming to college park during those years are just classic. He hated coming here and hated everything about our truck driving operation.

But I don't know if he's going to be a good coach or not. It wouldn't shock me if he is a good coach, though. He's pretty smart. It would shock me. It would shock me. He has no sense of what's really important. Everything you said is part of his job. Not his whole job.

He's the coach of the Lakers. You know? He's not some obscure basketball coach trying to teach kids how to play. He has a very public job. Yeah, he does. He does. But he's been in the fire before, Tommy.

This is a guy who has lived in the fire. At Duke and even as a pro, he has been scrutinical. and criticized and shorted his whole career. Well, that's because he's such an asshole. No, it's not. It's because he played at Duke. He was great.

He was, you know, race probably had something to do with it, especially at Duke. But he wasn't necessarily an asshole at Duke. I've seen him, enough of him on ESPN. Yeah, recently. Yes. To know an asshole when I see one. As a media member, he is certainly arrogant. There's no doubt.

There is an arrogance to him that's off-putting. I agree with you. I think he knows basketball, though. But I think the biggest risk is what you are hoping is the source and root cause of his failure. I think that's it. I think that he can't be the smartest guy in the room if he's not. He's got to... You know who he reminds me of?

Who? Although he's... like a pebble in talent compared to this guy. Rick Barry. Oh, Rick Barry was the smartest guy in the room. Oh, he was in that. Rick Barry probably knows more basketball than almost most of the people on the planet. And he's never been able to really have much of an influence in the NBA because people can't stand him.

Remember we had, we had him on the show a couple times. He was such a good guest. I mean, he was a great guest, but he admitted that he was not liked, as, you know, as a player. Did he? He's very smart, very talented. I think his reputation as the player has suffered because he's so disliked. I mean, no one ever mentions Rick Barry among the great shooters or players in the league. I mean, but basically he carried, you know, a team, you know, what he's.

he did in the 75. Yeah. He's one of the greatest to ever do it. But did, am I just, am I whiffing on this? Did he ever coach? I don't think he did, did he?

I don't know if he did or not. Didn't his sons? Well, I mean, his, he had, I mean, I think his sons actually didn't have, I don't want to speak out of school.

I mean, he had multiple sons who played. I mean, the son that, played for a while in the NBA was Brent Barry. He was the bigger of the sons who was a ridiculous athlete. But Drew Barry had a really good career. John Barry, John and Drew at Georgia Tech.

And also the NBA, right? I forget. I mean, but am I thinking about this inaccurately that he didn't have a relationship with his sons? I don't know if he did. Brent Barry is currently the vice president of basketball operations for me. operations for the San Antonio. He's San Antonio. Well, he won a title with San Antonio, I think.

I think he was on one of those title teams. I forget which one. Did Rick Berry coach? I'm pulling up his Wikipedia page right now. You know, he played a season in the ABA for the Washington Caps. I know. And they played at U-Line Arena, which back then was called the Washington Coliseum. I think I've told you this before. The first basketball my father ever purchased for me was a red, white, and blue ABA ball. My father was a massive ABA fan.

He was a big, my father was big into the AFL and the ABA, even though he was a Skins fan. As a coach, listen to this. Cedar Rapids, Fort Wayne, New Jersey Shore Cats, and the Florida Sea Dragon. So he must have been a terrible coach. You know, and maybe it was people. People couldn't stand to be around them. Yeah. I mean, he was a guy who always thought he was probably smarter than his boss.

And he may have been. Yeah. I bet J.J. Reddick isn't nearly as bad. That's my guess. Hey, we got to wrap this up because I got a roll here and you got a roll. But that was a painful loss for the Nats last night. Hunter Harvey getting lit up in the bottom of the tent. They had a six to three lead.

After they just took a three-run lead at the beginning of the inning. Patrick Corbyn pitched pretty well. The past three games. Yeah, I know. I know. What did you make in a pitch? How about the pitch clock violation lost to Colorado? Well, it's a guy who clearly has a problem with time

because he leads the league in these kind of violations. Finnegan does? Finnegan. Yeah. Yeah. You're going to go out. Go out with a player. He's still one of the best closers in the league.

Yeah. Real quickly. Patrick Corbin pitched well again last night. He's had a couple of decent games in his last few outings. Yes. Yes. They have not lost the past couple of games because of Patrick Corbyn. Right. All right. Anything else from you? That's it, boss. You did a nice job today. We're back tomorrow. It's the, oh, well, Tommy didn't weigh in on the NBA draft. Maybe we can get you to do a quick segment on the show tomorrow. I'm sure you'd be thrilled to do that. did you know tomorrow night was the NBA draft? Yes.

Otherwise known as the Jerry Lewis Memorial draft. Because everyone's going to be French. Everybody's going to be French? Oh, I thought it was some sort of telethon joke to that. Because everyone who's picked is going to be French. Okay. I don't get that. Can we explain that to me?

Jerry Lewis was a beloved figure in France. Oh, he was. Okay. They loved Jerry Lewis. All right. Much more than they did here in America. They didn't love Jerry Lewis in America? Not like they did in France.

Hmm. Jerry Lewis was seen as an artist in France. In America, he was seen as a clown. All right. That's, you know what? Every show I learned something new from you. I had no idea. All right, bye.

I'm back tomorrow. Come on. KG, this is no different than that. This is me. All right, I'm not a fucking athlete. This is my fucking way. This is how I win.