The Kevin Sheehan Show - Cooley Film Breakdown of Kyler Murray

Episode Date: February 27, 2019

Cooley and Kevin for 90 minutes today included Cooley film breakdowns of Oklahoma's Kyler Murray and NC State's Ryan Finley. We also talked about the chances that the Redskins will address their quarterback situation through either the draft or free agency. Virginia Tech over Duke and a Maryland-Penn State preview too. <p> </p><p>Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a></p> Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You want it. You need it. It's what everyone's talking about. The Kevin Sheehan Show. Now here's Kevin. All right. I'm here. Aaron is here. Cooley is here on this Wednesday, February 27th. This show is presented by Window Nation. If you're in the market for Windows, call 86690 Nation or go to Window Nation.com and tell them that we told you to call. Let's open up the show with What do you got? What do you got? All right. What do you got, Coley? So it's me. So I got a dude, I'm overloaded with stuff right now. Well, it's been several months since we've done this.

So I figured you were keeping a list. Well, no, I mean, I'm overloaded with my, I'm inundated with this current, what do you got? Okay. Which is crazy. And I'm way, way over my head in what I got. But what I got is I found out, so my grandmother passed a couple years ago, Virginia. Yes. And her husband, Don, passed before that.

and they were involved in a lot of things. I mean, you knew my family was involved in a lot of businesses and stuff. Right. So apparently there was this trust that was set up for the year after, or 18 months after, that whoever was most adept in the family would take over as the sitting member on the board of, it's a company called Whirlpool. I think I've heard of it. So I have been, I've been setting up meetings.

that I got to go, I got to go travel all over and meet and do this board stuff. And it's crazy. I didn't know this, but I think it's my third great-grandfather, Lou, Lewis Upton, started this company. And it's like a washer and dryer company, and they do a bunch of other stuff. I don't know anything about it. So it's, I'm going to, I'm going to the origin of the, the place this week. I'm actually going tomorrow to Ben Harbor, Michigan to figure a lot of this stuff out. And, okay, hold on. Stop for a second, because when you first started this,

I thought we were going to do, you know, some flim flam, some shenanigans, you know, with your, you know, your grandmother and your great-grandfather's, you know, creating the slicer, the bread slicer. Remember we did that? But I just... Well, that was my, that was my grandmother's sister. I know, but that was a flim flam. Is this a flim flam? Or are you being serious that you're about to join the board of directors at Whirlpool? I have no business being on this board, but apparently the family said whoever at the time after they passed was most adept in the family would be the next board or the next sitting member. And so I think, you know, I don't know if I'm responsible for employees, they are just decisions or what I have to do.

I'm still not grasping whether or not this is real or fake. What was the name of your relative who was on the board and that you're replacing on the board? It doesn't seem to me that they would just allow a deceased person on the board of directors to sort of will a relative onto the board of directors of a major company like this. I'm really not. It was part of the Upton side of the family, which is. was, I guess, like, my great-grandfather's side. Okay. This isn't real. This isn't real. How did you not know this was, I thought you'd play along.

If we did this bread slicer thing when we started the old show, and you played along so great with it. I guess I'm not a practice. I guess I'm just an easy mark right now. Because when you threw out, usually when you do this, you're just completely making everything up. And when you mention Benton Harbor, Michigan, I'm like, whoa, that's a lot. That's, That's where the company's based. It's on Wikipedia, bro. I know it's on Wikipedia. Oh, man, you got me.

Why didn't you just... You got me? Why didn't you just play along a little bit longer? Well, you didn't totally get me because I was trying to sniff it out. I would have played along, but you didn't, you know, usually it's more transparent. I guess it's usually more transparent, more obvious than... Kevin. What?

You've been doing a lot of things. I'm not going to be on the board of directors of World Warful. No chance. I understand that. I do understand that. But when you mentioned Whirlpool, you know what, it was maybe your best job ever in presenting it. Because I don't think I've ever fallen for it before,

and I didn't completely fall for it there, but for a moment, I thought you were being serious for a moment. Yes. Good job. Benton Harbor, Whirlpool, they do. What do they do? They do some washing machines. I don't even know what they do.

I mean, in 1968, they created ice cream makers for NASA, which was one of the coolest things. And they did a ton of charitable stuff, which I thought was what I was going to oversee. You had a whole thing ready to go, and I completely blew it. And I pulled up the Wikipedia page. You text me this morning, you said, let's get a what do you got? Yeah. I gave me a good, what do you got? I thought you might be in the process of overseeing the purchase of Maytag or KitchenAid.

You know, they probably were going to bring you in. to negotiate that deal. You know what? You'd probably be a very nice addition to Whirlpool's board. You would. You use all their products and you fix all their products

by yourself. Yeah, I'd go in there and I'd start messing with, you know, the buttons and the screws. Oh, that was pretty good. That was good. Good job. You got me. My what do you got deals

with, you know, of course, Daniel Gibson, who the last time we saw her at UCLA, she had hit for the cycle, including two home runs in one game, and she had a serious knee injury, which means that UCLA, you know, expected to be a powerhouse in women's softball this year, now takes a big drop back. And I thought we could have just a conversation, a short one, not a long one. I don't think a lot of people are interested, although a lot of you, I think are, whether or not you think it's Tennessee or Oklahoma that ends up being the preseason number one. Yeah, I just think Tennessee has more of an opportunity at being preseason number one because of some of the pitchers, I mean, namely Rachel Garcia, who really can go the distance in any given round, and she's got a phenomenal off-speed pitch, which is hard for girls to develop even at a college level.

They also, they threaten everybody on the bases. They run like crazy. And I think they play good defense as well. So Tennessee probably won. I mean, you never count out Oklahoma. LSU should be good this year. George is always good. But I like UCLA, man.

Yeah. I do. Zia Norris, a heck of an outfielder. Sophomore at a Harbor City, California from Bishop Montgomery, Ice. Enough for this. You know what I really got? You want to hear a real what do you got? Yeah, because I actually have a real one for you.

You go. You go, and then I'll give you money. All right. I actually, I don't think I brought this up. with you last week or the week before when you're on last. But I saw this over the weekend because it was on SportsCenter, not because I'm watching the game. But first of all, I did ask Cooley about whether or not he's watched an AAF game, Aaron, over the weekend, and he said, what's the AAF? He didn't have any idea that there was another football league going on right now. But anyway,

in the AAF, Cooley, they don't have onside kicks. They have a replacement rule, which actually I really like. And typically when it comes to the NFL, I'm resistant to any significant change, but this thing makes so much sense to me, and I wanted to see if it made sense to you. So there are no onside kicks in the AAF. The only time you can attempt an onside kick,

and I'll tell you what the replacement for the onside kick play is here in a moment, is if you are down by 17 or more at any point during the game or in the final five minutes of the game. And here is the replacement play for the onside kick. Fourth and 12 from your own 28-yard line. If you convert, you keep the ball, just like you would on an on-side kick if you were to get it. If you don't, the defense takes over wherever they get the stop. If it's an eight-yard completion and a tackle, or if it's a sack and a fumble,

you can score a touchdown on the play defensively or offensively. I don't know that fourth and 12 is the exact apples-to-apples-to-apples. odds on today's very low odds of converting an actual on-side kick. But I like the concept of having to convert a fourth and long from right around your own 28-yard line, which makes sense to me because if you get it, then the ball's between the 40 and 50, you know, if you complete a 12 to 22-yard pass play, which is sort of where it would be had you recovered the on-side kick. Do you like that rule? Love that rule.

Me too. And it was 8% was the onsets kick, I think, this year and last year. Right. At least this year for sure. Yeah. I mean, do you think, so what is 4th and 12? Fourth and 12 is probably higher than an 8% play, don't you think? Maybe it's more equivalent to the old onside kick percentages.

Sure. You know, but it's not a 1 in 5 play. I like a 1 in 5 being, I think 1 in 5 is fair. Well, what would 1 and 5 be on a 4th and 5 be on a 4th and 5? long. Well, 20% is, I don't know if you're getting 20% of fourth and 12. Probably 15 to 20. Yeah, I think fourth and 12. You could look at that. I am. That's an easy look-upable thing. I know. I figured that it's probably out there somewhere. But fourth and 12, I'll find it later, but a fourth and 12 seems to me like it would be somewhere, you know, it would be, you're right.

I think it's a 15 to 20% conversion play in today's. NFL, it seems like it. I think the NFL should seriously consider adopting that because the onside kick is a no-chance play these days. And it gives the team that's down 10 that scores the touchdown with 40 seconds to go and needs to convert an on-side kick. Really very little hope. Whereas with the old, personally, I'd be fine if we went back to being able to overload one side and get a running start. And, you know, obviously you increase the possibility of injuries. And we've saw a lot of injuries on that play. But if you're not going to do that, I love the fourth and 12 from the AAF. All right, just wanted to see if you liked it too. All right, I got a bunch of

stuff that I want to get to. First of all, last night, the caps one, and they are right now, just so everybody knows and coolly, I've been talking about the caps a little bit here on the show recently because they are actually in a very, it's not a precarious situation necessarily, but while they are now tied for first in the division, they are also only six points better than the fifth place team, Columbus, who was supposed to be, I think, very good this year. But they won last night over the worst team, I think one of the worst teams in the NHL in Ottawa.

And then last night, I watched Virginia Tech beat Duke again at home. Virginia Tech's good. How much college hoops have you been watching? You texted me during the Maryland game over the weekend. weekend? Yeah, I haven't been watching a lot of college troops. I try to watch Maryland just because I listen to the podcast every day, and you're always talking about Maryland basketball, and so I'm interested in Maryland basketball because of you, and that's about the only reason that I'm interested, and so Maryland is pretty much all I watch in terms of

college basketball. Virginia Tech has really, I don't know what the run is now. It's like four out of the last five, I think, in Castle Coliseum and Blacksburg that they've beaten Duke, something like that. But they have a really good player that I haven't mentioned. this year on the podcast, but Kerry Blackshear, who is basically their power forward 610, 260, something like that. He's been there for a while, Aaron, right now? He's really good. I mean, and he had a phenomenal game. Now, no Zion Williamson for Duke meant that, you know, what Carolina did to them, Virginia Tech did that did to them last night too, which is they got the ball to the room pretty easily. But it's a good win for Virginia Tech who is going to be, you know, somewhere in the neighborhood of a five

to succeed more likely than not in the tournament. What did you think of, because we haven't talked about this, what did you think about the Zion Williamson injury and all of the conversation that followed about him shutting it down? As to not, you know, clearly speaking as if he improved health-wise and he was able to play, but a lot of people thought he should shut it down, should shut the season down and just get ready for the NBA. No way.

in no way do I believe that. And I hate saying that because I know how much money that guys like that can make in the NBA, but there's an opportunity to make a run in any sport. I think that if you're a competitor and you like your teammates, and granted, it's a one-year deal, right, for most of these guys, it's not like you've had this commitment to your teammates and your coach for three or four years in a lot of the cases.

But I'm making the run if I can make the run. Is there a more special run in sports than a run to the Final Four or through the Sweet 16 or for whatever it is? I mean, depending on the school. Is there a bigger run in sports? Yeah, there is. But if you're a basketball player, I mean, this is... Is there? I mean, is there more hype surrounding the playoff series football?

Yeah, definitely. But you obviously, you... I mean, March Madness is a huge thing. Football is different because there's 12 teams. I mean... Yeah. You're looking at 64 teams, or I guess, what do you call it 68 now? Yeah, it's 68 in the field.

I don't think there's a bigger run. I don't think you should shut it down. I don't like that. I don't. It's different in college football when you get to the bowl game. If you're in a bowl game that isn't competing to get to the national championship in the playoffs, I don't care if they shut it down because that bowl game's really meaningless. It doesn't necessarily impact the school.

Getting to the bowl game in football impacts the school as much as winning the bowl game. I thought you did care about that when people shut it down. At first, I started to have a little bit of an issue with it, but not as much. I think that if you're in the playoffs and you shut it down, you're insane. But that's what basketball is as you get to the tournament. You're in the playoffs. I don't care if he plays in the conference tournament. Scott was on last week.

I don't know if you heard our conversation about the whole, the long running argument. about college players getting paid and, you know, you and I have had that conversation in the past, but it really came up with the Zion Williamson thing. People were just, I mean, just mortified that this guy, you know, could have potentially had a serious injury when everyone was in the building that night, President Obama included because of him. I, you know, it's, I forget what your thoughts are on that. I'm not in the business of paying college athletes. I, I am in the business of increasing stipends to a fair percentage that they can afford a lot of things without having to take student loans. It's really hard because when you look at someone like Zion Williamson or when you look at anybody that goes to Duke to play basketball or anybody that goes to North Carolina to play basketball or Alabama to play football,

you're really saying that the odds of them playing in a professional league are very high. But when you look at somebody that goes to Utah State to play basketball or Utah State to play football, that's still Division I, and it's not high. They're there for an education. So you're taking 10 schools in every sport and saying incredibly high odds of making a league, and then the rest of them saying, look, you're there for an education, and there's a chance that you can make the league. I think that to make it fair, you just make it so you triple your stipend.

Like, for example, this is crazy because this is what I was getting. At the time in Logan, Utah, I was getting $495 a month in my college stipend. How much was it? $495 month. Well, I mean, back in when you were down. Yeah, but when it came down to it, when you take the stipend and you're not living on campus, you're not privy to the campus food, they may have changed that with stipends now. But I had like $44 a month to go buy food.

After I paid rent, car insurance, gas, whatever it was, I had like, budgeted down to like 40 or 50 bucks. So I eat ramen and eggs and peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. So then you're looking at a kid that's got to eat the cheapest possible things to be able to make it. And I get it that a lot of these bigger schools, there's a possibility that donors or someone around them give them money. I'm also not, I'm not necessarily opposed to that. I know that's crazy, but I'm not opposed to someone giving kid 200 bucks if it's not a university. And there's no ties, but that's impossible to prove.

so you can't get into that. All I'm saying is if I had $1,500 a month, I would have lived without any wealth, but comfortably as a college kid. I wouldn't have had to worry about what I was going to eat or how much money I could spend at the grocery store. I could have gotten healthy food. It would have been a lot simpler for me.

I could have focused more on my sport and education than I did having to find that extra means. Again, I'm not suggesting that you're paying these guys $100 grand a year or whatever they want to be paid. for me it would have been the difference of $1,000 a month, so $12,000 more a year. I think at the – I could be wrong about this, but I think at the major power five schools and programs, I don't know how many of those players live off campus. In many of those situations, they have a dorm that's the football dorm or the basketball dorm.

I think a lot of them live off campus. But your freshman year, you have to live on campus, and I think after that you're given a choice to live off campus if you want to. Yeah, but the food is still accessible for Alabama football players. I would imagine that there's a dining hall where they could eat all three or all five meals if they wanted to. Yeah, that kid complained a couple years ago, and I think they changed it. Okay. You know. But in the real, I mean, in the real world of what it is, you're trying out to play a professional sport,

and you're given that opportunity to try out to play a professional sport. And so go to school, do what you need to do. I do think that they should alter for certain kids. Like once you have a draft projection on you, like it's Zion Williamson, they need to change what his course schedule is and what he's actually doing because his degree is not going to be his degree. His degree is going to be in professional sports. And at that point that you have a grade on you, which would have given me

almost a full year of school in that world, go teach him how to be a professional athlete. Just find a way to teach them how to save their money, what's going to happen. It's like a symposium for a year. Help them out. Help them be pros. Versus, you've got to get your degree. This is going to be important to you. Because honestly, Kevin, my degree didn't mean anything to me.

It doesn't now. An art education degree did not help me in any way, shape, or form. I'm sorry. I shouldn't say this, like dismissive what a degree can do for people. But after I signed a contract for $30 million, what was my art education degree doing for me? No, I know. You should have taught me how to be a pro athlete. Right.

I think everything you said, I agree with. Those are the things that, first of all, in basketball, it's going to become a non-issue because they're going to have the NBA right at a high school as an option again here soon. And they need to do that so that the questions about situations like Zion Williamson don't come up. Because if Zion could have gone straight to the pros and was at Duke, the answer would have been, look, this was his choice. you know, he decided to go to Duke for a year.

He knew the rules. He could have gone to the NBA at a high school and been paid right now for playing. They need to get back to that because, I mean, we've done this a bunch recently on the show, so I'm not going to spend a long time, but you and I haven't talked about it in a while. The bottom line is that 90% plus of universities would not be able to pay athletes. They don't make money when you talk about all of the other programs that need to be funded, Title IX rules, et cetera. As Scott said, you know, everybody screams and yells and they're just all dumb because

most of these schools actually couldn't pay without getting state funding. The second part of it is the value proposition for the athlete, which I think you agree with to a certain point, is very undercommunicated. And I'm not talking about the school part, the free school part. I'm talking about, you know, the marketing platform that playing for Alabama or playing in football or playing for Duke in basketball gives these players. Zion Williamson's the exception to the rule. Nobody really, unless you're following recruiting,

knew who R.J. Barrett was before he played for Duke. And because he's played at Duke, he's going to enter the NBA as a top three pick next year with huge endorsement deals that he would not have otherwise had had he gone right from high school to the NBA. And I just, I don't know why. I think there's something to that, but along those same lines,

I'm also not opposed to a college athlete who has created a name for himself in whatever reason. And granted, it might be because he went to a big school, but he went to a big school because of his talent, getting paid for endorsements during his time in college. The problem with that is it creates in some of these situations an even more significant recruiting advantage because your chances of attracting that kind of an endorsement is going to be much greater at Kentucky than it is even at, let's just say, Kansas State. you know, so that's the problem with that. And for all intents and purposes,

those that are going to end up playing in the NBA are building up, you know, their deferred endorsement deals anyway by playing for these programs. Anyway, let's get to some Redskins stuff because I know you've looked at. Oh, listen, before you get to some Redskins stuff, yeah, okay, since you did your basketball stuff,

yeah. I have been watching, for the first time in my life, a little bit of college wrestling, which I know doesn't, excite you? No. But if you look up Penn State and what they've done over the last eight years with Cal Sanderson as their head coach, this is not a flim flamm flam. I'm dead serious. It's, it is one of the most incredible runs in sports. It's Patriot-like. It's unbelievable. They've won seven out of eight national championships. I'm watching these guys wrestle.

They're the Alabama of wrestling. Like you go from their 157, Jason Nolf, 165, this kid, Vincenzo Joseph, 174, all number one in the country. They're 184 number two in the country, the 197 number one in the country. They haven't lost a duel in 158 straight dual matches. If you're a coach anywhere in this world, how are you not knocking down Kelsey Anderson's door to figure out what he's doing? he was a four-time national championship national champion Olympic gold the best of the best at his position or in his in his sport which not very often translates to the best of the best in coaching and most of the time the best of the best you say well then you have a hard time getting the most out of these guys because they don't do what you could do this guy's getting 10 it's guys getting six seven guys a year eight guys a year on his roster to do what he did and win national championships I I I If I want to learn about coaching, Kel Sanderson might be the first person that I go talk to.

Okay. That's my real what do you got. If you want to, so normally college wrestling is boring, and I've been talking about this a little bit. I did this on my podcast earlier this week. Normally college wrestling is fairly boring. Not boring when you watch Penn State.

They are incredibly dominant. It's not slow. It's not boring. It is watching a team dominate any other team in the country. That is how good they are. It is unbelievably impressive. And the only reason I came upon it was because, it was on the Big Ten Network, and my TV was on that from a Maryland game that I'd watched

the night before. That's happened to me before. And I just sat there, and I watched this kid Jason Knolf, who was, I think, a two-or-three-time national champion, dominate somebody through an entire round or through an entire match, never looked tired and just keep attacking. And I'm like, this is, they were wrestling in Ohio State, and Ohio State's good. And it was not even close. It was a beating of all beatings.

They beat people. If there's basketball, they beat everybody like 90 to 50, everybody. 90 to 90, though. It's more than that. It's more dominant than that. It's like 90 to 30. It's insane. Well, I mean, this is scintillating conversation.

I'm so into it. But I'm sure other people would say that when I talk college hoops, they're not into it either. But I would just, I'll tell you this. Bigger picture is what I'm really getting at here. When Ryan, my youngest son, went to Penn State. he's a freshman at Penn State, as you know. When he went there, he mentioned in the fall at one point, he said, Dad, do you know how dominant Penn State wrestling is?

And I said, I don't. I just know that Iowa is really good. Because I remember Iowa was like a power for years, right? When you wrestled, wasn't Iowa the powerhouse? Like, they won, like, the national championship basically every year in wrestling? Yeah, Iowa and Iowa State in Minnesota were always the dominant, dominant wrestling teams. Was your... We didn't have wrestling.

Oh, you didn't have it at Utah State? Who recruited you? For those that don't know, Cooley was one of the top high school wrestlers in the country, his senior year. Who recruited you? I had offers from every school. Every school to wrestle. Like the big power, like Iowa, Minnesota, all those schools.

Now, my offers were at what is currently the 197 weight, because when I came out of high school, I won the state championship my senior year. I was undefeated. I went to the college nationals, or the high school nationals, which was my first time crossing the Mississippi, as a senior in high school. I went to Pittsburgh. And I lost my second match. And there's like the college or the high school nationals,

there was 150 guys in my bracket. So losing the second match essentially meant that I had to wrestle 14 matches to get into the meddling rounds. And I lost and I shouldn't have lost. But anyways, as I went through 14 matches, every coach and every college coach is there, watching. They're like, dude, you, you're awesome. And I probably should have ended up taking third, but sprayed my ankle and ended up taking six because I couldn't even walk on my feet.

So they wanted me to wrestle 197. That said, the next year at that point in time, I weighed 245 pounds. So 197 would have been out of the question, but I think I would have been a good heavyweight. I got offers. You know, I got offers. I got 10 calls after my freshman year of college football to come and start as their heavyweight wrestlers. At what schools? A bunch of schools. I can't remember exactly the power houses. Like pack 10 schools and a couple big 10 schools at the time.

And it was a tough decision for me after my freshman year at Utah State, not really playing, not redshirting, but not really plain, to say, I can go start anywhere. But then I thought about it and said, yeah, wrestling's way harder. That would be tough. It was harder than football, wrestling? Wrestling is not even comparable to football. Interesting. Which is why I think it's really interesting when I watch their lineup top to bottom wrestle

and outwork everybody. They're all the best, but they're all in better shape than anybody anyways, to say, Kale Sanderson, the head coach there, is getting more out of these kids than I could possibly imagine. How is a head coach getting this much out of these kids? What is he doing? I want to know. Coaching is coaching.

I mean, coaching is coaching. in any sport. I mean, I guarantee he could fix the safety risk that Whirlpool had in the UK with the dryers. Gary, he probably could have. He would have had to consult some directors on the board first. Gary Williams went undefeated

as the college soccer coach at Lafayette. I think it was the freshman team or the J.V. team, but undefeated didn't know one thing about soccer and they went undefeated. I mean, Joe Gibbs just had one, two, and three at the Daytona 500. Wasn't that emotional?

to see that it was weird it was incredibly emotional but that was eerie what are you from a religious standpoint or you're not just i'm not religious i know you're not i mean if you want to bang down that that that's that's a big statement right there that coy gibbs came down from above it is okay i mean just saying it's been over 40 years since any one team's done that it's it's not like they just give it up and naskar people want to win that race it was i know they're all teams and they run together a little bit, but that's crazy. It's really strange how as, that's not strange, but I guess my reaction to it was not what I would have expected necessarily, but when I, I turned it on live for what they called NASCAR

overtime, because there were all these crashes in the final few laps and, you know, to see, the Gibbs team went one, two, three, and I was, I was rooting for, you know, Denny Hamlin or Jones or Bush, one of the Gibbs cars to win. I couldn't care less about the Daytona 500. I'm just rooting for Joe. But when he got interviewed walking down the track afterwards, it was emotional for anybody that's a lifelong Redskins fan and Joe Gibbs fan to see that,

considering what his family had gone through. I really found myself very emotional watching it. And just, I mean, he really is. He's the number one all time. You know, if you take a Redskins, you know, the short list of the most meaningful people in the history of the organization, you know, we've done it with players, you know, many times, in Mount Rushmore of players. But Gibbs is the number one. He's the number one guy in the organization. I mean, and maybe I got, I was, I felt a little bit more because I was at the ceremony and then that's the Super Bowl.

I sat down with Joe for an hour. I mean, it was wild. And, you know, Lugano came in forth. Didn't Ligano race for Gibbs racing for the first couple years of his career, too? I guess, I mean, you would know that. I don't know. So, I mean, it was just, I don't know. I thought it was wild.

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NC State, two that you've actually broken down on film. We'll get to that in a moment. But there are a couple of things I want to get to first. Did you see the story? Peter King wrote on Monday morning quarterback that I think he wrote it, or maybe he tweeted it, I don't know. He had the Redskins as one of the five best or highest probability landing spots for Antonio Brown. Do you think there's any chance the Redskins would trade for Antonio Brown? I don't know if there's a chance they would trade for him. It's not the common move. I do know that that's a position that they need in a huge way. I know that that position is not necessarily available via free agency. It's a hard one to find in the draft.

And I also know that after the Steelers eat whatever it was Antonio Brown had and guaranteed money on the cap, that his cap numbers are right around $12 million a year, which is very, very viable for that player at that position. And so the fit would be perfect, I think even financially, if you were going to do that. You would have obviously the question of... Well, what you have to give up, first of all.

give up is one. Yeah. And then two, do you have an offense and a quarterback that would make it worthwhile? Well, first of all, yes. You can make him work in any offense with any quarterback because you can throw him a screen and he can take it 75. That's the difference with Antonio Brown. He can do everything, but he can catch underneath and go deep.

And he dictates coverage and he scares people over the top and your play action game is going to benefit for him. He's going to fit perfectly. That's not a question for me. Even, I mean, with Colt McCoy, yes, you're fine. I know he can get him the ball. I'm not 100% sure what they're going to do after that. But what you have to give up, I think, is massively important.

But he's certainly worth a top five pick, at least one, right? You'd give up a top five for Antonio Brown. I would. If you knew you liked him, I guess, he wasn't going to create it. You'd give up a top five pick for Antonio Brown. Where are you going to find that talent? I understand that. That talent were available, okay, let me ask you this. Let's just say, now, granted, you're supposed to take best available, but best available also meeting need to any team in the draft. Where are you going to find that player?

The issue is not where you're going to find that player because you won't, more likely than not. The issue is, is it worth it to give up a top five pick for a player that will be the best player you could have drafted for a couple of years, max? He's going to be 31 when the season starts. And are you really ready to win? Or do you need a player that hopefully is going to be a great player for you for a decade? I understand that, but there's also the, what player are you drafting Spencer Long, Ryan Grant, Trent Murphy, Kirk Cousins, all through the list. You're going to get a comp pick.

You're going to get a comp pick for him in 2025. Woo! We might get the 96 pick in the draft. But I think that he has incredible value. Here's the other thing I'd ask. Can you win now with him? Can you win next year with him? Does he help you win immediately?

Because when you give that up for that type of player, you need a lot of times that type of player is going to help you win right the second. And I don't quite know if the answer to that is 100% yes without a quarterback. So it gets into that 15, are you going to acquire the quarterback that you want? And is it worth it? Because the Steelers are going to demand this year's number one from somebody. But you're saying right now, if you were the Redskins, I want to be clear on this, that you would give up number 15 for Antonio Brown?

Because I think Pittsburgh would take number 15. I think that would be the best they'd get. They're going to demand a high price. If I'm Pittsburgh, I'm not trading him. It doesn't matter. They've already committed to trading him. I know, but I just think it's insane. I think it's insane, too.

I'm not committing to trading him. I'm just telling him that he's going to be here, and we're going to get you at least seven receptions a game, and you're going to be happy, and we're going to deal with it. If it's something that do with you and Ben, then you guys are going to figure that out, and we're going to work through that situation. I know that's absolutely, that's 100% the way to do it. I don't understand where you're creating these riffs with your best players, Leveon Bell and Antonio Brown.

I mean, when you get guys to a certain level, you understand their egos change a little bit, and you must adapt somewhat as an organization to their ego. You're exactly right. I mean, the best, what's in the best interest of the Steelers is not to trade Antonio Brown and take the salary cap hit that they're going to take by trading him. But Cooley, they tried. I think they tried. I mean, Art Rooney, you know, the current Rooney that's in the organization sat and met with him.

Kevin Colbert, you know, who went off on Ben Rafflesberger last week, calling him basically for all intents and purpose is the most important person in the organization. He met with him. Brown doesn't want to be there and they're ready to trade him. But which speaks to why what you said is true, they're going to have to get significant compensation back just a sort of, you know, on some level offset the salary cap hit they're going to take. Personally, I don't think I'd give up number 15 for Antonio Brown. I don't think I would do it. Not for this team anyway. If I were another team.

That's the other question that I posed is, do you win now with him? Right. If I'm Denver or I'm San Francisco or, you know, I'm one of those teams, Jacksonville, you know, they probably wouldn't do it necessarily. They may not have enough room. But if I were one of those teams that I thought was, you know, know, a player or two away from being a legitimate contender, I would think about it. But the Redskins are not that team. And by the time, he may make them more competitive. But by the time, let's just say,

you know, wishful thinking, in two years or three years, they're ready to really compete for something. He's really on the downside of his career. And the other thing I said coolly yesterday, and this is true, you know, Bruce Allen, with the exception of Alex Smith, since Bruce Allen came here in 2010. The one thing that Dan and Vinny used to do, which was pay 30-year-olds and guys that were more likely than not on the backside of their best years, Bruce hasn't done that. But you're not paying him. The Steelers already paid him. You're just going to assume base salaries for the next three years, which is right in line with what Deshaun was getting. Yeah, right. And he improved. And the other thing, it's $12 million a year.

Oh, the base is $12? But that's comparable to the $8 million that Deshaun got years ago based on the cap and the percentage going up. Deshawn was 25 or 20, you know, at the time of 30. Yeah, but it's year-by-year cap hit. Yeah, yeah, I got. The Redskins is very similar. And so that is actually a really good fit for any other team. That's appealing to another team that they didn't have to pay their guaranteed money.

You do have to ask, does he come in, have a good year, and say, I'm holding out for a new contract. Right. There's that as well. Because he's crazy. And at 32, he's probably going to want to because he's already been paid the guaranteed. So there are some big questions that you'd have to answer, but if you knew you had two years for sure before you had to negotiate and there's potential to negotiate, you'd have to know him a little bit.

That's always part of it. But you want Doxon to be better? Take coverage away from Doxon. Take the number one corner off Doxon and let him be the Z, and he's going to be much better. Take the safety and the number one and shade him to Antonio Brown. Doxon's going to be a better player. You're going to get a lot more out of Jordan Reed.

You're going to get more out of Trey Quinn with he's in there. Richardson's going to have a lot more easy looks to get the ball to. It changes what you do offensively to have a number one like that. All right. Let's get to the quarterback stuff. And by the way, one of the things I'd like you to consider as you're going through all these quarterbacks for your podcast, which you can get any way you get a podcast, you can get Cooley's podcast, is to consider this question, and that is, if Arizona

were willing to trade Josh Rosen, would the Redskins be better off if quarterback was the priority of trading number 15 for Josh Rosen or drafting one of the guys that they could potentially get at 15 or potentially would have to or possibly would have to trade up to get. Because I think that that is in play here in Arizona if they end up drafting a quarterback one overall. But let's start with your evaluation of- Well, first of all, you can't ask me that question and then not start with it. I'm giving you work because you can't possibly answer that right now.

I can answer it right now because you haven't evaluated all the quarterbacks. facts. Here's the guy, one guy I have evaluated, it's Kyleor Murray. And it's really interesting that Arizona hired Cliff Kingsbury as a former college coach who played that division and operated in that type of offense and was Patrick Mahomes guy. And, you know, Kyler Murray would fit perfectly into what he's been doing. So that actually is incredibly viable and don't think that's crazy. It might not be real, but don't think it'd be crazy to think they said, look, if we really like Kyler Murray, let's get a coach that will develop him immediately right now,

and we can trade Rosen for the 15th pick, per se, and take Murray at one. No, I understand that. My point is it's hard for you to answer the question as to whether or not the Redskins should do that when you haven't evaluated all of the quarterbacks coming out. Because what I really would want to know from you is, is Rosen better than anybody you would get at 15? Or better than anybody in this draft. I think the other thing you've got to do is you've got to look at Rosen and what he did in Arizona last year.

Of course. What was the worst offense of all time. I mean, it was absolutely dreadful from the start with Mike McCoy and then going through to who is the quarterback. Byron Lefich that ran the offense that had never been a coach for one year and now was coordinating an offense that just there's no way can call plays if you haven't been a coach for more than a year. I don't know what I see out of Rosen.

But enough people saw that he was a top 10 pick last year, a top 20 pick for sure. I think you get the experience of another year. It'd be really interesting to trade for Rosen. But yeah, like you said, I've got to know a little bit more about probably Daniel Jones and Drew Lock. Exactly, exactly. And you have not evaluated them, but you have evaluated Kyler Murray and Ryan Finley. Let's start with Kyler Murray.

Here's the first thing with Kyle Murray. He's electric. You watch him play, and he is what people call Twitchy. And I hate that I start with it. I did this on the podcast yesterday. I hated it started with that way because he's way more than that. It's not that he's Lamar Jackson a running back. He looks like a running back.

He looks like Lamar Jackson in the open field. But he's electric. So I'm starting with some of the positives. The thing I really liked is that he is incredibly comfortable pre-snap operating at the line of scrimmage. He does not get rattled. He does not get flustered. He dictates where he's sliding his line, where he's calling his place, his checks, all his stuff he does. He's very competent pre-snap, and he's very comfortable,

and he seems like he's an absolute leader out there, and so I love that. The guy, you know, in terms of a passer, he can make every throw. That's the thing you love about him. You're concerned because he's small, but he can make every throw. College hashesers are wider. There's no problem for him to be on a right hash and throw an 18-yard comeback across the field to the left hash and timing with no lag on the ball. So even as a smaller guy, I see that he can make every throw.

and I also see that he can make, you know, every throw from a lot of different arm angles. Good throwing on the run, good throwing on the move. So I like that a lot in him. I don't think that he runs, Kevin, to run. I saw a guy that's not afraid of trash in the pocket and trash around his feet to stay in the pocket. I see a guy that when he moves, a lot like Russell Wilson, is still moving to eventually throw the football, which I absolutely loved. And so his scrambles are really keeping his eyes down the field.

And you've got to be impressed with that. Sees coverage pretty well. I think he sees the field pretty well, but he operates in that all-gun and a lot of play-action type of offense. And they run the ball pretty well, and so you've got to commit to being able to stop the run, not only just the run game, but him as a part of the run game as well. And so that changes how many coverages you see.

You don't see very many coverages. So he does seem comfortable with coverages, but he's seen one or two, three coverages a game. They're not getting like an NFL look where you're going to get 10 different coverages and looks throughout the game. As a pastor, I thought he had good anticipation on throws, especially throws to the outside. I think he throws a good deep ball. He's got good arc and good trajectory on a deep ball. He gives guys opportunities to get the ball. I think he's a guy that is very practiced in play action fakes.

He shows the ball. He's patient with whatever he does. does. He's a guy out there. He's a dude, man. He does everything. He is incredible. I was highly impressed with all of the positives from Kyler Murray. He also has a super quick, quick release. Right. All right. So what are the negatives? Some of the negatives, which are hard. I mean, there are not as many, but you find them with everybody. One, inconsistent a lot with timing and rhythm throws, especially to the middle of the field. Like, he's behind receivers, and he's late getting to throws into the middle of the field.

And so you're looking at a guy that hasn't played a tonne, and that hasn't had that experience, and maybe he's not seeing some things. Actually, let's start with the real overall negatives. He looks tiny back there. He was 175 pounds last year. He looks. Apparently, he's like our old punt returner Banks back there playing quarterback. Yeah, right.

I mean, he looks tiny. Brandon Banks. He apparently has put on some muscle and weight here. Are he going to weigh on at 206? Right. Which also people said, is that going to slow him down? Is he going to run a 4-6 now? No, he's not going to run a 4-6. I'm sure he's put on 20 pounds of muscle and worked out in the right way to get that there. The other glaring negative, he's only started 13 games. You're not seeing as many coverages. You're not seeing as many looks.

And although there aren't as many in college, if you're a three- or four-year starter, eventually you're going to see all of them. He has only operated in gun, and he has mostly operated out of play action stuff. So you're not seeing him do as much quick game stuff. Now, their RPO stuff is available. They also have some cool niche stuff off of that, double moves off RPO stuff. But, you know, I haven't seen him operating in one, two, three, cut the field and half quick game type of stuff. So I got to teach him to do that, or I got to hire Kingsbury to just run that the exact same offense and not do that.

he would fit great in the Rams offense, by the way, with all the play action stuff and all the boot stuff and that's the kind of offense you run for him. I said he was small. He takes shots, man. He can slide, and he slides when he's a scrambler, but when he's a runner,

he ain't sliding. So is he going to be durable at that position? Well, that's a big question. Isn't that the biggest? I mean, all of the technical side of stuff, all the technical stuff aside, excuse me, the size is his biggest concern and whether or not he could hold up physically at this level. I've got a couple of questions for you. Tell me when you're done.

Okay, let me give you the last couple. Get stuck on the deep ball too long. So when he's throwing deep shots, he gets stuck too long on the deeper shot before getting into the intermediate or getting all the way down to the bottom level. And it'll force throws into some double coverage over the top a little bit too much. he also takes way too many shots into double coverage when he's off schedule. So when he's off schedule moving around, he really does want to take the shot down the field, and he throws a lot of risky balls.

And so you're concerned about that. He was a guy that, I think, 42 touchdowns, seven picks, like six of the seven picks were all on him. Like, when you watch some of the picks, we watch the Texas Tech picks. If he threw two in one game against Texas Tech, you're like, what are you doing? The ball is never going to go there. It's insane. through a pick against West Virginia, fooled by coverage. You're like, you can't throw that.

That's dumb. Don't do that. So the couple little inane picks that you're wondering about, but you justify by saying the guy started 13 games in his career. So I'm not too concerned about that. And then lastly, not a lot of touch on his underneath throws. I think you're concerned with some of the touch throws, and he misses some throws like that.

I watch the Alabama game. He's got some errant throws that I think if he put some touch, he would be a little bit better on the ball. But he is accurate, a passer at times. He does know where he wants to go with the ball. He can back-shoulder a guy in the middle of the field to keep him away from pressure. He can make every throw. He can't.

He just misses some. It doesn't mean he can't make them. He just misses more than you'd want him to, maybe. Size used to be really important in the evaluation of a quarterback. It isn't as much anymore. Is it important to you? Yeah, I think there's some important to it. If you said, would you rather take a guy that's six-three versus

510, 511, the answer is 100% yes. And the real underlying thing is when you go from one to two, in a quick game situation, three, five step drop, can you get to your checkdown? By that, I mean, can you see it? Can he see and find his back over the offensive line who's checked three to five yards in front of him? And so that's one of the big size issues.

So obviously with Kyle and Murray, you're going to have to alter where your checkdowns are and where they're going to be, you're not going to want to check a back over the ball. Like the Redskins' number one checkdown spot, the four verts, they have a little option around right over the middle of the ball, right over the middle of the field with a running back. And you see Kirk always go over the middle of the back or Chris Thompson, all the catches he's made in the last few years right there. That's a hard thing to see if you're 5'10 because you just don't. But Kyler Murray also negotiates the pocket so well, and he finds a little passing lanes that I think he'll be able to see it. Oklahoma had a lot of checkdowns where they just, they had some play action shots where receivers going,

deep and they'd hit your receiver up on the outside. Their checkdowns were more on the outside. And he does have the arm strength to get those checkdown. Yeah, the size is not a massive issue. I'm not overly concerned with him being, if he's 200 pounds, being durable. You know the one issue that you and I talked about is if it doesn't go well for two years, is he sitting there saying, should play baseball. Right.

Well, I mean, obviously you take the football deal, the initial contract's much bigger in football. But baseball was going to give him. him guarantees to have major league shots early in his career. They were going to pay him four million bucks or did. He had to give it back. And I got to know that he's come in and work like an NFL quarterback. Yeah, I mean, I think that is definitely part of the evaluation. You have to be confident, especially if you're taking him in Cliff Kingsbury's position at number one overall, that you know, he's not going to two years from now say, this is rough. It's not what I thought it would be. I'm to go play for the Oakland A's because you can't have a first pick overall as a quarterback

end up moving on to another sport. I did, you know, one of the things, too, when it comes to players like Kyler Murray is 10 years ago, we didn't have comps for him. Now we've got potential comps and offenses that look like at times the offense he's run in college or certainly the potential exists for an NFL team to do that. is Russell Wilson, Baker Mayfield, Michael Vic, I mean, if you want to go back to before, you know, offenses were really designed to, you know, leverage all of his unique talents. Who is he, who does he resemble to you?

Is there like Mahomes? He resembles Mahomes. But he can run more like Lamar Jackson. I think he's creative like Mahomes. To me, to me, he looked like small Mahomes. Faster, but small Mahomes. I mean, we're talking about... You're going to comp him to Russell Wilson, but he's a much better runner than Russell Wilson.

He's a faster runner. You think he has... Oh, he's way more twitchy. He can make guys miss way more than Russell Wilson can, and will at the NFL level. He will be a nuisance and a problem as a runner and in the pocket. He is elusive. The Russell is, too, but a lot of Russell's like innate presence and understanding. Trust me, I'm not discounting what Russell can do.

I'm just telling you that Kyle or Murray is more elusive. But if you're comparing him to Monash, Mahomes also, a smaller version of Mahomes, then you have to ask yourself the question, will the size make the difference between him becoming Mahomes or a combination of Mahomes and Lamar Jackson, or his size will prevent him from growing? I think it can if you're not willing to adapt your offense to what he's capable of doing. If you're going to literally sit there and say, hey, we want you to run three to five-step drop, quick game stuff, intermediate game stuff, and have to get to your checkdown.

I think it can absolutely impact him. But if you're going to go a lot of play action stuff and get him out on the move, sprint him out, changes location point as a passer, no. I mean, he can make all those creative plays that Mahomes makes. That's what it reminds me of a little bit more than, and I guess maybe style of offense was way more similar to the Chiefs than what Seattle did last year. Would he be a good fit for Jay Gruden? Yeah.

They're not getting him, but yeah. You're convinced he'll be long gone before 15. I think when you look at Kyler Murray, you look at teams that need quarterbacks, and you say, maybe not obviously, Arizona could do anything. That's a wild card with Rosen, but if you say they had Rosen,

and Grasplos is sitting there too with the 49ers, they're not taking him. And who's three, three is not taking him. The Jets. The Jets are not taking it. The Raiders could at four. The Raiders could at four. The Giants obviously could at six.

And the Giants at six and the Jags at seven. But then you're saying, if you really fell in love with them and you're concerned, the Raiders are going to take him. The Giants are probably going to try to trade up to three to get ahead of the Raiders. I think he goes in the top five. Okay. Tell everybody about Ryan Finley. I actually mentioned him on the show yesterday with J.P. Finley.

I always liked watching Finley play at NC State. He always looked to me like a pro quarterback, but typically when they played really good defensive teams, although Clemson, he had great games against over the years, but man, he looked very ordinary against a really good defensive team, Texas A&M in their bowl game. So first of all, the one thing you have to consider when you're saying the guy threw for like 17 and 28 against Clemson for 150 yards and a pick or two picks, you have to say how much better is Clemson's talent than their talent in terms of receivers and ability to get down the field? How much pressure is he going to have because they can't block things up because

Clemson's defensive lines insane? How much does he have to overcome in terms of talent to have success in that game? And the answer is a ton. Like I watched that Clemson game. And I watch early in the game him trying to throw a seven-yard-out route on his right side and timing rhythm perfect in the receivers gets locked down. The DB bats the ball. It should have been a completion.

You know, in that Clemson game, I was actually referring more to the Clemson game from the year before when they nearly beat him with Finley playing great. But yeah, that's right. They got blown out this year. Sure. But they were plays in this game that he made. They were down 14-0 in the second quarter,

and they had a hitch and go wide open that he throws a perfect deep ball, and the receiver drops it playing in his hands. So that's a highlight film if he catches that ball for Ryan Finley. So, look, when I look at Finley, you're looking at the guy that's 6-4, probably come in, 210, 2.15, maybe 220 at the combine. Three-year starter.

He was a basketball player and football player out of Phoenix. I like guys that are multi-sport guys. Competent starter. You know, he went to Boise State and tore his ACL and then went to NC State. Competent starter for three years slightly improves every year. You're concerned about his touchdown rate,

which is never high. 25 touchdowns to 11 picks last year. 17 to 6, 18 to 8. But the things I like, I like that he's running an NFL-style offense, and they really are, to a large extent, NC State. It's all zone-run stuff. Right. Now, they don't necessarily have tight ends on the ball.

They have them more in the back field at times. But he's in the gun. He's under center. He's in the pistol. They move him all around, so he can do everything there. I think he has pretty good command of the field. I think he sees things, blitzes and stuff pre-snap. To me, he's a guy that understands how to play the position, good feet, good drop, holds the safety with his eyes downfield.

I think he has good anticipation on a ton of throws. To me, he was a good boot quarterback could throw in square his shoulders on the run. I thought he fit balls into tight windows, especially in third-down situations with a lot of accuracy. I think he can throw the ball on the back shoulder on a slant to avoid throwing his receiver into a linebacker. to me, diagnosis from one to two pretty quick. Good touch throughout on short throws. I threw a really good deep ball, actually. I thought he had some talent as far as a deep ball.

A good player. Like you can see, consistent quarterback knows how to play the game, solid starter, you know exactly what you're going to get. More a day two guy, right? Not a day three guy. Do you agree that he's not getting past the third round? I think he's a third round pick. Okay.

I think a lot of people at him as the fifth best quarterback on the board, but I think he's probably more of a third down or a third round type of pick. I think that there's enough to him where he's not making, he's not making enough plays. He's taking some risks because he's trusting his arm a lot and throwing it into some things that he shouldn't throw it into. I think he can misread some deep throws. Terrible run fake guy for a zone run offense,

It's like his run fakes are the worst of all time, which doesn't mean a lot, but you can coach that up pretty quickly. Well, it does mean a little bit, right? I think for a guy that's a pocket passer does not feel incredibly comfortable in the pocket. Like, I can see him leaving the pocket because he's got exterior pressure when he can step up and reset. I'd like to see him step up, reset, and make throws a little bit more. He gets his eyes down a little bit more than I would like. Look, he's a very good player.

but he's not a first round pick. And he's probably, if he gets into the second, he's probably a late second round pick. And so I don't see Finley as your answer for a team that needs the starting quarterback. All right. You're going to do more of these, right? And you can listen to him on Coolie's podcast as well.

The one guy that I want you to do at some point here before the draft is Jarrett Stidham, the quarterback at Auburn, who I thought struggled this year when I watched them. But when they had more talent offensively in 2000, 2017, he looked like a really good West Coast type of quarterback. Hopefully he's on your list to do a film. I like to watching him play the last couple years.

All right, I have a question for you. The question is this. I want your percentage chances on the following two things. Number one being that the Redskins don't address the quarterback situation in any meaningful way in this offseason, meaning no free agency edition, except Josh Johnson, no trade, and no drafting of a quarterback in the first two rounds. If you want to say three rounds, that's fine. But to me, if you draft a quarterback in the first two rounds, there's a sense of urgency that's very apparent. They're looking for a quarterback sooner rather than later.

Third round or later, it's more of a down-the-road kind of thing when it comes to the quarterback. So percentage chances on they do nothing in this offseason to address the quarterback position in a meaningful way. All right. No free agency other than Josh Johnson. No drafting a quarterback in the first two rounds. No trade versus they do address the quarterback in a meaningful way. They sign Teddy Bridgewater or they draft a quarterback in the first two rounds. Right now your gut feel on the percentage of both.

I think there's zero percent chances. that they don't address it in what you call a meaningful way. I don't think that they address it via free agency because I don't think that they can afford to pay any of the guys that you want to pay, which to me right now is simply Nick Foles. I don't know if there's anybody else that you want to pay besides Nick Foles that you can pay. Teddy Bridgewater has been, you know, there's been stories. Teddy Bridgewater is not going to be a starter for you.

You're not going to sign Teddy Bridgewater and guarantee that he's the starting quarterback. I think there's enough unknown there that I don't feel comfortable paying him. What's he going to get $15 million a year, $12 million year? I'm not paying him that to not know that he's the starter. It's been four years since he's played. He hasn't gotten better by not playing in those last four years. The other interesting one is Tyra Taylor. You know that I don't love Tyra Taylor's starting quarterback.

My feeling on all of these guys is you go down the list of free agent quarterbacks is at that position by the time they get to their third team, second team for a lot of these guys. There's a reason that they got there. There really is a true reason. You don't get to your third team because you're a great player. You get to it because you're not a good fit in certain schemes and you don't have the talent for them to change your scheme around you.

And so me personally, I don't think you can pay anybody. I think that that 15th pick, I mean, unless you really were crazy, got Antonio Brown or something crazy. I think that pick is either you're drafting Drew Locke or Daniel Jones because they fell there, which I also don't think is going to happen, or you're trading up anywhere to eight. And you're drafting the quarterback. That would be my goal.

You're saying that since you're saying that free agency isn't the way they'll go, you're saying that's 100%. You just said it was 100%. No, no, no, no, no. I'm not saying it's 100%. I've said it's 100% that they address the position. I don't think they signed someone in the March 15th free agents period through the draft. but I don't know if a lot of guys do.

Like, you're going to have, I wouldn't be surprised if Tyrod Taylor's still an available free agent after the draft. Right. So I think that if they don't end up getting the guy that they like in the first round of the draft or potentially maybe the guy they love ends up being a second round pick, that they end up acquiring someone like Tyrod Taylor after the draft. So it's 100% that they're going to address it in a meaningful way. What's the percent chance they address it?

a meaningful way via the draft in the first round, or first two rounds, or free agency? Let's say it's 99, because you can never say it's 100 on anything, and I'm waiting in my opinion a lot on all of this. And then to your second question, I think it's 50% or better that it's in the draft. Okay. You know, to me, the free agent thing, if they were to sign Tyrod Taylor or Teddy Bridgewater. And the two. of them, they're not good comparisons because what you said about Tyrod Taylor, as you were describing it, made a lot of sense, I think, to probably a lot of people listening when you get to that third opportunity. It's probably more about you than the teams you were on. But Teddy

Bridgewater had a serious, a near, you know, a near career-ending injury and really hasn't had an opportunity since he's come back from that injury. He started that one game at the end of the year with the Saints with all of the Saint backup players. So that wasn't really. really a true measure as to where he is. But what I'm getting at is that if the Redskins were to make a move in that direction, I've said this on the podcast. I believe this. I don't know if you agree with it or not. But that's not what Jay Gruden wants. And if you end up with Tyrod Taylor on this roster at $9 million for a season or whatever, he's not being signed to back Colt McCoy up. He's being signed at the very least to compete with Colt McCoy to be the starter.

And that would just say to me that Jay Gruden's influence on who his quarterback is in 2019 is not very meaningful or significant, that it's a Bruce Allen, you know, inspired or initiated move if they were to sign a free agent. The draft thing is different. But Tyrod Taylor, you're going to tell me that Jay thinks that Tyrod Taylor is any better than Colt McCoy? No. And I don't think that if you sign Teddy Bridgewater or Tyrod Taylor, even if you pay them,

whatever it is, $7, $8, $9 million year, which I'm opposed to. I say that. I say that I'm opposed to it. But I don't think that they're immediately the starter. I think it's slanted in the favor of Colt McCoy anyways to be the opening day starter. I think it's saying we don't truly believe that Cole McCoy is going to stay healthy for the year, which how can you? So we don't want to go to the position we went last year. And no offense to Josh, but we don't want to have to go to a guy that hasn't been here and participated and played it

at a medium level at least. And so we're securing depth. And they came in and just knocked your stocks off and they could win the job. But I think you would have to outplay Colt McCoy markedly to be the starter. Don't you think, though, that a Teddy Bridgewater maybe Ty Taylor, but a Teddy Bridgewater at this point, that if he's going to be a backup, he's going to stay a backup in New Orleans, that why would he sign with the Redskins to compete or be a backup versus Miami to be a starter? You know, like if he's going to be, as a free agent, if he's going to be a backup, he'd rather stay in New Orleans and back up Drew Breeze and be ready when Drew Breeze

retires in three years. I think that's a lot of that's on Teddy because you don't know when Drew Breeze is going to retire. And so Teddy doesn't want to be a backup for four more years. But he's not going to come to Washington to be a backup. Yeah, but if you came to Washington to be a backup, if you were his agent, you'd say Colt McCoy's going to get injured. What are the odds you're going to play in New Orleans this year versus what are the odds you going to play in D.C. this year.

Weigh your odds on that. I understand that. They're much higher in D.C. because of Colt McCoy's injury history, and potentially Teddy could beat Colt McCoy out in training camp. but if you told me that the choices were Washington to compete best case, more likely than not back up and hope that Colt gets injured so you get your opportunity versus Miami or Jacksonville,

then I'm going to go to Miami or Jacksonville for sure, but if you said Washington or New Orleans, if I was Teddy's agent, I would say go to Washington, and you should get a chance to play and show what you have this year. You should. Yeah. Okay. I think the one thing that

worries me, and you can get lucky in this quarterback thing, but what worries me is even the best organizations, the NFL as a whole, generally misses on first round quarterbacks. There are more misses than hits in the first round. You know, there are more Jake Lockers and Blaine Gabberts than there are, you know, Patrick Mahomes. And so the Redskins picking at 15 overall, having significant needs, I would hope that they wouldn't take a quarterback that's lower rated on their board by a lot than, say, you know, Devin White, an inside linebacker from LSU who could be a star. He's got to, do you have to, if you want to take someone at 15, they have to be rated 15 or better on your board. Yeah, absolutely. I'm completely fine with that. Okay. Stick here for a

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All right. Try Centbird out. I'll get Sam Bird. We'll get it going. All right. I want to do a quick Redskins reality check right now with you. I looked this up last night. Right now, the futures odds on Sportsbook.com and other sites are all basically similar. Only the Cardinals are a longer shot to win the NFC championship than the Redskins in the NFC. I think the Redskins and the Lions have the same odds. So the Redskins right now are predicted odds-wise to be the second or third one.

worst team in the NFC. The worst team in the NFC East. In fact, the Giants odds, and they're the third best odds in the NFC are significantly higher than the Redskins are to win the NFC championship. And I was looking this up. On average, the third worst, if we take it as the third worst team in the NFC over the last five years, is averaged 11 losses per year. They're over under number right now, all right? There's a range out there. I've seen it as low as five and a half wins, I've seen it as high as six and a half wins. Let's split the difference and call it six. If I told you you had to make a wager right now on over or under six wins for 2019, how would you wager? I would say over. Why? Because Jay is good enough to win six games. But I would have a concern

in what is perceived as the last year in a coaching staff in an organization. Whether or not it's true, I don't know, but when it's reported and when it's out there and when people talk about it, you have that feeling. If they were to start out and win four or five games in the first eight or nine, then they'll get to six. They can't get to six and a half. But if things were to go poorly, I know the feeling with an organization that starts to trend downhill and a coach going out. By the way, Jim Zorn got a head coaching job in the XFL and Seattle. How about that? But, I mean, I know that feeling amongst the group of players in the organization, and it's not a great feeling. And so I could see it going under.

But I would bet you that Jay has a way to win seven games. You know, it's funny because you nailed it. Like if they start out and they're having a competitive first month, month and a half of the season, then the over is probably very much in play. You know, it could be a season like last year. But if they start off poorly, it could go really south. early and end up being very ugly and it might not only go under, it may go way under. That could definitely, I could see that definitely happening. Well, only you know who they're going to play in the first month.

I do. I've been working on my mock schedule. We're still about a month away from the mock schedule because the actual schedule usually comes out in mid-April right around there. It's before the draft. It's right after. It's usually the week after the NCAA tournament final in the beginning of baseball season. the NFL likes to time it for there because you get so much attention.

So it's like, hey, you got the NCAA championship over here and Major League Baseball starting, but we got our schedule. It's here. Look at it. Get all excited, playing all your trips. We do know some things about the NFL schedule. I don't know if you knew these things, but the Redskins are not going to play on Thanksgiving for the first time in three years.

They had a three-year run of playing on Thanksgiving. Dallas, Giants, Dallas. They're not playing on Thanksgiving this year. The Thanksgiving games are Detroit, Chicago. Dallas, Miami, and Philly, Minnesota. Or at least that's what John Orand from Sports Business Daily was reporting. But anyway. You never want to do that schedule game with who you can beat,

but they play the 49ers, the Jets, the Dolphins, the Bills, the Lions, the Giants are going to be better. I said that. On paper, I think the Redskins may have the easiest schedule in the NFL based on last year's record. which means absolutely nothing. A 469 win percentage from last year's teams. I think it's the easiest.

I thought I read that recently, that their opponents for 2019, based on last year's records, are the, it's the easiest in the NFL. Yeah, but the Giants were 10 and 22. I mean, they play them twice, so that collectively is 10 and 22.

They're not a 5 and 11 team this year. That's right. And really what made the difference between the Giants and the Red Redskins is their head-to-head games. But the Redskins have a couple of interesting trips next year. They go to Lambo. They play the Packers at Lambo, and they play Minnesota on the road. And they play the Patriots at home.

So there's some in addition. Plus, I think they play the Bears. The Bears game is at home, right? It's at home. Yeah. I'll have that mock schedule out. You'll get it out. All right.

So the last thing I wanted to do with you is ask you about your memorabilms. of the following. Ten years ago today, Albert Hainsworth was signed by the Redskins, and this was part of his introductory press conference. You're not going to remember Albert Hainsworth as a bust or the guy who, you know, had to Dallas incident or anything. You don't remember him as a great player, and that's what I live for. You know, the money is awesome, is great, but, you know, I'm out here. When I line up in front of somebody, when I put that helmet on. It's the kick butt and it's to make sure that guy knows that I'm the best player every play against. Ten years ago today, he signed the largest contract in the history of the NFL

for a defensive player. What do you remember about, you know, with the reaction that you had, that your teammates had, when they signed him, and then some of your first gut feelings about what kind of person and what kind of player he would be? So I actually went on with Galini He kind of asked me the same thing yesterday, and I said, you know, I remember in the weight room when he came in that first off-season, we were doing dumbbell presses. I think, like Lorenzo Alexander, I could do 165 pounds. You'd do eight of them, and it was crazy. And I think I'd do, like, 140s. And Haynesworth was doing 65s.

65s. Okay, man. Sounds good. I didn't get too involved with all of the signing stuff and all the free agent stuff as a player. And you'd want to give someone the benefit of the doubt. He had a heck for year in Tennessee the year before. I think we had some high hopes for him. But it didn't go well.

It was immediate that it wasn't going well. It was immediate the way guys practiced. You can see that. And, you know, again, as a player, you want to say, look, just show up and play. I don't – I'm Clint Portis did crazy stuff during the week, but he showed up and played every week. So if you get through camp and into games, she's like, just play hard, we're cool. It didn't really go that way. Do you remember anything about when the team, like, was there talk among teammates that this guy is, that this isn't going to work?

Or was there a moment? I mean, at what point did you realize it wasn't going on? His relationships were with nobody on the team. So it was pretty early in the year that we knew. And this guy really doesn't necessarily fit in with our locker room. fit in with what we're doing. And he's just kind of in his own world. So, yeah, week one, week three.

And then obviously, you watch someone lay down in the game in Philly, and you're like, oh, my gosh, he's laying there on the ground. What was he doing out there? You don't want to suck as a player, but some of that becomes, you laugh at it? It wasn't good, man. I don't want to say anything bad. I don't want to say anything else bad about Albor Haynes. Well, was his talent noticeable?

Yeah, at times. I mean, there were a few flash plays that he made early, but everybody knew what his talent was. That was the thing that I think is hard. And looking back on it now, that's the thing that's really frustrating. Everybody knew what he was capable of if he wanted to. So when you know what someone's capable of if they want to,

and then they're not doing it, you realize that they just don't want to. he was just doing it look it's up here's the thing it's a business and i don't condone what he did i don't respect what he did but i do understand in the way that he handled that i'm just going to get my money i am here to get my money i'm going to take it from them and i'm going to do the least i possibly have to do to take it from them and it was apparent and obvious and i don't think that he had a problem discussing that it was that's exactly what he was going to do and that he was going to do the same thing somewhere else.

And, you know, it wasn't the way I would have done it. I had a lot of pride in what I do. I still do. Even if I don't want to do it, I'm still going to do it the best I can possibly do to do it. And he didn't. So I don't believe in the way he did it, but I do know what he was doing. Do you remember the part where when Shanahan came in, you know, he was forcing him to pass the conditioning test,

played him the entire game in that final preseason game out in Arizona in 2010, I think it was. And, you know, there were a lot of people in town. You were not a part of the media at that point. You were still on the team. There were a lot of people in town that were, you know, really almost backing Albert Hainsworth, like, oh, this is horrible what the head coach is doing to him, embarrassing him in this way.

They should just cut him loose and move on. Now, Mike ended up getting a fifth rounder for him when they finally did move on from him. But do you remember what the team's feeling was about all of that? Because that was a major story that training camp year. The conditioning test wasn't hard. That was the thing. What we had is a 300-yard run. You ran 25 yards down, touch a line, and 25 yards back.

And different position groups had to make it in different times. I think receivers, 58 seconds, tight ends, 60 seconds, offensive linemen, defensive linemen, 62 or 64 seconds. If you had done anything in the off season, it was about one minute and a three-minute break and another one minute of hard running. He could have passed the conditioning test if he had done anything. So at first it was interesting, and then it became almost a little fad story between us. Like, when is he going to do it?

Is he going to do it? I mean, we all wanted to go watch him do it. And I don't know if he was concerned that he wouldn't pass it. I'm sure that if he called Mike and said, I don't want anybody to know that I'm not going to pass the test, that Mike would have said, hey, come out at 7 o'clock this afternoon before we get to camp, and me and you can go do it, and I'll hold it. I'll bet you if he was close.

Mike would have been fine with it. He just wanted him to go run it. Everybody else on the team did it. Everyone did it. It was the standard. The standard is the standard, and that's the new thing. Just go run it. So he didn't.

Yeah, there was this. So he was embarrassing him in Arizona? I don't care, man. He hadn't played. He hadn't run. He hadn't proved that he was in shape. Mike wanted him to get him in shape. The, you know, there was also the sense at the time that, you know, Hainsworth, once Shanahan came in and went to the 3-4, he's like, well, that's not why I signed here. And that that was somehow an organizational mistake. Do you remember having any feelings about it at the time? Well, you're in a 3-4, 30% of the time. If they wanted to explain it to him in that fashion, you could have.

If he said, I'm not playing 3-4, rotate me out on first down, and I'll play second and third downs. I'm sure that that would have been discussed. It's not that big of a difference. I mean, there is some that you have to two-gap and take on double teams. But Albert Haynes was so good if he wanted to walk a double team to the backfield every down he could have done it you know you and i have talked over the years about how when you were playing you didn't really understand or didn't really pay attention to

the discussion about how um how much of how dysfunctional the redskins roster you know management was the free agent signings the one you know bust after another the one bad move after another you didn't realize it as much when you were going through it do you think that you know the hainesworth signing is universally, you know, basically the number one all-time free agent failure. You know, on any list, if it's not number one, it's number two. And the Redskins have like five of the top 15. You know, if you look at the biggest free agent, NFL free agent failures of all time. Do you, I mean, this was a Dan and Vinny move because Greg Blosh, the reports at the time

was that Greg Blosh didn't want any part of them. Do you remember that? Not really. Okay. If you're going to sign those guys, though, like the Brandon Lloyds and the guys that have a little bit of ego, you better cater to them a little bit. And if you don't want to cater, don't sign those type of players. But just get guys that want to play football. It would have been easy to understand if Albert wanted to play football.

It would have been our conversation. Hey, Albert, will you play in a 3-4 if we went to a 3-4, 2 years from now? No. Okay, you don't really want to do it. Fine. We'll move on. Yeah. I doubt that question.

was ever asked. Well, it should be asked if you're signing the detackle. Yeah. You know, really, it all changed a year later. In many ways, it was that signing, you know, along with Jim Zorn being the head coach, those two things in combination really, you know, sent Dan into a new phase of the kind of owner he would become. You know, I'm not saying it's a better ownership, but it's different. You know, you've described it this way, and I've used your description before, but the last nine years or so was Dan's attempt to be a good owner. You know, bringing Bruce on hiring Mike initially, not overspending for free agents, you know, every offseason, not turning the off season into the big Redskins, you know,

free agency show. It hasn't worked, but it was really that combination of Zorn and Albert Hainsworth, you know, 10 years ago, I mean, the end of Albert Hainsworth anyway. And there must have been some recognition from Dan that this was a massive mistake. And maybe it was, I don't want to be the one that fails anymore, so let's let somebody else do it. But I mean, because it hasn't worked, I'm just sitting here thinking if I'm in those shoes and I don't want to watch film and I don't want to be a hands-on owner, because it didn't work for nine years, doesn't mean that you don't try to make it work again or continue to make it work in that fashion. You go it the right way. Well, I've made the case, and I know you and I think have had this conversation, and I forget what you really think.

think on this. But, you know, if it hasn't worked either way, he might as well go back. This is, this, this is part of what you think. Oh, it'd be a lot more fun to just go through the things the way that you were doing. Yeah, if it was going to be the same outcome, you might as well have fun having that outcome. Well, I think you've made the case to me, and I've made the case on the podcast that it couldn't get, it couldn't be any worse. It couldn't be any worse to go out and be, you know, the March and April, you know, winners. You're, it's, you're not going to end up with, with with different results, potentially could be better. I mean, if you look at the record with Vinny and Dan from 2000 through 2009,

it's better than the record that Bruce has had since he's been running the organization. I mean, my analysis or my analogy is really this. If I had a fantasy football team and was, you know, in the top two or three, once every four years, and then out of ten guys, like eight, nine, the other four, and then hired someone, and for five years, they were not in the top. five, I would say, I'll just do it. I'd rather run my own team and suck. Exactly. Exactly. All right. No, I mean, it's not like I'm saying that. Like, they're trying to. I don't want that to sound like they're trying.

What are your next quarterbacks? What are the next quarterbacks you're going to do? I think a kid out of Ohio State and Daniel Jones. And maybe McSorley. I want to look at McSorley a little bit. I like McSorley. I know you like McSorley, but McSorley's not going to get drafted in, you know, the first two rounds. I just want to look at him. I'm not saying he's getting drafted. But he's a winner. Put Jarrett Stidham on your list. And then also on your list, you've got to go back when you've got all these quarterbacks evaluated and evaluate Josh Rosen again to see if –

because here's the question about Josh Rosen. If Josh Rosen, if you're – if Arizona's legitimately interested in trading him, okay? You have to put – you have to basically pit Josh Rosen against the other quarterbacks in the draft that you might have a chance to get at 15. I'm talking about from a Redskins perspective. No doubt. There's no doubt about it. If he's available, you count him like he's a draft pick.

He's in the second year of a five-year deal. Exactly. Yeah, no doubt. And you know what? Wouldn't surprise me if he would grade out higher than anybody else in this draft, maybe except Kyler Murray because it's a different, you know, evaluation. I'll also make, I'll also make the prediction that when you evaluate Haskins, it's not going to be overly favorable.

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watch Virginia Tech Duke, which we've already mentioned. I really like Buzz Williams as a coach. I just think he's one of those guys that I don't think he's going to be at Virginia Tech forever. You know, he's going to have an opportunity. He coached at Marquette. He's coaching in the ACC. He's coaching the Big East in the ACC. It's not like there's a massive move to go. He's already at the top levels of college basketball, just not at the elite levels of college basketball. But sometime down the road there's going to be an opening that's going to be attractive and he's going to be a candidate for it. Whether it's North Carolina or Duke or Kansas or Arizona if it doesn't work out with Miller, you know, that kind of thing would be a step up from Virginia Tech. You would agree that. Virginia Tech

is not an elite job. It's a football first school by miles. But look, the Hokies are good. I mean, got talent. They're going to be, you know, somewhere between a five and a six seed, I think. I've not looked at their latest position in most of the bracketologies, but they've become the Duke Slayer in the ACC, you know, almost, you know, in some ways, taking Maryland spot as far as that's concerned. But they've got a really good shot to be, you know, a four, five, six seed somewhere in that range. And I think Buzz William, I think he's such a good coach. I think they've been. I think I've got a chance to make a sweet 16 kind of a run. The game last night that I did watch a lot of was Wisconsin and Indiana.

Oh, boy. Well, this was a good result for Maryland. Well, it was a great result. It's just the game itself. The game, well, it's funny that you. Why are you saying it that way? I mean, there's so many. The refs, you know, just constantly stopping.

I thought the play just wasn't very good. Well, it was a typical Big Ten game. Yeah. You know, I mean, it was, you know, actually fairly high scoring for a big 10 game because it was 6262 at the end of regulation, which is, you know, a lot of the over-unders in these big 10 games are in the 120s, the low-130s. I mean, you're talking about games that are predicted to end up in the 63, 61, 64, 62, you know, range. It was exciting and it was the first time that Romeo Lankford, their terrific freshman, Indiana's terrific freshman. He was one of the top five players. in the country coming out. And he's going to be, you know, he's going to be a lottery pick in the draft in June. And, you know, there have been times where I've been really impressed with him. Like, he had a really good game at Maryland. Yes, he did. When Maryland beat him in College Park early in the Big Ten season. But he has not finished these games well when I've watched Indiana. Indiana has, Indiana was supposed to be a

tournament team this year, and they're not. They had lost five in a row going into the Wisconsin game. And I think it was something like 13 of 14, you know, going in. I mean, they had a lot of close losses, but they beat one team, you know, since basically the Big Ten schedule started. And that was Michigan State. And it was on the road. It was a shocker. They've been close, though. They had a chance against Ohio State and Iowa and Purdue, you know, was a buzzer-beater game in their last outing. But they beat Wisconsin. And, you know, I don't know what the Big Ten is. other than it's really competitive and more competitive top to bottom than any other league. But I don't know what it's going to look like in the tournament.

There are some ugly offensive basketball. I don't know if it's a result of ugly offense or if it's a result from teams that are just scouted so well with great coaching. And it has great coaching. But Indiana is going to more likely than not finish in the bottom four of the Big Ten, which means they're going to play that first night where you have 11, versus 14 and 12 versus 13 to get into that next round, which still the top four teams are a couple of days away from even playing. But who's going to want to play Indiana? You know, who's going to want to play Penn State or Nebraska? These are three of the bottom four teams in the Big Ten that are

capable of beating anybody. Hell, Northwestern, who's dead last in the Big Ten right now, is capable of pulling an upset. They nearly beat Wisconsin. the other day. It's a good win for Maryland. Both results in the Big Ten, Ohio State just crushed Iowa last night after losing to Maryland over the weekend. Both are really good results for Maryland. Maryland's chances now to finish in the top four are pretty damn good. Now, a tie with Wisconsin, the tiebreaker would be head-to-head, they split, and then it's their record versus all of the teams above them. That's why a win over Michigan would be important for Maryland on Saturday. But anyway, the Terps have a game tonight at Penn State.

And Penn State's one of those teams in the Big Ten capable of beating anybody. Why are they capable of beating anybody? Well, number one, because it's already happened. All right, they've beaten Michigan. They beat Michigan at home two weeks ago. They've beaten Nebraska last week. It's a team that's won three of their last four. I've always felt that Chambers is a good coach.

you know, he's a little bit nuts, but they've got players. Lamar Stevens is a 6-8, 240-pound force, you know, as a forward. They've got a kid in Miles Dredd, who's a freshman who played at Gonzaga here locally last year, who's really come on recently. He's a big-time three-point shooter. He had a huge game in there upset against Michigan. He made five-threes. I think it was like five for seven from behind the arc, something like that.

He's been shooting the ball, exceptionally well. Yeah, Dredden and Bolton are both really good from behind the arc. Yeah, Bolton can really shoot it too. This is a good basketball team, and Maryland is only a one-and-a-half-point favorite. They had a difficult time with them the first time they played them at home. They pulled away late. Maryland did. They won by seven. You know, this is an obvious trap game. This is an obvious smell test pick. You know, I will more likely than not, happiness hedge the game tonight and bet Penn State. And then, you know, I would hate for Maryland to win by one. I'd take it, but I'd want them to either, no, I'd want them to win by one, excuse me, I'd want them to win by one. It just would be painful to root for it that way, because that's

really hard. But they're only a one and a half point favorite in the public's all over Maryland. Maryland's ranked 17th in the country. Most people have no idea that Penn State's playing well. This is the kind of game, the Terps lose, and have lost in recent years. This, this just looks like and feels like a loss tonight, doesn't it to you? I mean, it's, you know what it feels like? They're going to lose this game and then win against Michigan. Yeah, that's probably what's going to happen. Absolutely what it feels like to me. It'd be a very, if they are able to go in to state college tonight and win this game, it is an impressive win. Penn State's confident. They're playing well. It's set up for Maryland coming off, you know, a big win Sunday over Ohio

State at home, a winning streak that includes Purdue, Iowa. Maryland's won three in a row now, all right? They won two in a row. I'm sorry, they beat Iowa and Ohio State last week. So they've got some momentum. They've won four of their last five, I think it is, right? They lost to Michigan, but they beat Purdue and Nebraska before that. So it just, this would be a, it should be an impressive win, impressive win. I think it's a bad matchup tonight for Maryland. I think they lose the game. I would play Penn State plus the one and a half and not even think twice about it. I would. And yes, I bet against my favorite teams. I've done that many, many times. It's called the happiness hedge. If they win and I lose the bet, I'm fine with it. But if they lose the game and I'm

really distraught that they lost the game, I can take solace in the fact that, hey, I won money, though, betting against them. That's how that works. Crazy gambling. All right. nothing else today. I don't think there was anything else to do. The Cowboys stuff, a lot of you tweeted me about that, the Randy Gregory suspension indefinite for substance abuse, plus David Irving. I don't even think that Irving's going to be on the team. Yeah, those are big blows for the Cowboys, no doubt. Might change their offseason strategy as it relates to, here's what's definite. You know, DeMarcus Lawrence is playing for the Cowboys next year. You know, they're not going to lose their basically what you could argue to be their best pound-for-pound football player.

It's a good team. You know, the Cowboys defensively were really, really good, you know, at times at the end of last year. And Randy Gregory played well, but they've got some young talent. I mean, you take Lawrence and you take Crawford, you take Vanderec, you know, who basically is, we don't need Sean Lee as much anymore. They were so dependent on Sean Lee. Leighton Vandrech was phenomenal last year. They're going to have a chance in the draft to improve themselves. I would make Philadelphia the favorite in the NFC East today, but barely over the Cowboys.

I personally think the Giants are going to be very good next year, but I thought they were going to be good this year. What do I know? All right, have a great day, everybody. Tomorrow on the show, Tommy, maybe there will be some Bryce Harper news by tomorrow, but we'll have plenty to talk about, including for you Maryland fans, a recap of the Maryland Penn State game tonight.