The Kevin Sheehan Show - Cooley Film Breakdown-Offense

Episode Date: September 16, 2020

Cooley and Kevin today with the debut of "Cooley's Film Breakdown". Cooley does a complete breakdown and grades out Dwayne Haskins and the rest of the offensive players today. Before that, t...hey talked about Allen Robinson's potential interest in being traded from the Bears and whether or not the Skins should be interested. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Starting point is 00:01:20 The Kevin Sheehan Show. Here's Kevin. It is a film breakdown Wednesday. Cooley back on the job of handling the film break. breakdown and it's much better when it comes after a win, although I think some of the most entertaining shows, Cooley, to be fair, were when they were ugly losses and you would get to a certain player or two and you would just say, nope, I can't evaluate that player. Or you would pass on being super critical. But Cooley's film breakdown, as most of you who are listening know, was a feature
Starting point is 00:01:57 on the show he did with me, on a feature of the show that he did with Zabe and Galdi. And it became one of the real moments of the week during football season for Cooley to do his film breakdown of all of the players from the previous game, which is what we're going to start today. Now, let me just give everybody a heads up. We're going to do the offense today, and we will have the defense tomorrow. Starting next week, we'll have the offense on Tuesday and the defense on Wednesday, which was the normal schedule, but we're getting to it late this week. still figuring some shit out right now about how we're going to lay everything out during the course of the week. But Cooley is with me.
Starting point is 00:02:39 We're going to get to his film breakdown. We will start this show with just a quick, what do you got or two? And I do want to get your thoughts also on Alan Robinson, who may be available via trade. But what do you got this morning to start the show off before we get to film breakdown? Well, I think we got a lot this morning. I know you got some basketball stuff. I've been watching the Jets, and I think it's because Greg Williams is a part of the Jets, and I just follow former coaches wherever they are, obviously, the Rams,
Starting point is 00:03:11 and a lot of the guys that I've played for and have coached for my teams. And I'm watching this Jets team, and defensively, they can be really, really good. Greg's defenses can be outstanding, but offensively, they are absolutely shit. And, Kevin, do you think back to when Adam Gaze was the quarterback guru in Chicago with Jake Cutler, and then he went to Miami as the head coach, and he was supposed to save everything there, and now he's with Sam Darnold. And Sam Darnold is way better than he's played over the last year and a half. I think so, too.
Starting point is 00:03:48 Over the last year, for sure. I thought Sam Darnold looked terrible. I think Sam Darnold played with no confidence. And I just think it's so funny. my what he got isn't necessarily the idea that adam gays is going to get fired because adam gays is absolutely going to get fired i'd be hard-pressed unless they make a big push early in the season to think that he isn't the first head coach fired i think gays has created a lot of shit a lot of turmoil he's made bad relationships he's had fights he's not good with players
Starting point is 00:04:21 you look even a look at the levy on bell hamstring thing that went back to training camp Bill apparently had a hamstring in camp, and Gays wanted to pull him, and they had a fight there, and then he didn't pull him in the game. I don't know if he's immature. I don't know if he's antisocial. I don't know what it is about Adam Gaze. He must be able to talk ball, but he is not a good head football coach, and he is not a quarterback guru unless Sam Darnold's really that bad.
Starting point is 00:04:46 And buddy, I just don't see it. I think it's almost more like you heard it here first, but Adam Gaze is not going to be long in New York. You didn't have this as a head coaching call, but man, did you call Jim Tressman a day before he got fired as the Ravens offensive coordinator after Washington beat him a few years ago? That was an all-time prediction. Who's the O.C in New York again? I mean, I know Adam Gase is the offensive guy, but do they have an O.C.? Yeah, they do.
Starting point is 00:05:19 I should be able to tell you who the O.C. is right off hand. I actually, I like Darnel. I think Darnald's are good. I think a lot of people like Darnold. The O.C. is Dowell Loggins, who I actually think is a pretty good O.C. Okay. So I just think there's a lot of problems with Gage. And it doesn't matter if Dowell Loggins is the best O.C. in the world,
Starting point is 00:05:44 if there's any power struggle, it doesn't matter. Gave is going to win that. And I'm assuming because he's an offensive guy, that he is the O.C. Okay. By the way, Quillogins is 38 years. years old. Coolie's on phone, and we are going to have that, we believe, rectified by next week. We're going to have a much better sounding coolly. But yesterday, Monday, I think you sounded fine by phone. And Tommy's been doing it by phone, and we haven't had many issues with that. I've got a couple of, I've got one, what do you got? Actually, two of them. I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:06:15 Number one is this. Joe Banner, the former team president of the Philadelphia Eagles, who has been very critical of the skins over the years, was not a Dwayne Hask. guy at all, but he wasn't the only one. He tweeted something out yesterday that got a lot of attention, and I talked about it a lot on the radio show this morning. He tweeted out, Washington fans who are talking about how good their team is are going to look back and wish they had won quietly. That was Joe Banner, former Eagles team president, lecturing the Washington fan base a little bit. Now, on Sunday, he tweeted out after Washington beat his former team, by the end of the season, the Washington team will have proven that the Eagles yesterday lost to one of the worst teams in football. So he is not a Washington fan after week one. And Cooley, on the podcast yesterday, Tommy and I were talking about this.
Starting point is 00:07:18 And that is, there was a shitload of buzz coming off of their win over the Eagles Sunday. I'm talking about league-wide buzz. All of the shows on Monday leading into Monday night football, all of the buyer sell or power ranking segments, which I do too yesterday. A lot of buzz about Washington. And I think it's because it was such a dominant performance defensively. You may know this.
Starting point is 00:07:44 They had 31 pressures. I had the guy from Pro Football Focus on the radio show this morning. This guy Sam Monson, who I actually like a lot. And he said 31 pressures is, just unheard of. It's a number that's just outrageous. Washington had 26% of all of the quarterback pressures on Sunday, or through Sunday's games, so 14 games in the entire league. They had more than a quarter of the pressures on one team versus, you know, the other 27 teams that had played games. That's how dominant, you know, they were, you know, statistically,
Starting point is 00:08:20 analytically, et cetera. So I think that's why there was a lot of buzz. Now, about Joe Banner, he doesn't like the Washington team. He was the team president in Philadelphia. He thinks Snyder is a complete moron. He's among the many NFL executives over the years
Starting point is 00:08:36 that have been embarrassed by what's happened here. And all of that's justifiable. Owners don't want the situation to continue here the way it is. League executives, former league executives, want, you know, less of an embarrassment in Washington. And I think he has felt very strongly that until ownership changes, it won't change. So he's all in on this is a terrible organization. But he didn't go after the organization with the tweet.
Starting point is 00:09:04 He went after the fan base. When he tweeted Washington fans who are talking about how good their team is are going to look back and wish they had won quietly. I have no problem, Cooley, after a win over a division rival, which was a feel-good win. on Sunday with fans getting a little bit carried away. I have a problem when the team gets carried away. And I think this team has been a massive overpromising bunch of buffoons over the last 21 years that have consistently under-delivered. That's been the problem with the organization. I've mentioned it. It's been my go-to. They've over-promised and under-delivered year and year out. And that's why they don't have as many fans as they used to have. I don't have a problem with
Starting point is 00:09:50 fans on Sunday being excited about what they saw. I was encouraged because I thought Chase Young was a stud coming out. I thought he could be a major impact player. I thought he could increase their win probability if he were as elite as I thought he could be and as everybody else thought he could be. And I think we saw some of that revealed on Sunday. The problem with a guy like Joe Banner coming from that organization is there's been no more insufferable fan base than the Eagles fan base in the division anyway. There isn't a chestier group of football fans over the years. There isn't a more delusional group of football fans over the years than Eagle fans. Before they won the Super Bowl a few years ago, and God bless them because they did and they deserved it and they were
Starting point is 00:10:40 really good that year. And it was on some level, it was weird. I could sense the excitement of friends of mine who are Eagle fans and how it was a lifelong dream that had finally been realized. And I understood that passion and that sense of satisfaction. And I was happy for them. With that said, until that year, I mean, if you talk to Eagles fans in the 80s, 90s, 2000s, before they won a Super Bowl, and you didn't know anything about football, you would think that Philadelphia had been the team that had won all the Super Bowl. Bowls in the division because that's the way they behaved. We were winning divisions. We're going to the playoffs with Andy Reid and Donovan McNabb. Yeah, but you don't win anything. The last time you'd
Starting point is 00:11:26 won something was 1960. And that's what you kept referring to. Meantime, this team here in the nation's capital won three Lombardi trophies, the Cowboys have won five or whatever, and the Giants have won three or four or whatever it is. The Giants of won four. So in the division, you had 12 Super Bowl titles, 12 Lombardi trophies in lobbies of headquarters, and none of them were in Philadelphia. And yet, if you listen to a Philadelphia Eagle fan, they spoke in terms of being like the kings of the division. Like their team had been winning all those trophies. That's the problem I have with a guy like Joe Banner or any Philadelphia fan who says, hey, pipe down, you know, Skins fan. We were, We were banged up.
Starting point is 00:12:13 We're going to be much better than we were. And, you know, enough. I mean, no, we took enough of your bullshit delusional crap for decades. For decades. It was laughable. I used to, one of my favorite things to do around Super Bowl time, Cooley, was to say, you know, there's a big Super Bowl party among all of the NFC East Super Bowl winning fans and teams. The Giants and the Cowboys and the skins, we get.
Starting point is 00:12:41 together every year right around Super Bowl time, even if one of us isn't in the Super Bowl to have a big party. The Eagles, you know, the Eagle fans aren't invited because they never have won a Super Bowl, even though if you listen to them, you'd think they'd won seven of them. Thank God they got the one they got, because 1960 was all they had for 50 years, and it was embarrassing. Anyway, Joe Banner can say whatever he wants. I agree, it's been insufferable to listen to players and coaches and management and front office execs when there's just been a small glimmer of hope. They've been a very self-congratulatory kind of franchise prematurely year
Starting point is 00:13:25 and year out. I don't want to hear it from them. And I haven't heard it from them since the game. The fans are definitely, the Washington fans on Twitter and on social media since Sunday have been having a time of it. But so has the national media. The national media has really opened their eyes to what this team could be this year defensively, which, you know, I've had some expectations and I'm pretty encouraged too.
Starting point is 00:13:58 Anyway, that's my what do you got along with one other thing real quickly, coolly. Did you see that holding – Hold on. Before you leave – This conversation. Joe Banner. Hold on. You know, three days ago, he had another tweet.
Starting point is 00:14:10 that said the Eagles will run more now and look balanced, and people will forget how it started and how they actually got a 17-point lead. They weren't balanced. We both know that. But, I mean, that is a shot at his coaching staff right there. A little bit, yeah. The Eagles will run more now, and they'll look more balanced. You'll forget it.
Starting point is 00:14:30 Really? So he just called down to Doug Peterson's office and made that, hey, coach, we're going to run the ball more now. Well, he's not the team president anymore. He was. He isn't anymore. I know, but he's just making calls down to people. Like, how does he know the Eagles will run more now and look more balanced?
Starting point is 00:14:52 This loss really hurt him. I mean, losing to us? Like, I don't understand. Like, the Eagles will run more now. Are we sure? You know what, Jeff, the football team will convert more third downs, and they're going to look more balanced consistently. moving forward. I talk to people.
Starting point is 00:15:11 They're going to convert more third down. You're sure of it, right? Yeah. It's weird when you're not affiliated with the organization to start telling the organization what they're going to be doing next. I will concede that. He's butt hurt over losing
Starting point is 00:15:29 to this team. He doesn't like Washington. He doesn't like the owner. He's not a big fan of the quarterback. And obviously, you know, to get punked the way they did down 17 nothing, and then to have, you know, the fans on social media probably getting after him, it was probably enough for him, so he snapped back. We'll see if he's right. I mean, week one overreactions are a staple in the NFL in early September. I don't know how you could,
Starting point is 00:15:57 you know, really overreact much to 31 pressures and eight sacks, regardless of what Philadelphia had in front of him. The other quick what he got, Cooley, I don't know if you saw this, holding penalties and week one were down 78% from a year ago. Like I, you mentioned on Monday just the lack of penalties on offense that they just were clean offensively in terms of mistakes, which, you know, is an indication of being pretty well coached and the quarterback, you know, not, you know, having a delay a game or he didn't, he wasn't forced to call one time out because he was unsure of what they were running. And that was the same last year too.
Starting point is 00:16:35 But I did notice Sunday that there, The games were moving quickly. And I think part of the reasons the games moved quickly is there weren't as many penalties in week one. I hope that is a trend that continues. We've talked about at least the football team's game having much less penalties. Can you not do that anymore? Stop saying the football team. That was going to be one of my what do you got today?
Starting point is 00:17:02 I'm so sick of that. Did you see all the Twitter stuff that got messed up or half of it was Redskins? and half of it said just football team. I'm going to call them football team. That's their nickname, and I'm going to call them football team. No, don't do that. You're getting sucked in. It's stupid.
Starting point is 00:17:18 Call them Washington. Oh, I hate it. I hate it. It's a mocking of them. And I think they did the right thing by not coming up with a name right away. They couldn't sure, you know, trademark and domain name stuff. They couldn't get that done quickly. Most teams take two years before changing brand and name.
Starting point is 00:17:37 And now, and people are out like, you know, whatever. We've talked about this. No, you're right. I mean, it's okay. Football teams are a lot like. As far as I'm concerned, you can say skins. So to the entire NFL.
Starting point is 00:17:51 And it was funny because if you looked at last year, how they amended this, week one had at least 50% more hold. I'm sure we could go look that up. Even Tom Brady tweeted out after week one watching a game that it was egregious. Some of the holding penalties. Now, there were something they missed, in Washington's game, there were some holds on the old football team. Okay.
Starting point is 00:18:14 But they didn't call them. They didn't call them. So it makes football so much more watchable. I think you almost have to tackle somebody to really call holding. Let's not go crazy. I would love that. I would love if, I would love to see punt returns without a flag on two out of every three punt returns. 50% plus.
Starting point is 00:18:35 It's plus, don't you think? I don't know if it is or not. Seems like it. Anyway. Well, and there's some that are relevant. There's some that are not. You know, the Washington game, they had an illegal touch, if you remember,
Starting point is 00:18:53 where a ball was down inside the five and they ended up having a refund. Right. Ball was like a 27-yard penalty, but then the very next play, Philly had a penalty and backed them back up. So, yeah, the special teams, there's so many penalties.
Starting point is 00:19:06 Were we right, or were you right, right that there wasn't one offensive penalty of the seven called? I think I'm right. I don't, yeah, I don't remember one penalty. Two neutral zones, an ionitis off sides, two 15-yarders,
Starting point is 00:19:23 that's five on defense, the illegal touch is six, there was a seventh penalty somewhere, and I can't remember where it was. I mean, I could go through the play-by-play to identify it, but, you know, oh, another quick thing, Morgan Moses didn't have one of those false starts that didn't get called.
Starting point is 00:19:41 I didn't notice one anyway. I didn't notice anyone. There wasn't a lot of noise, so it should have been okay there. True. True. All right, let's get to your film breakdown. I need to do a spot real quickly, and I want to ask you about Alan Robinson,
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Starting point is 00:22:05 Number one, Ryan Carrigan was the defensive player of the week in the NFL. First time for him, Cooley. I was surprised by that. I would have thought that Carrigan would have at some point during his career gotten the NFL defensive player of the week, but he was named NFL defensive player of the week today. Two sacks, just 22 snaps he played in, but obviously pretty effective was Ryan Carrigan.
Starting point is 00:22:28 The Clippers lost last night, and I just wanted to say that it was one of the worst losses for a team in a game seven that I've seen in a long time. They looked lifeless. They looked disinterested. They looked scared. They looked tight. My favorite player, Kauai Leonard,
Starting point is 00:22:44 who has come through in every single clutch situation he's ever been involved in, was non-existent in the second half. Paul George was even worse. The two of them combined for five points on two of 18 shooting in the second half. And Denver, Cooley, is really a good team. They deserve it. They earned it. Jamal Murray's ridiculous.
Starting point is 00:23:06 And Yokic is the best passing big man I've ever watched, period. Jeff Van Gundy said it last night. Doc Rivers said it last week. Speaking of Doc Rivers, I think last night's loss is an indictment on him. He has lost a lot of game sevens as a head coach during his career. I was very disappointed in the Clippers. I also bet on them to win the NBA championship before the playoffs started a plus 250. So I'm extra hurt.
Starting point is 00:23:31 But I really, they had no enter. It didn't make any sense watching what I watched last night. I think something's off there and I think we're going to read about it here in the next few days. When I say that, I think there were some chemistry issues. There was a report from Mark Spears saying the players were drained physically. They were exhausted and they were asking to come out after three minutes stints. It looked that way. I'm not sure why that happened.
Starting point is 00:23:57 But they blew a 16-point leading game 5 up 3-1, a 19-point leading game 6. six up three games to two. And last night, they were up 12 in the first half and then completely shit the bed. Cooley, last night in the fourth quarter, in a game that they started down eight in the fourth quarter, they didn't score their first field goal. They had two free throws. They didn't make their first shot until there were four minutes and 58 seconds left. They went over seven minutes before scoring from the field for the first time. And they're out. And the Clippers Lakers series, which a lot of people, yours truly included, wanted to see. We're not going to be able to see. Last thing before your film breakdown, Alan Robinson, would you or wouldn't you,
Starting point is 00:24:44 if I told you it had to be a third round pick, and then he's a free agent next year, you've got to pay him. Would you consider him for this team? Absolutely, yes. I would consider him. I would consider working out a deal with Alan Robinson as soon as I could. If I were Alan Robinson, I don't know if this is exactly where I would want to be at this point. I'm sure part of his frustration has to do with Mitchell Tribesky, but I think two years ago we were doing free agent film breakdowns or three years ago, and we did Alan Robinson. He was coming off his ACL surgery, which I think he's fully recovered from. He had a year at that point. And I said, he's the best number one receiver that you could possibly get at a discount because he's coming off a severe injury.
Starting point is 00:25:38 I think Alan Robinson is in every level receiver. I think he's a guy that is a terrific route runner. I think he's a guy that can constantly make plays for you. I think people are worried about his speed. And that's the one thing, if you're Washington, as you're saying, is Alan Robinson a true X, a true one receiver, or is he another Terry McClellan? But in watching the Washington game, Dantra Linnman ain't Alan Robinson, and you need weapons right now. So, yeah, I would, a third for Alan Robinson and the chance to negotiate, I think, yes, I would go ahead and do that. You know what's interesting is they went after a receiver big time in the offseason. They offered Amari Cooper a massive deal.
Starting point is 00:26:28 They thought they needed somebody else in addition to McLaurin. Kelvin Harmon, I don't know how he fit into their plans after they didn't get Cooper. I don't know if that was a big blow or not. I sort of liked Harmon at the end of last year. But they showed a willingness to pay a wide receiver. They felt like it was a big enough need. There's another part to me that says that they will be interested in Robinson, but it may take another win.
Starting point is 00:26:57 If they were to win at Arizona and they were 2 and O, and let's just say in the division on Sunday, the Giants lost at Chicago, the Cowboys lost at home to the Falcons and the Eagles lost against the Rams. And the skins were 2 and O and the rest of the division was 0 and 2. I think there might be an increased sense of urgency to treat this season as a big opportunity. And they clearly think that that position is a weakness.
Starting point is 00:27:31 And that maybe if they beat Arizona, or Chicago won in week one also, and they came back from 23-6 down. By the way, Matt Patricia Cooley, just as a quick aside, has 11 fourth quarter lost leads in his brief coaching career in Detroit. That's incredible. That's incredible. That's really hard to do in a short period of time. This is year three for Matt Patricia, right?
Starting point is 00:27:54 It's only year three. Yeah, three. Yeah. So part of me thinks... It should have been a fourth quarter comeback that they executed in Detroit. Yeah, there was because DeAndre Swift dropped the touchdown pass. I think that they might be interested after another win this week. Now, someone would say, well, they were interested in Cooper before. Okay, that's true.
Starting point is 00:28:20 And my answer at the time, and I forget if you and I had this conversation, was Ron Rivera took this job. for one reason more than any other. He looked at the defensive roster, and he said, I can turn that thing around pretty quickly. Now, what he's done publicly is he's talked about culture change, which there has to be one, and it takes time, and the military process takes three, four, five years before you change the culture.
Starting point is 00:28:46 And by the way, that's Ron Rivera's approach, which is under-promising, which I love about him already. But I think he believes, when he looked at this roster, very closely in late November, early December, whenever it was, that he could turn around the defense quickly enough and that if offensively they could add another piece to help out Dwayne, that they'd actually be a much more competitive team than anybody was expecting this year. So it wouldn't surprise me if it's this week, but if they win again and they start to look here early in the season like this could be a season, like we could go have ourselves a season,
Starting point is 00:29:24 then why wouldn't you if he's that good and he's going to. to help you that much. So I tend to agree with you. You know I love Anthony Miller on that team. And he's starting to play well. Like when he's been healthy, he's played well. But he's not available. He's not going to be a free agent next year. Alan Robinson's going to be a free agent next year, which, you know, and it may be time for Chicago to deal him. Chicago did win a game in week one. But anyway, I'm rambling here. Alan Robinson is fun. I understand where you're coming from. I think that Chicago is probably working on a deal for Alan Robinson. It's just probably nowhere near what he wants.
Starting point is 00:30:02 And that's the other question is, are we going to be able to work out a deal? I think the receiver franchise tagged around $18 million. So if you didn't work out of deal, would you tag him? If you tagged him, would have been upset? I think that there's so much that goes into this that you don't want a Trent Lane situation. The one thing, if you look on Twitter
Starting point is 00:30:22 and you look at a lot of the Bears players, they, it's a hashtag, extend A.R. Extend A. Rob. Extend A. Rob. When players do this, it's because the other player
Starting point is 00:30:33 that they're talking about is a good teammate. Right. So I got to assume that not only is Alan Robinson a good player, because all the players liking, he's a good teammate as well.
Starting point is 00:30:44 I think a lot of Alan Robinson. So I would definitely try to trade for Alan Robinson. It's just, If you're Chicago, why would you give Alan Robinson up for a third round pick? You have a good defense. You need weapons to surround your quarterback. And you're sitting there saying, franchise tagging next year if we can't get a deal done.
Starting point is 00:31:05 Why would they want to trade him? Yeah, I don't know. They probably wouldn't. Because he's unhappy? Who else? I mean, they've got Anthony Miller. Who else do they have on that team? I mean, you know, we know what they have in the backfield with Tark Cohen and the guy from Iowa State,
Starting point is 00:31:17 whose name is escaping me, the draft choice from last year? I think they picked it. Montgomery. Oh, David Montgomery. Yeah. And I think they picked up Jimmy Graham. Yeah, they do have Jimmy Graham. And they drafted that Cole Commet, didn't they?
Starting point is 00:31:32 Wasn't that the Bears that drafted the Notre Dame tight end? Oh, yeah. I think Cole Comett is actually awesome. Anyway. So, yeah. But then after that, you don't have any other receivers. Riley Ridley is a guy they drafted. Darnell Mooney, Corderole Patterson.
Starting point is 00:31:50 I mean, it doesn't do the bears any favors right now to trade Alan Robinson. No, unless you don't think you can sign him next year and you don't think you're good this year, but you just won a game. You don't do it before you're – I mean, you don't do it until you're not going to make the playoffs. I agree with you on that from their perspective. You said something else real quickly, and we're going to get to the film breakdown. It will start literally in 30 seconds. You just said, you know, is Alan Robinson, you know, Terry McLauran? or is he a real legit number one?
Starting point is 00:32:22 You still don't think Terry McClorn's like an obvious legit number one receiver, do you? Well, we'll get to that in the film breakdown, I guess is what we'll do. I think he could develop into one. Okay. I do. I do think he could develop into one.
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Starting point is 00:34:16 We've always had this debate, Kev, on the grading scale, and we're not going to have it anymore. We had it because I was calling games for the Red Pians, is who I was calling games for. Now I'm not calling games for the Washington football team. You always wanted it on an A through F high school grading scale. I think a lot of football teams, their scouting departments, do it on a 1 through 5, which essentially is the exact same thing. 1 through 5, A through F. So we'll just do it on an A through F scale.
Starting point is 00:34:44 I like the A through F. I think that's the easiest thing to follow. That was always my pitch to you, but I was always open minded on whatever you wanted to do. It was when we got into the numbering thing where you would do like, you know, you'd say 68 isn't, you know, an actual D. It can be more like a C or that stuff started to get. That started when you had a curve in there, that really threw me for a loop. So I like the A through F grading scale. So let's get started.
Starting point is 00:35:14 Dwayne. Well, the question is, should there be a curve for Philly? No, I'm just kidding. All right, so here's what I wanted to do with Dwayne Haskins is I want to do the negatives first, and I'm progressively going to walk you through the game with some of the negative plays. Because you do like to follow along and everyone does, I'll try to give you situationally the plays that I'm talking about and some of the things that I'm talking about when they are impactful. Then we'll get to the positives, and then we will get to the positives, and then we will get. get to the grade. The rest of the players will just essentially run through notes and then the grade for the rest of the players. I think Dwayne Haskins is really interesting. And I think
Starting point is 00:35:56 this game is really interesting. And I think a lot of people could see this in a lot of different ways. But I want to start with this. I thought Dwayne was terrible in third down situations, especially in the first half. And I thought personally Scott Turner did a poor job getting them into good situations in third and seven plus situations. I didn't like a lot of the concepts. I didn't like what they were doing versus versus an Eagles defense. You pretty much knew what they were going to do in third down situations. And so some of those plays, I didn't think that there were great options for Duane to progress
Starting point is 00:36:28 or read through. A couple thoughts in the run game. I like the speed option stuff. I like the RPO stuff. I like the read option. I like integrating and mixing those things in. I didn't think Duane did a terrific job with some of these. I think early in the game, there was an RPO-type boot,
Starting point is 00:36:53 and the defensive end crashed down. I think that he could have pulled it. It was a third and two early in the game, and he's pulling it to what is going to be a boot, almost with McKissick coming out in front of him. I saw this last year, this type of play as an RPO boot type of play, watching Notre Dame play Louisville. Louisville started running last year in the opener, and I loved it.
Starting point is 00:37:22 That gun boot, you can hand it or you can pull it, and then the back coming across is running out of the flat. I thought it was a fun little play. He ended up giving it to Barber. They didn't get the first. I just didn't think he had a numbers count to run the ball. So that I think he can look at. I think the first speed option, he ends up pitching out to him to McKittick.
Starting point is 00:37:46 There was a bauble. There are three players outside of Duane if he was moving to his left. That's got to be a quarterback pole. And the thing I hate about speed option is in the NFL, instead of protecting the ball, he's essentially protecting himself. And I don't blame him for that. Right. But it's like, fuck the speed option in the NFL.
Starting point is 00:38:10 It's our quarterback. Then it needs to be running speed option. Right. It should have been a pull. He should have pulled it. He should have pulled it, and he should have cut it back, and he should have taken it up field. And any high school quarterback in America that runs option would have pulled that and would have taken it up the field. And most college quarterbacks would have as well.
Starting point is 00:38:27 Duane's not an option quarterback. So don't run an option. They had it in there, but explained to everybody, because I'm sure most of you understand. the difference from just a typical read option zone read that the quarterback keeps off of a fake handoff versus what you're describing, which is coming down the line and having the option to pitch. Go ahead and just explain the difference to everybody. Well, it ends up being a two-back back field. And so for Duane, he's got a back on his left and the back on his right. And you can do this with the receiver. You see these receivers in motion
Starting point is 00:39:01 and then wrap the quarterback behind in that behind the quarterback motion all the time. They did that last year. Washington did. And so he's initially going to key the defensive end on the front side or what would be on the backside of the initial run to the side he's going to run and pull to.
Starting point is 00:39:21 Does that defensive end crash down the line of scrimmage and run down the line to chase the back? If he does, then Duane's going to pull that ball and then he's going to go and option the next player. on the particular play as Duane got out there, there were really three players outside of them. There was nothing to pitch. Right. So you just add another back into the element.
Starting point is 00:39:42 It's really, if you really think about it, it's old-school dive option. It's not speed option. It's dive option that Boxelder High School in Utah ran or every high school that Georgia Tech ran. Make the first back to fullback, and you can do it under center. Do you give the first back or do you pull and run the option? Just watching the end crash. Same concept. He didn't look comfortable in that either.
Starting point is 00:40:10 He didn't look comfortable running the ball in particular. I don't think he looked comfortable running the zone read that he pulled down on the goal line. He didn't look slow, but he didn't look comfortable in space. He definitely didn't look comfortable on that naked, which was the third and two. It got him to a fourth down that they went for. you're like just run to the pylon. Why are we cutting this one back? We didn't cut back option early.
Starting point is 00:40:34 Now you want to cut back and take a shot. So I didn't think he looked comfortable running the ball. All that said, just the idea of adding the quarterback as an 11th player in the run game, even in certain situations, does give you some advantages to how you hold the safety and what you're doing to their defensive line and how they're playing run. So a lot of these things I'm saying, I don't think he looks particularly great in it, but you have to honor it. Yeah, because the past game.
Starting point is 00:41:02 Because you see, well, you see non-mobile quarterbacks, and we've seen that over several years, including guys like Ben Rathusberger, at least show it every once in a while, so the team thinks there's a possibility of it happening. Yeah. I mean, three-yard game is a good gain in the NFL. If you can get three or four in a lot of situations,
Starting point is 00:41:24 and you do it two or three times a game, then it absolutely has to be honored. Okay, the past game. And this is essentially, these are the negatives, in my opinion as I progressed through the past game. The first third down, the West Martin meme play. He takes a huge shot on that play. He still gets the ball out.
Starting point is 00:41:51 I've looked at it over and over, and I'm not going to leave West Martin from fault on this play. But I think you might want to just go ahead and try to avoid because you can't throw it until the timing of the play has actually been created. you're just throwing that one out there willy-nilly before your receiver even gets close to turned around that timing takes forever to develop to be able to trust the receiver. I like that he's throwing with anticipation, but I think it's more anticipation of getting hit than it is anticipation of his receiver turning around. I like that he's not taking sacks as well, but at the same time, you're not converting
Starting point is 00:42:26 the third down. So I think your best option there is try to sidesteper avoid when you have immediate pressure on third and long. It's not a huge negative by Dwayne Haskins. It's more of a negative by Westmark. And I didn't love the play call. But that said, do you want to get hit in the face by Malik Jackson or maybe just try to avoid him?
Starting point is 00:42:46 Let's take one on the chin, coach. I'll show you. Next drive, you missed McKittick on a kind of a wheel out of the backfield. It was a four-verte. It was a cool play. They had the tight end to the right and then just McKittick out of the backfield. And they were running two birds on that side. There's no touch on the ball.
Starting point is 00:43:06 No touch on that one. Running back, running a wheel out of the back field. And it's the right throw because the linebacker runs underneath the tight end, which should allow McKissick enough room to get downfield. And it did. You just have to let him run under that ball. You got to think, like, that guy's wheeling, turning his body out of the backfield. He can't just go catch a bullet at his head.
Starting point is 00:43:30 The running back. Rivera said that, Cooley. You mentioned that on Monday. Rivera, one of his criticisms of Dwayne, he's got to throw some of those balls with more touch. And it's those flat throws to the running backs where you see it the most. I think you see it across the board. Okay. I do. And I'll get to the very next comment is that he throws that inside theme to Inman on a second and pen on the third drive. it's an overthrow. The ball is, it's a bad ball. I mean, if you're throwing a ball on a rope 20 yards down the field,
Starting point is 00:44:08 you've got to let Inman run under that. That's the right read, and that's a throw that he's capable of making, but that's not the way you throw that ball. You've got to let Inman track that all the way to the sideline. This inside theme route that you see everybody throwing now has essentially replaced the corner route in a lot of offenses because it's an easier throw than the corner route. Duane's got a one safety, one high safety in the middle of the field,
Starting point is 00:44:38 and he's got Inman basically one-on-one from the numbers to the sideline, really almost from the middle of the hash to the sideline. They let him go run under a ball, or at least make it a 50-50 ball where you're throwing it on the opposite side of Inman, and he's really the only guy that can jump and get it. It's just no touch. Third and ten, the next play on that drive, he lets it go to McKissick way too fast.
Starting point is 00:45:07 It's literally a Nolan Ryan fastball. The route doesn't develop. He had time in the pocket. He's got to climb and let these routes develop. He's got to be able to climb and move. He can't just hit his back foot, open his hips, and fling it. Not on third and ten. To a running back.
Starting point is 00:45:23 Can I just go back to the inman play one more? time because I'm just looking at it and I just got to it. I just want to be clear on that. That is the right read, correct? No, that's the absolute right read. Because Inman's got man coverage and he's actually got a step on the guy and you just, there is some traffic. There is, you know, the pocket is starting to collapse up the middle on that throw.
Starting point is 00:45:54 but that's the perfect example of the non-flat throw that he's got to be able to throw with more touch. There's no doubt. The other thing if you add more touch is you actually increase the chance of BPI because the ball he threw, no one had a chance to make a play. It's an uncatchable ball. Yeah, right. This was early in the game before he got into any rhythm, but go ahead.
Starting point is 00:46:18 Yeah, early in the game. Absolutely. Third drive. and then they go three and out on that drive. Right. He throws a near pick to Logan Thomas on a crossing route on the fifth drive, I think. Fourth or fifth. You know, it's fourth drive as a third and two.
Starting point is 00:46:38 That's just a mesh concept. I think they mess up the mesh. And when I mean mesh, it's Terry McLaurin running across her at three or four yards, and then it's Logan Thomas running acrosser, and they create a mesh. free pick kind of deal. I think Thomas should have been on top. It's always the tight-in. The guy that sets the pick.
Starting point is 00:47:00 I couldn't tell you 100%, but I can tell you 98%. But Thomas went under and messed it up. But that said, DeWing just panics and he just throws it hard at Thomas, and it's almost an interception. If you didn't throw it so hard, it would have been a pick.
Starting point is 00:47:12 He's got to continue to progress through and find another option. One-on-one on the outside to his left there. You could have ran in man coverage, but you can't just throw that ball because you don't have anything else. Right. You've got to find something. You've got to make something else happen. Third down.
Starting point is 00:47:32 This isn't a first and ten, a second and six, where we got another down to live on. You can't make that throw. Progressing through a third and eight on the fifth drive. So they're still down. They still have not scored at this point. it's 10-0 right at that point yeah third and eight inman runs a about a 16 to 18 yard in and you have Logan Thomas sitting at about eight yards
Starting point is 00:48:09 and you're judging a high low read between the two of them first of all I think you would have been complete to Logan Thomas if he'd come out on time to Thomas and you would have picked up the first down but secondly, it's late to Inman and it's a bad ball low and he has no chance to get it. Again, we've got to throw competitive balls here. And at this point, he's in progress to 3 and 13. Right. It was 3 for 13, 32 yards.
Starting point is 00:48:41 He had the one run for 19 yards, which you haven't talked about. I'm sure that'll be a positive, but go ahead. Yeah. Well, okay, so, yeah, we'll get to that. The one run for 19, it was 19? Yeah, it was 19 yards. Should have just thrown Sims. Sims is running wide open in front of his face.
Starting point is 00:49:07 Five-yard in. I'm not going to criticize the run. I gave him a positive grade. That's why I didn't get to it because I could put it in the positive side, but he should have just thrown it to Sim. I don't know how I can see it. Then the third and 13, I just like to see him climb the pocket. You know, another one where West Martin gets his ass kicked, but it's like step up, climb the pocket, drive the ball, throw the ball with power, throw the ball with accuracy.
Starting point is 00:49:36 Because he's not moving properly in the pocket, stepping up, climbing the pocket, driving off his back foot, creating space for him to throw the ball, for him to actually use and drive off his back leg, he's throwing with poor accuracy. Down the field is not very good. and he can make those throws. But between 9 and 18 yards, 9 and 20 yards, it was not good. That 3rd and 13, though, I mean, I'm watching it right now, and he gets hit right when he throws it. There's pressure immediately. Where should he have gone on that play?
Starting point is 00:50:15 I don't disagree. He should have gone elsewhere. I just think he's kind of moved slide. I will also say that that's the, that was the Inman, right? that was to Thomas. He throws it in the dirt to Thomas under pressure on the third and 13. Right, right, right. That's the third and third team. No, I just think that he's got to find a way to move in the pocket a little bit better.
Starting point is 00:50:38 I mean, I know you're not taking sacks, but on third and 13, does it really matter if you take a sack versus just throw a blanket in completion out of nowhere? Right. You're going to put it either way. Just try to make something happen. Yeah, it just looked like on that one there was no pocket to move up into. I think if he slides right on that one, up and up and right a little bit, he may have had a chance. Look, you're just going to have to find a way to manipulate the pocket a little bit better.
Starting point is 00:51:03 He's capable of doing it, and I've watched him do it. Last year, I watched him do a bunch of times. Sure. Fourth quarter, you open up. I actually thought he was going to open a pot in the fourth quarter, as he completed four in a row, but he were on a run-action pass, boot, and he throws behind Terry McClure on a crossing route.
Starting point is 00:51:24 Terry's wide open right there. you gotta make that throw. Sack Fumble, he's got Sims coming out of a kind of a little arrow route. It's like selling a seam and then breaking back to the middle of the field. It was one Santana. He's always catching third down situation. I know he's going to take a big hit, and he ends up taking a hit anyway. But he's standing there jacking that ball,
Starting point is 00:51:48 and it's just got to come out on one hitch, or it's got to come out on a plan throw. Had him. Got him. The next drive at second and ten, he takes a sack on an RPO, So, Brandon Sheriff did get blown up. That was crap. But still, it's either Eman or it's Duane. If Enman's supposed to be running a three-step slant on the second 10 RPO that Dwayne gets back,
Starting point is 00:52:07 then I can see why Dwayne sitting there waiting on him. If it was five steps, he's got a window, he's got a throwing lane. Even still, I think that ball's got to be out. You just can't pull it down on RPO because even if you don't get sacked, your linemen are downfield. Right. Yeah, that's the thing Throw in the dirt
Starting point is 00:52:28 Like that's the one you throw in the dirt If you don't trust it, throw in the dirt Because there'll be people down field You have to survive a bad play Mm-hmm There's either people down field Or we're going to take a big hit Because on the backside of that
Starting point is 00:52:40 Sheriff's really just blocking the backside of run Really that they just call that big on the back side And they just make sure that they cut off the backside If they were going to run They don't know if he's pulled it or giving it on the backside Got it. I don't like that to get knocked into the backfield but still like that bomb, you can't take a sack,
Starting point is 00:52:57 and you can't take it only a line in the down field. If you don't like it, throw in the dirt, it's almost like when I say this a lot, when quarterback's run a boot, and there's someone right in their face, throw bounce back. Survive a bad play. Can't be in third and 15 situations. There's a third and three just into the fourth quarter.
Starting point is 00:53:19 Yeah, I got it. He throws to McKissick on a little anger out of the backfield. I'm looking at it. I'm looking at all right in the case. I mean, maybe, maybe you hit him right in the gut, and he rolls forward for a, yard. But as that next backer inside of McKissick, so maybe over the tackler guard, does not run with Sims who's crossing, you just progress the Sims. Now that said, I think Sims should have
Starting point is 00:53:43 sat down and stopped his route. He keeps running, so he would have fucked Duane anyways. Sometimes they coach guys to stay on the move, but I doubt this was coach to stay on the move. In zone coverage, Sims should sit and find a hole there. So I'm not going to credit Duane, if you threw a ball, I think you shouldn't have thrown. If you'd have looked at Sims and went, what the hell are you doing? And then taking a sack out. I just said Sims messed that play out. Yeah, because you can see it's clearly zone coverage.
Starting point is 00:54:11 This is a big play, by the way. Early fourth quarter down 17, 14, 13, 3rd, and 3 at the Eagle 21-yard line. And it's the one where he throws to McKissick, and McKissick's got two people around him. And he's, even if he makes the catch, he's short. And Sims is on that crosser. And Cooley, like you said, like you always hear against zone coverage, you've got to sit down in the hole of the zone. If Dwayne hits Sims, he turns around and he picks up another five, the chains are moved.
Starting point is 00:54:38 Exactly what it is. But Sims doesn't, but that didn't impact that play at all in the way it played out. I also think when you're coaching the running back in those situations, you coach that route to be run with more width and more depth. He should really be selling like he's pushing more vertical out of the backfield with width and get another yard of depth. As a back, you can't run that at the line of scrimmage because you're not going to get yards and you're also not going to push off coverage.
Starting point is 00:55:02 And that's not an option. That's not an option route from McKissick? No, I think that's just a little angle route that's following the crossing route. Got it. It could be. I'm not saying it's not for sure. This doesn't look like he ever was thinking about making a choice. An option route in his own coverage right there, he would have sat down at about four yards. Just turned, just ran and sat down about four.
Starting point is 00:55:24 If he did it right. If there was an option, he did it wrong. Right. A couple more and then we'll move on. there is a boot throw that he air meld to Logan Thomas. Logan Thomas is running a corner post off of a boot, so it's a double move off the boot. I actually like the play design,
Starting point is 00:55:43 and I think Logan Thomas is open. Duane has plenty of time, and he throws it like a rope over Logan's head. Should have been a pick. If 23s back there playing quarterback guys at all or the ball and not the player, he's going to pick that ball. but for that play, if you pull that up,
Starting point is 00:56:04 Duane's just got to flatten him out. Don't throw it high into the end zone. Flatten him out to about the 10-yard line, let him flatten that post and run it almost like a crosser instead of to the post, and he'll go down and make a catch. Those are the plays he needs to see more of. He needs to be able to see where he can make plays on these types of plays.
Starting point is 00:56:27 I doubt he's ever thrown that in a game. It's a horrendous throw, though. So when I looked at all of this, on passes beyond the line of scrimmage, he was actually 11 of 25. I mean passes beyond the line of scrimmage, not swings to the back or screens. 44% throwing the ball down the field. And if you really start to take out a couple of easy throws, like a quick spot route to Terry. On throws that were contested or there was any coverage or any pressure, he was like 20. percent. Okay. So let's get to the positive.
Starting point is 00:57:18 I mean, this, by the way, I'm riveted because I was very more than anything else. I was really interested what you were going to say about Duane. And 17 of 31 for 178, I was like, yeah, but he had the big plays. We talked about that Monday. So I know we're going to get to that now. but the fact that 11 out of 25 on throws beyond the line of scrimmage that didn't include some of those swing passes, which, by the way, were uncomfortable. You mentioned it before. They weren't thrown with a lot of touch. He's really got to work on that.
Starting point is 00:57:51 I thought I had to work on that coming out of Ohio State. Yeah, they could have been incomplete some of those swing passes into the flat. All right, go ahead. What are the positives with Twain? All right, as we progress throughout the game again, and kind of re-rack this. The second drive, the first play of the second drive, their opener, they go with a boot,
Starting point is 00:58:13 and he hits Terry McClorn for about 17. Terry does a good job sitting down in an open spot, and Duane puts her right on it. It's a good throw. And when you see this, it's almost like when you're playing golf and you finally hit a good drive, and you're like, I know I can hit a good drive.
Starting point is 00:58:30 I have a good swing, but I'm doing something wrong because I'm not hitting good driving. It's the perfect analogy. I can do this. See? I just did it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:58:45 We stole a lot of chips too. Yeah. A lot of those. There's another run-action pass quickly. He ends up throwing a ball away. That I like. The immediate decision, throw a ball away, get it out of your hands. There's nothing there.
Starting point is 00:59:00 I like that. The third and sixth cramble we talked about, It's a great job taking off and knowing that he's taking off. And also, I think, understanding the concept on that side that had two ends. So they were breaking to the middle of the field, and man coverage pulled the defenders to the middle of the field. But pull up the third and six and tell me that Stevenson, Jr. isn't wide open in the middle of the field. Hold on. I've got to find that one.
Starting point is 00:59:25 And tell me that's not the number one premier read. And then for me, it's like, I ask myself, is this the sophomore quarterback who's basically saying, okay, I know I got man-to-man coverage here. We've talked about this. If I have man with two ends, and I end up getting the left edge, like I'll get the first down.
Starting point is 00:59:45 So instead of seeing if somebody wins, he just thought he was going to run immediately. Do you have a problem? Like, you tell me he can't see Sims there. I just don't understand that. Do you have a problem with him when you know you've got, a 15 to 20-yard play in you without any contact and any risk. Do you have a problem with him
Starting point is 01:00:08 turning down? I'm watching it right now. I see Sims, but I also see the complete left side of the field open up with no defenders looking, and it's going to be ultimately a much bigger play than if he throws to Sims. That's debatable. It is? You're telling me that Sims can't make a play? Sims got a lot more speed. Sims has got two steps on a defender, and it's man-to-man coverage. So the next player that's going to come back on Stacy. He might get shoe strong right there. I don't have a problem with the run. Sims is going to catch the ball three yards beyond the line of scrimmage.
Starting point is 01:00:45 So can he catch it and then make another 15, 16 yards to equal? By the way, Dwayne's run could have been longer, too. He stumbled at the end of the run. I mean, he basically tripped himself. He could have picked up another five, six yards and gotten out of bounds. You know, they were looking for something at that point. They didn't, I think they had the one first down on the throat of McLorn on that, you know, on that bootleg thing where he threw back to McLaren that you've talked about.
Starting point is 01:01:15 And they're down 10-0 and now they got to, you know, they've got to create something. I guess all I'm suggesting is. By the way, that was a third down too. You've got to move the chains. I'm totally with you. And, again, I'm not going to criticize the fact that we got a nice. year run, and a quarterback who clearly understood what he wanted to do at the ball there. I'm just suggesting how do we not see, the idea of why do we not see Steven Sims?
Starting point is 01:01:45 That's like Dr. Seuss-in-Sim that's saying. I don't know. Tell me your quarterback, you're not going to throw that ball. I'll defer to you. Take out of the equation that there were success on the play. Just look at, pause it, and tell me that that that's, that ball isn't an easy throw. I'm not saying it's an easy throw, but I'm not guaranteeing any, in watching this play
Starting point is 01:02:16 and seeing Sims come underneath, if you get it to him right away, you do have other activity on that side of the field, and you have none on a third and six, and it's an absolute lock that Dwayne's going to get the first down and a lot more. And I think when he noticed man coverage and knew what he had going on the other side of the field, he knew it was going to open up. Well, if you give me that answer as a player, I'm going to tell you great job. And I'm going to say that Dwayne made a good play.
Starting point is 01:02:47 He probably made the right play. I'm just interested. It wasn't like there was nobody open. Let's put it that way. Right. Okay. He really did. The sideline tripped him up pretty good.
Starting point is 01:02:59 Yeah. He tripped him up pretty good. That happens to everybody. Yeah. Not that bad, but. Okay, so we get into the AF moment, and after Fabian moment. It's slant to Terry McLaurin on the right side of the field. It's an easy throw.
Starting point is 01:03:19 Terry's wide open. It's fine. It's good throw. Terry does a good job breaking the tackle. A slant to Inman that I thought was a throw that was a big-time throw, thread the needle on the slant route. That's a good throw. A quick out to Terry, again, easy throw, and a corner route to Logan Thomas when the Eagles
Starting point is 01:03:36 blue coverage is an easy throw. I mean, he made four throws. four for four. He did what he was supposed to do on that drive. I don't know what to tell you about that. Like one really good throw to Inman, another than that, he made three throws to pretty much uncontested receivers. Tell me, the touchdown throw, though, did you like the design of the play?
Starting point is 01:03:59 And I thought that's one of those... I like the pre-stem motion in what they did. Yeah, I did like that redstone play. Yeah. But it should not have been. Like, Logan Thomas should have been contested. If he's not contested, then McKissick's wide open, right? No, McIssick was covered down in the flat. 50 sits there. I don't know what he's doing. I think it's 50.
Starting point is 01:04:23 It's the first backer inside of Logan Thomas. Can I just say, I've got one quick question about this throw. I said on Monday, I love his quick release. And I know that this is not, this is an easy throw. But God, it's such a perfect example of how quickly the ball gets out. out of his hands. It is such a quick, you know, flick of a throw, and it was accurate to a wide open receiver on a well-designed play for a touchdown. But even though he's backpedaling, that thing is just out quickly and with velocity. Yeah, I'd like the throw. I think I can make that throw,
Starting point is 01:05:03 but... All right, keep going. You could... I think, you know what, I think you and I could go out there and you could throw that to me. I could, not with 97 and the others coming down on me. I'm probably, I'm looking at this throat. It's just a, it's, there's clearly. Don't get me wrong on any of these.
Starting point is 01:05:25 Throws he should make. I'm not going to doubt. I'm happy that he made the throws to me. I'm also aware that Duane can make some big time throws. I'm aware of that as well. And we'll talk about them when they actually happen. but I don't think that drive had much to talk about as far as quarterback's play. Right, okay.
Starting point is 01:05:44 It was a slant play, a slant play, a quick out. Well, you like to throw to in. You like to throw it in. It was four plays in a row that went into day one install. So, yeah, I did. Okay. Keep going. Second half.
Starting point is 01:05:57 We're still on Dwayne here to start the film breakdown. We're still on Dwayne. We are almost finished with Dwayne Haskins, and then all of it will be seamless and fly after that. Okay. It gets the completion to Sims, which takes them down to about, at two-yard line. It's a touchdown if he throws it outside to Inman or across the field of Logan Thomas.
Starting point is 01:06:18 It's actually the wrong read. The Eagles are running what is called a cover two invert. So both their cornerbacks are dropping back and playing the deep halves of the field. They had a safety in the middle of the field who looks like he's going to
Starting point is 01:06:34 play middle of the field safety and he's actually stepping up and he's the Tampa Mike linebacker. Which player you took? Which player are you talking about? I'm sorry. Is it the one that goes to Sims to the two-yard line in the third quarter? Yeah, it's after the Morland pick.
Starting point is 01:06:51 Got it. So who should he throw it to here? Well, it's a touchdown if he throws it to either Inman or to Logan Thomas. Got it. See it. That's a tricky coverage down there, and that's a variation of cover two. It does full a lot of quarterback because they see one safety in the middle of the field. And you get this thought, like, well, they can't run.
Starting point is 01:07:13 cover two here. It's just they can. That guy, the safety steps up and plays the middle, Tampa, and then the corners dropped to death. And if he were to have glanced out to his right, I think it was Matt. He was bailing pre-snap, and you can see him dropping deep. And he actually dropped deep more to the middle and completely aborts Inman, who's running up the outside, and starts to collect on Sim. So that's just a play that that quick release will get it done though. And Sims does a good job protecting his body. And again, we're going to learn from that play. And we're going to learn that as a quarterback, you can use your eyes to manipulate defense. But at the same time, we're going to learn what we've had success. You know, Cooley, what you
Starting point is 01:07:56 realize from the end zone on this, he's got no, it's all wrist, it's all flick. Like, there's no step into that throw. It is super quick, but the footwork right is, is, is, not great, and it's all risks, the throw, he doesn't step into it. It's really, it's interesting to watch his throwing motion. It's one of the reasons it's so quick, but there's no, there's no, there's no legs into a throw for him. On that one, there wasn't. Well, if you watch him throughout the game, it's not necessarily his style. It's just why I think in a lot of situations he's going to lack accuracy because it's hard to throw dark the way he's throwing darts. And at the same time, you look at this throwing, it's like, if I was playing, I would have
Starting point is 01:08:47 wanted this ball thrown to me as well. If I was Sims, I want this ball. But if this is 1999 football, I guess that's a quarterback, but you get guys blown up that way a little bit. It's fine. We've got to play down to the two-yard line. You just had two receivers open, and that probably, Yeah.
Starting point is 01:09:10 You know, that probably wasn't the exact right throw, and I'm sure he'd like it back to throw a touchdown on the next play and not have Peyton Barber have to run it in. All right. The two best throws I thought he made on the day, Logan Thomas on the third down, he works a slant to his right, the safety ends up cutting,
Starting point is 01:09:35 and he progresses through, and he hits Logan Thomas, and it's a good ball because Logan's tightly contested, and then Logan jumps forward for, two yards. That moment in the game, that play was huge. And then later on that drive, a slant to Inman was absolutely huge. Those were two of the best throws. And the other best throw, I thought, it was the
Starting point is 01:09:57 drive opener on that drive that score to get Logan Thomas on a run-action path in the middle of the field right between the backers. Those were the three best throws of the day, I thought. With the game on the line, 17-17. Oh, another play that I liked was a third and 15 in the third quarter. It was a comeback to Inman. Inman's taking forever to get out of his break. This is like, if you're coaching a high school kid,
Starting point is 01:10:31 teach him that seven chop steps at the top of a route doesn't do any favor. The corner's breaking on the route before Inman's turning around. Inman's taking absolutely forever. Dwayne doesn't have time, and so he let it go. That was a good anticipation throw out of man coverage that should have been completed if Inman can get his head turned around. It's like, chop, chop, chop, chop, chop, chop, chop, chop. Did you weigh 195 pounds?
Starting point is 01:10:56 Can you not come out of a break? This is the NFL. So I actually thought that was a pretty good throw. The one thing I would say to Dwayne moving forward in third and 15 if you have man-to-man coverage or what anyone, you would call it 11 lurk or 11 plug or whatever.
Starting point is 01:11:12 There's a free safety and there's a middle linebacker who are basically zoning, really nice, everyone else is a man. This is what I'd say. Work Sims or work Terry. Right. If you got man coverage,
Starting point is 01:11:23 work one of your two best receivers. Don't work your third receiver. Oh, one more big play that I thought he made that I don't think should go unnoticed. After they convert the fourth down, he has to scramble from the three-yard line. Sheriff can't pass up a stunt,
Starting point is 01:11:44 and he ends up getting himself back to the line of scrimmage. That's the difference between a touchdown and a fail goal in that situation. I thought that was big time. After the fourth and one, you're saying that, yeah, I'm getting to that play, because I want to... There's a first down throw. He ends up having to scramble, and he gets up the middle back to. to the line of scrimmage. I think it was called a sack. Yeah, it was. Hold on. But that's a huge play by
Starting point is 01:12:17 doing. He's got nobody open in the end zone. And that's a really good job. Not taking a lot. Great, great footwork, great vision to avoid a couple of people and get that thing back to the line of scrimmage. Yep. Big play. That's what I'm talking about. That allowed, that allowed. Start in the pocket. Yeah. The other thing with Duane, I mean, and then he makes a boot throw. I mean, pretty much that's a wrap for the game. He makes a little boot throw, the stand, but that's not a big deal. But there's a big play call.
Starting point is 01:12:48 The thing with Duane is if you're not going to start to climb the pocket, you're creating a landmark back there, especially in known passing situations, where defensive ends can turn the corner at eight yards and expect you there. Right. if you're not going to step up and be able to move, if your left guard gets beat, slide up and move right, slide up and move back around. That's what the best quarterbacks do.
Starting point is 01:13:17 When you watch Drew Breeze, guys can beat all the time. You make the miss. When you watch somebody, you've got to be able to make guys miss back there. You've got to be able to avoid it. I mean, for God takes, I know Wentz got sacked eight times, but the first Bostic blitz where he was unblocked, like he just ducked and Bostick went over the top of it.
Starting point is 01:13:34 him and he survived the play. Right. We've got to be able to try to avoid back there a little bit better than I thought Dwayne did at some point in the game and you can't just become a statue standing at nine yards for anybody to come and start swiping the ball. Okay. I have. The intangibles, Kev, I thought he did a really good job for the most part, protecting
Starting point is 01:13:56 the ball. I don't know if it's protecting the ball or sometimes it throws just such a bullet that it's called protected. I thought he consistently had the offense at the line of. Grimmage. He utilized the motions and everything pre-snap really, really well. I thought he did a good job with his cadence throughout the game. I thought poison leadership consistent throughout the game. So it's interesting because I see a guy who's throwing the ball too early, but I don't see a guy who looks panic. So I think there's some promise to Duane's play, and I think that this is a good
Starting point is 01:14:30 learning moment in a new offense for Duane. And they've got to figure out exactly what he's comfortable with and what he can do and where they grow from there because most of the completions were really basic simple concepts and so we we got to be able to build on that a little bit more so the grade the wayne's grade is a C-minus in this game and that's the poise and leadership and the throw to inman you know in a tie game that didn't that that didn't no no that didn't no that that that got it to where it was I saw that at best at that C-minus in this game. Like, you can be a C-S starting quarterback.
Starting point is 01:15:18 You start getting below C's, and you're not a starting quarterback in this league. You're not a great quarterback in the C-level. I see Dwayne as being able to be right now better than that. But he's got to be more accurate. He's got to have more touch, and you've got to be able to move in the pocket a little bit better. I have one question about him, and then we'll get to the skill position players. but before I ask the question about him, I want to make sure, just like we used to be,
Starting point is 01:15:43 and you used to be clear, that this is coolly grading Dwayne's game, not grading Dwayne's overall ability. He's grading Dwayne's game against the Eagles, you know, the one they played on Sunday as a C-miles. Here's my one thought slash question. What I noticed a little bit, but much more so in following you through your breakdown of Duane is they need to really get more play action
Starting point is 01:16:15 into the game for him. And they need to get him on the move and play action. A lot of bootleg because I thought, you know, even that easy throw to Sims, you know, up 2417, they got that big play out of that. He just looks more comfortable on the move a little bit. On that bootleg to McLaurin where he threw back over, you know, to the sort of middle of the field. I think he throws better. The touch throws in the flat look ugliest to me.
Starting point is 01:16:46 The one flick, you know, bad footwork from the pocket, it works and it gets there a lot of the time, but it doesn't look smooth. The smoothest throws for him are boots and play action, but especially boots where he's on the move sort of against the grain. Yes or no? I would tend to agree with that. I think early in the game you make him more of a prototypical type of guy
Starting point is 01:17:11 instead of the RPO stuff and some of the quarterback action type of plays where he could potentially run. I think you get that mixed in into the second and third quarter of games when he starts to become more comfortable. I think quick game with some run plays early and then you integrate some run action stuff where he can take some shots. I think that's the best thing you could possibly do. They didn't do anything to create big plays downfield.
Starting point is 01:17:45 I don't think there was anything where Terry was really working double moves. I mean, maybe you're thinking that you weren't going to have enough time, but I just didn't see a lot of shots drawn up. All right. Coolie is going to get to the skill position players next right after we take this moment for a word from Liquid Ivy. This is the Athletics Shield Capadia here to tell you about liquid IV. Nobody likes to feel dehydrated. Maybe you get a little bit of a headache, dry mouth. You just don't feel like yourself. But believe it or not, dehydration still occurs daily in three out of four people.
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Starting point is 01:19:44 I just, he's such an all-around player. He's a guy that you see, like, early in the game, he sits down on a deep crossing route. He sits down and makes a catch on Duane's bootleg out to the right. And he just, he has a sense and he has a knack, and when you watch Terry McCorn, there's nothing about him that says he's a second-year player. or he's a young player. He's a mature football player. He's a good blocker downfield. He consistently makes big plays after the catch.
Starting point is 01:20:11 You see him breaking tackles more than I think anybody else in this organization or in that organization. I think he is after the catch stuff, his big time. It's fun to watch him off the ball sometimes because he's open off the ball at times or he's doing the right thing off the ball at times. how they use Terry McLaurin will dictate what Terry McClellan actually is the issue. I think you've got to find a way to get him down the field and more involved, especially in some of the third down situations.
Starting point is 01:20:42 Like make him your primary guy design and create for Terry. And maybe they were worried that Darius Slay would be on Terry the entire game, but give Terry a chance to beat him. I don't think they did enough to do that. I thought Terry was a B in this game, but I just don't see him having the opportunities to be an A-type player in this ball game. Do they have to do what Clinton always says,
Starting point is 01:21:06 which is you just force the ball to your best player? Well, yeah, they are absolutely going to have to. And if you think about all the motions and all the movements and all the things that they had, Terry wasn't really involved in much of that. You have to find a way to make him involved in that so you can create for him. If you're playing a one corner, let's get Terry on their two-corner. Let's find a way to get him into better situations where he can get downfield.
Starting point is 01:21:31 me, that's, Terry played the most plays of anybody from any of the skill positions. I do, I like Terry a lot. I'm going to, I'm going to sit here and tell you, like, he's a Z receiver, in my opinion, until he makes X receiver type of plays this year. And by that, I mean, the deep ball over the top, the big time guy, you know what I mean? Well, he did that last year. The receiver is a guy that's going to take a swan and break a tackle and make a play out of it. I see him as that. I just don't see him as a true X at this point.
Starting point is 01:22:05 But when I say that, there shouldn't be anything that tells me he's not, because I see speed, I see some route running ability, I think he can get better as a route runner, but I still think that he's got some savvy to him. And he showed in this game. So I want to just make sure that people follow that, you know, that don't really follow, you know, X, Y, Z receivers, and have you explain, you know,
Starting point is 01:22:30 The X is really out there on that side by itself. But my question to you is why is that viewed sometimes as more a number one versus a number two? So the X receiver is always offset from the Y tight end, which essentially means they're offset from the strength. The backside tight end or the slot could be set to them in a double situation, or you could go completely three over and put three guys with the Y away. but the X and Y are polar opposites. The Y is usually the strength. The defense is consider the Y-tide-end, the strength.
Starting point is 01:23:06 The X, the biggest thing in X can do is make plays when you go three-by-one away from the X, or when the X is on the single side. Those are the big-time X players that you have to bracket or you have to bring a safety over, so you play two players over one, and now you have an advantage with the three on the other side. They haven't dictated that yet with Terry. So, we'll get there, hopefully. Okay. I mean, remember last year, especially with Keenham, they took a lot of deep shots,
Starting point is 01:23:38 and McLaurin's 4-3 speed was very difficult to, you know, stay with. I mean, when, you know, they, remember early in that year, there was a lot of first-down play action deep shots to him with him being, you know, them trying to force-feed it to him. I don't know if they'll do that in Scott Turner's offense. He had one in the game, okay, and it ended up being an overthrow by Dwayne Haskins, and I didn't put this in the positive or the negative of Dwayne Haskins. They went with a run-action pass, and Terry took it into about the hash on an angle,
Starting point is 01:24:10 and it really is called an angle route, and you can take it into the hash, and then he's going to bend it back out. So it's like back out to the corner. So it's not straight-stem. It's inside, like you're selling deep across the field and then bend back out. Terry gets hemmed up. He's got to find a way to sell that further inside. you get hands off. He's got to get over the top on that.
Starting point is 01:24:30 It's basically what I'm saying. If he wants to be a one and he wants to win on that play and he wants to get those, he's got to get over the top of the cornerback. One way or another, he's got to find a way to sell it with his stem or sell it with his speed to push the middle of the field that he just doesn't get road as he comes back out of that bending to the corner. He did get road. Got it. And I didn't put that on Duane because I thought Duane gave him a chance. I would maybe would have like to see that ball have a little more touch.
Starting point is 01:24:56 But at that, I still don't know if that's going to be a complete ball. It was good coverage. So I want to see a guy get a step on someone in those situations. That's a hard route, in my opinion. But that's what he's got to be able to do. Terry B. Terry McClure and a bit. Sims, Jr.
Starting point is 01:25:11 You know Sims Jr.? It's like 58 plays? Yeah. It didn't seem like it. I think they realize that he's a game changer and Kenby. He needs to be on the field. 58 plays, he had three targets, he had three receptions for 50 yards. I thought he had the opportunity to have some more.
Starting point is 01:25:36 The thing that stands out in this game initially in the positive is his ability to change speed. He tempos the first three or four steps are out when he needs to. Then he can burst out of those things. That's a savviness that you don't see from all our players. We talked about this in detail with the Dwayne-Haskins scramble. But Sims is running a five-yard-in on a third down, and most guys run straight to five yards and in. And Sims' like got a little pause and hesitation step, and then an in-break and the burst out of it is awesome. By the way, on that very same play, Terry McLaurin did the same thing on a slant and separated.
Starting point is 01:26:13 He also was open on that. So I noted that from Terry on that particular play. But, man, Sims is a guy that can change speed. He's a guy that can burst after the catch. he should get more of those little screen plays. He had that nice little flip screen early in the ball game. He can go up and get a ball. That ball he caught down to the two-yard line that they ended up scoring their second touchdown.
Starting point is 01:26:40 That's a huge play by a little dude. Yeah, he caught it in traffic. He's caught in traffic. He's got good hands. Great play on the bootleg at the end of the game. Just a burst out of it with the ball. He scares people. So to me, like Sims is another guy.
Starting point is 01:26:58 You've got to find a way to get vertical down the field. If Terry's going to dictate coverage, we've got to get Sims down the field. Don't treat him as a slot. Treat him as your number two and get him down the field. There was one opportunity where they did have a chance. They were trying to take a chance early in the game. It was a run-action pass the Duane through way. He's running the John Gruden banana route.
Starting point is 01:27:19 So he's going to sell like he's running a deep crossing route from the right side. Is that a spider-wide banana? Yeah, I would be a spider Z banana. Okay. Because he's the Z, but yeah, that would be it. It's just that banana didn't have any curve to it. You know, that was a real stiff-looking banana. Like they've got a banana.
Starting point is 01:27:39 You know what? They're not ripe. Those stiff bananas, they got a little too much green on him. You've got to wait a couple days. One more step, just a little bit more patience on that double move, and he's going to be open. But it's almost like to feel like, so you're running on, you start on the right, side of the formation, you're deep crossing, in the corner or the DB's outside of you and behind you.
Starting point is 01:28:03 It's almost like out of your right eyes you're running deep across. You have to fill them, start to cut across the field on the crosser. And right when you fill them cut, that's when you break. So to me, it doesn't matter how far you take it into the middle of the field. It's as far as you need to take it to push that player to cut it, and then you come back out of it. Other than that, I thought it was pretty good. He was a B in this game.
Starting point is 01:28:26 Logan Thomas. You like him, though. You like him. I love him. I think he's going to be a consistent good player. I see him as more than a slot. More than just a slot. Don't you think he's going to carry the ball, too,
Starting point is 01:28:41 on a lot of that fly sweep in motion action? I'd rather have Sims carry the ball than Gibson on the fly sweep stuff. Okay. Right now. Can't wait until Gibson's review and grade here. Okay, Sims Jr. B. Who's up next? Logan Thomas.
Starting point is 01:28:58 Okay. There are some things that I like about Logan Thomas. I think that in the run game, he's physical. You remember last year when he knocked Ryan Carrigan out. Right. I've never seen that crossed the line of scrimmings. I'd forgotten about that. When he killed Ryan Cargan, he had one early in the game where he went down and cut the D-N
Starting point is 01:29:25 and blew him up on a cut block. You do that a couple times as a tight end, and they don't want anymore. Like, this is, this ox. Like, I think he's got some physicality to him. Now, that said, the first negative I'm going to get to, they run this little counterplay that ends up bouncing outside. He doesn't block anybody on that play. That's the game's out there.
Starting point is 01:29:45 Yeah. And he's the only player outside. Ergo, block him. Yeah, he just run into him. Like, he just ran into him. I was like, wait, wait, wait, was that my guy? I think it was. Shit, that was my guy.
Starting point is 01:29:57 I saw that. Somebody tweeted that play out. He also missed somebody in the backfield on that. Well, he's bypassing the player in the backfield. Okay. Yeah, he's supposed to run past the player in the backfield because you want that defensive lineman to go down the line of scrimmage and we're counting on him being unblocked into bouncing outside of him.
Starting point is 01:30:21 It's almost like a reverse kind of deal. So you just block the corner and then we have a touchdown. down. Or not. Yeah. That was weird. The near interception on the third down and four, I think that it's a poor angle by Logan Thomas. Look, let's just be really clear.
Starting point is 01:30:42 On the near Maddox interception you're talking about. Yeah, let me just be clear. This doesn't, I don't see Logan Thomas as a guy that's going to win against man-to-man coverage. Really? But he's not your third down. No. I think he's got some speed, but you look at the catch he made on the run-action pass to start a drive over the middle of the field.
Starting point is 01:31:03 And that's, to me, Logan Thomas. He's got the speed to press the seam and press vertically so he can get into some open zones well into the timing of the play and make those type of plays. But I don't see him as a quick twitch. I think he's stiff. I think he runs way too upright. But I do think he's physical. I mean, and for example, he caught a little screenplay.
Starting point is 01:31:28 Is he easy to tackle? You got brought down by one dude immediately. Right. But I do like him. I think he's better than they've had. It's interesting. I think he's all right in the run game. I thought you were going to tell me that he had some athleticism,
Starting point is 01:31:47 former quarterback, former basketball player kind of ability to get open and separate. I'm not saying at the Jordan Reed level because that was ridiculous. But I thought I saw a little bit of wiggle, too. I don't see a lot of wiggles. Okay. He was a B-minus. B-minus for Logan Thomas. Gibson.
Starting point is 01:32:11 Yeah. Gibson is a physical runner. That play that he ran through, I think, might have been Malik Jackson pulling his shirt. Yeah. That was a Logan Thomas player. We didn't block anybody, right? One of them.
Starting point is 01:32:23 I think so. He was pulling his shirt and just a leg drive from Gibson was awesome. He had a great run in the second quarter for 18 on a trap play, so he's running it in between the tackles. But that second quarter 18-yard, Terry, you freeze-framed that at about seven yards downfield and tell me that that's not a house call. And then he just runs straight into Terry McLaurin and falls down.
Starting point is 01:32:49 Terry tackled him. He runs a little upright, too, doesn't he? He runs a little upright. I'm concerned about his break tackle ability in the open field off of one game. I do like his hands out of the backfield. We've talked about Duane Blackett's touch, but he made a couple catches out of the backfield. I think he's a better route runner than any of the other backs.
Starting point is 01:33:15 I'd like to see him utilize more as a route runner. I said that he could be used as an H-back type player, like maybe it could be a decent blocker. But that Logan Thomas screen, we just talked about, He had a complete misblock on that play that his guy
Starting point is 01:33:29 tackled Logan Thomas. Like, if you want to do things, he, like, I always think about this way, like, if I want guys to block
Starting point is 01:33:34 for me on a screenplay, like, I better block for them on a screenplay. Like, I see a burst, I see some quickness, I see some
Starting point is 01:33:41 real ronness to him. Like, I don't see him as a troop back at this point. Okay. Like, I see him
Starting point is 01:33:49 as a, as a versatile guy that, but I do think at the same time, like, I think they use McKissickick in some third-downs,
Starting point is 01:33:55 situation and they even used him like extended from the line just a little bit chipping to me that's Gibson that's that's the Gibson role is essentially make him your next receiver in third down plays got it I thought he was a C plus in this game oh and the other thing you know he got tackled in the backfield on one yeah one little counterplay first first two plays or one of the first two plays he got run down from the backside the end is unblocked I I think it just took forever to develop. I think he took too long. Okay.
Starting point is 01:34:31 I mean, he's practiced it. He's definitely trying to sell front side and counter and he's set up. And I just think it took too long. Okay. A couple more. Just quickly. Inman. Oh, Inman, yeah.
Starting point is 01:34:46 Uh-oh. I don't think it's going to be good. I'm not impressed with Inman too much. He made a couple catches on slants that I like. I think he's really in this game was actually. average at getting off any kind of press, getting any kind of separation. To me, he didn't look like he was fast off of the ball. He was a C-minus.
Starting point is 01:35:10 Oh, and we just mentioned that 18-yard carry by Gibson. If you pull that up and tell me how Inman gets away with holding. Like, every time he blocked somebody, he's grabbing outside of their pads. There was a clear and defined hold. Oh, and by the way, I went through the PFF grades. They gave him a positive. They don't give positives that often, especially in the run game. He got a positive.
Starting point is 01:35:32 So if it's a flag, it's called negative two on Inman, but if it's not, it's a positive. But it should have been a negative. But they weren't calling holding on Sunday. So there you go. But it was old. Okay. Okay. Peyton Barber.
Starting point is 01:35:48 I like Peyton Barber. Me too. I think that he has really good patience. I thought he showed good vision. His ability to run with a ball. You had a stiff arm at one point. He can run through contact. In tight spaces was good.
Starting point is 01:36:03 Around the end zone was good. I think Peyton Barber is a pretty good player. He didn't have a ton of carry. Like, I would have like to see Peyton Barber get... I mean, I say that. I guess he had 17 carries. On Monday, his 17 carries for 29 yards, and I said, if you just read that stat line,
Starting point is 01:36:24 I think you'd miss the point. Barbara's vision and patience in some of those big runs, especially down at the goal line, were really impressive. I agree with you. I thought he looked good. You know, he's never had a high yard. That's worth a few to get the first down. Exactly.
Starting point is 01:36:39 Huge. Huge because it didn't look like there was going to be. I thought that when he took that pitch, I didn't think he was going to make it. Yeah, he made the most out of it. I like Pete and Barbara. It's weird because I graded him a B in this game. And it's like you look at his staff, and it's a D. But I thought he made plays when he had to make plays,
Starting point is 01:37:03 and I thought he ran with some good patience. I thought, watching him with a couple of the cuts that he made and a couple of things that he did, I actually like Peyton Barber in this game. I did too. And remember Cooley, he had that really good game, the game where Tampa had 500 yards and only scored three points. but he was really good in that game and I remember making sort of a note
Starting point is 01:37:28 I'm like that guy runs with patience and with really good vision and yet he's never really been a guy that's generated a big statistical season. You know, his yards per average carry his career is not very impressive. Like, I'm going to pull it up right now
Starting point is 01:37:45 because I know it's always in the threes. Yeah, 3.1 last year, 3.7, 3.9. his first year in Tampa, but he only had 55 attempts. It was 4.1. But when he really became more of a guy that could get a bunch of carries, he's in the low to mid-3s as an average. 37-39, actually higher threes.
Starting point is 01:38:08 But yeah, I liked him too. What about McKissick? I didn't like McKissick in this ballgame. I didn't think McKissick really did anything to impact the game. I thought he had a couple missed assignments. He missed the protection. He had the drop pitch. Now I know someone's in your face.
Starting point is 01:38:22 But I wasn't blown away by McKissick. I thought he was a D in this game. I didn't think he really created any impact. I didn't see it. But they must see it in him, and maybe it was just a bad performance because he had, of the running backs, I think he had the most snaps, right?
Starting point is 01:38:43 Yeah, he did. In the 40s. 31 snaps. Right. Oh, he was 31. He was in on all the third downplay. Yeah. So they must like him.
Starting point is 01:38:53 And we heard that coming out of camp. I didn't think there was much. I liked him in Detroit, though, when he was there. But anyway, you got him as a D. Who else offensively skilled position? Sprinkle played a bunch of snaps. Sprinkle wasn't very good in this game. Let's just leave it at that.
Starting point is 01:39:09 And Marcus Bob played 27 plays, which is crazy. He were number 85. He's not. Could have Charlie Warner. He's just going to say it a million times. He's probably going to play for San Francisco this week because Kittles are Charlie Warner. I talked to Charlie Warner two days ago.
Starting point is 01:39:29 Oh, you did? Yeah. You just tell him you were happy he made the team? I told him I knew he was going to make the team. Yeah, you did. All right, let's get to the offensive line. I got to do a quick spot for MyBooky, and then you can finish up with the offensive line.
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Starting point is 01:40:54 Kev, we'll finish with the offensive line, as exciting as it says. I will tell you before we begin this part of the program that on Monday, you said, I just didn't think to wait a time. And I kind of said, I thought it was okay in a situation. You were right. It wasn't very good. Yeah, I don't think it was very good. I mean, he could make it better in some situations.
Starting point is 01:41:18 but gosh, it wasn't very good. Let's start with Geron Christian. We'll go left or right across the board. The way I like to do this, because they're so impactful on every play. And it's funny, they play the most plays. You grade them the most grades. You write the most notes, and people care the least about these grades. Yeah, but I think because this is a perceived weakness offensively,
Starting point is 01:41:38 along with a wide receiver, and because Christian's been a big question mark, and they're going to have to figure out the left side. I think people are going to be very interested in how you grade out these guys in this first game, considering they won the game. When I like to do this essentially a run grade in a past game and a past grade, and you can pretty much put them together because they're two really different situations. So we'll start with your own Christian.
Starting point is 01:42:02 In the run game, he's not physical. He's got to be more downhill. He's got to use his hands better. He's got to play lower. On the backside and on double teams, he's getting too far behind his own player that he's double teaming with. It's almost like Pump and West Martin. times you don't need to hump west martin better to do it you actually get ass cheek to
Starting point is 01:42:24 ass cheek moving forward instead of just ram rotting for oh here let me come or ooh let me push it's like guys do it's my big i hate when they do that it drives me freaking not it was coached last year this was actually coached last year i don't know how they're going to coach things this year but i and i don't know how long it'll take guys to get out of some of these techniques if they are coaching in a new way but god that drove it just just drove me nuts last year. Just, again, catching too much. Like, you'd get there, he'd have the first step, and then he'd catch.
Starting point is 01:42:57 Like, wait. If you have the first step, attack you've won. Go knock him down field. Don't sit there and catch him. You get the first step. You've got a little space. You're like, okay, now is he going to run into me? Okay, now I'll catch him and let him push me back.
Starting point is 01:43:10 I saw that too much. In the past game, I didn't, I thought the first half was pretty good by Christian. He gave up the sack fumble that at least he recovered. That would have been an absolute backbreaker at that point in the game. It would have killed all the momentum. It would have been a disaster, but it ended up working out. And then I thought he, you know, I thought he started to open his hips too quick.
Starting point is 01:43:34 And I'll explain that. When you have especially a tackle, they're in what's called a kick slide. So they, on the left side, kick his left foot back, and then slide his right foot straight back. And you're doing this while you're keeping your hips facing. downfield. He needs to get to his third big kick before he tries to open his hips and turn and pivot. When you open too quick, you give up the edge. That's what happened on the sack fumble, and it happened on a couple pressures later in this game.
Starting point is 01:44:02 And really, it's a result of pure panic. That's what it is. It's panic. So you've got to be more physical than run game, and because you give up a sack or because you give up pressure, it doesn't mean you panic the rest of the game. And he started to give up some pressures late. I thought four pressures and a sack and a sack and the fumble as well. To me, in the run game, Christian, was a D.
Starting point is 01:44:23 In the past game, I thought he was a C. I thought there were some bad plays, but I thought there were some positive there. So essentially, you're saying in between D and C, you'd say C plus or B plus or you could say C minus. Say C minor. You say C minor. Between D and a C would be a C minus. Right. Okay, well, let's call it a C plus because he gave up a sack of a fumble.
Starting point is 01:44:46 Okay. no penalties west martin i like west martin i i think he was one of my favorite players coming out of the draft he was not very good in this game oh my god did he get his ass kick on that first third round now to be somewhat fair
Starting point is 01:45:02 mickittick chips the defensive end who then runs into the back of malik jacson and it changes the dynamic of the feel for a path protector but seriously like really good job he must have roller skated backwards as a kid a little bit, not falling down right away. Right. I think that he can be more impactful in the run game.
Starting point is 01:45:26 The double teams between him and Christian weren't really good, but Christian didn't help that. He wasn't powerful, like I think he can be at the line of scrimmage, and he was bold too much in the past game. He gave up five pressures. He gave up way too much pressure. It's a good front. The Eagles are good, but it wasn't Cox on his side.
Starting point is 01:45:43 Mouillee Jackson's a good player, but it wasn't Fletcher Cox. C minus in the run game, D in the past game for West Martin. That's more like a D plus. That's the same grade you're Christian. But you like him as a player. I do. I do. I think that he can be a decent player.
Starting point is 01:46:02 The center, Chase Rouye. Way too much holding on at the last second, not enough drive, not enough physicality. He needs to play with more physicality in this game. Lost a lot of blocks in the past game late. Fletcher Cox came in and kind of bullied him around a little bit over the middle. He gave up multiple pressures in this game. I think he does a good job in space. When you get him out and
Starting point is 01:46:26 polling and on the move, he does a good job. Although Sims on the one screen that Sims had for a good screen, I would like to see Rue Ye just cut block Ruey's guy ends up forcing Sims out of bound. Just cut him down. And then Sims can make a decision where he wants to go off of that. Right. But I do think Ruey's got some athleticism and some good movement in space. Not physical enough in the middle and not consistent enough in finishing Clay.
Starting point is 01:46:51 He was a D in the run game. He was a C in the past game. Brandon Sheriff. C minus. So this is my first thing. In the run game, Brandon can be whatever he wants to be. He's so stout, he's so physical, he's got so much strength, and he's still trying to turn and torque people.
Starting point is 01:47:11 Now, again, they were coached to do this last year. On some of the zone run plays, when somebody takes an edge or one side of you, they're just turn and torque and expose the hole. Like almost pull with one hand, push with the other, and just torque them. It eliminates the possibility of the back going to that side or any further. The theory would be that it would open up a hole inside of it. I hate this. It's shit, in my opinion. It was how he was coach, though.
Starting point is 01:47:39 I don't know what it's going to be, but I hate being it. I'm going to downgrade him. I'm going to downgrade him on my... torques. Other people might not. Well, is it his fault, or is he just doing what he's being coached? Can't tell you, I don't have the answer to that right now. But I think it's just sloppy football. I think it's lazy. Just keep moving your feet and keep running your player, because he's so good that if he just
Starting point is 01:48:03 runs his player, he can run him out of the equation. I mean, God, think of all the times in this game as well. Like, Brennan Sheriff, when he's polling and when he's in space, he is an absolute nightmare. Right. You get him in space and on the move, and he's an absolute nightmare. I do think that he got pushed around a little bit by Fletcher Cox in this game. He gave up that RPO sack. I mean, he just can't get pushed back like that.
Starting point is 01:48:28 I think he missed a couple stunts in the past game. Look, I like Rand and Sheriff. I think he's a tremendous player. It's just nothing he's shown me in this game is indicative of a player that deserved a massive guard contract. He was a C-plus in the run. C plus in the past. He gave up a sack. He gave up three pressures. And there were very little impact plays where I think Brandon Sheriff made that play happen. Okay. C plus for Sheriff. Was it the best
Starting point is 01:48:55 offensive line grade? Because so far it is. Well, it's not because of the best is Morgan Moses. Morgan Moses actually did a tremendous job in the run game. You got him out in space. I mean, the fourth and two, I think anyone can visualize that big time play. When he was out moving, and he looked like he had some of his athletic as a back. I mean, keep in mind the last couple years, it's like ankle problem after ankle problem. But diving to make blocks late and make plays, and there was a trap play that bounced out to the left
Starting point is 01:49:26 that Morgan dove and ended up knocking his guy out on the second level, away from the play, but his guy would have made the play, and it was like, God, it's ugly, but, man, the effort to get that done is so big time. And I thought Morgan did a pretty good job as a pass protector. really, to me, it was only like one pressure that he gave up as a pass protector in this ballgame. So the right side between Sheriff and Moses should be fine. Moses, to me, I thought he was close to an A in the run game. I can't find a ton.
Starting point is 01:49:54 And I thought he was a B in the B plus-ish. To me, Morgan's like an A-minus in this game. Wow, there it is. It took us a while. But the very last player, unless you grated out West Schweitzer, who played six snaps, the very last player was the highest. graded player in the game, Morgan Moses. And across the board, the offensive line, it was a D-plus C-minus performance at best by this
Starting point is 01:50:20 offensive line. And essentially, if you were to grade the entire offense, I thought made a couple plays when they had to make plays and finished a couple drives that were critical down there in the red zone. But they did not, they do not strike fear into anybody as an offense. That was excellent. I mean, this is an offense that you're not going to. be not going to be that worried about, but it's fun to watch.
Starting point is 01:50:44 And keep in mind what did I do this. It was just one game. One game. And it's an offense that's got a new offensive coordinator and a second year quarterback and a young offensive line. They're an offense that could grow. This could get better as the season goes up. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:50:59 First of all, for me, overall, the biggest surprise for me is that you, you, is that you graded Dwayne a C-minus. That's my biggest surprise. I really thought you were going to come in here and you were going to tell me because of the big plays he made, because of the clutch plays that he made,
Starting point is 01:51:25 that even all the stuff we saw early in the game, that that trumps a lot of it and that maybe he was a B-minus kind of. Because I think that's what I didn't grade him. I should have on the radio show or maybe earlier this week on the podcast. I think I would have given a B-minus because he came through in the same way he did in the Detroit game last year, where he had a terrible game, but he came through with big plays when winning the game was a possibility, and he delivered.
Starting point is 01:51:52 I think that's my biggest surprise. I thought he would have been a little bit higher. But, you know, in listening to you, I know it's fair. And your concerns about touch-passing, the touch on his passes was something that Rivera mentioned. and I can see, even with a non-expert opinion on quarterback play technically, I can see that the footwork isn't consistent or very good. I do think, though, the more in listening to you do this, they got to figure out a way to get him on a lot of bootlegs early
Starting point is 01:52:28 and get some easy throws, and it seems like his touch on bootlegs is better. Anyway, it sounds like you're wrapping up too. Great job. Oh, no, I just had this car button just turned on, so I wasn't. All right. But, yeah, no. I think your assessment's pretty good. We'll do defense tomorrow.
Starting point is 01:52:46 Thanks. Thanks, buddy. All right. Great job from Cooley. First film breakdown of the year. He'll do defense tomorrow. And we'll be doing this all year long. Appreciate it.
Starting point is 01:52:59 Have a great day, everybody.

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