The Kevin Sheehan Show - Commanders-Jags Cooley Film Breakdown

Episode Date: September 14, 2022

Cooley and Kevin today with Cooley's thoughts on Washington's win over Jacksonville including a breakdown of Carson Wentz' performance, Scott Turner's offensive scheme & play-calling, the defensive problems and more. The guys also had more on the Denver-Seattle ending and weighed in on an uncomfortable Ryan Fitzpatrick interview on the Dan LeBatard Show.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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That's mybooky.com or mybooky.ag. on this Wednesday, the first Wednesday following the first weekend of the football season, NFL football anyway, Christopher Cooley is with us and he's done some work for the show. I'm so excited about this. It's not a full-fledged film breakdown. Why don't you tell everybody what you've done and what you've got prepared for the show today? Well, you gave me five things to watch. so it's Carson Wentz his interceptions

his touchdown passes his third down passes and I pretty much watched I watched the entire game on film I watched Wentz you were wondering what Scott Turner did to get guys open so we can talk about that especially early in the game

you were wondering why so many Jacksonville wide receivers were open which I think is something we can definitely talk about in the game we wanted to talk about Duran Payne. So I did those things I did not do grades. I do not know if I'm going to do this for you every week. But you do have fun when you...

I do have fun, but here's what's going to happen. Your list is just going to be two more things the next week. And then week three, it's going to be two more things. And then week four, you're going to say, hey, can you just do the grades that you always do? Well, I mean, there were years there where the grading system got a little complex. And I said, why don't we just do, you know, kind of A through, you know, D or F? Yeah, and you were wrong, but that's okay. That's okay. Whatever.

I'm glad you did it. You did not watch for everybody wondering. He watched football on Sunday, but he did not watch Washington Jacksonville live. But you've watched the game since. Condensed version? It's an interesting game, for sure. Did you watch the condensed version? was my question.

No, I watched the All-22. Oh, okay. You watched the All-22. Got it. Yeah, it was an interesting game. I think you were asking me to do a condensed summary, which we can do later. Well, no, I didn't know how you watched the game. You didn't tell me you did.

I figured you watched some All-22, but you also said you would watch the game, and I was wondering if you just did it, you know, the condensed version on NFL.com. on the NFL game pass. No, I watch the L-22, and I hate the L-22 the way they have it on NFL.com right now unless I'm missing something that you can't just go to drives and series and plays.

It just plays progressively throughout the entire game. It never gives you a shot of the scoreboard. So you sit there and you calculate, wait, it's second. Dang it, 10 seconds back. Okay, that was first down. Now it's second five. So in saying that, when I say third and eight on a certain drive, it might have been third and seven or third and six, but I couldn't see it.

It's infuriating. Cooley, this started last year with the All-22. They changed up the whole format, and it worked so well the way it used to work. I don't know why they changed it up, but I almost feel like not paying for the subscription anymore because it's really, it's tough to get through on the All- 22. It used to be so easy. It used to be so easy. Now that said, I watched the entire game from start to finish, including

special teams on the All 22. Right. It's so infuriating to not have a team access account. Team access account is so amazing, where I can save plays and put them where I want them and go back to where I want to

see things and just, oh, watch any game, watch any player. Did anybody ever get upset that you had kind of team access and then you were doing this film breakdown on radio and, you know, on a podcast? I've been told recently, yes, everybody was upset, that I was supposed to be the fanboy and support everyone and say good things and be positive, that it was not well received at all. Right. my bad well no i mean you were getting paid to do a talk show and you can't you can't be fanboy and have you know oh you can well you can i mean there are people that have done that honesty was not the best policy

well i'm glad we got the honest um coolly over the years and now there's no tie to the team so we'll certainly get, we'll certainly get the honesty now. What was your, you get the exact same thing. It would never change. If you wanted me to be, you're going to put me on, they all knew me. What did they think they were going to get? Right.

Whatness is about my MO. What did you think of the game overall before we get to what you did in film breakdown on the All-22? Would you think of the game? I think that, anyone that's a commander's fan has to be impressed with the resilience of Carson Wentz and that team and how they rallied late after a couple turnovers and in a situation where momentum had really flipped towards Jacksonville.

I think Jacksonville should have won the game after they took the lead. And I'm amazed that they didn't, but they're a young team and a new head coach and a young quarterback. I got Jacksonville looked a little bit better than maybe I would have expected them to, and they really found rhythm late. But again, going back to overall, you know, it was a pretty resilient effort when you watch it without any emotion or anyone calling a game staring blinkly at a computer screen with all 22. I was impressed with Carson Went, and I was impressed with the defense late, and they made some big plays, and found a way to win a game. You know, I think for just everybody as a reminder, you were a massive Carson Wentz believer.

You know Carson a little bit, right? Didn't you guys share an agent? That was Nick Foles. Oh, that was Nick Foles. I have him confused with the quarterback that came in for him and won the Super Bowl in Philadelphia. But I do not have it. You know, I'm not confused about what you thought of Carson's. and once in those early years in Philadelphia.

No, I think he was exceptional in the early years in Philadelphia. I think he lacked some consistency, but in terms of making big plays, he made a ton of big plays. I don't know if he's that guy. You see him run maybe twice in this game, but he's not, that guy in Philadelphia was outside the pocket. He was a lot like Allen. I think when you watch some of those,

I remember 3rd and 17s where he is ducking and spinning out of the pocket getting rolling hard to the right and making a huge throw down the sideline into a tight window. I think he made a lot of plays like Allen. I don't know if he has that athletic ability right now. But I think he manipulated the pocketwell and made some good throws in this game. He's still a competent quarterback. Why don't we start with him? Tell us about Carson Wentz on Sunday against Jacksonville.

All right. So overall, I think he played a pretty good game. I think there were some misses. I think there were some plays that he could have had. I think there was a couple he would want back, but I think he made a lot of big throws, and I think he really moved the team. So according to the direction I was given,

we'll start with the touchdowns. The first touchdown is just a flat to Samuel. We played really well other than the fumble. Right. But good timing, good release, balls out with his hands quick, easy throw and catch. You love that. It was not always that way for Carson wins.

as far as ball out of his hand on time. But this was. The second is the RPO throw to Dotson. Yeah. I like it. I think he does a good job really drying out the fake. It's a heck of a throw. It's a great route by Dotson,

kind of giving a stutter and getting over into the inside. The one thing I would say about this is it's a 100% illegal lineman downfield. Yeah, exactly. It is too long on an RPO. RUIA is blocking the middle linebacker as the ball. from five yards down the field. This is a penalty. Jacksonville's turning this in. You're not going to get away with this again. Yeah.

The ball is way late. Yeah, I tweeted it in the moment on Sunday, and then I talked about it. And, you know, we've got some crazy people that are saying, what are you talking about? It's three yards. No, it's one yard in the NFL. It's three yards in college. And by the way, he's four yards downfield. They just missed it badly. They just totally missed it. maybe the miss is, and it's only Ruiye. The way they're blocking it is nobody else is climbing to that second level to the linebackers.

They are working laterally down the line of scrimmages and offensive line. But Ruey does come off the double team and does hit the middle linebacker. He's clearly four yards downfield. No call, no harm, no foul, whatever. When the ball's caught, he's on the two-yard. line when the ball was caught. He's touching the linebacker. When the ball's thrown, he's up to the middle

linebacker. As at least went to the hand, he's four yards downfield. Right. Okay. Third touchdown, I thought this was the best Carson Went to the day. He ends up throwing the outside go-ball to Terry McLaurin for 27. Yeah.

It's a cover two defense that the Jags played a lot throughout the entire day. He's running four verticals, two. on each side. So two goes on either side. Seems goes, nine, flies, whatever you want to call him in your offense. He really does a great job of working the right side and looking at the inside receiver, holding his eyes to the inside receiver to force that safety to turn and go play the inside receiver. The safety is responsible for really playing both of the two receivers. The Jaguars would like their cornerback outside to get hands on McCorn a little bit.

to put them on different levels so the safety can play both. McClellan gets a good outside release, and he's essentially free down the sideline. Wentz really does a great job with his eyes here, holds the safety, knows where he wants to go as soon as that safety turned. He's basing the decision on what that safety's doing. The safety hangs dead in the middle with depth. He's just going to throw a checkdown.

Safety goes outside to tear. He's going to throw the inside seam, or vice versa, based on where the safety plays. Excellent throw, excellent read. Great with his eye. he manipulated the defense. This is what you love in the quarterback. He's a big time play. Yeah. Did you, before we get to the touchdown pass to Dotson, the play before the McLaren touchdown pass is with this team 100% reeling. He's had the, he's had the two interceptions

in the previous possessions. Jacksonville's taken an eight-point lead, and Washington's got a third and eight from their own 24. I don't know. if I asked you, well, I did ask you to look at the third down conversion, so maybe we'll save that. Do you have that play the third and eight right before the Terry McLaren touchdown pass to Logan Thomas? I do. Okay, so we'll save the- Great job stepping up in the pocket, and we'll talk about it. Okay, all right, sorry.

All right, go ahead with the last touchdown pass to Dotson. Well, the last touchdown pass is really straightforward. Dotson runs a heck of a route. It's an out and up, one-on-one with the corner out there. I think Dotson does a really good job as he turns on that out, slow rolls the out and loses ground. Anytime you run like two moves put together, it's nice to run a bad first move.

And he does. He breaks on the out at about five yards and drifts outwards towards about seven, which gives him speed to turn back up the sideline. And it's an excellent throw. I mean, excellent throw, but also hell of a catch. Yeah. And Dotson's stud. Yeah, Dotson.

He's a stud. That's a heck of a play. In a big-time situation. Did you have a problem with just the situation of the game? They're in field goal range. There's under two minutes to go. You're going to take the lead if you don't pick up the third and eight. Did you have a problem with Wentz taking that shot?

That defender never turns around. If he turns around at all, it's incomplete best case. Did you have a problem with him taking that shot? Was there anything else that he could have done there just to ensure that they're on the field kicking a go-ahead and go-ahead field goal? I haven't. With him taking a shot, none, not at all. In a lot of these situations, you throw that out there as an alert shot.

Like, hey, if you get the look you want in this defense, you alert it. They've been playing a ton of cover two. They were probably expecting to work something on the other side. and he got the alert that he was looking for, and he took the shot. No, no problem at all. I don't. I like Storm Point. And that was essentially zero blitz coverage, right?

I mean, they sent everybody. Yeah, I mean, let me pull it back up. Yeah, I mean, I... I'm trying to pull it up now, but I think I mentioned the other day, a lot of... Yeah, it's cover... I mean, it's one B. They leave a safety. the middle of the field.

Right. So they bring seven and defend with four. But Washington Max protects here. So, no, I really don't have a problem with the shot at all. I mean, on the backside of it, they had a little whip route and a dig over the top of it. And if you had cover two, that was what he was going to work. Right. Yeah.

You know, so many of these routes, you give them an alert and another side. No. I think it was an excellent throw. I think it was an excellent read. I have no problem at all taking that shot. Score points when you score point. Yep. All right. What next? Just watching this perfection on the show.

I mean, it is so good by Dodson. Like, really, to lean into the out route the way he did, he's a good player, man. That was awesome, Kevin. What a catch, too. Great catch. I mean... They're down throws. The defender never, never, you know, makes a play, never turns, never reads, it clearly never wrote, read his eyes either, right?

He doesn't make a play on the ball at all. Dotson's got it the whole way measured up. I mean, it's still incredible that he comes up with it. But, yeah, it's huge play. That's what he did in college. I know he did. I never tough spot for the defender. He's not completely out of position.

No, not at all. But that's also a way you like that. be called is, are you sitting there as a corner thinking out and up to all-out blitz? Like, you know you have all-out pressure. Well, you have one, it's not zero blitz. It's leave a safety in the middle of the field. He knows he has helped to the inside. But are you expecting as a corner in that situation that you're going out and up?

I mean, the other thing you've got to really say, it's really well protected. Very well protected. For them bringing a seven-man pressure, they leave Bates in, Bates does a good job on the end. The back steps up and does a heck of a job on the blitzing linebacker. The line passes off everything from the inside out. It's a really, really well-executed play. I don't know.

Pretty sweet. McKissick comes across the line of scrimmage from the other side to pick up 23 who's blitzing. And then Doxon makes a big-time catch. I loved it. I mean, what I'd say with Wentz is it's well protected, and he makes a great throw in a good reach. do I think that that was where he thought he was going with the ball as they broke the huddle? Probably not.

But when he walked to the line of scrimmage and he sees safety down, he knew exactly where he's called. There's nowhere else. Here's what I do love. I love, on the back on the right side of the formation, like I said, he's got a three-yard whip in and out, a burger out, as Peyton Manning would call it, an in-and-out. A lot of quarterback's down pressure will get out.

In and out's overrated. Well, that's what Peyton Manning called the whip route, the burger. I'm just saying a lot of quarterbacks are overrated. Okay, continue. They're still good. They're all right. It's just a reputation thing. It's a West Coast reputation thing.

It's an okay burger. Five guys is just as good. Not better. I would agree with that. Yeah. I love five guys. Do you have in and out in Wyoming? Are you kidding?

I did. I mean, do you? No, I'm not kidding. I mean, it's in and out seems to be everywhere west of the Mississippi now. We don't even have Chick-fil-A. You're doing well, yeah. They are putting a Chick-fil-A in Billings, Montana, though. That's going to be exciting. That's going to be a big exciting moment when they open the Chick-fil-A in Billings.

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Let's get to What do you want to get to What do you want to get to Next with when His interceptions, his third down conversions. Okay, third down. The third down. So it's the first touchdown drive.

They're down, what, 22 to 14? Yeah. Coming off of two picks. Right. Third and eight around midfield before the McLaurant touchdown to Logan Thomas. It's really an excellent job by Wentz, stepping up in the pocket to pressure,

keeping his eyes downfield. Logan Thomas is wide open. It ends up being an easy throw. It's not a throw. that we're going to sit in and talk about. But it's Wents' ability to not panic under pressure, step up, climb the pocket, keep his eyes down the field, and find an open receiver. Great.

Big throw. And then third and ten. Hold on. Before you get to the third and ten, on the third and eight, the reason that I like this play is that he had just thrown two interceptions. The game had completely turned. The feeling went from they're up 14 to 3. Okay, it's 14 to 12 now.

It's a close game. But, you know, this is a winnable game to him throwing back-to-back interceptions on back-to-back plays. And now they're down eight with 10 minutes to go. And they've done nothing on first and second down. And he's got a third and eight from his own 24-yard line. And to me, this is a big pressure spot for him. against the team that beat him.

This was already a game that he needed to have. The team needed to have. And he faces, I think he did really well against the blitz all day long. They blitz him. He really works the pocket. And I'm not saying it was a tough throw, but I'm saying this was a pressure play. If he gets sacked or if he misses somebody or if they don't convert here,

I think it's game over. That's not game over. It's close to it. the momentum that Jacksonville has and the ability that they had to run the football. Especially the way Robinson came in and ran it. Right. So the first thing I wrote down was after two interceptions, just when I think you couldn't be any dumber, you don't do something like this.

Right. Totally redeem yourself. I actually had to look up the video clip to get that just right. But he comes back with two huge third downs and two big touchdown drives, two big throws. Right. Totally redeem yourself. It was huge. Huge.

No, no doubt about it. I actually did watch the Dumb and Dumber clip. Just get that exactly right. Good. I haven't seen that movie enough times. But I'll email you my notes, didn't it? I'll take it. No, I thought it was big time.

Yeah, once, maybe twice. No, I've watched Dumb and Dumber more than once. I mean, the boys have loved that movie forever, so if it's on, it's on. Jeff Daniels, very. underrated is just an actor in general. But can we continue? Yeah. So yeah, he did have pressure on the third name.

The thing really is, too, Jacksonville's got I think eight guys up at the line of scrimmage. They end up only bringing five, and they blow coverage. But Wence is cool. He panics none. And I don't think he looks like he panicked all day. I mean, he checks the blitz. He sees where it's coming from. He fans out.

his left tackle. He steps up where he knows he can step up and he makes an excellent throw. I mean, this is what you want from a good starting quarterback, Kev. Exactly what you want. Right. And it was a huge throw. The next third down is a third and ten on the last touchdown drive. It was a third and ten, yeah. Yeah, the third and eight touchdown to Dotson, and then it was a third and ten as part of that drive, which, you know,

was a massive play too. I mean, at this point, they're down two. There's four, four something left. And I think the throw before the third and ten, Cooley, he missed, he missed. He missed Mill. He missed Mill. The Airmilled, yeah. Airmills run on first and ten to Sims out of bounds. Right. Sims really doesn't do a good job holding the red line. It doesn't give me any room to put that ball. So he's just looking for a place to get rid of it and maybe throws it out of bounds about purpose. The airmills Milne on second 10, and Milne's wide open. Wide open.

And then he comes back in this third and ten, and Jacksonville plays cover two with man coverage underneath. So they man up everybody underneath and play two safeties over the top. On his left side, he's got to go in a six to eight-yard out route, and he works that with nothing. I mean, he's got no winners on that side. So he comes back to really his third read, however you want to say, I mean, usually you work from side one as one read to two, but it's man, so it's this third read. Loga Thomas really has struggled to separate from anybody all day, is running a deep over route. There's a great job of what we call stair stepping in the middle of the field. So he's running over, goes up the field like he's stepping up a stair, and then

continues his route separates by about a yard, and Wentz puts the ball perfectly on him. Yeah. The other thing he does is when he really, works the front side or his left side of that combination with cover two, the safety to that side moves to the seam route. So he takes the safety out of the play with his eyes. But I think this is a natural progression for the safety because he's actually looking to throw that side. And then he works back to number three in the middle of the field and finds Logan Thomas. Again, he's patient. He doesn't force anything that he doesn't have and he works across the board to find Thomas. It's Awesome.

This is an interesting. This last drive really wasn't an interesting guy. By the way, they didn't blitz on that throw, but another really good job of pass pro, which they did a really good job with the game on the line. There was great pass protection. Yeah, I think a lot of the game, Wentz was fairly well protected.

He had a couple pressures, but it wasn't, it wasn't all over the place. on third down a lot of times he had a chance to throw the football. Hey, I think they did a good job mixing up a bunch of stuff. To me, I think Turner did a pretty good job in this game as well. And you wanted to talk about that. We will get to that. Okay.

All right. So those were big throws on third down. I mean, big time plays. The interceptions. You get to the interceptions. Let's do that after we take. a quick break. We'll get to the interceptions with Wents and we'll get to other Cooley film breakdown of the Jacksonville game right after these words from a few of our sponsors.

All right. We continue with Cooley's film breakdown of Carson Wents with the two interceptions early in the fourth quarter. All right, let's hear it. The first pick is a speed out throw the John Dotson. He's tightened down, condensed towards the line of scrimmage. And he's just running the timing speed out. We always did this. He counted to the seven steps speed out.

This is a route that they work with the quarterbacks all the time. The corner has off and a little bit outside leverage, but I don't hate this because a lot of times when they break on that speed out, the corner can't break.

The ball's just late. I don't hate the read. The ball just, floats on him a little bit, and he's just late. That ball needs to be thrown before the receiver is coming out of that break. It's not a bad read. If it's one-on-one, or if it's routs on air, it's not a bad throw. It's a good break on the ball by the cornerback, and he's late.

It had to be half a second earlier, and it's an easy completion. and that's where it's frustrating and that's one of those ones that Wentz is going to go back and it's on me, I just got to get it out of my hand. Yeah. The other pick is a screen pass. This to me isn't totally on Wentz. Okay. One, it's an exceptional play by Trayvon Walker.

Yep. But before that, it's Leto is the left tackle, right? Leno, yeah. Leno. this is a screen pass. This is not the time to have your best pass protection of the day. Like, you let him win. You turn your shoulders, you let him win up the field.

This should not, he should never be able to be into this screen. You fall step up, you do something to convince Trayvon Walker that he's going to win. He's a rookie. Just show him he's going to win up the field. He's the bat him up the field. He should never be in this play. You know he was the first. Pick in the draft. You do know that, right? Trayvon Walker.

I know. And the first pick of the draft is super-duper excited. He's actually a good player. Super-duper excited to get a sack in that situation. You just entice him to come up the field. Right. He's always joke about this with Brandon Sheriff on screenplays. Like, he just was so competitive. He hated to lose. He always blocked his shit out of dudes on screenplays, and they'd be right there. So I'm watching this.

So Leno's blocking him instead of what we typically see on screens, which is letting them win right away and get up field. And then you, this is a middle screen too. And a lot of traffic even, not just Walker, there's a lot of traffic there in general. Yeah, I think Turner's going to say on this one. I wish I had this call back. But if you can envision a left tackle pass protection, the best thing to do here is step your right foot forward, turn your shoulders,

So you're completely open to the edge and then just take your right arm and bat him up the field. Shouldn't be a problem. I also think that Gibson drifts a little too far on the screen. He takes the token handoff fake and then he turns and instead of kind of settling, he starts to really drift out. And this could be the way that they ran this play or that they wanted it run to not hit directly in the middle. but he is drifting away from Wendz. I really have a hard time believing that the quarterback in this situation,

the second it left his hand, could have envisioned Trayvon Walker falling off Lenno and picking that ball. You'd love him if he could see it to just ground that ball at Gibson's beat, just throw a bounce past at Gibson. I don't think he's thought. I don't think it's easy to see. I'm not totally putting – here's what I'm going to say. That's a hell of a play by all four. I wouldn't kill Wins on that throw.

What did everybody else say about it? I haven't read anything about anything. I know you. All I did was Wicke and 31 about this, because I don't think you should care about what anybody else says or thinks. Oh, I don't. I'm just interested. Well, so specific to the team, Wence totally took responsibility and blame,

which was really the right thing to do. And one of the complaints about him in his previous two stops is that, you know, he wouldn't take blame. And he did it in a self-deprecating way. Now, it's after a win and after he came up big in the next two drives. I think your observation of Leno, as I watch this right now, is just so spot on. Like Walker, Leno allowed Walker to be a part of this play.

I don't know if this play goes anywhere if Walker's not there because it's maybe it's because of what you said about Gibson's drift. Instead of just turning around, he drifts left and away from the quarterback. But Leno's blocking him, and by the way, swipes him back right into the middle of the field is his last move. Like you said, if he takes that right foot and plants and just gives up the edge right away, Walker's never near the play. unless Walker sniffed it the whole way and decided not to take the bait on going up field on the edge.

There was no bait. He legitimately pass-blocked. Right. Good point. You've got to give him a little bait. You've got to bait him. I don't hate it. I also don't know if I love the call on first and ten. Do you think the call was after he threw his first pick

to come back and get him something easy, Unfortunately, it just didn't work out. No, I don't think that's the call because I think you look at that first pick and you say, you're going where you want to go with the ball. You're just late. It's not confused by the defense. He's not in a situation where he feels frustrated or lost in the game. Played pretty well up until this point.

Missed some stuff, had a couple opportunities. But for the most part, no, I just think that you thought you had this dialed up as a, a run-action fake screen in a first and 10 situation. It came up on the sheet, and I think you went with it. You hadn't had any first-down screens. I just, I'll bet you in that situation you would like to have not called that play. Right. So you think, you know, when they're watching this together on Sunday night on, or Monday morning, they're not, I mean, they're being supportive to begin with, but Scott Turner is saying, look, I mean, Leno didn't do a good job here.

I don't know how you could have seen this. You think that's a possibility? I'm saying 100%. And in that conversation, Wenz also knows it happened. So hindsight, he understands exactly what happened. And they're saying, man, if you could sense that at all, just throw a bounce pass at the running back. Right.

Just ground it. I know you're not. You can do that right there. I know you're not grading, but you, you know, we just talked about the two balls before that third and ten that he converted to Logan. The ball that he airmailed to Milne, there were a couple of other inaccurate throws during the course of the game. He missed Logan one time, airmailed him a little bit. First play of the game, I think it was. He missed Dotson.

Did you notice anything else that wasn't good? or anything else that was good? I think there's a few, and you mentioned a couple of them. I mean, the first play of the game, the first play of the second drive, the first play of the third drive, or the first throw of the third drive, I thought all of it was slow process. If you go to the first play of their second drive, I think it's 12-18, I wrote down times for you on some of these plays,

because you can't just go to the play. You've got to go to 12-18. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They bring Dotson over in motion, and they have Curtis Samuel running an inside seam up the middle of the field. Logan Thomas is running a widened seam. Their exchange releasing out of what becomes a bunch with motion, and he ends up airmailing Logan Thomas down the middle, up the numbers. Right. Please watch this play and tell me it's not a touchdown to Johan Dotson if he just looks at where he told him.

Are you saying third driver or second drive? It's 1218. Okay. It doesn't even matter. It does matter, actually, because right now I had to go back to the condensed version because I think you're on the All-22 and you're using my account and for whatever reason, it's kind of like, you know. Oh, it's not letting you in. No, it's not letting me into the L-22 right now because you're on it from a different location, which I'm fine with, but I've got the, I want to at least see it from, is it the third driver, the second,

drive. It's the second drive. Okay. He also has Logan Thomas wide open. Oh yeah, I got to play right now. Yeah, Logan, I mean, this was one of those. That was the one that I was saying he missed a wide open Logan Thomas. He did. Oh, I, tell me Johan.

Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. I can see that. I can see that on the regular version. Yeah. So they're playing, they're playing a cover two look. Yeah. The cover two safety number two completely commits to the inside theme,

which is going down towards the hashes on Curtis Samuel. Logan Thomas ends up clearing the underneath backer, and then you have a cornerback outside essentially trying to midpoint Logan Thomas and John Dotson. John Dotson is this ball's release, is two yards past the corner who's a cover two flat corner. This is literally a walking touchdown to John Dossum, if you're, reads it outright. And all he had to do is the exact same thing he did with Terry McCorn when he threw the touchdown of McCorme.

And see that that cover two safety number two has completely turned his back and committed to run inside to the middle of the field. It's a blown coverage by number two, the safety. Blown coverage. Johan Dotson is walking in to the end boat. And Wence has plenty of time.

Plenty of time. He's not rushed. He never looks at it. He knows what he knows the safety He knows the safety's gone to the middle of the filter, he knows Logan Thomas is open. I think what happens where he ends up throwing it over Thomas's head is Thomas ends up making contact with the outside linebacker

and it's a little bit slower than when it's expects. But geez, Louise, we've got to make that throw. Later in that drive... How about Dotson? I mean, he could have had a much bigger... day. And I think a big part of that is figuring out how he's going to play in a big situation, how he's going to handle the load of a game plan, where he's going to fit exactly. I thought he was really good throughout the day. I think one thing I would say watching

Dotson a little more, he's got to work to get off press coverage. He's going to get pressed a lot more moving forward. He's got to get off the line of scrimmage. There are some situations where press coverage really, you really struggled a little bit. Well, then just use him in motion. Yeah, use them off the ball. I mean, it's hard to just do every time. I know. Oh, buddy.

So this, all-22 is just rolling. I think it's the play. It's two plays after he missed Logan Thomas. Yeah. They go to the pistol, and then they run this little option reverse. If Antonio Gibson blocks

the defensive end at all, it is out the gate that John D'Aston Yeah he missed it He missed him yeah Oh buddy And here's the thing too John Dostin could take that

With a little bit more depth Behind the line of scrimmage But that was That was a sweet little play call right there That had a chance to be out the gate Shoot I don't know I mean he had four or five balls That you would like that

Looking through the Wend's game I think the biggest thing for me Was I thought especially earlier in the game. He was really slow to process reads. He was stuck on one receiver longer than he should have been. He jerked the ball off a little bit in the pocket and sat back there and double hitched and triple hitched early in the game,

laid on some throws. He was late, the first play of the second half, on a corner route to Terry. Right. My friend drafted him on his fantasy team, and he tells him McLaren, and I can't stop calling him McLaren, and it drives me nuts. He stuck in my head. Yeah, because you do know him. McLaren still. He didn't change the pronunciation.

Late on a corner out, I had a weird yip throw on the second drive where you try to throw it to Gibson on a checkdown in the third down situation. McLaren's wide open. McClarn, yeah. I just don't think he's looking in that third and two, so he pulls it down. And then he kind of gips it.

I just drilled Terry right in my head with it. Look at me, man. It ended up being a roughing the passer. Yeah, that they got, and by the way, that was a legit, that was a legit rushing, roughing the passer. What else do I hate? Oh, you know what I did? A couple of other plays I didn't like.

There's a defensive offside. They're up 14 to 12, and he takes a shot down the middle of the field, the Curtis Daniel he gets picked. Yeah, on the free play. I don't hate taking the shot down the middle of the field on the free play. but let's throw it to the single coverage in Terry McCleorne outside, not into double coverage in the middle of the field. Let's throw it where we actually have a shot of getting at big play.

Yeah, I don't know. No, I know what you're saying. I mean, typically on a free play, you want to really go for it, you know? You want to throw it deep and see if you can't get six out of it or 46 out of it. Well, that is what he did, and maybe just see if you get a P.I. out of it, too. but throw it to Terry outside. He's 101. Take the one-on-one shot,

not take the shot down the middle of the Samuel, who's double-covered. Right. So I was looking at some reason ESPN box door wouldn't bring up the last drive. They're down 2220, and first in 10's a penalty.

It kind of backed up. Yeah. And they punted it to the 10. on. And then first and 15 is a defensive penalty. And I also can't tell who that's on watching the L-22. But man, that's almost a pick. And he doesn't know there's a penalty. That was a risky throw behind Curtis Samuel. Bad ball, risky throw, almost the end of game right there. You're saying down 2220, the first play deep in their own territory? Well, the first play is a penalty on the offense. I couldn't.

I couldn't tell who it was. It was a whole... Like John Reagan, when you read the book, I can't. I think it was a whole... I think it was a whole... I can't pronounce the words, but I know what they mean. Yeah, I want to say... Okay.

It was it on Norwell? Yeah, it was on Norwell. You got it. It was on Norwell. It wasn't a hole. Okay. Like, I don't... I didn't... I watched it eight times, and I still can't comprehend how it was a hold. Okay.

And then there's a defensive penalty. Still, I literally, I'm looking at the ESPN play-by-play. Bring up the touchdown drive. 13 plays 90 yards. It shows me two plays. I know, the ESPN thing. You got to use the game book for the play-by-play. You've got access to the game book, don't you?

Or do I have to give you my login for that, too? Oh, I had the login. I have it. I forgot about it. You'll have to give me that, remind me of that. Tell me about the job. Tell me about the job that Scott Turner did. I want to.

I want to tell you about that job. So I think that Scott Turner did a heck of a job, especially in the first couple series, first three series. You could tell, too, that he did a little off-season work. He had a couple things up his sleep. He had some new stuff. Everyone's excited about their new stuff in week one, but his new stuff worked.

And I think there were some fun plays. very early in the game they go with a diamond set it looks like a bunch three receivers with another receiver behind it like four receivers in a diamond look I think it's their first third down right yeah they at the point they run a go route the inside guy runs a crossing route the next runs a little angle route and the guy behind it Samuel runs a whip route from the outside and it's a great across the border if you're coaching high school football

and that first third down look at this play because it is one two three and alert the scene. It is so easy for a quarterback to read out. Who's the first open receiver? It was creative. They pulled everybody to the middle of the field. Samuel's wide open. Good route by Samuel. I liked it. I liked it a lot. Yeah, they really cleared everybody out for Samuel. Yes, they really did. And it's really a good across-the-board read for a quarterback. It's read so easily. It just started the first guy and the first one you see open throw. Right. And I thought that was really good. They ran early in the game.

Gibson caught a corner route, which is a heck of a throw by Wentz. Yeah. And I loved this. It's what everyone calls the scissors combination, a post on the outside and a corner from the inside. But they went play action fake to McKissick. McKissick, they're both in gun. They're in gun. McKissick's on his right, Gibson's on his left.

They play action fake to the guy on the right. Gibson comes from across the left side, slips through the line of scrimmage to sneak out into the corner. Really well designed, good play, loved it. I think they had some craftiness with some of the screen stuff, some of those bubbles early, getting a ball in the hands of Curtis Samuel, almost like nuisance plays. Like, okay, we're going to make them think about Curtis Samuel.

We're going to make them think about this. We're going to run it and mix it up just a little bit. And Gibson, I think, did a fairly decent job. running the football. To me, I don't think everything's incredibly well blocked, but I thought he did some good things as far as running the football.

And I thought it was a really balanced game, watching it throughout, and then they maintained balance even into that last drive where they're still running the football. Yeah. So I like that. There's third down, they pump the screen and go with a little draw

inside on a third and two. I liked that. The two-point to McKissick was well-designed. To me, there was some creativity into the game plan. It was a well-shot-out game plan. I think it was executed, and I think they maintained the semblance of what they practiced and what they worked on throughout the week. So I would give Turner a lot of credit for a pretty well-executed game plan.

I mean, you take away a couple turnovers, and it's really balanced. I mean, the Samuel Fumble definitely hurt them. Right. Yeah, it's 17-3 or 21-3 at the half. You're not a running back, but when you get through that line of scrimmage, you better keep two hands on the ball. And the picks heard them. It really screen pick hurt them a lot.

But they bounced back, man. Yeah, they did. They really did. So, I don't know, I thought there was some, I thought it was a good game plan. I liked it. I always know when I like a game plan, and I'll, sit and watch film just for fun every once in a while. I usually put on Chiefs or 49ers or someone I really like who thinks creative.

And I know when I like the game plan, when I draw seven or eight of the plays. Right. Did you draw that diamond formation? Oh, you bet your sweet ass I did. I mean, that's a great red zone play. That's a great third and short play. That's a great read-it-out. Give you three, four different options.

I mean, even out of that diamond, if they miscommunicate how they're going to cover the diamond, a lot of times that theme, the guy at the point of the diamond running the widened go route, they'll just omit it, and boom, you've got a huge play. How excited do you think they were for the first third down of the year in that third and four to six range to run that play? How many times do you think they practice that first third and four to third and six play? 50. Yeah. Very excited.

You know when it's your first third and four to six play that gets called in the season that you've thought about it. Yeah. We're very excited about that play. They should have been a good play. I've seen Philly used to run a version of that. Peterson. I'm just curious. There's a couple of things that seem run that.

I'm just curious about that play. I mean, you said he reads it out, one, two, three, four from that bunch, and it's really easy. I mean, that's how I would coach my quarterback to read it out. Right. So how does that get covered? You know, like, you and I have talked about this before, you know, switching, especially when there are picks, and there are no picks here. You know, this was not a pick play. The typical third and three, you know, third and two, third and three, third and three, third and four.

pick play. There are no picks on the... Well, there are two natural picks occurring. But they're not the, the, typically when you think of a pick play, this is for me, you're thinking about that guy that will come inside. You've got your, you know, you've got your slot guy or even your back, and you've got a wide receiver coming in, and he's literally going to, you know, fake like he's running a route, but he's actually going to end up picking him. There's no contact here. really, was there? I don't think there was. No, there's no contact. No, there's no contact.

So you asked a question and I'll answer the question because... How does it get covered? The jagged, your outside flat defender has got to realize that once that theme goes vertical, that he is essentially locking the widest player. So Samuel releases outside and what happens is they're underneath defender and what is a cover three. they have three deep, four underneath. That underneath defender gets turned around with the seam ball and drifts. Right.

He's got to pass it. I see. Yeah. He's got to pass that and not look at that vertical route. Is how he would cover that in that defense. Every defense would cover it differently. So, and then the next inside defender, if he hanged outside, you throw the angle route inside of him.

And if he goes inside, then you know you're working all the way out. Right. Okay. All right. I like that. I thought it was well done. Let's talk about the defense. Overall, general feelings of what you saw defensively and watching the game. And then some of the things specifically that I asked you to look at, the run defense and whether or not Trevor Lawrence had a lot open during the course of the day. Yeah, Trevor Lawrence had a lot open throughout the course of the day. There's no doubt about it. In watching the game, pressure.

what the defensive line brought, the defensive front is essentially what saved the day for him. When he had a little bit of time to throw, he was pretty darn good with the football. When he didn't have time to throw, he missed everything. There was only one or two plays under pressure that I thought he made. He had a rollout later in the game where he gets pressure. He sprints to his right, and he makes a big time throw to a receiver coming back. But for the most part, I thought he missed 10 or 12 pretty open throws. So why were people open?

I think there's a big combination of things here. The first thing, my personal belief is there were a lot of bad matchups with linebackers on running backs or receivers, essentially number 52. Jamie Davis. And then, yeah. And then I think that there were some bad matchups where they, they're. Cs were covering wide receivers in some man-to-man situations. I don't think Kendall Fuller played very well. And then finally, in some of the zone coverages, I don't think they communicated especially well.

So I think a combination of all of that, I think that they were helped and really let off the hook somewhat in the secondary by the defensive front getting pressure on the quarterback. To me, that was a big thing. But, I mean, you can go through a ton of them. Like, really, I would start, but their fourth drive that they ended up going for it on fourth and three and not getting. There's a third and long. It's a stupid pass interference by Fuller on an out and up where he doesn't really need to make contact. And that kicks the drive off.

Right. It was after a sack on second down. Well, he had back-to-back penalties. Did not need to have them. Yeah. Did not, yeah, he did not need to have that there. They get down towards, I don't know, the 30-ish, the, 40-ish and they bring motion over to the left.

And as the defensive back comes over, they don't communicate. Davis completely blows coverage on ETN, or as my fantasy football, a friend would call him at me. And I can't pronounce any of the names. It drives me nuts. Yeah. Old Trevor. That's your friend's name.

Your friend's name is Trevor? Yeah. Old, a teeny. A teeny, by the way, dropped the fourth in goal. Right. So he didn't even need to drop the fourth in goal because on the third in goal, Fuller's burned and it's a bad ball and a drop in the end zone. Right.

I mean, sweat batted a ball on second down that could have been six. Like, the third and goal is brutal. I mean, I don't know exactly how they combo things off, but to me it looks like they have that bunch to the right and essentially, and I drew this playoff. They have three receivers to the right, to the right, one tight end to the left. They are running three receivers as natural picks across the field.

This is the third and goal at 14 to 3? This is the fourth and the fourth goal. Oh, the fourth and goal, yeah. But he missed his receiver. He missed Zay Jones on third and goal. It was just a bad ball. He'd beat a bar. Zay Jones smoked Fuller.

Yeah. And then I think fourth down, Fuller's on that side, and he's just tracking across the field with the three receivers. I've got to believe he's got to be over there for E. And coming back into the flat from across the formation. He's just poor eye.

And that was actually another thing. And if I didn't say that, I think a lot of it was poor eyes by defensive players, you know, getting tracked way out of position in some of their zone. They're far enough out of position that they were exposed. But, I mean, how fortunate are in that situation? They're essentially three different plays that they should have scored on. That is a dagger if you're an offensive coordinator or as a coach.

But you just dialed up all these plays. You talk about the little bunch or the diamond set for Washington and how excited they were to run that. Jacksonville is sitting there at fourth and three, and they are not even questioning going for it because they have the perfect play drawn up. Right. And the ETN just drops it as a walk-in.

Yeah. You know, it's a fun little play, and they still have the tight end coming back behind him on that same side. It potentially would have been open as well. On the ETN, on the ATINI play, that got him down into that goal, situation. When you were talking about that play, because I was looking for it, I just want to

make sure you address this. That's another bad ball by Lawrence, right? If he puts it on the money, ETN's got a chance to score. No, ETN's explosive. There's no doubt about that. Yeah, I mean, that ball's behind him. If it's, if it's inside, if it's thrown to where, I mean, he may not, he may not score, but he's probably down inside the five, if not at the two. But they couldn't get it in from the two. No, they couldn't. But they couldn't. But they had the perfect play. They had been waiting for the first fourth and goal from the three, even though Doug Peterson goes for a lot of fourth downs, we've got the perfect play. And by the way, when you're a coach that goes for a lot of fourth downs, you better have a lot of

fourth down plays. And that was the perfect one. That was the perfect one. But man, you can go through a bunch of these. There's an Allen sack. It was the second drive. Jonathan Allen had a sack in the third down situation. they're coming up a stunt with sweat. It's a great play, and it's a great thing, because I think Forrest blows coverage. He ends up really overcommitting,

and there's a vertical route that's over the top of his head. They're in cover four, so everyone has a quarter of the field, and there is no way he gets back into this. I cannot see exactly what the safety on the side where the route comes from is doing, and maybe he cuts it enough that he has a chance to make a play. that would have been McCain. But Forrest is lost.

It's a no-shit moment. Like, ooh, we sacked you, though. No big deal. The first play of the third drive, Forrest, they run a 12-yard chastened corner-out, and then they run another corner over the top of it. So they run two vertical corner-out. Forrest jumps as a cover two safety.

The first corner, there is nobody over the top of it. Zay Jones is walking in. I mean, he's walking. I want you to just slow down for one second because Derek Forrest replaced Cam Curl who was hurt. And Forrest played his first regular season action, I think, and he started for Curl. He looked good at times during the preseason. So people were kind of excited about Forrest. And he was very physical in the game, obviously, and had the last interception on the last play when sweat pressured Lawrence into a bad throw to, to

to clinch the game. Forest was the highest rated safety by PFF in the NFL last week. He was the highest rated Washington player at a 91.5 by PFF. I thought he was outstanding during the game, but you're saying there were a couple of chances for Lawrence and Jacksonville to burn him, and they didn't. No question about it. And you're not getting downgraded when the ball's thrown to the wrong place. say that it's in completion. Wait, say that again because you broke up. I said you're not getting downgraded when it's an incompletion and you're out of position. Right. I would. Yeah, I know. Yeah. There's a third and that drive, the third drive they had, there's a third and five,

and Jackson's beat on and out and up. I think Montez Sweat got his hand on the ball, or that's a touchdown. I thought Jackson, I can't occur. I thought Jackson, when I went back and watched it the other day, I thought Jackson looked lost a couple of times. Fuller was the lower rated player by PFF. Jackson was pretty low-rated too, but I thought Jackson looked lost sometimes out there. I see moments where I can see that Jackson's a good corner,

and I see moments where I think he's guessing. Yeah. I mean, but, no, there's a ton of stuff where you got, trouble. I mean, Kendall Fuller gets beat on an out and up, playing flat-footed. He's got no safety helper over the top of McCain. Big play in that situation. There's a

bunch of like underneath little routes where you have Davis covering Christian Kirk or E-TN and he cannot stay with him. Shoot, I think like two-point conversion, Lawrence goes their own way with the ball, but Robinson's wide open. Wide open.

A little angle route. Wide open on that two-point conversion. What are we? Yeah. And it got worse throughout the day. And, like, I don't, I really have a hard time saying, man, Davis, that Davis, he's got to, you can't put Davis on Christian Kirk underneath. It's just not, that's, you can't put, if I lined up right now, I would be Davis as a route runner. I think he just doesn't have a feel yet. That's a bad spot for him to be in in some of those situations.

And I, and a lot of times you have a call defensively, and then they get to the line and scumption, oh, gosh. God. All right. We got one bad matchup here, and you know it. But I think that was a bad match. He probably gave up 150 yards passing. 100, easy. Yeah. And could have given up a lot more. The whole defense could have. The whole defense could have. Real quickly. Yeah. There were a ton of big throws that Lawrence didn't have that he missed or that it was a bad ball. But the pressure was huge all day.

The pass rush pressure was big all day for them. Yeah. And that's what, like, Jerome Payne was absolutely incredible in this game. I thought he was great in the run game. I thought he was great creating pressure. He would bowl the pocket. His awesome was stunts. He had a sack early where him and Allen were on a stunt inside.

And that was a big time sack. And to me, I think I thought Durant Paine was as good as it got. their last drive, or they're up 2220. Yeah, Duran. It's after a big E.T.N. run, eddy run. Yeah. And whoever number 17 is is unbelievably wide open. Duran Paine gets there and makes a sack.

I thought that was playing. I think the game is over if he hit 17. I want to go back and look at the play. I mean, I know how big of a play. play it was because, you know, the last thing that I asked you to look at was just why they got gashed all day in the run game, because I'm concerned of their next few opponents. The lions, the Eagles, they play Tennessee in a couple of weeks. They play the Cowboys. And, you know, I thought that they got run on last year when teams decided to run the football, even though statistically it

turned out pretty well. But you're looking, the Duran, the E.TN run is 27 yards or whatever on first and 10 at 22 to 20. You know, that's a big run. There was a mistackle in there, a Fuller missed the tackle, I believe. And then you've got the third down, and they, I'm going to the play right now, but the big thing about this sack is you don't give them the option of doing anything other than punting. They're at the Washington 42-yard line. If it's just an incomplete pass and you're saying he had somebody wide open, but they still have the option to go for it. But I'm looking at the play right now. So number seven, you're saying, oh, 17 is wide open.

Is that Marvin Jones? That may be Marvin Jones. You'd be amazed if you don't watch that much football for two years, how you forget where guys go. Marvin Jones. Oh, you know who that is? That's Evan Ingram. That is Evan Ingram.

That's absolutely right. And you're saying that he, oh, yeah, oh, my God. just wide open wide open for a first down and by the way he probably turns it up field and gets another 5 to 10 oh no doubt and Duran got home man

I'm getting back to it you have big play I'm getting back into this game pass but you know it's amazing I have to click on the Chief Cardinals game to get the All 22 for the Washington game it was a mess last year

it was a mess last year by the way on this Duran play this Sack third and four, which gives them the ball back. Doesn't get... What's the exact time on that for anybody looking for this play, right, the second? I don't have it. I don't have access to the All-22. You're in it. Oh, you're watching. I gave you my subscription.

You're watching games. But I think the third and eight down 2214, where they pick up the Blitz and he works the pocket, and he finds Logan Thomas, is really the play of the game. But to your point, if they pick up a first down, they're at least now in field goal range where it's going to be 25 to 20. First of all, you're crazy.

The touchdowns throw to Jahan Dawson to take the lead, probably the play of the game. I'm just saying that they may never get there if they have to punt up 22, down 22 to 14. You make a great point. That's a great point. They would not get there without converting. Yeah.

But it was still a pretty awesome play. Yeah. I'm just saying the pressure of that third and eight after he had thrown two picks and to work the pocket and for them to block up that blitz and convert that play, you know, and then the next one's a touchdown. See, you know, somebody called this morning on the radio show and said, you know, the big difference with like a Carson Wentz, with, by the way, Healthy Samuel, Dotson added to the mix.

And he didn't say they're the chiefs or the bills, but they do have the ability to strike back quickly. And that's what you saw. And it's Jacksonville. And we don't know if Jacksonville. Jacksonville may stink again for all we know. And this may have just been a battle between two, you know, average teams or subpar teams. But you didn't have that ability when you got down to come back in recent years.

I mean, with Alex, no chance. You know, you had to be a front running team more times than not. And you've got quick strike ability with the weapons they have and with the quarterback having, you know, a big time NFL arm. But weren't they down a lot of those games that Smith won? Like every game they were down. The year in 2020? In 2020, yeah, they came back a couple of times. They did.

But remember the feeling going into that season was there's no chance that Alex Smith can throw you, you know, back into a game. No, no, no, no, no, no. The game that he won from being behind was the game against Pittsburgh on that Monday or Tuesday afternoon during COVID. That was the big game. He did bring them back against Detroit when they were down a bunch of points, and they ended up losing when Chase Young had that 15-yard penalty that put them in Prater field goal range, remember? And he made a long field goal to beat him, 30 to 27. All right, will you All right, other couple notes, big plays in the game.

I had a couple other things. Please. I did think Forrest played well. I think that, honestly, one of the plays I thought in the game was they're in that no-huddle drive at the end of the half. Yeah. And I think that Lawrence finally found some rhythm. Right.

And Forrest makes that big hit, and it's a fumble that goes back like seven yards. Yeah. and then they get a pass break up by Forrest in the back of the end zone on third down where they took a shot and Forrest does a great job running with the seam breaking up a pass in the back of the end zone, which is tough play, and then they miss a field goal. Yeah. That's underrated because they didn't recover the fumble, but I thought it was a big play. Yeah, I mean – I thought the personal foul lowering your helmet, and he did lower his helmet was kind of a crap call. He's trying to make a big play on the side. I don't know where else he goes with that.

He had the pick late, but I'm not overly impressed with the pick late. Well, the back lowered his helmet. The back was lowering his helmet at the same time. Agnew. Yeah, I don't know when the back lowers his helmet, what you do. Yeah. So I thought Forrest did make some pretty good plays in this game. I thought Cole Holcomb played pretty well other than the mistackle on the pitch,

the ETN where he scores. Right. I thought Payne played well. I thought Allen played well. I thought Sweat made a lot of big games. place in this game. I did too. So those were guys I think were studs on defense. Offensively, I thought Curtis Samuel

played exceptional. He's a problem. That offense really could be a problem. Dotson's a star. Terry McLaren's Terry McLaren. Gibson ran it fairly well. It made some good plays receiving out of the fact, though.

And I think that's where I would see him more. I think they would really like James Robinson. I don't think their offensive lines are going to be good enough to really dominantly run the ball against anybody watching them this week. Even though they should be better, Norwell should be better,

they struggle with open edges on either side with both tackles to really run to the front side with open edges. There'll be an inside run team more times than not. I don't know. It's one of those funny games where I do think that Washington played fairly well on offense. They probably should have had some more

points and didn't, I think that Jacksonville probably should have put up 35. And what's crazy is it wasn't bad defense. I don't think they got gashed like you think they get gashed in the run game. Robinson came in the second half and had some big runs. He's a better back right now. I think they wanted to go with ETN early

and after a couple of those the fumble, the drop, some of the stuff, they're like, okay, get Robinson in. Just get him in to run the ball. He's good. I'm surprised they didn't run it more with Robinson. after some of those carries early in the second half. I'm surprised they just didn't commit to that.

The defense struggles a little bit with some stretch stuff. The linebackers don't fit just right. Some of their D-linmen, especially 92, plays behind blocks quite a bit. So they're going to get some more stretch run against them. Wise, yeah. I just don't, yeah, it's one of those funny things. I don't know how to feel about anybody in week one. I don't know how exactly to feel about them in week one

but I've always thought it was incredibly important no matter who you play to find a way to get a win in the first in the first week when you think about it though it's like 70 days something like that from the time you go to camp that you're actually preparing to play the first game to me is always so big to find a way to get a win in that game is such a confidence business

yeah it was uh oh you know what the other I thought, I thought Dax Milne is not bad at the punt return. Yeah, good point. I actually had that on my notes that I never mentioned. I thought he did a good job as a punt returner. And by the way, I bet Dotson in a pinch, if they need a big punt return, that they would use him back there. I wouldn't mind seeing that. I thought Antonio Gibson was going to return kickoffs, but now probably not because he's starting running back. I thought Gibson really, I like Gibson a lot. I think I like him much. I think I like him much. more than you do. And I just, I'm glad that they're thrilled with Brian Robinson, Jr., and I'm glad that he's okay, and apparently he's going to be ready to go in week five. And Gibson had 21 touches in this game for 130 yards. I thought he had a massive impact on the game in space and even in some of those. And those other runs. But if Brian Robinson, Jr. hadn't gotten shot two weeks ago, Gibson would have gotten five or six touches in this game, maybe.

I disagree with that. I think he would have got more touches. Well, he wouldn't have gotten 21. No, he wouldn't have gotten 21, but I still think some of those things that they had in the past game were probably more for him. Right, okay. I'm sure they have some more ideas with him as a receiver coming out of the backfield, making some plays in the past game. And he's still got that's going to get eight, eight carries. Even with Robinson, he's going to get eight to ten carries.

I guarantee that. Well, he got 14, and, you know, the only, other backs were Samuel, who was lined up in the backfield, on occasion in McKissick. And then you had the 10-yard loss by Dotson when Gibson missed the block. So, yeah, no, I think they're going to use him. I just, I thought we were going to see Jonathan Williams. You don't even know who he is, but they really like him. They kept him on the roster, and he's more of a thumper, and I thought that we were going to see

some of him and we really didn't see him for more than a few snaps. So overall, you're right. Like, you get a win in week one and you, it's easier to work on what you did wrong, one and oh. Like we've said before in the past, you don't have to be good now, but you can't play yourself out of it now. Like, you've got plenty of time to get good. You just have to be in the hunt when you get good, if you're going to get good. I think the biggest question is who did they beat Sunday? It's impossible to tell exactly who they beat. I know.

I mean, if that quarterback makes four more throws, an entirely different game. Yeah. Well, yeah. Completely different game. And to me also, because we haven't talked at all, really, this week, to me,

the one thing coming out of week one, which, you know, we just don't know that much about the league for a few weeks minimum, I just think that their offensive playmakers are legit. You know, McLaren, Samuel, Dotson, Gibson,

McKissick, Logan Thomas, you haven't even seen Cole Turner. The kid, Armani Rogers, that caught that little screen and took it 23 yards was a college quarterback Cooley at Ohio last year. I think he looks really impressive. I just think that they have a really

legit offensive playmakers. You know, the most they've had since Deshawn and Jordan Reed and Pierre and Chris Thompson and James and Crowder. We're on the field in 2016. And that to me, even though I don't know how it'll play out, I'd be surprised if they're not a good offensive football team this year. It's going to hinge on Turner and Carson Wentz.

There are playmakers. You're going to have to deal with playmakers wanting the ball. and I'm sure that well Terry's just a dude I don't think Terry cares I think Terry just wants to win and he'll play and it'll be whatever so maybe he'll be all right

you just said he's just a dude like what I mean because when John Dotson got drafted and you did his film breakdown you said they have they have somebody now that needs to be game planned for and I said well you don't think Terry's that guy and you said no he's not that guy

They just gave him $71 million in a contract extension. You like Terry a lot. I'm not suggesting that you don't like Terry, but tell everybody what you feel about Terry. I don't feel like Terry's the most impressive down-the-field vertical threat. He's not to Sean Jackson. No. But don't get me wrong, every other aspect of his game is elite.

His ability to separate, to get open, to run the underneath stuff. And I shouldn't say that because he just literally, caught a 27-yard go-ball outside. 49-yards. Cover two where the... 40-9-yard. But that is cover two where the corners... I mean, it's not like he's beating someone man-to-man,

turning into an open zone. You're not... I'm not saying he's slow. I'm just saying he... I don't think he scares you to death to take the top purely off. John Docks-Dotson will be that guy, which essentially would make Terry McCorran a tougher guy to cover. They were going to game plan.

Everyone game plan for him last year. The dude has like 10 catches a game. And it shouldn't be fair to say that because it's almost like saying the dude in L.A. Cup? Yeah, Super Cup. Yeah, we got a game plan for him. But does he scare us to death to take the top off? No.

I mean, he's going to sneak out. He's going to do some things. Right. I know. I know what you're saying. We talked about this last year. I know. I know.

I changed that office. Yes. You said it when they got him. You said that's the reason the Rams are going to win the Super Bowl. I can't imagine the Washington team. Yeah, rookie tight end can separate a little bit as a receiver if he gets back. Because it's not, I mean, Logan Thomas is going to make plays. And he's qualified.

He's a starting tight end or a solid too. But he doesn't separate. And watch the corner route that. They took the shot at him, too, where I thought that was actually a good ball by when. One on one to the corner where he was blanketed, gave him a chance to go get it. Right. The corner route, he runged straight down the field at seven yards. He's got off safety, and he just rolls into a corner route.

Like, you maybe want to give him a head nod for a stick or something, stem him different. You can't just roll into the corner route and think you're going to beat it, dude. I like baits in the game, too. He worked his butt off as a blocker, dropped a big third and two. Yeah, he did drop that. Bumbling around in there. Yeah. Look, I mean, not a...

He did look like a natural... He banged into the middle linebacker. Banged into the middle linebacker and just turned around and went the other way. Oh, I'll go this way now. Can't get that way. But I mean, I do like... I like base. I think he's a hard worker.

Yeah. All right. Can we finish up? I want to get your thoughts on the Monday night thing. Nathaniel Hackett, the head coach of Denver and his presser yesterday, did have, I guess, a moment of clarity which he did not have during the game on Monday night. We'll finish up with that. And also, a Ryan Fitzpatrick interview that didn't go very well with some guys at,

I don't even know where they are now. We'll get to all of that right after these words from a few of our sponsors. If you haven't rated or reviewed us on Apple and Spotify in particular, please do so. It's such a big help for us. On Apple in particular, five stars if you're so inclined in a quick one-to-two-sentence review. So the Monday night game between Denver and Seattle was the most watched Monday night game since 2009. And the most watched Monday night opener since 2006, a game played between Minnesota and Washington. Minnesota won that game 19 to 16.

But Nathaniel Hackett, the coach that decided to send his kicker out for a 64-yard field goal attempt, instead of leaving Russell Wilson on the field for a fourth and five, had his day after presser and said this about the decision. You know, looking back at it, we definitely should have gone for it. Just not, you know, one of those things, you look back at it and you say, of course we should go for it, we missed the field goal. But in that situation, we had a lot. a plan. I mean, we had a plan. We knew that the 46 was the mark. We were third and 15, I think,

third and 13. I'm more upset about that play before it to lose yards to be able to, you know, getting that there would have definitely been better to be able to call that same play and get extra yards. But he dumps it out to Javante. Javonte makes a move. Goes a lot farther than I think we had anticipated. We were expecting to go for it on Fort down. And then you hit the mark. You know, the mark that we had all set before we started. We said 46 yards, 46 yard line was where we wanted to be and we got there. So we had to make the decision if we wanted to give it to Brandon. And we did and didn't work. It sucks. But hey, that's part of it. Cooley, I don't even think he was admitting that he made a mistake. He was just admitting that in hindsight, now that he knew that his kicker

missed the kick, it would have been better to go for it. Well, no shit. But this whole notion of we were trying to get to the 46-yard line, that was our number. That was our number. That was our target. They started out that drive from their own 20 with four minutes to go. The target should have been the end zone. That should have been the target with four minutes to go or like the 10-yard line for a chip shot walk-off field goal. Like to me, and I think I said this yesterday, your target is the 46-yard line if it comes down to a Hail Mary or can your kicker kick it from 64 yards out. Yeah, the special teams coach said if it comes down to a Hail Mary, or 64-yard or our guy says he can make it going in this direction from 64.

That's his outer limit. But that's not your target. What did you think of it? I love, I called you this morning to talk about somebody in the national media. But I took the kids to school and I'm just kind of cruising through the XM radio sports channels. Everyone's so excited to say, look it, hack it, walk it back now. Oh, he's just being honest. They missed a field goal.

Of course it was the wrong decision. By the way, how far did he miss that field goal by, Kev? It barely missed it, but that's really not the point. He barely missed it. Not the point, but the point is that he's capable of making it. Yes, he is. You weren't sending Brandon McManus out there on a suicide mission. to kick one eight yards short of the post.

No, that's true. But the conversation was, where can you make it from? Right. And he probably said 66. No, because the target was the 46. So the target was... That's the analytic target. No, no, no, no, that's not the analytics target.

I mean, McManus's long is like 57. Yeah, but my point is that Hackett said the 46 was the target. meaning that 64 was what McManus told, you know, Hackett and the special teams coach going in that direction that that's what he could make, that he can get at 64 yards. But that can't be your target. You're not targeting a 64-yard field goal attempt down 17-16 when you start that drive.

No. Obviously that's not the target when you start the drive. The target is a chip shot. The target's a touch shot. touchdown with four minutes to go. I understand that with 402 to go, the target is absolutely a touchdown, or it's run the clock down to where you've got it to. Right.

For a chip shot. No doubt about that. What are you saying here? Are you trying to defend his decision? I don't argue. Here's what makes this decision hard. You gave up two first, two seconds, and whatever, and paid $250 million. quarterback who should have made it a no decision. So yes, it's the wrong decision. When you give up

all of that for Russell Wilson, you are committed to that fourth down and five situation in saying he will give us a better opportunity to convert and get us closer than kicking the 64-yard field goal. What do you think the percentage of him making that fourth and five in that situation to give you some context. I think last year, I was looking this up the other day for some weird reason for high school football. But in the NFL last year, I think fourth and five-ish, it was 48% conversion. His career is 54% just so you know. And also the context. And that's what I was going to say is with Wilson, you are raising your percentage with the other added factor is that he can run for it. Right, although he doesn't look as interested in running anymore.

That was an observation I made from the game the other night. But let me just give you one other piece of information here. They really had not been stopped other than at the goal line where they fumbled going into the end zone twice. Right. So they had Seattle's defense gassed, gassed. And then the flip side to that is this dude McManus career beyond 60 is one for eight, beyond 62. he's 0 for 6, and he kicks in Denver. So most of those attempts were probably in Denver, not at sea level.

It's a no-brainer. You leave the quarter. I said to Tommy yesterday, if the quarterback had been Nate Sudfeld or Ben Danucci, you still leave him out there. That's still your better chance of winning. I'm not leaving Ben Danucci out there. Yes, you are. Yes, you are.

You're not kicking a 60. Okay, you're going to, you're going to, if Denver. What do you mean? And I don't even like kickers. No, the game wasn't in Denver. The game was in Seattle. Yeah, you're right. He was in Seattle. Yeah, no, I'm for some reason thinking McManus. Yeah. I mean, here's the thing. He misses it by a foot.

He missed, he barely missed it. It was a wrong decision by a foot. Here's what you haven't seen yet, because you just saw the highlights. Seattle called a time out before the first attempt, so he did one of those practice kicks. And it was wide left. And it was wide left and short. At that point, there's no effing way I'm leaving him on the field. I'm putting Russ back on the field.

I just saw my guy take a practice kick and miss it badly, wide left and a little bit short. I'm going to let him kick it again. It's funny because Hackett said, yeah, well, he got that one out of the way. The part is, is it just my kicker kick short on the practice kick? I have no question. Here's the other question. Why are you calling timeout if you're Seattle? We just let them kick it.

Well, I mean, they're trying. I would have to ice a kicker. For them to go back and go, yeah, no, let's pull this. Pull the plug on this one. Oh, that's a great point. I was about to say, yeah, why would you call the time out to ice a kicker before a 64-yarder? That's the biggest no-pressure kick in the history of kick. because everybody's expecting him to miss it because you know why?

There's like basically a 2% chance he might make it. And he almost did. But you're right. But you're right. Seattle calling that time out. Should have given Hackett a chance for his brain to clear and for him to say, wait a minute, what am I doing? We traded all of this stuff and then gave this dude all of this money and he's really good on

fourth down. Yeah, we haven't even talked about the fact. that they let the clock go down to 20 seconds. They should have called a timeout with about 35 because even if you get it, you want more plays to get in chip shot range. But anyway, I don't think in listening to him that he did a mea culpa on that. I think he was just saying, well, now that I know the guy missed it, of course I would have done it differently.

But they... You can't do what Mayacolpa. Your quarterback said, I'm all in. I believe in what we're doing. It's his first game. He said we're all in with coach's decision. He's putting a tough spot. It's the right decision if that kick goes two feet to the right.

It bails them out of a bad decision if the kick goes in. Let me just say right now, if I was the GM, and I just made that deal for Russell Wilson, or if I was the owner, and there's any question in that timeout, I'm on the phone. You're going for it. this isn't your decision now. You can't do that for the coach's first game. You can't do that in the coach's first game. Put the dude on the field.

Coach, seriously, get him out there now. You would never do that in his first game. Can you imagine his first game and all of a sudden the owner or the GM George Payton's on the phone? The owners, by the way, just changed in Denver. It's the Walton family. The Walmart air, Rob Walton, or, whatever his name is, and the sister.

So, hey, we own Walmart, God damn it. Put Russell Wilson back on the field right now. On the field. Get him on the field. We own Sam's Club, too. You do. All right. The last thing I wanted to finish up the show with.

I don't know. What's that? I want to get to this Ryan Fitzpatrick thing. I want you, I know you're running late here. and I want to, I want you to weigh in on this Ryan Fitzpatrick thing. So let's finish up with that. So Ryan Fitzpatrick last year, as everybody remembers, was injured in the first, you know, quarter of the first game for Washington.

And he had a hip subluxation. And he's done now. He's not playing anymore. He's retired. Fun loving guy, great career, the whole nine yards. he's going to be a part of, I think, Thursday night football's Amazon Prime pregame show. So he's now part of the media. Well, he went on the Dan Lebitard show yesterday or the day before.

Lebitard's got a bunch of guys on the show. And apparently the interview was great. But now I want you to hear the very end of the interview. It's about two and a half minutes in length. But this brings up a very interesting situation that I don't think we've talked about. Listen to Ryan Fitzpatrick on the Dan Lebitard show. Brian, so there were several reports last year. Now, granted, these reports came from callers into a Washington, D.C. sports radio station

that you would hurt yourself last year before the season on a water slide. And I think that's like, listen, you probably should be doing that right before the NFL season, if indeed these rumors are true. And so I just want to either find out if they're true or put. the rumors to bet. Were you indeed? Did your career end on a water slide? No, I got hurt in a game. I think everybody saw that. But I just, I mean, I don't know. I'm now part of it. I'm now part of the media. But I think we all, and you probably already knew the answer to that question. So I know it's funny in light, but now you know you give

a rumor some some more breath but it just it's silly and it doesn't make sense and no that that never happened how does ryan fitzpatrick attack a water slide is it uh head first head first head first on the belly how's this one working we can we can move on to something else okay that's it's a lot that's the line that's the line the guy's been playing forever The guy's been playing forever, and that's the line that you cross with your water flume buffoonery. And you had to offer. That motherfucker. He just no commented us on the waterfool.

You also had to give your opinion that you shouldn't be on a water slide over the team. Like, what kind of opinion is that? I see the big bowl right before the season. The big ball water slide. This is where you've fouled it up. Fitzpatrick, you were shirtless in a bills game recently. You have no cares. You are.

Like, why is that the line? I'm glad we're not on Zoom right now. I'm glad it's just on there. But look, I mean, it's not the line. It's just giving, you know, you guys are, this is like a gotcha, like, you know. No, no, no, no, no, no. I swear it's not. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Sorry, Ryan. We were not meaning to offend you. We didn't know that we were hitting a sensitive spot. We were just fooling around. Thank you. Okay. We will let you go on that note. Our apologies, Ryan. We did not mean to foul up what was otherwise a fun interview. Our apologies for Stugat's being here for a couple of seconds, asking a question on behalf of the audience and offending you. We did not mean to do that. All right. Have a good day, guys. All right. Coolie, I'll be honest with you. I didn't know until this morning that this was even a thing last year, this water slide, you know, incident. Apparently,

Some caller called Brian and J.P.'s show last year and said, Ryan Fitzpatrick got injured going down a water slide. I was there. And that became a bit of a story. So that's why they brought it up. I think they were trying to have fun with him. Clearly he did not think it was fun or funny. And we heard Ryan Fitzpatrick really serious, really defensive.

sensitive to this. And, you know, it was accusatory. I'm not taking those guys off the hook, although I think their intent was just to have fun with them. I actually thought, after listening to it and listening to Ryan Fitzpatrick's answer, is that there may have been some truth to this. He may have been injured before he ever started. What did you think of it?

I don't have a problem with them asking about it. It was more of the way they asked him about it. to me this morning. And so much the question was, so a water slide ended your career? I mean, it had a pretty good career. Like the lack of respect to that,

maybe not the best. The funny thing is, is Ryan Patrick, a smart guy, he's witty, he's usually funny, he has a good sense of humor. I would assume that it would be laughed about.

Where he went with it was insanity to me. he could have just said that was a funny story no that's not what happened I got hurt playing yeah but it sounds like it was true

no I thought this my whole career if I ever got hurt doing something off the field I promise you I won't make the first day of practice I promise wait say that again you broke up I said if I get hurt

doing something I wasn't supposed to be doing or something frowned upon I promise I will make it to the first day of practice, in which I will promptly be hurt there. Yeah, because you want to get paid. Yeah. So that's my... I mean, here's the interesting thing, though. Like, I don't know if a water slide fits in the realm of things that are at risk.

Yeah, tell me what was in your contract. What couldn't you do? Well, if he was out there riding his Enduro motorbike, then no, you can't do that. Motorcycles off limits. Skin off limit. Snowmills not necessarily in there, but I started riding snowmobiles and decided that was a bad idea.

It's off limits. Basketball, people get hurt all the time, not off limit. It's sort of vague. Hang gliding probably not something you should be doing. Certainly off limits. What else? There's like a statement in these contracts. What is it?

High risk. What is it? Yeah. Yeah, there's some high risk. Well, going on a water slide is not high risk, is it? No. Yeah. So where did he get hurt on this?

Like I would be super interested in where he got hurt. Well, we don't know that it's true, but if we assume that his reaction gives us at least some pause to consider that it might be true, I don't know. I mean, do you do some sort of cannonball, you know, at the top of the water slide going down it? I don't know. I mean, is it possible that it was so steep and so steep on both sides that you go up one side? and then somehow you come down really hard into the middle of the slide. I don't know. I mean, it's been a while since I've been on a water slide.

I just was curious because if he entered that season injured, and he played and he got injured after the first quarter, and it was like he's essentially doing what you did to collect his $10 million. It's too, it's kind of too late now. I don't know how the team would, how you'd even go back and prove. I mean, who's to say? He could say, yeah, I was on a water slide. I didn't get hurt, you know, I got hurt in the football game.

Yeah, there were witnesses there that said I was limping around. I was just limping around because I just picked up my, you know, my youngest son or whatever and was having fun with him in the pool. I mean, it's too late now. They'd have to chase it. They're not going to chase the money for Ryan Fitzpatrick. I just thought the answer was really, I don't want to say revealing, because I'm not sure one way or the other, but this guy who's had one of the best senses of humor and has been Mr. Play-Along in almost any interview got really pissed off.

It was really strange. Yeah. I just don't see. Clearly it's been brought up enough times to him by whoever that he hates it. hate it. Yeah. I had not even heard about it before. I mean, that,

I don't know how many times it's been brought up. Do I sit there and listen and consume all of the other content? I don't necessarily, but I know if there was a story last year about a water slide injury to Ryan Fitzpatrick, I'm pretty sure most of us would have heard it. And if some of you are listening saying, Sheehan, how could you have forgotten that? Okay, but I had to be told that it was part of JP and Brian's show last year,

and it was a caller for crying out loud. But still, these guys knew that it came from some sports talk radio show in D.C. Anyway, whatever. What was the... I don't know. Did you ever break your contract with high-risk activity? You have to get hurt in a high-risk activity to break your contract. I understand that, but...

Oh, is that true? You've got to get hurt. Okay. So you can still do you. You can do those things. If I was skiing and had, I could go skiing 40 times. Gotcha. Like, that's fine.

But if I break my leg on skis, then it's not. The one thing I do know is that you pay back the entirety of the gross. Right. That's what the team would suit for is the gross salary. So if you made $1 million in salary and took home $56,000,000,000, You still owe one million. Yeah. Because they paid you one million.

Yeah. But it's really like any activity, I think, with any significant risk, right? Any significant risk or realistic risk of injury, I don't see water slide as one of those. Not on either. At all. Like all the things you... So I don't know what... Yeah.

All the things you mentioned made sense to me. You know, it's funny, you mentioned basketball. Maybe they're doing him for it. You mentioned basketball. I could have sworn it was you who told me this, and maybe it was Clinton, but that basketball was okay, but they preferred that you not play pickup basketball

outside of like the facility, that you didn't just show up at places and play pickup basketball with random dudes. Did you tell me that or did Clinton tell me that? Probably. In the lockout year, I played in a flight. footballie. You could say it's significant risk of injury, but I am playing my own sport in some sense.

Did your team win? Did you guys win the championship? We lost. We lost in the championship. I got hurt. All right. Good job today. I appreciate it.

Oh, that's a joke. I didn't get hurt. I know. It never happened. I know. Championship effort by us today. You really did a thorough job of putting things together. and I followed orders like normal.

Are you going to be with me for a Friday show and look at some Detroit to kind of tell us what to expect about the Lions or not? I can't miss you are looking live, your favorite segment that you do. That's not my favorite segment. That's not mine, but it is the favorite segment of a good friend of ours. No, no. I'll be there to see what the sharks are doing on Friday. Okay.

Sounds good. I'll be back tomorrow with Tommy on Thursday and Cooley on Friday. Later.