The Kevin Sheehan Show - Cooley Film On Eagles' Loss

Episode Date: September 29, 2022

Cooley on the show today with his "film breakdown" of Washington's loss to the Eagles on Sunday. Lots of what happened offensively including a ton on Scott Turner's play-calling, the offensive line performance, and Carson Wentz. He's also in love with Benjamin St. Juste and had a suggested change in the secondary.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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You get all mad and say, damn it. You know what's so funny about that? And I don't know why it's funny. It was only funny because it frustrates you so much. So all of us who do what we've been doing, we have to record a lot of spots. Like when we finish the show, our day's not necessarily over. If you do this right, your day's never over.

But, you know, you have to record a lot of commercials. Well, on the podcast, the whole thing's recorded. And it started today with the My Booky read, and Cooley got a kick out of it because I could not get the read right to start the show. The funny- It didn't do the double-deposit bonus. It is, I couldn't say double-deposit bonus. That wasn't the only thing I screwed up on.

But, you know, the funny thing is when we are live, I don't, I mean, I've messed up reads live. Don't get me wrong. But I mess them. I mess them up so much more when I'm recording them than when I'm doing them live. So much more. You're right. Right?

It's unbelievable. But it's really, I mean, everyone messes them up. I've listened to 20 dudes read them and record them. Everyone messes up or tries to do it a better way when it's recorded. Yeah. That's not uncommon. man. But no one gets as frustrated as you, and once you mess up two or three, you're really at trouble. Well, because I'm on a schedule here. I'm on a schedule. Like, you get the yips a little bit

with it. And then it's, speaking of the yips, speaking of the yps, you know that I had a rather rough golf outing. We're not going to spend it much time talking about golf, but I was playing in a match play event. I called you Friday after. I lost on 18 when my opponent hit it to seven feet. And I was just off the green, but I lost to a player who played better on 18. But I had him beat on 17 completely until my ball was buried in some of this wispy stuff. And it took me three hacks to get it out. And that is why we went to 18 all square.

God, I love match play golf. Do you like match play? Yeah, I do. I love match play. So much fun. It is because, I mean, unless you're really bad, you're not out of it. Exactly. Well, match play is better for people like me. You're a better golfer than I am.

Because, you know, in a given round of stroke play, I'm going to have some blow-up holes. Well, it doesn't matter in match play. You know, the blow-up pole. Okay, I lost the hole, but if I made triple boge, it's not going to count as a seven. You know, it's just going to count as I lost one hole. And you're right. I mean, you can hang in there if you're, you know, if you can, if you're capable of doing well on some holes and not some others match play works out pretty well. But it didn't work out for me very well last week, but nobody cares about anybody's golf game.

Everybody wants to tune in today, and they wanted to tune in yesterday. but we had some issues yesterday, but it's not a big deal. Coolies with us today. We're going to talk about the Philadelphia game today, and then we're going to do a podcast Saturday morning previewing the cowboy game on Sunday. So how good were the Eagles? You said on Friday... We didn't have some issues.

Well, okay. I got a project in the mountains, and then I got a project in the mountains, and then I got a flat tire. Right. I had issues. I know. You didn't. I know.

I have any issue. You were ready. You were ready to go and there was somewhere I could have done it, but they were home. So they had a cabin. There's no service, at the point, I'm trying to make. Today, I'm just, today is one of those days where you're, you're kind of redeeming a coupon that you had in the event that you missed a day. accepted. Yeah.

And you said it right. So before we get to the film stuff that you broke down on the Philadelphia game, on Friday last week, you said Philadelphia is really good in previewing the Eagles Washington game on Sunday. By the way, Cooley watched this game. You watched this game live, right? I did. Yeah. How good did you...

I watched a lot of the second half when I was cleaning up my kitchen and doing supper and the game was over. I wasn't too involved in the second half. How good is Philadelphia? I watched the whole game, yeah. How good is Philadelphia? I think they're very good. I think they're a very good team. I really, they showed that they beat Washington's defense, too, without Jalen Hertz really ever running.

maybe what two zone replays three and a couple little scrambles what did he end up with yards on the ground no no no you're 100% right nine carries 20 yards for him after his first two games

of rushing for 90 yards and 57 yards they they took his running he didn't have to yeah well he didn't and what he did coolly and I think you and I talked about this off the air I thought, I actually personally, I want to get your thoughts, I thought Washington actually did a pretty decent job on Philadelphia defensively,

and they made him throw from the pocket a bunch, and he did. He delivered. He's taking that next step. And that's where you can sit and say, it's nice that Washington has weapons, and they do, but they don't have A.J. Brown. like that dude is unbelievable couple of plays he made in that game

he's really he's really good Devonte Smith played great he's a burner I don't know if he makes those plays week in and week out I think eventually he's going to but I mean the quarterback's pretty good

jailer it's pretty good and then defensively I think they're talented defense you watch it I mean, Fletcher Cox is still Fletcher Cox. Hargrave is a stud. Brandon Graham plays really, really tough. And you put into the secondary with Avanti Maddox and Darius Lay and Bradbury, they're pretty good defense. Yeah.

I did notice, and I've been, I don't know, I don't want to quite change subjects from this, but did you notice what they really played for the most? part in that game, what kind of defense they played? Or did they talk about it on the broadcast? Not necessarily. I mean, I know that a lot of the pressures were four-man pressures, you know, with a base. But they played a 3-3 defense. The college 3-3 is taking, I've seen it a lot in the NFL this year.

Yeah, definitely, that 3-3-5. Yep, 3-35. But they had four down-linmen, so why would you say that was 3? Yeah. It's really not, though. I mean, it's like in a 3-4, you have five-down linemen, essentially. Your outside linebackers are defensive ends. Yeah, but they have two defensive tackles and two defensive ends out there.

Well, Hassan Reddick's almost always on the line of scrimmage, right? Yeah. He was, yes. And then so they play, really, it's a 3-4 front. But Sweat-Cox, Hargrave, and Graham are out there a lot as the four-down line. Who's the other guy they played on the line? I'm trying to think... Jordan Davis. Was there 94? Yeah, Josh Swet.

Yeah, Josh Swet's 94. Yeah. Well, it's a 4-2-6 then. Okay. Well, it wouldn't be 4-26. It would be 4-25. Or 4-25, but it's played in a way that it's like it's a 3-3 front. If that makes sense. They don't do it all the time. They did it the majority of the time. They did switch to a 4-down. two linebacker front on occasion. But a lot of the game, they played three down with two outside linebacker type of real wide, right?

And then they cover the center guard guard or, you know, move those three. I mean, you can't do that in the NFL. Why? You shouldn't be able to run a three-three front. Why? Because you should be run on? in the run game. Right, exactly.

You can't play counter in that. You cannot. Joe gives the counter hog was like the innovator of counter hog with the H-back to beat a three-fourfront. You can run counter on their five down at a nickel because they're one short and you're one short in the line is the same play. There's some things you should not be able to play. And I guess they're saying, you know, with Fletcher Cox and Hargraves,

we'll eat enough up in here, but like one linebacker gets lost, and you maybe have the other nickel bouncing in. I don't know how teams can play this in the NFL. You're just counting on teams throwing the ball on first down. It's okay. You know, it's funny as you're saying this, because I finally got my All-22, and I'm looking at my All-22 right now.

Are we both into my account looking at the All-22 at the same time? I don't know, but you want to know, I can get, I didn't know this. can get it for free. Well, I don't care if you can get it for free or you use mine, but we couldn't, for whatever reason, we couldn't. I didn't know. I know. I'm in yours right now, too. Why can you get in it for free? Because you're a former player? Former player. Really? I just learned like, there's like 50 things I can get for free. Okay, well, get that for free. I did learn this. My wife, my wife found out, looked at the site. She looked at the site for what, former players? What are the

other things you get for free? I don't. I don't. She rattled them off. I don't. Oh, the DirecTV, all the games. You get that for free? That I've been paying for three years. Oh, God. I mean, why don't you look at all these benefits as a former player? I mean, for all you know, there's like, for all you know, there's like 300 grand sitting in an account for you. God. So I'm looking at my all 22 right now, and I know exactly what you're talking about, and you're right. Like, I spent a lot of time looking at a lot of the sacks where there were really legitimately four-down linemen.

But my God, I mean, you've got Reddick. I mean, sometimes Graham standing up or Johnson standing up. But, yeah, it's like a three, it's like a three-five. It's a three-four front because they'll bail. They play the other defensive end like an outside lineback. They'll bail him into coverage, too. Like, Hassan Reddick's really the linebacker on the front, but he'll rush and the other defensive end will drop.

It's a three-four front with only one linebacker, which makes it a three-three. So why didn't they run against this? Because they're idiots. Yeah, that was a bad game by Scott Turner. They actually ran the ball okay when they ran the ball. I thought so. They could never commit to it.

And there were a couple of those drives where you'd have a good first down run and then your second down run would be one yard and then you're in a third down. And five. But then even if they got it, even if they got the first down, they're like, yeah, let's throw the ball now.

Let's drop them back. And he has no idea until the second half what coverage they're playing, especially in the front. It's a version of most times it's a version of cover two. But it looks like they have four deep across the board when they're playing this. It looks like dudes are everywhere,

but this is actually a fairly common coverage. One of the middle safeties comes down and plays like the Tampa 2 middle of the field. Not deep, but not too shallow. It's that big gap in the middle of the field. The corners end up like sloughing off a little bit. They'll give up anything short because they know when he's going to throw short and he doesn't.

And so they're playing the short flats to the intermediate flats. And then the two safeties are playing the defense. that. And I don't know if he really ever saw it. And I don't know why they kept calling play action against it. Like they kept dialing up these play action shots. So I don't know if Turner saw, I don't know if Wentz thought, it's what at least Gruden and a lot of people call it Covered Orlando. It's the version of Tampa 2, but it's not the middle linebacker playing Tampa, so they called it Orlando. The safety playing the middle. I don't know if they thought,

because they're dialing up these shots down the field. You're like, dude, these aren't there. Right. Like, you have to effectively run the ball because you just go to play action. You cannot just literally, and you can't, especially when you're Washington right now, you can't just go under center

like on an opener to a drive and go run action. Like, everyone knows you're not going to run the ball under center when you just, when it's a drive opener, or it's rare. Yeah, it's play action. It's, and by the way, ineffective play action against that defense. Yeah, it's, I mean,

and here's the other thing, like, you can watch some of the first, I should have wrote some of the plays, but some of the first play action, the one of the, the opener to drive to, the second drive that they start with, the opening play, is an under center, run action pass, play action. Their whole fucking line stands up tall and pass set.

They're tight-end span. Like, it doesn't even look like run. You freeze that frame. If you can find the first play of the... He gets sacked on this play, right? I think he does. Hold on. Let me... Or...

If he doesn't, whatever. But this is just a perfect description of why they... I'm looking at it right now. I'm looking at it right now. So, he's going to take the snap. He's under... He's under center. He's under center.

His second step back. while he's just getting the ball out to give the fake. He's like not even a yard behind the center. Breeze it that early in the play. You should see low helmets, low shoulder beds if you want to show a run. Freeze it and look at the offensive line inside it. Yeah, they're all dropping into pass, bro. They're clearly showing it's a pass.

So abort the fucking fake. Just drop back if you're going to do that. All you're doing is getting Wentz's eyes off the field. If you're going to do that, get at least one of your tight ends out, get your back out, and drop back and throw the ball. And since it's covered two, throw the ball underneath a little bit. Right. I mean, my God. I just don't think they saw it.

I think they saw this five down front and thought they were getting quarters covered. Thought they could attack the, I don't know. I have no idea. And I miss the meeting this week. Yeah, well, I don't think, apparently you didn't. have a coupon for the meeting this week. Here's my coupon. I'd like to sit in on the meeting this week.

Is it hard for you to say coupon? No, coupon. I just like the way you said it. You just said coupon, though. So why not go to 21 personnel and run the football? I wrote it down. So in a lot of cases,

you really, you can have these game plans where you want to stick to nickel because you know what they're going to be in. and you like what you can do against that personnel or against what they're going to run out of that. I don't know what they thought. I would have loved to see a little bit more two-tight-end stuff. But you can't just throw two-tight ends in the first opportunity

that you can throw two-tied ends in and try to go with a run-action fake and have everyone stand up call and clearly pass-protect. I mean, watch Philly's reaction to that play. They say, nope. what's more is Washington right now is right at 67% pass on first down to run. And I'd be willing to bet you, out of that 67%,

70% of that pass is run action pass or some kind of run fake pass. It's high. Yeah, even in shotgun. Yeah. Even in gun. It's like there's a little drop-back. So that was one thing you wanted to hear about some of the play-calling stuff. another thing well be hold on on that I want to just be clear

Scott Turner did not recognize and adjust and if if he had adjusted he would have adjusted to what sticking with the run what about against some of

especially when you've got you know five guys in coverage deep what about some of the quick bubbles and tunnel screens yeah I'm fine with some short past stuff. Here's one thing that I noticed early in the game,

and I thought, I wonder if I'll see this again. But they went three receivers to the right. They had a gun. Terry's alone to the left. The quarterback, the back is to the left of the quarterback, but then swings out behind the three receivers in motion. Effectively, Philly checked that coverage out of two or to whatever and soloed up Terry McClorin.

The first play, it's a five-yard little spot route, and which I think it's sacked, and he just eats it. Like, McCorn's wide open. Throw the ball. But I'm looking at that going, I mean, that's what you want, is one-on-one with Terry. Even against Slay, I'd take Terry one-on-one. So they end up getting back to it in the, like, into the middle of the third quarter, and he catches like a 10-yard-out.

And then they got back to it one more time, and it was like, he's just running it crosser. but every time they got the single coverage. Like, make them change. You can flip that all you want. You know, once you get to four by one, they're coming out of it. It doesn't have to be the running back motion. Once you get to four by one, you're getting single coverage on the back side. It's a defensive check that they had it.

Right. I would have went to more four-by-one stuff to get whoever I wanted singled up on one side. And it's going to be on the opposite side. That's going to be, you're guaranteed man coverage there. bracket on a single side. Yeah, you can't bracket on a single side if you've got four on the other side, even if the fourth is a motion guy. I mean, you could continue to play straight too, but you're going to get picked to death. So, like, that was a package that you maybe didn't have very much in, but you can, you can find a way to get to that, really easy. And then you

can signal routes to that receiver. I don't care. he got to run the ball more against the five against the three-three. And it wasn't the average per carry? What was their average per carry? They didn't have any big ones. Well, not only did it, plus they had a minus tenor in the second half with Gibson. So let me pull it up. Oh, yeah.

So count that minus ten out because that was inane that he did that. Yeah. I mean, I thought that they were, I thought they had some, So basically, if you look at the, if you take the minus 10 out, I mean, we do this every week, but just look at Gibson because he was the one with the carries, he would have been 11 for 48. I mean, you know, you're just over four yards to carry. Yeah. It's over four and a half yards of carry.

11, though. 11. Yeah, I know. I understand that they need to throw the ball after the first drive of the second half, and probably more as you start the second half. Yeah, because you're down 24 Zip. Right, but 11 is really, and they did run it a couple times in the second half. I wonder what his first half stat was.

I have it here. I'll tell you what his first half stat was. Six for 35. Six. Yeah, he was nearly six yards per carry. You know how I got really upset when I was doing the life? You got back as many times as you ran the ball. Yeah, I, um, you know how,

upset I got when I was fucking up the My Booky read at the beginning of this show. When they dropped him back for like the fifth time after being sacked three or four times, I slammed my fist on the table and scared

everybody in the room and somebody said, I thought she and you weren't very passionate about the team anymore. I just was so frustrated because I'm like, how can you not see that whether it's play action or straight drop back. This is not working. And Gibson, a couple of carries have been decent carries.

That one was frustrating. You know me. I like Scott Turner. I think he's been creative. You've said the same thing over the last two years. But this was a bad, bad outing for him, wasn't it? Yeah, it was. He got out-coached. He got out-coached this week. No doubt. Do you think it matters that he's on the sideline versus in the box? He's on the sideline. I don't know. This is a dude's in the box. I mean, here, I'll give you another, this is another one.

So I just, I read this thing yesterday, I'm looking at things. And you and I had discussed this, that Ron Rivera should say, hey, we've got to be better as coaches. And I read this thing somewhere he says, the players got to play better. He got to execute. He said that he did for the first time. this week on Monday, say we, we too as coaches have to coach better. But he still, he still mentioned the players. And on Monday, you know what I said. I was like, this is not the week to say anything about the players. This is a buck stops here kind of a week. You guys were not,

you got out-coached, you got out-classed, and you can't tell us for a second straight week after, you know, being down 24-0 at halftime that this was because the players weren't adhering to the scheme. So in about six different third down situations, they try to run some form of shallow cross or mesh crossers. Right. Dots into McClorn. Early in the game, one of the first ones,

really they're playing man. And so the tide in is going to go at about eight to ten yards and he's going to hook over the middle. Not a very good route versus man. The receivers are going to try to cross. from both sides and pick for each other. Philly's DBs see the mesh start, and they pass it off, and they go, you, you, you, me, me, and they just switch.

So instead of running across the field picking each other, they just pick up the cross on the other side. Then they try to run it again into zone where they're running across, and it's into that Orlando zone, so that middle hook player comes down, and he's right where the tight end is going to hook, and the two next zone players are right where the mesh is, and they run it five or six times.

It's like when Jim Zorn used to run double-ins with the corner route, and they all know we're running the play. Stop running that play. And you can't just say you need to execute that play better. They know we're running the play. They know they have a plan for covering the play. Find another thing to do. Find another concept.

except. They're going to seven or eight times. At least seven or eight times in the game and at least four times on third down and I don't think they completed it once. I'm calling it. Like seriously, I envision myself as Scott Turner

and he's like, run it again. We're going to get it this time. Run it again. Like, and they get out in the huddle, they're like, seriously, fucking shallow cross again? You know what, too, Cooley? One of the things I saw on one of the sacks is it was a Dotson McLaurin both running shallow crosses where, you know,

Dotson's trying to, you know, sort of pick. And it wasn't even effective. He just completely missed. There was no to pick. They passed it off. They passed it off. They switched. Yeah.

I mean. Bad day. I tell you, you know. It's. You know, so I mean, let me just mention this real quickly. before you continue. Because Ron Rivera said something on Monday, and I pointed this out.

I think I pointed it out on the podcast. I may have pointed it out on the radio show instead. But he talked about how we have to get away thinking that our three best players, you know, Terry McClorn, Curtis Samuel, Jehan Dodson on offense, is where we have to go all of the time. you know, he sort of admitted that they needed to run the ball more, you know, and that what, and what I took out of it was this, you know, they got Carson Wentz in part because Carson can make a lot of the throws that Taylor Heineke can't make. And they added Jehan Dotson, and they got Curtis Samuel back, and they signed Terry McLaren to a contract extension, a massive contract extension.

And these are their best players, their skill position players. So we're going to come out and we're going to be a dynamic passing football team that you're not going to be able to stop. You know, like in Jacksonville, they, you know, those last two drives, the second half they threw for nearly 300 yards and a half against the Lions. But Rivera kind of acknowledged we got to move away from that because there were opportunities there on Sunday for us not to feature our three best players, but to maybe do something that made more sense against the defense we were facing. Yeah, that's coaching right there, buddy. I think we should do something that makes more sense against the team we're playing. But you get my point is that they loaded up on all these offensive weapons

and they got the quarterback that can make all the throws, and they think they're going to come out and be like this dynamic passing team. But they've played, you know, they played a really good defensive. team Sunday. You can't be a dynamic passing team unless your quarterback can throw the ball underneath. And he's not doing that right now. It's not coming out in timing and he's not doing that right now. So they're just going to get played off and soft because everyone's saying, well, you're not going to really run it. So we'll give you the 80 yards of game rushing that you want. And we'll just take away any of the deep shots and we'll dare you to throw underneath

and then we'll change if you're going to make any adjustments to us. I mean, here's the thing, Kev. Like, I woke up yesterday morning to do this. I got up at about 5.30 and was ready to do this with you at 8 my time. And I'm talking about offense and defense. I watched film for two and a half hours. This is a – like, these dudes are watching film all week. We're picking up – I mean, this isn't hard to pick this stuff up.

Yeah, I mean, I think all of us – watching. Sorry, I wasn't that involved in this process. Not like I used to be when I graded it. No, I think all of us understood that offensively there was something very wrong about throwing more than running or not doing something to get the ball out of the quarterback's hands quicker and doing more stuff at the line of scrimmage. But none of us could explain it the way you just explained it.

I mean, you're so right. and I'm just sitting here watching. I mean, they really are, in most cases, three-down linemen with a backer just showing like a four-man front, and then it's three-five. You've got to run against that. They're not even showing a four-down front. They're showing a three-three-front, a three-down front.

A lot, but that linebacker is on the line of scrimmage, but yes. Yeah, I understand, but... I mean, even Brandon Graham, when Brandon Graham, who is a defensive end, even on the sets where you've got their four defensive linemen in the game. You know, you've got Sweat, Cox, Hargrave Graham, sometimes the rookie Jordan Davis. Even in some of these, when you're watching,

you see Brandon Graham actually standing up. He's not in a three-point stance. Yeah, a lot of them. Yeah. And they're both so wide that they really can't play the backside of run. They really can't run down anything. It's like a three-four outside backer. They're there to run anything down.

Oh, by the way, they went fly sweep the first play of the game. Right. For like 20. I think it was 12, but yeah. They never went back to it. Uh-uh. You know, it's funny, the Gibson, the drive that drove me nuts was after they got the fourth down stop, you know,

they got the stop in the red zone, and they got the ball back. And the score at that point was only, I think it was 3 to nothing or 10-0, whatever it was. And Gibson ripsaw, against that front, by the way, a big 11-yard run, you know, after they get the stop. So, you know, and I think they do have, do they have three? Yeah, Bates is in the game. They've got two tight ends in the game.

And Logan and Bates lead it on, by the way, counteraction. And he's out, he busts one for 11 yards. And they come back and they throw the ball in three straight plays. I don't, wow. I mean, I'm watching this counter play from the end zone. you could have run that until they decided to switch. You don't have numbers to defend it. There's not numbers to defend it.

They could have run that until they switched. Over and over and over and over and over. I think the next play was an RPO actually, and it's the one he throws almost at Bates his feet. No, it's not an RPO. It's play action. Lineman are dropping. So, yeah, he throws that one right at Bates' feet, right?

Yeah. Bad ball. He hit a lot of bad ones. he goes deep to Terry McClureen down the left side on the next play. That is not a good idea. The safety's coming over the top. It's into cover, too. I actually watching it live thought that next play,

Terry decelerated a little bit. But if he doesn't, he's getting his head taken off. Right. Yeah, and the next one is the actual play that I did not really call a sack because it was just a phenomenal play by Reddick with his length to reach out. knock the ball out as he was getting ready to throw, stepping up and getting ready to throw. You know, the play I'm talking about it was that drive. I don't know where he's going with the ball because it looks like coverage is great to me. But he's throwing the ball and Reddick is,

you know, just makes a phenomenal play with great long arms as he's in his wind-up. Yeah. I mean, I know that goes down as a sack, but actually the protection wasn't terrible on that play. I didn't think. But anyway, are we going to get to Wence? Yeah, right. Are we going to get to Wence? Yeah, let's do Wence right after these words. Right after these words from a few of our sponsors. All right, I asked Cooley to look at a couple of things specifically.

I mean, we've already gotten a really good kind of overall on the offensive ineptness, and a lot of it falls on Scott Turner. But I asked him to look at Wence. I asked you to look at Scott Turner's plan, play calling, and you pretty much address that. and then I asked you to look at Benjamin St. Juice playing mostly on the outside last week with William Jackson out with injury. So let's start with Wentz. Okay. So we'll start with the Sacks.

And before I get to the Sacks, because I wrote this on a different page, I just wanted to mention one other thing. There were a lot of times that they had this five down front. And the plan was to treat the backside. linebacker as a linebacker and then let the running back block him. See, a lot of times what they do, what you do is the line will have the four down in the middle linebacker, and then the back has everybody else. When they walk five to the line of scrimmage, the lost offensive line will normally just make a, what you call it, a five-o call.

We'll take all five of the downliners, or all five of the guys on the line of scrimmage. Now back has anybody else. there were three or four times that the tight end had to stay in block or the back had to stay in block. One, we'd rather not have that because it's not a good matchup. And two, regain 20% of your eligible and make a five-o call. It didn't help them with the pressures. Because there was at least once that I think Bates gave up a sack to Redick. I just want to be clear on something.

You're talking about Washington on offense when Philadelphia showed a five-man front. Got it. Yes. When they have a five down front, you get your back and tied end out, and you block five down with your five linemen. Yeah, but they couldn't block four with five linemen. You block five with five. It's fine. I mean, maybe they said we got to help our centering guards with Fletcher Cox and Hargis.

Well, what are you, one of your guards? Andrew Norrell didn't give up a sack three years ago. You got to protect him? I think so. I didn't think the center was that bad. I thought Trey Turner got beat a few times. I mean, anyways, I didn't like, there was another protection again. I mean, I was a couple times they did this, and it was like, why is this the answer?

These are receivers, they're not pass blockers. But I want to ask you one thing, because I went through a lot of the sacks as well. Even when they showed a five-man front, they didn't rush five with the exception of, I think, one or two of them. They only rushed door. I know. Okay. Maybe you're blocking to the backer getting he will not be the rusher, and then your back will check out.

But on occasion, he became the rusher, and they dropped the other end. Now envision this. The back has the right side outside linebacker to anybody else. They have three down and another outside linebacker. So the line is going to take the four, the three down in front of them and the other backer. The back's going to take the outside of the imbaker to the right. We have now effectively put our running back,

who's probably our worst pass protector out of all of them, one-on-one with their rush end, and five offensive linemen on three defensive linemen when they dropped the other end. Five on three, back one-on-one. Not a match-up I like. Still, they effectively did lose the five-on-three maximum. I was just going to say they lost the five-on-three.

continuously. They don't help each other very well, though. Like, there's a lot of, there's a lot of guys standing with their arms out, blocking air, like, anybody comes into this zone and I go out. Like, hey, why did you just go get somebody? I mean, that's interesting because on the five-man looks, you got a back. Now, a couple of times the back eventually did slip out, but it was almost too late. But the way you just described it, it's like, okay, we're going to.

going to use six in protection, but five of us are going to block three, and one of us is going to block the fourth one. And the one on one on one with our back is actually doing as good of a job as the five are on the three. The one time the back had the end, it was Gibson, and he went and cut him down to the ground. This is the best block of a day. Yeah. So maybe that's maybe that is a matchup they want. And say, maybe we can send Norwell or Trey Turner out on a on as an eligible. Like eight men flagged football. The guards are eligible.

Okay. You want to start with Sacks? Yeah, if you want to. Just so everybody knows, I have not talked to Cooley at all about Sacks. He doesn't know what I came to the conclusion on. So I'm hearing his take on these Sacks for the first time. So go ahead.

I want to, before I say, the quarterback could have done something different. I want one thing to be made clear. The line did not do a good job. It was not always. There was never a clean pocket. So we're clear on that. Right?

Yeah. Right. So the first sack is, I think it's a third down. They're actually throwing that two-crossers concept. If you look at the first sack again, he's out of gun. He takes five-step drop. He's 10 yards deep. Now, both tackles are beat up field.

But the Eagles know their rush point, because they know where Wentz is going to drop. That's a planned, prepared rush point. If he actually steps up with his eyes downfield, as they cross and try to pass them, tell me Terry McClorn doesn't slip out the backside, up the sideline wide open. Like, I don't think they get him covered. I think they blow cover chair on Terry. Now, he doesn't step up. When I say step up, like, that pocket's really at six yards the way they're rushing, seven yards.

I think if he steps up on the first one, I think he's got Terry. Now, again, both tackles are definitely beat upfield. Like, you'd like them to be better than they are in this situation. Well, Leno got completely torched by sweat. I understand that. And Cox is collapsing the middle of that. There's a step up. There's room to step in.

slide. Again, I wanted to preface this with, it's not good with the line, but this is a shallow crossing concept. No one's really open until Terry could come out late. We'll run. Do you think Samuel was a possibility? He's in the backfield and he gets a little bit nicked at the line of scrimmage as the checkdown or is Cox? He's their first thought. He's not, he's not a checkdown. What is he there? He is the initial clear out crosser. He is not in protection. Does that make sense? Yeah. He's in the backfield, so cowed out as a receiver.

But he gets bumped coming out. Yes, but they end up, eyes end up going more to Samuel, and then Terry follows him to that side, and it would be slipping out wide open. Like, one more second, this is the problem. So, I think...

I don't know. I think there was an opportunity for him to move there. Okay. I do. They're playing... It looks like they're playing... zone underneath, right? I think I'm trying, now I can't look at our thing because you're a thing. So let's just leave you there.

Well, the only, the only It looks like they're playing zone, but I think, yeah, I think this is a zone. Yeah, they're playing zone here. Okay. Because they pass off the crossers. They can pass up the crossers in man. I understand that.

I think all, I think this one, I just think Cox is in his vision because he's pushing Schweitzer right back into, I think in this particular play, if he's going to make a play, he's got to get out of the pocket. You've got to move. Yeah. Sure.

Yes. Okay. The second sack. Right. It's a run action path. Right. It ends up being a five-man front, four-man pressure. Right.

There's two tight ends to the offensive left in protection. they end up rushing three of their linemen away from the tight-end side, and only one to the tight-end side. Effectively, in this protection, the tight-ends touch no one. The left guard touches no one. And they get killed on a run-action pass with seven men protecting against a four-man rush. Because they just don't slide and help and bump. Trey Turner gets beat.

Badly. He got destroyed by Cox. this was an O-line sack. But if you watch that sack again, I hate giving up a sack when you have three guys blocking air. Well, yeah. So whose fault is that?

Well, I would bet you, I would bet you it's great design by Philly saying we will be out numbered a little bit and we have to adjust to run, but if they throw the ball or go with a run-action pass, we'll rush away from your extra help, just knowing that they rarely run the ball out of that set,

especially in that down-and-distance. Well, they did move away from the three guys that were there for protection, and they've got, you know, they come from that left side, and, you know, Cox just destroys Trey Turner. Oh, yeah, no, he does. It's not a lot of set.

All right. the very next play he sacked again. This is where they take running back and they swing him away from the receivers. It ends up being single coverage with Terry. The corner's off at 10 yards. Terry hooks up at 5 on a spot up on a spot route. And he's open. The ball's got to be thrown.

This should never, this should be two seconds the ball's out play. Did you see what he did, though? he cocked his arm and I made this point like he's going to throw it to Terry and Slay is hunting it the ball is out the ball should be out before Terry turns around this is an easy throwing catch in the info okay you don't think Slay's got a chance to make a play on that ball the boss would be out before Terry turns around if you look at Terry on his last step he's got at least five yards with Slay's at least five yards off yeah Throw the ball.

Here's the thing, though, if you're going to throw that spot route to that single receiver side and you've looked at it enough to pump it, what's happening on the other side? Can you tell me? If you can't see what's happening on the other side, this is the first time that they've adjusted coverage because of this look, you don't know what coverage they're running on the other side. So it's pump and run or throw. But you don't know what they're doing to the foreman side. I mean, you can maybe look to get your running back to the swing late.

But like you said, I mean, he's in motion, Gibson. And so Terry's got man coverage with Slay. And on this version, if that ball's out right away, Terry catches it. It's not a big gain on second and 16. You know, it's not a big play because Slay's going to make. Well, Slay's going to be there. Harry is one of the best running after the catch receivers I've seen. Okay, well, he's got to break a tack.

ball on Terry's, you throw that ball on his outside shoulder where he can turn to the side side. And there's a chance he breaks that tackle. Then it's a huge play. What do you think they said to him about this play? Ball's got to be out to Terry right away. No question. What I think they said is, why did you turn that down? And he's going to say, why I felt, like, hunting it? And then they're going to look at the card and go, I know he was ready to make a tackle, but like, this was seven yards. Okay, let's take it. Let's get to third and nine. Did you see Norwell get blown up on that play?

Just absolutely punked by 97, Hargrave. Punked. I wrote down, didn't this guy give up zero sacks three years ago? Yeah, but he's not the same player, clearly. I understand he's not the same player. All right, sack number four. Four sack is a third and seven-ish. Third and five. They're back to cross.

Third and five. Because of our sweet-ass, all 22, I can't ever tell the down a distance. It sucks now. This all 22 just fucking blows. I know. They go to crossers again. And this is where they pass off. I think this is where it's man to man.

And this actually is tough. So they have zero wins. But it's man to man with a lurker in the middle of the field. So I think Carson Wentz is the, expecting Dawson to continue running across the field on his crossers. He sits down because he sees that it's passed, so it looks like zoned to him. In man to man with crossers, you run. It's a run, like every team through high school coaches, you're running across the field

in man on crossers. Like this is the concept run at Powell High School. If you're zone, you can sit. But Washington hasn't ever sat these. So I don't know if that's Dotson Young thinking he can sit, or if they've changed to where they can't. But Washington, for the last two years with Turner, has never sat down across her.

So I think Wentz thinks Dotson's going to go, so he hangs on a little bit longer. But this is one where really you look at it, and there are no wins. You've got to run. It's man, run. I wrote down coverage sack and Wentz on this one. Both.

I wrote down full defensive sack. Yep. I wrote down the same thing. Or full offensive sack. You know, quarterback could have ran. Recevers probably. should have continued on his route, or line got beat pretty handily. He had that opportunity to flush out of the pocket right, but he's not quick and mobile

is like he used to be. There was that one opportunity, if he feels it, he can run out to the right and avoid what happened. Okay? I think that's a full offensive set. It's also the last time I had called Crossers. It was not the last time they called Crossers. Right. This sack is the fumble. Yeah. To his right side, they're running a post in the corner.

Off the left, he's got the tight end chipping and then crossing across the middle of the field. The ball, it should be thrown. It's set, the corner route runner should be the one read. It should be out. It's there. It's a tight throw. I mean, it's a timing throw. Don't get me wrong.

Like, this is the baller throw. It's there, though. I mean, the corner sits enough in their coverage that he can get it over the top of his head, and hit the corner out. If not, immediately, you are to that tight end across the middle checking. I think he's got a chance to that. Everyone's open. He's got, I counted this on, I stop watch this.

It's like 2.9 seconds before you've got to move off the spot. Yeah, he's got time. It had to be quick. He had enough time. This is Wentz. It's still like you would like him to have four seconds, and you've got to know, like, he needed that one more split second. to make that decision. He's a little bit slow on decisions right now.

Where do you think that it should have gone? Because I think it's Gibson and Rogers who are running those, running those rounds. Going up and moving across the field to the left out of the flat and Rogers chipping. They're a little cross in the middle. Yeah, that's the throw you got to make, right? Immediately. No, the throw you got to make. Who's running the corner out? Who's the inside of the two on the right? Is that Dotson?

It's Dotson. It's Dotson. It's Dotson. There's no way that safety makes that play. Right. And I think the corner sits shallow enough that you got a chance. You got to throw that one early, though. As he gets out of the break, you throw it early.

And for a corner out and cover two like that, you don't flatten the ball to the sideline. You throw it high. So it keeps it above the corner. I don't mean high in the air. I mean a high angle. Right, exactly. Because you know you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, You know that's the spot that is going to come wide open.

So it doesn't have to be zipped. Yeah, that's the honeyhole. Right. If you flatten it to the sideline, the corner has a chance to jump and pick it. Right. That's the baller throw. But the Rogers across the middle is open and timing.

Yeah. If you're not going to throw it, you better know exactly where you're going next. And he just doesn't. I mean, he does. I think he's a smart dude. he's just not reacting quite quick enough. And it could be just indicative of two things. Like one new offense and two, I'm getting hit.

Like, when's it going to happen? He doesn't. Because three seconds isn't a long time in the NFL. Four is, but three is not. Well, three is pretty healthy, but he does it. The worst part of this play you haven't mentioned, that is he does a terrible job protecting the ball. He just kind of hands it all.

He hands it over to the defense. Right. You're going to get sacks for the fifth time in the second quarter. Maybe just tuck it, fall down. Actually, let me just make this point. I think on the first four sacks, there were opportunities for strips and fumbles. I tweeted out after the fourth sack, which was the one that made me super angry. I was like, I don't know how he's holding on to the football, and then the next one he fumbled.

You blew it. Yeah, I jinxed it. Okay, so that one is definitely on him. Yeah, I think so. But reference to pre-sac-talk, it's not great protection. No. It will suffice to get a ball out. But it is not well protected.

No, he's, once again, there's interior pressure, and Graham was doubled and got pressure. I also want to just go back to the point that, this is the fifth sack in the second quarter, and we're still trying to throw vertical shot. Why are we doing this? So when you think about this, too, when you throw like into cover two, which they're playing a lot,

you can run a spacing concept where everyone's at five yards spaced out, and the ball's out in two seconds. Now the defensive line doesn't understand, okay, I have, just about three and a half seconds to turn this corner at 10 yards, and I'm going to decap to take the quarterback. The ball is out.

It changed the timing of the rush. Got to change the timing of the rush, and you've got to do that as a play call. Especially when you're getting hit. So, again, yes, I would like to see when to throw that ball. He did have an opportunity. He will take the blame for that one. I mean, he'll say, like, I've got to throw that ball.

I'm sure that's the way he's going to have been this year. But you understand the situation. Yeah, and we're going through the sack. right now, but in the meantime, how about just all of the times he did throw the ball and just miss badly? We mentioned... Well, we're not going through that yet. Okay. Are we going to?

We can. Okay. I wrote down the good, the bad, the miscellaneous, the sacks. Okay. I'll let you continue to do it your way. Strip fumble. All caused me. Balls out in pretty much rhythm and timing.

he's throwing it he's at seven yards that hell of a play by Hassan Redick to reach and get around but Hassan Reddick is not a bullrusher and Cosme is a big dude he is essentially just pushing

the right tackle around the corner and taking him where he wants to take him like it's called an anchor for an offensive lineman when you feel that bull start you anchor that back foot that background

right foot and you say, okay, you're done here. Anchor. This is all Cosmy. You put that all on Cosmy. He was hurt, too. Yeah. I mean, clearly we're going to say hell of a play by Redick, but how big is this on Reddick? The Son Reddick, they didn't want to play it on the line in Arizona.

He's like 240 pounds. Yeah, right. That's right. He ain't a big dude. He should not be bull rushing the right tackle. I loved him at a little. though. He's a good player. Loved it. Good rush.

Temple. I thought it was great. He played a Temple. Didn't he play a Temple? Temple. Temple. Temple is where it was. Yep. That's right. We're number seven at Temple.

Yes, you did. Sack 7, Cosme's beat right now. Sack 8, I think, is the fourth and 22. The only thing I said on the fourth and 22 in the situation they're in, you just got to throw the hell, throw the hell, no one's like Logan Thomas on the fourth and 22 they're running four verts into lots of coverage and Logan Thomas is clearly tired he I think he's outside to the left by himself three verts to the right Logan running to go from

outside on the left I mean he's like pulling it pulling a cart you can see he's gassed but that ball's just got to you got to give him a chance to just go see what happens it's a punt can't get sacked there it's fourth and well The third in 22 was the one where he missed McLaurin at the five-yard line. I mean, that was one of the worst throws. Terry's wide open at the five-yard line, and he throws it hot and high. You feel, well, let me ask you, after the sacks and after the play calling, and after the protection, and after his indecisions,

did you sense that he was just completely rattled the rest of the way? Yeah. Would you have gone to Heineke at any point? But that would have been, if that was a must-win game and we didn't think Wentz was, do you understand the repercussions of going to Heineke? Do you think Heineke would have done any better? Yes. Really? Why?

That's like a Heineke situation, because he can move, and he would have come in fearless. But the repercussions are, now Wences is going to be pissed. Pissed. You just made a lot of people happy. You just made a lot of people happy. But that's fine. That's your answer.

Well, the answer is in a world where... No. I'm coaching high school football, and I can see my big tall quarterback who can really sling it is struggling, and we have to win a game. And we'll put it back in next week, no big deal. But we've got a better dude for this spot. you can't do that with Carson Wentz in the NFL.

I mean, it's hard to do in the NFL in general. I mean, nobody loves. Unless you say like, unless you say, you know, we just felt Taylor Heineke's in a lot better cardiovascular shape right now to run around and take those heads. Yeah. That was the Rex Grossman thing with McNabb. I, here's, I just, like, I thought about it. And by the way, I said earlier this week,

week, why not? And, you know, who cares the repercussions? Who cares that all of a sudden, you know, it becomes a thing? Well, they care, obviously, because, you know, he had a problem when they drafted Jalen Hertz. So I understand all that. But I guess what I said earlier this week is I love Taylor Heineke as a backup quarterback because of the things you said. He's a gamer. He'll extend plays the whole thing. But let's not forget that without the ability to sort of, you know, protect him with a running game? He's terrible. I mean, he had QBRs last year when they had to throw the football in the single digits. The stretch he had where he was good was when they were running the football with Antonio Gibson. So I just felt like in this game it wasn't going to make

a difference in the outcome, not even close. It wouldn't have because you're not going to to Heineke until the third quarter. Right. Well, I'm talking about would it have made a big difference in the final score. They lost 24 to 8. Let's call it 24 to 16. Okay. That's an eight point difference right there for Sabah to jump on. Philly changes the way they play offensively a little bit. Or they do something different and they don't score 31 like I predicted. Yeah, I mean, it is odd, isn't it, that they scored all 24 points in the second quarter. And that was it. last week against Minnesota they scored their 24 points in the first half. They didn't score in the second half of their last two games.

They didn't have to, though. Right. Yeah, I don't think Philly's going to go back and watch that game film and go, this is a dog crap second half. I mean, they had a couple opportunities. So give me your miscellaneous on Wentz and anything else. So some of the miscellaneous was the protection stuff. But one thing I find interesting, his best fakes are in the RPO game,

where you really don't need to carry out the fake that long. Right. The RPO game is, what's their initial stab throw? Or handoff all the way. Right. He's really reading a mesh in the RPO game. And if they want to go with as much run-action passes as they want to go with, they need better fakes out of Carson-Wen.

and they need better hat placement with their offensive line or better, their helmets are too high. You can see it in the line that it's not a run. On a play action pass, tell me how a left tackle, left guard, because the example you gave where they stood up way too quickly, which automatically meant this is play action pass, how should that be played by a lineman to sell it just the way that the quarterback and the running back have to sell it? Well, if it does really look like run and you actually step into them instead of stepping back, and I'm not saying you're climbing to the second level or getting downfield,

but you step into them and they see run, then they're going to play their run gap. They're not going to pass rush you. They will transition to pass rush, but it buys you at least two seconds where they're playing run gap. So if you just make solid contact, knowing you've got two. like at least a second and a half, two seconds before they're going to adjust the pass rush, then you at least bought the quarterback three and a half second. You should have, and then the linebackers and the underneath coverage are reading hats, and they're reading that run fake.

And if it doesn't look like run, then they're not displacing at all from their coverage areas. You want their linebackers to come up. I remember. You want to hold a safety for a second. You're doing that to hold people, so you can throw the ball behind them a lot of the times or throw the ball outside of them, but they're not doing it.

But his run action, his RPL stuff, is like a hard, hard RPO fake. And I actually think two or three times when he ran the ball in RPO, he probably should have thrown it. And I literally wrote down, but does he want to get killed? He's like, here, get me, take it, get it out of here.

You run it. I remember we had a conversation and the reason I'm bringing it up is because Rivera yesterday talked about, you know, you got to run the ball for some of our play action stuff. And you and I had a conversation seven, eight years ago, whenever it was on our show about you don't need to run the ball for play action to still work. But what you're saying is for that to work, you can't stand up in your past. pass protection stance right after the snap if you're an offensive lineman. I mean, look, I've been out of football 10 years. Maybe we're doing it a different way now. But I gave you that first run-action pass play.

Yeah. And, you know, if I'm playing linebacker, I'm like, yeah, nice token fake. What else on your miscellaneous list? So the bad is the bad. Like, the bad is bad that everyone can see. I mean, missing on routes just all over the place. Right. There's a time when he missed Curtis Samuel down in the red zone,

and Curtis Samuel did one of my favorite receivers. Turned around and just stared at him. Like, seriously, dude. I mean, he missed the whip route to Samuel. He missed a wide open throw over the middle to Samuel. Oh, by the way, on that whip route, he missed to Samuel. Yeah. If you pull that play up, the one he threw wildly.

Yeah. you got a whip holding the underneath coverage and you got a crosser coming behind it. It's like the old indie concept with Peyton Manning a lot. Right. If that whip route holds that defender at all, then we're going to throw the cross over his head, which is wide open. Right. Miss that.

Late on Reed, he threw a deep ball to Dotson that he threw on a deep corner. He threw out of bounds to the side, into the sideline. Yep. That ball is out a full second late. If you're going to throw it, it's got to be thrown. Bad ball on the flat. bad. I mean, there was a checkdown to McKissick that you're like, oh my God. Oh, yeah. But the bad balls are, everyone can see the bad balls. And they're not miscommunications

with him and receivers that's just not coming out of the same. And it's not clean. Yeah. So I think everyone's pretty clear on where he was bad as far as throwing the ball. This is completion percentage in the same. Well, I mean, they had a lot of those garbage yards at the end. He ended up throwing for 211. 25 of 43. I mean, he made a couple of good throws in the game, but essentially, I mean. It was a bad, terrible game for you. What would your grade be for once? Not good.

What would it be? It's in that F range. I mean, it's not a, it's not a zero. I'll bet you PFF grades him at like 38. I have no idea what they graded him. What would your grade be for the offensive line? or just pass pro in particular in general.

Yeah. It was bad offense. It was just, it was here, it was bad. It was bad. It was bad game. Bad game on offense.

That game across the board for almost everybody. Terry made a couple plays late. Gibson was okay. I mean. So, McKittick, when he gets the ball on his hands, like,

McKissick to me is that right now is seven, eight, a 12-toucher game guy. He can run the ball. too. Get them involved. Yeah. I don't think it was schemed well. I don't think it was everything.

All right. Anything else on the offense? Oh, I hated the shovel pass on the fourth and one, fourth and two. Yeah. That's a second or third down call. A fourth down call you would like one other option if it's not available. And it wasn't.

And it was dead. D-O-A. All right. And that's all you got. about some defense? Yep. We'll do that right after these words from a few of our sponsors. So I did want to mention

so they've given up 14 sacks and 28 quarterback hits in the last two games and Dallas comes in leading the league in sacks and leading the league in pressures. So Scott Turner and the O line in the quarterback

better figure something out. Maybe well I think they're going to face a lot of four-man defensive fronts. It won't be that look. I mean, you'll go through that on Saturday, but yeah, I mean, Dallas looks nasty on defense and well-coached. All right, what do you have? Yeah, if they think, Mike, if they think Brandon Graham's good. Right. So what- Parsons is a nightmare. Nightmare. And DeMarcus. I have a lot of things like you asked. Yeah. But I'll just go through my defensive notes. Okay.

The one, you have to challenge the deep ball that Smith caught. They haven't gotten anything going yet. I don't think it's the completion. I actually don't know if it gets overturned. Oh, I think it would have. As it was called up. I think it would have. I don't.

It's, it's, I've watched it 50 times. I think it should be overturned. I hate the rule that call on the field has precedence, but I don't think he possesses it before that foot, that left foot comes up. Well, the flag should have come out. They did not, I mean, that's a play. It's a 45-yard play. You've got to challenge that play, and they didn't.

They did it too late. I totally agree. I think that hurts you in that situation. You've been playing a pretty good defense. All of a sudden, you give up this big one that's really shouldn't be given up. Yeah. I think that had to be a challenge. And then, right, the next play is the Goddard screen, right?

The next play is, no. No, no. That's the field goal drive. Right. The Goddard screen, can they tackle? Like, geez, Louise, I know they can, but how did he get through that? It's a great play by him. Don't get me wrong.

Cam Curl missed. Right. 31 in your program. What's the dude's name? 37 struggled throughout the day. That's Wild Goose playing his first game ever in the NFL because they were so injured. Yeah. Right.

no, it was funny. Like one of the first plays he gets a DTI down the field on a inside go route. Yeah. And he is just groping the dude. The entire way, I mean, the entire way down the field. Yeah.

And then he, like, acts like he played good defense. Who was it down the field? Was it, um, was it, um, Quasksxon? Yeah, it may have been, I think it was Quest. Yeah. And Watkins looks back to him.

He was like, dude. I mean, that is so, it's funny is like that's how like through training camp and stuff those guys don't care about the PI and they'll do that because their own team you're about my third year I'm like you can't do that

I mean it's PI you've got to let go you can't just touch me the whole way can't be touching and grabbing 22 yards down the field the easiest call ever who touched and grabbed the most he drove up quite a bit he was what's that

who touched and grabbed the most in practice all of them All of them. But you figure out in the game, you've got to run. Right. But old wild goose was out of position quite a bit. Old wild goose.

You're not a note. I had on wild goose. It's the last touchdown drive of the half. Right. They're playing a quarter's coverage, and he is the quarter's flat defender, which means you're essentially from inside the numbers-ish to hash to sideline, essentially. And Devante Smith runs a five-yard out route. Balls drone, and he's a four-yard-drawn.

and he looked out there like, oh, how did he get out there? I never saw him. You're flat defender. Play the flat. Yeah. That's the flat. That was a big play, too. I'm looking at it right now.

That's like 15 yards. Yeah. AJ was awesome in the game, and that's, like, he's going to make plays. It's tough. I mean, he absolutely mossed Kendall Fuller in the second quarter. Got that big corner or that big slant for touchdown. It gets good coverage. just but juice.

He's a stud, man. He's an absolute stud. There's a fourth and six. Somewhere in the second quarter, they ran that mesh crossers, and Kendall Fuller's running with Devonte Smith on the mesh, and Wild Goose is on the other side running with Zach Pascall. And I just wrote, like,

Kendall Fuller just beat by four yards on a shallow crossing out. And that's not an easy cover right there. I get it. But I wrote, wow, Philly's passed it off three days. times against Washington, and we can't pass it. That's not how they were playing it that week, so that's what it was. But it's just tough on a fourth and six to give up an easy, shallow crossing route. So then I wrote this at the end of the first half, and this is more of a note for myself.

But it is, if I don't have a true single high safety, a true guy with range, that I'm not going to play manned coverage with a single high guy. I'm going to take the single high guy and I'm just going to bracket him to their best receiver. I'm going to in and out Brown or I'm in and out Smith or I'm going to add to that. I'm not, I mean,

I just don't see like McCain or what's 22. I don't see them as true, like, range single high guys, especially in third and fourth down and five and six when I really think they're trying to attack sticks. I don't want that deep help over the top. I want to in and out, Devonte Smith or A.J. Brown.

So I don't give up the six. Right. Well, is it... Or I'm going to play a form of two-man where they can help more on a half. When they are in single high, it's McCain more often than not, right? Right. Yeah. And I'm not saying I think McCain's a bad player. I just don't think he's that true range, ball-hawking single-high guy.

Yeah. Well, they don't have that. So I'm not going to play that coverage. putting a bad spot. Yeah, on the deep shot to Brown that he catches with Fuller actually in coverage that Brown makes a great play on, I mean, why not have McCain over there doubling helping to push that ball away from A.J. Brown, even though that may have been Kendall Fuller's best coverage of the day. He's right there.

I mean, yeah, he's there. He was, I mean, there were two in a row that Devante Smith got on Fuller, like, wow catches. the one he caught down to the and that's where you had safety come in late. Right. I think that was not McCain

that I think that was 22 came in late and can't make a play. Derek Forst, yeah. Yeah, Forrest doesn't make a play on it and Fuller is, I mean, it's an unbelievable catch to get down towards the goal and then the catch, he just,

big boy, Kendall Fuller in the back of the end zone. I mean, that was, those were two unbelievable plays. You'll give that dude a lot of credit to those plays, for sure. He's a good player. I mean, AJ Brown, a good player. Ultimately, though, I thought they did a pretty good job keeping went, or keeping, I'm still saying one, keeping hurts in the pocket.

They didn't give up a ton of rush yards. They forced them to punt seven or eight times. One of the scores was into a short field. I mean, it's just if they could have come up big towards the end of the second half and got some shutdown stuff, they didn't get totally gashed. They played essentially the big plays. a couple of the big plays were phenomenal plays by Philly. Right.

You know, phenomenal catches. They weren't stupid blown coverages. Right. They're like, tip your hat. Like, hell of a play, buddy. Yeah, like last week in Detroit, you know, where there were miscommunications and there were wide open receivers. Everything was contested. I felt the same way.

If they could have had complementary football from the offense, this would have been a ball game because I thought they looked prepared to play defense. I mean, Philadelphia's been the number one rush offense in the last. league for a year plus. And did you notice early they were like sweat was immediately going right for the dive? Like they were not going to get gashed on on the on the on the on the on the on the on the RPO's or any of the zone reads. They were playing the dive and they were like let hurts make some decisions.

But let's try to get them into third downs, which they did. They had nine third downs and a half. And to your point, they punted on their first two drives. They got a field goal on the last one. They had a short field on the touchdown that made it 10. They got a red zone stop on the next one, and at the end of the half, you had great plays made by Smith and Brown. But you got nothing from your offense to make it a ballgame. Nothing.

Nothing. You got the opposite. Yeah. You essentially got the opposite. What's the opposite and nothing? I know what you're saying. The offense helps Philly's offense. No, I mean, they had a couple big stops.

They have a goal line stop on fourth and one with that. that little weird sweet play, that Holcomb played really well and Sweat played really well. Tony played them off the field. Tony played that one well. Shockett Tony was on that play, played that well.

Yeah. They got them off the field enough times. Agreed. On to St. Juist. Yeah. Before we talk about it, I think he plays, almost wow.

You said watch St. Juice, and I was like, that's fun, Kevin, I will. But, wow. I mean, really good hits. He could turn and run. He's got good hands. hands in press and good lengths, but he doesn't overpress and he's not reaching.

You know, he gets enough of a jam, but he's not overextended, and he's got hips to turn and run. Great job undercutting routes on any deep ends or deep crossing routes, undercut them all day. Really good anticipation, I think, for what routes they were running. I think he can come out of his back pedal and drive. You know, can play tight coverage, can undercut and off coverage, can get out of his back pedal, can turn and run, and plays the ball really well in the air. I was really, really impressed with St. Juice.

You go through some of the plays, the first third down stop. It's off coverage, and it ends up being an off-script play where the quarterback scrambles out of the right to, in his change of direction, awesome, and he ends up getting a PBA towards the sideline. I mean, almost

almost gets a beat, but I think it was the quarterback runs and the receiver completely changes out of the normal procedure of the route and he reacts and changes direction. It was awesome. You know, the third down on the second drive. It's a deep hook to A.J. Brown. He comes out of his back pedal.

He drives on the deep hook and he breaks it up. Phenomenal. I thought the coverage with Devonte Smith with the deep ball was really actually pretty good coverage. and it was incomplete, or the one they should have challenged. Right. He didn't get beat. Third and seven at the 14-yard line, probably into the second quarter.

Awesome with trail coverage and undercuts and has another pass break. He has like six pass breakups. I don't think he got credit for six, but he seemed to be around. I think officially it was three or four, because I looked at that at the end of the game, thinking he really was all over the field and just seemed to be draped on people,

even when they made plays. Yeah, three, technically three pass breakups, or pass as defendant. It was more than three. I do literally have PBE you wrote, written down three times. Okay. You know he's six-three, right? Like, he is big and long.

He's a big guy, but he plays with good length. Like, he doesn't overextend his length. He had a pass breakup on a third and long in the second half where Smith just runs a go route. He does end up being able to turn and run and recover. Like I wrote, Be careful squatting on sticks,

especially with guy like Smith, because he'll run by you, and he almost runs by. And maybe a better ball you would have. But ends up being a past break-up. It was good coverage on the touchdown, Adrian Brown on the slant. It was really good coverage. He was never just torched.

And also, I think he's a decent tackler. I think he'll get in and make tackles. I don't think he'll get any miss tackles on opportunities to tackle. This is the best cornerback play of the first three games for them. Not even a question. And they stop going at it. So here's the question for you. He has been playing as the slot corner primarily for the first two games.

And with William Jackson out, he played a lot more outside the other day. Now, last year, he played primarily outside before he was. was concussed, you know, and only ended up playing in five or six games last year. I think, it said last year, he's an outside corner. Six-three long can run. And by the way, like you said, and I remember this last year, we'll definitely come up and hit you and tackle. But they decided, you know, after paying Jackson all the money, Lee Fuller and Jackson

on the outside and 25 St. Juice was going to become our slot corner. I think he's better than Jackson, a lot better than Jackson. A lot better than Jackson. What do you think and what do you think they should do? I mean, he's a lot better than Jackson as well. And I think Jackson's better than Fuller on the outside. And I think if I remember, right, Fuller signed a contract with the Kansas City Chiefs and a big deal because of what an exceptional job he did at, Flock Corner.

Right. So I think this is pretty easy. Jackson and St. Juice are your outside corners, and Kendall Fuller goes in place slot. End, period. Done. I don't think it's a question. You think they'll do it? The question would be, though,

St. Juice played really well, and he played on the defensive left all games. They didn't change. Right. William Jackson plays on the defensive left. Can one of them play on the right? The answer to me should be obviously, yeah, I think they should.

But can one of them play on the right? Can Jackson go over and play on the right? I don't know. Can Jackson play zone when they're in zone? That's where he seems to struggle a little bit. You see St. Juice is a good man and a zone corner, don't you? I agree. I think the first thing, here's my thought, the way he played on the left side of the field.

You just figure out who can play on the right. I really don't care at all that we paid Jackson medium-level. They pay Jackson medium-level cornerback money. They paid him a lot, but it's not top-end corner. That does not. That's not like benching the quarterback. This dude just bawled. He's staying there.

He just, he's staying there. He played a little. By the way, I've noticed he did play inside a couple of times in the game Sunday. I don't know what the final numbers were, how many. I mean. I think that's only when they took a tight end or a backout. Yeah, it looks like it. Yeah, maybe three or four times.

Yeah, I like St. Juice too. I keep St. Juice where he's at in that game. Unless I know he can do the same thing on the right side in William Jackson Camp. I don't know that, but they will. Very impressive place by St. Juice. Really good, really good. Anything else in your notebook?

Saturday morning, you ready to preview Dallas with me? Yeah. All right. We'll do that thing. I'm not. Thank you for doing this. And thank you, everybody out there for listening. I'll be back tomorrow with Tommy.

And then Saturday morning, we'll do our Friday football show with Cooley. And he'll help us preview the Dallas game. Later.