The Kevin Sheehan Show - Cooley Film: Highest Grade For Heinicke

Episode Date: November 16, 2022

Cooley and Kevin today starts with some overall NFL discussion including Washington's path to the playoffs in the NFC. Then it's Cooley's "Film Breakdown" of the win Monday night in Philly. He was impressed with the offense to say the least.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it. You don't need it. But you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Cheehan Show. He is Kevin. Coolie is here. I am here on this Wednesday. I do not know what Coolly has prepared,

but he's going to explain what drip means to me here shortly. But I wanted to read this very nice review, and we've gotten a lot of these nice reviews recently. And if you haven't reviewed us on Apple in particular, You can give us five stars and write a couple of sentences on how much you love the show. That is really helpful to us. This came from Xander. Cooley on Heineke can't shoot 72, but can make a par when he needs it on 17 and 18,

with one of the best moments and best analogies on a show that's had plenty of them. I love you guys when the two of you are together talking ball and almost anything else. my favorite show. Kev, other guys in town always assume the former player is right. You don't, and I love that about you. Keep it up. Thanks to the both of you. That was from Xander. Yes, I think X-A-N-D-E-R would be X-A-N-D-R would be the correct pronunciation. It wouldn't be Ex-Zander, I don't think. Like, X-A-V-I-E-R is Xavier, not Ex-Zavier. But some people pronounce I think I got it right. I'm sure you got it right. I think I got it right. From Melvin. Exander would have to be like E-X. Well, yes, probably. You never know how names are. It is funny.

You just never know how people spell and pronounce names. I have heard. You don't want to assume. I have heard people pronounce X-A-V-I-E-R, X-S-A-V-E-R, X-S-A-V-E-R, you know, X-A-Svier. I'm talking about the person who has the name. So maybe that's just different than Xander with an X. I don't know. Melvin sent us a note, do you think all four NFCE teams can make the playoffs? Is that even allowed? Thank you, Melvin.

Melvin gave us five stars as well. It is allowed, and it's only possible now because you have three wild cards, which we went to in 2020 for the first year, seven conference teams, into the postseason. And yes, there is a possibility. All four NFC East teams can make the postseason.

Right now, Philadelphia, the Giants, and the Cowboys look pretty solid, although the Cowboys, you know, after losing on Sunday and blowing that 14-point lead, they have the Vikings this week. They still have the Eagles and the Giants again. By the way, the Cowboys and Giants on Thanksgiving Day will do a massive audience. already the Cowboy Green Bay game from Sunday was the highest rated game of the year on any of the NFL networks. And on Thanksgiving Day, Cowboys Giants will be huge. But yeah, I think, I mean, right now, Cooley, you want me to give you a quick rundown?

Have you been following the playoff situations here or not? Closely. Okay. So let's just assume Philly wins the NFL. East. I mean, it's possible that they won't. I mean, the Giants, they still have two games with the Giants. So the Giants, if they ended up beating Philadelphia, sweeping them, could win the division. They still have another game with the Cowboys. But the Cowboys losing that game to the Packers, you know, hurts. But let's just say the Cowboys win the NFC East. Minnesota wins the NFC North. Those are safe bets at this point.

Tampa, you know, for just pick one, wins the NFC South. And Tampa, you know, but right now has a full game lead over Atlanta. And the key here, okay, the key to Washington having a chance for the seven seed, which by the way, they could, you know, they could end up overtaking the Giants or the Cowboys. They still have two games with the Giants and a game with the Cowboys. The key is the NFC West, the way I see it. Seattle is six and four, a half game ahead of the 49ers who are five and four. But Seattle has two games with the horrific Rams who have lost Cooper Cup now for the next six weeks.

They have a game with the Raiders, the Panthers. They do have the Niners one more time. They have the Chiefs and they have the Jets. But they're going to win four more games. They're going to get to 10. And then the 49ers are five and four Cooley. And they play the Cardinals and the Saints the next two weeks, all right, favorites. And good chance for them to get to seven.

seven and four. They still have the Raiders and the Cardinals at the end of the year. That would probably get them to nine. And really, they will be, you know, right now a favorite over Washington on Christmas Eve. So it's the NFC West that you've got to be concerned with because they, the division winner and the second place team probably have pretty good chances to get to 10. Now, if you think Washington can win five of their final seven to get to 10, and one of them's against the 49ers on the road on Christmas Eve? Well, they could get in. Can you imagine the fourth place team in the division having 10 wins in all four teams?

That's the way I see it. I think it's going to be tough if you win nine. I thought nine would do it before, but I think both teams in the West are going to have 10 wins. What do you see? I don't know if Seattle, absolutely. get to 10 wins. I'm not a huge believer in the Seattle Seahawks. I'm super impressed with what they've done early in the season with Gino Smith, but I don't, and I agree that they're going to play

some teams. They're going to play the Rams twice, and the Rams are horrible right now, and Wofford's not good, and Cooper Cups out, but I don't just think of the gimmy that they beat the Rams. Seattle's not a juggernaught team. And somehow try to run the ball, and they should play great defense, but if Wofford gets a little bit better, I think the Rams have a shot to beat them, one of those couple games. I think San Francisco without question is going to win the division. I don't know if, I think San Francisco is a team that could win out. They have everyone healthy right now.

They're playing great ball. They have more weapons right now than I think anybody else, really. I mean, the Vikings have great weapons, but San Francisco stacked. And they're the best defense in the league. I think San Francisco is the best team in the NFC right now. I think they're better than the Eagles. I think they're better than the Vikings, and I think they're the best team in the NFC.

I just think that they've been banged up early in the year, but they're not banged up at this point. I don't disagree with you. I don't disagree with you. I love the Niners. Yeah. But the issue then is really Seattle. I mean, you go through the Niners, seriously, offensively.

If Doropolo can play and they stay balanced, then they're in great shape. You have Debo Samuel and Iyuk and Kiddon. and Christian McCaffrey and the other dude who ran it Sunday night was terrific. It's a loaded team. I don't think Garoppel is a great quarterback, but the offense is so stacked, it should be balanced. I'm not a huge believer in the Dallas Cowboys, but I think that they're good enough to beat bad teams. I think they'll beat any bad teams they play.

So I think Dallas is, I think Dallas Kev is in pretty good shape. the giants, the crazy thing about the Giants is they have beaten the Packers and the Ravens. And the Packers are, before last week, it looked like a nothing win. The Ravens, that's a good win, but they beat the Titans, the Panthers, the Bears, the Jags, the Texans. Those are not impressive wins, in my opinion. And they're playing a schedule coming up with Detroit, Dallas, Washington, Philly, Washington, and then Minnesota, they get the Colton. They can lose five games, and I would not be surprised.

I like the way they're coach, and I think it's a team that is going to be good in the future, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a Giants team not make the playoffs, if that's crazy. Tampa Bay is a team that I think is finally coming on and is healthy, and I think Tampa Bay is really the clear winner in that God-aw. awful division in the south, but then you're like, what is Atlanta?

You know, and it's amazing that a three and seven Panthers team who's not going to make it, they're starting Baker-Mapel, but they're still alive in that division. Well, what about Green Bay? I mean, tomorrow night is their season. If they can beat Tennessee, all of a sudden, in, you know, four days, they've won two games against the Cowboys and the Titans, and they're sitting there at five and six. And then you look at them the rest of the women. They've won, like, five out of six since they had that bad start. But I'm going to... The team of Green Bay is...

They play the Titans, the Eagles. The Bears are going to be tough. But Green Bay uses it dominates the bears for some reason. But then they still... They finished with Minnesota and Miami and the last of Detroit. They have some tough games. They essentially have to win all the games that they have them. I mean, Green Bay's four and six.

They don't have to win them all. They don't have to win them all. They have to win. they got to win at least five to get to nine and eight to have a chance. Yeah, and in that they got to win two out of the next three. Definitely. I think to do that. 100%.

Yeah. So I'm not like dead sold on Green Bay. We talked about Green Bay a little bit on Monday. I think it's a team with too much conflict. I want to go back to. I want to go back to Seattle because for the first time this year, I actually watched them start to finish in the game. Sunday morning from Munich. I was impressed. I was impressed with Gino Smith. I think one of the things,

and I asked Jay Gruden about this, I don't know, two weeks ago, three weeks ago when he was on the podcast. You know, we were talking about in Seattle and I said, what is it about a guy like Gino Smith who just hangs around, hangs around, hangs around, and then all of a sudden, at 32 he's having, you know, this season. And he said, well, the one thing about Gino Smith that everybody knew when he came out of Florida State, he could make every throw. He said that was never a doubt with Gino. Out of West Virginia, I meant. I was thinking about the other guys, CJ E.J. Manuel. Gino Smith, he said, could make every throw. We knew it when he came out.

And, you know, it was just some guys, the light goes on and they figure it out after a while. It takes a while to learn how to play the position, but he can make every throw. I thought something else was really evident to me watching Gino Smith Sunday. He can make plays. he's got a super quick release too. And Kenneth Walker is a great back. Now, they could not run it against Tampa on Sunday. That was a real problem for them on Sunday.

But I like some of their defensive players. I think they're well-coached. And I look at what they have the rest of the way. They've already got six wins. They've got the Raiders, they've got a buy week. Then they have the Raiders. They've got the Rams and the Panthers. I mean, the Rams on the road,

I think the Rams are done. I know you don't want to think they're done with Sean. Oh, I have no problem with them being done. I mean, Matt Stafford's clearly not healthy. You know, he's got an issue with that elbow, and now he doesn't have his best receiver. And Super Cups their offense. Exactly.

So I think they could easily win the next three, and then they're sitting there at nine and four, and then really the rest of the way, they almost have to, you know, win one to get to the seven seat. You know, and maybe they lose to the 49ers and the Chiefs, okay? They've got the Jets and the Rams at home to finish up their season. They'd get one of those. I think Seattle's...

The Jets are are a good football team. I know they are. I understand that. I just think that there's a path and not a super hard path for a team that's much more impressive than I knew before Sunday and watching them against Tampa Bay. You know, they had a chance there at the end. after Brady threw that interception, and, you know, they scored, they scored that, then they fumbled the ball back. But they were down 21-16, you know, one stop away after that weird Brady interception, where he threw it right to the linebacker in the middle. I forget who it was, who picked it off.

I just don't, I think you're shorting Seattle a little bit. And the giant thing is a very interesting conversation, too, because, you're. Because the giants play the lions, the Washington twice, the Colts. Now they do play the Eagles twice, but they've already got, you know, they're already sitting there with seven wins. Their games against Washington are going to be huge. But it's almost like Washington almost has to sweep the giants to pass them. I think that's, I'm not saying that they can't beat the Giants once.

Do you think they're going to sweep them? I like Washington right now. I mean, it's funny because in the NFC, as I'm looking at these teams, I'm kind of with you on Dallas. I don't trust Dallas. But I think I trust everybody else. I trust Philadelphia. I think I trust the Giants actually a little bit more because of their ability to win these games.

They're supposed to win, and they've got a bunch of those. I trust Minnesota much more after last week. Tampa to get it together. I definitely trust the 49ers. I don't trust Arizona at all, but they're four and six. But you got Colt McCoy played a great game. You know what? They're better off with Colt McCoy. I really am, I'm just not a Kyler Murray guy. With those, with the weapons that they have a receiver, a lot of Arizona is, can we just distribute the ball? Yeah, and Kyler-Marie doesn't distribute the ball. Not well enough.

Nope. Here's a question. It's crazy because you look at it. I'm still not dead sold on Tampa. Me neither, because there's still something kind of wrong. They haven't been able to run the ball. They did on Sunday. They did on Sunday.

They absolutely did. They beat a Seattle team that had to fly for 22 hours to Germany. Right. And they only beat them by five. Well, I mean, it was not... Well, they needed... I'll tell you what, they needed to make some first downs on that last drive, or they would have lost the game, because it looked like Gino and Company were coming.

Okay. Like, they were in control of that game, the entire game. Well, yes. But it's funny because you're sitting here, like, I think the two hottest teams, not the Vikings, right? And we all know the Eagles, but the two hottest teams right now are San Francisco and Washington. Yep. And they're sitting there at seven and eight. I don't know how you can...

How you would say that the Giants aren't hot. they've won five out of their last six. That's true. And they've won some games. I mean. Same with Washington, though. You can say the same thing. They could have lost all of them.

They could have lost to Green Bay. They could have lost to Indy. They could have lost to Philly on Monday night. If that face mask gets called on Monday night, the Eagles are going to take the lead. Now, I wouldn't put it past this team to come back down and maybe kick a field goal for the game winner. because, you know, Heineke's done that a couple times. Because He essentially couldn't miss in the game. He didn't miss much.

He missed one deep. Not much. Here's another question. Yeah, it's Heineke going to be on fire. I mean, he started the show with that. The Heineke's not going to shoot par. I mean, except for maybe once a year. Well, I still think it's a good analogy.

I think it's a great analogy. Just because, I mean, we're going to get to, you know, the game on Monday night, get Cooley's thoughts, get whatever he's done film-wise on the game here. But, you know, probably by the time people listen to this, they will know for sure that Taylor Heineke's going to be the starting quarterback. Ron Rivera played with everybody a little bit. He's going to talk to the trainer. He's going to do this. I mean, Taylor He's going to start. Sunday.

He's trying to make it sound nice for Carson Williams. Yeah, I actually have a point to make here in a second, but I wanted to ask this other question about the NFL. Right now, give me the two teams you think will be in the Super Bowl. San Francisco and Kansas City. But I wouldn't be surprised if the dolphins or the bills were in it. I wouldn't be surprised if the Vikings, I think the Vikings in San Francisco in the East,

I am not yet sold on Billy. Really? Why? I understand there. I understand there ain't you sold on them. Well, they just lost to Washington. I understand. But why watching them are you not sold on them? Because I think the way they play, I think there's...

When it comes to, people have started... I think Washington had a great game plan on both sides of the ball, and we can get into that. But I think that there's a way in a path to beat the Philadelphia Eagles, and I don't know if they're going to be able to counteract what teams are going to be able to do against them. We'll see. Okay, let's put it this way.

I wouldn't be surprised. It wouldn't blow me away if Philly ends up making the way to the Super Bowl, but I think that they're a better team. I think that the 49ers are a better team. It's funny because they're sitting there five and four. And I think Minnesota right now is electric. I think that San Francisco right now for me, I'm with you. I agree.

Sorry, Zander, but I'm going to agree with Cooley on this. Because I actually picked them in my mid-season predictions on the radio show with my producer Denton the other day to be in the Super Bowl. I think the 49ers are the team that can go on the road. and win with that defense. I don't think Minnesota can go on the road and win in the postseason. I don't think their defense is good enough. I just don't.

Now, if Minnesota ends up with home field advantage and they get a buy, because right now they're 8 and 1, the Eagles are 8 and 1. So there's a race for the number one seed, and it's only the number one seed that gets a buy. But if they end up having, you know, two games at home to get to the Super Bowl, they've got a chance. If they've got to go on the road and play the 49ers or play the Eagles, no, no chance.

I don't even think they can go to Philadelphia and win. I mean, they got absolutely... I don't understand why you say that, because look at what Minnesota's offense is. I know that. You go on the road and you get run on a little bit. Minnesota has a chance to score three touchdowns in any quarter. I know that.

But they're not good. Cooley, they're not good defensively. They're not good defensively. The 49ers and the Eagles are. Not good defensively might be giving up 28, and you know you can get 28. The 49ers and the Eagles have... And they give up 40, yeah, that's going to be really tough.

But Minnesota can score, and they can score on the road. They have a quarterback who can absolutely operate with noise, with whatever he has going on around him, and he's got the weapons to do it. I see the 49ers as the most complete team fully healthy in the NFC. and the team that I would totally trust more than any other team in the NFC to go on the road and win at Minnesota, at Philly, which may have to happen. To me, they're the team. There's the only thing that I love about San Francisco.

The quarterback. Yes, and essentially because of that, they don't score. San Francisco has only scored 30 once this year, and that's against Carolina. Didn't they score more than 30 against the Rams recently? Oh, sorry, 31 against the Rams, but the Rams were terrible. So Carolina and the Rams, they've only scored 30 twice. I don't see... I think they're dominant offense, but Garopolo's got to make plays and throws.

My only problem with San Francisco is they get into a game, like the Chiefs game a couple weeks ago, where they're up, I think they're up 10-0 or 14-0. They were. And they just can't keep up with Kansas City. Like, Mahomes ends up putting up 44 in that season. And it was amazing. But they just can't keep up with that. But they don't have to play the Chiefs.

They don't have to play the Chiefs to get there. Minnesota could put it on them. But Minnesota could score that way. Not in... Philly can score that way. I agree with you. This is a bad matchup. for a lot of T's, but I don't think that they're the worst matchup the way they play against Minnesota and Philly.

You called something last year before the postseason started. You called the Rams and you said OBJ is the difference maker for the Rams. This year when the trade for McCaffrey happened, you said that's the difference maker because he's going to dictate coverage and it's going to make life a lot easier for Garoppolo. So we'll see whether or not they can develop more offensively and score more. Now, let's not forget that last year they got to the NFC championship game, and they were a minute away from going back to the Super Bowl, scoring 23 at Dallas, 13 at Green Bay. And in the moment, they only had 17 against the Rams.

So I just think that they are so good defensively, defense travels in the postseason, and they can run the football. And they've proven that they can win playoff games on the road with Jimmy Garoppel. below it quarterback. I just trust them more. It's because they said what concerns me. My pick is still the 49ers. I know.

I still pick San Francisco to be in the, like, I'm not changing my pick here. I would just have a concern about a couple matchups. Now, there's a chance that they don't play Minnesota, or there's a chance that they don't end up having to play Philly when they get in a play. I mean, you might have to go through them both, but you might not. And, like, you might not even face one of them, depending on where you sit and the way it plays out. But those are the two teams, I think, provide bad matchups for San Francisco.

The one thing that you said about Philadelphia, it's funny because a few weeks ago, I said, as much as I loved Philadelphia preseason, and as much as I think Jalen Hertz has not only taken a small step, but a big step as a pocket pass or two. And I thought he was impressive on Monday night, actually. They didn't have a lot of snaps, but I thought he was pretty impressive. and I could see Philadelphia making it to the Super Bowl. But I think Philadelphia is going to be one of those teams that's going to need home field advantage.

Minnesota would desperately need home field advantage in the postseason. I just don't think San Francisco does. In some ways, I don't think Tampa would need it either. In the AFC, by the way, I think with the Chiefs, you know, it's funny. It's Andy Reed and Patrick Mahomes. that's their team. That's been their, well, Travis Kelsey. It's Andy Reed, Patrick Mahomes, and Travis Kelsey.

Their defense is, eh, not that great. They don't have to re-kill on the team. I mean, they got some players. There's some guys out there. And by the way, Cadarius Tony had a pretty good debut out there. But it doesn't matter because they can score like they did against the 49ers defense, like 40 points in two and a half quarters. So if they're playing at Arrowhead, they're going to the Super Bowl.

But I still think that Buffalo is very capable of getting to the Super Bowl and still having a great regular season and ending up with home field advantage. I mean, they have lost three games by a grand total of eight points. The dolphins, the Jets, and the Vikings. You know, I still think that the bills could end up with home field advantage throughout. And I think Casey could win that game. But I think those are the teams. But I don't discount Miami. And I still, if Cincinnati's healthy with Chase and Burrow,

I still think that they're dangerous in a postseason. They proved it last year. You know, they went on the road and beat Tennessee. They went on the road and beat the Chiefs in the AFC title game. The team that I'm not sold on, that I think you are, I'm not sold on the Ravens. There's something about the Ravens that's a little bit off this year, me.

They're defensive, and it's good. Yeah, but it might be now with Roquant Smith, and it looked pretty good against the Saints who are not good offensively. That is very true, though. Roquon Swift is a huge ad. Yeah. I'm with you. I'm way with you on Buffalo.

I think Buffalo, the difference is what they are defensively right now. Ed Oliver is an absolute. Don Miller is a complete difference maker and he's playing that way this year. I think Tremaine Edvins is phenomenal. I like Mapuano. Caredavius White is back. Jordan Poyer. I mean, they lost They lost him back. They lost Michael Hyde for the year.

But, man, they have three levels of good players on defense. And I would not ever question Josh Allen. I mean, he may make a bad play, but there would never be a moment where he took

his team down the field and I said, wow, he did it. He's a freaking stud. Yeah, he's a bit of a roller coaster. Like, the Cincinnati thing did the team, are they, there are games, the game that Burrough threw, what, two weeks ago or three weeks ago, he threw for like 470 cards.

Yeah. And they're just lighted it up. They have the capability to be awesome. But there are games where they can't protect him, and he's not getting looks, and they are struggling. They have been either, I mean, they're a Jacqueline High team, really. Yeah. I think Burroughs a terrific player.

If you either protect him a little bit, I just don't know if they're going to be able to protect him in big games, especially against teams with Ed Oliver and von Miller. Yeah, I mean, I think if Buffalo's at home, it's like, I don't know, that place is just different. I mean, Arrowhead's great, too, but we saw the Chiefs. nearly lose to Buffalo, and they did lose the following week to Cincinnati. It's going to be a fascinating rest of the season and postseason. I mean, I would still say that Buffalo in Kansas City,

and then I would throw the 49ers and the Eagles into, you know, they are the top four teams. I still don't see Minnesota being at that level. I don't. I think, you know, Minnesota doesn't have Mahomes. and because I use that as a comparison because I don't think Kansas City's defense is great. Buffalo, Philly, and San Francisco are all capable of playing lights out defensively. Philadelphia and Miss Jordan Davis a ton on Monday night,

and they'll get him back at some point and they'll be more stout against the run. But the 49ers were an agreement on them. I mean, I think if they stay healthy, even with Jimmy G, they're going to be, hell to deal with. The issue is just, you know, how many games are they going to have to win to to win the division to at least get the first game at home before they have to get on the road? Because I'm not shorting Seattle the way it sounded like you were. What started all this conversation is can the NFC East get four? They can. I'm starting to think now, though, that, you know, nine minimum and more likely than not 10 is going to do it.

The Enisees can't get four. They all play each other too much. Well, they still can. They're not going to. Well, I don't think they're going to either. I'm just saying that it's... They play. They have too many games against each other.

Well, so do the other divisions. You know, and they have lesser records right now. Other divisions don't have to get more than one in. Well, that's true. You're right. That was the approach. point there, yes. But what if the Giants and what if the Giants do to the Eagles, what Washington did? What if the

wins come at the expense of the Eagles down the stretch? You're looking more at the Giants. Let me just stop you. Is Seattle going to make the class? I think they are. Is the 49ers going to make the class? Definitely. The NFC doesn't get in four. Well, I understand that if that happens, they can't get four. Please stop. I don't have to stop if I I don't want to stop. Stop. What did you say?

The way the NFC doesn't get for is the only outcome is my outcome. It's shorting Seattle. I think that's how it all started, and I pointed to the NFC West is the problem. When I answered Melvin's question. The NFC West is the problem. Seattle's essentially got to almost lose out. I mean, Seattle's going to, they can only win a couple more games. for the NFC East to get four.

Seattle will be the... The NACC. East gets four. The fourth out of the four is getting nine wins. You're not getting four teams in the NAC with 10 wins, in the East. That's right. I think it's impossible.

Well, no, it's not impossible for everybody to get to 10. I've already done that. I understand it's not. I think it's near impossible. It would be, it would definitely be a stretch. The NFC... You'd be like plus 6,000 on my book.

The NFC West's... is the key. Seattle's got a falter or the 49ers have to have a bunch of injuries again and falter against what is a difficult schedule at times for them. Still playing the dolphins and Green Bay in Atlantic can't find a way to get a little bit hot. Yeah. Look, for Washington, Sunday is the absolute game of the year for them at Houston. If they lose to Houston, you can write them off. And they are only a three-point favorite at Houston Sunday. All right, let's get to your thoughts on the Monday night game

and whatever you did from a film standpoint. Oh, by the way, you started, before we started recording, you said, I'm getting my drip on. What does that mean? Joking with you. I learned that from a fifth grade girl last night. What does it mean? Drip is like swag.

Oh, okay. Drip is means and sling that your looker style is extremely fashionable or sexy. You're hot, you're cool, you're on point. You got the sauce. You're reading from the Urban Dictionary right now. All right. It's a metaphor. You're dripping with money, designer clothes, or confidence.

Or is Bruno Mars saying on his January 18th, finesse remix with Cardi B. we out here dripping in finesse. It don't make no sense. That's drip. Perfect. Let's try to make sense out of the game Monday night. We'll do that right after these words from a few of our sponsors. This segment of the show brought you by MyBooky.

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The odds makers now have, and the books now have the 49ers as the second pick in the NFC to win the NFC championship. Sunday's line for the game right now at My Bookie is Washington minus three with a very low total in this game, 40 and a half. Washington at Houston. All right, before we get to any of the film stuff that you did for today, just tell me what you thought of the game, because we haven't talked about it on the podcast. What did you think of their win Monday night? I think that it was a game in which everything went right.

They played a great football game, and Washington is going to have some mistakes. Every team is going to have a couple mistakes. But I think so much in that game went right for them. down to a face mask that's not called and a quarterback roughing on the last offensive play I mean

a block or a punt that's almost blocked that you end up having a running into the punter they had a pick right after that but they had a lot of they had a lot of good battles strip sack fumble right after that yeah on the opening drive yeah strip sack I mean the turnover yeah strip sex but it's back to your golf analogy like we can shoot you and I can shoot into the 70s, but like that great drive can't catch the edge of the

trap and trickle back down. It's got to hit the one inch on the other side of the trap and then kick out in the fairway. Chit forward? Yeah, the bump forward, you know? Yeah. The one you kind of yank left on the part three, he's going to bounce off the hill and kick onto the green. The ball that you, you skull on number three at your course, or number four or C.J. Scor Buddy Skull. But ended up eight feet from the cup.

A 190, 195 yard part three. That lands about 80 yards short and runs to 10 feet from the pin. That ends up being a great shot. Yeah, we need they needed all of those. But I mean, honestly, here was the other thing I thought,

and this is going to be different than what everyone says. It looked like you went out there and had a hell of a practice. You executed against looks that you wanted that were drawn up the way you wanted, and you just made play after play after play, did the right thing after the right thing of the right day, and you're like, man, hell of a practice today. They just executed.

I thought that, and I've never really thought that in watching the game, like, man, this is like exactly the way you practiced it. Exactly the way it was practiced. It was drawn up, it was scripted, it was perfect. You had one or two misses. You're like, hey, we'll work on that at the end of the day. Don't worry about We're going to go back and look at that one at the end

Yeah, we run We have 8 10-play series set up here The one pick We highlight that At the very end of practice We go run our four plays that we had mistakes on Great practice, boys No, I mean, it was really good

It's the way you drop a game plan against the Eagles You rush the ball 49 times Are you kidding me? you end up having third and two, third and one, third and four, third and one, third and one, third and one, third and fourth one. You're in situations that are all positive. You control the clock completely. You go down and score at the end of the half. Back to the private, like, hey, a fourth period here, we're going to have a two-minute drill and a half drill.

You've got to get two knees and make a big throw and have a hell of a catch in the middle of the field. Oh, good stuff, boy. 28, 27, 26. get on it, spike it. It was well done. Let's make that kick a real long one and see if Joey can make it here in practice. We're not going to give you a short one, Joey. Hackle him. Hackle him.

Hackle him. Come on, Joey, come on. Hackle him. Turn the noise maker on. Joey, go, Joey, go. Wendy. It was practice. It was practice. I mean, it was just well done.

I was impressed. They executed very well. But before you get to whatever you're going to talk about next, are you saying that they got lucky to win the game? Nope. Okay, good. No, no. Not lucky.

Okay, all right. They got good bounces. Good bounces when you're playing golf. It's also not having misses. They didn't have a lot of misses. They just had some fortunate bounces. Right. I mean, because they hit it well pretty much all day.

And like you said, you know, it just barely cleared the front of the trap and kicked forward rather than catching that lip on a well-hit ball and ending up back in the trap, when you just barely pushed it right? Or it didn't draw enough? It didn't draw enough. Right. I mean, you got up and down a lot. You know, you didn't have, you're just hitting pins.

I mean, you're just straight down the fairway, a little short this time. You've got to get up and down here. Okay. And your chip shot to get up and down from 40 yards goes to a foot. got tap in there. Oh, man. You're only laughing because you love that. I do love that because.

That's all the third ones is like, hey, it's second and six. But let's just, we just got to get it up there somewhere. Oh, man, it got close. It's so true. It's second and seven. Look, we're not going to get it on the green. Okay, we're 230 yards away. Hit a good one down the middle.

you know, a buck 90, 200. You got 30 yards, you're up and down for par. Yeah, we don't have to make birdies today. We've got to make sure we're making paris. A couple bogies here and there is not going to kill us, but let's make bars, boys. They tied the game up.

And at the point they tied it up, I never felt like Philly. I thought, I thought Washington was going to win the rest of the way. When they tied it up 7-7? I've watched so many games. Yeah, 7-7. And then they're just in control.

And then the next drive they have, I mean, but I've watched so many games over the last 20 years, been in so many of them, called them, sat there with Washington in games that resembled that type of score and thought, oh, when is it going to, when's it going to turn? When's the switch in the third quarter that the other team scores 14 and takes control of a game? Why did you feel so confident?

Why did you feel so confident that early? I thought they were playing great ball. They were striking it well. Yeah. No, I just, that was just a feeling that I had as I was sitting there by myself watching the game. They're good here. They're good. They got it.

Well, you bet them too on the money line. I told you I was going all in to win. At 7-7, did you consider a live money-line bet since you were. so confident there because you probably still could have gotten like plus 300 in the first quarter I told you I went all in I had no money left you could have opened up another account yeah I'm not that wasn't really what I was I'm not going I don't like going back to the ATM that double down in blackjack like hey could everyone at this table hold on a minute I got to run to the ATM so I get this double down well you know what you don't you shouldn't have

to go to the ATM. I mean, you should be able to say, can I get a marker, please? And everybody will be, sit there kindly and wait. But usually if you say, I got to go to the ATM, if you're sitting with some nice people, somebody may give you the hundred bucks for the double down and then get it back from you. Hey, Tommy, I'll run to the ATM if I lose. I promise. Promise, Tommy. Can you just slip me a hundred so I don't miss on this eight three double down against the six? You got a lot of black chips sitting there. Just pop one over here. Pop it in. Send it. I'll tell you what, though. I would have given it to you.

You would have just taken it from me. You would have just said, you would have looked at my pile and you would have just taken it. I was at the table alone, man. I was sitting there alone. Okay. I never considered betting more. I don't bet, by the way some of my close friends do, not that in 10. Have you ever made the table wait I have before? I have sat there with friends who have. Well, I mean, look, if it's not a lot of money and you're just having fun, but if you've got, like, put it this way, if you've got a sizable bet down there and you get two eights against a six and then they pull a third eight and you split it and then all of a sudden you get a three on the first one, okay, you got the double down money and then the next one you get two and you don't have anything left on your pile. I'm making everybody wait. I mean I'm yeah here's what I would definitely do it

when I split the eighth and then I get another eight I got to split them again that's what I just said yeah no I mean I'm not waiting for the double down too yeah yeah but once what I'm yeah well I mean of course you're going to right this split's even more important because it's like wait a minute you're you're going to tell me you're going to tell me that I'm not going to wait I'm going to have to hit a 16 again or I'm going to have to stick on 16 instead of splitting these eights No, I'm going to split the eggs.

Yeah, that two comes up on the third eight, and I'm like, just hit it. But I think if you're with the right group of people, they understand and they'll wait. I mean, I would never, of course, I would say, of course, do what you need to do. We'll wait. Yeah, no, I hear you. I hear you. But I would, I would just, I mean, if you, if I was there alone, it, just, just, just hit me here. All right, you had Washington on the money line.

You felt really good after they tied it up 7-7. What else? What other observations from the game before we get to whatever you've done film-wise? Let's see. Blanket observations. I thought Del Rio did a really good job adjusting to some of the... I think he had some zone pressures that they were trying to get to Hertz with early where they were dropping into some two stuff and sinking back, like, that D-Tackle, usually Jonathan Allen.

They got beat on a couple early third down. I thought they did a good job adjusting and getting out of that and play it. some more man, even with man pressure, which I think was good on the part of Del Rio. I don't know. I mean, that's about, I mean, blanket observations before we get to film stuff, I think just overall, I was pretty impressed with top to bottom now they played the game. On Scott Turner, you know, the second and six, you know, golf analogy that you gave, we're not going to get it on the green, let's just hit it up there.

I mean, obviously, it ultimately worked. But on, you know, second and eight, second nine, second and six, you know, they ran the ball on first and second down and consecutive plays 12 times in the game. And they always ended up with third and very makeable. I think I told you this yesterday when we talked, not on the podcast. They had six third and ones. They had five third and twos and third and threes and four third and fives and four, third and fives.

They had 15 third downs that would fall in. into the category of advantageous down and distance. And to me, that and the turnovers were the two reasons they won the game. Oh, but did you, what did you think of Scott Turner just sticking with that run, even though it was producing basically like three yards of carry? I loved it, and it was producing three yards of carry because it was continued to produce three, four yards of carry on every single carry. And there wasn't, were there any negative carries in the game?

One. One negative carry. One. One minus one. Right. There was almost nothing negative. And the three yards of carry is there was almost no big runs either. Robinson didn't have any big run.

The 11-yarder that got him down to the goal to go situation was the biggest run of the day for the team. Yeah. And you've got to have it, I think, plus 15. Well, I guess a lot of people consider plus 10 a big run, but I think plus 15 is a big run. So, yeah, there's no, like, massive runs. They just kept pounded it inside. But I also, I love the game plan to run the ball, and especially early in the game, and then as it played out.

So early in the game, Philly, they're expecting, and Philly does play that three downlineman front with the two stand-up outside guys and one or two, sometimes backers in the middle. But to me, it's a three-three. The thing that I love is that three. 3-3 is really can be tough to run the ball if you're trying to stretch or move because you can't get up, take it to the linemen up to the linebackers because you're covering center and both guard.

So double teams are not really easy against what you call it jam front. A lot of it's a jam front where you're covering guard, center guard. And so they have some good counterplays where they're pulling guard and tackle. they had some, like, zone plays where they're taking both tight ends across the formation, motioning one, and then pulling the other one back across and leading up on a linebacker. They had really good answers early in the ballgame to getting somebody up to a linebacker so you essentially don't have any free hitters. And I think that's where Philly has done well against the run is those three big downlinmen

are allowing those linebackers to be free hitters. But what I like is, sorry, wallow drunk. he started to compliment the run game as he got later in the second quarter into the third quarter and then he starts getting some outside stuff. Curtis Samuel gets in the back zone. You want to run stretch zone and I don't think Robinson's fast enough to get to the edge and they run through Samuel on a stretch zone.

They get to a second and seven draw play and later in the second quarter, which I love as a mix-in for a draw on a second seven or second six. They had a couple bounce plays. Gibson's got a bounce play and they they really designed it to bang it inside early, to continue to hit it inside early, either gun and or under center,

and then complimented once they started getting consistent gains with some bounce plays and some outside plays. And I think some of the play action stuff really complimented off that as well, and I thought Turner was balanced in his first and 10 play calling situation. I mean, they had a lot of back-to-back runs, but they didn't have a ton of back-to-back first-back first-and-10, and then the next set of downs we're going to run on first and ten.

They got some good shot plays to tarry into the middle of the field. And really, I thought it was probably the best game Turner called throughout the year. I thought he had a nice plan, and they executed the plan, and they stayed in rhythm. And you do, I mean, even though you have all those third ones, you still have to give Washington credit.

They got the third one. Well, there's one they didn't get, and then they didn't get the fourth down when they had to delay a game. But yeah, they got all the other ones. Yeah, I mean, it's not a guarantee that you're going to get third and one. Right. Especially when you get down the list of what you've come on third and one. I mean, they've seen, you don't have an eight-play package normally on third one.

On the run game, I kind of felt like what you just described is accurate, but one of the things that you didn't say is, was there a lot of run? room to run because it felt to me like Robinson and Gibson were basically doing a lot of the work on their own without gaping holes. Here's what I wrote down right below the end of the run play. The running backs got all the tough yards. They did a great job of putting their head down and driving their legs and getting an extra two on a lot of carries.

But it wasn't that they had to put their head down into three hitters. and unblocked defender. Understood. It was, there's not a ton of movement. But, I mean, you know, it's not always, if you don't have like that true speed back, and Robinson's not, and he had 26 of carries, you're not going to bounce it to the outside.

I don't think he has, I don't think he's got quite the juice at this point to get those bounce plays to the outside. I mean, he actually had a couple opportunities where he could have bounced it further, and I don't think he thinks he can get there. So he just puts his head in the back of one of his offensive linemen who are not, and they didn't get a ton of movement up front. That wasn't the case.

It wasn't a ton of movement, but they got the tough yards. And they continued. And it's funny, like, a lot of times, and as I was watching that game, you think, I mean, we got 20-plus runs in the first, what do they have in the first half in terms of total runs? You think you're going to start to pop them. you know, one or two here in the second half.

We're going to, man, we've got to pop something here. And they didn't. They had 51 offensive snaps in the first half, a record for the season, the most by any team. They had 29 runs for 100 yards in the first half. Yeah. 29 runs. I mean, that's a game. Yeah, I mean.

And it's like, first half, for as good first half as they had, Robinson was 3.7, Gibson was 2.9. Heaney's key had the zone read right before the end of the half. It's got him a couple yards, and Samuel had three carries for six yards. They were just running the ball. I mean, they were getting, it was a tough yard situation. I think they were physical. I think they grinded it out.

It was awesome. And it was awesome on Turner's part. They committed to the run. Rivera yesterday, as in Tuesday, said that the average yards, per carry is a little skewed because they had all these third and ones and they had some goal line and, you know, you had shorter runs. I went back and took all those out and I took the kneel downs out and even the quarterback scramble out. And it was still not significantly better, but it was like 3.6, 3.6 and a half yards per carry. So you do the math on that and you're,

you know, you're at 7.2 yards on your first and second down and you're left with, you know, a long two on third down. And that's what they had a lot. And like you, you know, there was one negative run between the running backs. Robinson and Gibson, there was a minus one yard run in the first half. That's it. It's all they had. It's really in this day and age, it's a crazy way to do it. You don't see it in this day and age of, you know, the forward pass being your primary way of moving the football.

But they did move the football via the forward pass. They just did it, you know, off of an intense commitment to running the football at three points. 5 yards, call it a carry? Yeah. Well, and the forward pass helped them. Yes, of course. The forward pass allowed them to continue to run the ball. There were some big throws that when they didn't get yards on first down that Heineke made.

I mean, there were two or three second and ten, second and nine, second and twelve, throat slant to Terry McCormor. For 11 yards. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, there were some big throws. in the game. Where do you want to start? What do you want to do film-wise? I think what just happened was we started with the run game and some of the Scott Turner stuff. So, you know, just organically that came about. But to me, I would start, like one, I'll start with Terry McLaurin. As well as they ran the ball and Scott Turner the way it played out,

I think if you had two game balls to give out, you give one to Terry McLaren and you give one to Taylor Hineke. Terry McClorin was essentially matched up against what really right now is, statistically, the best corner in the league, and Darius Lay. He killed him. He tore him up. There were very few times that Terry McClure wasn't open. And there were some things that Terry did that are just unbelievable.

He got a go-ball in his third quarter down the right sideline. He's got a little bit outside leverage with Slay. He sticks him outside. He releases inside. And then he gets on top of him, stacks him, which means vertically he's right on top of him. But doesn't drift, does what you call it football holds the red line, because they paint a red line on the practice field in between the numbers and the sideline. You don't want to be wider than that.

It allows enough room for Hineski to drop a perfect ball. Like, oh, my gosh. I mean, wide open on slant routes, a big corner route in man-to-man coverage, where he had two whip routes outside of him, where he just can't. continue to really, I think, establish two to three yards of separation on so many plays. It seemed like he was wide open all day, all night. All game, all game. And you look back and you're like, okay, he's got eight catches for 128 yards.

Yeah. Is it the Justin Jefferson game? No. But keep in mind, I'll bet you six of those catches are one-on-on-one. one with Darius Slay. I would be surprised if you find another game this season that Slay's given up that many

that percentage thrown at. Right. I think he's like 20-some percent when thrown at. They were 60 plus when they threw at Slay with Terry McLhorn. So Perry did a phenomenal job winning for them. Like I said,

and we'll get to I any key stuff, but you know, a second and ten slants are huge. An inside slant on second and 12 is massive. Those are chain movers. Those are drive savers.

How much? And he had four or five. How many of those slants? There were four or five slants. I mean, there were three or four slants out of the eight catches, it seemed like. How many of those were just against coverage that was soft, that was off? Yeah, one or two. The two inside slants, it can be zone coverage, but there's zone matching inside.

but it's essentially becoming man to man. I think the first one, it almost looks like Clay may have blown it, blown the coverage there. But Philly played a lot of man or a lot of two-man in a lot of those situations. They didn't just turn Terry free into zone coverage. They played two-man or they played some single high man

where they really matched Terry. So it wasn't, he made it look soft, is basically the way I thought. I think their plan was, play will lock down Terry McLaren and you can run it for three yards to carry and see if you can beat us elsewhere

and that plan did not work out for the Eagles game ball would go to Terry McLaurin in my opinion game ball I think he would be the other game ball okay talk about him so the good I don't

he missed one throw really or two when you When you start talking about the good stuff from Heineke, I mean, this will go, this is also Terry McCorm. This is an underrated throw. There's a third down in three, I think second quarter. Terry has got, he's inside, he's got Slay playing off five yards and outside two yards. He's running a five-yard out route into coverage, essentially running it into Slay.

Heineke literally rocks and throws, does not take any time, and puts it just behind McClure on his back knee. Terry goes down, makes a catch for five yards, and Slay has no chance. Those are huge throws. Those are throws that Wents has not been making at all. He knows he's going to Terry. He knows he's got bad leverage, so he's going to throw him behind and throw it open and let Terry go down and make a catch and get a first down. Right.

That's absolutely massive. All right, let's go into the game. I think the first third and four, they don't get before the roughing the punter. I've got a great ball to Samuel on that pick play. I think he gave Samuel a chance to go get that. He's got safety help coming over the top, so he doesn't want to let it go too high and far, and I thought he gave him a back shoulder opportunity. Samuel just had a poor adjust to the ball.

It's not terrible. It's good coverage, but I think that's a really good throw. You didn't think that was underthrown? I think it's purposely underthrown. Okay. This is what I'm trying to say. He's got safety coming, a single high safety coming over the top.

I think it's perfectly underthrown. I think Samuel's got a chance to go make that play. You've got a DB with his back turn to it and a receiver that sees the ball. More times than not, you see your receiver make that catch. Throughout the game, I thought he stayed up in the pocket. He did not give Philly a lot of operations.

to rush him at 8, 9, 10 yards. That's what killed, killed, Wentz in the last game against the Eagles, was he was at 10 yards in the pocket. He was in gun, taking five-step drops. I think he stayed up in the pocket throughout the game, and he got the ball out with the decisiveness and accuracy throughout the entire game.

He had the big slant throw after big slant throw. Just going through notes. How about the bad snap over his head that he went? Huge play. It's a massive, massive. play in the game. Yep. They ended up scoring a touchdown on

that drive. I mean, if not they're punting, that's a 20-yard loss. Oh, it's a massive play. He's got a keeper late first, early second quarter where he rolls right, he's got Graham in his face. He sets up and throws

to Bates, who does a heck of a job crossing the defender's face. But I mean, it's not that often you see a quarterback pull up quick on a keeper and throw the corner route. Like usually they're dumping that quick flat route on the bootleg deal. I mean, awesome, awesome stuff. The corner out to McCloran on the fourth drive to get him down to the 25-yard line. He reads coverage really well. He sees man coverage safety off.

Instead of just throwing that underneath five-yard whip route, which he could have thrown, was open. He finds Terry over the top to the corner route. I wrote this is a great throw. I know it's not a great throw, but it's after a spike play. he gets, which was also huge, when he gets the to Diomi run, to Diomi Brown. That ball is low. Yeah. But, dude, you are throwing a ball into a tight window in the middle of the field,

and you gave yourself a chance to go get the, go make the play. You gave your receiver a chance to make the play. It's a heck of a catch by Deiombe Brown. And it's amazing that that's only a fourth catch of the year. I know. But to do that. And then also, I mean, watch real time again, the operation with Heineke to know,

that he's got to get the ball right now, right me out, and get up and spike the ball. Yeah. No, he's very aware. He's good at that stuff, at the whole clock management stuff. He doesn't need to rely on a coach to tell him what to do. No. He's got that covered. The deep ball to Terry in the third quarter, the go ball on the outside.

Best ball he's thrown all year. But he went through really through a second into the third quarter where he didn't didn't miss, Kev. Yeah. Balls, slants are out in front of receivers so they can continue to run into the ball and catch and run

with the ball. He got into a rhythm into the second quarter where he... He had a couple sail on him in the first half, a couple of them. Mm-hmm. He did. He had a couple high balls.

But overall, and then he's just, I love... And this is what I, when he is making throws, and the ball's coming out in rhythm and he's really good and I love that he's a really situationally aware player

like you can tell he's the guy that thinks about the game I mean the third down late where he just takes the sack the weird awkward knee yeah the way he gets up

to really signal first down you said this to me yesterday and I was like I don't know I mean he just he's just making sure he doesn't throw an incompletion

or do something stupid and he's just taken any I actually believe you I think he baited it. He said that... I mean, you don't know you're going to get it, but I think the quickness of which he gets up, he knows immediately his way it.

Now he's got the first down signal. He's all hyped up. And he knows the games over. He also knows the games over at that point. But, you know, he did say that there was, they were going to try to throw it there. And he said, if Terry was open, I was going to take Terry.

If not, we were going to take the sack, try to burn some clock. but, you know, no one told him to kneel in the middle of trying to escape pressure. You know, it was, that was him instinctually. You don't have to give him a quiz in those situations. He's already passed it. He's played a lot of ball, and he definitely knows these situational stuff. Things, things. Yeah, great.

Two more throws, because I wrote this in the third down page that I don't want to over it. Early in the game, third and four, he hits the deep over to Terry McClure, it's a great throw. Later in the game, it's a third and six that he hits an inside deep end to Samuel. Samuel, yeah. He's got 97 in his face, and he throws a dime to Samuel in the middle of the field. I'd call it an inside dagger concept. He's looking, like I thought throughout the game, the positives, really. Accuracy was awesome. Decision-making was really, really good. Decisiveness and anticipation, I thought was really good. The ability to throw the ball and have courage under pressure I was impressed with.

He played with the utmost confidence, and I love seeing that in a quarterback. I mean, big throws throughout the game. A couple of the negative plays from Heineke, and I think only two are, you know, glaring negatives. One, the third and three go-ball to Terry McLaurin that gets picked into cover two. he is and I know what he's doing there he's in baller mode

I can make any throw I can fit any throw I'm gonna I got it he doesn't do anything to hold the safety he knows he's going to Terry he stares it down

and he tries to make a throw and it's picked now what's funny is during the game Aikman said he got away with one earlier and we hadn't talked about this but he threw the same kind of go ball

with perfect timing to McLaurin into the end zone and the safety comes there to break it up. And amazingly, if you watch that again, Terry actually comes down with the ball. He's out of bounds. It bounces off two or three guys, and he comes down. I didn't hate that throw. But he didn't look the safety off on that one either.

He didn't do a good enough job, but he let it go so quick that he beat the safety and gave Terry a chance to come down with that ball as a contested catch. Got it. The second time he throws that on for avert, he, he, he, they got him. And the second time is the third and three, and the way they're playing soft at the birth,

just hit Gibson for the checkdown. Easy. Yeah. He's in baller mode. Like, I can do anything. The funny thing, though, is that they had, they actually had bogged down. What?

They said he's playing 17 at your course, and he's pulling out driver no matter what. was. Yeah. I mean, so I think that that was a big negative throw. The other miss, I think, and this was a little tougher, the sack at the six-yard line, and they end up holding for a field goal. Yeah.

Again, Troy goes back and he says, man, you got Gibson out in the flat to the right. They're running like an all-mesh, everything crossers and Gibson releases out to the right. He did. he never looked at Gibson. He also had Samuel crossing the field from the other direction, and he's open. Now, he's going to get hit. The pressure was quick, though. I didn't think that was on him. I wouldn't say it's totally on him, but I do think the ball can come out right now to Samuel. I promise you, he thinks the ball can come out to Samuel. It was quick pressure. It was not good protection, which, by the way, it was actually really good through most of the day.

Much better. But it also goes back to trying to keep moving and sitting upwards in the pocket. not fitting deep. Also had to do what they just figured they were going to run the ball on every single play. Yeah, I mean, that helps. But I do think he could have got Samuel there. The other couple thoughts I had early in the game, he misses one. He throws on a kind of a boot rollout right. He throws Logan Thomas into a two-trap corner, which he didn't see.

And that's, like, I don't know, 10 years ago, you're on, you got jacked up on that one. That is a knock your head off throw right there. And if the corner pulls off any quicker, that's not just to knock your head off throw. It's worse as the pick, because the corner can fall off and see that. And on the third drive, he threw a dig to McLaren on a play action pass, and it was a ball that sailed on him. Yeah. He's got a deep crosser, and the backside corner of Bradbury turns and runs inside and then sees it late and bells and picks it up.

If he lets that deep crosser go, it's big. It's not scoring. The safety's going to come over on top and make a hit right after he catches it, but he had an opportunity there to throw that ball. The other one, I think he got a little bit lucky on there was a PI against McCorn on a play action pass. was running a dig on the left, and he was looking at, I think, Samuel on the other side running a deep comeback, or it doesn't matter, he's looking at a deep comeback on his right, and he comes back late and throws one way over Terry's head, but Terry gets held it, and it's clear holding. I mean, that's a risky throw.

Right. I don't love that throw. They get the penalty, but, you know, I actually wrote initially from the sideline view, I was like, man, that's so smart of him, because he can see the hold, or you'd say, the hold and then just letting it go high and say, well, obvious holds were going to, he never, he didn't see the hold. He was reading the right side of the field and just came back late to throw a dig. And then lastly, I mean, there was an opportunity on the sideline play to get a little better ball in, but. At the end of the first half? That's the end of the first half. Yeah.

But I mean, if I'm grading he and key, it's an A in this game. If I was grading this, this is an A performance. I think he was awesome. Against a good defense, against a very good. it's secondary. Right. I'd say Turner was an A. Heineke was an A. I would say offensive line in terms of

protection was probably a B. I think you're running back. Robinson's in that B-ish range. I don't think there was a ton of things. I don't necessarily think Robinson has popped to the hole. When you get a

big back running up right, it's scary when they hit it harder and faster. I think you slow to the hole. Maybe it could have been you know, instead of 3.1, it could have been 3.8 or 4.2 if he's hitting a hole harder. But, you know, offensively, really, really impressive. So impressive. What did you think of, the one thing with Taylor you didn't mention, there were a couple of zone readkeepers.

Yeah, and I think he may have missed one too, but you never, sometimes it's hard to tell what they have called. You know, before the sack, at the goal line. The second down play, it looked a little bit like, I think it was an RPO, and he threw it away, Logan Thomas wasn't open. I don't know if you saw that play. I think there were linemen down. Yeah, it was a boop. It was a keeper. I think it was a keeper. Logan Thomas is running a flat, and he's got Terry McLauran running a corner, and he's got pressure off the right side in his face. He tried to let one go high to let Logan run under it. Had he had

like a millisecond more. He could have got Terry with that same kind of ball who had a little bit more separation. But I will see. Here's the other thing. This was your conversation over the last week. Man, you've got to get him on the edge. Did you get one keeper play

that didn't have pressure immediately off the edge and that 3-3 wide out that stand-up linebacker front when they can see? Right. No, you didn't. It's hard to get to the edge of that with the quarterback. Right. Yeah, so you have it.

It wasn't a game where you're going to call 22 bootlegs. You can't against that defense. I mean, Kyle will. Well, the Minnesota defense, your two best players on defense were there two D-Ns. Right. Okay, what else you got? I mean, obviously, I watched the entire game, and I think there's some stuff defensively. All right, well, let's get one.

Well, hold on. Let's get a break, I was going to say. Okay, you were going to say that. I don't think you were. I think you were going to go right into it. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, for sure. I was not so better.

We're going to go. We're going to get to whatever else you have left right after. these words from a few of our sponsors. High marks for Scott Turner, for Taylor Heineke, and for Terry McClorn, and pretty good marks for the offensive line and everybody else on offense. It was a great night for the

offense. What about the defense? Here's what's awesome about this defense. Start with the idea of how you beat Jalen Hertz. And a lot of young quarterbacks. You just don't give them any shot.

plays. You play off enough, you play good coverage, and you don't give them any big shot plays. The Philly did not have one single play over 20 yards. Their biggest play was Wes Watkins that he fumbled off.

For 16 yards. Well, no, no, no. The deep shot to Watkins that he got up and then fumbled on at the end of the game. You forgot that one. The deep shot where he got behind the defense. That's actually very true. Yeah. I did forget about that one. But he fumbled, so. Right.

That was amazing, by the way. That was another lucky bounce. That one was a lucky bounce. It was a good play by St. Juice. It was a great play by St. Juice. Yeah. But other than that, I mean, honestly, if you play the Eagles and you say, hey, if we can keep them less than four plays over 20 yards, or four less plays, you're in pretty good shape against Philly. Absolutely.

They didn't have many plays. Go ahead. They just didn't have many plays in the game. No, they didn't have many plays. But I think they did a really good job forcing Hertz to throw the ball underneath. Right. And I think Hertz made some good throws. I think he missed some throws as well.

I don't, but I didn't look at this game and go, oh, my God, there were three shots that he didn't see. There wasn't open receivers running down the field. They forced him to throw underneath, and then they did a phenomenal job, rallying to ball out, pursuit and getting guys on the ground. They didn't have a lot of mistackles in this game. I mean, what one or two? Like St. Juice-Smith's on Smith when he scores. Right. That's the only one I can remember.

Yeah, they tackled well. I think a couple where Miles Sanders maybe got loose a little bit, but for the most part, you know, you have to help Philly to, 20 rushes for 94 yards. They didn't even try to run it in the first half. They decided they weren't going to run the football in the first half. And then I think they needed to give the defense a little bit of a break. And so they got a little bit of some running game going in the second half with Sanders.

But it wasn't, you know, the first half, I think their 19 plays, 16 of them were dropbacks. No, they just didn't have the ball in the first half. Right. That's amazing. The other amazing stat for this defense, A.J. Brown, four targets, one catch, seven yards. They literally took him out of the game. Well, he was hurt. He got hurt early. Did he have a hangover? My God.

Well, he was hurt. I know he was hurt. He looked terrible. But they take him out of the game. You know, Smith, who killed him last game, had six catches for 39 yards. Right. I mean, if you play Philly in their biggest stat line for receivers, Kwez Watkins, 4 for 80, you're winning the game. The funny thing is, though, if he doesn't fumble that football, that 1.50-yard play may have been the difference in the game.

I just never felt that way, but I do know what you're saying. Well, they've been excellent. They complimented. They've just been excellent at scoring touchdowns when they're in the rest. red zone. So they go up 27, 26, or 2926 if he doesn't fumble. But to your point, you know, I wouldn't have thought game over at that point at all, because I would have expected Washington to come down and potentially get a game-tying or game-winning field goal with the way they were playing. And they had time. They wouldn't have, yeah, they wouldn't have to have, they wouldn't have

to go drop back. There were like six minutes left, something like that when he fumbled. Right. No, I would have not been one bit surprised. Right. They taught like Yank's face mask and punch ball out, which worked really well this week. That worked well. But no, I think Del Rio did a good job changing plan early in the game saying, okay, the film pressure isn't exactly what we want. But then on top of that, I think St. Just and Fuller played really good games. I think Fuller played maybe his best game throughout the year.

St. Juice has been really, really good. Right. the only one was St. Juice, there was that P.I. early in the game, that's not P.I. Did you think that was P.I. I did. I did not think that it was, I think our fans went nuts and said that was a terrible call. I think by the rule, there was definitely a grab, a tug. I thought that, I thought that, you know, it didn't surprise me that that got flag. Now, I did not think that Dotson should have been called for OPI. And I think that was a makeup, almost a makeup call for the misdemeanor. missed face mask. Yeah, we actually didn't mention that on the offensive side. That is a rub route.

They're rub routes. They're not pick routes. They're rubs. That was as clean. That is, if I was to go and coach that exact play in high school football, that is the best rub route I've ever seen. He throws his hand. First of all, he gets pushed into it.

So it's not OPI. He gets jammed and pushed. The DB on top of Dotson is making contact, pushing him into the other defender. And he turns his body sideways. He doesn't hit him square, and he opens up to the ball. Right. It's not a guy. It is clinic rubble.

And I still, I watched that St. Juice played 20 times. It's a 50-50 call right now in the league. that wasn't getting called Minnesota. No. It wasn't getting called in a few games over the weekend. Yeah, and it wasn't called last week really that much. I mean, they called it on the pick six at the end, but they let a lot of other stuff against Jefferson go

when Washington played them. I think, well, you answered the question. I mean, it's a 50-50 call. You can't be surprised if that gets flagged. I guess that would be my point there, is that a lot I saw a lot of people saying that's horrible call, horrible call. I didn't think it was a horrible call. I've seen less flagged, and I've seen more let go. Fair enough. I don't think it's OPI. Or DPI. I did, I did not think

it was DPI. I want you to explain something real quickly, because I understand what a rub route is, but still the intention of the rub route is to create space via a rub and or a pick for the receiver, Samuel in this case on the inside to come free. What's the difference in your mind between a rub and a pick? Because you can't pick. Well, there are no picks of basketball play. Exactly. Okay, I just want to make sure we were talking about the same thing.

You can't make contact with the DB in football. I know. I mean, but I don't think he did. I think he did enough. There was contact. He was pushed into contact. Okay, but here's what I would say to you. I think it was a terrible call because,

of that. But when you're running those rubs or those picks, you can't make contact. And you have to sell, which I thought Dotson did well, that you're running your route. So if there is contact, it's not intentional contact. It's really... So here's the way I always thought of it. And this is how I always tried to operate. So the way you want that to work out is he starts to come in on the slant or in-rout. He is trying to do anything he can to set a angle to make the defender run underneath of him. And so think of it like you're walking down a hallway and somebody else is walking in your direction and you do that weird side shuffle like, oh, oh, oh, sorry, anyway, avoiding you.

Yeah. You just want to make sure they always avoid you to your right in that situation. I mean, it's that awkward. Like, I don't know which way we're going here, but I do know, I just don't want to tell you that you are going underneath me. And so if that DB sets an angle higher, then he says, at that plant route had a higher angle. So try to continue to force him to some point.

But it's never been coached. Like I was never coached this way. I would not coach it this way. You don't want to make contact. You're trying to entice the defender to just go underneath you because he can't make up the separation if he goes underneath. And then the way it's read out by the quarterback is once the DB makes the decision to go underneath you, you're throwing the route the wheel behind it.

Yeah. If the DB goes high over the top, you just bang the slant. You're reading that defender that you're trying to rub, and you're trying to just make him make a decision. It's not a predetermined. We're throwing, we are picking for this guy, and this is the only guy. That's not a predetermined route. It's the decision off of the defender.

Sure. It's... So you're not coached to run into him, and I think he was pushed into him. I think he turned his body clean, and I think it was fair play. In basketball, if he goes underneath the screen, you're popping the jump shot. If he's fighting over top of the screen, you're turning the corner and you're playing full pick and roll. Or pick and pop. And it's the same thing. You've got to read what happens in that process with the DB.

You got her, buddy. All right, what else? Look, I thought the secondary played really good. We talked about it. I think Fuller played really well. I mean, a couple big plays. The drive on the 3rd and 4, 3rd and 5 on AJ Brown to have a pass breakup was huge. The 4th interception was really, really good, and it was a big play in the game in a close game at the time.

I mean, he looks flat-footed as a single high safety, but he's able to flip his hips and run to the post. And then to make a big-time play on the ball was huge. I love St. Juice. I think he's a heck of a player. The D-line wasn't a dynamic impact in this game in terms of statistics, but they kept hurts in the pocket. had a good plan to slant and stunt and loop around and keep him in the pocket throughout the game. And essentially, they played this Philly team in a lot of man coverage after the first couple series where they converted first downs. So I was really impressed.

I mean, there's a couple, there's a botch early third and ten down around 30. The Vonté Smith gets at like 12 or 13 or whatever. It's about one of the only plays where they're looking around pre-snap, like what do we got? you know, they really settled in defensively. You hold Philly to no big plays and to essentially two scoring drives. I'm not counting the sack fumble.

Yeah. Which, by the way, wasn't Heineke's fault. No, Lucas was beat immediately. Yeah, was not Heineke's fault. I mean, so I'm not, and I'm not counting that as a Philly big-time drive. You hold them the way the defense held them, and I think really impressive.

You know, a couple third downs. I'm sure they'd like to have back, but they made those adjustments. Oh, the last thing I wanted to mention, I didn't say this about Robinson. I thought his best three runs were first and ten from the ten, second and what the four that he almost looks like he gets in, and then the third one to get the ball over the goal line.

I didn't say that, but I was impressed by those three things. And that essentially is everything I got for you. That's a lot. You really did. A great job today. I'm actually surprised because when we talked yesterday, I didn't know that you were going to actually spend the time to look at it. I thought we were just going to have another conversation about the game because you did watch the game, but you clearly went, because you told me last night the all 22 is not even up. And what did I say to you is I was half

asleep talking to you last night. It'll be up tomorrow. Watch it. I said it'll be up late tonight. You got up to once it. You did. That was well done. I appreciate it. What? Remember the last breakdown with Philadelphia when we said it's the defense that you got to attack in the middle you got to run the football and you said why didn't they do that and then I said because they're idiots and then I paid me to say that but I said it anyways and then I got quote I didn't pay you to say it

just make sure you tell everybody that's not true I don't lie you fenced it over in the head it became a headline I didn't pay you anything I didn't even think twice about that one actually I mean, I didn't even care. After it came out and you told me I didn't think twice about it. It wasn't good, but you know what? They're not idiots.

They learned from their mistakes in the first game, and they came back and fixed the problem. Totally redeemed themselves. Do you think to do it next week? Here's the exact quote, all right, because I'm reading from the stories that were written. Cooley marveled that the Eagles played a three-man defensive front many times in the game. I don't know how many teams could play this in the NFL.

You were just counting on teams throwing the ball in first down. It's a three-four front as they can bail the two ends like linebackers. It's a three-four front with only one linebacker, which makes it a three-three. Sheehan reacted. Then why didn't they run against this? Cooley responded, because they're idiots. I don't know. They actually ran the ball okay when they ran the ball, but they never committed to it.

I think Scott Turner read this. Oh, he read it. I promise he read. He didn't like it. Yeah, pretty funny. Well, they... He read it, and then he said, he said on Monday,

I don't run the ball more this week. I really think we can run the ball again. All right, you'll give us a Houston preview for Friday, because I don't think this is an easy game. No. No game's an easy game for them right now. Right. All right.

Thanks for doing this. Back tomorrow with Tommy.