The Kevin Sheehan Show - Cooley Film & NFC's Best

Episode Date: October 6, 2020

Cooley and Kevin with a recap of the Monday night games and a quick discussion of the NFC's best teams. Then it's the "Cooley Film Breakdown" of the offense against Baltimore. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it. You don't need it. But you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Cheehan Show. Here's Kevin. It's a Cooley and Kevin Tuesday. Tommy's going to be in tomorrow. He needed today off.

I'm not where he's going. He's traveling somewhere today. But he'll be with us tomorrow. Coolie's offensive film breakdown coming up on the show here shortly. I wanted to just... You told me before we got started here, you did not see the Patriots Chiefs game last night. You did see the Patriots.

the Falcons Packers game. I really didn't see a lot of that one. Cooley, the Patriots Chiefs game was really, it was one of those NFL games where, first of all, New England went off as an 11.5 point underdog. They haven't been that big of an underdog since the first Super Bowl win over the Rams in 2001. In fact, Belichick's only been a seven point underdog. A seven point underdog or greater 11 times in New England, and he's won six of those games outright and covered in nine of those games. So he is an 11.5 point underdog in Arrowhead against the Chiefs last night in the postponed game from Sunday afternoon with Brian Hoyer at quarterback. And I'm telling you, they were playing the perfect game, except they had all of these opportunities to legitimately win the

game or potentially win the game, but they just didn't go New England's way. For starters, they dropped two flat out drops of interceptions. Like Mahomes, confused by whatever Belichick was doing, and two interceptions dropped. And then there was a call that you may have read about or seen the highlights. Mahomes gets hit, fumbles the ball, it's recovered. They're actually returning this fumble, and Tony Carente called it in the grasp. It was a 10.5. It was a terrible call. Yeah, and they're not supposed to make that call, Kevin, because they know that they can go back and look at it. You're supposed to let a fumble play out. And, well, this was an in, yes, he should have, it was in the grasp, but wasn't whistling a fumble return dead.

He whistled the play dead because he deemed Mahomes to be in the grasp before the fumble. You're not supposed to do that. Anyway, but it means Belich can't challenge the call. Then the Patriots get the ball back, six three, and they are driving at the end of the first half. And they are managing this drive Cooley perfectly. It was a 13 play, 60 play drive, eating the clock, keeping the ball out of Mahomes' hands. I've never seen so much patience with Josh McDaniels calling the plays in sticking with the run in an under two-minute situation. I'm going to give you this final drive of knowing. England's half. I'm sorry, it was a 13 play drive. Hold on. It was 13 plays and they only drove the ball

39 yards in five and a half minutes, okay? Think about that. 13 plays 39 yards. That is an average. I can do that math. That's an average of three yards per play. And they took five and a half minutes of the clock. Under two minutes to go, they run Damien Harris for three yards at the Kansas City 40-yard line. they let the clock run. It's third and five. They run the ball again. It's a draw to James White for six yards and a first down. They continue to let the clock roll as it's at Kansas City's 31-yard line. And I know what he's doing. He's like, we are not giving Mahomes the ball back even with 15 seconds left because they can score. They want to time this thing up to be down with a chance to take shots at the end zone or kick a field goal and go into half.

halftime 6-6. The next play is a run on first down. They're running the ball more over in the final two minutes when they're in scoring range and then they finally call their first time out with 45 seconds to go. Then Hoyer hits a pass to James White for 15 yards. Second timeout, 39 seconds to go. They're at Kansas City's 14-yard line. This is perfect. 39 seconds left, one time out to go. have plenty of time to get it into the end zone or kick the field goal and leave Mahomes with like nothing left. First and 10 at the Kansas City 14, Damien Harris for five yards. They run the ball. And they call their third timeout with 33 seconds to go. And now Mahomes is not going to touch the ball. Now Mahomes has no, there's basically no chance for Mahomes to really have much time left at all.

The second and five play is a pass and it's not a good one. It's a swing pass. gets nailed. And now they're in hurry-up mode because James White couldn't get out of bounds. And the clock's running, but they still have, you know, they've got time. I mean, they could go up and spike it. They could go up and snap it and throw the ball into the end zone. They get up and clearly nobody has told Brian Hoyer that they don't have any timeouts left. And he drops back and now he's running around. I'm like, what are you doing, dude? What are you doing? The clock's rolling out. You better throw it. And he gets. sacked and the half expires. It was, for those of us on New England last night, plus the points,

I was like, you've got to be kidding me, dude. This is a, this is a Belichick coach team. Did they not tell him that they had used all three of their timeouts? Did he not just experience calling three timeouts in a row? You can't take that sack. You've got to get out of the way. You've got to chuck it anywhere. And so a perfect drive ends up with no points. Second half, they're in the game. And then they are on another long drive in a six to three game still. And he gets hit and fumbles at the Kansas City 12-yard line. And that was it. Two big mistakes in the red zone. They put Stidham in. He had a touchdown drive in. Then he also had a pick six. And they lost 26 to 10 on the pick six. which got Kansas City to cover.

It was just one of those games where, I don't know what it is, but when you have a major underdog but a really well-coached team, it's interesting to watch. Like Belichick under, you know, Belichick with a team that's way overmatched, it was really interesting to watch him coach up the team against Kansas City. And I give McDaniels a lot of credit too. I think sometimes he really doesn't get as much credit. as he probably deserves.

I think McDaniels does get a lot of credit as an offensive coordinator. Maybe the reason he's not given the credit was because he wasn't good as a head coach in Denver, and then he did the weird thing to Indy before Frank Rack ended up taking over, like put together his whole staff and they hired everybody. Right. So no one likes him. That's why he doesn't get credit. He does do a heck of a job, though.

He does a really good job. That was the first game that I watched. How good was Aaron Rogers in the second game? Rogers was incredible. He's a wizard right now. He's good Aaron Rogers this year, and it's fun to watch. She's lightning quick with his release. He knows exactly where he wants to go in the pocket.

He knows where he wants to go with the ball. He hit this dude, Robert Tonyon for three touchdowns in the game. And they're contested, like tight window throws, timing throws, balls out exactly when it's got to be out. I mean, one of them's just a quick crosser. And it's right in front of Dionne Lewis, one of the best players for Atlanta, who doesn't really have a good defense. It's just he's winning, and I know that both of their backs are good, because they just are, and Aaron Jones is incredible,

but he's winning with, like, Robert Tonion and Valdez Scantling and Shepard and Taylor, like, he's got no Devante Adams last night. No Devante Adams last night, and he's got almost nobody out there, and it really doesn't matter. They're scheming it up. I mean, I thought Atlanta did as good of a job for, while defensively and they they kept this game in hand for for a long time um it was really interesting too watching alana because atlanta can really move the ball and they can really

score they've proven that and i thought green big green bay did an excellent job against it against the falkins i mean they're leading receivers this dude like i don't even know how to say his name zakias who for for atlanta they have well they have i mean ridley Julio Jones was hurt. He was banged up, and you could see him. He was hurt. Ridley's been the star this year, and he didn't have any catches. It wasn't in this game.

Yeah. You have, like, no catches. He's my fan. He's one of my fans. I have him and Julio Jones. And I lost by six points last night. I've got my homes, and I got Jones and Ridley in the game, and they gave me nothing. And I lost my fantasy matchup by six points.

Anyway. Well, if you'd have Robert Tonian, you'd have Robert Tonian, you'd have one. fantasy match. You know what? I could probably add them right now or probably, I'm sure it's too late now. Galvin Ridley five target zero receptions. Oh my God, five target zero receptions. Jesus. And Atlanta

just can't get it going with in the run game. I don't know if I love Todd Gurley. They couldn't get it going in the run game. How about that about Gerea Smith for Green Bay's good? How about that about Gurley? Like, what happened? He went from

one of the two or three best backs in the game and getting a massive deal to clearly falling out of favor with Sean McVeigh and not being healthy, I guess. And his career seems like it's in jeopardy here. Want to watch me run right now with a bum knee? That's what happened. He's got no cartilage in his knee. He's had a couple of good games, though, this year, right? I think he's still a good player. He's just not the explosive player that he was. He had a couple touchdowns in this game. He won me my fantasy game.

I was down. He scored a couple of touchdowns in this game. Who's the best team in the NFL? His own run game was so explosive a couple years ago. I know. Who's the best team in the NFC? I mean. Seattle, Green Bay.

I mean, Rams, 49ers, Saints, Tampa. Nobody in the east. Who's the best team? It's Seattle or Green Bay, right? I mean, right now, although I think Tampa's got a real good shot. I think they're just going to keep getting better. Tampa's awesome. I like Green Bay.

I do. I think Green Bay is really good because I think they're pretty good on defense. Surprisingly, I think they're pretty good on defense. I don't know why that's a surprise, but Seattle isn't right now. They're banged up. Seattle's a good football team. I'm not sure on the Rams, and I don't know why, because they were in Super Bowl two years ago, and it wasn't like they were awful last year.

They had a down year late. Do you know that the Rams are three-in-one, and their three wins have been over the NFC East, the Cowboys, Eagles, and Giants with their fourth NFC East game in their first five. They have not played a division game yet, and they won't through Sunday. They've played the entire NFC East through this coming Sunday, and then they'll get their first division game against the 49ers. It's amazing. The NFC East Wildcard, that extra spot's going to be wide open.

What? You wouldn't think it was. But right now, it almost looks like a one in three team's going to end up getting it. I mean, San Francisco and Arizona both two and two, Carolina is two and two. I mean, those are all good football team. What are you talking about the NFC? The NFC east at this point, things change. We're only a quarter. No, the NFC.

Oh, the NFC. The NFC is really interesting. The NFC East is not very interesting. Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, you're going to have, remember, you've got an expanded playoff format for the first time this year. It's going to seven. So there are three wild card teams in addition to the four division winners. So if we said right now, Green Bay, Tampa, and Seattle are going to be the division winners, and then whoever comes out of the east, Philadelphia, Dallas, whatever.

The teams that are, I mean, you're going to have Chicago, New Orleans, Rams, Niners will be back into it. I'm telling you, keep an eye on the Panthers, and they're going to keep getting better during the course of the year. Yeah, I mean, the NFC North has been the disappointment because of Minnesota, although they are capable offensively, just too bad defensively. You know, it's sort of the same thing in the AFC. Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Tennessee, Kansas City.

You know, four undefeated teams at the top of the divisions. And then you've got, you know, the Colts who Cooley so far defensively look outstanding. Obviously the Ravens, the Browns, the Patriots. There's going to be a good team or two left out of the AFC postseason when we get there. Oh, yeah, Las Vegas is a pretty good football team. Las Vegas. You know, I've been banging this drum for a long, long time, like six years, long time, finally happened last night.

What? Bill O'Brien was fired. Yes, you have been banging that drum. I can't stand Bill O'Brien. I've never thought he was good coach. I've thought those teams were better than they've been every single year. And granted, they made the playoffs a couple of years and have had success. But I thought they had potential chance.

championship teams for three or four years. And Bill O'Brien finally took over as the GM and just wrecked shop. I didn't think he was a good coach. They gave him a hell of a team. He didn't, he didn't piss the bed every year, but it wasn't good enough. And then you give him GM responsibilities, and he gets the Pampers Bedwetter of the Week award. You know, okay. He's terrible as a GM.

Of course. Awful as a GM. He shouldn't have been given that responsibility. Rick Smith was an excellent GM. His wife passed away and he's been out of football ever since. You and I've had this debate before. I watched a guy totally turn around and keep Penn State competitive off of the Jerry Sandusky thing. I thought he did a phenomenal job there. And then it is interesting because, of course, we have this particular franchise here to compare even moderate success to. He was the coach in Houston for six seasons, okay, and then, you know, four games this year, and won four division titles in six years. And the worst division in football over those six years. Well, I mean, you say that. Indie Jacksonville. Indy had some Andrew Luck years in there.

Tennessee has not been good. Tennessee had not been good until the last two years. in the worst division of football. There was some Andrew Luck years in there. They were here and there. Four division titles, and in the other two seasons, he went nine and seven in his first year

and did not make the playoffs, and then went four and 12 in 2017. And keep in mind, he just never, until he got Deshaun Watson, had a quarterback. I mean, in those first two years that they were in the playoffs, he had, I mean, who was,

it was Tom, Savage in others. I mean, Savage one year. It was four year one year, I think. Terrible quarterbacks. Anyway, if you told me right now that Bill O'Brien would come here

and we'd win the division four times in the next six years, I mean. Well, you wouldn't because you don't have a type of team to win the division. Yeah. He did. I wonder if Bill O'Brien gets a head coaching job. he can go back to college well that's okay fair enough

I wonder if Bill O'Brien gets an NFL head coaching job I mean we'll see the way it looks right now is Adam Gays and Dan Quinn are the next two Dan Quinn's done in Atlanta I agree with that let me just make one other comment about Bill O'Brien I'm not I'm not you love him it's no I don't love him

it's not that I love him I just always I have found the criticism of a guy that's won four division titles in six years in the NFL, just to be interesting. This is a guy who a lot of respected people have employed, starting with Bill Belichick. He worked for Belichick in New England multiple times with the Patriots. He worked for Ralph Regian at Maryland in a couple of Ralph's years when he was here. He worked for Cutcliffe, I think, at Duke. Like there are some very well-respected people in coaching that thinks something of him. And maybe it's that he's a good assistant.

Maybe he's just a better assistant than he would be as a head coach. I think Brady liked Bill O'Brien a lot. Am I right about that? I can't remember if Brady liked him a lot. I wouldn't be surprised to see him go back to New England. Like, Josh McDaniels might get a head coaching job after this year. Like, that wouldn't be a surprise. And I'm not suggesting that he isn't a good assistant coach.

That is not the suggestion. I know. I bet he's an incredibly loyal guy. I bet he's a hardworking guy. I just haven't liked Bill O'Brien as a head coach. I understand. I just don't think he's got his team ready to play. This year, not.

He's terrible at managing his team as a GM. That is obvious. His trades over the last couple of years have been horrendous. His dislike for certain players and is willing to move on with them, like Jadavia and Clowny is assonine. Like some of the stuff that he's done as a GM is unforgivable. The head coaching stuff, I just haven't particularly liked him in critical games. is a head coach. Fair enough. Fair enough. I want to go real quickly back to Green Bay. I think I remember

you talking about Matt Lafleur, but you haven't talked about Matt Lafleur a lot. What do you think of Matt Lafleur as a head coach? Clearly last year, there was a lot of, you know, a lot of criticism about Green Bay's offense, and they won 13 games. This year, they're lighting it up offensively. And you hear, you know, you see a lot of the West Coast stuff and Roger seems to be really comfortable with it now. What do you think of the job Matt LaFleur is doing? How can you not be incredibly impressed by Matt? I didn't think Matt was ready. And I think a lot of people questioned whether or not Matt was ready. I think out of that staff, he was more ready than, let's say, Zach Taylor. And I think him going to

Tennessee and calling plays and working in the zone game with another team and rebuilding it again. And I think that helped him a lot, man. Like he seemed like a different person. I remember meeting him in the tunnel after a game late in Tennessee. You remember the Washington game that they almost pulled out. It was maybe Jay's best head coaching performance of all time in Tennessee late where he started chance. Yeah, definitely.

And they were under like, who was the quarterback? It was like the fifth quarterback. Who was Josh Johnson? Josh Johnson. But I talked to Matt after that game and he seemed a lot different. It seemed like he was more ready. I still questioned it when he went to Green Bay. And I've always joked and told a couple of Matla-Flor stories that I think are funny.

But clearly, he's formed a great relationship with Aaron Rogers. And he's got a good flow as a play caller. When you watch Green Bay, like, flow and understanding the defensive coordinator and what's coming and what they're going to call and what situations, he really seems to have down. Right. So I've been impressed with Matt LaFlor and I think Green Bay's gotten better personnel-wise. I think they've gotten better talent-wise.

I mean, for God's sakes, the other thing is like maybe this wasn't the biggest thing, but as a first-year head coach to go and get savage last year, that was a reach. I mean, maybe he's not the biggest part of that. But for him to go out in his first pick overall to be Darnell Savage from Maryland, like 20. Right. I mean, that shows to me an understanding and a trust of what he believes in as well. What about Jordan Love? I don't have a problem drafting a quarterback in the first round.

If you think that there's a chance within four years, he's going to be a good player. Within three years, he could be a good player. And at the same time, you could end up trading that guy. Yeah, you could. if Rogers is still Rogers. I don't hate the Jordan Love pick. I actually, you know, I like Jordan Love a lot. I think he's going to be a good player.

I do. I've got a, I've got a chance to be around Jordan Love a couple times in person, play catch with him, talk football with him. He's a Utah State guy. Yeah, I know. And I think Love seemed like a reach in the first round because of the year he had at Utah State,

but they switched head coaches and it was an entirely different offense for him. It was his third offense in four years. And I thought, I thought he'd pressed a little bit, but he had no weapons. I don't know. Love reminds me of Josh Allen, at least his college career did. Aaron Rogers is 36 years old. He's going to turn 37 in December. Tom Brady's 43.

What we're seeing in football is we're seeing the ability to play with the greats into their early to mid-40s. I mean, Jordan Love's opportunity may come somewhere else down the road because Aaron Rogers doesn't look like he is anywhere near. finished. He's having one of the best starts to a season we've seen any NFL quarterback having sometime. 13 touchdowns, no interceptions, and over 70% completion percentage. 81.8% completion percentage last night where he was 27 of 33 for 327 and 4 touchdowns. It's really interesting to watch them. It just seems in their games like it's impossible you know, when you watch the Packers. It's the same way I feel about the Chiefs. Although last night, it just seems like the Packers never punt.

They're one of these teams that if somehow you get them off the field with a punt, it's a miracle. And it usually takes like a drop pass or a penalty that sets them back to get them off the field. You know what I mean? Like it just doesn't ever seem like they are, that you can get them off the field. And your best hope is let's just get some stops in the red zone and force them to kick field goals. they're going to get it down to the red zone. It's so true. And I think it just goes to show what a running game means to a great quarterback.

Yeah. Because with McCarthy, they just never ran the football. Ty Montgomery was a running back for them for a long time. Or 88. That clearly shows how much they care about the run game with McCarthy. And you can see what McCarthy is doing in Dallas is he can put up yards and points. We can't run the ball, so it can't keep the ball. I just think that that, that, you know,

or that McFaigh, that Shanahan system, I think there's absolutely something to be able to run the ball that way in today's NFL. I'm looking at the number of punts on the season. Green Bay has the fewest number of punts on the season. They've only punted seven times in four games, seven times. And keep in mind, two teams, Tennessee and Pittsburgh, have only played three games,

and they've punted more than Greenland. Green Bay has. Green Bay, the fewest number of punts in the league. Where's Washington? Well, I guess you could have figured this. Guess who leads the league in most punts? Washington. Washington's punted more times than anybody. And that's actually remarkable considering they had five turnovers two weeks ago. Five two weeks ago and they've had a couple other turnovers. Yeah. So a couple of the turnovers were on the other side of the field where you wouldn't have punted, though. One definitely was.

Yeah. Well, one of them, the Carl Joseph return was because they were approaching field goal range, but you know, the others weren't. The others were deep in their own territory. It would have been punts. They had one fumbled down in the red zone early this year, maybe the second week or first week. Yeah. All right. Let's

get to your offensive film breakdown from the game against Baltimore right after this word from one of our sponsors. We're going in Play-by-play. The Cooley Film Breakdown. Here's Cooley and Kevin. The offensive film breakdown from the Ravens game.

The screen breakdown. The swing pass, the checkdown breakdown. Let's get into it, man. We start with Dwayne, as always. This is an interesting game for Dwayne, because you look at it and you say it's 32 or 45. 319 yards passing. Completed 71% of his passes.

If you look at it, from the game and you listen to the announcers, he was under duress the entire game. Is that what the announcers were saying? They kept saying like, man, he's just been under pressure so many times. I counted nine pressures. Nine.

Yeah. Nine pressures. Right. So I didn't think he was under pressure a lot of the time. Maybe 10, maybe. Dwayne Haskins. So I added all this up. Just before we start all of this stuff.

I added every play. yards after the catch on balls thrown four yards or less anywhere from four yards to minus nine yards there was a weird swing pass you through the inman nine yards behind the line of scrimmage or to right on balls thrown four yards or less there was over a hundred yards in yak yeah now it's more like 140 yards in yak but those don't count as air yards or passing yards for Dwayne. Wright had 18 yards on the ball thrown nine yards behind the line of scrimmage.

It's only goes into the books as a nine-yard game. There's still an 18-yard yak. I mean, that's a lot of yards after the catch on balls thrown four yards or less behind the line of scrimmage. And I wasn't diligent in counting everything. If it was like one or two falling forward, I didn't even count it. It counted the impactful ones.

Realistically, there was over 100 yards yak on the stat sheet, thrown four yards or less, and I'm not counting the screens. There were nine screen plays in this game, at least nine screen plays, with over 100 yards in screen yardage on all plays thrown behind the line of scrimmage. And I think they were all like just those slip screens. They really didn't have any running back screens. They didn't have any tight end screens. They didn't have any pure in the middle of the field screens.

It was all exterior screens. So when you break that down, there is no way that you come up with less than 180 to close. to 200 yards, yards after catch. Am I going to downgrade a quarterback for that? Not necessarily. But it's also like a gymnastic performance where we can't do a double backflip, so we're going to add a cartwheel into the mix. Is that what it is?

Wow. I was thinking the exact same thing. That's a perfect analogy. When you can't do the double, you know, flip with the twirl, you just, you just do a somersault in the middle of it. Just add an extra somersault. But you do it with flare. It's the floor routine where you add a couple like little extra leaps. Yeah. Because you're great at leaps. He executed what they called on some of these. Some not. But on the screens, what do you want to do? He had over 100 yards passing on screens. I mean, he had 64 on two screens

to Gibson alone. One in a third and 11 for 40. I know. Getting the ball into the playmaker's hands. Seriously. He's under pressure. Nine or two, out of ten times under pressure, I felt like he was two of seven passing, panicked in pressure. Yeah, he did, I thought. He also took at least one unnecessary sack. I thought he was good to the middle of the field, and he was much more accurate with balls thrown in the middle of the field or within that 10-yard range. He actually was. Oh, 13 of his passes were thrown behind the line of scrimmage that I counted. 13 of them. Wow. That's a lot of balls thrown behind the line of scrimmage.

That's a lot of roundoffs. So many roundoffs. That's not a scissors leap. That's just a roundoff or a front walkover. It's more than that. It's more than 13. I mean, it's 13 plus 9 screens. I mean, so it's really like over 20 of 46 passes are behind the line of scrimmage.

I understand that he was 32 of 45. He had a completion or a pass attempt to McKissick earlier where it was a defensive holding. So going through the game, before we go through the game, just quickly, like this, they're trying to do what he did at Ohio State. Yes. It's exactly what Urban Meyer did at Ohio State, except Urban Meyer wasn't there, right? Yeah. Was he there Urban's last year? Was that Urban?

Yeah. Well, Ryan, I mean, he was there with Urban. Ryan Day, yeah. It is what most people, a lot of high school coaches, called the mesh concept, where you have a, one or two crossing receivers at five yards and they sit over the middle of the ball about 10 or 11 and then a possibility to throw outside if you want to throw outside. It's what James Lockton in the game called 269X sneak. It's just it's not West Coast.

It's actually not two either. It's 0.69. I don't know what he's talking about with Coriel stuff. I spent 10 minutes this morning just trying to remember how Al Saunders would have termed that just because of James Lofton's one quote. waste of my time. Yeah, that would have been. But it was screens. It was get the ball out of your hands quick. It was simple concepts. It really was. And then there were three or four completions in RPO. They are not dynamic in what they're calling. So our floor routine is like you go to the gymnastics

competition and your dad is like, this is the routine you're going to execute. Okay. I know you think you can do a double back flip. But this is a really challenging place that we're doing this gymnastic stuff in. And there's a lot of pressure here. And like, I don't want you to try it today. You just did what dad said. You know, dad said, don't do the double back flip. We're going to do the forward roll.

We're going to do some cartwheels. We're going to hold off on the handstands that you've been working on them. And the back bend, back bend, back bend kickover. We're definitely going to pass on today. Yeah. We'll get one tumble where you have a very good roundoff and maybe into one back handspring. Be careful with that one, though. You don't want to fall.

It was just so simple. Don't you give Scott Turner some credit for that, though? They move the football. Yeah, I mean, if you wanted to say that Dwayne Haskins needed to pass a quiz in any way, shape, or form, and I know what they were talking about. It was on one series or one situation. the quiz is like pre-algebra in math right he passed it though he did pass that pre-algebra quiz he did and i'm not being dismissive of it that was the quiz that was given to him and he passed that quiz

for the most part a squared plus b squared equal c squared we could just go with that the phythagorean theorem yeah we could get we could go with the pythagorean theorem or we could get into the quadratic formula which if i recall is like that negative B plus or minus B squared 4AC over two something. You know, you're good. Just stay away from sign, cosine, any kind of charting. Just stay away from any, you know, anything like that. Right.

I think we're being mean to him right now. We're actually going to talk about geometry in this a little bit. Okay. I was much better at algebra and trig and calculus than I was at geometry. I don't know why. I was never a good geometry student. Go ahead, though. Like one of the throws in the game.

Are we going to have to do a proof? Well, one of the throws in the game was tipped by Logan Thomas, and it looked like he was throwing over the top of Logan Thomas, trying to hit Inman. And that was on that mesh concept. And in that mesh concept, you'd really like the two meshes to cross each other, and then over the ball guy, if you were to draw lines, to have an equal lateral triangle.

It would not a right angle triangle. Not a 90-degree. And they have that 90-degree, and when you're throwing the 90-degree, it means you've got to throw over point A to get to point B, and that's a hard throw because sometimes point A thinks it's to him. Okay. There are a lot of people. I know how bright our listening audience is,

but I think we should move this down to like basic addition and subtraction. All right. I love a quarterback who can get a quarterback sneak on Fourth and One. I know you do. That's basic addition, subtraction. I love that you can get a quarterback sneak. The positives here, and that's kind of starting it. Run action pass to Terry on an out and up and stop.

Complete. First and 10, move the chains like that. Missed on a crossing route downfield in the second quarter. It's a great ball down the field. Should have been caught. I love moving the ball down the field. I love taking shots down the field. It was good on slants to Terry McLaurin.

I thought he was pretty good on the mesh concept, reading that thing out and filling space in there. You're really just reading the interior defenders in the space on that. third and two had a nice throw to inman or third and three in the third quarter moved the chains the third and seven or the seven team played drive he made a couple really good throws on that drive those were where some of his bigger throws started great ball to tarry to start start that thing off on a first and ten hit the tin down the seam for 18 yards that was big time he ends up throwing one away I think on the next play it's a good throw away they tried to they threw nine slip screens

they tried to fake the slip screen and then take a shot down the field, like pump it and take a shot down the field. Right. He wasn't there. He threw it away. I got no problem with that. I noted, like, you could probably step up and run the A gap. You don't have to throw it away.

He had room to run. Right. This was interesting. On that drive, he had a completion to Sims on a slant. Indic really contested coverage. Not Sims, right? Cam Sims. Oh, Cam Sims.

Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm going to try to keep this as simple as possible, but I'm going to explain this. This is a positive because he fit the ball in there, and it was accurate. This is a negative because of the way I've seen this route coached in every offense that I've ever been in.

He's got two slants to his left. On his right, he has a flat route running out towards a sideline and another slant. This has always been read out, whatever system I've been in that if there's one safety in the middle of the field, you work the flat slant side. If there's two safeties, you work the two slant side.

It's just the way that these concepts work versus zone coverage. There's also one less defender to the flat side. He threw the double slant side to single high safety and fit it in there. I promise you when they watch film, like Scott Turner is going to say, what are you seeing here?

What are you seeing here on what you'd call the lion side or in their offense, which is probably the 22 side? What are you seeing on the 22 side? Like, why don't you work the 12 side? I promise he'll say that. It's weird to work that side. You fit it in, though. Yeah, but it's an indication that he's not really

reading it the way they want him to more likely than not is what you're getting at. I'm getting at that exactly. I'm also getting at that this is like the first day install for every team. Like this is day one. Two slants and flat slant. Like everyone runs this. He knows.

Predetermining stuff. Who should he have thrown the ball to here on this play? Because I'm looking at the play right now. The slant on the right side. The flat defender is going to run with the flat and the slant's going to come open in a window right behind it. He's got to fit it in before he gets to the middle linebacker. easy throw. I'm getting to the point where I'm starting to understand. There's more yak to after that throw if he makes that. Well, he's going to either throw a pick or get his guy blown up.

And I think it's Humphreys in front of Sims that just doesn't hit him because of the rules in the NFL now. Yeah. He threw the two slant side into three defenders right there. Yes, he did. I see. But it didn't know. Arm strength, baby. He has that. I think he likes throwing slants to his left way better. Yeah. He's completed slants to his right, though. I thought fourth and two was a big completion rolling right. I love changing the spot of the quarterback. And after that play, I noted, they didn't boot once in this game.

Can I, I just want to ask one quick question, and I'm going to forget it if I don't ask it about this Sims play that you focused on with him reading it incorrectly. I've noticed, or I noticed Sunday anyway, but I think I noticed it in the Arizona game, too. There are a lot of receivers that are awfully close to one another on some of these routes. On this play in particular, the checkdown is too close. The checkdown, I think, is Gibson, Cooley.

It's way too close to the slot guy, which is Thomas maybe. I can't see. No, it's not Thomas. It's Inman's route. He's too close to Inman. Like, how is he going to throw that to Inman with the checkdown getting to a point? that's almost in the way. Do you know what I mean?

Yeah, I know exactly what I mean. And it could be a botch on the checkdown. Normally to the two slant side, I would have a swing from my back. Right. But you can run a spot at, like you can run at like what you'd call like a two by two, two yards outside the tackle,

two yards deep. I thought I noticed that. On that two slant side, what you want is you want your inside slant. You're going to read the inside slant first. You want him to pull coverage so you can throw the second slant behind it. That's when you have cover two or two high safeties.

You're trying to get three interior defenders to have to play that inside guy and then you get a hole behind it. When you have four underneath defenders, that ball does not go to that slam. So it's congested, but they have another defender on that side as well. It's just you don't work that side. I just thought I noticed and I made a note that I didn't mention to you yesterday that there were a couple of plays where there seemed like it was the one play where you talked about him throwing to either Thomas or somebody else.

I forget exactly what play it is, but there were two guys relatively close to each other. It's like there's not great spacing. Here's one for you. The next play. I thought he, well, it's a couple of plays later, but it's on that drive. Yeah. I thought he threw a great ball to Inman down the field later in that drive.

There was a couple of good throws I want to talk about before that, but later in that drive to your point, Inman's running a deep end. Thomas is running a clear through the middle of the field. Before the ball's thrown, Thomas decides to settle down in the middle of the field for God knows why and almost drift back towards Inman. I thought it was a great throw by Dwayne.

He doesn't feel Thomas stopped that route. He shouldn't feel Thomas stopped that route. And Inman drops it in the middle of the field. I thought it was a tight window throw that was a good throw to Inman, but it looks like two receivers are right in the same place, but that's because your tight end just stopped. Okay. All right.

Go back to the play that you wanted to get to next. I'm sorry. I thought he threw a good ball to right on an in-ball. I thought he hit Terry on a five-step slant. That was a good ball. I thought that he started throwing the ball down the field a little bit more on that 17-play drive, obviously until I get to the end of the drive, which we'll discuss.

Right. But I thought he made a couple good throws. And then the ball to Terry McLareness is great. The ball to Terry, is again, it's a fake screen. They pump the little screen to the outside and then Terry's running to go from the inside. That's a great play.

It's a great ball. It's great touch. It's great feel by Dwayne. It's a great ball. It's capable. Yeah. Some of the negatives. Look, here's a thing like,

he's more accurate this week. So some of the negatives are going to just be my perception of reads and stuff. And I'll be right, but you can take it or leave it for what you want. but I'll be right. Pressure on the first drive on a run-action pass. I thought it's a play where he could have slid and taken a shot to Gandy Golden. He's not open. It's one-on-one.

But when you talk about where you got a lot of softs, I'm like, this was man-to-man coverage. It's the first drive. It's a run-action pass. And to me, there's an opportunity to throw the ball down the field to Gandy Golden. On the first drive, on a first and 10, a overthrow by 10 yards to tear. McClure on a double move. It's a slant and go that everyone calls slug-o because you put the word slant and go together and you get slug-go. That ball went 10 yards over Terry's head. He gets

bumped a little bit. You could actually call this DPI because the ball in the air, he gets bumped a little bit. But the ball so far overthrown that they were just going to say it was uncatchable. Give him a back shoulder shot there. You know what I mean? Like you got a DB over the top. He didn't bite on the double move. If you're going to force it into that double move throw, give him a back shoulder shot. Like, let Terry open his hips up and pivot back and make a catch. I don't think Terry does a good job of selling the double move as I'm watching it here. He doesn't. He's not a great double move guy. I'm going to talk about that when we get to Terry.

But Duane, that ball's just... I hear you. It's not even close. Like, we don't just need to survive a bad play. Like, move on to somebody else or throw him a back shoulder ball. A lot of times when you have that sluggo concept, you work the sluggo hard, you pump the sluggo, and if he doesn't win, the goal is that you move the safety in the middle of the field so you can throw the middle of the field. You look at the sluggo hard and pump it to really try to get it. But when you really try to get it like he did, that's when you move the safety. And he did move the safety. Yes. The first third and six, he takes the sack.

It's a full line slide. At least you got to drift away from pressure. You got to know it's unblocked. You can't just stand their feet in concrete. Lester, Lester. Yeah, Lester call. You can hear it at the line of scrimmage. I can hear the line of scrimmage.

There's a couple times that you see full line slides with unblocked players. You know you're sliding your line that way. You know you're going to have someone unblocked. That ball's got to come out. To me, I'm probably going to work the side where they're bringing everybody from. It's funny because you listen to Peyton Manning talk, and he's like a lot of times the blitz, they're soft on the backside. But, man, I don't want to try to work.

He's trying to work away from the defender that's free. It's really hard to turn your back to a free rusher. Yeah, especially when it's a judon. Especially that. What should he have done here? I think this is an interesting play. Because the moment I saw it, early in the game, the third and six, he gets sacked.

Right when I saw him go empty set, and you could tell that there was a blitz coming. They went empty scent with McKissick in motion. This is an opportunity, too, because there's going to be somebody open more likely than not. But what should he do here pre-snap? So I think if he wants to work that side, he's got McKissick on this little whip route

that's going to be hard to throw because it takes a little bit of time. Logan Thomas is running a corner one-on-one with safety. You just let this go with air early to the sideline and see if Logan Thomas can run under it. or you work right into the judon side to your right, and I think Wright wins right now. But it's going to have to, the ball's going to have to be out before right breaks.

Like to his right side, there's three guys right on his right ends up winning quick across the face of the DB. Now, he's going to hit at the time that right cross his face, but you're going to have to just trust that he's going to be there. Should he have kept... If you want to do that, the other thing to do that would be to,

start to drift away from it. Should he have kept McKissick in the back field? You know you're fully picked up to the left. You can't just stand in the middle of the pocket and let someone free rush. Like watch great quarterbacks. I'm going to say watch Mahomes, but there's nobody better than Mahomes that just slight drift away from pressure. Aaron Rogers,

like watch these guys just slightly drift away from unblocked pressure. He knew it was unblocked. He had to know. Should he have moved McKissick into the backfield to pick up the unblocked? No. I think that would be a two here would be what would determine that and there's no way to tell that do you go into the huddle with two plays what people call a kill situation can where the quarterback can say kill kill kill kill kill you kill the first play or you can right you go into

that with that situation it certainly doesn't look like they have that if you go into the huddle with one play called it's hard to just say yo mackisick come back over here because mackisick doesn't The protection's already called in the place. Now McKissick is in a free five-man protection. Who's he going to block? I mean, you could pull them all the way back, change the play completely. You could call time out.

It's early in the game, third and six. But I think you just drift away from pressure and you throw, if you're going to stay left, you just drift left and throw Logan Thomas on a corner round. That's a hard pressure to drift away from. That is key. Judon's on him quickly. Yeah, but he's.

got to find a way to get himself an extra half second here. He knew he was free. Yeah, I agree. I mean, I just don't know what the solution was here other than what you said, which is to get it out of his hands quickly to Logan Thomas and let him run under it or to throw the quick slant to right. Yeah, one or the other, but the ball's got to be out. The McKissick Fumble, I thought he was way late getting to the checkdown. That was soft. You don't help your running back. I'm not going to suggest that he had any part in the fumble, but getting the ball to your checkdown a little quicker gives them a chance to make a move.

It was always hard when you get handcuffed as a checkdown player. You catch it and you turn in the dudes right there in your face. Like, there's not a lot to do. Yeah, I see. Third and seven, 11 minutes and 34. seconds in the second quarter. It's a six-man pressure. He works the right side to blitz. The right side has Terry McLaurin trying to pick and then run five yards over the tackle and sit down, and then a running back swinging out. It's one of the most common concepts they run. It's third and seven.

It's man to man. This is, if Terry gets a pick, you could throw the back and there's a chance, but Terry's not. I mean, this is a sit-down route. Like, he's sitting out at four yards. Like, It's going to be tough to get a first down here. I think the other side's clearly the side to work. You had a spacing concept. You should work the other side. Four minutes and 12 seconds down in the second, down 14.0. So run action, pass.

You have a crossing route and a post. This is not soft coverage here. If you look at this play. Which play is it? It's four minutes and 12 seconds. first and 10 at the 36. He immediately dumps the checkdown on a run-action pass. This is one of these situations where you got to read out back into low end.

He had time. You read the safety on his right side. If the safety is going to play deep, you throw the crosser. If he's going to cut the crosser, you throw the post. You just got to make sure that then the next thing would be make sure no one's falling into the post on the backside. But if you're worried about that, you don't throw it across the field. You throw it skinny and you let the post go get it.

on the right side of the hash or on his side of the hash. This is rookie stuff, man. Like, you got to read this out. He did not fully read this play out. I'm not sure if the safety is going to cut that crossing route. It looks like he is, which gives you one-on-one with the post. But he throws a checkdown too quick. Into the half, Miss McKissick down the sideline.

Again, unblocked pressure. He had pressure in his face. That's kind of the 20-yard shop. where McKissick had about three yards of separation running down the sideline. Got to float that ball a little bit so we can go get it. McKissick is a win. You got to give him a chance to go get that ball. He's not slow.

And then at the end of the half, the fact that he was going to actually run a play with six seconds left is beyond me. A lot of players do this, though. Like, coaches in charge of timeouts, I guess we'll just go. Right. Like the urgency in that situation, entirely on offense, and the coaching staff to allow that to get to where it got was assonine. Yep. No doubt.

I mean, you, I mean, Coach, you know what I'd like to do next week? I'd like to be down on the sideline giving the coaches a couple of quick quizzes during situational awareness time. Let's give the coach a couple of quizzes. Pop quiz, Ron. 42 seconds left in the first quarter, one time out. You get a ball completed inbound because McKissick can't get out of bounds. I don't know why he can't get out of bounds, but he doesn't.

What do you do? We want to run another play, so we could call timeout. But it's really, McKissick really. Yeah, he did blow that one. Into the second half. First series, the second half was not good. All right. I thought it was the most uncomfortable.

I made the note, I thought he looked so uncomfortable on the Barber play, on the second down play, and on the third down play. Like he was confused. Tell me what happened. Absolutely. Well, the first play throws a check down to Barber. It's the right throw. It's soft. It's just bad.

And again, he didn't make a bunch of bad throws. And so we wouldn't overdo this in any way. And I'm not going to. It was just not a good throw. There was an odd throwaway the next play to Terry McLaren. I thought in real time he had a ton of time. In watching it, I was like,

there had to be somebody open. There wasn't. But you can leave the pocket. There's not an invisible fence to your right side. Apparently there is. You're not, we're not saying you have to just dump it, throw in the,

like extend the play. He had, he could have ran, right. He could have moved right. He could extend the play. And then on a third and 10 to end that series, they look like they're bringing a bunch of pressure. They end up only bringing two. He starts to flush right hard and he immediately throws it out from the kissing. It's like a five-yard gain on third and ten. Just that was a good pressure. That got him. That's still a good pressure. Good pressure by Baltimore. Yeah, that was a good pressure by Baltimore.

into that 17 play drive pull up the third and two before the fourth and two in the 17 play drive it's an incompletion to Logan Thomas running contested tightly across the field at about four yards then just take a glance on what's going on right behind Logan Thomas it's Isaiah right Terry McLauran is sure. screaming open in the middle of the field. He throws it to Isaiah Wright on this play. Oh, was Isaiah right? Well, Terry McLaren's open directly behind him for a touch now.

Got to read these things out. I know it's third and two, and I know we'd like to get two yards, I understand that. We've got to read this out. Tell me, Terry McLauran isn't an easy throw there. Yeah, because it is. I mean, this is all stuff. Yeah, definitely. He's just got to let it go and let him run under it.

and maybe he doesn't score, but he's inside the five. He's inside the five. Certainly inside the 10. I'm not sure who the false start was on. It was on Rui, but every offensive lineman moved. To put you the first in 15, they throw a screen and, oh, he takes that 18-yard sack. Yeah, there was that play.

There was that. Look at that play. If you want to look at that play, there's a shallow cross in front of his face wide open. It's a five-yard game. if not with more run after the catch. And then it's like, dude, just step up in the pocket. You got some pressure to your right. He starts to move right.

I think if he immediately just flushes, he's at least going to drift back and not take the sack to his right. But then you can't pivot back. Right. That was a dagger. I didn't necessarily mind. They threw a screen the next play.

He threw a checkdown on third and forever. I didn't think he had much on the third and forever. the fourth and 13 is just we can sit here you're you're not going to find a guy open no you're you're not but that was so timing rhythm to checkdown it was unbelievable it was set your feet hitch soft coverage plant throw checkdown yeah that's not what you do like dude you can't throw like you have to say to yourself in your mind he doesn't exist until i at least run right that honestly i think in that situation doing that again unless i had a great concept and i knew what they would be in i would go scramble drill in the huddle on two i try to get them off sides i try

to i'd try to go hard off sides and i'd go scramble drill on two it's the only way these plays when you are in in the in the red zone and you've got a fourth or third in goal and you're playing against eight coverage three rushing. The only way you throw a touchdown pass is by extending the play times three. And that's why the great quarterbacks, Rogers and Wilson and Mahomes, end up throwing touchdown passes in these situations every once in a while, because they create all this time and then it's just havoc on the back end, and you got guys jukeing people and trying to get open and maybe somebody falls down. But it's not going to work. Like we've all watched enough football to know that against eight guys,

on fourth and goal in a condensed area, the play isn't going to be there, whatever it was. Certainly not in the time. It just makes no sense to me. What do you want? Let's come up with our play, Kevin. Let's call it Havoc play. Chaos. Chaos play.

Scramble drill. Off schedule one. Off schedule one. Let's make it off schedule 11. Quarterback must flush. find someone late. It's the play. I feel like, I mean, you can tell them all day you want him to throw it to the goal line.

But if that's what Scott Turner told him, like, this ball's got to go around the goal line. If you wanted to give him the answers to the quiz, the answer to the quiz was, we do want to get this ball into the end zone, but it's not going to happen in timing of this play. Right. They'll be, if they're soft, you're going to have to move to make something happen. Period. Yeah. So look, you look at this entire game.

game. And again, he was a lot more accurate in this game. Touch passes were better, weren't they? He didn't have as many touch-type passes, but throws to the sideline and swing throws were better. They were. I just, if you want me to sit here and say, like, Dwayne Haskins threw 71% and completed 319 yards. And, you know, a couple of things, he fell to one quiz and third and 17. And it's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, performance. I'm not going to say that. Like, I think what's the highest scale in gymnastics? Like, if this could possibly be a 10.0, the routine executed in this game could have been at best a 6.5.

Right. He was a 5 out of 6.5. It was a C-minus performance by the quarterback. And it, it was a tough defense, but it wasn't like this crazy pressure all day. It wasn't, Like you had nobody open all day. There were some throws to be made. But I mean, I guess finally, when I look at this over again for like the third time now, I can count six throws, maybe on one hand, maybe five throws that I say, all right, that's what we're building on. I'm then going to count 25 throws that I'm like, these are screen throws, swing throws,

easy throws, over the middle throws. These are easy plays. Everyone's going to make these in the NFL. They're not upgrade plays. They're just good. Made a play. Made the throw that you were supposed to make. C minus.

It's a C minus. You know, I talked about this on the show this morning because somebody tweeted me and said, Doc accused me this morning in a very fun way of doing a Save Haskins telethon. because basically Rivera yesterday indicated a couple of times coolly again, you know, we're going to have to make some tough decisions here. You know, it's gotten very interesting, talking about the division and Dwayne and the whole thing.

And somebody just said, dude, have you looked at his, you know, advanced numbers? And they gave me, you know, they gave me that number that a lot of the, you know, got analytics people, the air yards completion number, like the yards, the ball travels in the air, past the line of scrimmage prior to a completion. And Dwayne's 33rd out of 33 quarterbacks, because Jeff Driscoll has started, you know, in Denver. So they've already made a change there. And so he's 30-30s, dead last. 4.1 yards on average the ball travels in the air past the line of scrimmage prior to a completion.

And so I went and looked up these numbers. First of all, Kirk Cousins leads the league, and it's not even close. Cousins is throwing the ball down the field more than anybody in the league this year. But that's really not why I brought it up. I brought it up because Ben Rothesberger, quarterback of the 3-0 Pittsburgh Steelers, he's 29th in the league. Drew Brees, 31st in the league, two spots ahead of Dwayne. Patrick Mahomes, in completed air yards per completion.

The yards, the ball travels in the air past the line of scrimmage prior to completion. Patrick Mahomes is 26th in the league. Aaron Rogers is 16th, and then of the quarterbacks on winning teams that are doing really well with it, Lamar Jackson throws it down the field, Ryan Tannahill does, Russell Wilson does. My point is that there's a lot of ways to move the football and gain yards, and everybody does it a little bit differently. And just because our guy is dead last, doesn't mean, that that statistic is somehow revealing of your chances of winning or not, because it's not.

Kirk Cousins leads the league and air yards per completion. It's not even close. He's a full half yard ahead of Jeff Driscoll, who's two, and he's only played one game or whatever. And then Deshawn Watson and Lamar Jackson. And his team is one and three. Anyway. Yeah, I don't, I'm not trying to make a huge deal out of this stat by telling you that he threw the ball behind the line of scrimmage. I'm just explaining where yards came from in this game. Understood. But I think, but you've also said that. Here's what it is. You have to be able to throw the ball down the field and read things out down the field. Yeah. I think there's too much predetermining. Mahomes probably has a low number because they know he's going to read it out deep to short and they're playing it

for him to throw underneath. That's a big part of it. And Russell Wilson probably has a high number because he can move around and extend plays and get a lot of yards down the field that way. Right. You would like your quarterback to not be in dead last in air yards per attempt,

but again, a lot of what's been called is to be dead last. It would be different if he was accurate and their completion percentage throwing the ball down the field was better and they had more success when they did do it. I think that's one of the other biggest problems. By the way, The other number, which is completed air yards per attempt,

so this would include completed passes and incomplete passes. He's dead last in that category, too. That one's going to be more important there. Yeah, he's dead last there as well. Kirk Cousins is one, Russell Wilson's two, Jackson's three, Allen's four in that statistical number. All right, we'll get to the skill position players. grades on all of them right after this word from one of our sponsors.

All right. The skill position players, and we'll try to rip through most of these because I think a lot of guys, there's not too much to talk about. One guy there is, Antonio Gibson was absolutely excellent with the ball in his hands as a receiver. The couple of screenplays that he made were massive. The third and 11 is absolutely massive. And if Logan Thomas gets a block at the end of that third and 11 screen plays,

player stays on his guy just a little bit longer it's a touchdown right i'm not saying it's a terrible job by logan you don't know it's going to bounce but you always got to count on it bouncing but running crossers out of the backfield or out of a receiver situation was really good cut a shallow cross took it off i mean Gibson probably had close to 80 yards after the catch like what was his total stat line receiving uh i'll look it up right now i know he had 22 on a slip screen early I know we had 40 on another slip screen, so there's 66. I know I had another 10 after the catch on a shallow cross. Four for 82.

Yeah, so four for 82, and I'll bet you all of 82 were yak because a couple screens he got were two yards behind the line of scrimmage. Right. He can run with power. I like how he finished his plays. You know, one of his early runs was actually duo, our favorite plate duo. And he bounced it all the way back to the weak side. It was like a tight hitting behind the center.

guard right side play that he got stuck on and and went left all the way back to the weeks that I don't think I've ever seen that for that type of play on that on duo there's something I want to talk about though with Gibson and I think it's impactful and I think it's going to be important for the coaching staff and Gibson to understand he is predetermining his cuts in zone and he is not getting to the edge and pushing it far enough to the outside and it is so indicative by the way Baltimore played their run game now there were some good runs don't get me wrong on that but their linebackers fell off on everything. They hung back and they played behind blocks and made plays on the cutback plays. It was McKissick and it was Gibson. There is some room to continue to push

some of these zone plays front side. The linebackers are not running, which hurts you on a couple levels. One, it hurts the cutback and two, it hurts any of the run action game off of any of the zone run. They've got to find a way to get to the edge on some of these run plays. They are not even attempting to get to the edge. So I thought, well, he was excellent, excellent in the past game and as a receiver, I thought as a running back, it was like a B minus performance. Okay. Really, to be honest with you, I thought there were more plays to be had.

So I think you just have to find a way to push the edge more. I like some of the subtle avoidability that I think Gibson has. I like his physicality to run with pressure or to run with guys around him, to make plays. but I think that he's not setting up some of these zone runs the way he needs to set him up. I mean, there's a great example. He ends up scoring after the stream play. He goes in, there's a second and three play on the goal line or second two or something where he ends up getting the first down.

Go back and watch that play. It's a walk-in touchdown. And he's predetermining cuts when he doesn't need to. And what I'm saying is it wasn't a dagger in this game. but there are more yards to be had in the run game than they're getting. And if you watch Baltimore's linebackers and the way they played it, it was coached to play it back to play cutback. They had no fear that he was ever going to push it to the front side edge.

I'm giving him an A in the game. Good. I just want to note that. No, noted. It's a teaching moment for him. And a very positive one because you're using three, four-yard runs to teach and say, look, this could be an eight-yard run. Terry McLauram.

They keep trying to get to the double move with Terry, and he's not a double-moved guy. The very first run-action pass, he gets tangled up running in a corner post. He breaks out to the corner, and then he runs directly into the corner back as he's trying to get back to the post. There's no chance of winning there.

The very next play is a double move on a slant and go. And as many slants as he's caught, They should be able to get the slant and go stuff. And you looked at that already today when we talked about Duane. That's just not a play that's really run that well by Terry. He did finally win on a double move on a run-action pass. He ran an out and up and then stop at 10. So you're selling out and up, but you're really going to run a comeback off of it.

It's pretty good route. Really not a ton of negatives from Terry. like he had a slant that was behind him a little bit that I thought he could have caught. He dropped. He didn't separate huge from man-to-man coverage, but there were times when he had some winners. The deep ball late was awesome. He had a five-yard slant that he caught with good run after the catch.

The fourth and two was big time to come down with that thing. He had a catch on a scene ball in the third quarter on a run-action pass that I thought was great. Terry was being this game. 10 catches the most he's ever had in the game. B, your lowest grade for him this year, I believe. He was an A-minus against Arizona. Yeah. He would.

I mean, if you want to say any more, you can, but nine catches for like 42 yards. He had a B in the Philadelphia game. One catch down the field. Yeah. He has, he's been a B before. Okay, B. Inman. Inman. Inman and man coverage was wearing a blanket.

like a fucking warm blanket like a pendleton blanket like the entire game against man-to-man coverage and struggled to separate um there was a couple catches I don't know if anyone noticed this when you watch the game

but he had two catches one in the middle of the field it was a great throw by Dwayne to the middle of the field he had five yards of separation in every direction around him and he just fell down I think I do remember the play yeah what are we doing just it's late in the second quarter. Good throw of the middle. It was almost like you wanted to protect the catch.

Maybe he grew up a Ryan Grant fan. Well, Ryan Grant usually turned to run until he saw somebody and then he fell down. He did again on a third and three where he caught a little spot route for a first down. Get down. Right there. First down. Get down. Screw Jack.

I'm on down. Oh yeah. I just happened to have come on that play. Well, I mean, he makes the catch, which is important. because it's a third and three and it's deep in their own territory. But there's nobody around, well, there are some people around him, but he really doesn't.

He just falls to the ground. I've got the first down. We're moving the sticks. I'm not going to try to get anything more. I'm tired. That was good. We're good here. Got it, coach.

Okay. You could run, though. If you wanted to run, you actually could go ahead and run. We don't have any problems with that. The tip ball on the third and five that Logan Thomas tipped. that was thrown to Inman. This is a lot like I described last week, one in Inman pick.

There's spacing concepts in zone, and it's just poor spacing by Inman. It is. I mean, he's directly behind Logan Thompson. You got to pick more over the ball. It's bad spacing. Yeah. You got to have a feel for where you need to be.

And then he had to drop late in the game. It was a tight throw on a dig that he had to drop late in the game. Inman was a D. D is in Doug? Yeah, I thought Inman played poorly in this game. Okay. Cam Sims How did Sims play?

I need to pull that up. Sims had four snaps in the game. Kim Sims had four snaps? That was it. Two catches on four snaps. One of them. Well, the first catch was a little screen that you described yesterday as

and then he really wimped out. Yeah, he did. Yeah, he did. He got to contact at the top and he went, I got here. No, I don't want it now. I mean, he gets hurt. He's a guy that's been hurt a lot. He didn't want any of that. No, he didn't want any part of that. Still, it makes you play to get you into fourth and one.

Yeah, they got to fourth and one. Yeah, they made it, but he could have made it on his own. He could have made it on his own. I have him at nine snaps. I don't know what you're talking about. I haven't had nine snaps. There was no way it was four snaps because he was out blocking on a couple of the screens. I thought he didn't know good job. I've got the I've got the snap count up. Cam Sims had four. offensive snaps against Baltimore. Callie.

Yeah, you're right. Well, you've got to catch on a slant, too. Four snaps, we don't deem as gradable in this world. He had two catches. But I guess two catches on four snaps, you'd essentially be an A. Yeah, except for one of them should have been a 10-yard gain and instead was a nine and forced him to go for a fourth down. A-minus.

A-minus for Sims on four snaps. I mean, he had four snaps. I know. What do you want to do? Right. There's something I like about Isaiah Wright. I think he's good with the ball in his hands. It's almost like Steve Sims Jr.

Esk. Like he's got some quick twitch to him. I talked about early in the game, he wins on the third and five or third and six that Duane takes a second. I like to see a guy cross-faced and a little quick post and win. There's some slot receiver in him. I think Wright can run routes. I think that Isaiah Wright does a pretty good job with the ball in his hands as well.

You saw that ball throw nine guards behind the line of scrimmage? Yeah. That's a good play. Wright actually played 45 snaps in this game. No, he didn't. 58 snaps. You're on the wrong game. 58 snaps he had in the game at a 71.

They don't target him a lot. He was a C, but I kind of like Wright. It's hard to get 58 snaps. I mean, he's just not targeted very often. I like Sims Jr. better than Wright so far. But I feel like we haven't seen right enough in space and to see what he could do. You gave him a C?

Yeah, I was a C. Or C. I'd give him a C plus. I didn't think there was anything truly negative. There was a catch that he made late that he almost fumbled in third and 17 drive. But that was a good route. Like that was a good cross-face in route, gave DeWain a big window to throw the ball.

I do. I like Wright. I think he's a good player. I'd rather see Rite. right right now than Inman, to be honest with you. Okay. Inman's playing more on the outside, though, with right more in the inside, right? No, I understand that, but I'd almost rather see right on the outside. Got it.

Logan Thomas. Yeah. Allowing late fall off on blocks, better initial attack and better sustain. The tip ball on the third and five, you idiot, that wasn't for you. I'm just kidding. You think it's for you. I wouldn't put that on Logan Thomas. dropped a crosser on a low ball in the middle of the field. It was a tough catch, but his catch he's got to make.

Is this another little thing? It's the 3rd and 11th screen. And if he finishes his block there, it's a touchdown to Gibson. There was a run-action pass where he's coming back across the line of scrimmage, behind the line of scrimmage. I just noticed this. This is funny. It's in the third quarter.

You'd have to look at some of the run-action plays in the third quarter. But he does this weird jump move to try to avoid West Martin. And he just basically jump kicks him in the back and kicks him down, the defender falls down, Logan Thomas falls down. It's hilarious. He didn't hurt the play. Yeah.

Shit job on the edge on a fourth and two on the sprint out play. allows pressure out the edge. He's got to get to the edge. On the one they completed? Yeah, if you watch, his jobs protect the edge there. Not a very good job there. Pretty average in the run game. Really pretty average in the past game, in my opinion.

I wasn't really too impressed with Logan Thomas. I thought he was a C-minus in this game, D-plus. Who do we got left skill guys? You didn't do McKissick or Gandy Golden yet? Gandy Golden didn't really impact this game at all. C. McKissick, poor push to the front side of zone plays, cut back too early, too impatient.

early in the game does a great job on a speed out. I do like McKissick as a receiver as a guy that comes out of the backfield. Speed out early. It was called back because of a defensive hold, but it was a good play. The fumble absolutely fucking kills you. It's just, it kills you in this game. It's going to kill us great in this game. Got to get to the sideline late in the end of the half.

Like you just got to have that awareness that you got to get out of bounds. Like one extra yard, two extra yards is not a big deal. The extra 30 seconds is a huge deal. So you got to get to the sideline in that situation. I do like him as a pass protector when he gets a full-on bull rush from a linebacker. It's not that he's soft. It's just that he's little. You know, I think he's willing to stick his face in there, but it's just that he's little.

Man, that inside fade that Duane overthrew him, that was a great job. Kind of a little stick on the backer and separating and had three yards there. I think McIssick's still a guy that you keep involved. I think he's a guy that can make plays out of the backfield. I think he's a guy that can definitely help you. as a receiver out of the backfield. I do like him as a back. I'm not down on McKissick because of this game. I'm not going to sit here and say that I think he's amazing because of this game either. MacKisick was a D. A D. That's okay. I mean, you, you've said, I really like Isaiah

right C plus and I really like McKissick D. But you're grading the game. That's fine. And he had a fumble. We're talking about an individual game. You didn't mention the fact that he did a poor situational, you know, job at the end of the half by not getting out of bounds. That was terrible. Yeah, I did. No, I mentioned it. Oh, I wasn't listening. I said you'd like one or two extra yards, but 30 seconds is better right there.

Yeah. Or not having to call time out is what they did, yeah. Keeping out of time out of out. You're Googling, which means when you're Googling, I need to move on. No, that's not true. I just missed that point. I was very, actually, it was very immersed in your McKissick breakdown. I was curious because you had skipped over him and gone from running backs to receivers to tight ends and it forgot about.

It was just the way I wrote the spreadsheet. I don't know why it went that way. I mean, you've got two other offensive skill position players, actually three that had more snaps than Cam Sims. Sprinkle, Baw. Andy Gordon had six snaps. I don't, like, Baw's a blocking tight end, who's an average blocking tight end and was in this game. Sprinkle had eight stands. I just,

I have some things written down for Jeremy Sprinkle. I mean, it's just that first duo play that Gibson bounced all the way back. He'd struggled with that a lot last year. It gave Gibson time to make a read. Stayed there, stayed strong. Later in the first half, there's a power run play. This is a negative. The tight end on the edge to the side where they're running the ball power is tracking.

it's on a track down inside. You count linebackers, and essentially you're saving one linebacker for the pulling guard where you're at. So that means you block the next backer inside of you. He runs directly by him to the third linebacker. He's the first linebacker and blocked. Do.

Do! I just, I don't grade 10 plays or less. I just don't. Unless it's like your impactful 10 plays, think it's hard to be on the field seven plays we'll take we'll take barber sprinkle and ball out we'll leave cam sims in because he had two catches on four snaps and that's impressive so we will get cam sims gets the two catches on four sacks yeah we'll get that uh we'll get so this is where this is where this gets interesting and i'm going to basically some most of the offensive line up

everyone played 71 plays there was one guy that i thought played poorly and i thought that was west martin I thought West Martin really didn't have his best game. He was too soft and lateral down the line of scrimmage on the backside of zone. It allows too many falloff plays, poor sustain on the front side of zone, poor fit on linebackers as a polar, was unsure, uncertain, slow in space, was not great in the screen game in space. It wasn't all bad for West Martin, but West Martin, it will be by far the lowest graded offensive linemen.

And you like him? I do. I do like West Martin. There was actually one note that I had on Martin. I can see the PFF grades. And there was a play where West Switzer and Morgan Moses did not get up to the backer they were supposed to get up to because that backer was falling off quickly into cutback, which is really the back's fault. And they downgraded West Martin minus one because that backer started to run by him. His backer was also falling off behind him and he would have ended up getting to his backer. can you downgrade him minus one count count the box like there's no way this garden center need to get

to that backer it's clearly the front side garden center they downgrad him minus one and they're like we don't downgrade one we don't know what they're doing well you sure shit did like what west martin if you look at pf was the lowest graded lineman in pass block he was 77 in run block he was 44 like one of his biggest downgrades was a play that he wasn't even his guy What are we talking about here? PFF, freaking wires. He still wasn't good. He was a D.

Okay. The rest of the offensive linemen were pretty good. You know, Christian's getting better every game. He's getting a little bit more physical in the run game. He's getting quicker with his feet as a pass protector. He's really getting better almost every single game. I thought for the most part, Christian was pretty solid. Geron Christian was a beat.

West Switzer, I loved. Like, West Switzer looks like Brandon Sheriff's little brother or younger brother. He's not little. But other than really one bad rush given up by Switzer, the 12-yard sack at the end of the half, which, by the way, Logan Thomas chipped his guy into Swiser's guy and chipped him almost into the rush.

Like, Logan hit him in the back and then it made it harder on Swicer. Right. I thought he played physical. I thought he played with really. good power. I thought he had really good movement at the point of attack in double teams or individually one-on-one blocking was consistent as a pass protector. I thought Switzer was really good. I gave Switzer an A-minus in this game. How much of the constant screen game puts more pressure on the linemen to be athletic? I think you can definitely see that Chase Rueh is more athletic than

either Switzer or Martin. Like I think you can see in space that neither Switzer or Martin are great in the screen game. But some of the slip screen stuff that they had, you don't have to, you don't see it quite as much. Like they do get a guard out there, but it's not like the guards the lead block on this thing. He's a late trail block in the hole most of the time on their slip screen guys. So he's just out there got to find somebody. I did, it's funny you asked that though, because I did note this on Chase Rue. I said Chase Ruey is a hell of a screen player.

Like you get those screenplays, and Rueh is as good as any lineman I've seen him and, well, Sheriff was good too, but getting out in space and getting on guys, Rueh is really, really good at that in the screen game. Good. As good as I've seen as an offensive line. Rueh.

The first Sim stream noted with Ruié on the first drive. Watch Rueh on this thing. He gets out and he has a pillback opportunity to block and he knows he can't, used the peel back block now in the NFL, and it gets just enough wrapping around in front of a defensive lineman to keep him off Sims to allow Sims to continue to get upfield, but to not get a penalty.

It's awesome. Like I don't want stuff like that to go unnoticed at times. Like I thought that was awesome by Ruiye. I thought he was excellent in the screen game throughout most of the entire day. Really, I thought he was pretty consistent as a pass protector, as a helper passed off some of the inside stuntswell, didn't have a lot of interior pressure in one-on-one situations, is a decent run blocker.

It's not a move-view power run blocker. I think that they miss target linebackers too often, not as much as last year, or they don't get up to backers. And at some point, I've been talking about this falloff of these linebackers. You have to understand it. It's an offensive lineman, if your backers are falling off, you've got to go more vertical on the double team and say,

look, we've got to get up to the backer. We can't stay on double teams to allow this fallbacker. I thought Chase Rueye was a B. Morgan Moses, again, pretty consistent throughout this entire game. You've loved him this year. A couple negatives, like a third and six. Oh, here, this is a good one. The third and six that Dwayne ends up taking the first set.

I know that Moses is in a full line slide, but when he starts the slide down and his detackle drops, he should go get. He's got to fall back. He's got to go get you done. He's got to fall back and at least try to help. I can see that he's in a full slide. Yeah.

He's got to fallback. Oh, right. I see what you're talking about. His guy dropped into zone blitz almost. Yeah, that was almost one of those plays where, like, when you're a receiver wide open the ball, like single hops, you, one hop shoe, and you look at the court, like, not even try for this ball or it's 10 yards over your head,

and you're like, whatever. He got the Lester call, and he's like, don't make the Lester call. I'm going left. I'm going left. That had another one where he may probably, some R word, because Geron Christian did the same thing on the other side and they left a free blocker.

I probably called it a Ringo call. Lester and Ringo is usually the mirrors for the slides. Ricky. Ricky, Robbie. Any word with R in it at all. What was Morgan Moses? Morgan Moses B. Offensive line was overall a B in this game.

I thought the offensive line was pretty good. I really, I didn't think there were that many pressures. there were very few like individual one-on-one matchups that were just lost and that was the result of pressure. More the pressure came from some blitz schemes where he had unblocked rushers.

You've got Morgan Moses. And I mean like the pressure on the 18-yard sack, Duane drifts right into Moses there. Yeah. I don't know if I put that so much on Moses. You've got Moses through four games playing at, you know, a Pro Bowl kind of level. right he been really really consistent he's been physical in the run game he's got out he's attacked

the edge in the run game i think he's been good getting on backers throughout the season i think he's been excellent in past protection like only giving up three or four pressures really throughout this entire season maybe a couple more than that but not more than two a game i think he's moving well i think he's more physical he's clearly more suited to this offensive line scheme than he was to Bill Callahan's. I have maybe 60 to 90 seconds of follow-up questions right after I tell you quickly about my bookie.ag. Baseball games today, NBA finals game tonight, game four.

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but he said, Scott Turner really created and devised a scheme that really they needed against Baltimore's aggressive defense. And he's really pleased with the job that Scott Turner's doing. Overall, through four games, what do you make of a guy that we didn't know anything about really because he had only been a coordinator for four or five games in character? Carolina last year. I think Scott Turner to start, I think Scott Turner has done an excellent job managing games for his quarterback, making play calls for his quarterback and managing games for his quarterback. I thought there, I think there are situations where I think he could be better. I think third down situations have been really average as far as play calls and some of the things that

they've done in third downs. I mean, if they don't get a couple of screenplays throughout this first four games on third down situations, they're really bad in third downs. And their conversion rate has been awful through four games. Their first down stuff has been mixed very well. I think between some play action stuff, some screen stuff, some of the run game, RPO stuff, I think he's kept good balance to get them into second down and really manageable situations.

I think he could run the ball a little bit more. I don't think he trusts totally to run the ball as much as he could probably run the ball. But as I say that, they're down 10, 20 points in every game. So you start to drift away from that. Right. I think there's a good compliment plan to what they're doing with some of the run action stuff.

I think they, as I mentioned earlier, he's got to find a way to run the ball to the edge a little bit more because if you can do that, you can start to get Dwayne out on the edge and some of the boot stuff. Right now they're not getting that. It's been simplistic, but that's, I think, what it has to be at this point. And that's not really an indictment on Dwayne. It's also discussing a brand-new offense. in a completely different system, not West Coast, than everybody had been in the year before.

So I think he's eased his team into it. And in some situations, they've been able to take the ball down the field. They're not good enough yet. They're not talented enough yet. So I'm pretty pro-Scott Turner as far as the season's gone. I think it's a really good point that, you know, it's not just the inexperienced quarterback.

They're inexperienced and young everywhere. on offense without Brandon Sheriff in there. Well, Morgan Moses is the senior citizen offensively for this team right now. The last- I think it's got to be hard because you're a first-time play caller, really. I mean, last year a little bit. You got a lot of ideas. Like, I'm sure there's a lot of stuff he wants to do.

Yeah. So managing his own excitement, he's probably done a, he would probably say he's done a very good job with. The last comment, it's more of a comment. It's a question, too, I guess, because I'm curious if you agree or disagree. Duane last year, one of the things I loved about him is that he had an urgency to him. He tried to extend plays. He did extend plays.

He created a lot more than I thought he was capable of creating. He was more mobile. That guy isn't the quarterback this year so far. We haven't seen a guy try to make plays. You know, we've seen a guy that seems more. confused at times, and maybe it's because it's a new offense, whatever the reasons are. It's not as creative off schedule as we saw last year, I think. Do you agree or disagree? I totally agree. I think you see initially a guy that's trying not to make a mistake more than he

is trying to make plays a lot of times, not every time, but I think you see a guy who really is telling himself. I don't want to force anything. I don't want to make the bad play. And I don't think that's helping him so much at this point. I think that right now, you see a guy that has pocket mobility like we talked about through the first eight games of Ohio State. Like he is a lead foot quarterback in the pocket won't move. We didn't see that last year. By the way, we expected totally different because look at what kind of shape the way it's Duane's in. Right. To me, I figure that's a really slow foot in the pocket. It's unsure about where he wants to go in the pocket that definitely doesn't want to go right in the pocket. And he's a little bit late to some

of the things. And I think he's predetermining a lot. And I think when you see a quarterback that predetermines a lot, it is a guy that doesn't want to make mistakes. He wants to make his one read and he wants to get the ball out of his hands. And so to me, the real growth for Duane right now will be post-snap understanding of coverage and post-nap read-out of things, which I think he's like. All right. Thank you. Back to Marr, DeFensive Film Breakdown. Everybody enjoy the day. Tommy will be a part of tomorrow's show as well.