The Kevin Sheehan Show - Commanders' Offseason Ranks #1

Episode Date: May 30, 2023

Kevin and Thom today with a recap of Miami's Game 7 win in Boston to start. Then the guys discussed ESPN's Bill Barnwell ranking Washington's offseason as the NFL's best! The Caps have a new coach, the Nats dropped the first in LA, and Thom's dancing gets confused with Michael Jackson's.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it. You don't need it. But you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Cheon Show. Here's Kevin. Tommy's here. I am here. I mentioned this on yesterday's podcast.

I did a podcast yesterday, Tommy. And I had a very good guest on the show, by the way. Brian Simmons is a North Carolina Tar Heels football radio analyst. He was an NFL player. He was also an NFL scout before getting into broadcasting. and he called every one of Sam Howells games when he was at Carolina. He was excellent. Somebody had recommended him to me.

A listener had reached out to me and recommended Brian Simmons, and that was a great recommendation. So if you miss Brian on the show yesterday, he was excellent. And then Tommy, I had Scott McLuhan on the show on Friday, and he loved Washington's draft. He thought it was one of the best drafts of any team in the NFL. There wasn't one pick he didn't like, and almost every pick he had the player, either where they picked him were much higher in his evaluation,

including the running back Chris Rodriguez, who they picked in the sixth round. He had a second round grade on him and said that he could end up being the steel of the entire draft. So there you go from Scott McLuhan. That's great news. Great news. I read this. I read an email from somebody yesterday on the show. It was, here it is, Chuck C.

sent me a note and said, Scott McLuhan's always a good guest, but why do you think he's credible? I mean, he picked Josh Doxon and Sue a Cravence in 2016. And I just said, you know, all of these guys, the greatest general managers in the history of the game, which I'm not putting Scott McLuhan into that discussion. But they all get more wrong than they get right.

But that was not a good draft, 2016, because neither one of those two players really wanted to play football. No. Isn't that the Brandon Sheriff draft, though? That was 2015. Brandon Sheriff Preston Smith were the first two picks he made. Okay, well, those were pretty good picks. They were excellent picks. They were excellent picks. So, yeah, you're right. I mean, it's a crapshoot. projecting talent in any sport. And, you know, the gold standard for a great general manager getting something wrong is Bobby Bessert

drafting Ryan Leith. Of course. You know, I mean, he didn't want to draft Ryan Leif. He wanted Peyton Manning, but Peyton Manning was gone. Yes. Do you know in responding to Chuck's email on the show yesterday, I recollected when they hired Scott McLuhan, if you recall, it was literally within two weeks of Bruce's famous winning off the field comment. Yes, it was.

And he was getting absolutely trashed for that. And we all believed at the time that he was looking for some deflection. I don't think he really wanted to hire a general manager. And you and I did, I think, the first one-on-one, or, you know, in this case, it was the two of us and Bruce Allen interview after the press conference to announce Scott McLuhan. By the way, you know who broke the news on Scott McLuhan? Yeah. Me. I broke the news that it was Scott McLuhan.

Did you really? I did. I had somebody that told me who Washington was going to hire as a kid. a general manager type and I got I got his number. I won't tell you how I got his number. I called him and he were, don't you remember that the he told me that he had spent like eight hours at Dan Snyder's house. And so when I when I broke the story on our show, I mentioned that And they got so upset at me saying that he had spent, you know, all the, it was like eight or 12. Maybe it was, maybe it had been like 16 hours.

I can't remember it exactly. It was some obscene amount of time that he spent at Dan Snyder's house. And I reported that. And the team was upset about it and called Chuck and said the reporting was wrong. Kevin's dead wrong about that. Chuck Sapienza was our program director. And he came in and I said, I don't know what to tell you. This is what the man told me.

He told me that in interviewing for the job, he spent. And again, I'm forgetting the actual hours, but it was some super long period of time that he spent 12 hours with Dan Snyder at Dan Snyder's house. Interviewing with Dan Snyder. But this is the standard operating procedure seems like for anyone who gets interviewed at Snyder's house. They always spend an ungodly amount of time there. They did. And so it wasn't a surprise to me that he told me that. But I was just describing what he had said.

Anyway, Chuck, you know, to his credit, went back to him and said, Kevin's adamant that that's exactly what Scott McLuhan told him in their conversation. And when they introduced Scott McLuhan, Dan Snyder himself is part of the introduction. I'm pretty sure it was Dan. I'm kind of getting maybe some of the details, you know, a little bit off because it is eight years ago. But I think Dan's the one that said in the introduction, and maybe it was Bruce who said it in the introduction, that he spent an entire day or he spent 10 hours or whatever it was with Scott McLuhan, and he just really enjoyed it.

And with that, I was just like, thank you. Hello. Why would I make up that, you know, he told me that he. he had spent that much time with him. Anyway, what I was going to say is we were the first show, you know, after the press conference to interview Bruce. And I, my recollection of it was, is it looked like we were interviewing somebody who did not really think that the person he hired was going to have any sort of say over him.

Because we both asked him, like, will he have final say on personnel? will he have say on the coaches at the end of this year? And Bruce was reluctant to give him any sort of real power other than to say that the draft was going to be his area of responsibility. Look, he didn't want to hire a general manager, so he hired a broken general manager. With all due respect, I don't mean to show any lack of respect to Scott McLuhan, but he couldn't get hired anyplace else,

of his personal problems. Right. At the time, that's true. So Bruce hired a guy that in some ways he knew would fail to come into a place where the demons that he was fighting, it was not going to be easy to do so at Redskins Park in the atmosphere, in the frat house atmosphere that they ran out there. So he hired a guy that almost like he knew would self-destructuring. because Bruce, Bruce is that devious and that conning. Yeah. Yeah. It was, no doubt.

You're 100% right. And look, you know, it didn't work out. And some of that was on Scott. Okay. I mean, ultimately, he was accountable and responsible for himself. I mean, let's not forget. Because I, let me just tell you, I have enjoyed my conversations with Scott in recent years. and he's easy to root for because he's a really good guy.

And anybody that ever had a chance to sit and have conversations with him will tell you what a really good guy he is and everybody wants him to succeed. And by the way, what a really good talent evaluator he was. But don't forget that the case that he brought against the team for whatever was owed to him in remaining compensation because they fired him with cause and they didn't pay him. He did not win that case. That's right.

And so anyway, this came from Evan. Evan wrote, he talked about Chris Rodriguez and gave the dreaded Marshawn Lynch comparison. Didn't he do that with Matt Jones? I think he did. I think he did. You know, I think Marshawn Lynch is one of his, I think Marshaun Lynch is one of his favorite backs. And he talked about, by the way, Frank Gore, who he has look at some of these players with him and is still close to Frank Gore. Frank Gore fell in love with Rodriguez as well.

Now, why did he fall to the sixth round? It sounds like there may have been some stuff there with Rodriguez that I couldn't find anywhere, but there could have been a reason that he fell. But we'll see. Listen, I like Matt Jones when they, I like Matt Jones when they, I liked Matt Jones when they picked him. And I thought he was going to be a good player. Yeah. He loves Kwan Martin, really likes Rodriguez, loves Forbes, said that if Forbes was a little bit heavier, he would have been a top 10 pick. So he really liked the draft. And he talked a lot about Sam Howl, too, and his thoughts on the quarterback situation here. So if you haven't listened

to it, that must have been all good as well. Yeah, yeah, for the most part, it was positive. You know, I mean, the one thing that I'll mention is that I have said in recent months that I don't think he fell from projected first round, second round to the fifth round because he took a step back, you know, from a statistical standpoint in his final year at North Carolina. That's just not how quarterbacks get evaluated by scouts and general managers. I mean, stats are one thing, but it's your, they're looking at whether or not you look like a player that can translate to the next level as an NFL quarterback. And for whatever reason, he dropped. He dropped big time. I mean, Josh Allen's the example of a guy that really had a step back, you know, final year at Wyoming statistically. And he didn't drop. He moved up. So, and I asked him about that, and he agreed. He said, no, that's not the reason. You know, his statistical drop, which wasn't that big, by the way. You could almost make the case that the rushing yards, which increased to 800 and something,

and actually if you take away the quarterback sacks, he actually rushed for over 1,000 yards, because in college football, they count a quarterback sack as a rushing number. You could almost make the case that he proved that, you know, he can do whatever it takes to give his team a chance to win. So it was something else, and he didn't know what it was. was. He did not know what it was, but he agreed that you don't fall three to four rounds because the stats weren't as good in his final year as they were the year before. But he liked him. He liked a lot about him. And he had a higher grade on Sam Hal than a fifth rounder. So there you go. Rate us and review us if you have a chance on Apple and Spitz.

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By the way, this was from Dakota. Kevin, this show is amazing. love it, five stars. And then Dakota says, you remind me so much of my father who introduced me to the team. Rest in peace. Don't stop being you, closed quote. Well, rest in peace to your father, Dakota. I don't, I can't, you know this about me because this was not my, I wasn't in broadcasting my whole life,

but it's weird to me. And I bet people have been saying it to you for a long time since you've been a writer for long time when they say oh man i've been listening to you or i've been reading you in your case or and listening to you since i was a kid this makes me feel so old i get it a lot i get it a lot i get it a lot that they i get it both in my writing and when we were on the radio together i get kids who used to listen while their dad was driving in the car we're now young adults and listen to the podcast. I get that.

Yeah. It's just, yeah, it's incredible how time kind of flies. Here we are in 2023. May 30th, 20203. By the way, thank you, Dakota, for the five stars and the review. And again, follow us on Apple and Spotify, rate us and review us if you can. The caps hired a new coach. I guess we'll have a comment.

We're two on that. We're not the experts. We're not the go-toes for the Spencer Carberry hire. And we did not book a guest for the show today to talk about the Spencer Carberry hire. Although I had Ben Rabie, who is excellent on the radio show talking about Spencer Carbary. So you can find that at the team 980.com. But we have to start the show with the Miami Heat going into Boston last night and winning game seven. So I'm just going to start by asking, did you watch the game?

Of course I watched it. What do you mean of course you watched it? That's not an course? We'd have to talk about it. It's a game seven. You know, we're doing the podcast the next day. Okay. So I knew I'd have to watch it.

I was flipping back and forth between that and the next game. But, you know, I might have missed a couple of three-point three-point shots, you know. I think I caught most of them, but I might have missed a few. After all, there were only 70 of them. That's good. That is good. The Celtics were 9 for 42 in the game. I didn't even look to see what the heat number was. How many did they shoot? Let me just see. Well, they had 28. So 70 on the nose. 70 on the nose.

That's actually not, you know, certainly not a record. I mean, we've had some teams shooting the 60s on their own. But it certainly illustrates the glory of the game in the year 2023. Well, if that's what you took. Like Shaq said last night in the post-game show, if I was on a team that was 0 for 10 and three-point shooting in the beginning of the game, I'd say it in my teammates. The next guy to shoot the three-pointer gets punched in the face. I heard him say that.

I heard him say that. They were great last night, all of them. Barkley on the Celtics was great. At halftime, he said, I just can't believe this dumb-ass team. That was his comment. They are one dumb basketball team. They've got no discipline. you know, it's remarkable that they won game six, you know, on that put-up with, what, two seconds left in the game.

I mean, because, I mean, they were lucky to win game six. They almost blew the lead. Miami came back, and I thought that Miami was going to win game seven. I didn't think, but Boston, they're just, they're just a mess fundamentally. They've got no discipline. It's a team that if their talent is on, they win. If their talent is having it off night, they have no plan B, which is so much the problem in a lot of the NBA these days.

Everyone has a plan A. No one has, like Mike Tyson would say, a plan after they get punched in the mouth. You really thought Miami was going to win the game last night? Yes, I did. I mean, I think the Celtics, I mean, the fact that I, I think, somebody posted on Twitter when I talked about how unwatchable the game was.

Oh, you thought the game was unwatchable? Oh, unwatchable. Absolutely. And I'm not the only one, buddy. Oh, my God. It was unwatchable. And the fact that you have

started this campaign to try to convince people that this is the greatest basketball we've ever seen in the history of the NBA is so overcompetable. is so overcompensating because you know deep down this sucks and you don't want to be on the island all by yourself anymore I know I'm not on the island by myself I watch you know all my NBA analysts that I consider really good like Legler etc had Legler on the show last week.

Legler gets paid to say that. No, he doesn't. He doesn't get paid to say that at all. Yes, he does. No, he doesn't. That's a stupid thing for you to say. He doesn't get paid to say that the NBA is the greatest, is at the highest levels we've ever seen.

He doesn't get paid to say that. Oh, Jesus, Kevin. He gets paid to analyze the games. What do you mean he gets paid to say that? It's an ESPN product. Even you know that that's not true, as you just said to me. It's an ESPN product. Okay.

He's not going to get on there and say it's unwatchable. Right. Which is what Barkley said about the Celtics last night. And he works for another NBA. network. So I do think that what I've watched during this postseason is some of the highest level basketball ever played. And you're not going to get me to back off it because I just don't, it's what I've, I watch a lot of basketball, as you know, and I've watched a lot of basketball over the years. And that's my opinion, and I'm sticking with it. I don't think there's

been, you know, any team in recent years that has played at a higher level than the than Denver's played at during this postseason. But last night, for me, this is just my opinion, was not unwatchable at all. It was drama, and I loved every second of it. Let me just tell you that before the game started, the fact that you thought, now I bet Miami plus the seven and a half, I will tell you that I did bet them plus the seven and a half, because I just was hopeful that what I had watched,

from Jimmy Butler and from Eric Spolstra, and at the same time, as you know, going back to the beginning of the postseason, I thought this Joe Missoula literally, I think I could have done a better job with the X's and O's than he did with the Celtics during this postseason. But their talent is superior

to almost everybody in the east, maybe with the exception of Milwaukee, and they'd gotten on a roll. They had won three in a row. The game five in Boston was Boston at their best in rhythm where they're a good defensive team. That's the one thing you can really say about them. Consistently, they've been pretty good defensively.

And then when they nearly choked away the game Saturday night, because they were the better team for three and four-fifths of that game on Saturday night, Boston was. And then they did what they did. They just stand around. They jack up threes. And all of a sudden, Butler, who had the worst. worst game that he's had in the entire postseason on Saturday night. He looked sick. He gets

all of a sudden on a roll and Miami's on the verge of knocking them out. And I was so rooting for Miami. But when that tip-in happened, I'm like, fuck, it's over. I mean, they're not winning in game seven. And, you know, the Boston was a heavy favorite, prohibitive favorite last night. Nobody that, you know, the experts was picking Miami last. night. And even though I put a little bit on Miami plus the seven and a half, it was truly hopeful more than anything else. I didn't think that they really had much of a chance to win the game. So kudos to you for thinking that, because you were definitely in the minority. What I loved about the game last night is I love when the smarter, tougher team and with the bad

the badass competitors win in that kind of environment. And to me, it was the opposite of unwatchable. To watch Miami go in there in a game 7 with everything basically against them, they're on the road in what was, I mean, if you watch the beginning and the buildup to that game, that was as good an environment, insane. environment in Boston. They are great fans up there. By the way, for all of their sports teams, phenomenal fans, that was an absolute, you know, hornets nest that they were going into. And before that game, like five minutes before tipped, I'm like, they got no shot. No shot.

And then to see what happened, you see it every once in a while, especially with a big favorite in a one-and-done environment. It could be the NFL playoffs. You know, where you got the one seat against a wildcard team, and all of a sudden they're in trouble, and then they really start to feel the pressure. Last night to watch what happened to Boston, when they got down by double digits in the second quarter, that was, for me, fascinating, dramatic. They choked so badly. Now, we have to mention Jason Tatum got hurt on the very first possession of the game,

and I don't know if the game would have been different had he been healthy and been up to it. I mean, in the last game seven, they played against Philadelphia. He had 53 points. He's really talented and is a massively good offensive player, even with no plan B, which you're totally right about because they didn't have a plan B. But to watch every dribble look like they were trying to dribble a medicine ball to see every shot which, you know, every time it went up and missed from behind the arc in particular, it was like the arena was choking. The team on the floor was gagging. They all knew it. And then

you've got this other team who's totally able to take advantage of it because they've got badasses on their team. And they are well coached by Spolstra. So I, you know, watching them the pressure of every shot, every dribble, every pass, watching Jalen Brown literally melt down. Melt down. It's too hard here. No, I'm not. Why? I'm telling you how I felt watching this game.

It was unbelievable. I was on the edge of my seat watching this the entire night until the fourth quarter when they pulled away. Because I was still half expecting Boston to make a run. I thought it was sports, one and done in the David Goliath sort of, you know, setting as good as, I mean, I love it. I love when that happens. To me, I've said this a million times in the past. I love when the road team in a playoff goes in and wins. I think it's more Joe Gibbs' teams, Joe Gibbs' second or third.

all time in road playoff wins. And in many ways, the games they won at Soldier Field or at the vet or at Tampa in his second go-round were more thrilling than even the home games because they weren't expected. You know, they were the underdogs and there's something exciting about seeing a team go in there with brass balls and do what Miami did last night. So that's why I would describe it as the opposite of. unwatchable. Now, what was unwatchable was poor Joe Missoula, who not only doesn't have a clue

when it comes to X's nose. And look, I understand he's a new coach. I understand that he didn't, you know, they gave him a job that he wasn't supposed to have. I understand all that. But he's also incredibly, he's either, maybe he's super shy, I don't know, but he thinks he's Popovich doing these, interviews with these one-word answers. Like he's got it all figured out. He actually was asked in the post-game show, do you think you should have shot less threes? And he said, no.

Shack saying that, Barclay saying that, the whole time I'm watching them run zone offense, and Tommy, this is the God's honest truth. This dude has no idea how to beat just a basic zone. Now, Miami does a great job of disguising. They pressure, they drop back. They're in a two-three. They disguise it as a three-two.

They disguise it as man. There's lots of things. They're really good. But, you know, a zone in the NBA is not a zone in college because of the defensive three-second rule. So you can't, like, pack it into the paint. There's still big areas of the middle of the floor wide open against a zone. I think maybe on three occasions, I saw.

saw somebody flash to the middle. I mean, they had four to five guys on the perimeter, and they're trying to beat it with dribble penetration. Like, seriously, it was an embarrassment. Their zone offense. And what they rely on is they rely on, well, we're going to beat it with dribble penetration. We're going to get through it somehow, which they didn't. Or we'll settle and we'll make some shots.

And then hopefully defensively, we'll turn them over and we'll get a out in transition because Boston's been a pretty good defensive team throughout the postseason. But that was an embarrassment by them in the way they ran their offense in particular. In meantime, Spolster comes out of timeouts with pressure surprising them. He comes out with really good plays after a timeout. They've got under the basket, you know, set plays. Boston just runs, you know, Operation Get Open. That was one dreadfully coached basketball team the entire postseason.

You won't see that in the finals at all. You'll see, I think, the two best coach teams during the postseason anyway, and the two teams that have played great basketball, team basketball. But I loved it last night. I really did. And I give Miami so much credit. You just described a team that basically self-destructed more than got beat. And where's the fun in that?

In some ways it's true. but the self-destruction, yes, I described what the coach did, but before that I described what the pressure did to him. Because you could see, I mean, you saw that, right? You could see once they got behind double digits. It was like every miss shot, there was like you could, remember we used to say this, it's not a perfect apples to apples comparison. Remember when the caps hadn't won the cup and how many of those game sevens at home they lost,

And there would be like as the game moved on in game seven and they were down like one nothing or whatever, there was just this expectation and this tightening up of the team, of the crowd, and you just knew that something good wasn't going on. That's not the same thing because with the caps, there's the history of it, you know, and I think that that was more of a cumulative thing. But last night, the expectation at Tip was, this is going to be the first time in NBA history. We've seen a team come back from 3-0.

And I'll tell you, I bet the heat earlier in the day. And I was like, before that game tipped, I'm like, there's no way. There's no chance. What happened in game five is going to happen in this game. And I also thought that Jimmy Butler and Bam out of bio in game six in particular really looked tired. I thought Butler looked tired last.

night. I thought he played much better than he played in game six. And he was really huge with some of those threes that he knocked down and was great defensively too. They were great defensively in their zone. My God. I don't know how you don't. I mean, for you basketball people, you know, two, three zone. Short corner, high post, reverse the ball, short corner flashes and the middle's wide open. And they were bigger than Miami with Robert Williams on the floor. Yes.

It was just so... That's amazing. They were bigger than them. Yeah, bigger. Bigger and in some ways stronger than them. And the only size for Miami, look, Bam's a, you know,

he is a legitimate defensive and rebounding force. He's been horrendous on offense the last couple of games. I like watching Miami play. Love it. Love watching Butler play. Caleb Martin was, I think you could have easily made the case that he was worthy of the most valuable player in that series, especially with the way he played over the final. They certainly don't win the series without him.

Nope, they would not have. But then again, you go back to earlier in the series when they took a three-nothing lead, Butler was, you know, incredible in those games. And I thought he was really good last night. He really, I mean, he is the definition of letting the game come to him. Nothing is forced. He is super patient. I thought way too patient Saturday night as that game started to get away from him. I still don't know how they took the lead.

They were never in that game, really, down 10 with four minutes to go. It never felt at any point Saturday night like they were the better team than Boston. But last night from start to finish, they just took it to him. And then when Boston got behind, it was like suffocating for them. them and their fans. I enjoyed it. It sounds like you didn't, but I enjoyed it. And I would imagine, other than the fourth quarter when the game got out of control,

I bet you that the ratings were outstanding for the game, although it wasn't close, and sometimes that hurts the number. Anything else on your favorite NBA playoff season ever? Are you going to watch the finals? Yeah, I'll watch the finals. I enjoy watching Yokets, and I enjoy watching Jimmy Butler. But I'm not operating on their illusion that these teams belong on the same court with the Spurs, with the 80 Celtics, with the 80s, with the Bulls, not even on the same court.

Well, you know, we're going to get into the conversation about that. We're going to get into the conversation. about sort of the evolution of the game and the athletes and the differences in the games of players today look to me the 86 Celtics the 86 Celtics we're not talking about players players do not necessarily make the style of the game okay athletes can get bigger and stronger and the game can go backwards at the same time well the skill level isn't going backwards that's for sure And every shooting percentage number will tell you that. Well, that's your opinion.

Because I've watched the three-point as you have and enjoyed it, I just have a different perspective. And I think, like, I'll tell you what Chuck said last night, and he was so right, Barclay. He said, you know, he wasn't railing against the volume of three-point shots. He was railing against the three-point shot select. And that's because Boston doesn't run good enough offense to get open shots. To me, in this day and age, watching this game, I mean, if you want to take away the three point line, then

things change, obviously. But I would much rather have a good shooter shooting an open three than an open two. I mean, it's not even close. Boston, in the last two games, they show. mostly contested threes. When they should have had a plan B, which is we should shred this zone by going middle, wing, short corner, back to the middle dunk. Boom. I mean, I don't know how they don't decide at some point last night. Maybe we shouldn't keep shooting these contested threes against this zone that we can't

penetrate against. It was poor. It was poor by Boston. And then on top of that, the shooting was terrible because you could see they were choking badly. I like Denver in the NBA finals. We'll talk about this. Tom will be totally prepared with a total breakdown of the NBA finals on Thursday's show.

But I can't see Miami just doesn't have the same level of players that Denver has. And the size is going to be a bad. big problem for them. Big problem. You know what else is going to be a big problem? What? All those TVs that are going to be turned off because it's Denver versus Miami.

A, B, because the product's unwatchable. Yeah, you don't really believe that. But I do believe... Yes, I do. No, you do. 100%. No, it's not. What you don't can't possibly believe is you think it's the greatest basketball we've ever seen.

That's overcompensating, Sonny. Sonny. Okay, champ, governor. I am not overcompensating because I didn't say that about last night's game. For me, last night's game was more about the game seven, won and done, and to see something that really was highly unlikely happen. And that was dramatic for me to watch. And I enjoyed it a lot. Now, there have been games and series in this postseason where I have said, and I'm not. coming off of it because I'm right. And that is that it is some of the highest level of basketball that I've ever watched in the postseason. And I'd be the first to want to go back and tell you that the 80s, Lakers, and Celtics was the best basketball, because that's still my favorite era by far.

And I still think the greatest team is the 86 Celtics that I've ever watched. but this Denver team is underrated. And if they win this series in short order, maybe because it's against an eight seed, they won't get the credit they deserve, but they've had one hell of a run. As Legler said to me the other night, he's like, you cannot find in the history of the game

a team that's averaging 50, 40, and 90. Or, you know, 50% from the field, 40% plus from behind the arc, and 90% plus from the free throw line. And they're doing this throughout the postseason. And they're really good. And I've enjoyed watching Denver, and I'm going to enjoy watching these finals.

It should be great. I agree with your first point on your last statement, and that is I think the ratings for the NBA finals are going to drop off significantly from what we've seen, which are the highest ratings in over a decade in the NBA playoffs. But I think the finals is an absolute disaster for ABC. A disaster. They needed Boston to win that game last night.

Having Boston in there against Yokic and Denver would have been okay. But no, two small market, well, not small market teams. But two, you know, one smaller market team and two kind of, you know, not exciting franchises for the general public is not going to be conducive to great ratings. but you know what? I'm sure the Stanley Cup will do great with Vegas and Florida in their Stanley Cup finals. Yeah, yeah. That should be a great Stanley Cup final.

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against the Dodgers. But Bill Barnwell, who writes for ESPN.com, and we've used his columns for jumping off discussion points before, and he writes long columns. He started last week,

ranking the 32 teams in the NFL based on their off seasons from, you know, worse to best. He actually ranked the bottom half last week, so from 32 to 17, and Washington wasn't in the bottom half of off seasons. I was actually kind of surprised at that, because I still think like they didn't address their biggest need, which was quarterback. And I'm still not sure whether or not their second biggest need offensive line was addressed with quality versus kind of quantity. But they weren't in the back half of his rankings. And then this morning he put out the top half of his rankings,

ranking the best to the worst off seasons for NFL teams in this 20, 23 offseason. And at number one was Washington. Now, I was thinking, what? Seriously? Like Andrew Wiley? Nick Gates Manuel Thor was... I read that headline and I felt the same way.

I felt like, what are you kidding me? So then I got to his reason for Washington having the number one offseason of any NFL team and I completely agreed with him and I'll just read it to you. Washington had the number one offseason of any NFL team because he describes what went right was. was team owner Daniel Snyder entered into an agreement to sell the franchise.

What, you thought this was going to be about signing offensive lineman Andrew Wiley? You can make a reasonable case that no team made a more significant move to aid their chances of becoming a Super Bowl contender this offseason than the commanders did by beginning to extricate themselves from their disastrous ownership group. Snyder has overseen things for 24 years, and then he's got this graphic. Here's how the commanders have fared under his ownership versus what things looked like over the prior 24 seasons. And we know all these numbers, with the exception of one, which I'll talk about here in a moment. He writes, the difference is staggering.

Washington went from being one of the league's best teams to one of its worst. The pre-Snyder commanders had more actual MVPs than the Snyder-era commanders had of players who received a single MVP vote. during the 24 Snyder years, not one player that played for Washington got even an MVP vote. And they usually, you know, well, they end up having the point totals for like the top 10 or whatever. And then I thought about it. I'm like, well, they didn't have anybody that would have gotten an MVP vote. You know, offensive linemen like Trent Williams or Chris Samuels, they don't win MVPs. You know, their defense, interior, it's not like John Allen.

would get an MVP vote. You know, detackles rarely. I mean, Aaron Donald, but, you know, rarely does it happen. And they haven't had a quarterback, a receiver, a running back, or a DB, you know, in that category. But anyway, he goes on to say, you know, they won more Super Bowls before Snyder than they did playoff games after he took over the team. One of the two playoff wins came in 1999 a year he took over the franchise. We know that. wanted to do away with the Brad Johnson trade, which would have eliminated one of his two

playoff visits. The one playoff game, the commanders won after Snyder started to reinvent the franchise to his liking, came in 2005 in a game in which quarterback Mark Brunel threw for 41 yards. That was quite the game. I love that game, though. Even in the most successful moment in the Snyder era, things weren't pretty. All of this is about what happened on the field. It doesn't even begin to consider how the organization's reputation was dragged through the mud by and then he goes on to talk about all the scandals, etc., etc. The legacy of the Snyder era is just how great it is to be an NFL owner. Snyder took over one of the most popular franchises and enjoyed virtually no success during his time in charge,

and he will make billions of dollars for agreeing to move on. And then he writes, The new ownership group led by Josh Harris and a group of partners will have their ups and downs and make mistakes as every ownership group does. It would be foolish to assume that they will immediately restore the commanders in football in Washington, to its prior heights as one of the crown jewels of the NFL, it would be even more naive to pretend Harris or virtually any other competent executive would not represent a major upgrade on the outgoing owner.

No move this offseason has been more significant. He's not wrong. Well, you know, I mean, he's 100% right. And, you know, his point is well taken about the fact that, you know, new owner does not guarantee success on the football field.

But what it probably does come close to guaranteeing is normal functioning organization that you don't have to wake up every morning and put a bag

over your head before you go outside to root for. Right. Where if you're... I mean, you can't I mean, fans, hopefully, unless they're too damaged, fans can understand judgment misses, mistakes in personnel. These are normal mistakes, okay? When you make them for 22 years, they're not normal.

But smart people make dumb decisions in football all the time. It's part of the business. And people are going to have to get use to a business functioning. as a normal business with good years and bad years. Yeah. Yeah, I just, I think it's funny because, you know, the one or two people out there that actually, for whatever reason, you know, not that they defended Dan Snyder,

but they always took the position of, you know, he wants to win, which was just such a bullshit thing that people hung on to. And or there's no guarantee that it'll be better and that you'll win Super Bowls with new ownership. there's no guarantee you're going to win Super Bowls. That's a hard thing to accomplish. But there's absolutely a guarantee that it can't be worse. You know, could they, could Josh Harris be a guy that ends up being a bad guy too?

And probably not based on what we know of him. And based on, you know, the way his other franchises have been run and, you know, not massive success, but, you know, not bottom dwellers either. It's just, it's impossible to believe that anything could ever be what this was. We witnessed firsthand and lived through the worst professional sports ownership situation of certainly this century, okay, and one of the worst of all time. And so unless you think you're going to get that too, I mean, the odds of hitting on somebody worse, it's impossible to hit on anybody worse. But I think, you know, back to Barnwell's column, you know, you absolutely can make the case because the organization in football where things are so, the line is so fine between winning and losing, your organization and the way it functions and the culture, all of those things matter. Yet also matters that you have a great quarterback and you have really good talent. But the league's designed for everybody in the league to be good every once in a while.

And the teams that haven't been are the teams that are just so incompetently run from top down, like Washington. You know, Washington played in the league over the last 25 years that was designed for it to have in 25 years five seasons of like 10 wins or more. 11 wins and several playoff wins and maybe even a deep run, you know, at some point. You know, maybe one deep run. Maybe it's not a Super Bowl win. Maybe it's just a Super Bowl trip or maybe it's an NFC championship game. They won two playoff games. They haven't won a playoff game in 17 years.

Haven't won a playoff game in 17 years. So they literally made what the design of the league is for. they rendered it, you know, impotent for them. So he's right. Like this is the most important thing next to having a quarterback is having organizational competence. Because if you have that, you know, that line is even closer to the rest of the teams that are winning. And you're going to be able to hit that, you know, every few years of.

of having a competent team and a winning team. Their chances of winning the Super Bowl in the future improved more than any one of the other 31 teams in the league by virtue of Snyder leaving. In terms of the percentage gain of improvement, improved chances. I think I said that right. I may have fucked that up. So good for Bill Barnwell to write that.

have we, I know we haven't talked about it. I don't know if you have. Have you talked about the Dan Snyder Tunnel. Is this the Channel 9 guy story? Yes. I saw it. I didn't read it. Please tell me about it and everybody else. Okay. In meeting with Virginia officials about putting the stadium in Dumfries, you know, he proposed a 35-mile Tesla-tile. tunnel to run from Reagan National to the new football stadium. And he cited the tunnels that are, Vegas has a tunnel called the Vegas loop that goes 2.2 miles under the city's convention center. And they want to supposedly expand that, but, you know, they're not close to doing it.

Snyder's suggestion for putting the stadium in Dumfries. Snyder, who can't even, whose team can't even put together a team crew, who can't put together a basic celebration of one of its most beloved players, says, yeah, let's build a 35-mile tunnel. I mean, how do you not walk out of that meaning, laughing your head off? saying this guy's a lunatic. When did he do this? I mean, God, Almighty, just stop with this bullshit about the goddamn financing, and they got to change their financing.

Oh, God, already. Jesus. You know, I compared it to, like, I compared it on Twitter. I said, the commanders are the Exxon Valdez of the NFL. And here's a guy who wants to clean up the mess, and the lead doesn't like the skimmers they're going to use. to do it. It really is. It's really, you know, I was talking to Ben about this on radio this morning, because he, I forget what he said, but, oh, he was talking about Cameron Curl and contract extension, and Ron saying, you know, basically we can't do anything right now until the new ownership

situation is resolved. And I guess on one hand, it's like, if it happens in May or if it happens in August, who gives you shit, at least it's going to happen. And I believe it's going to happen. But I actually think that we talked about this last week. It's like, my God, you got what you wanted. He decided to voluntarily sell. And then he put out this outrageous price and somebody is going to pay it. And by the way, that somebody's already an owner of one of your NFL teams, a small piece owner of the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Like, you know, okay, there's some financing. issues. You've got to vet some people. Get it done already. Get Dan the hell out. And by the way, don't put this organization at a further disadvantage by having to wait all of these months where they might not get a camcourle deal done or they might miss out on a stadium opportunity. Like it's been their goal to revive this market. And it's like they're sitting there pulling there, you know what's out to say, don't you tell us when we approve or don't approve. We'll do it when we damn well believe we should do it. I mean, no, this is a different situation after the last 24 years.

My God, your prayers were answered. All of our prayers were answered. Now, get it done already. I don't think we ever take a step back, and I think we all should sometimes, to realize how fortunate this situation has become, because there was no hope really on the horizon of dance night. ever selling this team. And how appreciative everybody should be for Josh

Harris and Mitchell Rails and Magic Johnson and Mark Ine and all of these limited partners who paid much more than what anybody else was willing to pay in a market that was basically a market of one to buy the team.

I mean, I know for Tita actually put a bid in, but he's the only other one that put a bid in. Like, okay, I mean, they took on a little bit more debt. It's because of the size of the deal. It's the biggest deal that's ever been done. All right, they had to bring on some more limited.

The league's not going out of business. The cash flow alone will be able to service the debt and some. Like, just get it done already. I mean, I know we talked about this last week, but at some point it would just be funny if Josh Harris just said, look, I want to be a part of your club. Don't get me wrong. but we're spending a lot of money and now you're making us,

you're putting us at a disadvantage. I'm going to give you guys literally a week to approve this or I'm gone. And you can go find Brian Davis to try to sell the team to. I mean, it just doesn't, I know that somebody, because I said this this morning on radio and somebody tweeted me and said, it's the same time frame as it was with Denver. and Denver had basically a cash buyer. I mean, come on.

I'm like, yeah, but Denver was also $1.35 billion less. And, you know, they had, and by the way, Josh Harris was one of the bidders on the Broncos. So they vetted him. They know what they have. I understand that because of all the limited partners, if they're 20 of them or 25 of them or if they're family members, you know, they don't want this franchise to launch with new ownership and then find out that, you know, a smaller, and when I say smaller, you know, like a $25 to $30 million investor in one of the LP groups, you know, was involved in some

sort of sexual harassment, you know, in their company's workplace or, you know, they don't want any of that, obviously. They want it to be smooth sailing. But how long does it take to vet all these people? I mean, come on. They've had this group now. We're talking about months now that they've known. that this was going to be the group.

I want to talk about the new owners. I'm done talking about this moron. Right. I wish I was done. I can't. You know what? Every time I think I'm out, they pull me back in. But this whole trade,

I got a call running for tomorrow about this whole ridiculous trademark mess now. And the arrogance of this organization to declare, we're not going to pick these other names that, the fans wanted because it'd be a trade bark issue. Right. Yeah. That was the... I mean, they just don't give you a chance. Every time I want to get out, they pull me back in. Yeah, they do. And that's why they've really got to completely clean house.

Because as much as I have given Ron Rivera credit for changing the culture of the locker room, which I do believe, and I think Ron Rivera is a good man. The bottom line is that this organization has remained dysfunctional with all of the changes that they made back in 2020. It's still not a very highly competent organization. And I know that Jason Wright believes that they're being emulated by every company around the globe for their HR practices. And maybe there are things that we don't see that they really have done well with a really good people. And I, and I hold that out the possibility that some of that is true. But everything that we've been able to see, the majority of that, or close to at least half of that, has gotten fucked up.

And so, you know, this organization, like you said, with this trademark thing, it's like, seriously? Now, I understand how trademark works to a certain extent, because in old businesses, we filed for trademarks. We filed for patents in different businesses. And I understand it's not easy. It takes a while. They just got approval on Washington football team. But their reasoning back then for not taking, you know, some of the more, I guess, they're not popular with me, but I guess they were more popular with those that were,

you know, whether it was red tails or red hogs or what's the other one that I'm thinking of? Red wolves. That, you know, they said, yeah, they just, those were really going to be really difficult. We went down the path where, you know, all of the T's could be crossed and the eyes could be dotted on, you know, the trademark stuff. And no, they got denied. They got denied. They don't get to fall back on the, you know, the trademark situations are a real difficult process. Yeah, we'd understand that for a normal business.

But not when you blew your horn that you were picking this name because it was a path of lease resistance to a trademark issue. And now you've got a trademark issue. I think it's the opportunity for the new owners to come in and say, you know, this name that this group picked, we're having some trademark issues. They didn't, you know, they didn't file it, you know, in a way in which they could, we're just, we're going to, we're going to reconsider some of the other names. I just, and they got, and by the way, they got the mark on Washington football team. Somebody pointed out to me, and I appreciate you pointing this out,

that it doesn't stop them from using the name, not having trademark protection. I understand that. I get that. But what it stops them from doing is, leveraging that trademark protection from a, you know, product sales and using that, that name on products and without having anybody compete with them, you know, and having others infringe on that mark, which is why when they eventually won that case with the patent and trademark office on the name Redskins, it was a big deal for the organization. That was only six,

seven years ago, right, Tommy? I think it was. Yes. Other than the trademark thing, which happened at the end of last week, I don't think there was any sale news from over the weekend. I didn't see anything. I mean, you know. No, there was like a Memorial Day weekend quiet time, ceasefire, so to speak. Right. All right.

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We're not going to sit here and act like, you know, we're Tark Elbuchar or Joe B or Locker or Ben Raby or, you know, any of the great caps, you know, beat writers and broadcasters in town. But it does seem like this is who they wanted all along. And it also seems like this is a guy that was sought after. He is young for a head coach. He's 41.

He got a four-year deal. He was in Toronto as an assistant where his primary job was the power play and running Toronto's power play, which finished second in the league. And he was a part of this organization with the Hershey Bears in 2018, 2019, 2020. So they were familiar with him. They took their time. He took his time. because he wanted to interview with other places. And they hired the guy they want.

I mean, Tarek said that. Ben Rabi said that. Others said this is the guy that they wanted all along, and this was a guy that had choices. So I don't know if he's going to be a great coach or not. I asked Ben Rabid, wasn't Todd Reardon Young without head coaching experience and familiar with the organization? And he said there's a little bit of a difference.

Carberry's got a little bit more kind of experience in head coaching with, you know, doing it at Hershey, and he was a big deal this year for Toronto's power play. But I don't have much more than that unless, if you do, you can, you know, you can share that with us right now. No, it's reminiscent to me of Todd Reardon, although Reardon spent more time here as an assistant coach, you know, than maybe it may be basically a head coach.

in the minor league. I'm looking at he was, yeah, he's right. Ben, Rieb is right, is that Todd Rund did not have the minor league head coaching experience that this guy has. Right. That is a distinct difference,

because I always said there's a big difference between being the assistant and the guy in charge. The assistant is everybody's friend on the team. The guy in charge is the guy to all the players. grouse about. The assistant is the guy who all the players grouse too. So this guy seems to be, you know, a good hire. They hired a guy with Stanley Cup experience before this guy, a veteran coach, and that didn't work out for them. So now they're back to the minor league coaching experience with some NHL experience as an assistant in Toronto. On paper, it looks like a strong

hire. Yeah. You know, there was some indication that maybe, you know, they'll try to get younger because they got a lot of veterans on this team. But I can tell you one veteran who's not going until he sets the all-time goals mark. That's Alex Ovechkin. Because that they will, they will, and you know what? I would not want to see him do it with anybody else, obviously. But there will be, imagine that countdown, which probably won't happen in 2024, but it'll happen. Or 2023, 2024.

but it'll happen the following year. Real quickly, I wanted to just say congratulations to the Maryland men's baseball team. They won the Big Ten tournament beating Iowa over the weekend, four to nothing. It's their first ever, whether it was in the Big Ten or the ACC conference championship in baseball. So Matt and all the guys out there, congrats on that. and Maryland I think ends up as the two seed in the Winston-Salem Regional with the number one seed, I think in the tournament, which is Wake Forest. I think that's right.

An old ACC foe, of course. But congrats to them. That's awesome. Maryland has really since joining the Big Ten, Tommy. They've been really successful in all of the sports, not named basketball and football. You know, not that they haven't had some really good teams in basketball. Don't get me wrong because they have. But they've won championships in a lot of the other sports.

And, you know, I think overall, I think the Big Ten would tell you, Maryland's been a fabulous addition, even though probably many Big Ten fans didn't want us, and we didn't necessarily want them at the beginning. Nat's – Yeah, go ahead. I heard a rumor, and this is something I would say on the podcast, I wouldn't write it because I don't know how credible it is. And this is no secret. Mike Loxley's recruiting is very strong and absolutely through the roof, but that Jalen Hertz has gone on some recruiting trips with him.

Well, they're super, super close. Yeah. I mean, that's pretty, that's a pretty good. chip to have in your pocket. I had not heard that. I had not heard that. But yeah, that's, that's, you know, he's just incredibly well regarded Mike Loxley is by every person that's ever come in contact with him. And of course he struggled as a head coach at New Mexico.

And for Maryland football fans out there, there are Saturdays when I'm watching, I'm like, God, Almighty, how many more penalties can we commit? But I'll tell you what, this guy can really communicate. He can really sell the program he's with. And everybody that he's coached, everybody that he's recruited, they all love him. I like him a lot. He's really, he's a good, normal guy. But, yeah, can't hurt having Jalen Hertz out there right now with the way Jalen

Hertz is being viewed out there helping you recruit. It's going to be much better for Mike in the Big Ten, and really for everybody not named Ohio State or Michigan in the Big Ten or Penn State. I mean, it's crazy to say this, but when USC and UCLA join the league, they're going to do away with the divisions. And so Maryland won't be stuck in the Big Ten East with Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, which really, I mean, you hate to say never. but for the most part they'd never be able to win a regular season Big Ten title. Not in that division.

These are the heavyweights of not only the league but in the country and you're pretty damn it's like 100% that one of those three teams each year is going to be one of the top two or three teams in the country for a big portion of the year.

And so you're going to have to beat them and then everybody else to get into the Big Ten title game. And once you do away with these divisions, you know, the schedule won't be nearly as brutal. Maryland should, he should have his best team this coming season. Last year was his best team. They went eight and five and won a second straight bowl game.

And this year should be his best team yet. And by the way, they have an old ACC foe on the schedule. They play Virginia. this year in college park. I think that's the second week of the season or third week of the season. And they may be talking about moving that game to a Friday night, I forget. But I like Loxley a lot. And I, you know, Maryland football's better off right now than they were before he got here.

Right now, this has been as competitive a couple of years as they've had since Friedgen was here. and of course he was on Frisian staff. And by the way, he got them to go back to their old uniforms with the scripturps starting this year. All right, so the Nats... Yeah, go ahead. Oh, you want to talk about the NAC? Well, I was just going to say that the weekend series

with Kansas City was... McKenzie Gore was unbelievable in that last game. And Luis Garcia had that big night Friday night, but they, you know, they're playing one of the big boys now, and, you know, they got batted around. pretty good last night in L.A. against the Dodgers. Yeah. Yeah, but McKenzie Gore does look like the real deal. Yeah. You know, looks like a definite stud. You're right about that. And Patrick Corbyn

continues to pitch well for them. Yeah. He does. You know, that's almost found money, even though you were already spending that money. Right. A lot of it. But, yeah, that's good. But you're right. And then the first always come to town this weekend for a series. That'll be interesting. Trey Turner and company. They've struggled. They have. Now, I haven't checked them out recently, but after Harper came back off of Tommy John, he was on fire there for a while. I don't know what he's been doing recently, but it really was, let's just see what he's done here in recent games. He's hitting 306 It's got three homers, eight RBIs, but he's cooled off a little bit.

But he had a couple of incredible games there against the Cubs a few weeks ago. Yeah, so the Phillies in town. You know what? Why don't we go, why don't we take in a game together this year? Okay. But I don't want to sit up in the press box. I'm talking about we'll get good seats. We can work that out, don't you think?

Yes. I think we can. Okay. Speaking of good seats, anybody got seats for foo fighters tonight at the opening of the 930 Club? Oh my God, have you seen what these seats are going for? No.

I have, I'm not going. I would have loved to have gone, but I didn't have a hookup. If anybody hears this podcast before the show starts tonight, wants to reach out to me, On Twitter, I'll meet you down there. We'd love to be down there for that. All right, we're done for the day.

Anything else? No, we're not done for the day. Oh, I thought we were. I wanted to tell you about my weekend. Okay. You can't wait. Oh, you were at the beach. You were at the beach again.

No, you went to a wedding. You went to a wedding. I went to a wedding. Right. I went to a wedding at the strong mansion up on Sugarloaf Mountain. This real nice mansion. It was the wedding of my niece, Annie, who was marrying a young man from Montgomery County named Connor. And it was a beautiful wedding.

But I just want to say this was my first time back on the dance floor since I partially tour my Achilles tendon back in March in Florida. And let me just say this. The Laverro legend on the dance floor was only solidified this weekend. It was. Always solidified. There were two Spanish relatives, two young women who were relatives of the family who came from Spain. And one of them walked up, told my wife, after we were dancing, you know, Tom, Tom dances like an African-American. Well, I'm just telling you, this is not the first time I've heard this.

Oh, of course not. You've got rhythm. There's no doubt about it. I'm sure I think I've seen it before. So I've been basking in the glow of that because, you know, I had to toward Achilles tendon. I would think, well, maybe I can't cut it anymore. Maybe I can't do it.

For those that were there, yeah. I would have hated not to be able to see you dance. I can still move it and groove it. I mean, when you go to these things, are your family members, like what about your wife and what about your son when he's there with you? Like, is everybody just, I can't wait to see Pops out on the dance floor? Has that always been the case with you? No, they're sick of hearing about me.

No, no, they're sick of it. Like, like, when my son, when this girl walked up to my son and told him what a good dancer I was, my son said, Jesus, don't say that to him, please. Yeah, I would probably be right there with your son. Yeah, please do not say that to him. All right. Anything else? By the way, Sugarloaf Mountain's pretty out there in Montgomery.

Well, Sugarloaf's technically in Frederick County, right? Yes. Yes. We used to go out there for like field trips when we were kids. I remember there was always every year there was a field trip to Sugarloaf Mountain. Okay. This is a great ending to the show. All right.

Back tomorrow. I'm not sure with whom, but it'll be with somebody. Have a good day. So long, boss.