The Kevin Sheehan Show - Cooley Is Back

Episode Date: June 25, 2021

Cooley and Kevin back together on the podcast after Cooley took a hiatus. Where was he? What was he doing? They talked some Washington Football and more too. Then Kevin finished with some Nats, NBA, and a nod to the greatest amateur golfer in the history of this area.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it. You don't need it, but you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Sheehan Show. Here's Kevin. The prize on the podcast today. God, I feel like I have to introduce him because it's been so long. But ladies and gentlemen, I present to you live from Pal Wyoming, Christopher Cooley on the podcast today.

Do you know the last time you did a podcast with me? It's been a while. Like two months, basically. I mean, I think you did something with me at the end of October or the middle of October. And that was the last time. And I explained to people many times over that you're busy. You were doing a lot of work on your home. You were coaching football in the fall.

That was really the last time we talked was before your playoff game. Can we be honest? Yeah, we can be honest. I was trying to be. I added no value to your podcast over the last two months. None. I watched no football. I didn't watch any Washington stuff.

I was busy. I was doing a lot of work on a house, which we built from top to bottom, a shop house. I've told you about that. Yeah. It's a common thing here. It's a giant garage with a house in it. Instead of a giant house with a garage attack, you build a giant garage with a house attack. I love it.

I love it. That's actually not our house. That's the side project. But the thing I was thinking that was crazy was I think it's been almost two years since I've seen you in person. Two years. I don't think that's true. It's getting close to it. Well, hold on.

A year and a half. Let me just say this. When did I have, like, I haven't seen you in almost two years. You came back the once and you didn't tell me you were back, which I had a problem. I did tell, that's, that is not true. That is 100% not true. No, it is true. I can validate that. No, there's validation to that. Because I was on a podcast with you in my empty home that we were moving out of. And you said, yeah, it's really echoey because I'm sure there's no furniture. You can check that one. That's true. That is true. But you didn't tell me you were coming back. You surprised me and said, I'm actually in Virginia. Let me, let me just back up for a moment. But then you didn't drive out and come see me.

Well, no, because you were getting ready to leave. You were getting ready to leave. I was there for 10. I was there for almost 10. No, you weren't. That's not true at all. That is 100% false. And if it's true that you were there and back in town for that long, you didn't let me know until the very end before you were going to leave.

But let me just go back to the first thing you said, which is, can we be honest? You would have added no value. That's actually not being honest, because you always add value. But what I have said to those that have asked many times is that you didn't really want to do it because you didn't feel like you're adding value because you weren't watching any of the games. I mean, yeah. I'm not suggesting Tuesday I don't add value. I believe I didn't add value. Right.

It's not like we were going to get film breakdowns or we were going to get recaps. You weren't watching, even though, by the way, let me just mention you were betting on football all along because we did have some conversations. Not the last two months. Yeah, not the last two months. Okay, fine. But you were betting earlier in the season, and you were watching it, and then you weren't. And every time I would talk to you, you would say, I didn't see the game. I'm not watching anything.

I haven't watched it. Now, the reason you're on the podcast today is you called me yesterday just to catch up, and we were catching up. And I asked you if you watched football this past weekend, and you said, yeah, I watched a lot of football this past weekend. And I said, well, why don't you come on the podcast? And we can talk football, but we can talk lots of other things. Like, I think we should start with where we left off. And that is the last podcast you did, you were getting ready for your big playoff game. I know I talked to you about the game.

Yeah, but not on the podcast. But not on the podcast. Right. Yeah, I'll sum it up. We were down through a lot of the game to the teams that we'd be early in the year. And they were a good team. Not as good as us, and we should win the game. But we were down something like 10 points came back.

We're down seven or I think it ended up being five. We're down five. 14.10 was the final score. You told me it was 14 to 10. Okay, so we're down four. Yeah. Sorry, my score recall, low on this one. But the emotion of the game, high on this one.

we're down 1410 they take the ball all the way down the field with about three minutes left, two and a half minutes left to the one yard line and they fumble it into the end zone and we pick it up and we take it all the way down to the other end of the field and have about

40 seconds left and you got I mean you talk about someone managing timeouts like you've never seen before I mean this guy learned a lot of lesson from you did it perfect we get to a third down and eight and our center blazes one below the quarterback's feet and it runs 20 yards back behind our quarterback

where was the ball how close to the goal line were you oh we're on the actually we're about the 20 this is second down this was actually second down 40 seconds left okay second and eight about 12 yards back on third down so it's like it's like fourth and 16 But we literally are out of time at this point. We almost have to score potentially two plays, especially at the clock stopping. So we throw the hook and ladder. And we complete the hook. We pitch the ladder.

And it is one dude on Douglas' team tackles our guy. And it's a heck of a tackle or he scores. Wow. But what's amazing is, it flashes back to you. And we played high school football, coached high school football. you watched them all of our, all of our team, most our team, every single thing you know, though. Make it through the handshake line and tears are streaming down their face. Right.

And you just remember that moment that something meant that much to you. And it's cool. It was cool. I loved our kids. I loved doing it. I love being there. I hated that they lost that game. but man, I never cried in a college or NFL game after a loss.

Not even close. Is it because it just wasn't that important to you? That's okay. We've got more time to ski. We got plenty of time to go four-wheeling now. Next weekend was going to be a big hunting weekend anyway. Yeah, more like I'm going to lay around for two weeks and do nothing. Yeah, so I loved it, and I felt bad for them, but that was the end of our season.

You thought that the rematch with Douglas was going to be a much tougher game. Well, we would beat them early in the season, 17 to 0, but we had a pick six, a 70-yard touchdown, and then one decent drive in the second half to get three points. Other than that, we were in Nemic on offense. We played great defense. But in the next game, in the playoff game, they had two of their best players. that did not play against us in the first game. I remember you telling me that, yeah.

So I did think it was going to be a much tougher game, but I still think in watching it again, you know, you'd always like to change aspects of a game. And it's, I mean, I'm not calling the game, so I'm not suggesting. But even at that, I'm sure anybody would change a few things about what we did through that game. There's a really good photo of the PAL Panther team

from 20. 21 on Max Preps, which for those of you who really follow high school sports, you know the website MaxPreps.com. They have their top 25 high school rankings for basketball and football, and they keep track of like every season. And Coolies in the back row, you are clearly the biggest of the coaching staff, right? You may have been the biggest dude on the team based on this picture. No, we have an offensive lineman who is, we have one offensive linemen that's bigger than me. Number 66? Yeah. The dude with the long hair? Long blonde hair. Yeah. Yeah, he looks like a big dude.

Now, which guy was the quarterback? Number 14, number two, or number seven? Jet Swan. Number 14? I can't remember what number. I think so. I don't know what number jet wore. I should know.

Here's why I don't know what number they wore. This is a crazy thing, but the three head coaches ago, he bought practice jerseys, which are all 50s to 90s numbers. He thought everyone needed to be a lineman in practice. So we run around in practice with like our quarterback wears 52. Like, what's he wearing? What's the benefit of doing that? Why did he do that?

He thought everybody needed to be a lineman. Okay. I feel like they're tough. I don't know. I wasn't here with that. strange. Well, who won it? Who won the whole thing? Did Cody win the whole thing? Cody, Wyoming. Yeah. Cody was good. Yeah. Cody was a good football team.

It's funny. I would not want to see anyone else in Wyoming that we played, play anybody that was good, like any of the prep schools. I'd be interested to watch Cody play someone just to see. They were pretty good. I mean, I'm not suggesting that they're going to beat any of the big-time schools, but I would just be interested to see where they were in that aspect. Are you talking about the big-time schools in your state or just the big-time high school programs? No, no, no. Cody would have beat anyone in the state. Okay.

Well, they did. They won the championship, but they weren't at the – you guys weren't at the top level, right? There was a bigger class than yours. Yeah, yeah. We were 3A and there's a 4A class. But I would be interested – and I would – I would – won't ask this question six years as I'm around more high school football. But for me, it was a week and week out, like watching a film that's horrible, horrendous.

And trying to judge, how good are these guys, actually? I can't even see it on this film. Right. And then they're not playing against talent. So how am I judging Cody playing Riverton, Wyoming? Because I don't even, I don't know how the Riverton is. I've never seen them in person. So I would love to see just a match up with them of someone.

I mean, take a good Utah team or something and just see where they're at. That'd be fun for me. Why is Utah high school football better than Wyoming? Well, there's big schools in Salt Lake. Right. A Denver team or, you know. Yeah. We're like Cody's 580 kids in the school.

Right. The bottom line is that you would love to know, like, how. Cody stacks up. It stacks up against like modern day in L.A. You know, like the big time, you know, IMG in Florida. St. John's here locally or Gonzaga or good counsel. St. John Bosco. Like, I'm just thinking of all the names. Yeah, more like the take a one step down from that. Like they don't stack up against modern day.

Right. Right. But whatever the one step down. Take it to, yeah, take it one step down. Like, let's take the top 100 high school teams out of these plays. Now where do they stack up? Well, how many Division I college football players were on your team this year? My personal opinion, one, I don't think, it's just I don't know if he'll be a division one kid. I think he'd have to walk on. Right.

Was he a senior or is he an underclass? Yeah, he was a senior. Okay. But I mean, that means he could grow into it. Like there's nobody on our team is going to a top 75 school on a scholarship by any means. I mean, and I told parents that all the time when parents asked me back home, you know, in Virginia where I lived. You love that. watch Jonathan Allen's high school film

watch any watch Derek Henry's high school film if you are wondering if your kid's going to go to Alabama they got to look like that don't wonder it's pretty simple to know if you're in the top 40 schools your high school film

is incredible right you know especially when I think you're talking about like Derek Henry, Reggie Bush had, I think, one of the all-time high school careers. I think that's true, but I think Derek Henry's high school career was ridiculous. I think we've done this before, and I'm pulling it up as we speak, because... Yeah, Derek Henry's high school film is insanity. Here it is.

All right, here it is. Henry, Derek Henry went to Yulee High School in Florida, all right? For his career, four years. of playing high school. Are you ready for this? He rushed for 12,124 yards. He averaged 8.7 yards per carry. He averaged 252 and a half rushing yards per game. And he rushed for 153 touchdowns. His senior year in high school, he rushed for 4,500 yards and 13 games. games, 327 yards a game, 55 touchdowns in his senior year in high school. Oh, my God.

Like that, yeah. That's one of those guys. So I was talking to a high school coach about a team they played and they had a back that I can't remember the name. And he didn't end up being an NFL back, but he was a prominent college back. And he said, after about three or four games, we created the scheme where if we wanted to toss the ball right, we pulled three. linemen left away because we just wanted them out of his way.

Right. Like, they don't even block for these guys. They would prefer to have their blockers out of the way. Yeah. So the guy can just run. That's Derek Henry. Like, you don't even need block form. Just pitch it out there and let him do stuff.

Amazing. I'm looking to see if I can find Reggie Bush's high school stats. I know Reggie Bush's high school film is like, insane. But I can't find the stats. But the Derek Henry numbers, my God, as a ninth grader, he rushed for 2,465 yards and 26 touchdowns. I mean, he's a ninth grader. He's a freshman, you know, when you're not that confident when you're, you know. But he was probably, but he was probably that freshman kid that was 6-3-205. Yeah. By the way, he, he, he, he, he, he,

He's huge. So he held the all-time Florida high school record for yards in a game. He rushed for 510 yards in a game. But it looks like that record was snapped this year. Someone did it, huh? Somebody broke the record. Yeah. Caleb Wagner.

this year broke Derek Henry's single game Florida rushing record with 535 rushing yards and six touchdowns in a game back in September. I'm looking to see, I'm sure this guy is a big-time recruit. Where is he going? I don't know where he's going. I can figure it out. But anyway, hey, it's great to have you back on the podcast. It's great to be back.

you got to remember when he's got 500 yards. He was a junior, by the way, Caleb Wagner. They're 12 minute quarters. I know. Right. I mean, the clock stops on first downs, but also when you're rushing for 500 yards, the clock stops when you run 80 yards into the end zone every time you touch the ball. Exactly. Yeah.

This kid, by the way, who broke Derek Henry's record is a junior in high school. So he's got a 3.4 GPA, and he ran. a 4-4-40, but he's the class of 2023 at Baker High School in Florida. There you go. He's going to be good. I think he'll be good. I'm a feeling he might be pretty good. All right, you want to talk some football?

I mean, like professional football, let's do that right after these words from a few of our sponsors. Don't forget to subscribe to the podcast. It doesn't cost you a thing. Also, rate us and review. especially on Spotify and Apple really helps us out. Cooney is with us today. By the way, you mentioned to me because you had to take a quick break in the middle of recording this podcast because you needed to open up the garage for your wife and you said

it's dumping snow out there. But you and I talked yesterday for a while. You actually haven't had a lot of snow out there so far this winter. You did in the fall, but you really haven't had that much in the winter, right? Yeah, we haven't had that much. A little snow, it can snow in September here. Yeah, I know, it did. It did.

Turn around two days later and be 90 degrees in September. And it can snow in May. I've seen it snow in June here, especially in the mountains. It doesn't always snow that much. We're in a big valley. Yeah. I mean, it's a high desert valley. When you think of valley, you just have 100 miles between two mountains.

So it's pretty open. It can snow a foot or it can't snow. You know, I've been here once when it snows like 18 to 20 inches. But I'm, what was it, eight years ago now, that it snowed five feet? Well, what, here? It wasn't five feet, but it was close to three feet. Yeah, in 2016, yeah. It was over four feet in my home state of Virginia.

In your home state of West Virginia? By the way, right now. But that was the same when we moved to Utah. I could snow two feet. any day in Utah. You know, I've told you this before that on my weather app, I have four locations

that are, you know, saved. I have, you know, Bethesda, Maryland. I don't even live in Bethesda anymore, but I live, you know, right on the Bethesda, D.C. line, basically. I have state college, because that's where my youngest son is still in school at Penn State.

I have Nashville, because my sister lives in Nashville, and I have Pal Wyoming, which I've told you before. Those are the four saved weather things on my weather app. And right now in Powell, it's nine degrees in snowing, which confirms what you said. You didn't tell me how cold it was. We've had, I told you yesterday, we've had winter here for the last two and a half, three weeks. And we're going to get, you know, another one to three inches of snow tomorrow morning, pretty much for the metro area. And then the big storm, I think I told you about this yesterday when we were talking. And I think Tommy and I were talking about it on the

podcast. But the big storm that we, you know, everybody was talking about for the weekend, looks like it's going to stay south of us right now. But it's going to be really cold for here. I mean, like highs in the 20s, lows in the, you know, teens at night. But the weather, the weather, when, you know, you pull up a location and it's snowing, it's such a pretty little picture of the of the weather when they've got all the snow falling. Me and a friend of my mom. A friend of mine, Joe Preston, whenever, like, there's snow in our area and it shows, like, the heavy snow falling down like it did the other day, we just send each other. We just send each other the pictures of the weather. I don't know why that thrills both of us, but it does.

It's amazing because one of the biggest differences I've noticed from being here, one, there's two to three inches of snow on the ground outside, and it's going to snow more throughout the day. You think we even looked to see if schools were canceled? Right. No. Dude, there's still schools closed this morning from what happened here on Sunday. There's still, because of iciness, I was watching this last night, you know, that schools were closing today. It's a joke. It's a joke. I don't even want to get into the schools. There's a different, and there's a reason. But it's funny, you don't even think about that.

And at schools, if it's going to be real feel above zero, they still have recess. What would close the schools there? Like extreme cold? Like just say it's 30 below zero, which it can, would that close schools? No. No, we had last year we took her to school one day. It was negative 19 when we left the house. But that's it.

I mean, that was two weeks been. Like I told you the last three weeks it's been. The high of 37, low of 18. Right. I mean, it gets extreme, but it's not as extreme as everybody seems to make it out to me. The other funny differences, I would have known about this snowstorm in my home state of Virginia for a long time. But it would have been built up like, oh, snowstorm, 2022. There's no weather.

It comes on the radio. It's going to be a little bit cold tomorrow, low of negative six, high of eight. Yeah. Fitely breezy, wind coming out of the northeast at 12 to 17 miles an hour. All right, have a good day. It's like, that's a blizzard to a lot of people. So no snowstorm would close schools there. I don't believe that to be true.

I think. No, wind drifting would do it. And here's the thing, and I totally see this. The difference is, one, everyone's got a truck or some adequate car. Two, there's no cars on the road. three, all the roads are a little bit wider and pretty straight. So the driving hazard is dramatically less than where you're at. Buses are more adept.

Drivers are better at doing it. You can't take the risk of taking kids to school or taking kids home from school and snow. And if you have ice on the road, some of those smaller roads and all the cities and towns around the DMV, they weren't, they're small roads. Yeah. We've gone to heavily traffic road, dry mill road and leaveburg. That's tight. It was built for, it was built 300 years ago.

But there's a personnel. Well, there are two things that you didn't add to that. One is you're more equipped to, you know, clear it from the roads out in places like that. And then two, it's just a different personality. There's a hardiness and a toughness because it's the way, you know, the people, out there have dealt with every winter. Winter is winter. Every winter. No one says anything about it. It's not even discussed. You're like, okay, what? Well, I know that. I know that. But there's not a, I don't feel tough.

What it is. Well, you just describing it that way means that you're tough. The fact that it doesn't even enter your mind. It's negative nine today. Just get Sloan ready for school. We're running late. Grab a, grab an English muffin. Let's go. You have your gloves. Do you have your gloves? Do you have a hat? Don't worry about it. It's only negative nine.

You'll be fine. It's not that windy. Just run around a little bit. Our extended forecast temperature-wise is actually colder than you guys for the next 10 days. But whatever. Oh, our coldest month is February. So let's talk some football. Tell me what you liked and what you didn't like and what you thought of the, you know,

know, six wild card games. It was boring. I mean, there weren't great games, but what were your thoughts on the football weekend? Okay, I'm going to take it back to Pittsburgh, Kansas City, which was a play in game, or Pittsburgh, Baltimore. Yeah. To play in against Kansas City. Last game, yeah, right. Because this was one of the first times I've actually done this. My father a lot was in town. He's a big Steelers fan. And so we went to the golf course and Cody, and sat in the clubhouse. And there was probably 30 people in there watching the game and a bunch of Steelers fans. What a great game that was.

Oh, yeah. That whole final Sunday was great. The whole final Sunday was great. I mean, and sitting there thinking, the only way you get in is if Jacksonville wins. And then Pittsburgh pulling it off

in the end. And I literally, I'm not a Steelers fan, and I'm not an over-the-top Brasperger fan, but watching that game, you're thinking, I'd like him to at least get into the playoffs. I maybe changed my mind when they got smoked back in the city what the best outcome for him would have been. But gosh, that was a lot of fun.

It's been a long time since I've done with 20-some people and watched a football game. Right. So I really haven't. And I really enjoyed that. So I'm going to try to do that more through the playoffs, get together with friends and stuff. It made it a lot more fun.

But even through that, like, if Oakland, ties with the chargers, they're both in. Coolie, it's not an exaggeration, and I spent 30 minutes on this game the day after. It's one of the all-time great and memorable regular season games of all time. You know, in part because of the playoff, you know, situation where a tie they both went. If there was a winner, that team went, a loser, that team was out. But the game was phenomenal. You know, it was back, it was an incredible back and forth, Justin Herbert converting.

all of those fourth downs on those drives, you know, at the end of the game when they were down 29 to 14 and came back and tied it. And then you got into that weird area where it's like, okay, what are they going to do? Are they going to, you know, obviously the chargers would benefit significantly from a tie here. And it got weird. And, you know, a lot of people had this thought that Brandon Staley, did you watch this game? I don't even know if you watched this game. Did you or not? Yeah, I watched the game. I watched it with my father. So you'll understand this. There was a lot of criticism that Brandon Staley calling the timeout before the third and four in overtime cost the chargers a playoff berth. And I was like, I don't understand. What are you talking about?

Like there was only three seconds left on the play clock. It's not like the Raiders were then inspired to run a play. They were going to run a play regardless. You know, one of the things I pointed out, and I don't even know if you know this, and I don't even know this. I'm going to assume that you didn't because you weren't really following the NFL season, but there actually was an incentive for the Raiders to win the game. You know, them winning it meant they got Cincinnati. Them losing it meant, or them tying it meant they were going to play Kansas City at Arrowhead. You know, Kansas City scored, you know, 86 points in two games against the Raiders. But the bottom line was that before that third and four,

they were in that gray area of 54-yard field goal, don't get the first down or what do we do? And the Chargers lost the game because Josh Jacobs ripped off a 10-yard run, which meant attempting the field goal was kind of a no-brainer. But that game and that day, which, by the way, followed the 49ers Rams game, which was incredible. It just was a great day of football and a much better, you know, day of football than the weekend that we just had.

Yeah, I don't, and I didn't have a problem with the timeout. You have an opportunity to, they're going to run a play. Yeah. You have an opportunity to see what they're in, see the front, make adjustments. I had no problem with that. I just sat the whole time, and I realized, because we were discussing that, well, Oakland really wants to win. But can you imagine, let's just say it's not Kansas City, or Kansas City or Buffalo, or it's the, what is your problem with them just taking a knee to start the game? and basically taking two

The league wasn't going to allow that. The league had already told both teams. You're not, you can't. That's a really interesting predicament that it puts the league in and both teams in if there's no real incentives to win because it is a buy week. Right.

You don't have to play. They could play nobody. They could choose to not score. I guess they would heavily find both teams probably take draft picks. So that creates more incentive. But if you're the league... Would you want to play in a game like that?

What if you were on one of those two teams and the coach came to you and said, so we talked to the other team, you know, if we tie this game we're both in and we decided that we're going to take knees or we're going to play kind of a quasi-real game where, you know, we're going to allow each other to score 7 and we're going to get the score to 7-7,

and then we're going to go through an overtime. How would you feel about that? Well, a quasi-real game becomes a real game, essentially. But you know me. I mean, my incentive would be that I got a four-wheeling trip two weeks from now. I got incentive to lose this sucker. Would I be interested in being in a situation where literally, What if you just snapped the ball and someone sat there, everyone just sat there for 15 minutes?

Yeah. All you've got to do is take one snap, sit for 15 minutes. Neither. It's second down in 11. Well, you'd have a penalty. You'd have delay a game. No, you snap the ball. Oh, you snap.

No. Well, the way to do it would be just. You're not getting tackled. Each team just taking one knee after another every 40 seconds. I know, but that, I mean, you actually don't have to do that. If I'm the quarterback, I have four receivers just stand there, and the entire defense stands there and watches me. What stops the play? Oh, I see what you're saying.

I didn't even consider that. That's funny. Like, you snap it back to Justin Herbert, and everybody just stands there for 15 minutes until the quarter's over. And when the quarter ends, he just, what, he just throws it away, although he won't want the incompletion. He goes back to the line of scrimmage and takes a knee. So that there's... He doesn't have to take a knee. The quarter expires. Well, the play's still on going. He's got to end the play. At zero, at zero, he takes a knee. Yeah. It makes it second down in 13. He takes another snap.

At the end of the half, he takes a knee. They kick off. The Raiders take two knees and the raiders, but that doesn't... So would they just be hanging out and having it? some conversations with each other during the 15 minutes? You know, because there's no, because the Raiders can come over on that side of the line of scrimmage. You just don't want one of the linemen to be downfield. But then again, who cares? Because the flag will fly, but, you know, the Raiders will just decline the penalty at the end of the quarter. By the way, that would be funny, right?

You get to the end of the 15 minutes and there's a flag down and the referee comes on and says, we've got an ineligible receiver downfield on the offense number 76. The penalty was declined. Why is he'll be downfield? Huh? There's no reason for him to be downfield. Well, that's true. You've got to throw it for him to be downfield.

But no, no, no. I'm saying for the penalty, to the penalty. You're about six minutes into the first quarter. And the announcers go, all right, we're going to go to break. We'll be back in a second. they come back with 258. No, but what if like somebody, what if somebody says to the lineman, hey, I want to show you something down here in our end zone.

It's really cool. Come in a look at that. I want to introduce you to my wife. She's sitting down here in the end zone. We can talk to her from the end zone down here. I didn't even think about that. Now, obviously, you know, we've had situations similar to this in the past, but the teams haven't been playing each.

other, you know, the way this one sort of set up. Both teams played it to win it. The chance of it happening again is pretty remote. I don't think they need to address the playoff tie-breaking procedures to, you know, eliminate this possibility because it's actually hard to eliminate this possibility. Like, how would you eliminate it? It's not a great. The likelihood is great.

No, that's what I'm saying. Those two teams play each other to get in. Both need him to die. That's a very slim likelihood. I have something for you on this game because I don't know if I talked about this on the podcast, but I think I talked about it on the radio show because I had somebody to talk about it with. But I thought that there was a really interesting possibility at the end of overtime. So remember, the Raiders had the third down and four when the Chargers took the first of

their two timeouts. Now, from the 39-yard line, that's a 56-57-yard field goal. And the discussion was, would the Raiders put Carlson out there to kick a 57-yard or if they got stopped on third down, yes or no? I actually thought there would be a chance, but only if it was the last play of the game. And so if Jacobs had been stopped short of the first down, instead of ripping off 10 yards on that third and four, if let's just say he gets two yards to the 37-yard line.

There are two questions here. One is, do you think the Raiders would have kicked the field goal, 54-yarder, to win the game and to go to Cincinnati? Because what's the risk? The risk is, right, that it gets blocked in return, but there's another risk, too, unless the Chargers don't do something about it. The other risk is if the Chargers, which is,

This is what I would have done if I were Brandon Staley. If I were Brandon Staley, I would have called a timeout before the fourth down immediately so that it put in the Raiders mind at that point. If you kick this long field goal and you miss, we're going to have the ball at the 45-yard line and we're going to go try to win this game. Versus having it be kicked with two seconds left and then there's no threat for the Raiders other than a blocked field goal in return. I think you would have called time out immediately.

I don't know. I don't know if he would have picked up on that or not. I mean, because the Raiders, if he had been stopped, your initial... I'm not leaving a 55-yard field goal from the 37-yard line. I'm not leaving the balance of my season to a kick, which a kicker wants to make. Yes, of course. I'm not leaving a two-second. But you might think before that fourth down that the other coach, not risk kicking it.

And he's just going to let the clock run out. But I don't think... Fourth and one. But I would have never thought, I would have thought, no, no, no, no. I've got to make sure that if he does decide to kick it, it's with 34 seconds left. And so that he's got to think about the ramifications of a missed field goal in that spot. Because the only way he can get eliminated from the postseason is losing the game too. and he's in a position to control not losing the game.

And you got to make him kick and try to save time. Like you want to win a game there. You would have called the timeout if you were the Chargers, and then if I'm the Raiders, I would have punted it. And then I, because I wouldn't have wanted to risk missing a 55-yarder and having them two completions away from field goal range, they would have punted it, and then the Chargers would have taken a knee,

and the game would have ended 32-32. But it doesn't matter. Jacobs got the first down. Here's the other thing from the end of that game. I didn't think about this in the moment. Brandon Staley should have had his corner rushers on the field goal attempt, jump off sides, and go ram into the holder and the kicker. And block the kick, you know, because you were clearly off sides,

whistles blowing, but just go in there and make sure that Rich Pesachia, the head coach of the Raiders, knows that we're not letting you kick this field goal in a comfortable way. We're putting this at risk. So you're suggesting something completely different, which is injure both the holder and the It's not that I want an injury, but I want the coach to think that there's a possibility that my kicker and holder might get, my kicker in particular might get injured. So I'm just going to take the knee and take the seven seed in the playoff spot.

So jump offside and just go. Well, block it. Go in and. Bollywop the kicker. Well, go in and block it and roll into the kicker after you've blocked the kick. But that might just put into the mind of the coach, oof, they're off sides, and now the kick is shorter, but my kicker's hobbling around. You know what that finds is.

Can you imagine what that fine is? It's not the best of sportsmanship. I'm just thinking about how to win. He's going to have to bring me over and say, listen, there's a good chance that this is the largest fine in NFL's Well, I mean, well, you can't We'll find a way to get a fake. You wouldn't be able to prove. My guy got a quick jump.

He went in, we needed to block the field goal. He takes a big dive. He runs into the holder. He then rolls twice, rolling up the kicker's ankles. You couldn't find him if he blocked the kick. You couldn't find him if he blocked the kick. We were trying to block the kick to save our season. He jumped off sides.

Sorry about that. Well, it depends on how he blocks the kick. Yeah. Does he go helmet first into the holder? That was such a great game. All right. Let's talk about the football from this past weekend. So, what game, first of all, the game I was most excited about, for whatever reason, was the San Francisco's Dallas game.

Yeah, I think everybody felt the same way going in, yeah. I think that was the game that I wanted to see. Gosh, San Francisco is, I would not want to play San Francisco right now. they're hot. They need Bosa. He got hurt. They need Bosa. He's in concussion protocol.

You think that he's not going to play in that next game? I don't know. He'll be fine. I would bet you that Bosa's going to come back and play. They do need Bosa. He's a game wrecker. Yeah, he's correct. But right now, San Francisco is really, really good.

Their ability to run the ball, and some of the stuff Kyle got now was getting that dude Iuke down the field and Debo Samuel doing everything and Kittles and the balance that they have on offense as long as Garoppolo doesn't fuck it up which he tried to do they're awesome

and Garoppolo can make some plays I don't think he's the best I just think he's a little bit risky at times he's the worst of the quarterbacks in the final eight by far. If you're totally a quarterback person, like the only teams that I'm picking

to advance are the teams with the quarterbacks. Will the 49ers rank last this weekend with probably Tannahill next to last? Do you like Garoppolo? Do you like anything about Garoppolo? He's got a quick release? Yeah, he does.

He does. He's got a lightning quick release. That's what Mike told me last week. I had Mike Shanahan on the radio show. and we were talking about Garoppolo, and he said he's got a really quick release. And he can be, you know, when he gets hot, you know, with that quick release, he can be, he can be good, you know. But obviously his accuracy is inconsistent, and the decision-making is inconsistent. He let Dallas on one single play back into that game.

Well, and that's not decision-making. That's accuracy. I guess you could go back in hindsight that you just can't throw that. all there, but he's got an open receiver. He's airmailed. Fair point. He can make that throw. There's no question he can make

that throw. He doesn't make the throw. Do you want your quarterback questioning on the move in a critical game? I can't make this throw, so let me just take a sack here. Let me run out of bounds or just throw it to the Oh, I want my guy to try to make the throw. I would bet on him

to make that throw versus throw it 8 feet over the receiver's head, which is what he did. Yeah. So I don't question the decision-making there. I think exactly what Mike said, if he starts making some throws, if he can make some throws, and he does have a super-quick release, I don't love him. He's probably Washington's quarterback next year.

Okay. I'm going to get to that in a moment. But, I mean, the thing is, is San Francisco's awesome. And their defense is outstanding. What Dallas has done on offense, especially over the last month, six weeks with Dak, they were just shut down. Shut down. I thought it was ridiculous what they did with Dak running 16 yards or whatever it was on the last play.

I mean, I think that's bone-headed. Most people have come out and said you need 18 seconds. Well, if you know you're doing that, they could have gotten the ball snap. But that also goes to one of those things where it's like, is that something you ever practiced? I never practiced that. maybe once ever that last deal. Oh, really? You need to tell somebody you have to hand the ball to the official or the line judge so he can spot it.

He has to spot it. They may have got it snapped if they had just handed in the ball. That's right. Well, so you were never coached on how to handle that last throw with no timeouts to get in position to clock it? It was so rare that that was practiced for us. So rare. like, hey, we have a play here, which is a quarterback draw where we need to get seven yards. I'm not talking about a quarterback draw because you rarely see what we saw Sunday.

What you usually see is a throw to a receiver who catches it, goes down, gets up, runs to the referee, hands him the ball, gets set, clock it. The quarterback draw play in that situation, I can't remember ever seeing that called. I mean, I said to Tommy yesterday it would have been faster and, and easier to do it the traditional way, especially with the way the 49ers were playing it, which is just throw a quick pass over the middle to one of your receivers, let him concede after 10 yards and then line up and clock it, because you can do that in 14 seconds.

But it's the court – it's not only the quarterback run, it's the fact that it's a draw where he takes a step backwards first before he runs it. I know. I'm with you. I think you throw the ball there. And in that situation, yeah, you're receiving. You want to complete it, what, seven yards over the middle of the field or eight yards or maybe 10? And I understood McCarthy's reasoning.

Do you want to throw Hail Mary or do you want to run five birds into the end zone from the 25? Well, of course I wanted to run five birds into the end zone. It gives me a chance to spread the field there. Let me interrupt you because I want to tell you something right now because somebody sent this to me. So somebody had all the Hail Mary NFL stats. I don't know what period of time this is. Somebody just sent this to me, and it looked like it was real. But the Hail Mary hit rate percentage from 40 to 50 yards out, which is where they were.

They were at the 41-yard line, 40-yard line, is 11%, which by the way seemed high to me. I thought I would have thought it would have been less than 10%. And the Hail Mary rate for under 40 yards, or a last second throw into the end zone from under 40 on a final play, is also 11%. Now, I don't know, like, Hail Mary from the 24-yard line is not the play you're running, you know, but the defense that you're going to get on one play from the 25-yard line versus one play from the 40-to-50-yard line, you know, isn't that dissimilar. You're not going to play it. It's not like you're going to hit something in the timing of the play from the 25-yard line,

because they're going to be- The thing about the 25-yard line is it gives you an option to throw the bowl. somewhere around the 10-yard line and still run it. So you have to defend that. You can't just put everybody back. Well, you can protect from about the five-yard line and backwards and say... I mean, you can... Yeah, it's still very tough.

I understand that, but you still have to be prepared for somebody. Like, Cedie Lamb catches the ball at the seven on the move. Right. You've got to think about that, at least. So you have to keep people out of the end zone to protect. that. Now, I don't hate the call. And the execution is abysmal because Dax got to know. And Dack, of anybody, the quarterback should know that you have to give the ball the line

judge. Not your center. Cousin, what, spiked it or took a knee in Philly right? You took a knee in Philly before the end of the half, yeah. Yeah, got a little bit confused. But I'm excited to watch San Francisco. I think San Francisco has a legit chance to get to the Super Bowl. So I thought that was an excellent game.

The Rams game, not a great game, but the Rams are unbelievable. I'm not like Sean. I wouldn't even say I'm really truly rooting for the Rams. I think you are. But the Rams are not. I'm not. Okay. Well, all right, let me rephrase.

If this were a year ago, or two years ago, you would have been really rooting for Sean. Yeah, when he was playing Belichick in the Super Bowl, yeah, absolutely. I was really rooting for Sean. I'm distanced enough from it. But when you watch that team, the amount of talent on that team, I mean, literally, if you think of, if you think two years back, they're also going to add Vaughn Miller and Odell Beckham and Matt Stafford

and Sony Michelle. Well, Jalen Ramsey in last year, yeah. I mean, Jalen Ramsey was there last year. I know. But I mean, in this year, They just keep adding. They're stoning the show. Yeah. There is no...

And they never have draft picks. There's no shortage of them going for it and giving up whatever they have to give up future-wise in draft choices to get great players that are already proven. You know, people are going to learn a little bit. I mean, this is like, you know, this is like a throwback to what George Allen was when he was a coach here in Washington in the 70s.

But you have to be able to manage those dudes. Right. And Sean, you've got to give Sean a lot of credit for getting everyone on the same page. and Rahim Morris is very good at that as well. Rahim Morris is such a stud, and it's so good with guys. So good with guys. Guys really like Rahe Moore.

You've always liked him. Loved him. I think he's incredibly bright. I think he's a great football mind besides just being incredibly bright, and I think he relates to the players as well as I've seen any coach that I've ever been around. He's going to get, he's getting interviews right now. King's asked to interview Rahim Morris, and I think another team did as well. You've always said that he needs another chance to be a head coach.

Yeah, he was way too young and didn't have the team when he got that opportunity in Tampa. I disagree with you on the Rams. I disagree with him as an interim. I disagree with you on the Rams. I want to go through some of these other games and talk about the upcoming games. I understand they've got a lot of talent. And you know me, I've always been a big Stafford fan, and I always, you know, would say,

I don't care what his record is. It doesn't matter to me. Put him on a real team, real organization with a real coach and real talent, and you've got an elite quarterback. Statistically, he had a really good season. But I don't think they're on the same page. I think offensively there's just something off. And I know you haven't watched as much football.

You watch them on Monday night. But even Monday night, like he wasn't asked to do much. He was 13 of 17 in the game. I mean, the Cardinals were completely overwhelmed. I thought Kyler Murray looked terrible. I thought Kyler Murray and Cliff Kingsbury looked like they were totally unfit for the moment, you know, a playoff game. But, you know, it was their first one, whatever.

But in watching Stafford, especially coming down, you know, the home stretch here, he's had some really shaky moments. He threw seven interceptions in their last three regular season games. You know, he took a lot of sacks. You know, I think there's just something a little bit off with, you know, it might be just because it's still the first year and maybe next year, you know. But I don't, as much as I am kind of rooting for Stafford and for Sean, I don't think they're going to beat the Packers.

Now, no result this weekend would shock me, and I want to get to that here shortly. But I think they're the team out of the eight this weekend that I believe in the least amount. I believe in the Niners more than I believe in the Rams. And that doesn't make any sense because I don't, I'm not the fan of Garoppolo that I am of Matt Stafford. But there's just been something, look,

he's made some big throws and had some big drives. He's also thrown like three pick sixes in the last month. So, and I didn't think, by the way, How about Cam Acres? Do you know that he ruptured his Achilles in July and was back playing this weekend? That's amazing, isn't it? But we don't disagree on the Rams. Well, you really like the Rams.

I'm sitting here telling you, which I preface with, I think San Francisco can make it all the way, I'm telling you that the Rams are the best team right now, talent-wise. Talent-wise. They're an all-star team. They are stacked. I mean, Yvonne Miller is really starting to play well. God. I don't know if I truly believe in Duran.

I think they can beat the Packers. I don't know if they can beat the 49ers. I don't know if either LaFleur or McVeigh can beat their mentor, Kyle Shannon. Yeah, by the way, the Rams aren't playing the Packers. They're playing the Bucks. They're playing the Bucks Sunday. I realize that, but they have to play, like, in doing so,

I think San Francisco will beat Green Bay. They can run the ball, and that's how you beat Green Bay. Right. And so if the Rams, and it's not, it's not a given that the Rams are going to be Tampa. Tampa's a good football team. Yeah. So. And I don't think, I'm not saying I would, I would bet on the Rams to win the game.

I think they're, we found a way to get hot. I'm with John Stafford. A lot will depend on him. And this is a huge week because Bulls is going to bring everything. at him. But the difference with the Rams right now, in my opinion, is once they figured out how to use Odell, and being in that offense and Kyle and all of what they're all doing, you need that one big time dude that scares you to death down the field. And Cooper Cup can do everything, but he doesn't scare you to death vertically. Just let's go with a run action and send him

straight vertical and he'll win. That's not the thing that scares you about Cooper. Cup. It scares you to death with Beckham. Add the rest of the guys into the mix. Now it's a problem because we've got to cover Higby and we've got to cover Cooper Cup and we've got to cover all these guys. We've got to stop showing Michelle. We've got an acre. That's the problem. Odell, in the dynamic of fitting him in, gave Sean that one true elite receiver, which was what he had three years ago when they went to the Super Bowl with the guy that had a thousand yards of three teams in a row. What's his name? Jared. He played for Patriots.

Oh, no, no. Yeah, yeah, they got it's in Houston right now. Woods. The receiver. Woods. Yeah. No, not Robert Woods. He was the burner. Oh, oh, oh, Brandon, Cooks. Brandon Cooks.

Brandon Cooks. That's what he had. He has been that changes the dynamic of that offense. If you want to go run-action pass at the highest percentage of anyone in the league, which is what Sean does, you better be able to scare someone to death over the top. and they haven't had that until Odell started to fit in to that office. And they have it. And that's what changes a lot for Stafford.

It just takes time to get that to work, especially with the quarterback who's there in the first year and a guy like Odell. The Rams last year, I mean, I talked, I think Sean McVeigh out of the weekend, just, I, he's really good. You know, he won a playoff game last year in Seattle with John Wolford at quarterback. And then, you know, they came back and they played the Packers at Lambo in the divisional round, and they lost that game, but Aaron Donald basically couldn't play. I mean, he tried to play, but he was hurt in that game. There's a lot about the Rams that I really like. I just think they're a little bit off offensively, but your point's a good one,

because not only has OBJ looked great the last couple of weeks, but Von Miller now all a sudden looks like Von Miller. Coming on. And that's scary what they have defensively. Now, they got to get healthier, I guess, on the back end. I mean, they signed Eric Weddle last week. Who hasn't played two years? Right.

Gets to play a playoff game, my dream. Yeah. To live my dream. But I, so what, real quickly, what else, you see, the Rams, the Cowboys 49ers game, the Steelers game was, you know, whatever. That was awful. What did you think of Burrow? Did you watch Bengals over the Raiders and Burrow and Chase together?

Burroughs are unbelievable. the throw he makes where he's going out of bounds of the sidelines. The inadvertent whistle play, yeah. I mean, he's a really special player. He's really athletic. He's the smartest guy, as I've seen. I've listened to a couple interviews, too. It's so funny.

I don't know if you've ever pulled up interviews with Burrell, but he will discuss in full football terminology what happened to the game. So what you see up there? Well, they were giving us a five-strong five-week with the two inverts on this side, and then they were playing a quarter's over, hangover. here. So I'm looking for, it's like, this is, I love this. You know who else does that? Cooper Cup does that. Yeah, Cooper Cup does absolutely do that. Here's a question. Here's a question. Here's a question for it. Burrow, Herbert, or Josh Allen right now? You get your choice of,

that was my choice to. Burrow Allen Herbert. Three and one, two, three, Burrow Allen, Herbert. it's a tough choice but Burrow I think over the next over the longevity will be the guy why Allen over Herbert he's so versatile

and so's Herbert don't get me wrong on that I think they're pretty close but I just there's something I love about Josh Allen his charisma his leadership his ability to go win a game right now

he's a little bit of a wild guard But I mean, that's a tough one. They're both three players. You'd be happy to have either of them. He was so good Saturday night. And like his best, when they've really got it going, it makes the decision in my mind really hard between all three of them, by the way. And I love Burrow and Josh Allen's personality type.

I think we're still learning about Herbert. But I mean, Herbert's done it. The game he had last Sunday night in those two drives and the throws that he made. By the way, I mentioned this that, you know, in the last drive of regulation where the Chargers came down and scored and tied the game in forced overtime, they decided not to go for two after they'd gone for two on the earlier play. But, you know, he was five of 19 on that drive. Like, it was amazing. Like, Justin Herbert, I'll never forget. had his performance in this game, you know, and the last two drives. The last play was a 19

play drive that lasted just over two minutes of the clock, and he was five of 19. In the game, he threw 30 incompletions in the game. I mean, how often you see... Not on fourth down. Not on fourth down. Nope, not on fourth down. But the thing about Josh Allen, we've seen him play some bad games. I don't remember at this point, and I haven't watched all of them, But Josh Allen's had a couple of stinker games. I'm not talking about in the first few years of his career. I'm talking about since it became obvious that he was, you know, he was a dude. And they got it right at number seven, which you called from the jump.

When everybody was saying, oh, his accuracy is a problem. You were saying, no, it's not. And you called him from the beginning. But he's had some games where you're like, that's not the guy that I thought, you know, I was watching, you know, last week or in the playoff game. Right. So here's the thing I think with Alan that maybe is a little bit less than the other two. His immediate decision-making from the pocket. I think he could be quicker.

And I think he's – but you've watched Alan get better at everything he's done over the last couple. He's just able to compensate perfectly for it. And he's such a threat as a runner. Yeah, I mean – He's such a threat as a runner to also throw the ball 55 yards down the field. in a position that maybe only Aaron Rogers can do. Russell Wilson a little bit. He's really a problem as a scrambler.

It reminds me a lot of L.A. I see a lot of L.A. Well, it's not just that he's a great runner as a scrambler. I mean, they run a lot of design stuff and a lot of options stuff for him. I mean, they run power sweep with him like they did with Cam Newton in Carolina. He rushed for nearly 800 yards this year. I mean, I think he, you know, Jackson didn't play nearly the same number of games. I think Hertz was the number one rusher overall from the quarterback spot.

But anyway, so let me just mention to you, because I want to talk about this weekend's matchups. So I said this morning on the radio show, I go, I don't think there's any team that you could tell me ends up in the Super Bowl now that would be a shocker. You know, I think the Rams are the team that I trust the least out of the final eight. But if you told me that it was Rams, Bengals, and the Super Bowl, I wouldn't be shocked. I don't think there's a result from this point forward that would be a major stunner to me. Now, I'm not saying that, you know, you feel the same way. I'm curious as to what you think. But one of the things that, you know, sort of backs up that feeling, and I didn't do it this way,

I went and looked at this after kind of feeling this way. We haven't had a week like this in this round of the playoffs in like seven or eight years, maybe ever, actually. I went back like six, seven years in terms of the matchups point spread-wise. We do not have a point spread in any of these four games right now over five and a half points, although you can find some Green Bay minus sixes, but that is pretty much five and a half. the Titans are three and a half over the Bengals, the Bucks are a three-point favorite over the Rams, and the chiefs are two, two-and-a-half-point favorite over Buffalo. Every single year in this round, there is at least one, if not two teams that are more than a touchdown favorite.

Like two, last year, Kansas City was an 8.8.5 point favorite over Cleveland. Two years ago, Baltimore was a 10 point favorite over Tennessee. Kansas City was a 10 point favorite over Houston. In 2018, the Saints were a 9 point favorite over Philadelphia. In 2017, New England was a 16 and a half point favorite over Houston. So you're just, these matchups by, in terms of point spreads, are so close. I don't think any result or any team in the Super Bowl would surprise me. Would it you? Would any of these teams making the Super Bowl be a surprise to you?

If Cincinnati played Kansas City or Buffalo, I think it would surprise me if they were to make it. But they're not. I mean, let's say. Well, they would have to in the next round. I realize that. But if Buffalo were to win, maybe since he's got a chance against Buffalo. Buffalo, Kansas City is going to beat Cincinnati.

Cincinnati, in my opinion. I have a hard time thinking after watching what Kansas City did. Kansas City is going to be in the Super Bowl. I'd be shocked if they were. See, I don't. It's so good. They just lost to Cincinnati three weeks ago. I agree with that. I really like that. I know. It's incredible. Literally 500 yards. He threw or four, no, that one he threw for 446. I'm sorry. Four touchdowns, 446 yards. That's not a playoff game. It was a big game for both teams.

I realized that. I realized because Kansas City is playing for a buy. But gosh, dang, I have a hard time thinking that in this situation that Andy Reed isn't going to be able to create for his guys. He hasn't prepared throughout the year with things that you haven't seen because he has the ability to do that. They just have so much in their arsenal that you don't even see week in a week out. Let me just mention this to you. But I would I think the right? No, let's go over time.

Let me go through it. No, I think, I think that any, I think Buffalo or Kansas City, I would bet on Kansas to win the game. I think it's a toss-up. I think you look at Cincinnati, anything can happen. I don't love Tannahill at all. Derek Henry is going to be a massive factor in this. But honestly, I don't like that they have the buy against, and playing against the hot.

Bengals team. Right. The Bengals, if they find a way to score in the red zone, which they will have to do, they smoke the Raiders. They clearly won that game. They just couldn't score in the Red Zone. They kicked like six field goals.

Right. So I don't love that buy for them. I think Green Bay is in a better position with the buy because I think Aaron Rogers needs it. And I think

that giving them time to prepare for that which I bet LaFleur said, Calh-Shanahan is going to win this game against the Cowboys. We're going to spend a lot of time getting ready for this offense, which I know incredibly well, and I understand the defense, and I understand all this. That'll be a fun matchup. You think LaFleur knew that the 49ers were going to beat the Cowboys? I would have bet on that. But you just said, okay, you said Kansas City Buffalo you got as a toss-up,

but you also said you think Kansas City is going to be in the Super Bowl and win the Super Bowl. So you would be surprised if Cincinnati or Tennessee, ended up in the Super Bowl. The only reason, a little bit, though, but the thing is, I do think Buffalo can be Kansas City. Right. I see what you're saying. Okay. I want to just...

Because neither Tennessee or Cincinnati are playing Kansas City this week, I do think that Buffalo could win, and anyone could be the Super Bowl in the FC. Right. Kansas City, not like the Rams. Like, the Rams, I just think there's something a little bit off. That's all I'm saying about them all. offensively, you know, with Stafford. He still has had incredible moments down the stretch.

I mean, he had a 92-yard drive to give the Rams the lead in that 49er game, and he had a big-time drive to beat Baltimore the week before that. The Chiefs, you know, early in the season, it was looking like it wasn't their year, and then they really got it going. And they got it going by, you know, beating some teams that weren't very good. You know, Washington, the Giants, they beat the Packers. in the game that Rogers had COVID and had to sit with Jordan Love. They beat the Raiders twice by, you know, 100 and nothing.

They beat the Cowboys, and the Cowboys weren't right offensively. This was early when Dak came back. They lost the Bengals three weeks ago or two and a half weeks ago. They needed a long fumble return to beat Denver in the season finale. Okay, Denver had them dead to right. They're driving up 24 to 21 in that game, and they fumble it and the Chiefs returned it for a touchdown. And they got lucky to beat the Chargers in that great Thursday night game. Basically, they've beaten here over the last month, you know, the Steelers twice and the Broncos where they

needed a fumble return. I just don't know if I'm totally bought in on Kansas City. It's not – I know what Kansas City's done in recent years, and last year I would have – although I did play Cleveland in that playoff game last year. But, you know, Mahomes got hurt, remember. I think Buffalo can beat them. I think anybody can beat them. And it wouldn't surprise me if they're there either.

I think that there's no team that would surprise me. But by the way, the line reeks in that game a little bit. The public is actually split in this game. But the fact that the chiefs are less than three at home at Arrowhead, I mean, when's the last time they were less than six? seven at home against anybody, pretty much. You know, that tells you that, you know, Vegas views this game as a complete and utter toss-up with the bills.

Anyway, I don't know. I think... It's going to be fun. Here, let me take this... Let me take it to this next step. I'm going to give you the best teams in order of the eight right now. I think Green Bay is the best team. I think they're the best team with the best team.

best quarterback receiver combo that there is, and they are in sync right now. I think Tampa's the second best team. And then I think you get to Kansas City. And I'll put Kansas City by a slight edge maybe over Buffalo, but not by much. And then it's like Tennessee, Cincinnati, and then it's San Francisco the Rams. But I still think right now at the point, Green Bay and Tampa Bay are the two best teams. I mean, Tampa's got a quarterback who's like 50. It does. Yeah. And did you see the clinic they put on?

Yeah, yeah, well, I know that, but he is nearly 50. I think Tampa's awesome. I love, this year's been a, even though I haven't watched as much, but you've mentioned

watching line for it. Gosh, what through the middle of the year is, it was like of the biggest toss-up of all time. There was so much parody this year. Yeah, there wasn't. And I think the other fun thing about it is is there's so many good young quarterbacks that we haven't seen.

We haven't seen this many good young quarterbacks in a long time. Not like this. Burrow, Rogers, Mahomes, Alan, Brady, and Stafford. I mean, you know, and then there's Tanna Hill and Garoppolo. But...

But even as you now go through the league, there's a lot of guys that I think are going to be good over their career. Yeah. They're young that are in their first four seasons. Who? Well, Herbert would be the one that's not in the postseason right now. Herbert would be one. I still like Kyler Murray.

I think there's a lot to that kid. I think he really struggled, and he kind of got down, especially when he got sacked and threw it out of them. They had the pick six coming in. I think that got him down a ton. I mean, some of it's hard to say because he's had such great weapons. Mac Jones is going to be an excellent quarterback. I truly believe that.

Not Daniel Jones anymore. You're guys out on that. What about Baker Mayfield? You don't believe in him, do you? No, I don't love Baker Mayfield. I think I'll play another year in Cleveland now. I think we'll get one more shot in Cleveland. The guys that I think we would all agree without much debate

that are considered franchise quarterbacks that aren't playing right now, okay, are Lamar Jackson, and they were the most injured team in the league this year and did make the playoffs. We're not, we'll exclude Deshawn Watson from this conversation for right now. Justin Herbert, okay, those two guys in the AFC are the two guys that didn't even make the postseason, but you would consider them to be franchise quarterbacks. Dak Prescott, I guess you would consider to be a franchise quarterback. He's not playing right now. And then Kyler Murray and Russell Wilson.

You know, those would be the others that you would say are definite, you know, if you believe Kyler Murray is a franchise quarterback. And I'm not going to give up that. But, you know, you made a really good point. And that is that this season never had a dominant team. And really the one team that at one point, were all asking questions about the team, but they were nine and one or eight and one were the Cardinals. You know, they had the best record in the league there, you know, at the midway point,

and we were, you know, no one really believed in them. And as it turns out, there was reason not to completely believe in them. But they also probably would be playing still or would have had a better record had they not had the injuries specifically to DeAndre Hopkins. He made a massive difference not being a part of their late season run. That's a big miss, not having Hopkins. It's a huge one. Yeah. It's a huge one.

It'll be fun. The next few years are going to be fun. I think there's a lot of good players. I think disgusting. I mean, the young guys in this weekend. It's awesome. All right. Let's turn this conversation in our last segment to Washington and their pursuit of a

quarterback. We will do that right after. words from a few of our sponsors. This segment of the show, presented by MyBooky, go to MyBooky.com or MyBooky. com or MyBooky.ag. Use my promo code, Kevin, D.C. And for this playoff weekend and beyond, they're going to match your initial deposit, dollar for dollar, all the way up to $1,000.

You'll be able to have additional money, free money, to gamble with this weekend and beyond through the rest of the NFL playoffs. Again, mybooky.com, mybooky.ag, use my promo code, Kevin D.C. All right, so I kind of feel like, unless you tell me that I don't need to do this, I kind of feel like I need to catch you up to speed on Washington football team related matters. Do I need to or not? I watch enough, I Google enough, WFT, which is going to change. It's going to change.

Two weeks from today. today actually. Two weeks from today is two, two, 22. Were they just waiting to produce all the merchandise so they can just have this massive sale of jerseys and shirts and hats and everyone's so excited about it? Yeah, I mean, there was the wait for. There was that. There was really crossing every, you know, T and dotting every eye on making sure that they don't pick a name that, you know, three hours after they unveil it, somebody says. Yeah. Well, I mean, it takes, it takes. It takes. It takes. a while. I mean, it does take a while, especially when you're this franchise where you

cannot fuck it up. I mean, you've got to be tight on everything. You can't have somebody, you know, when you unveil the name, say, well, you know, in 1773, this was, you know, an insensitive word used to describe these people in

Australia. You can't have any of that with this organization. So there's a lot of belief that it's the command. I, Cooley, I don't give a shit. I barely even talk about it on the show, on this show or the radio show. In fact, I had to be reminded by one of my boys last night that we were two weeks away from the name unveiling. And the only reason that was brought to my attention was because this legal guy, Damon, whatever his name is, to the organization, left to go to the Dodgers yesterday. And he was part of the last making the brand video with Jason Wright, where they said it's not going to be the

Red Wolves or the Wolves because of trademark issues. So now he's out of the organization. Whatever. You know why I don't like commanders? Why? Because it's three syllables and I can't shorten it. That's a good reason not to like it. Yeah, what's the nickname? You know, it's skins, gnats, caps, zards.

Where is, you know, what is it? There's no shortening of it. The Admirals. No. What are you going to call them, the ad? No. I mean, I purposely named my kids with short names, so I didn't have to have nicknames for them. Well, you have one, one single name.

Sloan's answer. How'd you shorten that one? You can't. Bodes for Bodie. Yeah, I, you did that, the four-letter word with two syllables. Yes, it is two syllables. So, okay, you've been kind of following it. Look, here's the number one priority for the Washington football team in this offseason

is to find a quarterback, to find the franchise quarterback. The long 30-whatever-year pursuit continues. Ron Rivera has said priority number one. You know, he has said coolly, well, we've got four ways to look at it. We can go through the draft. We can go through free agency. we can go through trade, and we also have to evaluate the guys on our own roster. Well, that's not a path.

Taylor Heineke, Kyle Allen are not going to be your starting quarterbacks next year. Now, if they draft a rookie and that's the only move they make, it's possible that Taylor Heineke could start games. But let me just throw this out to you before I let you, you know, and I'm going to ask you about specific guys. But I was thinking about this morning and last night, I think that Aaron Rogers, Russell, Wilson, Deshawn Watson are off the table. I want them to go big or go home like they did last year trying to get Stafford.

But I just don't think that those are realistic possibilities. I also don't think Derek Carr is going to be traded by Vegas. I don't know why you would trade Derek Carr. You don't have anything that's obviously better there. So I think ultimately what's going to happen is they're going to sign one of those second or third tier free agents, veteran free agents like Mitch Trubisky, who for whatever reason they like. And they're going to draft somebody at 11 in the draft. Kuiper came out with his latest mock draft this morning.

He's got Washington taking Malik Willis. And Dane Brugler came out with his on the athletic and has Washington taking Kenny Pickett from Pitt. But I did come to the following conclusion. Like if they were to sign Tribisky and they were to draft picket, let's just say. Well, for you Taylor Heineke people out there, I don't think he'd be on the roster next year. They're not going to keep three, I don't think.

you know, and Taylor Heineke's going to play football in the NFL. He has earned the right to be a backup. I mean, I think there would be a lot of teams that would bring him to camp on a one-year deal, and he'd probably make the team somewhere as a backup. But if you go the veteran-free agency route and you draft somebody, there's a chance Taylor Heineke's not back. But anyway, give me your thoughts on this pursuit, off-season pursuit of a franchise quarterback.

I think they're going to push hard to get a DeShon Watson type of situation this year. For me, that'd be the push. Right. I agree. As long as I'm going to be successful. Because you look at rock, you can't lose again if you're wrong.

Because I'm sitting here. If I'm the owner, one, I'm saying we got a lot of talent on offense. We got a lot of dudes that can make plays. better young. We should be great on defense. We could add a part here, there, but we should be so much better on defense. Look what you've been provided with on defense. How is the defense what it is? And so to have another losing season, which, by the way, someone sent me a message,

I think it's right. Rivera had 11 seasons as a head coach, eight of them losing seasons. Nobody's ever done that in their first 11 seasons. But again, a third losing season in Washington with a team, if I'm the owner that I'm thinking, this is a good team. You can't lose again? You think it's a good team? I think it's a talented team. Do you disagree that there's more talent than there was six years ago when we discussed some of the Shanahan teams or some of the Jay Gruden teams? I mean, this time last year, we were, you know, we were gushing over the defensive talent.

and your two stars that you thought were, the guy that ends up being your star is John Allen. We knew he was good, and I wanted him re-signed, even though some people were like, you need that money for young and sweat and pain. But, you know, young and sweat were, you know, yeah, they missed because of injury, but before the injuries, they were not very good at all.

So there's some sudden questions. There was a lot of innuendo in that defense as well, and in the conversation throughout the year, as to who's doing what job. Yeah. Yeah, there was a constant, you know, droning on about maturity and discipline and, you know, playing the scheme and doing your job. And then all of a sudden we stopped hearing that

when Chase Young and Montez-Swett went out of the lineup. But anyway, do I think they're really talented? No, I don't think they're really talented. I think Dallas has more talent. I think you could make the case that Philly's almost as talented. I'm just talking about in the division, and the division stinks. You know, the division hasn't, you know,

they just don't play in this round or further in the playoffs anymore. The rest of the NFC is much better. But whatever. So your point about Ron, I don't agree with. I think Ron will not get fired. I think it's possible. You think if Ron has a losing season next year that he's done, that Dan will fire him or Tonya will fire him?

I think that there's some pressure. like are you going to really turn this around because you had more pieces than either the previous two head coaches have you had more pieces. There's no three-year rebuild in the NFL. Excuse me. There's no four-year rebuild in the NFL. There isn't. And could you have sweetened the pot for a guy like Stafford? Maybe.

I don't know. They offered draft pick. Did they offer Chase Young? Did they offer Bontes-Wet? Did they offer pain? Did they offer enough pieces? to make that pot sweet enough? They didn't offer Jared Goff and two first rounders.

You know, and Goff having familiarity with the Lions general manager because he was with the Rams when they selected him. So, yeah, no, I mean, they weren't close to the Rams offer, but it was a first and a third that they offered. You know, I remember this time last year people telling me, oh, you don't have to give up a first for Stafford. Okay. Yeah, we disagreed immediately on that.

But I guess my point is, this was the organization staff top the bottom that didn't offer enough for a guy that was a legitimate starting quarterback that would have made a difference in winning football games. Right. They had an opportunity to do that, and they came up short. Now, would Detroit have accepted it, you're not going to know. Yeah. But they need a guy that can win football games for them. They have to have that. And so I think Deshawn Watson would be the first guy that you're looking at.

I think you're going to go through and see, like, I don't think Carr will be traded. I'm with you. That's insanity if Oakland were to trade Carr. I don't think Baker Mayfield will be moved, and I'm not saying I love Baker, but he's a guy that can plug and play right now. I don't know what San Francisco will do with Jimmy Garapola. Well, what do you think they'll do? If they get, if Jimmy takes him to the Super Bowl,

I know. It's not like Steve Young sitting behind him right now. Well, that would be quite the interesting. thing if let's just say they win this weekend at Lambo and they're in the NFC title game. And he plays well, you know, at Lambo, because you could make the case that he played okay, but he also was the single biggest reason they had a chance to lose that game with that overthrow by 17 feet of the wide open receiver. But if they win this weekend and he plays well, I mean, that's a dilemma.

Tray Lance, who you trade it up to select, or the guy that was your quarterback in a Super Bowl game and a game that you nearly won, and a guy that just played well enough to help you get back to an NFC title game. Let me just say this. If they were to move on from Jimmy G, and you're Washington,

and you have to give up a second and a fourth, or a second and a third, and by the way, he's only got one year left on his deal, so you've got to pay him to, Would he interest you? Yeah. The best available is going to interest me. Okay, so he'd interest you because he's much better than what they have.

But would he interest you in terms of you think you would have solved the problem at quarterback? Yeah. It is much that I see a guy that has been deep in the playoffs now twice. Yeah. It would be interesting to me. More than a rookie. Do I want to go get a, do I want to go draft somebody and play the unknown with the rookie game? Can he play this year?

Can he not? And if he can't, then I'm going to put in Mitchell Chibisky, who stinks? No, I'm not going to play Trubisky rookie. That's scenario four for me. Well, it's scenario 11 for me. I don't want that. I'm just telling you what I think they're going to have to settle for. I don't think what.

Let me just stop you. First of all, in Watson, do you think this organization really can trade for Deshawn Watson, a guy that's got 22 civil lawsuits, some criminal stuff, all dealing with sexual misconduct, sexual harassment, sexual assault, and in this organization, there's one organization in the league that's been the center of this. If he's going to be cleared of it, yeah, I think they can because he'll win five football games and everyone will say, yeah, yeah, maybe, maybe he did. I'm kind of with you, but I don't know if the organization. I'm not condoning this by any means.

If you think I'm condoning this, it's not. Oh, nobody thinks you're condoning it. That's not it. Yeah, no, nobody's going to think that, only, you know, highly sensitive people. It's going to become a talent trumps more. conversation. And right now, if your job is depending on it, unless one of the owners comes down and says this organization can't handle it, we can't do this, if my job is depending on it in a talent trumps morals, and everyone I hired depending on it, it's a conversation

that I'm having, no doubt. Now, I want to know. Yeah, what do you want to know? What do you want to know? I want to know that he's playing, for sure. One, I want to know that he's clear. Like, he's, he's, he's a lot. Don't you all I also want to know that he's been rehabbed a little bit so that he isn't, you know, constantly after practice and Ashburn looking for the closest happy ending joint. Don't you want to know that? Yeah, we've got to write into that contract. They're like, no massages. We'll provide your masseuse in the building for you.

Yeah. And his name is John. It's Steve. Yeah. He's got strong hands, great elbows. He's got phenomenal elbows. He really gets his weight into his elbows. In fact, he will only be using his elbows.

By the way, I don't think it's a talent versus morals conversation. This is, you know, let's have a big boy adult conversation, people. This is a, this is a talent and a production versus PR risk conversation. Like, what is your fan base going to say, are you going to sell more tickets, or are you going to chase away more people, brass tacks? I think the answer is you're going to sell more tickets and you're going to get people super excited. And by the way, the other part of this offseason conversation is the Dan Snyder, he's really good March conversation tied with the launching and unveiling of a new name and a new brand.

He's going to want to make a splash. You're not asking me what they should do and what kind of splash. I'm proposing to you if I'm sitting there, if you and I are sitting there in a room, I'm not concerned about selling tickets in jerseys until I win football games. Yeah, no, I hear you. And if I'm a coach or a GM, I don't give two craps how many tickets we sell this year. I got to win. So can I overcome the morality problem?

Or could we at least turn that argument enough that made the, is there doubt? And then the talent overcomes it, and then the doubt becomes bigger. Yeah, the way you said it's much better. You've got to be clear to all. The way you said it's much better. It's about winning. You have me personally how I weigh this out. It's about winning and that should be the conversation that they're having as well.

I just, for this organization, given what they've gone through the last two years, nearly two years, year and a half, man, you would take a massive PR hit if you traded for Deshawn Watson. But I don't really know what that means. Like, my point to Tommy. last week was how much lower can you go as an organization? Exactly. Like, okay, so every single outlet, you know, spends hours for a week and a half criticizing us, but that's what they've been doing anyway for the last 20, 22 years. Yeah.

Here's the other issue, though. Watson's got a no trade clause. So if he gets cleared and everything's fine and he's been rehabbed, He's already made it clear that there's only a couple of places he wants to go. He's not going to want to come here. And the Rogers and Wilson thing, that's my point, is I don't think any of those things are going to happen. I'm not saying they shouldn't try to make them happen. He's going to want to make money.

And let's say that there's eight other teams that are weighing the talent morality situation. Four of them decide that the talent doesn't trump the morality, and the other four are on his trade list. And he doesn't want to be in Houston. maybe his list changes a little bit. Yeah, I don't know. I can see him. I mean, obviously, I understand there are places he wants to go.

But that doesn't mean that those teams want him or are willing to give up whatever it takes to get him. You would, I know you're a Derek Carr fan. So if he were available for whatever reason, you would be all in on him. You believe that he's a franchise quarterback, don't you? he's absolutely a franchise quarterback he's one of the top

15 quarterbacks in the league okay so top half of the league right where would you put him in the top 15 top of top of I think he's the funny thing about Carr is he goes from like 10-11 to 20

the next week right he's either great he's either an A or a B plus yeah okay it's an interesting thing with Carb

there are games that he plays where he's elite. There are games that he plays that he's not that guy. But I think Carr has guts. I think he can make throws. I think he can make plays. I think he's a smart quarterback. So I like Carr.

And we're also proposing this what's best out there situation. If it's not Watson and that can't work, Carr's probably the next best option. I take Carr over Garapolo. I don't think Russell Wilson will be available. Would you take Carr over Cousins? He's not coming here. But essentially, I think they're in the same,

I like Cousins more than Carr, but I think they're basically in the same realm. They're somewhere between, you know, 11 and 15. You know, one week they're 11, and the next week they're 15 or 16 or 17. but he you know they're not he's not coming back here look I think the net of it for me is this I want him to swing big I want him to aim super high you know if Aaron Rogers is legitimately on the market go for it offer them four first rounders chase young and whatever you need and by the

way tell them to bring Devante Adams with him and then all the sudden you've got you've got a level you've got a level of excitement that you haven't had here, you know, since the RG3 season. Russell Wilson, go for it. Deshawn Watson, go for it. Derek Carr, go for it. Even though that, to me, is the next, you know, that's the beginning of the next tier down. Car is not at that level, in my opinion. Not even close. Probably a first rounder. I think you'll have to give up a first rounder for Carr, no doubt. Well, the first plus. Yeah. It just might not be a first in Montess. swear. And then you've got to pay him, too, because he's only got one year left on his deal. So, but I don't think any of those things are possible. I think Rogers is staying in Green Bay.

I think Wilson's staying in Seattle. I think Watson will end up somewhere where, you know, he, I just, I don't think Watson's coming here. By the way, you know, you were right about Davis Mills, certainly after his rookie year. He was awesome for them, really looked apart, probably was the best rookie performer of any of the quarterbacks this year. I don't think Derek Carr is going to Vegas. I don't know why they would trade him. They don't have anything there behind him. Well, maybe Davis Mills becomes a guy that you're interested in if Watson ends up staying in Houston.

Well, if you're Houston, you've got him on a rookie deal. Like, you're not going to get rid of him. He's going to be your backup, worst case. And he's going to be your insurance policy in the event that, you know. Oh, come on. Deshawn Watson's not going to sit there and let Davis Mills stay on that roster. He's not going to let what? If he's going to stay, if he were to stay in Houston, he's going to say, this guy that had a great year, I don't want him here. Oh, you think Deshawn Watson's going to have that kind of power?

He's going to be lucky to play next year. The point of him leaving Houston is he doesn't have that kind of power. He wants it. Yeah, well, he should have thought of that before, you know, assaulting 22 women minimum. Because he's got no power now. He has a no trade clause, but, you know, we don't even know if he's going to be eligible to play next year.

So many questions. But to me, ultimately, you're going to be dipping into the James Winston, Teddy Bridgewater, Mitch Trubisky, Marcus Marriota, who am I forgetting from the Tyrod Taylor's of the world and free agency? Okay? Because you're not, there's nobody to trade for it unless you're going to trade for Jimmy G. If he ends up becoming, you know, available and you're going to trade for Jimmy G. because, again, I'm saying that the others aren't actually available. And then if you sign one of those people or you trade for Jimmy G, you're probably going to draft somebody too.

Because none of those people are the obvious answer. If Jimmy G goes, if Jimmy G goes two games or another game where he's pretty good, your second and third is not going to do it. they won a first. Well, maybe you trade for Trey Lance. And you know what? They're going to get a first. Because you just ran through every scenario of who's out there.

And there's about nine other teams doing this. Right. So they are going to get a first. Plus, for Jimmy G. God, like, in so many ways. And I'm going to give it. I'm going to give them number 11. What did the 49ers give the Pats that?

that year before the trade deadline. A two and a five? Something like that. It was a two, though, right? That was the thing. Yeah, they gave it two. And I have to tell you that in some ways, and what was that? Four years ago?

Four years ago, probably. In many ways, Garapolo was more enticing than he is now. There was a lot more unknown. A lot of sizzling. And the idea that Bill Belichick wanted to play him over, Tom Brady right was the most

enticing aspect of it or believe that Tom was done wouldn't it be amazing if Belichick the entire time was like these dummies

that's never going to put him in I just wanted to get a two for a guy I didn't want yeah well I mean I think that

Jimmy Garapolo I think Jimmy Garo the net of it on Garapolo from me is this I think he's a lot better than most people think he is

at the same time he's certainly not like an absolute top half of the league starting quarterback lock for the next five years. And if he could, whatever team he goes to, think about the situation he's in with Kyle Shanahan, with the way they run the football, with George Kittle, with Debo Samuel, by the way, with Elijah Mitchell, who is just another in the long line of Shanahan running backs. It's just amazing. Brandon Ayuk.

Brandon Ayuk. A really, really good defensive football team. Like, if he gets traded here, he doesn't have that. I mean, you're not running the football the way Kyle Shanahan runs. He does some of it. I mean, he's got Antonio Gibson who's a good back. Terry McClure is an excellent receiver. Humphreys is a good player.

I think there's some guys on this roster that are good receivers. He's not playing. I mean, maybe Garoppolo made George Kittle. Oh, come on. I'm just kidding, me. By the way, I think I asked you this in a previous podcast. Kittle or Kelsey right now? Kittal.

Yeah, definitely, right? Well, definitely is it's closer than that. Kelsey's pretty awesome. Kelsey's got some stuff to him that not a lot of guys have. Obviously, so does Kittles. Kittles is just a much better blocker. And it's really comparable.

Kittles also better run after the catch, in my opinion. Oh, my God. The 49ers, the physical, runners. Kiddle, Samuel, Mitchell, the yards after contact, the urgency, the physicality that they all run with is so impressive to me. So impressive. Yeah, they're fun. All right. What else? This was so much fun.

We could do this for hours. What haven't I asked you about? Or who haven't I asked you about? I don't know. I just was trying to keep a list of who I want. I don't know. Whatever. I'll ask you. Whatever.

I got a snowstorm still going on here. I'm going to have to go shovel some snow. Go do that. You know what? If you're available next week after these four games and before the championship games, let's do it again. People love it when you're on. I think we, oh, well, you and I like it. And I really enjoy talking to you.

This is the only time I know you're going to answer the phone. That's bullshit. When I do something for you. You just lied. You just lied about that because you're... I didn't lie. You have an answer one of my calls for the last... Up until yesterday when you called me back, you...

By the way, you can't leave a voicemail. You haven't responded to any of my texts over the last week and a half. So don't give me that bullshit. You've been very unresponsive. I'm not good either. Okay. You call me. I don't answer.

You never answer. You don't call you. You don't have voicemail. You don't answer. You have no voicemail. And by the way, half the time I call it, I understand. Nobody, that's fine. Half the time I call, it just goes to like nothing.

You've always got phone issues. So this is, this is, I can call back that I'm not making that excuse per se. You didn't go through this the same way I have. We are now, we had to change our pass codes on our phone because my son will find them and then it'll go hide with the phone and play games. But the amount of text I've missed over, especially the Christmas holiday, where my daughter was also home, and I've been working. It was like, hang out, fine, you have the phone. It'll be a week later. I'll go through my phone and be like, shoot, Dusty text me,

and I have no response, but I never saw it as a text. He opens it, swipes it off, and then I never see it. It's so bad. Yeah, well, that's, you know. I understand that you know me very well, but there are a lot of people here that they get no response back for me and that don't know me. And just think you're a loose. Yeah. Gosh, this guy does not care.

But at this point, I would respond. Um, okay. And I just can't respond if I don't see the message. And when the phone call happens, we made him, he'll now bring me the phone, but a lot of the, the phone goes immediately to voicemail. He just declined so he can keep playing his game. Well, that's probably what's going on. Why don't you just get him his own phone?

I know he's really young. But, you know. No. Well, just... We have a Nintendo Switch and an iPad and an Xbox. He's got on a day where, like today where there's not a lot to do out of that. He'll go from one device to the other. But then I kind of like break it up, go to throw baseballs or do something.

so he's not just a gamer. That's funny. All right. I can't think he's too blah. Let me get this podcast out. People are going to want to listen to it, and then we will reconvene next week. Go shovel some snow.

I'm back tomorrow with Tommy. Thank you. See you.