The Kevin Sheehan Show - Cooley Film On Dotson & Howell

Episode Date: May 5, 2022

Cooley and Kevin today featuring the "Cooley Film Breakdown" on Washington draft picks Jahan Dotson and Sam Howell.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it. You don't need it. But you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Sheehan Show. Here's Kevin. Well, guess who is with me today on the show? My good friend, Christopher Cooley. He's going to do, I believe he's going to do some film breakdowns

on a couple of the Washington Commander's draft choices. That's what he's promised. what do you have prepared for us today? You believe I'm going to do some Phil. Chris has really put together something that he would like to do for this podcast. It's been a lot of time working on this, and I'm allowing him to come on the show. Yeah, right.

No, and this was an assignment. I was given an assignment. I did give you an assignment. And then you called me yesterday, and then you said, did you do it? And I said, yes. and you said, no, you didn't. He said, yeah, I did. Yeah, but when you said, you did say,

I did Joanne Dodson, and I did the quarterback, and I said, Joanne. I messed it up. I'm sorry. Joanne Dodson? Well, then I asked you, I said, okay, and you said, no, no, no, whatever is true. What number does he wear?

And I said three and then eight, which I was trying to get you to do the math to decide that he wears number five. Is that what it was? Yeah, it was 8 minus 3. Okay, so I was supposed to do a subtraction exercise to come to the realization that you actually did know that Johan Dotson were number 5 at Penn State. All you needed to do was trust me, right when I said, yes, I did. I did what you asked, coach.

Well, because you were a little bit, you were a little bit resistant to the assignment. Like I assigned you two players thinking he'll do two. players. And trust me, there are more assignments coming. Or let me rephrase, there are more assignment requests coming on some of the drafted players. But I did think that, you know, A, you would get some enjoyment, and maybe you did or maybe you didn't, out of watching the quarterback that they drafted, because he was thought to be one of the best value picks of the entire draft. He wasn't my favorite quarterback by a long shot. So I'm very curious to see what you think about him.

And then Jahan Dotson was one of my favorite players going into the draft. So I'm interested to see what you think about him. But really, this is what people love you and I kind of bantering back and forth, which I do want to find out about this trip that you took. But really and truly, you know, when we get down to it, they're dying to hear what you think about some of these draft picks. and you've kind of been out of it. You haven't been really interested.

You barely even knew the draft took place last weekend. Well, that's actually untrue. I 100% knew the draft took place. I did not know what happened in that event. And much later. Can we talk about why? You know what's so amazing, though? This is amazing to me.

What? We can talk about anything you want. But what's amazing to me is really two years. And I watched some college football last year, probably more than I had in a while. Because you're betting. The periods of not being interested in the draft. I knew like zero names in the first round. The rest of the rounds, obviously, I knew even less names.

Negative one. I didn't know. It's so weird. you're just out of it for a year. Who are these names? These are new players that will be playing in the NFL for the next 10 years. But you did watch a lot of college football this year because I know why you did.

You were betting games this year out in Wyoming with some of your friends. I was to watch college football for two, yes, for two reasons. The other reason was that I was helping coach high school football. Right. And honestly, a lot of pro concepts don't relate the same way, or not as easy to relate as some of the college stuff. Right. So I watched a lot of it and paid attention to what I thought some good college offenses were doing.

That's true, isn't it, that the high school and college games are just so much more similar than either one is to the NFL. Oh, very, very true. I mean, everything's done for most high school. teams, almost every, there's very few college teams to go under center, but for most high school teams, it's done. A lot of it is zone read or RPO and some weird different concepts. And I mean, it's beyond that because you can get further downfield in high school and college than the NFL with your offensive line. So there's some more drawn out RPO concepts. And then a lot of the passing game is really like, take a look at number one.

maybe on the uh and it could be like a two-man concept a high low on your right side and then there's a hook up on the left side like it's not that very few these teams have like full field read concepts or one two three potentially to four check down progression concepts it doesn't exist and it's nearly impossible i think with the high school quarterback to go through okay this coverage net year one two to three to check down four with the time that you are able to spend with these guys do you know You give them a high-low, you give them a high-low read and a spot route from a receiver. That's what you get.

Or you give them a RPO and you're working the one decision. You're working the edge player or you're working whatever it is. And once you really start watching it, like I watch four or five North Carolina games, God, it's just like the most simplistic stuff of all the time. They're so simplified. Well, and, you know, a lot of what they'll have to do at the pro level with, you know, reading more than just one side of the field and progressing, you don't see in college. You know, the North Carolina system was very much a true college system. I had, you know, I had the offensive coordinator and the quarterbacks coach, this guy, Phil Longo, on the radio show yesterday.

He was really good, by the way, for those of you that haven't listened to him. but he really emphasized that while Sam Howell played in a college system, he thinks the quick release and the arm strength and the ability to process quickly will allow him to adapt to an NFL system. Now we'll find out what you think here in a moment, but I don't want to lose this one thought because as you were talking about it, you know, I know that there's such a significant difference between high school and college football and then NFL football

in terms of the way it's played. I don't think that the disparity between the two is anywhere near as great as it is between high school and college basketball and the NBA. The NBA is a completely different game. And it's not just because of the skill level and the athleticism and the maturity, the physical maturity, and just sort of the overpowering physical nature of so many players.

The 24-second shot clock, for starters, makes it a little bit different in terms of, you know, the fact that you can play zone in the NBA now, not true zone because there's, you know, a defensive three-second violation, but you just, the way they attack defenses in the NBA is all about getting your best players the ball in the right matchup. Whereas in high school and in college, not all the time, because a lot of teams try to play an NBA-style game,

but there's more people involved in an offense. You know, in the NBA, typically in a half-court set, it's like, let's get the player that we want to have the ball to create a play in a pick-in-roll or a picking, you know, against a switching defense in a pick-and-roll where he's going to get the match-up, and then just everybody get out of his way and watch him operate. whereas in high school and college you have five-man offenses. You have set plays with three to four players touching the ball in a possession.

You also have more time to do it. But it's just a completely different game. Completely different. I've talked to so many coaches over the years and recent years in particular that just say if they had to make the jump from college to pro, it'd be a massive jump. It's much more – it's a lot less coaching, actually, in many ways. more player and personality management? I think that's true.

As you're saying that, what I think is interesting, if you talk about college to pro being different, the funny thing is it's different in the opposite way in football. It's sped way up. It's exactly like you described, one-on-one player getting the ball, trying to get plays, simplify, go fast, I mean really fast, to where in football, it slows way down in the NFL. Right, there's more complexity.

I mean, there's more... It's the opposite. It speeds up in the NBA, and they're just taking shots, and they're playing fast, and it's rolling. That's like college football. Yeah. Yeah, the NFL slows way down. So it changes in the opposite fashion.

Yes, and you would agree, because you've said this before, that the innovation in football actually happens at the high school and college level, not at the NFL level. Yeah, and I think that's really true. And I think in part, too, some of the innovation in college in high school, it just doesn't work because you're attacking, you're attacking lack of responsibility, lack of eye placement,

you're attacking athletes who are not as good on the field at the same time, but you get away with a lot of things. And so you can try a lot more things because a lot of them, It could be misblocked, mis-bran, but the defense or the other side of the ball could mess it up just the same so you get away with a lot of this stuff. In the NFL, you come up with something that are unsound,

and that's what I think a lot of college football is, in high school as well. It's unsound, and they're like, well, we know it's unsound, but watch it'll work. Like, okay, that doesn't work. That unsound in the run game in the NFL's second and 13. Right. more times than not.

So before we... Yeah, there is more innovation there, but yeah, go ahead. I was going to say, I just, I think people enjoy some of what you've been doing in your life out in Wyoming, and you had a very interesting trip that you just got back from, which actually happened during the NFL draft, which is why you didn't know anything about the draft until you got back. But just tell everybody the trip you were on last week. There's a, it's called the Smith River. It's a north flowing river in Montana, which is actually pretty cool.

It goes from a little town just outside of white sulfur springs, Great Falls, Montana. It's a 60-mile raft trip. It took us all of five days and really four cold-ass nights. And it was, it was amazing, man. The water was low, and normally it's pretty busy, I guess, on that river. you have to draw a permit. Again, it's hard to get a permit. We got one.

My friend did. It's hard to get a permit. You draw a permit. And then you flow. We're the only people on the entire river. Like the only people. No cell service, no nothing. For 35 miles you're in this canyon.

You just find these camp. They have these campgrounds. And you just kind of, you're like, okay, we want to make it to this campground tonight. It's 14 miles. You're a row. It would have been more fishing, but the river was low,

so we wrote a lot. Oh, you know the other thing I thought was, I don't know why I was bringing this up, but open air latrines at every campground. Campground, there's just a toilet sitting out in the middle of a field. Just in the middle of a field? I mean, yeah, or wherever, wherever they could. With what? A lot of it was, like, really canyony.

Okay, but there's no, like, well and septic, right? There's just... No, no. It's like an outhouse. Yeah, it's an outhouse. But there's just no house. How many people went on this trip? Four.

And you did mention to me. Four people to rafts. And you did mention that a couple of the people that went weren't experienced rafters or fishermen. This was for a bachelor party. This was a bachelor outing for your friend that's getting married. Yeah. And we said, like, we could be going to Las Vegas for this party and doing this a month later and getting away with this.

Right. Now, I, when you told me about the stretches of the river, we'll get to the weather here in a moment, the stretches of the river that were so low that you couldn't raft, you couldn't float, you had to get out and pull the raft in some cases miles. That had to be the biggest bitch of the whole trip. Yeah, we didn't pull it miles. You just are in and out. We were in and out a lot. right and yeah the whole like a lot of it was a bitch as far as the guy rowing because it's not just like it's not just that you slowly run into where it's low like you're constantly trying to maneuver to get to water where rocks aren't yeah yeah you're following the water the entire time where it was up three inches you're just floating trying to stay where you want to fish yeah i mean but i mean i float a lot my friend is a

guy. He floats almost every day in the summer. So like we're talking about really, and they're nice fishing raft. But yeah, I mean, the guy in the front, the first two days was out every hundred yards. I happen to drag it about 10 feet in another direction. How much did you? It was pretty tough, man. It was pretty tough. And you were gone six days. This was a six-day, 60-mile trip on a river that you had a permit for that no one well, No one else is on. And by the way, if you, you know, Google the Smith River in Montana, I mean, the pictures are gorgeous.

The goal was to get to Great Falls, Montana, right? Which was the end part of this trip. You mentioned that to me, right? Yeah, just pretty close to Great Falls. And that, like, that runs into the Missouri River there, which then immediately turns and runs south. So weird that this river runs north. It freaked me out the whole time.

I'm like, how are we floating north? Right, whenever you hear. Then it turns and runs back out. So this river runs north and turns around back out the Gulf of Mexico. The water, the actual water in the Missouri, yeah. So, I mean, I know that this was going to be a trip with plenty of alcohol consumed, given that you were in the middle of nowhere. How much alcohol did you pack and what type did you pack?

Well, we were morons for not packing anything but beer. because obviously that weighs down the raft. Right. We thought we were going to be able, like there was just no available liquor to purchase at the town we were in, and we waited too long for that. You know, the other reason we took a little bit longer getting up there, this is the craziest thing I've ever had happened, one of them. I've had a lot, actually.

We're an hour and a half into this drive, and I have a trailer, 22-foot trailer, got four tires on it, four wheels, four tires. we get out and a wheel and tire is missing, sheared off in the lugs. You ever seen that happen? No. No. I just decided it was like a three-legged dog and we kept going. You did? You didn't fix it?

You can't fix that. I don't, I mean, I think if I jack it up, take the inside of the wheel well apart. Actually, it's not just the tire's gone. we get sheared off all the lugs okay so you know where you screw the lug nuts yeah yeah I know I know what you're talking about so those bolts are all sheared off right at the

edge of where the tire would go on so how did so why didn't the tire kind of fall apart no idea we got no idea where the tire went what happened to the tire it must have just went shooting off at one point no one saw it we never found it how much beer did you bring back to the beer thing?

You could because you certainly could have had much... 150? 150 beers? We knew one guy wasn't going

to drink very much. So you brought like six jigs somewhere around six cases. What did you... What did you... Brought all kinds

of different beers. Okay. So you didn't... That had to... That was a lot of weight on the two rafts. What else did you bring? It didn't make

honestly, it didn't make any different to the amazingly. So we brought food with like dinner for six nights. Like what did you bring? Or five nights. What did you pack? What night we had steak nachos. One night we had tacos. One night we had brought worse. One night there's actually a guy in the middle of the river. He's got the only place I got service for a little bit.

It's called Heaven on Earth. Is this the gin guy? like a B&B, and he's got a little place to, like a little bar and a tiny little store that you access via the river. I mean, he's got a road to his place, but we pull up. There's like a dog sitting on the bank waiting for us. We get out. There's a baby cow that's like a dog hanging out.

And this guy, like, comes out. It's like a happy Gilmore's dream. He comes to, except I guess in the summertime he hired like 23-year-old girls. They walk out with these yellow mugs full of, you know, this gin drink. Yeah. It's called a deep creep. A deep creak with some gin in it?

We decided, yeah. Well, he said, I watched him make the second one. He just takes a bottle of gin, plastic bottle, turns it upside down, and squeezes it as hard as he can into the pitcher. Yeah. So he said it was a special recipe, but I mean, come on. Yeah. So we all decided, we've been, it was like four o'clock we got there.

We've been drinking beer for a while, no one's eaten. We decided, you take a, drink out of the first drink out of your third deep creek the first sip and you're staying in as B&B there's nowhere else for you to go right you are like it was it was so funny because one of our friends didn't drink much so he was fine he recalled though the entire night for he did he right he he recounted it the next morning of exactly what happened after the third gin drink the three out of the four of us us, I mean, I was

coherent the entire time. The three out of the four of us, about an hour in, we probably, it was literally like, we were all drugged at the exact same time. You could just see like, oh, see ya, buddy. We had to get in the rafts to move them down.

Broke a fly rod somehow. Don't know how that was broken morning. Friend fell in the river. The actual fishing friend fell all the way in. One of the three of us didn't remember that we moved the raft. So that night we had, he made us a steak dinner. Oh, he did make you steak dinner, but considering how much you were paying, he should have.

He does this whole thing. He's like, well, you know, like, we should have. What he does is he gives you these gin drinks. And then he's like, I don't know why everyone doesn't stay here. This is heaven on earth. It's amazing. So we were all, we woke up, like, shoot, what do you think it's going to cost? I don't know.

We're talking about it breakfast. I don't know why everyone doesn't do it. $280.80. It's like, that's not bad for a two-bedroom house. And with the bedrooms, beds in the living room, it's not. It's $2.80 a person. Too-80 a person, yeah.

We get done with these. Like, okay, let me do the math here on this one. 280 times four. It still wasn't. Dude, it was fun. I didn't. It doesn't seem like that. He didn't gouge you, though.

But you said he led you to believe that it was $280 in total when it was actually, He really didn't lead anybody on that much. He just kind of omitted everything. Were the steaks good that he cooked to you? Terrific. He butchers his own cows. Everything was good.

I don't really remember what it tastes like, but we ate it all. Were the girls that brought down the gin drinks? Were they pleasant? No girls yet. No girls yet. Oh, I thought you said the girls brought the gin drinks down. I guess what we were told later is in the summertime. Oh, got it.

when they're more. So he like, we were the only trip down the river. He's like, shows up at the place when someone's coming. I gotcha. So tell everybody. I was like,

what happens if we just float by this place? And he's like, dog, dogs and cow and gend drinks, can't get them this time. It would be more convenient if one of the low areas of the river with just a lot of rocks

was right in front of his place. where it's like, oh, fuck. Let's just get out and hang out here for a little while. So tell everybody about just how blanking cold it was at nighttime and how you were prepared for it. So I think, well, I think first of all, a lot of people here are more used to some of that. Like the hunting camps and stuff, they'll go and they're used to it. So I got a sleeping bag, like a zero-degree sleeping bag.

but the first night was down to like 22. Wow. The biggest mistake I made, I just grabbed a yoga pad out of my garage. I was on the way out at 4 in the morning the first day. Like, it was to be fine for a sleeping tag. Well, the heat transfer through the ground or the cool, cold transfer. Fuck, I was so cold at 2 in the morning the first night. My coat on, two pairs of pants.

I mean, zero-degree bag just freezing. Like, please, please be morning. Oh, my God. Yeah, you should have brought one of those inflatable, you know, mattresses, right? Is that what the other guys brought? Well, a relatable one would have been pretty. Yeah, that's what the other guy is brought. Yeah.

I mean, you must have been sore too sleeping straight on the ground on a yoga pad. Forget the fact that you were freezing. By the end of the trip, both my sides hurt. Did you guys have like a roaring fire every night? That must have been, that had to be priority number one when you found where you were going to camp. We all almost every night we had a pretty good fire. Okay. Amazingly, like, and this is different in the summertime,

like in one morning I got up at five. We went to bed at about 11, and the fire is so hot at 11. You couldn't even feel any warmth trying to light that fire the next day. There wasn't an ember left, so cold. Oh, my God. What about the fishing? Fishing was good. We caught a lot of fish.

We would have caught more fish. We would have fished more. But we got caught rowing. more than fishing. What was the biggest fish caught? 20 inches. It's not known, it's not, like, I guess you can catch big trout in that river, but it's not renowned for big trout.

Rainbow? Renowned for more trout. Rainbow browns, white fish. But it's renowned for the views, the canyon, and the multiple fish, or the, the extent of which you catch fish. So you're always catching fish when you, when that fly hits the water. I mean, it slowed down.

It's slowed down. The third, no, not like that. Well, I've had better fishing. Fishing's really... It's really just the adventure, man. It's really just... The thing is, is it's the adventure. Well, we would have caught more fish,

but the two guys we were with aren't fly fishermen. Right. So, and they aren't row... They're not good at rowing. They got much better. I mean, it's not... Like, you wouldn't be good at rowing my raft

when you got out here the first two times. Right. And there's a... There's a skill to row in a raft so somebody can fish up the front of it where you're constantly turning them where they want a cat. And out of the spot where the fish are. But if you're not used to rowing, you're just trying to find the most water, so you're essentially rowing through all the fish every time.

So when this trip ended in Great Falls, did you, because you told me, you didn't shower, you didn't weren't able to, you know, you basically were in the same clothes for six days. So when you got to Great Falls, did you do a quick hotel room thing, or did you just go home? I did put on a clean shirt. I actually brought clothes. It just wasn't easy. It wasn't like I really ever broke a sweat.

I wore a coat almost the entire time. It wasn't hot. I wasn't that dirty. How uncomfortable was it to go to the bathroom when you had to go to the bathroom in 22-degree weather in an outdoor latrine? Pretty uncomfortable. Yeah. Oh my God. Not that bad, though. How good did it feel to get home and take a shower? Like the best thing of all time. It's so funny because that's a long time to be away from civilization.

It's kind of cool, though. I think that I would actually, I don't think six days. But given how remote you were on a river, that doesn't get fished, that doesn't get rafted. Well, it does. It does in the summer, though. Okay. But I think there's 40 rafts on it at any given time once the water's up. What about bears? Yeah, first day, bear walking up the other side.

And we're in the way low water. It's right on the bank. Sucker just keeps walking straight at me. Black bear? I'm like, what are we? We're grizzly. There's a black bear. We have this weird debate that night.

Because it was a really, apparently, it's a really blonde black bear. Okay. I'm not that far out of y'all at some part, man. Like, the bears could get, like, there could have been a grizzly there. Did you have a gun? Did you have a gun? It's like 10 yards. Yes.

Yeah, you have to bring a gun on it. I got a 10 mil. You've got to bring a gun on a trip like that, right? You have to. I don't think you have to. I think you could bring bear spray. Okay. So what happened?

Tell us about the bear encounter. It just kept walking closer and closer to us. And it was like the other raft was behind us, like half a mile. This was me and this dude, Wade. He's like, what are we going to do? I'm like, well, I'm going to pull the raft back to the other side of the river. I'm going to slowly get this gun out of my dry bag. And then I'm going to yell at the bear.

Like, I'm a dope. Like, get out of your bear. Hey, bear! So it gets close. It doesn't react to me yelling. It gets to about 10 yards on the other side of the river. And it must have smelled this or something. Then it just darted.

Oh, it did. It just darted. My other buddy who finally gets there about one minute later, he's like, why'd you yell at the bear? I wanted to see it. Like, that bear was getting close to me, man. Did you get the gun out? I don't care if you.

Yeah, I have the gun out. Okay. And was it... Can you imagine? Like, what do you do? What do you do? Like, throw it on the raft? what do you mean

throw it well I mean if you put the bear I guess we take it well what what's the requirement if you shoot a bear in self-defense

I think you would leave the bear yeah how you're gonna you can't take the bear if it's not bear season then you report it when you get done different world out there man different world

but you know like you get big trouble for shooting a bear like they you'd have to say like the bear charged me. That's what's crazy is you've got to wait for the bear to actually charge you to shoot it. Well, what are you supposed to do when a bear is approaching you?

What is the proper protocol? What's the safety thing to do? I don't know. Well, I had a gun drawn on it. I think a lot of times here, like, especially the grizzly bears, they're sneaky, man. There's been three or four dudes in the mountains in the last year here that have gotten mauled by grizzly bears. There's a lot of grizzly bears here now. One did, a couple didn't. One dude was a maulderle-bath got his horse and rode back instead of waiting for the helicopter.

You aren't, but do you know what you're supposed to do? Aren't you supposed to stay calm and not like me? Oh, I think calm. Okay. I think you yell at a bear. It's fine. They're scared of you. You just make a little racket if it's getting closer. It wasn't on me. I'm not going to play dead.

I'm just going to shoot it if it's really. They're fast. Bears around like 35 miles an hour. I know. Yeah, I knew that. Now, are you supposed to play dead at any point? Are you supposed to play dead at any point or not? Did you know, like, I'm going to do dad things to you right now where my kids ask me

questions and I tell them answers. I don't really know if I answer that question. I'm interested. I've seen, you know, I've seen black bears. I think you're supposed to not become a play thing. Mm-hmm. Here, I just pulled something up. Bear attacks are rare.

Most bears are only interested in protecting food, cubs, or their space. However, being mentally prepared can help you have the most effective reaction. Every situation is different, but below our guidelines on how brown bear attacks can differ from black bear attacks. So it's brown slash grizzly bears. if you are attacked by a grizzly bear, leave your pack on, I guess it's your backpack, and play dead. Lay flat on your... You're going to have the time to take a backpack off, I'm sure.

If you're from the bear, let me take the backpack off. Lay flat on your stomach with your hands clasped behind your neck. Spread your legs to make it harder for the bear to turn you over. Remain still until the bear leaves. Fighting back usually increases the intensity of such attacks. However, if the attack persists, fight back vigorously, use whatever you have at hand to hit the bear in the face. That's with grizzly bears. For Black Bear, if you are attacked by a black bear, do not play dead.

Try to escape to a secure place such as a car or a building. Well, yeah, that'd be nice. If escape is not possible, if escape is not possible, try to fight back using any object available. Concentrate your kicks and blows on the bear's face. and muzzle. If any bear attacks you in your tent or stalks you and then attacks, in capital bold letters, do not play dead, fight back. If it's stock shoe. I like, first of all, let's get back to the grizzly bear attack. Play dead. Unless the attack persists. I play dead and it's 800-pound bear keeps attacking me.

then I decide now I'm going to fight back. Like I'm not already mulled to death. I know. Did you ever see the movie? Alec Baldwin was in it. Anthony Hopkins was in it, and I'm forgetting the name of it now, but they were stalked by a grizzly bear.

It's a movie that's every bit of 20 years old. That's a really good movie. Oh, here it is, The Edge. It's called The Edge. Wow, that's a long time ago. I think I did. El McPherson's in it. Okay, you want to do some film breakdowns of two of the drafted players,

Juan Dotson and Sam Hal? We'll do that right after these words from a few of our sponsors. All right, we have a Cooley film breakdown. He's going to do Sam Hal and he's going to do Jahan Dotson. He wants to do Sam Hal first. I know you watched a bunch of. Carolina games. Let's get to it. Go ahead. What do you think of Sam Hal? Fifth round. My notebook was open to Sam Al.

Okay. Let's do it. He's 6-1. He says 225. He looked short. Like, I didn't look up his height weight before he started watching. We'll get to comps, I think, at the end. One of the biggest concerns, because he was supposed to be the best quarterback in this class after the 2020 season. Those big concerns was he regressed throughout the year.

In that fashion, he in particular doesn't necessarily remind me of Josh Allen, but in the fashion that he went from junior year being the best quarterback in the draft to regressing the scene. They were not good last year on offense. When you say regressing, you're saying the evaluation from, you know, in mock drafters. He went from, you know, consensus number one or close to it to, you know, a wide range going into this draft.

But go ahead. This guy's not playing as well as he did. Completion percentages. Down interceptions up, sacked up. But yeah, regress.

Okay. You didn't regress. Their offensive line took a lot of losses. Right. A lot of immediate losses in the interior offensive line.

Like left guard, right guard. A lot of just, better run, buddy. You better get out of here. they also, and I know you talk to their offensive coordinator, they run a ton, a ton of RPO. And they consistently throughout the year ran RPO where when he chooses the P,

there is no answer for edge pressure. Like, you're just going to get hit. It's crazy. You've got to have an answer some sort. When the quarterback's going to throw the ball in RPO, he can't get a hit. he can't get hit. This is another thing where college and pros very different. So if the run's going to the right on the RPO, the NFL, the backside tackle will still block out to the left to ensure the defensive end can't just whack the quarterback.

In college, it's a full commit. And even at times, they'll pull that offensive guard and offensive tackle completely to the run, leaving the backside end entirely free. there was a couple like he played Notre Dame if they had it down like if he pulls this you just drill him in the back I thought he was great in that game I thought he was great in that game too

I made a couple big time throws in that game but I mean as far as regression like he had a ton of drops this year one he had a ton of drops two he took a ton of hits I mean yes he does take some unnecessary sacks but took a ton of hits

that you're like I don't know if this dude needs be taking these hits. It's got to be a better way to protect him. Or you guys getting beat up front right now. Some of the picks is like a couple of them, I think one I'm thinking of in the Notre Dame game, throwing a back shoulder fade. You're like the receiver, please attack the ball. It's a ball. Like you're getting a 50-50 ball in a back-shoulder fade. NFL stuff, that's an open throw. That's a catch. The receiver is not losing. separate at the last second and get the ball.

Don't let the defender get through to it. He had a lot of NFL players in 2020. He had Diami Brown, you know, who's in Washington. He had Javante Williams and Michael Carter, the two NFL backs. He had a better offensive line. It was less talent around him in 2021 than in 2020. Just so you know that, yeah. Which is where that kind of reminds me of the back to the Josh Allen thing.

and Josh Allen's senior year he's running for his life against teams like Utah State he's making all these crazy off script off platform throws run around for his life and there was like couldn't he throw the ball from the pocket like maybe but not for Wyoming

and whatever year he played there's a senior that's not available and to some extent like how some of it's like yeah you'd like him to take a different look or something else but that wasn't available there's a bear attack coming from the center You got to fight back.

You got to fight back. Can't lay down and play dead. It's docking him. You can't play dead. All right. So here's what I saw, pros. Talking about the hits, some of the stuff, he's damn tough.

Yeah. He takes hits a lot. And the other thing, he runs the ball a lot and takes hits. Yeah. He knows how to slide. Like, there's multiple, there's multiple times where he slides.

And for me, knowing a quarterback is going to stay up and take a hit in college, trying to get a first down for your team, your senior year? I love that. Like, he knew when he was trying to get a first down, and he knew what he was trying to play. He's smart. Now, that said, unless it's third and really important in the NFL, we're not taking that shot. You're going to have to get down every time. But I don't see that as something that he'll have a problem with doing. I think he works the pocket fairly well

I think he can move in the pocket can manipulate the pocket space at times does a very good job climbing the pocket and really when he's going to run does a great job of climbing the pocket to then escape in the A or B gaps in the center of the pocket instead of having to turn around backwards

and do the Robert Griffin thing right to me it manipulates pocket space really well throw the good deep ball like I really do think he throw the catchable, consistent deep ball. I was impressed. I don't think he's got this cannon arm,

but he can get the ball down with him. He can throw ball 60 yards. See, that is any problem. I think he's got pretty good release, quick release. To me, there are times when he can anticipate really well, especially to his right. You'll see him last year make a lot of throws to his right side where that receiver's still coming out of the break.

which I love. I love seeing the guy being able to anticipate throws. He's creative. He creates well. I think as he goes through progressions, which I don't think there was a lot in North Carolina, at North Carolina. He's capable of taking a look at the left out of the field,

sliding in the pocket, and then moving to the right and making it throw. I think my opinion on not knowing exactly what they're running is it's one to two. Like it's not one two on one side to three. three, four. It's one to two for him, which is fine. One to two and then check down his run. Yeah, one to two and then three is run, yes. Or a lot of times it's one to, you better run.

Right. And when he is a runner, he actually has the ability to make that, man. Like, he's got some shifting us to him. He's got some speed to him. I didn't look up when he ran a 40 in, but he's not slow. type 4-7 something what do you think you run a 40 I'll see if he ran the 40

I'll look it up 4-6s is 4-7s is what he looks like he plays at something like that highest 4-8 would be so let's get to what I think are some of the the disadvantages of his game so one let's just talk like a couple things offensively

that are different that he won't have an answer so first of all he's not going to have as much RPO and they operate so heavily in RPA that he does not have a full game plan palette. He just hasn't done it. He hasn't seen it. He has, I'm sure his play calls are all super short. You have a huge learning curve.

It doesn't mean that he's not capable of getting there, but it will be a huge learning curve to NFL offense from what he will brand at North Carolina. Two, this is interesting. A lot of college quarterback do this. A lot of high school quarterbacks do this. They backpedal their drop out of gun. It's a weird thing to me.

I don't know if I like it. Instead of just that crossover step, kind of karaoke quarterback step. It's a straight back pedal. One thing I don't like about that is at times when he's thrown like an eight-yard hitch or stop, he doesn't just plant and throw.

You don't have to still back pedal guy. Like, just turn and throw. We actually went through that with my quarterbacker, the quarterback at our high school a lot this year. It's like six-yard hitch and he still wants to take three steps. You're like, no, catch and throw. When you were forever and ever in football,

when we were throwing a hit. it was off a three steps. You're already three steps deep in the gun. I don't have to go any deeper. So he's always in this back pedal. I think he's got super happy feet. Like he's bouncy. His level's changing.

He's bouncy. He's always on his toes. He keeps a fairly good base, so I'm not overly concerned about it. But I think some of his accuracy things, and I think he's okay with accuracy, but, like, not great. And I think it's technique. with his base. Like he's always bouncing. You can see him up, down, up, down, bounce, bounce, bounce. So he's always throwing with

almost an off-platform throw every throw. He's never just throwing a step, drive, throw. And that's what I think is hurting in some of his drive, like his ability to drive the ball. And I think it's hurting in his ball placement. Like, you don't see him throw a ton of balls to a receiver, hitting

him in stride on the run, unless it's down the field vertically. Unless it's a deep shot. Yeah, some of the deeper shots are fine, but a lot of the intermediate shots are not, and I'm not saying like he's wildly inaccurate, but it's on a back hip instead of on the front hip. You know, it's on the knees, or it's above the head instead of in the chest. They get off a little bit.

But I think, and if you watch him play, you can see this. He's bouncing around, like, a lot back there. So that's something I would work on immediately is just getting him to stay in his base. Like, stop hopping. To me, it's almost like a receiver who jumps every time they catch the ball. Like, you don't need to jump there.

Right. It was not over your head. Just run to the ball and catch it. And that, like, when receivers do that, it essentially means they're going to drop more balls. He's always, he's always bouncing. he'll throw a lot of 50-50 balls, which I don't hate. Right.

But sometimes, in some of these, like 50-50, I mean, one-on-one coverage, right? You're not just throwing it up for grab, not 500. It's a 50-50 ball. And they'll throw and give guys a chance when they're not necessarily open. And maybe some of this came from last year, which I didn't watch last year, a lot of. Any. Came from guys' men. making plays on those balls, but some of them, you're like, you've got to know the guy.

You've got to know the guy covering the guy, because there's a couple picks where you're watching it going, I mean, that's really, it's not on you, but probably should have went somewhere else with the ball there. It's almost gross when, like, like, screw it. Right. You get a 50-50 ball, take it, I'll take it. In some ways, and he is a risk taker. Like, he throws, he throws some balls into some.

some spots. You're like, dang, I mean, I know that there was something there. It's not a guess, but maybe there was something that helps where Donald's Rex like. Some of those are kind of moonballish, too. You know, like what Taylor Heineke threw in Atlanta, you know, this year, where he just kind of threw it up for grabs and McLaurin ended up coming down with it, you know, off his back foot on first and ten, which was not great decision-making. But yeah, go ahead.

I'm following all this. Even to some extent, there's just so much wasted movement in the pocket that a lot of times like that little tenth of a second when he's jumped, like, he's bounced, he's still got to wait until he hits his back foot to then drive and throw.

He's also, especially to his left, he takes an extra hitch and he pats the ball an extra time to throw a route that should not take an extra hitch or the ball should not be patting. Like you can't be back there, pat in the ball. If you're going to throw it at a timing route, it's catch, set your back foot, and drive. So he's just got a lot of extra movement in the pocket. It's essentially what I'm getting to. That's easy to get described that a couple times. There are times

and I don't feel like I can say anything because I'm a play quarterback there, but his eye will take him down in the pocket where he'll see the rush. I mean, That's not to say how you don't do that as much as he was getting rest, though. So to me, ultimately, like, really on the good side, like he plays with a ton of confidence, plays with a ton of courage, I think he's a smart player, I think he's got a good release, good arm. On the downside, I think he's operated in an incredibly limited offense. I think his size will hinder him in the NFL.

I don't think you're going to get the run ability like he does in college. I think he'll be able to run some, but I don't think that he's going to be breaking off dynamic 12-13-yard run to get first downs as often as he did at North Carolina. So he's going to end up seeing a lot more third and eighth that he's going to have to make a throw with a three-man progression that he hasn't seen. I think that fifth round is probably a great pick for him in so much that I don't see him as a starter for at least a couple years.

and then ultimately, like, I saw a lot of comps scrolling through to Baker Mayfield. Yeah. I definitely see some Baker Mayfield in him. No doubt I see Baker. Um, I see Heaney. Like, I really see, like, he's a lot like I, in my opinion. With a bigger arm. I think there's some, with a bigger arm for sure.

I see some early Grossman in him, like knowing and watching Rex, like, I see, see some, like this dude's out there flinging it. I like that he played to win last year. He played a little hero ball and he played with confidence. I think at times there were some questions and the times there's some awesome

to him. I just don't know if his high end is ever in the top 15 quarterbacks in the league. I actually I think I do know that it's not. You know, the other guy's similarities, I saw a little bit of like Drew Locke in him.

I like Drew Locke. You like Drew Locke. So I think your best case is as a starter, just a guy. Okay. But I like him. I think he'd be a fun guy to play with. He seems, I didn't watch any interviews or anything. I don't think he's special.

And I think probably some of it that hurts him as being six foot and maybe not quite the accuracy that you want from a quarterback. And maybe they go hand in hand. There is definitely some Heineke and Mayfield, you know, kind of combination of being, you know, a bit of a gamer and a baller and not being afraid. And the big difference, obviously, with Heineke is he can make all of the throws. You agree with that, right? Yeah, I think he has the ability to throw.

all three levels. And Heineke really didn't. No. I don't think Heineke had, I think Heineke was the first two levels. So his offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach said, and I could tell how important this seemed to him. First of all, he said that this is just, you know, this is a, the easiest guy in the world to coach. He is, he is. He's competitive. He's a baller. Teammates love him. So all of that stuff, you know, if you take the quarterback's coach and offensive coordinator at his word, you know, hopefully is not a worry. And I think this was an emphasis really in the draft. Was drafting guys that, A, other than Hal, were ready to play, and B, were low maintenance in terms of coachability. The other thing he said, and he really kind of wanted, I think, to make this point is that even though they ran, a ton of RPO and very much, you know, kind of a college system. He thinks because he processes quickly and he's got a very quick release

that he would be able to adapt to most systems and almost any system he said in the NFL. Do you agree with that? No. I don't mean that it will. I don't think that you have that comp. I'm not saying that he can't. Okay. I agree that he could.

am I just going to sit here and tell you, like, because the guy said he's smart, but he will? Yeah. No, there's a ton of processing that he has not done yet. And so it's an unknown entity in how fast his processing actually is. The other thing he said... I don't see him as, like, Uber, Uber fast. When he's working one side to the other, like, I don't see it as immediate. It's better than a lot of guys.

I will give him that. He did run pretty quickly on a lot of plays, at least this past season. You know, if it was one, two, and run or one in run, he didn't pass on the opportunity to run. And he is, you know, he's a tough runner. You know, one of the things he said to me, too, this guy, Phil Longo, he said he's a straight line runner. And to me, that's a negative. And maybe he was trying to say it in a way that's very. positive that he gets north and south you know he doesn't and i think that's really what he was saying

but when i think of north-south i think too much of rg three without the the vision and i don't and i he's not that i agree okay i think that he's got i'm sure that he meant i'm sure that he meant he's going to leave the pocket north-south but then wiggles create like he's got good wiggle to him yeah i agree i think he's he's got some of that in him as well um all right what else on him So the bottom line is you don't see future top half of the league starter. He needs a couple of years. You know, in your opinion, he's just a guy. Do you think he's better than Heineke right now where he would emerge through training camp as the backup quarterback?

Ron Rivera said yesterday, we've got our top two. He's really trying to downplay the selection of Howl so that people don't make a big deal out of it. Of course they will if Wentz starts out one in five and doesn't play well. But nobody believes that, you know, anybody but Wents is going to be the starting quarterback. They're paying them $28.3 million a year. So that's obvious. But, you know, one of the things we haven't talked about in a while is you're, you know, you really are a Wentz guy. Maybe not recently, but you were always a Wensk guy.

But real quickly, answer the question, do you think that Hal could become the backup in front of Hineke? they're going to keep all three. I think we know that, right? No, you think he's the third. I think this is actually a really easy process. You're going to have to dress three, but I think that you try to do everything. No Carson Wentz. You want to make Sam Hal the backup? I like, no. You are committed to winning this season with Wentz, and that's your best opportunity to win. So no, Wynst is the starter. Hineke's the back.

up. And in that, Heineke is in a drop-off to any game plan you have throughout the week, but play the game where Wentz gets hurt. And this could be even earlier than the year. Like, if you're not balling as a team, I think Howell's not the three anymore. I think he just becomes the starter. Right. Like, I don't see a big reason to start Heineke unless you're actually got a shot to make a playoff push and you really believe that's the only way. Like as soon as Wentz has done, no, how is probably not the three, probably the one. But you think Wence has a chance to have a good season, don't you?

So I like Carson Wins as a player. I thought, especially in those first couple years, there are some things he did that, and everyone saw it. He's a problem for defenses. He can do everything. I don't know Carson Wins. and everything you have heard about Carson over the last couple of years is for sure true. And I think one of the most telling things is that Frank Ragg apologized to the Colts for vouching for when.

And they got rid of them in a year. Sure, they can say that they're going out trying to get easy, coachable players in the draft. And that's what, well, that's not when. Right. It hasn't been. That is a contradiction. Ron, you know, really, and he told Julie Donaldson this yesterday, you know, they want players that, you know, fit into their culture, fit into their system that, you know, are ready to play. And clearly, they, you know, they're looking for guys who are mature and low maintenance.

And yet the quarterback that they traded for has had major problems in his last two organizations as a guy that was, has been called uncoachable at times and not the best of leaders. Now, maybe that'll change this year. but he is much better than anything they've done since Kirk. I think that, you know, talent-wise, that's 100% true. No, and maybe it'll change some this year, but you know it's always going to revert back to me. All right, let's get to...

So you have a choice to make if he has an exceptional year, which is to just essentially let him dictate more than you want him to dictate. All right, let's get to Jahan Dotson right after these words. from a few of our sponsors. Don't forget to subscribe to the podcast. Doesn't cost you a thing. Rate us and review us, especially on Apple and Spotify.

Many of the Apple reviews, Cooley, always mention more Cooley. One of the recent reviews we got just said, please, can Cooley at least do Sam Howl? Well, we did. We just did Sam Howell, but we're going to do more than that because Cooley's got his film breakdown right now of their first. first pick, number 16 overall, you do realize they traded back from 11 to 16, picked up a third and a fourth rounder, and selected Dotson at 16 overall. Most of the mocks had them going a little

bit later. Some had second round. What do you think of Jahan Dotson? So the first thing that's like incredibly apparent is speed. And what I loved about Jihon. Dotson the most is I watched a highlight, a game, another highlight, and said, well, he's, he's a 4-3 guy. And it wasn't like when he ran, what are you run 4-4-3, some like that? Yeah, something like that, yeah, exactly. He plays at all of that. Like he wasn't this guy that I was surprised all of a sudden at the combine ran a 4-4-4. Right. He's a 4-4-4-he plays at that. That's awesome. A lot of guys that will break, like all of a sudden come out and run that 4-3 or 4-4.

You're like, oh, they're draft-stop. Just went way up. Now, every scout to watch him, he's a 4-4, 4-3 guy, no doubt. He is blazing fast. He can dictate coverage, and that's something that Washington has had since Deshaun Jackson. And I think he'll – I think with his ball skills and we'll get to that, I think that he'll be capable of dictating coverage this year. and I think he'll have an impact this season,

like in a big way, because of how he runs routes in his absolute real-time game speed. He's fast. What I like, though, as much as being fast, is he also has this really great ability to tempo routes. And I've really worked hard on trying to teach that in young players

and trying to explain that to people. is that you don't always have to be running 100%. Like you could actually get from 60% to 100% a lot faster if you tempo the first part of the route. Like he's got different gears. Right, like he can go from first gear to second gear to third. Right. And that, I couldn't do that.

I wish I would have worked on it more, where you can slow play something and then come out of a break at full speed. He does that really, really well. I think he's a guy that I think he's a pretty savvy Routrunner actually. Like I think he's a guy that you can get a lot of double moves with too

because the other thing is he goes from first year to third year like that. But he's going to meet. It's not a build-up speed guy. He's a burst guy. Like he's twitchy. Quick twitch guy.

Yeah. Ball skills are amazing. Yeah. I think his ability to, like when you say in football, like, go climb the ladder. He'll go up, he'll go up and get a ball.

He's another guy. He's also a guy, like, you throw 50-50 ball, too. He's coming down with it. It's not just that he's not going to get the other guy. He's going to get the ball. And I love that because the way he plays with that is you can see how competitive he is. I guarantee you if you talk to him about it, and you talk to him about getting a ball. He talks about how bad he wants it.

You can just see he wants the ball. He gets in the air. He does not care if he's going to get hit. He does not care where the defender is. He sees only the ball, and he has an exceptional ability to adjust his body and go get it in the air or in any position. He's a really good athlete. Like, he's got great hips. He's got good hands.

He's got top end speed, but he's got quick-to-it speed. Like, all that's awesome. He's smooth. Like, I think he's very smooth. To me, he's a smart football player as well. but like and here's the other thing like compared to Josh Dotson Duxon he can operate in the slot

he can operate outside at X he can run a slant he can run a dig he can run a go like he's the full package as a receiver he's not let's put him out there and throw fade to him kind of guy. He can do everything you want him to do. And I think they'll like that because he's also a guy that I'm sure you can run some reverses

with. You can do some stuff out of the backfield with him. To me, he's a really smart player. He's really competitive, but he's more importantly, he's versatile. The negatives I see really, like I think he's jammed a little too easily.

There are times when he, and he's a little, right? Like, What does he weigh 180 pounds? He looks little. Yeah. And he's not, and he's, like, maybe 5-11. He's a little dude. Size is an issue to some extent, but the size is an issue for Treek Hill.

Size is an issue for Deshaun Jackson, than Tana Moss. Are you comparing him to Trey Kill? I, to me, it's more like Deshaun. Yeah. Or, or Santana, like, I, the way he goes and gets the ball, like, it made me think of the 05 season when Santana had all those deep balls and all that he's Santana like

and he's also great with the ball in his hands after the catch and he can run away from the defense like Odell you throw him a ball on a slant and one guy misses and it's a house call yeah yeah he's a blazer

I mean other than some of the routes that come to immediate stop where I think he's taking some extra steps. I think that's one of the negatives as a route runner is he's got a few chops, a few extra chops in his route. I think he's pretty ready to play. Like this to me is a first round receiver.

I think it's a good pick for them. I think it was good to trade back, knowing you were going to get him, and in no way do I think they reach for him. I think that that was a good place to take this kid. I think it'll be a good point You said that he'll dictate coverage and they haven't had anybody like that since Deshawn You don't think Terry McLaren

dictates coverage No Let me put it to you this way I think Terry McLauran can win against anybody But I still think people think they can cover Terry with one dude He doesn't See, he doesn't scare people to death To beat you for 60

Or to beat you for 50 or to beat you for 50 when you play when you're playing Terry McCleurne you're like okay he's not Cooper Coppus

like I don't know actually the fairly fairly similar like this guy he's probably going to have 12 12 touches can we limit those 12 touches to 130 yards

like I think what we're talking about with the draft pick is more like four touches 130 yards like I think this guy's more of a

dotts and more of like a 18 yard of reception kind of guy. Right, which was Deshaun and yards per reception. Which he then allows Terry McLaurin to do his thing. I mean, Terry can run by you, obviously. He's got, you know, he's got 4-3-9 speed.

But Terry's not as fluid as a route runner. Okay. I'm not dogging him in any way. Like, I know who Terry is. Terry would be... I would take Terry right now knowing who he is. is over John Dotson, but that doesn't mean things wouldn't change any.

Like, I love who, too. Like, Terry McCorn is the epitome of a football player. Scott McCorn would call him a football player. McLuhan. McLuhan would watch two minutes. Oh, he's a football player. But Dotson is, too. Dotson is, too. It's a good yin and yang.

I think you need that. We talk about this with the Rams. As soon as they get Odell, look what Cooper Cups going to do. As soon as that fits. Now look what Cooper Cups can do. What about just... So one thing that you know, people talked about

with him, I mean, you talked about his ball skills, but for a 5-11 guy, he's got a huge catch radius. Did you notice that? Well, like I said, that's what... That's the Santana that I thought. Yeah, okay. The Santana had an enormous catch radius,

at least in those first couple of years, that he was with Washington. It was like, he's getting to ball with it. You don't think he'd get to. And the other thing, and like Santana a little bit, Doc's got great hands. Great hands. You watch him catch the ball in the snow and make plays,

in different conditions and make plays, with guys around him and make plays. He's got great hands. Yeah, there are some one-handed catches, not just for the sake of making a one-handed catch, but because it was the only way to make the catch that he makes where that ball just sticks. I mean, he's a hands catcher, and he's just got really good, you know, soft hands. So how do you see Scott Turner with now Terry McClure, Curtis Samuel back

healthy, Jahan Dotson, Logan Thomas, we are going to get you to do a film breakdown of Cole Turner, their sixth round tight end pick out of Nevada, because to me he looks like he is a ready to contribute guy as well. But, you know, McLaren, Samuel, Dotson, Logan Thomas, J.D. McKissick on the field on third and seven. You know, how does Scott Turner use all of these guys together? He's got plenty of tools and weapons now, don't you think? I think so. I think Terrans your ex.

I think Terr's your on the ball, single. side receiver. He can win against anybody. I think John Dodson's your Z, who essentially would be, can be on the ball, can be off the ball, you can put him in the back set of a bunch. You can do a lot of stuff with him as a three-by-one guy. You can go with three receivers to a side. He can be the slot of that and scare people vertically down the field. I think Samuel's probably more of your slot guy, but Samuel and Dodson would be interchangeable. along a lot of ways. It allows you, I think it allows you to do a lot with one personnel grouping.

I do think you've got enough skilled players there where one personnel grouping really could essentially be four. Right. Because guys can play in different spots. So I think they've done a good job of acquiring some versatility with what I think is some real skill. Like I like Daniel. I think Dawson's going to be a burner.

McCorn is going to be a 12-catch game. a game guy has been, will be. There should be some open dudes on the field. Without a doubt. Dotson, did you see any of his punt return highlights? I love him as a punt returner. In four years, the Steelers will trade for him, call him the next Randallel L.

Washington did add a receiver yesterday via free agency. Alex Erickson, who had played in Cincinnati. He played in Carolina last year. Immediately the reaction was that Alex Erickson was a Carolina-Ran Rivera guy because almost everybody is, but he played a Carolina last year, so he didn't play for Rivera. But he played in Cincinnati for five years and was their primary punt returner and even was a kickoff returner at times as well too.

So back in 2018, he had, you know, big, big kickoff returns from the Bengals. So I think they're going to have Erickson, Dotson, and Dax Milne, who they liked last year. They kept as a seventh rounder. You know, those guys are going to be vying for punt return duty. But Dotson has, you know, he can catch it. And then, you know, he's got the burst and the vision,

and it's like he could be a dangerous punt returner. No, I think he absolutely can. I think he start thinking about how much he can contribute on offense and what he's going to do on offense and say maybe we limit some of the punt return. Unless it's just, unless immediately he's just Brandon Banks. Yeah. What was it for Washington? What was Brandon Banks like?

I mean, I like Brandon Banks. He was a little bit different. But all of us are, I was, too. I like Brandon Banks a lot. He will. He's the last great returner this organization's had. I mean, I thought Dianne Dr. Carter was pretty good last year, but there hasn't been a Banks in this organization since Banks.

All right. So Sam Hal Jahan Dotson down. Oh, one other thing about Dotson. Did you see any of the other receivers? This was a, I don't know if you know this, but you had literally a, a run on receivers. You had six receivers picked in the top 18 picks of this draft.

The one that I know they wanted and would have picked at 11 and then would not have ended up with Dotson was Drake London, the receiver from USC. And then there was Garrett Wilson, Alave, Jameson Williams from Alabama, who, you know, tours ACL on the title game. And there was Treyland Brooks from Arkansas and Dotson from Penn State. Did you see any of the others or not? It's okay if you really didn't.

No, I didn't watch any tape on any of them. I definitely watched a little U.S.D., so I know you're talking about. I like a Lave. But in watching, you know, a little bit more of Dotson, I really don't. They got what they wanted out of this position, if that makes sense. Yeah. Like, they don't want a possession guy. They didn't need the big guy.

They needed the burner. Yeah, I mean, I think so. They weren't what they wanted. I think some people. I think they were interested in London because he was 6-4, and they don't have. I mean, Cam Sims is the only tall receiver they have on the roster. I don't need a 6-4 guy as a receiver. I don't, for me, over the last six years, put on Kansas City film,

and you watch how quick they play vertical, and that's what scares people to death. Nobody's scared of the 6-4 receiver more than they are the guy that gets down the field. So to me, it was like, how fast can we have one and two show if they win or not? Like, as soon as I know, one and two, one as a quarterback life's a lot easier. Like that vertical speed stretching the field is what I want. It's also, it's potentially a second left in the pocket for a quarterback, knowing that he's going to throw up 40 yards down the field, not having to wait for a guy to win.

yeah all right i don't care about size at all a receiver tied end a little receiver from next all right are you ready do you want me to give you your assignment on this podcast or should we talk about it after the after the podcast i think you just text me and then you can ask if i did it and we'll see how i'll go and then you can mispronounce the name and get the jersey number wrong unless i've figured out that you're going to use subtraction uh as an equation for me to get to the right jersey number and we'll go from there. All right. Great job. I appreciate it and so does everybody else. Back tomorrow with Tommy before the weekend, but enjoy Cooley's breakdowns of Sam Howell and Jahan Dotson. Thank you for doing this. I think everybody out there listening would like to thank you as well,

so I'll speak on behalf of them. Always fun. See you. Back tomorrow with Tommy.