The Kevin Sheehan Show - Commanders' Sale News

Episode Date: March 9, 2023

Kevin and Thom today on the news Adam Schefter broke this morning that local businessman and billionaire Mitchell Rales has joined the Josh Harris bid to buy the Washington Commanders. More Lamar Jackson talk along with Boeheim, Kyle Kuzma, and the latest on Thom's fractured foot as well. Also, Thom's final karaoke performance was delivered in front of a packed house of spring-breaking co-eds. You'll hear it.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it. You don't need it. But you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Chean Show. Here's Kevin. All right, I'm here. Tommy is here. And yes, we did have a show, Stephen, the other day, titled Fractured Foot.

Tommy's got an update on his foot coming up. And we, more importantly, have some breaking news this morning on the sale of the team. Tommy. Adam Schaefter tweeted out earlier this morning, D.C. billionaire Mitchell Rails is partnering with Josh Harris in their attempt to buy the Washington commanders per league source. Rails is the co-founder of the Donaheher Corporation, DC's largest company. I would also just add Mitchell Rails and his brother Stephen Rails, bought W-T-E-M-980 back in 1992, and switched it to Sports Talk 980. It was the beginning of 24 hours a day, seven days a week, sports talk radio in this market. And the first person they hired was Andy Poland, who became the sports director working for the Rails Brothers.

and, you know, they sold the radio station at the exact right time. It was before, you know, kind of the rules about owning certain numbers of stations and the markets were changing and they sold it to Clear Channel for a boatload of money back in, I think, 99, 98, something like that. I forget what year in particular. And he's got all of the historicals on sports. Sports Talk 980, which became ESPN 980, which became the team 980. But it was the Rails Brothers who were also one other quick note about them. They are also alums of Walt Whitman High School in Bethesda, where I am also an alum of Walt Whitman, a high school.

So you got a connection. You know these guys. You know, it's so funny. I don't know these guys at all. But I will tell you a quick story because it only happened a couple of months ago. I was at a dinner party with my wife at one of her real estate clients' houses in D.C. And this gentleman was introduced to me, and he was, and I am forgetting the name specifically of this gentleman. but I will be trying to reach out to him at some point soon,

but he was the Rails Brothers CFO for many, many years and was involved intimately back in 1992 in the purchase of the radio station. We actually had a very nice talk. He was a really nice guy. And when the Bank of America News came out in November, remember, we went through a list of potential buyers, and I listed the Rails brothers as two of the wealthiest DC people, you know, around. Like if we were going to get DC people, the Rails brothers would have been at the top of the list.

But they, you know, I didn't know whether or not they'd be interested in buying a sports team, but I remember mentioning them. And I do remember somebody telling me, yeah, they're not going to get interested in that more likely than not. They've got bigger fish to fry. I guess NFL teams aren't big enough fish. And, you know, the interest level in being high profile like that may not be that high. That's what I was told back then about them. I don't know them at all.

Have never met them before. Andy would be the one who would certainly have some insight on the Rails brothers on Stephen and Mitchell in particular. He's the one that lives in D.C. He lives in Potomac. I think the other brother lives in L.A. I could be wrong about that. Well, the other brother, the other brother is a movie producer. He is?

Rails. He owns a company called Indian Paint Productions. Tommy. And they've made some, well, yes. That's going to be your guy. I know. I want to get a script in front of this guy's hands. Absolutely. I mean, we go, listen. I got a script. We got to figure out how we can have a happy hour with the Rails brothers or maybe a lunch. We don't want to take up too much of their time. We only require about an hour's worth of

of lunch in discussion. Let's do that. Okay. One of the pictures they, this guy, Stephen Rales made, was the Grand Budapest Hotel, which was nominated for an Academy Award. So this is a big-time movie producer. Yeah. And, you know, they own this private museum called Glenstone. In Potomac. Yes. I've heard of it before. Which I've been meaning to go to.

I've been there. I haven't. I've heard of it. My wife and I talked about this a while back. She's like, we've got to go to that museum. What's the name of it again? Yes, we say the same thing. What's the name of it? It's Glenstone. Yeah. It's in Potomac, writer in Rockville, somewhere. Yeah. Yeah. It's in Potomac, and it's only open certain days and certain hours, but it is open to the public during that time, I think. I'm not sure if you need an appointment or not, but that's not the list of places we want to go. So maybe I'll run into one or the rails and say, here, look at this movie script.

Don't mess with the football team. This is big bucks right here. Well, if Wikipedia is as accurate as we think it is, he's worth $5.6 billion. And, you know, we've heard that Josh Harris, and I had the guy from the New York Post, Josh Cosman say the problem with Josh Harris is he's just not liquid enough to buy it. on his own. And to come up with $5.6 billion, he needs co-investors, which he's trying to round up.

And I suggested to him, can't he just sell a big stake in the Philadelphia 76ers? He paid $280 million for him, I think it was $280 million. And the sons just sold for $4 billion. And he said that's one way to become more liquid definitely. But there was an indication that this guy from the New York Post had that he was trying to found up co-investors. I would, by the way, also just say to those of you that knocked this guy, Josh Cosman, I've had him on the podcast two different times, as not credible because for whatever reason you think the paper isn't credible. He's been right about more of this stuff and early on

more of this stuff than I think anybody has so far. And again, I'm not doing a price waterhouse accounting of all of this. But he was the first one to suggest that Bezos was out. He was the first one to tell everybody this isn't going to be a $7 billion purchase, that the offers are much less than $6 billion.

He was the first to tell everybody that December 23rd wasn't the first bid date. It was the expression of interest date. And all of that stuff has been confirmed after the fact by other sources, other papers like the Post. But anyway, Mitchell Rails grew up here, went to Whitman in Bethesda.

He was a graduate of Whitman in 1974. Went to the University of Miami or Miami University, the one in Oxford, Ohio, which is just a beautiful school in the middle of nowhere, by the way. And, you know, left his father's real estate firm in 1970. and got into things like media in the 1980s. He owned WGMS Radio, which was, Tommy, was that the classical station? I think that was a classical station. I think so, but I don't know for sure.

And then, and that was 980, and he converted, okay, so he converted that into W2. TEM, the first sports talk station in 1992. Now, I don't know anything about these guys other than what you've said, but from people who know them, my impression is they like to keep a very, very low profile. Yes. Well, Don. That would be, I don't see him being the face of the ownership, which would make him the perfect partner for Josh Harris, who probably wants to be.

Yeah. I mean, it sounds to me, I have no idea if this is true, but I'm guessing that Josh Harris would still be the face and the lead on this bid. I would think so. But, I mean, you got to find the right guy willing to say, yeah, I'm going to put a lot of money in it, and all I'm going to get is a good seat on Sunday. Because that's what you are when you're a minority.

investor. Even if you're a wealthy, a 40% minority investor. Right. So to me, this is interesting. And again, Mitchell Rails, Josh Harris, I have no idea what kind of owners they will be. None. With Josh Harris, he has gotten decent marks for the Devils and the 76ers. I've heard various reports in terms of what Philadelphia people think of him in terms of his ownership of the 76ers, but there's been nobody to suggest that Josh Harris as a sports owner is anything resembling Dan Snyder. So that's good news. Now, I have no idea what kind of owners that they will be, though, here if they end up buying the team. I just would suggest to everybody what I've always suggested, which is it could never be worse than it's been for the last 24 years. So why don't

we try something different? My guess is it'll be a lot better. But I think, think what's significant about this, and you can correct me if I'm wrong on this, but Adam Schaefter reporting this, I don't know that he has reported anything on the ownership of Washington. I don't know if any of the big-time NFL reporters have reported anything on the sale. The sale stuff has all come from New York Post, the guy Josh Cosman, the Washington Post, front office sports, and I may be missing somebody or two, but I don't think we've had anything from what I would call somebody super close to the NFL. I think the athletic has also been in on some of it.

Ben's had something here and there, as has Daniel Kaplan. And they're Daniel Kaplan. Right. So I think they've been in on it, particularly about. owners touring the facility. I think they were the ones that broke that story. Do you think it's significant, if I'm right, that Adam Schaefter reported this? Yes, absolutely.

I mean, look, we know Adam very well, but he speaks for the NFL a lot of times. So, you know, I think this is a significant development, absolutely, that it's coming from Adam Schaefter. Yeah, I do too. I do too. It's the first thing that I kind of thought about and I wanted to talk to you about on the pod today. I think it's significant. I also think that the timing of it is such that maybe even though the reporting so far has been, including from the Post and Maskey yesterday or the day before, that he had sources including league sources, ownership sources from the committee meetings down in Palm Beach that suggested that deliberation. could last until the summer and maybe even into the fall because Snyder is really hell-bent on getting indemnification from the league. And the league isn't about to give him indemnification. In fact, remember the quote from the original story from the post about Snyder demanding indemnification against all legal and future costs associated with, you know, whatever he sells and maybe anything having to do with

the league. One of the response was, you know, we should be the ones asking for indemnification from him. You know? So the suggestion in the Maskey story was that this was a bit of a holdup right now. Now, one of the parts of that story also said that Snyder would be satisfied if the prospective new owners gave him indemnification against future legal costs, etc. So maybe, you know, if Josh Harris and Mitchell Rails come together and they offer up the indemnification, you know, by the way, before you offer him indemnification, man, do you have to do some serious research and due diligence on your purchase? Yeah.

You got to make sure that when you get in there, the building isn't falling apart and that there aren't, you know, another half dozen lawsuits. getting teed up right now against the organization? Yes, which is a very likely scenario. It isn't unlikely. So, I don't know, what I was going to say is I thought it was significant that Shefter reported it, and I think it's also significant that Chester reported it now. Because I have, my guess here over the last, you know, three weeks has been, it's going to get done and Josh Harris is going to be the guy that buys this team.

and whether Josh Harris gets more liquid by selling a stake in the devils or the Sixers or whatever or comes up with co-investors, that he's going to be the one that wins out, because I just think that this Bezos thing is real. You think the league, if they wanted Bezos to own the team, would figure out a way to make it happen. But they've got Seattle, you know, waiting for Bezos. Yeah, that's what a lot of speculation is. when the Paul Allen Trust puts that team up for sale that people expect them to do. But I said, like, I've maintained, and I have this just my instinct based on, you know, report, years of reporting,

is that if Bezos wanted to own this team, he would own this team. If he felt, if he felt like putting up a fight, I think he'd win because he's, too valuable a business partner to freeze out from owning a football team. That's like saying, you know, you can sit down and have breakfast and lunch with us, but you're not invited to dinner.

Right. Yeah. All right. Well, what I was going to say about the Chef to report and the timing of it is maybe we are closer to this thing getting wrapped up. You know, if Rails comes in, Harris has

co-investor. They up the bid a little bit. They indemnify Snyder. Maybe Snyder gets a little bit more of that debt relief from the league, who knows, to get to a number that he's comfortable with. Maybe this is right around the corner. It would be really nice if it were right around the corner, wouldn't it? Oh, yeah. Because if it were right around the corner, maybe they could then get into the Lamar Jackson sweepstakes. Yes. You know, what's interesting, also the timing. Yeah. You know, some NFL owners met in West Palm Beach this week for committee meetings,

and the commanders, according to reports, were a big topic. Now you have this news come out. Is there an echo in here? Were you just not listening to what I just said? No, I wasn't. I just talked about the Palm Beach committee meetings and the stuff that Maski reported. and that I think the timing of this is interesting. You know what?

You just sometimes, sometimes you just don't even listen to me. I know what you're doing because you're not in front of me right now, but I know what you're doing. You're in your phone and you're scrolling and you're reading something and you're not paying attention to me because you're getting to what you're going to say next. Yes, okay. I was Googling information related to the podcast. Okay.

You know, it's not like I was looking up porn or something like that. No, but there were times when we would be in studio together, and you're, you know, that phones right up against your face, because it's the only way you could read it. And, you know, and you were totally ignoring me, and it had something to, it had nothing to do with this show, or, by the way, there were some days where you were writing your column. Yeah.

Well, you see, I had other interests to take care of. And by the way, the phone in my face, is not an issue anymore since I had this surgery on my cataract. I know, I know. Well, I haven't seen you in a while. I mean, it's been a while since we've seen each other. Well, I'm coming home. Okay, so... I'm coming home with a walking boot, but I'm coming home. All right. Do you have, um, is there, is there a repeat of information that may further the story with maybe some new information? I don't know. Let me Google and find out. No, I was just saying that, you know, the Palm Beach meetings and the indemnification story from Maski

and the two things about the Schaefter story was one that it was from Schaefter. And two, the timing of it maybe is an indication that we're moving closer to, you know, a conclusion. But Snyder will always get in the way of stuff. There'll be some. He's going to be a difficult guy to do business with. okay you know did you find that from Google no you came up with that one on your own no you're you're right I mean I remember when we had this conversation a couple months ago and I said to you I said I just kind of thought about what if Snyder messes this thing up just like he's messed everything else up

like what if he messes the sale up and you know this indemnification demand has a chance to kind of mess things up, you know, and force this to some kind of a vote. Look, there's a long way between now and the money being wired and the deal being closed and Josh Harris and Mitchell Rails and whomever else, you know, is part of this team that buys, we're not, it's not tomorrow, I don't think. But to me, just seeing it from Schefter, I don't know what it was and the timing of it, and the fact that it's Mitchell Rails, who's a local, you know, and, you know, obviously launched Sports Talk Radio probably is into sports. I don't know that much about him and his love of sports or even the love of the Redskins.

But remember what the first thing they did when they bought the station in 1992 is they took the Redskins away from WMAL who had had the Redskins forever. And that was really the move that helped launch the Sports Talk radio station was getting the rights. to the Redskins games, people were upset about it because the initial stick was actually not 980. Let me make sure that I'm clear on this. The initial stick radio signal was 570, was AM 570, and then they eventually bought whatever group owned 980 and moved the station to 980 because 980 was a stronger signal than 570. 570 wasn't a bad signal, and it still isn't a bad signal. And it still isn't a bad signal.

Wasn't 980? Wasn't 980 WRC? Correct. Good job. Yes. Did you just Google that? No. I came up.

I googled it in my brain. How's that? You're right about that. It was WRC Radio, Tommy. 100% right. Yes. So they bought it from WRC. I don't know what year they bought it from WRC.

I'm looking to see. So Sports Talk Radio 570, the team. Before moving to 980, they were 570. What year did they buy? I don't remember. But, you know, I used to, that's the first year I was at the Washington Times, covering sports. 98, they moved to 980. Yeah, right.

For the sun. Yeah, that was my first year covering sports in 92. Yeah. At the Times, and I used to listen to the station religiously. driving back and forth from Redskins Park at the time. And I used to, you know what I used to think? Guess what I used to think to myself. You can do this?

You can do this. Yeah. Me too. I should be on that stage. Tommy, I said the same thing. Because I, you know, in the couple of years before sports talk radio launched in D.C., sports talk radio was blowing up as a format all over the country. And I was, you know, in a completely different.

business at that point and through, you know, the early 2000s was in a completely different business. And you know this. I traveled a ton. I mean, I was basically gone four to five days a week every week for, you know, 12, 13, 14 years. Anyway, long story short, I spent a lot of time in New York. And I fell in love with WFAN, Mike and the Mad Dog in particular, because I would be in the car for sometimes, you know, couple of hours on the LIE or somewhere. And I fell in love with it. And I remember thinking, God, I would love to do this. And then when Sports Talk Radio launched when the Rails bought or launched Sports Talk Radio for the first time in D.C., now there were sports talk shows.

The legendary Ken Beatrice, of course, was a legendary show. Al Koken and Bernie Smilovitz did a show together on WTOP. But those were, you know, three hour, four hour blocks of just sports programming. But 24-7 sports talk radio was a format that was blowing up all over the country, in part because, you know, and as we've learned over the years, talk radio, in particular local talk radio, if done well, can be, you know, a big-time revenue generator. And so I, when I listened to the station as it was launched here, no offense to the people who were originally part of the rollout.

J.B. was on the station. This guy, the coach, who was a bartender, Chadwick's, we all knew. And Kevin, and Kevin Kylie. Yeah, Kevin Kylie. Tony was on the show. I forget if that was from the beginning or not. I think it was. It was from the beginning.

There was a guy named Ira Melman. I remember that guy. I think we know him. I mean, Andy knows all these people in Scotland, you know, all the guys that were on the station right from the beginning know all these people. But I just remember thinking, well, this is no WFAN. Because FAN was, I mean, Mike and the Mad Dog at a gold standard, gold standard in terms of sports talk radio. And it really was amazing to hear their chemistry and how good they were together. And, you know, it wasn't that, you know.

And they quickly evolved into more kind of talk show people. Tony obviously was the biggest success early on doing radio. I mean, he was great. And I think J.B., look, J.B. was a TV guy. And J.B., this was, you know, this was nothing for him to be doing. But I remember thinking the same thing, listening to it and saying to myself, well, I can do this. And about 12 years later, I was somehow, some way, in very lucky fashion in many ways.

But yeah. And by the way, Andy and Zabe really became, and Tony were the lynchpins to that station. And they eventually got to those, you know, the Tony show and the sports reporters. and then the station really started to take off. Now, I don't know what they sold it for. I just remember that they sold it at the right time when radio was changing in terms of the rules of ownership, and they were smart, I think, to sell it then.

Yeah. Well, when you set up the lunch with us and the rails, yes. Mention my movie scripts. I'll bring along. Why wouldn't I? I mean, that'll be, I'll hand out the agenda, and after introductions, number two on the agenda will be Tommy's movie scripts and screenplays that he's written,

or however that works. Real quickly, speaking of movies or TV shows, you haven't watched any of the last of us. I know you haven't. But for those that continue to tweet me with lots of information on episodes that I haven't watched, Can you please stop doing that? All right. At least give me, before I start to read, spoiler alert with maybe a few, you know, big markers that it's a spoiler alert. I am one episode behind.

I have not watched episode eight. I watched episode seven. You know, Ellie going back to how, you know, her whole journey started. And I thought it was an incredibly slow episode. Really slow. Did not love that episode at all. all, episode seven. So I've got episode eight to get caught up on, and some of you have told me already a little bit about episode eight, and that it's really good. I'm trying not to read the

tweets. Episode seven was disappointing zombie content. That's what you're saying. Actually, there was only one zombie, and it came at the very end, and no, it wasn't. You know, the, the, the, the, the, the, We've talked about this before, Breaking Bad the Fly episode, right? You know why they made the fly episode where Jesse and Walt are in the... Trying to catch the fly. Trying to catch the fly. In the lab. And to me, that's the worst episode ever of Breaking Bad.

And some people loved that episode. What did you think of that episode? I forget what your reaction was to it. I wasn't real fond of it. I wouldn't, I don't know if I'd break it at the worst, but I wasn't real fond of it. I'm pulling up something right now. The Ringer, okay, rank the fly is the 14th best episode out of 62 total Breaking Bad episodes. I would rank it as dead last for me.

It was a very controversial episode that was critiqued in many different ways, reviewed in many different ways. But do you know why they did this? Now, I'm going to look because they needed an episode that didn't cost them much money because they had overspent so much on that particular season on earlier episodes.

Wow, whatever happened to the fly, did they catch it? Did finally catch it and kill it? I don't know. I don't know. I can't even remember right now. You know, because I think that fly may have wound up

on Mike Pence's forehead during the vice presidential debates a few years ago. Oh, I do remember that. Yeah. Remember that? Yeah, I do remember that. All right.

I want to talk more about Lamar Jackson. And I think we should talk about Jim Beheim and a few other things. You've got an update on your fractured foot. We'll start to get to all of that right after these words from a few of our sponsors. Don't forget to rate us and review us, especially on Apple and Spotify, and follow us on Apple and Spotify. There's a big plus follow sign in the upper right-hand corner if you're listening to us on Apple, on your iPhone.

Just click that and follow us. And on Spotify, it's like in the mid-left part of the screen if you're listening to us on Spotify. Following us, rating and reviewing us really does help. We've gotten some really good reviews, but I wanted to read just a quick text from a longtime listener. And by the way, somebody who's really helped me out over the years as it relates to podcasting. And that is our friend Danny. Danny's got a podcasting business and he's been a listener since the get-go. And he just texted me the other day to say, Tom is a tenor.

We were wondering where your scale was. terms of your voice. And you were right. Tom is a tenor. Yeah. And a tenor is really kind of the highest level, I think, for a male. Highest pitch for a male. I think that's right. Do you know that or not? Can't men be soprano without an operation? I guess. I don't know. I'm not really familiar with that.

I said to Danny, I said, isn't the tenor the one that's for males only? he said yes similar to sting and I said more like Peter Satera from Chicago because he would be a tenor more likely than not right? Or would he be a soprano? I don't know

I don't know but I like these comparables. Yeah. Now you're finally getting with the program. Yeah I know well we're not suggesting that you have a voice similar to Sting or Peter Saterras. I think you are. Okay well you know what? Why not? Why not? I don't have to

Why not? I don't have the same equipment available to help with my voice like those guys do. Right. I mean, if you heard raw sting, you really think it'd be much different than Tommy Purified? I don't think of that. Probably not. From Leonard, keep the karaoke coming at the end of the podcast. Love it.

Yeah, we put a bunch of it on there at the end of the show the other day as well. Do I have another one to put on the end? I mean, you did your final, your finale. right? You sent it to me. I haven't watched it yet. Sorry, because you sent it to me right before the show. But is this something that I should put at the end of the show today? Tommy Purifies Farewell. Absolutely. It was a big difference last night in karaoke. You know, most of the snowbirds left at the end of February,

you know, we were able to basically get a deal to extend to March 11th. Okay? I'm watching you right now. God. Remember, I got a walking boot on. I know, but you're standing up, but you should have taken a seat. You really do dress for the occasion, don't you? Did you tweet this one out?

Not yet. Okay. I always wait to give you a chance to post it on the podcast, and then I'll tweet it out later. As if it's a big draw. I'm not going to tweet it out until you've had a chance to draw everybody into the podcast with my karaoke performance. performance. There you go. Well, but last, and usually, I mean, you saw, I mean, I used to sing with a group of women sometimes

when it was a bunch of snowbirds. Hold on, hold on for a second. I love listening to it every time you send it to me. Oh, God. You, a serious question for you. Do you think you have a good voice? No. We've said discussed this before.

No. I don't think I have a bad voice. You don't think you have a bad singing your voice. No, there are some people who get up and sing and you say, wow, what a bad voice. No, I don't have a good voice. Right. But I don't have a bad voice here.

So the cheering is for you and with you, not at you. Yes. No. Okay. Absolutely. And like I said, I think if you give me the right microphone and the right, you know, sound engineer, I think it could sound. good. Okay. All right. I'll tell you what you do have. You've got likeability up there, that's for sure.

And you, you know, as I've said before, the demonstration of courage is, you know, top shelf. This segment of the podcast is brought to you by MyBooky, go to mybooky.orgie. Go to mybooky.orgie. Use my promo code, Kevin D.C., and they will allow you to cash in and cash out quickly. Most books don't let you do that. just wager your deposit amount one time and you can exit if you want. Now, it's perfect for events like March Madness, these conference tournaments this weekend. You just feel like betting for the month of March and then you want to get out. Do it through my bookie, use my promo code, Kevin D.C. I've mentioned this before.

Somebody tweeted me the other day, couldn't get your promo code in there. Erase what's ever in the promo code if something pops up in the promo code and write Kevin D.C. By the way, at MyBooky, I've been updating all of you all week on the Jets' odds. They're the sixth pick to win the Super Bowl. They're the fourth pick to win the AFC championship. Two days ago, they were at like plus 1150, almost tied with the chargers. Now they're at plus 9-10 in dropping. Only the Chiefs, Bills, and Bengals have better odds to win the AFC championship next year than the New York football jets.

By the way, as a jet fan, Tommy, which you are, I would bet this is the first, I know, you were. This is probably the first time in forever that the Jets are anywhere near the top of the board in terms of being a favorite to win anything significant. Kind of like Washington. It's been a long time for the Jets. Test avert. It has been a long time. But, I mean, I just think they're probably getting into.

the business of another cycle old Green Bay quarterback. They've done this before, you know, with Brett Farms. Yeah, I know. I think it's going to be different, and I'm almost now rooting for it so hard. And then I'm going to root like hell for the Jets next year, because this discussion, and I'm going to get into an email and read that to everybody out there, including you,

because I've not read it to you yet. I just think that if Aaron Rogers were here playing in 2023, Washington would be a legitimate NFC championship contending team. But some of you don't. But those odds are dropping. MyBooky.orgie.g. Kevin D.C. is the promo code. mention what? Go ahead.

Did you see the latest gambling news? You sent me something about they're going to allow wagering on WWE? Well, that's, I mean. Betting? on professional wrestling, Kevin. Scripted matches. WWE has held discussions with state gambling regulators in Colorado and Michigan to legalize betting on scripted match results. This is almost like, you know, prop bets on TV show endings or, you know, award shows.

In that, first of all, there will be limits on, you know, what you can actually wager. Nobody's going to be able to come in and wager $10 million on a WWE event. It's going to be limited to like maybe a hundred bucks that you'd be able to wager. And they've probably already figured out with, you know, TV show endings or whatever, that they're profitable because most people don't know what the, you know, how it's going to turn out. And therefore, they end up winning or they end up, you know, just collecting VIG on all stuff. But the key is, in this case, I mean, is keeping tabs on the wrestlers.

I mean, according to this, WWE creative executives don't plan to inform the wrestlers who will win until hours before the match. Right. Okay. Now, what are they going to do in those hours leading up to the match? Take their cell phones away from them, put them under guard? I mean, we're going to be, we're talking about professional wrestlers here, you know, who have to fight for every scrap of money they get.

Do they? Somebody's going to be out there. Some of them don't make really good money? I don't know anything about it. No. And I think they, look, I know in the old days they had to pay their expenses, their travel expenses and all that. They paid that at their own pocket, you know, and that since they're on the road 300 days a year, lot of times. That would prove to be expensive. I just think this is hilarious and just another

statement. Look, if Vince McMahon can pull this off, he truly is the greatest sports marketing executive in the history of this country. Sveting on WWE. Yeah. Well, again, I mean, there are wagers allowed on things where the outcome is known by many people. We've seen that, you know, with, again, award shows and, you know, movie endings or show endings, how, you know, how's it going to end up? I mean, so you have that. So they've probably figured out that enough people, plenty of people, 95% of the people have no idea,

and that more with a limitation on what you can bet on these kinds of things, because there's always a limit on these kinds of things on what you can bet, that it ends up being profitable. You know, even if somebody rips them off from W. and puts, you know, let's 10 people know, hey, this is what's going to happen here, and they lose, you know,

a couple thousand bucks on those bets. It more than is covered by those that don't know. They're not losing money doing this. Right. It's just so funny. Yeah. I want to read two things to you.

The first is a tweet from Brian. Whoa, whoa, whoa. You said, you would take Deshawn Watson over Lamar Jackson? Are you smoking crack? Not only is Lamar better on the field, he's also better off the field, too. This is a no-brainer. Hey, Brian, calm down there, friend. Calm down there, champ. The conversation that Nick Ackridge and I had yesterday on the podcast was if we turned the clock back two years before we found out that we found out that Watson was a serial happy ending guy and knew what he was about, would we in that moment at the

end of 2020 take Watson or Jackson? And I said Watson and so did Nick. He said he'd take Watson too. Look, Watson at the end of 2020, which is why when he became available, because of all of the shenanigans in the Houston organization with Jack Easterby, I mean, that organization was falling apart that year. Deshaun Wachan Watson. was a debatable elite quarterback at 25 years old. He was somewhere between 5 and 8 on the list. Yes. Jackson was probably lower than that.

I agree with you 100%. At that time, you go back to that time on the calendar, I'm taking Deshawn Watson then, yes. Yeah, I was advocating to trade everything for Deshawn Watson at that time. And so, and by the way, I would still say, say that the six games that Watson played at the end of this year, you know, could be an indication that, you know, he's lost it. And because the only game that he looked like Deshaun Watson in those final six was against Washington. When he lit Washington up running the football on those three, you know, three straight touchdown drives that end up assaulting the game

against Carson Wentz, who helped out a little bit for sure. But the, I still would say that Watson is a better passer from the pocket than Lamar Jackson. But no, no, no, no. If we were talking about today, Deshawn Watson's character would play heavily into the conversation. Then I want to read this email from Adam. This is, you know, a continuation of kind of the conversation we've had about some in the fan base that are basically like, hey, we don't need no stinking Lamar Jackson or Aaron Rogers or anybody great. We got Sam Howl. This from Adam. Kevin, Jackson to D.C. would be a disaster. They have the perfect setup right now. By the way, I haven't heard anybody refer to Washington's setup is perfect in 30-something years. Paying a fifth round rookie at quarterback with no

dead money from Wentz, you're talking about 25% of the cap to Jackson at 50 million per year. Who will play with him? How many players would have? to be cut. And two first rounders, those could be two additional starters. And then how much do you trust him to be available enough? They are doing the right things, even if it is out of financial necessity. Thank you, Adam. You can follow Tommy on Twitter at Tom Levero. You can follow me on Twitter at Kevin Sheen, D.C. Neither account is a blue check Twitter verified account. You know what's funny, Kevin? What?

You know what's funny? What? Blue, I mean, we tried to get blue check and they kept turning us down. Yeah. Now you can pay for it. It's become, but it's become a source of embarrassment. What do you mean? Because if you have a blue check now, people automatically assume you're paying for it.

Oh. I, well, I mean, Denton told me that if you, you know, basically scrolls, over the blue check, it'll tell you if it was a previously verified account versus paid for. Oh, okay. Okay. That's a mystery to both of us. We're just idiots. Some of the people that have blue checks, and I'm talking about some of the media people in our market, and we don't have blue checks, are you kidding me? Whatever. Let me just say this about Adam, your email. First of all, I do think there's a concern over him being available enough. He's missed 10 of the Ravens' last 22 games, you know, all of which were important games at the end of the last two seasons. That is a big

part of the Lamar Jackson conversation, not nearly as big of a part as the demand for a contract is, you know, the demand for a Deshawn Watson 200 plus million dollar guaranteed deal. So I do understand that part of it. I hear you on that. That would be a concern about Lamar Jackson. Also, by the way, 25% of the cap is not the way it would work. You know, on 50 million per year AAV, they'd figure out a way for some end of year, you know, fluff years at the end to lower the cap number for the years that he was actually getting the guaranteed money. But here's the part that I just do not understand. Oh, I would also add Two first rounders for Lamar Jackson. Are you kidding me?

That's a bargain, dude. I mean, think about what's been given up for the likes of Russell Wilson and what's, you know, the Aaron Rogers contract is going to be a big part of this. How much does Green Bay eat? If they eat more, they'll get more from the Jets, et cetera. But two first rounders for an MVP caliber quarterback. Are you kidding me? That's nothing.

That would not be a roadblock for me at all. But this brings us back, Tommy, to the conversation. And I saw JP tweet something out yesterday about something B. Mitch said on the show. B. Mitch made the following comment on his radio show yesterday. How does this fan base get excited about Carson Wentz and Ryan Fitzpatrick and say no to Lamar Jackson? You know, and I would add to that, how does this fan base get excited about Sam Howell and Taylor Heineckee and not get juiced about somebody like Lamar Jackson. By the way, before you answer and before we get into this in more detail,

Lamar Jackson's not coming to D.C. They can't afford Lamar Jackson right now. So the Florio thing that I played yesterday, Tommy, Mike Florio, has been going hard on this hunch, this theory. You know, Adam Schaefter has kind of referred to it. Ryan Clark, others have said Washington seems like a great spot. Washington can't afford Lamar Jackson. There is no way they're putting $200 million into escrow before they sell this team.

Now, if Mitchell, Rails and Josh Harris buy the team tomorrow or next week, who knows, maybe. But as long as Snyder continues to own this team before selling it, this is going to be an uneventful, and not an uneventful, but it's going to be a lower-priced, lower, you know, much less aggressive free agency period. But I don't, this is the thing I just don't understand. First of all, I think Brian's a little bit off. I don't think that it's the fan base. I think this, like we've talked about before,

I think this is a small minority of what's left of the fan base. It seems larger if you're just on social media because it's an overly aggressive part of the fan base. You know, the people that I've referred to is the get on board or get out people on the Carson Wentz trade. You know, I got that. You got that for a while. And now, by the way, it's the get on board with Sam Hal or get out, you know, group. Sam How? You know, and so I just, I know we've talked about this before.

I can't believe how dumbed down this fan base is from where it used to be. I think this fan base, you know, obviously it's a fraction of the size that it used to be, so that may be part of it. And those that are still left and still paying and still believing, there's a level of naivete, let's say it nicely, that has to exist to still be 100% bought in to this organization. Yes. But the aggressive nature of, you know, Carson, Wentz, Taylor, Heineke, Sam, how? I mean, Lamar Jackson would be the best quarterback this franchise's had since Joe Thysman. Matt Stafford, Aaron Rogers. Look, I know I would have been wrong about Russell Wilson, but I will continue to swing big in two areas.

the draft, the first round of the draft, and then, you know, an established quarterback that somehow is available, you know, like an Aaron Rogers or Deshawn Watson or a Russell Wilson or a Matt Stafford or a Lamar Jackson in recent years, superstar or high-level quarterbacks that become available because at least you know you're getting one. In the draft, you don't even know you're getting one, even if you pick one number one overall. I just, I don't understand the mindset of, hey, we got our guy, dude. We got our guy. You know, we had our guy last year.

We had our guy the year before. We just need to build out around these guys and we'll end up being the 49ers or we'll end up being the Eagles. Remember, Jalen Hertz was a second round pick people. Okay, he wasn't a fifth round pick. And Jalen Hertz is the, you know, exception to the rule of non-nobes. high first rounders. I just,

B. Mitch summed it up for me in that one line. How does this fan base get excited about Wenson Fitzpatrick? And again, I think it's a very small percentage of the fan base. But I hear the same things. Key hears you hear. You know, JP, John, we all hear. And it's like, wait a minute, we got our guy, just like we did it apparently a year ago.

You know, the whole Sam Howe thing, I think is the lowest. I think it's the worst. Of all of them. I mean, Carson went. At least was a had a name. Yes. I mean, we saw him playing the NFL at one point where he was very good. True. It may have been a distant memory. But this guy, Sam Howe, has thrown 19 NFL passes.

Okay? And this is just absolutely insane. And now he's Ron Rivera's 1A quarterback, right? That's what he says, 1A? G1. QB1. Okay. Do that make the guy, if they sign a free agent, is he QB2 or QB1A? I think Ron is, you know, in his ever-changing philosophies and viewpoints on everything,

I think by the time we get to Andy Dalton or Jacoby Brissette being signed as a veteran free agent, he might refer to that quarterback as QB1A instead of QB2. That's just so bizarre. The whole Sam Howe thing is so bizarre, because you and I have both said, there's probably a couple of free agents quarterbacks out there, low-cost free agent quarterbacks out there, who I think, like if they signed, if we're available, like an Andy Dalton, or I even think a Teddy Bridgewater,

I think has a much better chance in winding up being a starter and making this team more competitive, given their offensive weapons. I agree. and their defense. I think if they signed Andy Dalton to a one-year $4 million deal, again, this isn't my quarterback strategy, but we know what we're working with here in the off-season. So we've got to come up with a solution based on what they can actually do

or what they're willing to do. Just like, you know, they failed on Stafford. So getting Fitzpatrick was certainly an upgrade or had the potential to be an upgrade over what they had the previous year. last year, even though I hated the Wents trade and said it was not the long-term answer, I still suggested that it could be better, you know, if he got back anywhere near where he was, it could be much better than what they had previously. Andy Dalton, I think, too, would be another one in the line of Fitzpatrick and Wence, which isn't thought, you know, he's not the long-term

answer. He's not a franchise quarterback. You're not going to compete for a Super Bowl or deep into the postseason with them, but if you want a chance to go 8, 8, 8 and 1 or 9, 7 and 1, or 9 and 8 or 10 and 7 next year with a good defense and some good playmakers and grab that last wild card spot, Andy Dalton would probably give you the best chance to do that of anybody that's been here since Kirk Cousins. I mean, I don't want to discount Alex Smith's 2018. I think we've been over that territory enough. They were not a dynamic team offensively. They were a woeful offensive football team. But he didn't make mistakes and they were running the football and they were playing

better defense and they had kind of a weakish kind of a schedule and they played the Packers when Aaron Rogers was hurt. And I don't think they would have made the playoffs at Alex Smith not broken his leg. But, you know, the quarterbacking that particular year didn't suck. It wasn't good, but it didn't suck like it did last year in the year before. you know, so or in 2020. Like Alex Smith was on one leg in 2020, and he was the best they had that year.

But you think about it, if you're not right, you're wasting another year of Terry McClaren. And Curtis Samuel and Jehan Dodson. Yeah, you're wasting another season. There's only so many seasons you have these guys. Look, there's something about him that says, At least he can throw a football. Like, at least he can make every NFL throw.

He's got the arm and he's also mobile. You know, maybe it'll work. His upside to me is Baker Mayfield. Where does that get you? Well, some people think his upside could be somebody like Jalen Hertz. Yeah, I know. The Aaron Rogers one is the one that really, for me, You're talking about, you know, truly one of the greatest quarterbacks that's ever lived.

He is in three, the last three years, he's won two MVPs. And last year, he still threw for over 4,000 yards and I think 26 touchdowns or whatever it was, with brand new receivers and not a very good team around him at all. If you told me that Aaron Rogers is available, is willing to play for Washington, and the new ownership group, and they didn't go after him and instead said, no, we're just going to build around Sam Howell.

Sam Howe? I mean, I honestly, I mean, I'm already on my way out a little bit. I'd be, I mean, but more importantly, I would just be completely flabbergasted by the approach, especially if it were the approach of the football people. Like the one thing I've given Ron Rivera some credit for, and I've given him credit actually for several things. At least he swung for Stafford. At least he swung for Russell Wilson. At least he had the mindset and the understanding, this is a way. It's no guarantee, but this is one of the ways to go. The other is through the draft. And clearly they didn't like Justin Fields enough or Trey Lance enough. They didn't like Kenny Pickett enough last year. This year, maybe they'll like Anthony.

Richard or Will Levis or somebody like that a lot and they'll be aggressive going up in the draft. But I, hoping for a Brock Purdy situation here next year is really needle in a haystack. If you're putting together personnel for your football team, you want to increase your odds that you'll have success. There's no nobility in having the long shot be successful, rooting for the long shot. That shouldn't be your goal here, you know? Some of these people don't view it as a long shot, Tommy. Some of these people view it as this is the smart way to go.

This whole recent thing about building around a rookie quarterback contract. But see, here's the thing. The rookie quarterback or the second-year quarterback has to be good. And nine times out of 10, no, you know, 49 times out of 50, they're not good. You're nowhere near good enough. And you end up being what a lot of these teams that have good rosters like the Jets end up being, like Washington was last year, a middling team at best, at best. the Jets were 7 and 10

with Mike White and Zach Wilson and Joe Flacko hon for a game or two what else you got on this? I got nothing else on this boss we can talk about my foot we've got some things coming up

we're going to get to him I want to talk about what Kyle Kuzma said after the Wizards game last night that was pretty interesting and I want to talk about Jim Beheim, and you want to talk about your fractured foot. So we'll do all those things right after these words from a few of our sponsors. Tommy, would Shelly's be a great spot to hang out and watch some March Madness games next week and even this week?

Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. They've got eight big screen TVs, high-definition TVs, all throughout the two rooms that they've got at Shelly's back room with very comfortable chairs and couches to sit. it in and enjoy the games. So yeah, and you know what? If you're not a March Madness guy, you know, we're very close to spring, March 21st, this springtime, the official date of spring. And I just wanted to let people know that there's nothing like sitting outdoors at Shelley's back room when the weather starts to turn nice and have the world walk by and say,

look at that guy, smoking a cigar, drinking his drink. what he looks like he's enjoying himself. That's really a pleasure because Shelley's has a great outdoor seating area right there on F Street as well. And that is something you should do sometime.

Here's the other thing I wanted to tell you. If you're out at a show in D.C. late at night, let's say you're at the Warner Theater or some kind of other event on a weekend night, Shelly's is open until 3 a.m. Wow. on Friday and Saturday nights, yes.

Post-theater dinner? Yes, yes. Like you're in New York. Like you're in New York? Because most places typically are closed. Yes. Look, at Shelly's is big time. And if you want to be big-time, go to Shelly's and have yourself a big-time smoke and drink.

Yeah. Shelly's back room at 1331 F Street, Northwest in the district. Did you hear Jim Beheim after they lost a Wake Forest in the ACC tournament yesterday when he was asked kind of about whether or not this was it for him? Did you hear any? I read it. I read it. I didn't hear it.

I read the transcript. Let me play it for everybody right now. I think you missed it. I gave my retirement speech on the court last Saturday, and I gave it in the press conference afterwards, and nobody except William Payne figured it. out. You're going to retire? This is up to the university. You want to come back? I didn't say that. Okay, but so what are you saying? You're not saying you're retiring, but you're not saying?

I think I just said it. I don't know. So you don't know. Okay. I said this is up to the university. And you're not sure whether you're, when will, when will, how will you make a determination about when you will come back? You're talking to the wrong guy. Okay. Thank you. You're talking to the wrong guy. You're talking to the wrong guy. The whole way it was handled was really odd. Now, they're calling this, you know, him stepping down as the Syracuse head coach. By the way, good job by that reporter because I was just as confused listening to his answers as well. And she stayed on him. Like, well, what are you saying?

And the bottom line is ultimately when he left that press conference, the school announced that he would not be returning as the men's basketball coach. And it was described as, you know, kind of him stepping down after 47 years as the head coach at Syracuse. Other than the odd way in which it ended, I've never been like a massive Beheim fan. You know, some of those Syracuse teams always kind of bothered me. I don't know as a college basketball fan. but there's no way you can debate whether or not this guy was a highly successful college basketball coach. A 1,015 wins.

He went to 35 NCAA tournaments in 47 years. He went to the final four five times. He won the national title in 2003. By the way, he's got 58 NCAA tournament wins, which ranks fourth all times. time, you know, all in the same place where he started as a player and then he was, you know, affiliated with the university for a while until he got the job 47 years ago as the head coach when they were playing in that manly field house when Thompson in Georgetown shut it down for good in a finale that year and then moved into the Carrier Dome. You know, for me, whenever I think

about Syracuse basketball, I just think of Jim Beheim and Jim Beaheim's two-three zone. because it's all he's basically played for 40s, I think for most of the time he's been there. And very few schools, you know, and coaches are known just for like one thing more than anything other specific to the way they play. I mean, I think Bob Huggins is kind of known for the 131 zone and the full court press, you know, the full court 131 trap press. And Gary was kind of known for being a pressing coach.

but Jim Beheim's known as the guy that runs the two-three. It's all he plays. He doesn't play man-to-man. You've got to be able to beat the two-three zone, and he recruits to that defense, you know, longer players, ranger players, good defensive players out of the zone. Hell of a coach really was over the years. And, I mean, that university, I know it was known for Jim Brown

and his exploits. And didn't Leroy Kelly? Also go to Syracuse. Was that the other great running back at Syracuse, Tommy? There were a lot of them. Leroy Kelly, Ernie Davis, of course. Lerzanka, Floyd Little. Floyd Little.

There were a lot of them. God, that is a lot of them. I mean, that's unbelievable. I mean, that's running back you. By the way, Leroy Kelly was not Syracuse. I was thinking of Floyd Little. Floyd Little. Okay.

And John Matthew went to Syracuse at the same. same time as Ernie Davis. Right. Look, you know, those guys, you know, are known for Syracuse and Syracuse football. And in the case, by the way, of Jim Brown, also Syracuse lacrosse. But Syracuse basketball, you know, when you think of Syracuse University, I think a lot of people just think of Jim Beheim in the basketball program and the Carrier Dome and, you know, some of the great players like Pearl Washington and Derek Coleman, you know,

over the years. And Sherman Douglas, who, you know, play. here, Carmelow. But it's a hell of a school. It's a hell of a broadcasting school. God, most of the great play-by-play guys in sports all went to Syracuse. But I don't know. Beheim, it seems like an end of an era, by the way,

with Beheim and Shishowski and Roy Williams here over the last, you know, year retiring. Yeah, and let me ask you, Gary is friends with Beheim. Yes. Yeah, long-time friends. Yeah. So there's got to be more to the guy than what we see. Sure.

Okay. Because you haven't come across as a friendly guy, the kind of guy you'd want to spend any time with. Right. Yeah. But Gary does. Gary, you see, Gary, you're thinking, Jesus, I'd love to hang out with that guy.

You see Beheim. You're saying, Jesus, this is the last guy I'd want to hang out at a dinner party with. Yeah. But there's got to be more to him, I guess. Because he appears to be more of like an engineer code writer than a basketball coach. But no, everybody, like, I think Gary isn't the only one that loves Beheim's company. And anyway, I got, I got nothing else to say. It just seems like we really are at the end of an era.

Shashefsky, Beheim, Roy Williams in particular. Yeah. He's second on the all-time wins list in Division I history behind Schohefski's 1, 1202. He's at 1,015 wins. And it just seemed like Syracuse was obviously a fixture every year in the NCAA tournament. The last two years they haven't made it. Remember, he, like many of the older school coaches in recent years, have gotten a bit tired of NIL and Transfer Portal and what it's done to the sport. and, you know, he made the comment earlier in the year about playing teams that were bought and paid for.

I mean, I think there are some people that think Syracuse's team, you know, in various years were certainly bought and paid for as well. I mean, they had a hundred and something wins vacated due to NCAA sanctions. But anyway, that was it. I thought the exit press conference was just flat out strange. Yeah, it was. So this was last night the Wizards lost to the Hawks 122 to 120. The game was frustrating. I watched the game.

I don't get it. I was flipping. I was flipping around. I was watching a lot of college hoops last night. I watched Ohio State, Wisconsin. Watched Nebraska, Minnesota. Maryland plays Minnesota tonight in the Big Ten tournament. Porzingis, Tommy.

look, just he's actually worth watching the Wizards for. I mean, he is just a spectacular player offensively in particular. He had 43 last night on 17 of 22 from the floor, but he was 7 of 10 as a 7 foot 3 guy from behind the arc. I mean, he really is, you know, he's, he is superstar talent. if he could ever put it together health-wise for a couple of years. I mean, he's the wild card for their franchise, really. But anyway, he and Beal and Coosma last night, Kyle Coosma, combined for 92 points,

43 from Porzenghis, 24 from Beal, 25 from Coosma. And Kyle Coosma said the following after the game, when he was referred to as part of the big three. This is what he said. I love this answer. Well, I don't know if necessarily is the big three, you know, and none of us are all-stars. So that's one.

And then two, I mean, we've definitely figured out. I mean, I don't really think we get in each other's ways. You know, we all play different type of positions, and we all have different type of games that are really unique. So I think that's why you see a lot of the blends and stuff. But, I mean, we combine for 92 points. So, I mean, obviously, it's probably good. The other night is probably like $7.9.80, right?

So, I mean, we can fill up points, but, you know, are we defending enough? Are we helping make others better? You know, that's our next progression for the next 15, 20 games. Because we can score. We can do this. But, you know, we got to defend and we got to make others better. Playing simple. I loved that answer, too.

I thought it was one of the most self-rength. I thought it was one of the most self-aware statements we've heard from anybody in this organization in a long time. A big three, you guys haven't accomplished anything. I mean, you're not. Yes, yes, yes. And with the talent on this team, to be honest with you, Tommy, the talent on this team is a 45-win, 44 win, you know, 4-5-6 seed in the east kind of a talent base. But I love that from Kuzma. Me too.

I don't know if it's the big three. None of us were all-starred. Yeah, and then to talk about defense and making other players better, I mean, they don't guard very well. They're not a good defensive team. They don't do smart things at the right times of games, like last night at the end of the game. The last possession, they're down five with six and a half seconds to go in the game.

They call time out, they advance the ball. So Tommy, when you're down five, is there a way to tie the game on one possession? Yeah. So you need two possessions? Yes. Yeah, that's a good answer. They apparently thought they could do it on one because they ran a play. Beale catches the inbound.

He makes a pass and then another pass to Porzingis. And Porzingis made a three as the horn sounded. And they lost by two. Tell me if this is true, because obviously I didn't watch it. Obviously. They were down four with about 18 seconds to go. The ball was thrown in the bill, and he'd travel. Yeah, he had a turnover.

He had two turnovers down the stretch. Oh, my God. Yeah, he also missed a, he got a steal defensively and then missed an easy shot right at the rim. He's actually been really good at closing out games recently. Not so much last night. That's all I got for the day. Well, let's change that, and let's talk about. me. Let's talk about you and your fractured foot. How's it doing? Okay. Well, first of all, before we

get to the foot, I just want to recount the atmosphere last night at karaoke. You know, the snowbirds are gone. Okay, where one of the few left? They left at the end of February, and we managed a deal to squeeze out 11 days, but this place is now Spring Break City. So the youngans loved you. There were waves and waves of co-eds that came into the bar last night. I mean, it just came in waves. They were all girls, hardly any guys. Just like a sorority convention.

Uh-huh. The place was just packed. And they loved you. Well, you know, Kevin, the Tommy Purify effect, it knows no age boundaries. You know that. I know that. So, of course. Of course they loved me. And I point out that I performed under duress with my walking boot to protect my foot, which is not a fractured foot.

It's not. You know, I went back. No, I saw a follow-up foot and ankle specialist yesterday. And I didn't think, look, when the guy said you got a small fracture in your foot on Monday, you know, I tried to tell him, but that's not the problem. The problem is above my heel, you know? Like, it's this part above my heel, that's the problem. Right. And my foot doesn't hurt, you know, it's this thing.

And so when this guy, when the expert came and looked at my stuff, he said, you've had that fracture in your foot for probably years, you know, just a little fracture that never healed. And I never feel it. It doesn't bother me. He said, based on the soft tissue damage from the end of the first. X-ray, what you probably have is a partial Achilles tear. Oh, okay. Neither one of these injuries can impact your voice, though, right? I just want to make sure that your voice is safe.

No, my voice is safe. And for what I've learned about a partial Achilles tear, it can heal on its own. I mean, I'm going to see a doctor when I get back up north, but it's not the thing that requires surgery. It can heal on its own. It might take two weeks. It might take six weeks. Is there anything you need to do?

Ice, heat, you know, Advil. No. No. It really doesn't hurt as much as you did a couple of days ago. Yeah. No. And they said to wear the boot as much as possible to keep it immobile. So I'll do that whenever it's...

So you're going to keep the boot? Yes. Oh, you're going to get some mileage out of that boot, aren't you? Oh, absolutely. Oh, yeah. Can I keep the boot even after my... even after my foot feels better. Oh, man.

My wife's doing everything for me. So the spring breakers really dug your karaoke last night. They were into it. Why is that a surprise? It's not a surprise at all. Oh, okay. Did they tip you? Was there a tip jar?

Did you put the hat out? No, no tip jar. Look, Kevin, I sing out of a sense of obligation. not out of a sense of profit. Okay? Right. You know? I mean, I sing to share my talent.

You're generous in that way. It's amazing. I'm not a mercenary. Because almost everything else you do actually requires monetary compensation. So it's really good. This is the generosity of Tommy Purify. By the way, I'm just looking at for the very first time, you were talking and I was Googling.

I am looking at the very first for the very first time the Kevin Durant injury last night You know last night was the home debut For Durant and Phoenix I know and he didn't even make He didn't even make it into the game Have you seen what he did in warmups?

Oh my God No He rolls his ankle going for layups so badly And This does not look good It honestly He's going to be in a boot hopefully he can sing.

All right, what else? You got anything else for the show today? Nothing else for you today, boss. Can I talk to you next? I'll be back in Frederick. I know you will with that boot on. Have a great day. I'll be back tomorrow.

Let me just tease something. It's what we call him the trade a soft tease. I think Cooley's going to be on the show tomorrow to talk about some of the quarterback stuff and to talk about Anthony Richardson's Indy Combine. That is a soft tease because, as we know, sometimes plans don't work out the way we anticipate. Back tomorrow.