The Kevin Sheehan Show - Cooley Film: Denver Game

Episode Date: September 20, 2023

Cooley makes his season debut on the show and he was impressed with Washington's 35-33 win in Denver. He did an in-depth film breakdown of Sam Howell's game and Eric Bieniemy's game-plan and play-calling. Plenty on the rest of the offense, the differences in the defense early in the game versus late, and thoughts on a few of the key plays and some of Ron Rivera's strategic decisions too.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it. You don't need it. But you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Sheehan Show. Here's Kevin. He is back. Ladies and gentlemen, Christopher Cooley on the podcast. And he has prepped for this.

How do I know that? Because I asked him if he would be ready at about 1 o'clock, right when I get off my radio show. And he said, no, I need more time to get ready. I'm still watching film. I can't tell you how excited I am and I know everybody else is. The show today, by the way, as always, presented by Window Nation 86690 Nation or Windonation.com. So, before we get to all the detail, do we have a football team here that's kind of interesting through two weeks? Yeah.

I think you got a football team. Yeah? What's this the first year that we've done this, at least since I've been here, that it was. wasn't just a dog shit start? Yeah. I think the first year when I was going to go on all the time with you and we were excited about the season, it was over by week seven. Okay.

Let's do film breakdown. They're out of it. Cool. Do you know the last time they started 2 and O? Jim's orange year? No. You didn't because you lost to the Giants in that Thursday night opener before you guys. Oh, we started 7 and 1, right?

or something like that? No, you started 6 and 2, but still, that was an incredible start to the season. I can't even remember my own seasons, so no, I don't. When was the last time? All right, so you were on the last team that started 2-0, and you were also on the last team that started 3-0. The last team that started 2-0 was in 2011 with Rex, and you guys beat the Giants at home.

That was Ryan Kerrigan's first game. He had a touchdown, actually. And then you beat the Cardinals 22 to 10. 21 at home. And so you started that season, you started that season 2 and 0. Then you lost the Cowboys on Monday night. Yeah, exactly. You lost a close game to Dallas on Monday night. And then you beat the Rams to get to 3 in 1 that year. Now, you know, this was, you had a, that was not, you know, your best season by any stretch of the imagination. You missed a lot of games. You were injured. But,

The last time you started 3-0, you were on that team as well. Do you remember? No. It was the season really for the seasons you were here. It's the last time this franchise won a playoff game, 2005. That's 3-0, and then we lost some games after that. You did, and then you made the big run late. You know, the funny thing about that 3-0 start, offensively, remember, you didn't

score your first touchdown until the fourth quarter of week two on Monday night in Dallas, the Monday Night Miracle game. Because you beat the Bears 9 to 7. You know, Joe started in that game Patrick Ramsey and then went to Brunel and then Brunel started the rest of the year. Right. The game that I scored a touchdown in the first quarter and got an OPI and called it back, then Ramsey got hit and heard on the next play. something like that. Right within the next couple plays. You had in that game against the Bears three catches for 34 yards,

and I do remember the play you're talking about because you guys ended up kicking a field goal. But you know what? I don't know that we've ever had, given how much time we've done together on the air and off it. I don't know that I've ever spent much time talking to you about Patrick Ramsey. I mean, we know what he was like with Spurrier. You know, they never protected him, and so he got the shit kicked out of him. But you loved Brunel. Santana loved Brunel.

Everybody loved Brunel who played for him, and he was your guy, and you guys loved him. What did you think of Patrick Ramsey and Gibbs' decision to start him? I loved Ramsey. I thought he was going to absolutely be the dude. I remember that offseason. We played golf. me, Pat, Patrick and I played golf three to four times a week. You, wait.

Not because we were trying, not because we were trying to bond. We got along with each other well and played golf daily. You, Pat, and who else, did you say? Mostly me and just Patrick. Okay. I mean, Ramsey played golf. Good golfer? Finds a lot of balls.

He was. Here's my ball. Oh, here's my ball. Really? He had taken up golf later. Uh-huh. If I remember, right, his brother-in-law or someone was a pro, and he became very good, very fast to golf.

He was a good golfer. He is a good golfer. I'm sure he's probably close to a scratch golfer, I know. And I'm kidding about the ball thing, although that did have it. It happens to everyone, especially when we're all young. Look, I got it. Don't worry. You don't need to look.

You don't need to come over here. I found it. Wait a minute. It looked like you hooked. 20, you know, over the fence and onto the road. I did. I did. No, I kicked. Must have hit a tree and kicked out. Well, I'm over on the other side of the road, and I also have a black four.

So I'll just put it in my back. Don't worry about it. Don't worry. I'll tell you what, seriously, I don't think I've ever been that guy. I'm not trying to give myself credit. And I don't think you've ever. You've done the, oh, I just found it. Maybe when I was younger. But when I became, when golf became a passion and I understood a lot of what is expected from, you know, golf and the, you know, the honor system in a lot of ways. I mean, I'm not kicking balls over in the fair way. Well, that's not true. Of course, when you're not playing competitively and you're not playing for money or you're not playing, you know, you'll roll the ball over and give yourself a better lie, of course.

but I'm talking about out-out-out-out-cheating. You don't out-and-out cheat. No, I don't. I would not do that, especially if we were counting. And the other thing is if you and I were playing together, and there's a ball on the edge. I'm telling you to just put the ball where you can hit it. Of course, yes.

Yeah, no, no. I'm cheating. I'm cheating just the same for you as I am for me in that instance where it's not really a serious route. That's not what we're talking about, though. Let's just play. Yeah. We're not talking about that. We're not talking about the ball ends up like in this trench with this terrible line.

You're like, take it out of there. Give yourself a lie. Right. You're saying that. Give yourself a lie. You're saying, oh, I found it. No, no, no. I found my first one.

I found the first one that I hit that looked like it was going way over that building and into the pool. But no, it hit off the building. And it's right here, right on the edge of the fairway. Look at this. It's actually a ruling that I hate. in golf, in the lost ball ruling, and you're supposed to go back and re-tee. Yeah, how old we don't?

Instead of just taking them playable. Lateral, yeah. And I hate that you have to re-tee if you don't find your ball because if we're playing in any semblance of a tournament, like a pro golfer would play, that ball found with people on the fairways. There are people out there. They don't lose balls.

Right. They find the ball every time. Like the ball's there. I know the ball's in here. Okay? We hit the ball over here in the sagebrush. My friend hit one. We actually played.

We were playing in a tournament this weekend. It was 18. We were all out of the tournament. He hit one and it bounced into a pine tree. And we all watched it bounce in the pine tree. I couldn't find it in the pine. It stayed in the tree. Well, you know the balls in the tree.

Is it really a lost ball? No, but can I just tell you that's interesting that you had that? How did you resolve it? You just told, how was it resolved? Did he have to go back and re-tee? I think he took a two-stroke penalty, right? I don't know. There's unplayable, and then there's, I don't know, I'm not like so up on the rules.

We counted it, but he didn't care. The scores didn't matter, so it wasn't important, but it's an interesting one. if you're in it or trying to finish around or trying to score and we can't find a ball that everyone watched go into a certain area. Right. We all know it's there. Can I... Brownhog steal it?

Well, let me just tell you, something happened to me on Sunday morning playing that has never happened to me, ever. You know my golf course. You know 17. the hole where you either gives you a chance from certainly the member T's or the blues for people like you to drive the green. But most, you know, you hit it to that landing area

to the end and then you only have as a second shot a hundred or less to the green. You know number 17 at my course. Yeah, it's a risk-reward hole. So I hit perfect, you know, rescue 210 yards, to the landing area and then took my 56 out and hit a perfect shot up onto the green. And you know that green a little bit where you've got to get it up in the air and it's got to land, you know, softly or it's going to go to the back of the green and off the green.

Well, I hit the perfect shot. Like I got it way up and it cleared, you know, the front and it landed somewhere on the green. Well, we get up there and there's no ball on the green. There's no ball in the cup. There's no ball off the green. There's no ball anywhere. It's not anywhere to be found. And everybody saw the shot.

So, you know, the caddies and the other three guys I was playing with, no, no, what happened here? Did he get caught up in the rough here before it got to the green? Nope. Checked everywhere there. Checked in the trap below. Maybe it rolled back and we didn't see it rolled. Nope. And so the caddy said he thinks, because it's,

it happened to him a few weeks ago, he thinks a bird came down, picked up the ball, and took off with the golf ball. So it was one of those where there was no doubt the ball should have been on the green. You know, it's not like, might be on the green, might be off it, you know, could have caught that. No, no, no, it was going to be on the green. And the reason people are saying, well, why didn't you see it on the green? Because it's an elevated green.

I should have described that. and you can't see the green from below where you're hitting the shot. Or the birds attacking the ball on the green. And so, you know, it was a fairly big bird. It was a big hole in the match that we were playing. And so the guys on the other team, they're friends, they just said, you just drop one and putt there.

But then I felt like, well, shit, what if it goes in? I mean, and it's a birdie. It's not like, I miss the putt. We put it about, I thought walking up there, it would be about eight to ten feet from the cup. I really did. I thought it was like the kind of shot that usually ends up eight to ten feet. So we put it to 15 feet, and I putted and just barely missed the putt.

And so I ended up with a four, which is probably what I would have gotten anyway. But that's never – people talk about that happening all the time. Yeah, I couldn't find my ball. It should have been right there on the green. And usually you just say, yeah, right. But this – What crazy is in that instance? I'd rather just give you the four before.

No ball on the green. Let's just assume two-putt. You're not beating with a birdie with no ball on the green. I know. Let's just assume the two-puts. Or let's go ahead and if I really wanted you to play it out, I'd say, well, it's not on the green. You chip it on.

Try to get up and down. It's hard to just put somewhere on the green. Well, but, yeah, but, you know, the thing is it wasn't just me that saw the shot. Everybody saw the shot. I understand that. No, I get that. And by the way, when it, everybody, when I hit the shot said, ooh, that's going to be tight.

That's going to be really close. You know, like, have you ever once, though, ever? You know, watching golf on television, heard the announcer say, oh, my God, a bird just swooped down and took the ball. No. Never. No. It's never happened.

No, it hasn't. I don't think a bird. Like, it could have been like a little kid. It could have been a kid messing around. No, there was nobody. There's no kids there. I guess, you know, it could have been a fox. You know, there are definite, there are foxes out there.

Yes, it could have been a raccoon. I think it more likely would have been a fox because they move much faster. I'm not sure you're really aware of the fox raccoon movement and the diversity is in the two. I'm not. I think it would have more likely been a raccoon because I just don't see a fox being interested in the golf ball, where a raccoon might have said, ooh, a shiny white ball. Well, you would know you had a raccoon as a pet.

It's wild. I had the worst thing. I have a thing golf that is now my least favorite thing. It hasn't happened in about eight years. Did you play? You played on my course, right? You played out? We played out here.

Yeah. You mean in Virginia? Did we play golf? No, we didn't play golf in Wyoming. No. Oh, okay. Okay. Well, there's 185-yard.

our three that I hit a perfect shot. I mean off the club is so good so pure. It lands two feet behind the pin. Rolls backwards and lips out. Have you had one?

It was in tournament play. Have you had one? I mean it no, never even seen one. And I am now to the point where I would rather shank it and miss the green than watch it hit the fucking cup and lip out. It's amazing that How it doesn't just find a way to get into the hole

In that instance is beyond me 41 years old I've played a lot of golf A lot of golf I've played a lot of golf of good golfers I've never seen one I've seen three Two in the groups That I was playing in and one on another hole

watching the next hole. So I've seen three. I've never had one. And I think I've told you this before. My father, who is 85 years old, he has nine. He has nine. That's stupid.

And he had his ninth last year. That's stupid and it's completely unfair. Well, unlike me, he's actually, unlike me, he's actually, unlike me, he's actually his entire life been a very good golfer. But it doesn't matter. There's a lot of luck involved, too. Although, clearly, if you're a better golfer,

you're going to have more opportunities than if you're a bad golfer. Well, this reminds one of those instances where you get one mile an hour difference in the wind. It made me not even that, you know. It was so perfect. It hit two feet behind the cup on a down into the uphill slope and just trickled right to the whole route and whipped out. All right. Nobody wants. It's been about seven or eight years since I've had one that close. Yeah.

I've had one in the spring that was literally six inches. I think I already told you about that one. Yeah. It was six inches and it was, I mean, maybe it was a foot. And after the fact, after several times telling the story, it's six inches. By the way, golf stories, enough. We're done. Enough.

Let's move on. Yeah, let's move on. So, before we get to what you've worked on, I just want you to give an overview of what you've watched and what you think of the team so far. The game film I watched this morning is the first football game I've watched this year. You haven't bet on any games yet this year? Not yet.

No. Okay. You haven't watched any football in the first two weeks, not college, not college, not That's not necessarily 100% true. Like at the golf course we sat and the Bill's Raiders game was on and it wasn't like I was intently watching it. There's been a game on two Sundays ago. It was still my daughter's birthday. And we went to breakfast or brunch and there was a game on and I watched a game for the Bengals Browns.

I watched that for a little bit. But in terms of actually sitting down and watching a game, I have not watched the game yet this year. I am excited to sit down and watch football as the year progresses. It's just, it's one of those deals for me right now where I got six weeks left of nice weather. And our kids are young and they like to do things on the weekend. And so it just, it's Sunday is not, has not been an available day to just park it in front of the TV and watch a football game. And it's even, it's a little bit, I love the time. frame being two hours

different here, where I can watch the late games and I can watch. But it does make the 4 o'clock game challenging. We're doing stuff at 2 in the afternoon when that game starts. So I just, I am going to sit down and watch football as the year goes on, but this is the first real sit down and watch but spent probably three, three and a half hours this morning,

just going through the game film. all right so before you get to your overall reaction to the Denver game just tell everybody that you I mean everybody wanted you to go to the Denver game on Sunday I did have a couple friends who wanted me to go oh I thought when you when I talked to you last week you were saying that people were reaching out to you including from the team to see if you wanted to go I thought that's what you said to me oh no no okay people friends in Colorado from Wyoming. All right.

I misunderstood. Speaking of Wyoming, I did actually bet I did win money on the Wyoming, Texas game. Yeah. Want to know why I won money on the Wyoming Texas game? I didn't really even know what they were doing, what the spread was. But Wyoming started a backup quarterback, and the spread was only 28 in Texas to beat Bama, and every single person is a Wyoming fan at our golf course thinks that Texas is going to steamroll. So you took Wyoming in the points, and it was like 30, right?

Wyoming and the point. Yeah, and then I think I took it at 28 and a half and ended up going to 30. You know, it was 10 to 10 going in the fourth quarter. I did bet on that game. And I really, what's funny is I bet with friends. Like, I think I had three or four between $50 and $100 bets around the course, and I would have taken it at $1,000. It was without knowing anything about Wyoming and very little about Texas,

just using the Kevin Sheehan theory of, lines and how people react to lines, it was the biggest lock of locks. Well, it wasn't even close either. I mean, it was 10 to 10 going into the fourth quarter. They ended up scoring 21 unanswered, and they won 31 to 10, but I mean... It should have been 31 17, too. Wyoming scored later, I think, or had a chance to score later, or had a penalty or something. By the way, speaking of that real quickly, and we will get back to this football team.

I know you don't know anything about this, although you've already said I've watched nothing, and now you've watched several things, including you had a bet on the Wyoming game. So on Sunday, the 49ers played the Rams. The 49ers were seven and a half point favorites. I actually gave the Rams out for the second straight week as part of the smell test. They were a winner in week one outright plus five against Seattle, and then they were plus seven and a half against the Rams. Well, it was 30 to 20 with four seconds to go in the game, and Sean kicked a field goal to

cover. Now, I have not yet heard if anybody's asked him about that. And why with four, look, if there's eight seconds to go, you know, it's your only chance, or 20 seconds to go or 30 seconds to go, you kick that field goal, get it to seven, and try to recover the onside kick and have a Hail Mary or whatever. But with four seconds to go in the game, all right, he sends his field goal team out there on the last play of the game and has his kicker kick a 38-yard field goal for the cover. Do you, does Sean pay attention to that stuff? I would in no way put it past him, but I doubt it. I'm sure he knows what the line is.

I mean, look, I guess a 38-yarder, it's possible the ball could get through the uprights in three seconds and there could be one second left. and then you kick an onside kick, you recover it, and there's some sort of penalty so you get an untimed down. You know, you could explain it that way because some field goals, short field goals are three second plays. But pretty much you had to assume that with four seconds to go, that that was going to be the final play of the game.

And so you were going to lose regardless. It was impossible to win, so why not just throw one into the end zone? I don't know. Maybe he didn't want to get his guy hurt. Maybe he wanted his field goal kicker to get some confidence. Who knows? I mean, who knows? It's benign in terms of the decision for the outcome of the game.

Right. But everybody now knows. I'm sure everybody betting on the game is like, what is he doing? What is he doing this? No, don't do this. You know, you love Sean, and you, you know, I know this will be a team when you start paying attention to football again. you'll start paying attention to him. They're actually one-in-one. They're playing much better than most people thought. Well, they're the youngest team ever in the league, and I know that because I've talked

to Sean a lot about the team. But there's a receiver that they drafted in the fifth round. His name's Puka Nakua. All right, so I'm assuming he's Samoan. He played at BYU. Kooley, in the first two games, he has 25 receptions. He had 10 catches in the opener, and he had 50. catches last weekend. That's got to be a rookie record for the first two games. Oh, it has to be. There's no chance. It has to be, I mean, how many receivers have caught 25 balls at any point during their

career in two straight games? He was targeted 35 times in the two games. Cooper Cup is hurt, so he's basically playing the Cooper Cup role. But for a guy, now apparently he had a great senior. week in Mobile, and he's been injured here and there during his career. And so it's possible had he been healthy, he would have been drafted higher. Still, Sean, man, he gets people open and Matt Stafford's healthy again. And that's the big difference with that team.

All right. Big picture takeaway from watching Washington beat Denver 35 to 33 before we get to your film breakdown is what? It's a team that definitely has a chance to win a lot of football games. I don't know what Denver is exactly. I know Arizona's not great, but it's an offense that operates. They're going to be able to score points. This quarterback played I thought really, really well. And I thought B&M did a really good job.

I can't imagine that the defense won't find a way to be better, although it was a big problem throughout the game. just inability to stop big plays and shut the Broncos down. But to me, with the defensive line that they have, there should be so many things they can be able to do in the back end. I think it was an impressive win. It was a really, really impressive performance by the quarterback. I think the offensive coordinator has got some stuff to them,

and we'll talk a lot about that. And to me, it looks like a team that plays with a lot of confidence. I also think they play, especially on offense, They played with a lot of speed. They really played with speed for the first time I've seen in a while, and it resembled some of what Kansas City's looked like. You know, and I watched Kansas City play over the last few years. They play fast.

So I'm out of a team that played fast, and if they play a little bit better defensively, and Russ played well. You know, Russ played well. Yeah. It's a team. The big picture takeaway, is I would wholeheartedly believe in this team after two games knowing that it's not fake.

What I saw wasn't a fake game. You know, it wasn't a, I don't think it was a lucky game. And that they played well. They were down 21 to 3 in the game too. I mean, they were down 21, 3. And on the verge of potentially going down more before, and maybe you'll get to this, the Jamin Davis forced fumble, which completely. flip the game from that point forward.

Well, I mean, we can, this is crazy. We'll get to that right now because it was funny that I did this today. So you always likes when I said Joe Gibbs talking about getting them shuffling their papers. Yeah. Tell everybody what that

means. Okay. So anytime that you're frustrating somebody else or an offense is driving, you can't stop. Joe would really say, man, I mean, we got them shuffling their papers. Like, going through their notes, trying to figure out how to stop somebody.

Yeah. They're my, man, they're shuffling the papers. I wrote, Sean Peyton had them shuffling early in this game. Yep. Then I write 52-sack fumble after Sean Peyton had them shuffling their paper. It was the next play. It was literally the next play. It couldn't stop them at all.

men's junior was like the all-star of all-of-stars in the first half of this game. But two big, two big receptions, a punt return for like 57 yards. 19's pretty good for Denver. I wonder who that is. Yeah, they couldn't, they couldn't shot. I mean, and it was literally, Russ, do whatever you want, take shots down the field, run the ball when you want to run the ball. It was awesome as far as Denver's offense.

three drives, 226 yards, 21 points in 17 plays. And I tweeted out, Sean Payton is two to three steps ahead right now of whatever Del Rio is doing. But after that play, it completely turned the other way and the defense started to dominate them. Which, by the way, you didn't see the Arizona game. They were losing in the Arizona game too, and the defense completely turned the game around with a Montez sweat, sack, force fumble, and they ended up taking the lead on that play, and they were lights out the rest of the way Arizona couldn't do anything. But yeah.

Just offensively, you go through the first couple drives. First couple drives. Second level tackling, I hope is not good. Contain and rushlings, not good. The first pitch on the drive. Russell Wilson, still running Zone Reed. Right. Like, God, what are we doing?

Like, 57, no eyes whatsoever. Cody Barton, yeah. Lost as far as eyes envisioned. But if you watch that Zone Reed, watch Kendall Fuller. He literally trails all the way in with the receiver who's cracking. Never sees it and Russ out leverages both of them. It's like, come on, man. Between Barton and Van Fuller, you're like, what is going on?

They come back, they throw a pitch left, Chase Young's just getting pinned completely in motion to Chase Young on that pitch. You can clearly see and define the tight end coming in motion is going to crack down on Chase. Like, guy, you've got to play out into that a little bit. I mean, maybe he's got some contain out. But Denver has leverage if he doesn't play out and gets pinned down. You're talking about on that touchdown, that pitch sweep for the touchdown where he's completely sucked in inside and has no contained?

I mean, yeah, exactly. And that's a drive where they also had a quick fly sweep. And Jamie Davis is still chasing dive and a bitful fly sweep eight yards outside. Wow. Denver really has them in some trouble. The second drive, they actually hit rough. I think it's so tough.

It was a Montez sweat that had the illegal hands of a helmet or hit him in the head. Jamie Davis. It was Davis. It was Davis. It was David's sweat, hit him in the head, too. But it's hard with that. We're short. And you're trying to get it.

your hands up to block the ball. They're going to call it, but it's tough because you're trying to get your hands up. Once you get close to them, it's almost like you can't get up to bat the ball, because you can hit it right in the head. Right. And then the next play they came on the two corners blitzing. By the way, did you hear Archiletta? Well, you didn't.

You watched you all 22. Archilletta basically called it. He said, corners are coming. They got to take a shot. And Mims will be over. Well, they are. And the thing was, they take the shot, but it's just shit covering. in the back end of it.

They're basically playing a fire zone behind it with two safeties. Mims Jr. is running this deep over, and I mean deep over, not at 20 yards, but to the end zone. And on the other side, I can't remember the receiver's name is running a bend corner. And they're playing this fire zone. You've got two safeties. So you got Danny Johnson, who is playing two Mims side. And he's dropping into this two zone, and Mims is the only. only vertical threat to his side, that all, only vertical threat. He's dropping seven yards

outside of him to the sideline. Like, who are you going to cover out there? There's nobody else out there. Now, it's not exclusively his fault because Derek Forrest gets held by the underneath corner around. And Mims ends up being in Forest Zone in the two-fire zone. He ends up being on forest. I force us to see that from the other side of the field. But you can immediately see Johnson look at the forest. He's like, where are you? for me it's like yeah but you had nothing else Johnston you should at least cut it

it should have been doubled and the throw that's got really on that place should have been tough to fend is the deep corner that you got to have underneath coverage drop into to turn down it was good it was perfect timing play call but bad safety play

right and then you get the third and five and who's 19 19 or 13 who's the 3rd? corner. Oh, it's a manual Forbes. Yeah, force.

The third and five of manual Forbes is sitting there kind of squatting on third and five and he just gets run by. Yeah. The other deep ball from MIMS, you mean? To MIMS. Yeah, and that was a hell

of a throw. Yeah. And you're like, wow, can they stop them? They figured it out, though. They figured it out. All right. By the way, before we, we'll take a break and we'll come back and we'll get the film breakdown in more detail. But I think I asked Smoot this earlier this week.

You know, most games actually don't get decided by one play. It's like four or five or six plays that are huge plays. If Jamin Davis doesn't strip sack and force that fumble, it's going to be 24 to 3 or 28 to 3. You're probably not coming back from that. I mean, that's the play in the game. And maybe watching the All-22, you don't feel it as much. But I mean, I couldn't believe what I was seeing. They could not stop them.

They had just returned to punt nearly 50 yards. And here they go, they're in the midst of doing it again. And Davis, who, by the way, Cooley is an athlete, he can really run. He makes the play that keeps him in the game. It keeps them from getting completely blown out. no he absolutely does the other part of this like if you go back and really

remember this game is Williams has got a 7-yard run for a first down on second and five and they call offensive holding which sets into a second 15 which in rhythm on first and 10 second five Denver was gashing

Washington and they get that hold penalty huge on powers I think and that was that was huge to put Seattle into the situation, Seattle, I think of Russell. Let's put Denver into the situation where you can go get that sack humble.

Because I don't know if they created on a first and 10 at that point in the game. Well, adding to that is you still have to take advantage of the play that keeps you in the game and the Jamie Davis play keeps you in the game. Because even if they punt on that drive, they're burning two more minutes or another minute and a half and they're going to take over deep in their own territory. And they've gone back-to-back three-and-out punts. down 21-3. But Washington, but Hal gets sacked on a second and 11, it's going to be third and 20, and he got face-masked on the next drive. So they may have been on the verge of punning it back

down 21-3 and really looking at 21-3 at halftime or worse, but that face mask kept that drive going and they ended up scoring and, you know, the rest is history after that, you know, Davis play, the face mask and the touchdown. All right, let's get to everything that you prepped for everybody. We will do that right after these words from a few of our sponsors. Hey, Washington, looking for the ultimate outdoor destination to watch upcoming games. We'll look no further than the bullpen. Yeah, that bullpen, the one right next to Nats Park in the heart of Navy Yard.

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Okay. But after the really the shit show of the first half that said, very fortunate to get the sack fumble, to come back in the second half and played a much better game. Early in the second or the third quarter,

Payne shows up, he's got a sack on a run-action play, and he's got a tackle for loss. Forbes gets a pick on what looks like it should have been a back-shoulder throw, but he really was a back-shoulder throw to Forbes. Chase Young comes up with a, big sack in the red zone. They make a stand when it's 35, 24 to hold them to three, which ended up being huge in that game.

Because Denver was really driving the ball. And I thought really came up and played big. You know, it's amazing what Russell Wilson can do with 48 seconds, though. Even at that,

then this is where you learn quick as a rookie. What is there? Have nine seconds left, something like that, before they throw the ball 15 yards and get out of bounds. There is one thing that Denver is trying to do in that position. And that's to throw the ball somewhere between 8 and 20 yards to the sideline.

Emmanuel Forbes is lined up outside of a fairly tight split receiver. He cannot get outside of who to make that catch to allow any Helmerie throw. The game is literally over. at that point. Before the nine-second play or whatever, however much time. Nine seconds, you're talking about the throw to Cortland Sutton for 16 yards that gives them a chance to throw the Hail Mary? Understandable because you're a rookie.

But there is one conversation that we're having before that play. They cannot get out of bounds. You cannot give them an easy four-second 16-yard play. You cannot. The game's over if they don't do that. I mean, the hell Mary is an unbelievably lucky play, right? It's bobbled around three times, and out of nowhere. It got bobbled backwards and we're making a play.

Sometimes I think they should just throw those up more. Just go help Mary. Hey, second eight, what do you want to do? Go, Mary. Well, you're going to get to Hal and everything, but real quickly. because I mentioned this yesterday, but for those that missed it, a lot of people think that Cortland Sutton didn't make that catch on the sideline and that the Hail Mary play shouldn't have ever happened.

Let me just repeat. They did review it and it was confirmed. They didn't stand on the call in the field. They confirmed. And if you watch it step for step on the TV copy, it's really, really hard to overturn with any sort of visual proof. It looks like the ball is in his hands

with that right foot just still barely on the ground, and he definitely toe taps and scrapes the grass with the left hand. And the bottom line is there's no evidence that he doesn't go to the ground maintaining control. So there are a lot of people that thought that that play was clearly a play that was not a catch, and they didn't review it. They did review it, and they confirmed the call on the field.

Right. Continue. Yeah, I didn't see it on tape a TV copy, but it sure looks good on the film version. Yeah. All right. So Sam Hill, what? He's a stud. Here's my overall thoughts on Sam Hill. Okay. He had great toys in the pocket. He had a ton of courage in the pocket and stood there and made big throws and got hit in the

face. He's not afraid. And he stayed in the pocket more than a lot of rookie quarterbacks will stay in the pocket pressure. He got through progressions. I thought he was good with his eyes. I thought he was good with his vision down the field. And I thought he was damn accurate, Kev. And you really watched this game.

Some of the throws he made, and most of the throws he made, were incredibly well-placed catchable ball into tight windows. I thought he was really accurate. I was impressed. I'm sure you were. Yeah, I was very impressed with him on Sunday. Very. I mean, you didn't see the game last week, held onto it a long time on a lot of sacks, got sacks six times,

had a bunch of balls deflected. Made some big-time throws, though, but it was not the performance he had on Sunday. Sunday was, I mean, I gave him an A-minus. I thought he was every bit of an A, somewhere around A-A-A-A-minus. No, you go, I mean, go through, I really almost have to go through the game with you. Please. Since I didn't consolidate. Early big throw to Dotson hanging in the pocket on a third down.

Yep. Awesome. First drive. Smart on a checkdown in a run-action situation where you don't have what you like. You go ahead and throw the check down. Great boot on the run throw out to the right. I thought that was it. Diami Brown made a great throw there.

Timing throughout consistently. He's got a great drive on the ball. He threw an out route out to his left in the second drive of the game. I mean, he can drive the ball from hash to sideline. He's got some velocity on it. It looks like he drives it. And I also love that it's not happy feet back there. It's that plant throw with a good release.

he can avoid sacks he's able to run around to move to make plays back there he's not trying to scramble but he can he hits Logan thomas on a scene ball in a honey hole in cover two taking a huge hit it was awesome watching him just operate

in the first half some of the negatives you know i thought he missed dockson on a third and five to end the first drive dotson was running a choice route on on the left and he ends up outbreaking, I think Hal was expecting an in-break there.

But when you're working at a choice route, and it was, I'm sure it was. They could confirm it, but if it was a true out, he would have sat on it. You're dead.

If you don't throw the choice, it's a choice checkdown. You can't go anywhere else. And he just came off it too early. That's not the one he got sacked on. The next play he was sacked on. You're talking about the second and five? It's the third and five.

Okay, so he took the sack on that one. Got it, yeah. Yeah, but once you come off that route, you have that to maybe check down. There's nothing else to go. There's not another progression that you're going to work. That's a cut-the-field and half play. Okay, I'm working the seven.

He doesn't even know what happened on here or a seven-field. You're one-man showing it. And it was a good route. I thought Dotson won. I thought he took a little bit long. than not a lot of like them to take, and I think he could have taken the middle of the field. I think that's where I'll miss it.

I think if you, those choice routes, we ran them with Joe Gibbs, call it Dodge. I don't know why to call it Dodge, because you're dodging defense, maybe. I ran it all the way through. Every coach I've been with is, as I ran besides Jim Zorn,

run the choice route. It's an outbreak at five yards, or it's an inside post break, a quick post, like a very quick post, five yards to the post. You're really not breaking it flat end. or you turn around and sit down. I think if he breaks to the post, Dotson, I think he's got something.

Still wins. Right. By the way, he was lucky to hold onto the ball on the sack. That was Randy Gregory. You're very lucky to hold onto that ball. But a great job to hold on to it. Yeah. So good.

Continue. Thought he could have climbed the pocket a little bit better. He took a sack on the second drive. He's trying to work quick game crossers, and 72 gets beat on the edge. Leno. But you're expecting to block him with the quarterback stepping up to five or six yards. And so he's trying to run him around the edge and he runs him into howl. He just got to climb that a little bit better.

Third and 15, he made a really risky throw to Dotson. And this is kind of one of my only negatives throughout the game, this idea. He's really trying, he had on the outside kind of a bunch set. He had a corner and go, like a corner takeoff. And then Dotson's running a bended inside, like a banana, the John Gruden, Y banana, but it would have been Z banana or whatever. And then he's got the running back out to the flat. Well, it's covered three, and the flat defenders drop to 14 yards.

You can't throw the banana. It should have been a pick. You've got to throw the short one, and his back might have a chance. sometimes you've got to give the back a chance, especially early in ballgames. You're talking about Gibson. Gibson was open on that one. Yeah, he's right open. On the checkdown, right open, yeah. Again, the checkdown on the third drive, third drive, third and seven, he misses Dotson on a dig.

But you miss it, just throw the swing to the back. Don't panic, you know. Boom, what's next? He turned it down. I thought it was there. you just throw the checkdowns. Throw the swing. See what we can get.

We might get it. There's a lot of third down sixes, seven, tens that I caught the ball at two yards and made one dude missed. Another third and seven on the fourth drive. And these are all very close play. Like, this isn't bad ball that we're talking about here. Third and seven on the fourth drive. He misses Terry running a corner route or an out route. Right.

Well, Terry gets hemmed up at the top of that route and comes out of that route way slower that I would have expected, and I'm sure how would have expected. He put it where he thought Terry was going to be. That wasn't a bad ball. Got it. Yeah, because I wrote down that that was an inaccurate throw, but you're saying Terry should have been there. He threw it to the right spot.

Yeah, if you watch it again, Terry is like five stutters out of the break, getting caught up with the DB. I don't, and that's a tough one to know it's going to take him an extra, even if we're talking about an extra quarter of a second or half second, it changes where he thinks he's going to be. So, like, it's a miss, but I don't think it's, I don't think we're talking about bad ball. Um, the next drive, what, they scored right before the half, right? They scored before the half. They scored a touchdown and got the two-point conversion.

No, I got, I got a half-time mark here. And then they scored again. The field goal, yeah. Second 20 throws a dig to Terry in the middle of the field, big-time throw. I wrote great poison in the pocket here. Um, down on the goal line, he had one batted. The third goal, they got no chance. I don't like that. rub route concept where you're thrown to Logan Thomas at two yards, unless he's going to be wide. If he's not wide open, we're getting tackled on the two. Coolie, I hated that call, too.

It was one of the only calls of the game that I didn't like from BNamee, because I thought he called a great game. But I think that's an RPO. And I think he should have kept it. It's not an RPO. Are you sure? Look at the line. It's old school.

It is old school Bill Walsh, West Coast. Everyone in the world runs it. I can get the dots and two that side. You're going to run five. yards vertical at the inside receiver who's trying to create a pick, and you're trying to pick that defender, and essentially your job is trying to make sure he goes over the top of you, so he's got a rally, then bubble over the top, and you get that flat route, or he can just turn and run an extent.

Well, then they've got linemen downfield illegally. Did they? Well, if they called it RPO, they called it RPO. I like, that's fine. But if not, that ball still, that's a ball that's going to be out in two seconds, one way or another. You're throwing the five-yard stick or you're throwing the flat right now. So specifically, we're talking about the third and goal before they go for the fourth and goal and he throws the great ball to Logan Thomas when Thomas gets knocked out by Kareem Jackson.

The third goal from the four is the throw. I think it's an RPO. You think it's whatever. But there's a... I don't watch close enough to see if they're trying to attempt around the ball. I saw the play. I assumed they were running a passing play. We could go look at it.

But there's another part of this that I didn't like that you haven't mentioned yet. But I want to let you finish why you didn't like this call. Well, what I didn't, maybe it is an RPO because I'm thinking on the backside of it, they just ran two-state routes on the goal line. I think it's an RPO because the linemen are blocking downfield. Yeah, but to me it's a tough, like, it could be. Okay, whatever. You're hoping for leverage, but you're trying to see where that pick occurs.

You're not seeing where the pick occurs and then deciding to hand the ball off. You've got to hand the ball off before that pick really occurs. What I don't like about that play is even if it gets slightly covered on the three, two and a half yard line, the tight end or the flat route runner can still turn and at least reach the ball out of the goal line. From the floor, if it gets covered, it's hard to get four yards on a flat. flat running that, running towards the sideline, directly towards the sideline, and get those four yards. Right.

I also have a pet peeve with those routes where I would teach it that your tight end starts and takes a direct angle at about a quarter of a yard into the end zone, a foot into the end zone. But what's hard to do, if you don't take a, what would you call a higher angle into the end zone, the ball always flattens you out and brings you back downhill. So if you start to flatten yourself out, the ball will flatten you further, and he's going to catch that ball about a yard now.

He can reach it out a yard. Just a tough call on the four-yard line to get in. The other reason I didn't like this is because Sam's been, in the first game, the two touchdowns they scored, were him off schedule in the red zone, inside the five-yard line or inside the six-yard line, making a throw to Brian Robinson, junior off-schedule, scrambling and scrambling it in for a touchdown. And I want to give him a chance to be off-schedule and make a play here, and that play call doesn't give him that chance.

Well, it does. If he's going to scramble. Well, if it's an RPO, he's either handing it. to Gibson or he's making the quick throw on the out to Logan. I mean, he could turn and scramble, but it's not a drop back. Yeah. Anyway, what about the next play? I would doubt that's an RPO call on the goaling.

Okay. What about the next play? Fourth and goal they go forward at the fore. What an absolute perfect ball on the next play to Logan Thomas. I mean, you're going to take a hit there if you're Logan Thomas. You know that. And that ball has got to be, he had to have enough elevation to clear the linebacker or the underneath coverage. It's a tight, tight window throw.

He put it in the only place. I thought he caught it. What do you mean? It was perfect. He did catch it. What? Did they go for two the next wave in? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, God, that's so funny. Yeah, no, it was a touchdown. And then they went for two because of the penalty. They had the penalty. That's why it said one. I actually saw the hit on the highlight, and I remember to God about watching it.

And I was like, why is it say first and one? Right, got it. Right. That's where I, it's a horseshit hit. We're at the point in the league where we understand that's not, that's not available. I don't care if it's in the... You cannot...

I see that he's trying to turn his shoulder and use his shoulder. But you can't use your shoulder and elevate to the shoulder going up into the head. But even if you're using your shoulder, it's impossible to not have helmet contact. And so you're going to have helmet contact if you go upward towards the head.

It's a... It's a... I mean, the dude has gotten fined the week before. it's dog shit. You can't do that. Part of the league. Part of the rules. It's very clear and defined.

I said earlier, I don't know if I like the Jamie Davis hands of Wilson's head and some of the quarterback stuff, and I don't like some of the calls. But that is, that penalty is getting called in 2004. Yeah, no, you're right. Yeah, this is, yeah, this is really, I mean, Kareem Jackson has to know. By the way, I'm surprised he didn't get suspended. in this day and age. He did not. And not just because of that hit

because he's gone back-to-back weeks. But more importantly, now that you know that that was the touchdown, you were super impressed with the throw. How about the catch? Oh, unbelievable catch. I mean, to hang on to that is amazing. It's funny, though, like, the hang-on is amazing.

But if I'm the route runner, I know that's where the ball's going to be. I know it is. Yeah. That's the way we practiced it, too, because when we practice that, you've got to throw under, like, over the top of the underneath coverage. It's all so tight in the red. It's condensed and tighten the red zone.

The perfect throw is amazing catch. It's a hell of a play. And I'm an idiot for even mentioning that. It's okay. No, and when you're watching the All-22, it pops up as first and one for the two-point conversion. People need to understand. You're not walking.

I just start clicking through. I don't want the field goals. Yeah. extra points. All right. Hell of a play. It's a hell of a play. Hell of a throw.

So what about the next drive when they get the ball back and they get a field goal before the half? So the only one I don't like on the next drive is he's got to throw away to the left on a run action early. They're not all big throws, Kev. They don't all have to be big throws. But if you watch the run action, it might have been the first play. I think it was the first play.

Getsons wide open in the flat. It's going to be eight yards. And he's going to get out of bounds if you want him get out of It's just throw a flat. When you see underneath coverage that soft, the flat's open. It was soft. It goes back and really throws a nice ball in the middle of the field on a sit route to Trude Samuel.

He then has that scramble play where they call holding on Charles Leno that's not holding, man. It wasn't. When the quarterback's past you and then the guy tried to turn and run and you push him, you're pushing him. I don't understand how I can hold someone when I'm pushing them forward. It's not holding. Okay.

I don't know. That's my opinion on it. The quarterback was already passed. The defensive lineman is trying to react downfield, and Leno pushes him over. I love the way he scrambles, and by the way, he's a natural slider as well. Yeah, good slide. I mean, safe. He was safe a lot. You could steal second.

Freaking hell of a shot down the sideline in the cover two hole again. To taking a hit. To Bates. To Bates. Again, it's funny because I did watch the game. I'm like, the next play I'm looking at coverage, I'm like, well, it must be half. Denver's all in the end zone. I wish they showed you the time.

You know, and I had when I was watching film when I had not all 22, like real film, they pan to the scoreboard and showed time down and distance every single play. Right. It would be nice. Yeah. Dude, I don't know.

Like, he can go through it. He really played well the rest of the game. You know, he's got the... How about the throw to Terry for the touchdown? Oh, my God. What an awesome throw. And here's the thing. Like, that safety, it has a chance to get into it.

But he is flat-footed that ball leaves house hand. The safety in the middle of the field. Terry's going to win. We're going to trust Terry to win our guy against his guy. I got to trust him that he's going to win. Safety's what I've got to do with the quarterback. He is great with his eyes,

holding the safety as long as he possibly can to that backside in-rout. He holds him as long as he can, and that safety does a pretty good job, staying in a gray area where I don't know what to throw, but he's flat-footed. It's an excellent read. Big-time throw to Terry. Loved it. Yeah.

You know, after the interception, they come back, he misses Dotson on a dig who's wide open. He does throw a checkdown. Then you have the stack fumble. But when you look at the stack fumble, if you look at it close, I'm pretty sure it's Terry and then Curtis Samuel. They're both running crossing routes.

They run into each other and knock each other down. Exactly, yeah. So it's like, oh, shoot. Good point. That's a tough one. On that play, though, can I just ask you something real quickly? Is he at the right depth, or does he need to step up? I think he can step up.

But at the same time, he is throwing the crosser. Like, it's coming out in timing. Okay. It becomes a problem when your two guys smash into each other. And it's, however you coach the shallow crosses, there's always one coach to go over the top of the other. you know who the one is. They don't decide once they start running crossers.

One is deemed the over. Right. And one is deemed the shallow. Got it. However they call it. I mean, they decide that. It looks like they were confused on this one. Because...

I thought I thought I was the shallow. Well, you always want to be the shallow. Because the over is really the pickrow. The shallow is the guy you're trying to throw the ball to. And then the over is the guy you can hit later. He'll sit down afterwards and hit it later. Yeah, it's funny because when you watch us on the All-22, you can see Diami, Brown, and Curtis Samuel both, I think, believe they are the under. But it looks like Diami realizes at the last second, no, maybe it's not me.

I was the over. And then they just collide. It's too late. It's actually a perfect coaching tape for how you run that pick route into the defender. Yeah. try to make sure it's not your guy. Yeah. By the way, also, like in basketball, you want to be, you can't be, no moving picks. All right, let's try to set that one down and make sure that they run right into you. And you're, by the way, cover up your junk on those picks.

All right, what else? By the way, the easiest way, and like, I was always pretty good at this, you know the direction you want the guy to go. Like, if you're there over and you have your guy coming underneath you, you want the guy to go over the top of the, you're trying to say, at the angle. But what you're really trying to do is create that interaction. Like when you're in a hallway or some tight space with people walking, have you ever had that moment where you walk and somebody's coming to you? And one person steps one way and you step that same way. You're like,

oh, oh, oh. What way are we going to go? You know, I actually do that on purpose still a lot of times. Oh, God. You're the way. Of course you do. Of course you do. Let me make somebody feel really uncomfortable if I can do it. Walk at them and they'll start, most people will start to take like a slight angle away from you. And you can't be looking up because it's obvious. But just start moving on that angle that they're at and then you create this weird. Like, ooh, ooh, yeah.

Don't okay me. What happens? What's what you do? Sorry, Jamie. Hold on, hold on. One quick thing. One quick thing. One quick thing.

Go off 28, 24. Go ahead. after the sack, this was an important part in the game, and I don't know if you got the flavor of it. Ron actually sends Joey Sly out to kick a 59-yard field goal in a game where his defense is now dominating, and a lot of people thought that was a big mistake. What did you think?

They think he should have punted. Denver, man. 59-yarders of a 54-yarder. Exactly. That's what I said. It's 52-yarder in one. weather, according to the science. It's a great day in Denver with, at a mile high, kicking that field goal.

Yeah. I'm trusting my kicker to make that, to make that field goal. If he says to me, hey, look, I got, if we had to, I got 64 in Denver today. I feel good at 58, 59. I feel good about it. And I'm kicking a field goal. I don't have a problem with that field goal. The other part of the context there, and you probably don't know this, is they've had

some snapping issues with their long snapper. He basically rolled one back on the first miss field goal. It's like four games, if you include the preseason, where he's had at least one bad snap. They brought in five long snappers yesterday, but they decided to keep Cameron Cheesman, who is the guy who's their long snapper. But anyway, all right, continue.

I'm really regretting not transferring my career, not just sticking around. Long snapper? and snapping. I can snap. I bet you can. I wasn't great at it, but if you said to me today, hey Chris, why don't you spend the next three months snapping? And like I would go out in a field, like, what was that movie,

Necessary Roughness with the Old Quarterback where he threw it at the tire? Great movie. What's her face in that movie? Kathy Ireland. Kathy Ireland, yeah. I'd go out in a field and I'd just say, snap into a tire for three, four hours a day? I'd have that down so fast. You know Ryan Keel. Ryan Keel listens to this podcast all the time, and he's probably

listening right now. Ryan's such a great, great dude. He, I mean, he had a 12-year career as a long snapper. I mean, if you can perfect that, it's pretty good money. And by the way, you know, Right now, Ryan kills like, no, dude, you would not just snap for three months and go to an NFL game. Exactly. But you know what? No, I did it. You know, I think I've told you this. During my senior year, our coaches won.

I mean, they knew that I was going to play in the league, but not exactly what and where and how. Like, you've got to learn how to long snap. So I long snap for two games, and the first game did fine. And we played in North Texas. and I literally rolled one to the punter, like, onside kick snap to the punner. And I was like, I'm done. I'm not doing that ever again. No, it's much, not only that, it's the pressure. I mean, you have one job.

And by the way, you can't get hit anymore. They can't hit the long snapper. You have... No, and no one cares if the longsnapper can actually make a tackle. That's great, but all we really need is, like, just try to push him in the direction. Push him towards a real tackler. And you know what you do as a long snapper on a day-to-day basis? Nothing.

Fucking nothing at practice. There's no real film to watch. How many times am I going to watch them punt return to see where the guy's going to go? Or who's going to block me? Give me an hour and I'm pretty sure I got that down for the week. Like, it's the day, it's the best day ever. What's the rookie minimum or veteran minimum now, too? I'd be making like 850 a year.

Just hanging out, trading stocks in the players' lounge, eating free lunch, getting all kinds of gear, and jogging down the field here and there. With my head on a swivel. The average salary for a long snapper right now is $1,069,000 a year. So basically just $1.1 million is the average for a long snapper. And the reason that you can't hate that is because Washington just worked out five, Long snappers. There's just not that many dudes. I should have done it.

I could have done it, Ryan. I could have definitely done it. All right. Continue with Sam Hal's second half. You know what? If I'd have done long snapping, though, I'd have never, never worked with you. No, we wouldn't really know each other that well.

And I don't think you'd be as good at golf as you are right now. And I'm not sure you'd be living in Wyoming right now. probably would be in Wyoming would definitely be as good at golf because honestly I'm 10 years in the league and we have a team meeting at 830 and practices at 2

I'm going to play golf no one really knows where I'm at I'm a long snapper like hey where you're at man in the bathroom I'll be back in a minute no one's paying attention to me

nobody ever paid attention to Nick Sundberg no And the other thing with the long snapper is like, I do like I would want to play on the practice team because I would get to play football every day. The long snapper doesn't even play on the practice squad because you can't get him hurt. Right. It's like this, he's George Costanza when he's bubble boy. Exactly.

All right. What about Sam in the second half? They have big throws. I mean, it's a huge throw to Turner in the end zone to go of 2824. Huge throw. I like Turner. shuffle my papers because I'm sitting outside and the wind just blew it over.

That was a big throw. Well, that wasn't into the end zone though, but yeah, it was close to the end zone. It got down to the two-yard line, right? Yeah, you got to score there for your turn. I mean, you just got to score. But you like Cole Turner. I do.

I think he's got some burst. I think he's got some stuff to him. You get that last drive. And thank you, Fabian Moreau on a third and seven sack where he's holding. Right. Thank you. That was critical.

But like even up 28, 24, you've got to boot. He's rolling right. Smart play. Just nothing there. Let's just scramble and get three. I'll become the checkdown late and get three and we'll survive. And I think I got after the score to go up 28, 24, he played smart. He played within himself.

I really do. I really have. I really think he played very well. The set. As a second, as a second game, really, the starter was third. but is a second game. It's an A. It's an A performance for what's really a rookie or a second year player.

It was awesome. I was very impressed with him. I'd give him an A. All right. One question, follow up on howl, and then we'll get to whatever else you went through, including Eric B. Enemy's play calling and game plan. But last week, a big part of the conversation, and you didn't see the Arizona game, was essentially six sacks, who was at first.

fault. And a lot of the, you know, now what we like to refer to as the amateur film breakdown guys on the internet, they all believe that it was pretty much all Sam. Ron kind of spoke to it being mixed. I went through all of them. First of all, there were a couple of sacks that were more kind of line of scrimmage losses. But I thought he definitely held onto the ball too long. I also thought the offensive line was getting beat pretty badly. There were four sacks in this game, and you just mentioned, I mean, there was another one where Fabian Moreau was holding, and so that one got wiped away. Did you have any sense of fault on the sacks? Because that is one of the things that people said about him coming in is that he holds onto the ball too long and he takes a lot

of sacks. I think one criticism was it doesn't always have to be the deep shot down the field. another one, the Leno one, I think, was a combination. Leno has a beat, but if he steps up and climbs, he's probably got an opportunity. You know, he had another sack where he gets facemassed, and it's not a sack. But I thought he played with pretty good poison, stayed in the pocket and stayed in rhythm in this game. And I also would credit Be Enemy a lot, and we'll get to that, with keeping him in rhythm and keeping Denver off balance. So I think that helped him a lot, too. sack fumble is definitely on the two receivers.

Wait, what is you? I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I would not hear, after watching the two receivers banging into each other, yeah, on the, on the overall. I would not in any way. I would say, he is going to take some hits, throw on the ball down the field. The line is average. Not great. But it was adequate in this game and very adequate for what the game plan was.

And I would not say he's a lost dog back there. just wandered around. He knows what he's doing. I think he could be more, I think he could be quicker, getting the ball checked down. But I think in terms of making Smith of throws down the field

and knowing where his reeds were, he was very decisive. He also high lows in the intermediate range really well. Like if you have a five-yard route and a 12-yard route behind it, you've got a great sense for that. All right, let's get to... I don't see it as a problem.

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It threw the ball 30 times in the first half. And it wasn't because they were down 21 to 3 or 14 to 3 or whatever the point in the game was. It was because that is how he envisioned moving the ball against his Denver Broncos. And even throwing it 30 times, they created rhythm. they created nuisance plays, they had screens, they had great, great timing offsets that make it hard on a defense

to get after a quarterback in rush. It is really hard to just set back and rush, especially in early downs when you've got to defend running back screen, you've got to defend the bubble. They ran it enough to stay honest. Amazingly, I don't feel like they were unbalanced in terms

of how the game felt. Clearly, statistically, they're unbalanced. But in the way the game felt and watching it, there's nothing that I'm watching formationally, motion-wise, down-and-distance-wise, that I feel like this is clearly a path. And also, if you really think about those seven runs, I'll bet you four of them were on second and three or less for a first down. At least three of them were. I'm sure three of them were. Some of the inside zone stuff were all second three. You said 30 pass attempts, which is true, but there were 36 pass play calls if you count sacks and penalties.

So it was 36 to 7 on their 43 offensive snaps in the first half. I mean, that's not being in my opinion. I don't think he's pass happy. Right. I think that's how he envisioned beating the Denver Broncos. And it's probably because as you start a game, you're not big enough, tough enough up front to just run the ball of people. So why are we going to bang our head against the wall and create? I bet you they practiced this way.

I bet you they ran exponentially more plays on the past game in practice. Situationally, they probably threw the ball more, and this was the plan. And I think he operated and executed a plan how he wanted to. And even at 21, and it was huge for them to score in the first half, but they never got out of game plan. They never got out of rhythm offensively. So the other thing with being to me that I love, in doing this, he created a rhythm for Howell so confident early in the game.

It was awesome the way he mixed some formations. He went four by one and threw a screen to it. He went three by two. Motion to get to stack sets. He created good looks for Howl where Howe could cut the field and a half or how could see safety rotation by motion and by changing some of the things, personnel groupings and formation. I really like that.

The nuisance plays were great. That's what I call them that now because Al Saunders always do. We got nuisance plays. Well, Nusons plays like, hey, we're just going to throw the ball out there to Terry McLorn and see if we can get three. But it changes the rush of a delinement. You're going to really get after it. You're getting your hands up. I don't know.

A first intense screen to the tight end is awesome. They ended up being big. They come back with a fly sweep after that. They had a screen late in the game where they're in a bunch set and the motion away from a bunch, and Robinson comes from the other side of the quarterback into it, and it's a huge play on a screen. Another excellent screen to Gibson. I mean, what, probably six or seven running back screens throughout the game. And the chiefs were terrific in doing that for the last 10 years.

They've been awesome at it, and it was integrated immediately. I think we sat here 10 times last year and said, you know, a screen is a play in the NFL. It works really good, Turner. and I think the mix of all of that worked really well. The past concepts throughout the game to create for Howell I thought were excellent. I thought Denver played some of it well in the back end where there's going to be deep shots. They're going to create some deep shots.

I think they will be able to run the ball a little better moving forward because you've got to be able to defend Howe on the path. I was surprised that Denver didn't bring more pressures throughout. But I think Bionemi adjusted accordingly. and did a phenomenal job. I think it was an A for B enemy. Yeah. One or two calls that I thought,

eh, and that's it. No, the last thing that I wrote down, I wanted to mention it. Again, it's almost like the Al Saunders theory. Let's get every single player involved in the game plan and get them all involved early. McClure and five receptions, Spades three, Gibson three, Brown three, Dotson three, Samuel three, Robinson, two, Logan Thomas, a couple.

Everyone's involved. Byron Pringle caught a ball. Yeah. Turner had two. Pringles, by the, by the way, number three, if you noticed him. Yeah. I mean, every single, what they had, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten players with a reception and nine with at least two. Yeah, impressive. I love that in the offensive coordinator, man. There are games where Pooka Nakua is going to catch 25 balls in two games, and he's our offense.

I loved games where everyone had five receptions. It was fun. We're all involved. We're playing together. And I thought he had the offense very organized. I thought they played fast. I thought they played together. I thought they played in rhythm.

And I think they stayed in-game plan. the entire game. So it would be an A for B enemy as well. And they ran the ball in the second half. They came back and they started running the ball very effectively in the second half. Yep. Robinson Jr., man. Yeah, and that's my last thing, and then I got to bounce. But Robinson Jr. was awesome. It's run after the catch on a couple of the screens. The ability to power run, but to get through tight holes, like he's got this little hop step, this subtle little jump cut. It's not really a big cut. It's just a hesitation cut. And find a way to get skinny through

some holes is awesome. Really good. And I thought Robinson, who was not really involved in the game much, had a couple huge plays. Obviously, the screen was huge. Gibson, you're talking about Gibson. Yeah, Gibson. And the screen was huge.

And then he had a big run in the fourth quarter for a first half. Yeah, I agree. You know, he only had two carries, but he had a, he had a, big run in the fourth quarter to get him first down, and he had the big play on the screen for like third, 25, something like that. And he could have had five or six more receptions, what I thought was being open on the flat. But it was a fun game to watch.

It really was. It was fun game to watch on film. It was fun to watch Hal. I'm really excited for Hal. I'm excited for some of the young receivers. I think there's a ton of talent there. You look at McCorn, and I think Josh Dawson's got something really special about him. Diommy Brown seems like he's coming on.

You said what did you say? Pringle's number three, right? Yeah. He's quick. I was going to ask you real quickly, because I thought this was the case last week, and I thought it was the case again this week, other than some miscommunications between the two receivers running the crosser. And I actually thought there were one or two times,

and I didn't point this out, where receivers were kind of close to one another. But through the first two games, it just looks like people are open. Did you see that? I saw that, absolutely. And I saw where they're close to each other. Yeah, what's that about? There was one that Howell in the second drive of the game. Yeah.

And it hits Logan Thomas in the middle of the field. And they're running like two in-rout. One, I think it was Pringle on the left. And then it was Logan Thomas on the right. Both running, like kind of race-in routes. We always call them race-rout. Like it's a race-in. and you have, you know, an underneath, a guy underneath both of them at five-yard turning in and out,

or on Thomas's side, it was like an angle in, and you just read the high-loing coverage. It got tight. I mean, it was, they really hit each other after the catch. Right. It was tight. And it, I mean, you might sit there and say Pringle, maybe, who knows how they called it, but, like, in a lot of instances like that, Pringle young player, maybe his line that's three yards tight.

So maybe you want him to push that stem on that side more vertical instead of, it in. And they're both, you know, I don't know. I've seen this concept a lot of times. It just, it ran into each other quick. And by the way, that was an awesome throw. On that point, we're talking about it on the second drive. Um, this was awesome. I mean, this, this is something that everybody's, that everybody's going to enjoy. You know, they play Buffalo this week, at home, second straight sellout, uh, at home at home at FedEx on Sunday. They are Six and a half point dogs at MyBooky. Go to MyBooky.orgie.

Use my promo code, Kevin D.C. And you'll get $200 into your account if you make a deposit of $50 or more. Six and a half they're getting at home against Buffalo. Any chance you want to preview that game a little bit on Friday? Or do you want to just do film next week? I'll preview it with you. All right. We don't want to...

Josh Allen. We won't promise it. but we'll effort to do that on Friday and that'll work well. And certainly next week on Wednesday to do what you did today next week for the Buffalo game would be awesome. Sam Hall and A, Eric B. Enamey and A. Defense, what was going on early, Sean Payton, two, five steps ahead of everybody, but they came back. And I don't know what else you said. You said a lot and we learned a lot.

Appreciate it. Go. Do it. you need to do. Thanks for having me on your show, Kevin. Thanks for having me on your show. That's it for the day back tomorrow with Tommy. Patrick Ramsey, rolling right, looking deep, has a man wide open. Rod Gardner. Beautiful fingertip catch at the 10-yard line laid out, flat out, and he makes the grab inside the 10. He drops the easy wins and catches the difficult ones. That was a great catch and a great throw by Patrick on a kind of a speed pattern where he runs to is right to deliver the ball downfield. And remember, guys, this is against the win.