The Kevin Sheehan Show - Cooley & Kevin

Episode Date: August 26, 2022

A Cooley & Kevin show for the first time in a while. Cooley with a life update which includes his budding career as a GC, his discovery of bear spray, and plenty on the Commanders' first two preseason games. Specifically, his thoughts on Carson Wentz so far, Kam Curl, Antonio Gibson, Brian Robinson Jr, and Jamin Davis.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it. You don't need it. But you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Cheehan Show. He is Kevin. Uh, Coolly is here with us today on this Friday, August 26th. When I say with us, he's phoning in. Uh, he is out in Wyoming.

And man, it has been a while since you've been on the podcast. And people, as you know, as I've told you many times, they beg for you. I just wanted to just tell everybody that right before we started, I just pulled up Cooley's Twitter account for the first time in a while. The last time you tweeted was February 22nd of 2021. So a year and a half ago, and you retweeted the podcast tweet, and you said, today was probably my favorite show this year. Not exactly sure why, but it was fun, Kev.

That was the last time you tweeted What's going on? We talk. We talk all the time. Because I haven't tweeted doesn't mean we haven't... I mean, I know that how you keep up with all your friends is Twitter and you're very active on it. Oh yeah, so active.

So active. It's just kind of funny because basically when you checked out, you from social media, you checked out from social media. Good for you, by the way. And there's no reason for you to be on social media. You're not an attention whore like so many people are. But I just thought it was funny that it's been a year and a half since you've actually tweeted anything.

And it was about this show. Tell everybody how you're doing. You never remember, I'm doing great. But you're into something, and so I just wanted to talk about it. I never really I actually had a lot of Twitter followers I never really got that into it I didn't check out for any reason

other than I just don't give it I just don't give a crap so when we started our radio show and I started doing that stuff everyone told me I had to you have to be a little bit more active to help the show and so that's why I did that

well you that was what that was I mean, I don't know who I need to tell my life story to, besides you on your podcast. You were active, you were active on social media when it first really came about and you were playing. I mean, we know about, you know, a couple of pictures that were sent out on blogs. What did you say? No, that wasn't Twitter. What was it?

Myspace, Facebook? No, it was a blog. Oh, yeah, you had a blog with your brother, right? I didn't really read it. Right. Sorry, but I didn't. I don't really care at all. When, and that was, but that was, you were blogging as a player before blogging became super popular.

I think I was the first one to do it. My brother wanted to do it with me. And he said, we should do a blog together. And I said, what the hell is a blog? I still don't. I don't think I've looked at anybody else's blog ever. Anybody ever. I don't think I've read a blog.

You know, the website's still up for the blog. It's Chris Cooley-47.blogspot.com. It's part of the Coollyzone.com. So you had your own website. Was this, this was something you had very little to do with? I'm assuming, but it looks like you were, I don't even know it the last time. There's a bunch of Carolina Panthers. There's an Anthony Spencer reference here.

You're ranking different things. Do you even know what I'm talking about? I recall doing a lot of things. I don't know what things we did. I don't, dude, I don't look at that in 10 years. Well, it's still there. Well, I understand that. There's a picture of the Kooley Gallery right there in Leesburg.

I'm more interested in how I get into the NFL network all 22 on this computer, which I can't do. I gave you my email and password. I already gave you my email and password for it. I just say it. No, I'm not going to say it because then people will be logging in. Well, I'm into my profile. I can edit the profile. I can change the password.

I can manage my favorite team and manage my subscriptions, but I don't know how to go, I don't know how to go to NFL.com. What do you mean you don't? I don't understand. What do you mean you don't have? Oh, I got it. I got it.

I just clicked buttons and it went in. Oh, my God. Jesus. I gave this to you a week ago. I gave this to you a week ago. It's sometimes interesting to navigate, in my opinion. Well, I think that the All-22, the changes that they made to it last year

made it much more difficult to use. It used to be a hell of a lot easier. And they made changes to it last year. We talked about this, I think, on one of the podcasts last year. The changes were not user-friendly. And they do have a lot of issues with the All-22. I actually thought about reaching out to them to say, you know, the All-22, first of all, isn't there as early as it was in previous years.

and then it's a little harder to navigate, you know, I'm looking for a discount. I think they're, I would have to get you a part of what I'm tired of using navigate it's because they're tired of people pirity and everything. Put it on Twitter for you to look at. A lot of people do that. That's true. A lot of people have become film breakdown people. You know, people who didn't even play the game.

They're really good at it. Some of them are good on it. I know. Yeah. Cool. It's exciting. I don't even know how to get into the L-22, but that's okay. We're okay here.

I saved a couple of Apple podcast reviews to read to you. So I'm going to read a couple of them to you. Don't forget you can rate us and review us on Apple and Spotify. Give us five stars. That's always a big help. And give us a one-to-two-two-sentence review. That's always helpful. But this was from WMJ4.

Been listening to Kevin since the Cooley and Kevin days. Nobody is sharper, and then in parentheses, sharper than these two, and more articulate than Cooley when it comes to Washington sports, especially football. We love the way they go through it with scalpel-like analysis. Yeah, remember the sharps you thought it was. Actually, you didn't think it was, but many of our listeners thought it was the sharks when we referred to the sharps.

Here's something. The negativity, this is one of those reviews that isn't that favorable from I Want to Be DJ. The negativity is just too much for me. I'm sorry about that. I'm hitting the unfollow button. I became a fan of the podcast because of Cooley and found out. that both Kevin and Cooley made for a fun and informative show. But since Cooley's moved on to the underground,

it's not the A-plus it once was. And they gave us fewer than five stars. Yeah, I can... I'm not in the underground. I'm way higher than you right now. Yeah, you are. You're much higher. But people think you have gone sort of underground

because you've been MIA for... You've been MIA on this show since the draft. I'm not MIA. your world. I don't live in your world. I'm not missing an action. I know you're not right here on this podcast. You're doing my thing. Oh, here's another one from Marcus 13. Not going to lie. I wasn't sure when Cooley moved back under the earth that I would still listen to a Sheehan solo show. I was wrong. I still miss Cooley with Kevin's an excellent listen yada yada yada. That was very nice and five stars from Marcus 13. People underground and then under the earth. Well, might have been maybe that reference was

to when I was doing your show with you in the 1952 radio studio in Powell, in Powell, Wyoming, and it did sound like I was under the earth sometimes when we hit the computer connection. Well, those people were nice. So maybe. That they let you come in and do the show from there. Real quickly, though, on the last tweet, on the last tweet you sent out, where you were retweeting a podcast that we did together, the podcast,

description said Kevin and Cooley talk about a wide variety of topics, including Brandon Sheriff, Mark Turgeon, Deshawn Watson. This was long before the Deshaun Watson disaster. And Cooley's Aunt Cindy and more. I don't remember what the conversation was about Cindy. Do you? I'm sure it was nine. No, I don't remember. C.T.E. C.T. You don't have CTE. and hopefully on Cindy doesn't have it either. Hopefully she's doing well.

So tell everybody what you've been up to. I don't know. I just sit around on the back deck and drink beers. Look out of the sky. Seriously. I'm talking to my thumbs a little bit. Seriously. Tell everybody.

You know what I've been up to. I mean, anybody that knows, anybody that's got an eight-year-old and a five-year-old well, my daughter's almost eight. My son just turned five. That's what I'm up to. I do that. I take my son golfing yesterday. He just turned five.

He played 18 holes with me. He asked me if he's going to, if he wins on every hole. But I gave him par as plus four to every hole. And I drive him all the way to where the fairway starts for his T-block. Can he hit it? I don't think he had more than 12 on any hole. Can he hit it? He hits it.

He'll hit it. hit it 100 yards. Have you given him a lesson? I bought him. No, he just does it. He's actually good. But I bought him new clubs for his birthday last weekend.

And he, I let him hit balls in our front yard. We did that in Virginia all the time too with him. And I threw the clubs in to go golfing. I said, do you have your stuff? And you shouldn't ask a five-year-old bat because the answer, you know the answer. They never have it. Right.

But I wanted to remember. member, so we got to the golf course, and we got to the first hole, and his driver is laying in the front yard. We're not going back home for that. You use three what you got. I kind of think that's your fault. I kind of would have, I kind of would have liked to have seen on the course if he had that little driver.

But shoot, he was hitting a nine iron over sand traps and making some pretty good shots. It's a fun deal. It's a hard deal, though, because it's not. It's fun. And he was actually really good. And the second, we played with some friends, and everyone's obviously impressed because he can hit the ball. He's got good hand-eye.

But you're managing someone the entire time. So I'm looking forward to that day where my son and I go play golf. Yeah. And he gets out, and he gets his club out of his bag, and then he gets to his ball. And then he hits his ball, and then puts his club back in the bag. not throw it on the ground and try to get in the car. Right.

Whoops. Where do you think these clubs are going? Halfway through the round, I just, I didn't use the bag anymore. They were laying on the floor of the cart. It was just easier to manage. Sure it was. But the fact that he didn't have his driver is on you. He was fine.

He just the three would just like me, man. Or most people. Your three was about 10% short of your driver. driver. It's fine. I would like to see what it is ever because he was this point.

So I did that. I think I've talked to you on the podcast since I coached my little girl softball team, which is a blast. Right. Sloan. Yeah,

we talked about so I coach softball. And I'm not coaching football this year because we're building another house in a shop. So I'm, you don't like this because you like,

oh, stupid stories, I won't get too deep into it. I've been, I'm digging my concrete pad next week. I have to dig the footers for a frost wall. For a what wall? For a what wall? It's called a frost wall.

F-R-O-S-T? I think so. Okay. I actually haven't looked up. I don't know how else you would spell it. Right. But where we're putting in our house, it's filthy enough that you need to go down four-foot with concrete by two-foot.

And you're doing this all by yourself? No, I have, I've hired people that are helping me. Right. And you've been doing a lot of this for people that have been asking me, you know, about what you're doing. I said, he does a lot of building of houses. And, you know, Maddie's got her real estate license, right? Yeah, my wife's doing real estate. Yep.

And I'm doing this house, and I'm not, this is crazy. everyone said you're going to need to do something when you're done. And I am not needing to do anything, but I'm getting to this point where I'm, I've already built a shop with a big garage, sorry, let me use your terminology. Because I don't know anyone else in the world that calls it a shop. You said people in Wyoming. But I mean, use normal technology. A big garage with house. It's a big garage, small of house, which is on.

which is uncommon, but you do a lot of work in your shops and stuff here, and you have a lot of vehicles, whatever. So I've done one last year, and it really turned out really well. Very good. And I'm doing the next one, and we're, because you've got to move all this dirt to level it out and all this. And I'm getting at one when I'm like, why am I not the one doing all of this?

One, I'm good at it. I know what I'm doing. I can hire people. Like, why am I not just G-Ting houses? So I have a new goal Okay But I have to build this house first Like we're ready to start our new house

And be in the spot we want to be And so we're ready for that Our whole family is ready for that We're in a log cabin right now I want to kind of run a company And then I want a Yeti cooler in the back For ice cold beverages in the back of my truck And then I just want to go from place to place

and check on people. And maybe stop by the river and fish a little bit on the way to meet, you know, Joe and the D.C. And then we'll fall it over to meet Tommy's crew in Thermopolis. Yeah. And then you could backtrack that way in over, you know, towards Grable and through Basin, and I will want one more job going on the Grable or Basin. And by the end of the day, I'm going to consume like eight frosty beverages,

probably, you know, non-alcoholic beers is what I usually drink. Right, sure it is. And then I'll just drive around in my truck and I'll get like another friend who's kind of the manager or the partner with me. And we'll just, you know, just drive around Wyoming and get out and fish a little and watch people do work. I really think this is going to, I think I'm really actually thinking about doing this. Well, I mean, so essentially you want to go find people who want to build houses. or do renovations, and you'll just, gee, see it. You've got a crew.

I mean, you've already developed kind of a crew. I'm going to have to build a crew, but I'm going to be a great crew builder because I'm going to use the Joe Gibbs formula for building the team, and I'm going to make everybody feel important, and we're going to have our own little team here, and I'm going to be the Dan Snyder,

who just helicopters in to make sure things are going. Except the helicopter is going to be a truck with a cooler in the back. Yeah. just a Yeti. Yeah, I like it. The craziest thing about all this stuff, like, we are doing our own house. It's insane.

I mean, you know what it's like there, and it's worse here because everyone wants to charge like three times as much. Right. Because of the COVID stuff, and then the lumber shortage and all the crap. You've been going through a house. Right. You've been dealing with people. It's insanity. And the difference is people here.

For the most part, and I love this about people here, just not for work in my house. They finish Friday at, like, noon. They finish most days at four, and every other week they have a hunting or fishing trip. It's like quadruple the amount of time to get something done. Well, it's a different pace. I talked to a dude. I talked to a dude about framing, helping on my framing project. And I said, we will be framing.

Absolutely no questions asked, framing the shot. by September 15th. And he said, ugh, yeah, I'm out most of October. I said, oh. He said, yeah,

we drew a permit in 221 for an elk. Like, so you're going to quit work for a month. It's a different. Yeah, that's obviously, you hear. Yeah, I know.

Well, that's not, that wouldn't fly, obviously, on either coast. But what's interesting to me as you're talking, is you've been telling me this, I think anybody that's followed a lot of, you know, real estate trends for places like Montana and Wyoming,

you've had a lot of people moving. Most of your listeners. You've had a lot of people moving from California into Wyoming. California, L.A. in particular, L.A. in San Francisco, cities that have not, that aren't the same anymore. And those people have to be more demanding with respect to time frame. I mean, I mean, you've got a lot of people. I mean, didn't you tell me that Jackson Hole basically, you know, is like, you can't even find anything.

And if you do find something, it basically starts at $15 million. You know, most people in Wyoming don't really consider Jackson Hole, Wyoming as far as the type of, and not to say Jackson's beautiful. It's an awesome town. And there's a ton of really cool people. women. But most people, that Jackson is its own environment. I mean, it really is like, are there other parts of the state? Northern Virginia compared to Virginia. Are there other parts of the state where you see an influx of people moving into the state? Or is it just those?

The entire state has an influx of people. It's wild. It's not the influx, but it's not the influx that everybody in the DMB area has encountered over the last 20 years. Right. Loudouny County built 14 high schools in the 17 or 18 years I was there Right I mean that's crazy

Was it that many high schools really? I'm pretty sure I was like 14 Yeah That's a lot Something like that It was at least 12 Yeah

I mean whatever anyone Could look it up It was whatever It was a lot Sorry if I'm wrong But I think I'm right But it was a lot So I don't

I don't know I mean it's just It's not But it's not changing here The way you would think it is What ends up happening is the people that are moving in are going, I guess they got to get used to Bill. Bill's crew and Matizi is just, they might come today.

I don't know. They might show up. Yeah. That's normal operating procedures. That is really amazing. Because of all of that stuff. And also, the other thing is, so people here work to have fun. they don't work to make money

as much as they work to make enough money to do the things they want to do and that's all the work they want to do and that is a huge common thing and I love that about I love that about here we can get out there you know

probably can get out there in the next three four weeks yeah why don't we put you down for today's August 26th why don't we put you down for mid-September I'll get an electrician out there mid-September to fix whatever you got going on by the way as you start to do this

Wait, you're talking about, that's funny. You think that's funny. I don't even know if you're there yet on your exaggeration. Yeah. I know that, you know, everybody that has lived, when you live on the East Coast, first of all, the pace, obviously, in the East Coast is completely different than it is even in big West Coast cities. But, of course, when we've spent time and everybody, you know, has spent time in different places where the pace is much slower, it can be infuriating.

but there's something also very pleasant about that. But let me just real quickly with respect to your budding career as a general contractor. First of all, you would be excellent at it. It's something you like to do. It's something you're good at doing. You know all of that stuff. You do all of that stuff. I mean, you're not g-seeing a job that you don't know specifically how it needs to get done.

but please, as I've suggested to you in the past, I still don't think you should be doing your own electrical work. I think when you Jesus... I wired the chicken coop that I built for Maddie two days ago. You're crazy doing that. You must be good at it. You haven't hurt yourself. You've gotten a shock here and there over the years.

Didn't you get a pretty good shock at your house in Virginia once trying to do the electrical on your own? I was in my early I was in my apprentice days your apprentice states well anyway all that said it's what's amazing is just how busy you are doing just this one thing

my own thing and I mean I just told you why I'm doing all of it right but one for time two for money right and I and I have the time so it's fine and I do know and what I don't know I promise you I'm like so I I'm subbing out what I don't know.

I'm going to pull all my wires through the shop, which I did in the last one. But all that means is I'm going to drill all the holes and run the wires to where they need to go. And then somebody else will hook up all of the boxes. Back to your kids. And they hook up a breaker box, all that stuff. Anyway, back to your kids for a second. Hold on. Back to your kids for a second. First of all, is Bodie still wrestling 10-year-olds as a five-year-old?

Well, wrestling doesn't start again until, like, January. Okay. But he will be. He's going to be wrestling people three, four, five years older than him. Well, not quite that. Okay. They have age groups. But his problem is this year he wrestles in the sixth and under.

And we just took Sloan to her first day of second grade. And they have, all the parents go outside in the playground, and everyone's there at the school. and they do this line before the classes before he go in the door. He's taller than all but two of the first graders in every kindergarten. He's not in school yet. So he's bigger than all his friends, he has four or five little buddies. He's a head taller than all. So when he's wrestling things, he doesn't have very many kids to wrestle because they don't,

I'm actually hoping he doesn't weigh over 59 pounds when we get to January because then he's being the heavyweight. They'll have like one kid every time we go somewhere. It'll be the same kid every time. I've got to get him cut and weight. Yeah. Well, I don't know if I've... He's not even a bit chubby.

I don't know if I've asked you this before. When will you, if he wants to play football, allow him to play football? I think we've talked about this quite a bit and how I feel about my kid and how I feel about other kids. I don't... If I would coach his Pop Warner team or I would try to. because I don't like the way a lot of Pop Warner kids are coached in general. And not just, now I'm not talking about, you got to teach him how to shit. I don't, I don't want my, I don't think my kid needs to be playing Pop Warner football in fourth grade running the power I.

This is stupid. It's not even football that people play anymore. So I don't care, I think any kid can play flag football until seventh, eighth grade. there is a junior high sports programmer. So you play in junior high. You play the other junior high schools around the area on the state. You travel. It's not just rec or super league or travel.

It's a school function. So right now it's seventh grade for tackle football in the school. He can do that then, and he can play football until he's got two concussions. And we're going to talk about not playing football ever. Is Sloan athletic or not? I mean, I know Bodie's athletic. We've talked about him before. What'd you say?

Yeah, she's very athletic. She's very athletic. She's not that into sport. Okay, well, what about golf? Because the last thing I want to ask you about Bodie and Sloan is you had him out playing golf yesterday. What about your daughter? Well, she was in school. Oh, okay.

That's right. School is pretty sort of. She does like to play golf. She did four golf games. this year and she I think she didn't want to go the last one she said she was tired of golf okay but she like last year she had soccer

and dance and then she started softball and she'd get home before we went to any of the practices and she think how many jobs do I have tonight? She called all the sports activities. Jobs? Well you don't want that you don't want her to think of it.

No but she does we have we've got a couple horses she's way into horses oh good. We go to the mountains. We've been camping three out of last four weekends. Yeah, you told me about that. And we go ride four-wheelers and stuff up there. Right.

You take that big camper and you just plug it into your friend's house. So you got cable, you got air conditioning and everything in that thing. It's not really camping, but the kids are having fun. We take the camper out of the shouse

and go glamping. Okay. You know, the thing with golf, you know this, is just being taught the right way at an early age to develop the swing at an early age. I mean, the kids that develop a golf swing when they're five, six, seven years old, those are the guys that just never lose it

and they end up being really good golfers. If you played a lot of other sports and you came to golf late, it's much harder because it's that, you know, learned muscle memory skill thing. You've got a good swing, and you didn't start... When did you start playing golf? I started playing in junior high. You did.

So you were fairly young when you started... I didn't play a lot. It was often expensive when I was a kid. Yeah. I would never have been able to pay for a cart every time and to walk. Have you been playing? I had the other sports. I didn't play a lot.

I didn't play that much. It's also a little bit different here. It's the same. Our courses are not as challenging in a lot of ways. Right. That if you can just keep the ball out of sagebrush, it's going to be all right. All right. Have you seen any bears recently fishing?

I did. I saw two bears. Got two bears last weekend. Last weekend. Got four moose. What kind of bears? Black bears or grizzlies? One of each.

Really? Mm-hmm. I was a pack heat, though. What'd you say? A pack heat. Yeah, no, I know you. I know you pack heat. Did you have, did they...

You know what? You want to know a bear tip? Yeah, go ahead. I'd just learn this weekend that I like, or when you're in the mountains. You should also always have bear spray. I thought that was a given. I was told, with a gun. Oh.

Well, wouldn't you try the bear spray first? Uh, no. I don't know. You would just take the, well, you, you had a, you had a situation a few months back where you were in the river and a bear started to approach you. Right. Was that, that was on the bachelor party trip, right? That was a black bear.

Yeah, that was a black bear. Uh, and they say you should have bear spray because if a bear did start to malle. you. A lot of times you can't get a gun out of a holster, but with your bear sprays in your other holster, you can set it off, which would be awful, but you're not going to get mulled by a bear because you're getting your eyes, too. So what happened with the two bears the other day? They were just hanging out? Nothing. We just saw them, we just saw them, nothing happened. They're cool to see. Oh, yeah. I can imagine.

I actually like the bears here. I'm saying this to you, and I'm going to go hunting next week and get bear attacked, so I shouldn't find it. say this. But I actually like the bears in the mountain range that they are in. Because nobody wants to go up there. I mean, way less people go up there now. There's so many bears. Oh, really? So I get to go up where not that many

people go. And what kind of hunting are you kind of hunting are you doing next weekend? It's not next weekend, but yeah, we're going to try to, I'm going to try to shoot an elk with a bow that is ordered, and I don't even have. And if you think I've ever shot a bow, it's been since I was 10 years old.

I actually think I can accomplish any of it. I don't believe so. And I don't even really know if I want to go, to be honest. But I have like four friends that want to go. And I feel like if I want to fit in here, I'd need to take off all of October and hunt elk. Real quickly, though, is it that the bear population and the mountains that you're going hunting in is increased because there's less, Why has the bear population increase there? They've been much more protected over the last 20 years.

The grizzly bears around Yellowstone Park. Got it. So you're going to Yellowstone, the southern part of Yellowstone. Well, yes, close. Yeah. I live 60 miles from Yellowstone. I know. And that's...

It's not like we're that. Right. Far. No, I mean, Cody and Powell are right there. Powell, Wyoming is right there almost at the Montana border. God, it's just... you've got your geography down. You've really come a long way of knowing this stuff.

Well, I've always known where you looked. I just like you. You always look at the weather. I thought, well, I have in my phone. I've told you this before. I'm going to tell you right now. I will tell you what the weather is in, right? In Pal, Wyoming, right this second on my phone. It is 81 degrees with light rain forecasted to start in eight minutes.

I have, I have Powell, Wyoming. I have Los Angeles where my oldest son lives. I have Nashville where my sister lives. I have D.C. where I live. And now my youngest son lives in New York, so I'll probably put New York in there. But those are the... You know, you know why I have Powell in there.

It's because of you, but it's also because it's a cool place to check the weather during winter. I understand. Yeah. I know you want me to talk about football, and I know that's why the only reason you call me. No, it's not. But I have two, remember when you used to do that, what do you got thing?

I have one. I have two things for you. I'll make them way quick. All right. You just like to tell them. I was in Walmart yesterday. I was trying to buy those big Tupperware. I'm trying to get all my things out of boxes from moving in my storage, in my shop.

Two very bed, these two awesome clear, or the pile of them, clear Tupperware, 120 gallons. So I drag six of them up to the front desk. There's $34 a piece, which is crazy. and the guy starts trying to scan, scan, won't scan, scan, he brings over his manager. 10 minutes I'm at the Walmart sale. They're trying to figure it out, the manager looks at me, she says, these aren't for sale.

I'm in Walmart. They have a tag on them, and I got them off his shelf. Yeah, yeah, they're not for sale. Since when does Walmart have items that are not for sale? Well, so first of all, what did you need? 100. See, it's just because you're moving stuff from the house and you need it to store it in. It'll be easier to store stuff in it's so much better to have the hardware bin. Yeah, and you can see through it.

And I got boxes. Yeah, yeah. And I'm trying, when we moved, I thought I did a pretty good job pack. I did a piss poor job. Okay. We got it all out here. So what happens? It's hard to see. I got crap everywhere. And I'm really, a lot of my stuff, it's been over two years since I've moved out. I want some of my stuff. Right. Glenn was to start doing things a little earlier than we did as far as new house, new things. But I want some of the stuff. I have this television that I really love.

It's one of those, like, picture ones you put on the wall. Yeah. But the box, you have to have the box for it. I can't find the box anywhere. I know it's in there. Oh, my God. I mean, I have a place for it. I have a perfect place for it in my main living room.

It'll work perfect. It's like the right size. I don't want to go buy another one, and that's where I can watch football games. So I can talk to you about things. Well, I mean, the thing, I was going to tell everybody, you're not paying attention to this team, but you are still into football and watching football

and actually betting on football a little bit as well. Real quickly, though, so they didn't have, they were tagged, they were on the shelf, and they came over, and the manager said, yeah, these aren't for sale. So. Left without bins. Okay.

What a waste of time? This is where this gets worse. There's no one else that has bins in Cody Wyoming like that. Only Walmart. Yeah. I mean. I'd have to drive to Billings, Montana. I got to drive 90 miles to get a bin.

And where would you get it in Billings? Or wait four days on Amazon. Oh, well, you could. I figured by four days. Walmart would have them back in their inventory. You got to go to the Albertsons and Billings? They're building the new Albertsons and pal. It's big news, man.

I mean, people are pumped. Really? Yeah, not just Blares anymore, baby. We got an Albertson. That's funny. Well, you just got to, you have to order it on Amazon, wait the four days. God, four days. You know what, I could probably order whatever you're talking about on Amazon.

and have it here this afternoon. Actually found a way to do that. There's a service in Cody, Wyoming that will drive it to Billings and pick anything up for you. That size of the thing, we're talking like an extra $40, someone will go to Billings and get it. What's Billings, Montana like? It's actually grown a lot.

It's got about 100, I don't know, 100, 120,000 people in the surrounding area. And here's what I love about. Where I live, everyone goes, I hate the traffic in Billings. It's just terrible. 120,000 people. Just terrible traffic. It's so bad.

I hate it. I mean, you can't do anything in a car there. Is Helena nicer? Is Helena nicer than Billings? What's the-Henna is nicer than Billings? Yes. Billings has got a ton of like little casinos and things. They're bought or poker casinos.

Billings is fine, though. I mean, it's got all the things I usually need. Home Depot and Costco. What about Missoula? It's not the two stores. Home Depot, Costco, and the best shield. Have you ever heard of a Shield? No.

This is the biggest outdoor store I've ever seen in my life is in Billings, Montana. There have a ferris wheel in it. Bowling lanes, little kid bowling lanes. Oh, the shields. What's the nicest city in Montana? Because I know Big Sky, obviously, is beautiful, and people from all over the world.

Well, I think that Bozeman is kind of the new Jackson Hole is the chic-hip town to move to. Okay. Which is close to Big Sky. Helen is nice. I've never even been to Missoula, but everyone likes Missoula. I mean, the University of Montana is at very interesting. You're probably not that far from Bozeman. 90 minutes to Bozeman, too?

No. Oh, it's more than that. It is? Because you've got to go right through Yellowstone. No, you don't. You go up through Montana. What, up towards Billings and then get on 90 going west? Yeah, I got to go, like, up through Joliette.

Mm-hmm. And then, yeah, north. Got to be careful about that traffic in Billings. What's your other... No, you avoid Billings on that. What's your other, what do you got? I think of myself sometimes as like a magnet for problem.

So I got this great idea that I can take my covered four wheeler. It's an R-raiser. It's called a razor. Polaris razor. Thousand-horse power. I think I can take it up over the mountain. Where I've taken it before, they've got to go

way up under these. They're like shale field. It's like loose rock field where there's big slopes down a loose rock. You have to be pretty careful. Look at this sucker stuck on the side of a shale in the spot where I can't move it. Dude, I, and me and a buddy, spent three hours digging a 15-foot-by-15-foot road with our hands and feet. In about 11,000-foot elevation to get the razor up. No one else is coming to save you. I actually do, I do have a GPS song.

We did text home. and my friend's parents were coming up camping with us too and they said they essentially got there and I said we knew you guys would be fine you could have just driven up and pulled us out with a winch well what so

so it got stuck I dug a mountain road out of shale for three hours to get a razor unstuck oh my god that's what I'm doing those are the things I'm doing on a day to day day period

that sounds like a lot of fun it was so much fun really well that's because it was summer what if it had happened during the winter wouldn't have been as fun you can't if they close the road you can't get up there in the winter all right after some football right after these words from a few of our sponsors this segment of the podcast is brought to you by my bookie go to mybookie dot a g or mybooky use my promo code Kevin D.C. and they'll double your first deposit.

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I love that you give me notes of exactly what to watch. I watch your running back, I watch the quarterback, I watched Jamie Davis a little bit, I watched the third down conversions from Patrick Mahomes. You know what I watched? Only the things you told me to watch, and that was it. No, you didn't. You said before we started, you said you watched a little bit more. You watched the first halves of the first two preseason games.

Yeah, on the condensed film, on NFL.com, which I love the condensed film. Do you have you watched the condensed film? Of course, yeah. You can watch a whole game in 45 minutes, yes. I did actually finally, we started talking about NFL. I'm not the smartest, but I did finally figure out how to get the coaches film. Okay. And I don't like that you can't watch end-zoned and sideline at the same time.

They don't do end-zoned and side-bine. And-sum-back and forth. I hate it's kissing me off. Right. I watch the things you wanted me to watch. So what do you want to start talking about? Carson Wentz? I thought he looked pretty good.

I think he doesn't look as athletic as he has been, though. And I've got him through the ball well. I thought he looked like he had confidence in the pocket. Okay, before Carson Wentz, actually, here's what I want to talk about. The preseason is so, it's a great evaluation product for your young players. It really is. I love being able to see young players get a chance to perform in games, not in practice. For your starters, it's here, it's so nothing.

It's not a deal. I would say this, though, when I say it's so nothing, I think the Chiefs looks like a better football team without question. Well, yeah. Quarter and a – I mean, that was in the apparent situation that the Chiefs looked a lot more consistent in Mahomes' Mahomes. And even without Tariq Hill, it didn't seem to slow him down. and they have a problem attacking Cameron Curl all day

and that did got exposed a little bit but so yeah I thought Wentz looked good in the pocket I thought his tempo was good seemed like he felt comfortable I don't think he moves very well do you seem like he moved very well I think that's a preseason thing I don't know

or maybe I didn't watch that much Carson Wentz in Indy last year maybe maybe that's a Carson Wentz injury thing over the past 30 years where he's just not the same dude as far as his feet and legs. Well, he moved last year. What'd you say? Yeah, I understand.

I said he took a sack on maybe the second drive. Yeah. We're there in field goal range on third down and you're like, soft cover two. Throw the ball, throw the check down or run, but it can't run. Hit the check down and pick the field goal guy. Okay. I hate seeing a veteran quarterback, even in a preseason game, maybe he's trying to make a throw or make something happen.

He knows the preseason, but I don't want to get too deep into it. But I hate seeing a guy not have the situational awareness. Right. So check on the right, but it was Antonio Gibbsman sitting in front of him. He just dump it to him. Maybe he doesn't get the first time. Maybe he does. I think they'd take it a false start penalty from Cosme to play before.

Right. And, but you're going, he's sitting there five. yards, six yards. You might shake one and get the first down, or, Kev, this is preseason, you get to a fourth and four and you've got a great opportunity to go for a while. You're not punning from fourth and ten, fourth and fourteen on the forty. That's a really good point. Why did they do that? Why did they punt on fourth and 15 from the 40? Just, just go forward. Who cares about the result of the game? Can I just tell you something real quickly? I want to just interject one thing, because I mentioned this to

Who did I mention this to? Oh, your protege, Logan Paulson, on the podcast. Rivera had said, I really hope Sam Hal gets an opportunity with, you know, the game tight in the two-minute offense. I really want to see him do that. And so I said to Logan, well, why doesn't he just do it? Why doesn't he just tell the team two minutes to go in the game? I know it's, you know, 17-7. We're going to pretend that it's 17, 13, we've got timeouts.

We need to score a touchdown right here. Let's see how we do it. Why not just do it? And act as if it's a two-minute drill with two minutes to go in a close game. Like you can do whatever you want in a preseason game. Fourth and 15, they didn't have to punt it there. Let's make it even easier. 95% of dudes, especially the starters, they don't want to play in a preseason game.

game. So let's say your second drive, you have three minutes to go score, score the football, and if you score three points, you're done. You can get out of the game. Take down the field, two minutes, in less than three minutes, and go go better, and you guys are done. Then, one, you can do whatever you want to breathe in the game, obviously, but two, you're giving them a reason to do it. There's an incentive to be great in it, and because they all want off the field, there is a little pressure on it.

Should we please go get this done right now as we get off? Yeah. Digital pressure, a little incentive. I mean, I don't know, Kev. I don't, the fourth and 14 doesn't bother me that you punt in the preseason. I don't really care. But it should have been a fourth and five

because he should have thrown the check to have the Gibson. Right. or even if he throws it away, you're in field goal range. He took a sack and he got knocked out of field goal range. And yeah, I mean, with respect to his mobility, there's no doubt he's not as mobile as he was in 16 and 17. But he was pretty mobile last year. He can move. My guess is he's played so little so far.

I mean, what is it? Six total series, I think, in two games, maybe seven total series in two games. and they're just trying to get him into some sort of rhythm throwing the football. I mean, they've been running the football, too. We're going to get to that. But you think he's looked okay? I mean, I don't, is that your conclusion? Like, what do you really think he's going to be?

He's obviously the biggest. I thought he was pretty consistent. Okay. I do. I thought he was pretty consistent. I thought underneath he threw the ball. Well, he had a couple drops. I think he had a third down drop somewhere in the middle of the field on one of those.

early drive. Curtis Samuel, yeah. I thought his balls down the field. I didn't like one, I think, in the Carolina game that he threw into double coverage to Terry McCorn. I thought he forced to go into Sarah McClorn early in the Carolina game. But I thought, for the most part, the other couple balls he threw down the field, which

weren't completed, had enough touch on him and were not underthrown that he gave dudes a chance to make a play. I really didn't see anything in Went other than I didn't see the old Wint. moving around.

Right. That I'm used to. And you do, I mean, Mahomes, you know, so Baker Mayfield in the Carolina game, and he is the starter, by the way. He was named the starter over Sam Darnold earlier this week, I think, or maybe it was late last week. So they converted their first three third downs, and then he fumbled a snap, and he ended up with a third and long, and they kicked a field goal on their opening drive in the first

preseason game. And then Mahomes went five for five. on their first five third downs, and then he left the game. So he was perfect on third down. And I guess what I would ask you is, what is your reaction to the defense? You know, a lot of people are sounding alarm bells because they were a horrible third down defense last year, 31st in the league. Should people be concerned about this in a preseason game or not, especially against Patrick Mahomes?

Well, I think that they are really lacking in safety play, at least in this last game, and underneath coverage, which I think is something that they struggled with through last year. I wasn't overly impressed with corners communicating passing things off. I think it was the Chief game, but they had some crossers, and Fuller couldn't pass off a crosser and come back and he gives up a touchdown. Cam Curl was out of position a lot of times. Maybe one of the first downs Mahomes converted. He's kind of scrambling around a little bit.

the back had helped in protection, checked out on a little swing. Cameron Curl really only has that flat area, and he just drifted himself back to the middle of the field, and then he gets outrun by the back. Stuff like that, it alarms me in so much that it's, that's a simple assignment, but this is my area and where are my eyes? Is that just going to get better because it's week one? I don't know, and I've liked Cam Curl. I thought that he's flashed quite a bit, and he had two or three of those third downs were literally just him.

And I thought, I think, I don't know what Del Rio's installed or what Rivera is really preaching to some of that stuff, or maybe they're finding out. But they mix man coverage. They mixed like a quarter, quarter half coverage in where they got beat down the middle. Curl got beat down the middle deep on a third down. some different versions of cover three and none of them look sound I mean there was a man coverage against I think the starters are still out there

when the Chiefs backup quarterback comes in and they're playing a man coverage and four-man rush and the quarterback scrambles for 18 yards right like are we going to talk and communicate and have keys and responsibilities or are we just going to get distracted by the first guy running across the field

and shake it. Yeah, they should be okay if, like we've said the last two years, if the front four, which should be dominant, dominant. Well, you know, Chase's pressure on a quarterball. Chase Young's out at minimum for the first four games. But, yeah, and I understand that. But it's also, they still have dudes. Yeah. Yeah, they've got, yeah. And the other thing I thought was interesting is I didn't see great pressures created with any blitzers. Well, they did have that one slot corner when St. Juice splits out of the slot.

I think it ended up being a four-man pressure because they may have been in nickel and they just brought him as a fourth rusher, but he was lined up on the slot receiver and came. And I think that was the big play from Holmes where he threw it down the middle for a big, you know, 30-yard game or something like that. Real quickly, and I want to get back to our. team. But Mahomes, like some of those third down conversions where he's actually flushed out of the pocket and then he contorts his body in certain ways and just sort of throws its sidearm across

the field. I mean, who does that kind of stuff? It's really, it's amazing to watch him. And it's good to get that kind of work against a quarterback like him because they're not going to face a lot of guys like him this year. They did last year, including him. But, but, you know, But it's hard to stop them on third down. No, it's amazing. It's what he does is so special, and it's fun to watch. We talked about my kids earlier, but quickly. I don't give, I don't, that we're not doing Marinavit's training in my house.

Okay, trust me, I promise you that. Okay. But I set up all these little games where I'll set up a target or I'll stand there, and I'll say, see how fast you can run that way, and then you've got to hit this thing throwing it back the other way. And I got him for running, he's having fun doing that. He likes it. But shoot, I bet my homes has been doing that stuff in football, baseball,

everything combined since he was four years old. Yeah. You have to figure that. And I did say I don't think people have to play that much football until they're a little bit older except for the quarterback. I think the quarterback's got to know how to play quarterback by the time he's about seven years old where he's not going to be Patrick Mahomes. Really, by the time you're seven.

He is. yeah, but I don't know throwing a number out there. But he's incredible, and the things he sees, and I think he's all, I don't, I don't think he was getting lucky a couple years ago with some throws. He sees things.

The guy comes open where most people don't see it, and then his ability to throw the ball in any way to get it to that dude is amazing, but it's even more amazing to me watching stuff. Like, how did he see that?

I know one was a broken down play deep crossing out I think curl was in coverage deep crossing out where curl kind of got picked off a little bit it wasn't the one read he wasn't waiting on that he's happened like golly this dude's good yeah he is really good and they don't have to re-kill but I loved I don't know how much you saw of the kid that they drafted out of western michigan sky more um number 24 was his name he He didn't have any catches, but he's out on the field, and I've watched him a couple of times now, including last night. He was out there as a return or two, I think, as well.

But Tariqil has been the most dangerous player with the ball in his hands in the league for the last four years or whatever it's been. All right, so I asked you about Wentz. Oh, tell me, did you watch the Heineke drive right before the half that ended in a touchdown pass to Cammy. Sims. We didn't talk about watching that, that never came up. No, it didn't. No, I did. I was actually sitting at the pool.

My son this morning, because I told you I would do this podcast, but I forgot I promised him we'd do the pool. And he was more important. He should be. So I did not get, I did not get to that drive. Okay. Sorry. All right.

It was against Kansas City. It was against Casey's twos, but Heinekee came in. and drove him right down the field and threw a touchdown pass to Cam Sims, who every time he has an opportunity, he always seems to impress. Okay, so the... I mean, seriously, though, he knows the offense, he knows the system. He knows the two he's working with. He's working against Kansas City's too.

It's not... It's one of those deals where he's comfortable and he's fine, and he's in his environment. And we both think that he's a great two. I think he's an exceptional two. I don't know if he's a guy that's ever going to be a true one. Great two, though, and if he's got to come in for four games, he's going to give you a chance to win all four of those. What were the other things that I asked you to watch?

You actually watch the running back. I know. I want to know what you think of Brian Robinson and Gibson, because that's been one of the big storylines through training camp in the first two preseason games so far. So we'll get to that right after these words. from a few of our sponsors. So I did make a short list of things that I think I've told you in various conversations,

but just things that have been going on with the team. I'm not talking about off-the-field stuff. I mean, there's been enough of that for, you know, forever. But I did, you know, Chase Young's injury. He was put onto the regular season pup list, which means he's going to miss the first four games. I don't know if I told you this or not. The injury was much more than a torn ACL. It was also a ruptured Patella.

And so that's why there was complexity in the surgeries and then the recovery and why ultimately it could be almost a year before he's ready to play. I forget if I had told you that or not. They have lost basically all of their tight ends during training camp. They came in, remember, you know, you really. really liked Cole Turner, the guy they drafted in the fifth round out of Nevada. He's been hurt. Bates has been hurt. Logan Thomas just came off the Pupplest, so it looks like there's a chance he could be ready for the regular season. And they've been playing this guy at tight end. His name's Armani

Rogers. He was a quarterback at Ohio University. I actually think he's been really impressive. I did not ask you to watch him. But that's been a problem position. Hopefully, Logan Thomas is ready, and Bates and Turner are ready to go when the regular season starts. They've had an ever-changing offensive line. Last week, they started a guy by the name of Montero at Right Guard. He wasn't even on the team until two days before the game. Defensively, they are still basically, they still really only have two linebackers at any given time, Davis and Holcomb. and St. Juice is clearly going to be their fifth nickelback and their slot corner.

What else did I write down for you? Oh, and that leads me to running back. So the big storyline of the summer is that Antonio Gibson in the first preseason game fumbled again. And since that time, he has clearly been demoted. And Brian Robinson, Jr., who they took in the third round from Alabama, who has played well, and I know you've watched him through these first two, preseason games. So that's what we're going to get to now. But the feeling is that Antonio Gibson now is going to be a guy they try to use in space. He's probably going to be their kickoff returner and that Brian Robinson Jr. is going to be their starting running back come opening day against Jacksonville on September 11th. So what did you see Gibson and Robinson

in these first two preseason games? Brian Robinson's a real running back? Or that's not fair. That's not. That's not fair. Brian Robinson is better. But he looks like he's played running back his whole life. I thought Robinson was really good before we talk about Gibson at all. I thought Robinson did a really nice job getting what was available, hitting the hole with quickness, having patience when they ran some of their counterplay. He got a hop step in and waiting for a guard to clear with some running backs will rush and run into the backs of offensive linemen.

I thought he was physical, ran through contact well. To me, he looks pretty impressive. And he looks like he's got a burst. he got through a couple holes where it looks like he could take it the distance. I don't know what his high in breakaway speed really is. I mean, we do because it's fast, but it really looks like he's going to be consistent back.

It'd be super hard watching Gibson over the last year and in the last couple of preseason games and then watching Robinson. I think that the fumble was probably just the easy reason that say, okay, we're going to give Gibson a shot. That's not why they're, if they love Gibson more than Robinson, the fumble would have done nothing. I mean, like him to protect the ball, as Mike would say, for obvious reasons.

But I just think that Robinson's a true back. And it's so interesting because I've been really surprised that they haven't used Gibson and more of the role but Memphis used him, well, he was in Memphis, that they haven't done more things with mismatched stuff, with two backs in the backfield, and then moving them out and running routes. They did try to run a little out route with him.

They put him outside of McCorm, and a tight slot, a little bunch there, which Wentz didn't complete. But I would like to see them be able to do more of that stuff. The complete thing is, if you are doing that, he's not J.D. McKissick. Right. Well, where does he fit in in that situation?

I mean, you want your best 11. If he was one of the best 11, Bill Belichick can play three back at one. But I don't think he is. I don't think he'll know if he is with Robinson on the field. Even more, like, watching Gibson, you'd think by year three, you're really starting to get a better feel for push, hole, hit,

a hole go now. And he's still feeling things out a little more than I'd want to. Now, to be completely fair to him, too, a couple of the plays that he had, a couple of the runs were not well blocked. No, they were blown up, yeah. So I want to be fair with that. Even still, I'd like to, you know, saw, like if a baller back, even Adrian Peterson, when he was 34 years old, is going to shake two tackles, make something happen, bounce, move. I mean, not every time, but, or it's going to take a one cut and get in the A gap and get one yard, two yards. three or three.

I think Robinson's a guy that looks like he could do that. I mean, he really looked like he was consistent with where he wanted to hit a hole, that he had very good feel and vision to push the linebackers and to push guys onto their block to make the cut back into things. And then when they're running their gaps scheme stuff, which anyone that is ever on a counterplay or a power play or, you know, really even almost an isolation play, they're all designed to go to one gap.

I had great patience to get to the gap. You know, didn't over rush it. Did a nice job. And even more, I watched him because I have this weird pet peeve with backs coming out of backfield as receivers. And I did a pretty good job coming out of the backfield, not wasting time when he was extra in protection. He looks really good to me. You know, in Gibson's rookie year, you know, you loved him when you watched him on tape after they drafted him. And obviously he wasn't a running back at Memphis, but I remember very much during the 2020 season,

even when he was having some big games, some really good games. You kept saying over and over again, he's leaving a lot out there. He's just not, you know, his vision isn't good enough, and he's not, especially on the zone runs, inside zone and outside zone, you were highly critical of him, even after he would have a big game. But you did tell me last year that you thought, and I felt the same way in watching him, that he had gotten a lot better at that and he was improving. I mean, this is a guy that wasn't a running back in college. Like you said, it's obvious that Brian Robinson's been a running back his whole life.

And it hasn't been that obvious with Gibson. But I thought last year, the yards being left out on the field, I mean, during their four-game win streak, he, for all intents and purposes, he was their best player. As a runner, I mean, he carried the ball 30 times in a game. I agree with you. I thought he did do a good job. And he had some big plays last year where you see some speed from him.

Oh, he's sub-four-four. Yeah, I get it. I said this before he came in to you. We talked about this. I think he's that niche H-back kind of role where you can do a ton of cool stuff with him. You don't have to block him on bunch. I'm not saying H-back in the exact term of the way I played it, but just to were clear, like,

Ricky Sanders played H-back for Joe Gibbs. I mean, in that role. Yeah, as a guy in motion. When you went to a different personnel, it didn't have to be dittier. You were interchangeable, an interchangeable part with Ricky Sanders. They were both essentially the H-VAC.

And I thought Gibson could be that kind of guy. And with some of the stuff that teams are running in the NFL, you can move him around a lot. For the younger fans, he moved just like I moved. But he's got that ability to come back and get a fly sweep, to get quick out into the flats, to help chip in protection and go to potentially block the backside and help stuff like that,

the motion into the backfield and run an ISO package where he's going to leap block on a linebacker. He can do all those things. I think he's really versatile. I don't think his... I don't know if he's a Pro Bowl back. And so I don't see... Why wouldn't we give Robinson more of a chance if we like him right now?

No, I... You do, you... There's got to be a role right now for Gibson. And I've struggled some with watching them over the last two years, and I don't know if it's... I'm sure it's more Turner, but it's a lot of Rivera. And then so many times, They want to get into these two tight-end personnel groupings,

and they did that at Carolina, a ton, too. They don't have two good tight ends. They haven't. So why do you want to put a two tight end in, or your second tight end, who's on a scale of one at ten, a three or four? When you could do, all you got to do is use some creativity

and use Gibson and do something a little different. So I think it's been frustrating watching some of that stuff with their personnel packages because they're trying to do what they want to do, not what maybe your team does best. First of all, no, I hear everything you're saying, and I'm going to present something to you here in a second. But on Gibson, I still think he's got really high ceiling potential

as a running back, you know, as a very versatile running back. But this guy was really good yards after contact. The fumbling thing, you can't, you know, you can't do that. But back to, you know, sort of the way they're going to scheme it up this year. You know, you said you can use them in all of these different ways. Well, it's the same way that they want to use Curtis Samuel. It's the same, you know, in some cases, the way they can use J.D. McKissick. John Dotson's capable of probably doing a lot of that same stuff.

They actually have, I mean, I'm not trying to get carried away with their playmakers. It's not like. But they, but it's like you can't. put them all out on the field at the same time. And when you're in 12 personnel, because you want to pound it with Brian Robinson, which is really what they did last year during the four-game winning streak to really take the pressure off Taylor Heineke, you know, to stay ahead of the chains and dominate time of possession.

And Gibson was, you know, was doing it, you know, carrying the ball 20, you know, plus times a game. I think he had 30 carries in the Seattle Monday night game for 120 yards or whatever it was. But if they do that with Robinson, and you end up with, let's just say it's Thomas and Bates on the field, well, I mean, you know, you only have room for two of those other toys on the field. McLaren, Dodson, Samuel, Gibson, McKissick, you know, it's, it's, and we haven't even mentioned. I know, I know, and I know what you're saying, but you, it's, you put down a number of touches you want everyone to get,

and you create those different touches, and then you create a balance with what you're doing on offense with that. you can say we still want Antonio Gibson to have 12 touches, and four of them can be fly sweeps, and one you can shift Robinson out into the slot and shift Gibson back and give him a couple carries that week. But if Robinson's a better back, you're going to claim it back. I hear you. And I really do like him a lot.

I like him a lot, too. I mean, these are preseason games. But clearly they like them. They clearly liked him. They drafted him in the third round. And that told us all we needed to know on draft, you know, on day two of the draft, and that was they're concerned about Gibson. Because you don't draft a running back in the third round without the intention of him being a contributor right away.

And it's played out that way. I mean, that's maybe true. It's pretty much true. You could let a third rounder develop a little bit. At that position? Maybe not a back. Yeah. That's my point. No. And but here's, well, here's the other thing is, let's just say that

Gibson was clearly the guy early. Robinson is almost any team in the league's going to say our number two guy is probably going to end up carrying the ball as a starter for at least three or four games. Because of the nature of back skating hurt. Right. Think of your fantasy football roster. Like every two weeks, like, there's nine new backs on the waiverware. Right. It's just the thing that I was saying, they've got a lot of playmakers. You started to describe the way they can use Gibson. Well, that's kind of how they want to use Curtis Samuel. You know, J.D. McKissick was really good for them last year. And they brought him back. They signed them to, you know, to a free agent contract. You know, Buffalo wanted him desperately. It's just going to be, it's going to be a challenge for Scott Turner. I personally think he's up to it. I do. But, you know, but, you.

There's a lot of different ways they can go, and as long as the quarterback's good enough. Yeah. Some of that, yeah. But a lot of times when you have a lot of ways you can go, you have a multitude of what you'd call a gimmick plays or whatever you want to call. I mean, they're not flea-flickers, but they're, you know, easy little screenplays, little fly-sweep stuff. the gimmicky plays. Right. Your quarterback, if you can excel

with balance on a gimmick play every set of downs, your quarterback doesn't have to be as good. You protect your quarterback with that stuff. I think that was the goal. I think that's what they were thinking about all along.

Not a bad goal. I mean, it's I know. What's funny is this the quarterback operates and runs them fast and completes a couple big third downs. He's a stud. Yeah, I mean, I think last year, you know, they wanted weapons around him, around Ryan Fitzpatrick. They even drafted a receiver in the third round. This year, they draft Jahan Dotson in the first round.

Then they draft a running back in the third round. And, you know, after the trade for Wentz, and, you know, I think part of this, and it's not criticism of Wentz, but Wentz isn't Aaron Rogers. He's not Pat Mahomes. He's not Josh Allen. He's not going to just elevate the rest of his team. And I think part of what they did is they recognize that, but also recognize that he gives them something that Taylor didn't. But he's got, you know, he's probably got the best supporting cast of skilled position players that he's ever played with. I think you might be right about the best supporting cast of players around him.

I mean, you had Dawson with McCoran who's been there, and I think Dawson really flashes. and to me, Curtis Samuels been a stud. I'd like to see a little bit more for the tight ends. You did mention Rogers earlier. He's been interested in,

and I think he got after the run game. There's guys, man. I don't, other than McClure, I don't know if you have, like, a true another stud star. Well, you said, you like that. You love Dodson. You love Dodson after watching his tape.

Oh, I thought Dodson was terrific. Yeah, I thought he was, outstanding in a ton of ways. I was super-duper impressed by Doxon. You know, I like the new tight end. If he's healthy, that's going to be awesome to see what he can do and how he can contribute in that fashion. I mean, if I'm Scott Turner, like, as long as you got the ball is to say, we're going to get it to who we need to get it to and it's going to get spread out, I don't want to hear anything else but that. It's my show. The quarterback's going to run it. And you can manage some of the personalities in a situation.

I'd way rather have 19 weapons than three. 19's a lot, but no, no, no, it's a good problem to have. You know what I'm saying? I'd way rather have too many. I'd rather have too. I mean, those are good problems to have. Right. Those are.

All right, so. What else? Those are one percent of problems. I mean, I don't, we'll see how they all mesh and what happens to some of these guys. because not, I just can't do this game that I've done my entire life and go, we got Brandon Lloyd and Santana Moss and Antoine Randallel and me and Clinton Fort us and look at us and we suck. You know what I mean?

Yeah, I know. We can do that all you want until we figure out what they are, what they are with their quarterback. They have guys that have played well. They have young players that continue to play well. I mean, Robinson's the rookie. Dotson's the rookie. Gibson's a third year player. that's never played back, and by the way, at this point,

it's never played anywhere but back in the NFL. So we'll figure out how we're going to use him. We have tight ends. I think Logan Thomas, you know you're going to get consistency, but behind that, we don't know exactly what we're getting from any of the other tight ends, right? I mean, we're hopeful. So we'll see.

We'll see how they mesh, and that's a huge deal. Did anything else, do you have anything else on your list that stood out or not? It's fine if there's nothing else. Oh, you asked to watch Jamie Davis. Yeah. And I, coming out, I was not

high on Jamie Davis, especially not as a first round pick. I just thought that was a poor decision. Right. And not, so we're clear so everyone understands, it doesn't mean he would be a poor decision on the background. I don't think he's a first round. I don't think he draft a project in the first round, especially at middle linebacker.

Find those guys in third and fourth round. All the time. It's not uncommon. and I know he's struggled. He looks more comfortable to me. He's not looking around, wondering what his job is. Am I going to, he's playing a little bit quicker. I'd like to see that speed. I don't see the speed that he has.

But you know he has. When the ball carrier is out towards the sideline, yeah, he can have, you'll see speed, but I don't see that initial instinct quickness and speed. And he still gets blocked a little more than I'd like him to get blocked. But I thought he played with a lot, a lot more confidence. I thought he played like he looked a lot more comfortable in watching him in two games. Well, he's not being asked to be the middle linebacker anymore, you know, with all of the thinking.

He's being asked to just kind of go play football, and hopefully that'll work out. No, I mean, I understand that, but when they drafted him, that was kind of being intent. Right. All right. Well, at least I thought it was. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe they just want a guy that can go play football. We're still trying to figure out whether or not Kooley's going to watch games and come on here and do some film breakdown.

We'll have more news on that at some point, I'm sure. In the meantime, definitely, you know, make sure you've got some bear spray on you for next weekend. Yeah, you're right. We are still trying to figure out if I'm going to watch games, all of us, including me. I'm not sure if I'm – Here's what I could promise you for certain. What? I could promise you.

I will watch games not in October. You take the month of October off here. It's a holiday month called Hunting Month. It's the Hunting Month. Yeah. It's probably a couple of November. Probably a couple Sundays in November. I'm going to be out hunting birds.

So, I mean, it's not, you know, we'll do a few here and there. Well, it doesn't mean that you can't, well, because you won't be coming back to the house after you hunt on the weekend. If you're back on Monday, you can watch. the game and then come on here on Wednesday and do a little film discussion. I could do that. You're absolutely right. I can give you after.

If I could get my goddamn cupperware so I could go find the rest of my TV things. So I put up one more TV so I don't have to go hide like hide in my loss. It's not for sale. It's got a tag on it, but it's not for sale. Sorry, sir. If I get the couplewheres, then maybe I could get the TV up because I'm not buying a new one. It was expensive. Sorry. Well, listen, all you've got to do is on Monday nights, I'll text you, all right, this is what happened in the game, this is what I want you to look at, and you'll just watch the condensed version of the game and then go into the all 22 and complete the assignments that I've given you.

I mean, I will make a deal with you. We will actually negotiate this whole contract on the air. Are you ready? Okay. Go ahead. You ready? it's going to be super easy because I am going to come out to see you for one day here. I know you are. In October, which is killing my hunting. Right. I mean, during hunting month,

you're actually coming back east for a wedding. I got a wedding. I got to go to you. I know. So I'm going to see you when you come back. You're going to see me when you come back. So I am going to come out and see you. As soon as you book a trip for next July at any point, and you send me your flight details.

I'll do your show. Does it have to be next July? Could it be like in the spring? It just needs to be a trip. Do you want to have a good time or a great time? Well, I want to have a great time. You know I want to come out and I want to fish. I don't care about... You know what I'm going to... Here's what I want. What?

You book a trip anytime you want in... I mean, it'd be... If you did it, you know, if you did it now, we could go do the Bears Sprite thing together. That might be great. I'm sure you won't. I can't do it now. If you do it sometime in the role of your business between next, actually, you know it would be great, is if you did, like, early May before school gets out. And then I don't have to worry about the kids the whole time. Next May.

Early May, I mean, right when the NFL draft is over, That's when we can do it. All I need to do is you figure out a day and you sign a contract. Not flying out there for one day. You got to stay. It's six days minimum. Flight to flight will count. Like your flight days will count.

That will give you four days without travel. You sign a contract. You send that, you fax that on over to me. Kara is going to want to come. I want her to come. I know. So this is something we have talked about. I know I've told you this before.

We have talked about coming out to see you guys. Now, just so you know, if you lived like, let's just say in North Dakota, the conversation probably wouldn't happen that much. But because you live in one of the most beautiful states in one of the most beautiful places, we've talked about it before. My boys have talked about it with me. They've said many times, why haven't we gone out to visit Cooley in Wyoming?

I'm like, it's on the list. We're going to do it. So I might come out with everybody. They could come. They actually can't come in this contract. In no offense to your boys, they can come the next year when the house is built, when we have room for other people. Oh, they could come.

They'd stay my camper. They'll love that. We're not going to, we'll stay in a hotel. We'll stay in the Hampton Inn in downtown Cody. Not part of the deal. All right. No. Thank you.

I will see you less if you do that. So when you send that over and then, oh, by, just so you know, if you ever, if you ever, I can't say this anymore, if you ever do, go back on the contract, it's $20,000. That's fine. Well, I mean. 20, grand. So if you call me the next year and you say, I can't make it, contractually, you are obligated to pay me $20,000 for doing yourself. Okay. Well, that part might get negotiated and haggled a little bit, but I don't think it's even an issue.

I mean, I will not, I will not be in breach of this contract because I want to come out there, and I want you to. You know, but you don't plan on being in breach of it, but you always have something come up. No, you know what? Just like I did. No, you know what? The truth is, the truth is? I did twice. Yeah, you did it to me this week.

But the truth is, is I could have done it this week. I should have done it this week. But they're just... This would have been a perfect week to do it. It would have been a perfect week because I had the time off. And the rest of my family can't do anything. I mean, I told you I'm going to play golf for the next three or four days down in South Carolina. And one of my boys is going to join me for some of it.

And one of the others might be there. Well, one of my sons is coming for the whole church. trip. And one of my other sons may come down for a few days as well, and Kara can't come, but this would have been the time to do it. I don't know why I didn't think about doing it now. It's too late. July 20th. You wanted to do, you wanted to go catch trout. Yeah, July 20th. Okay, July 20th. That's the day you come. July 20th, that's when I know all the water, all the runoff at all the mountains will be done. The water's clear, but it's not too low that you can't go really float through it. That's July 20th. All right. So, four.

If you go to Wyoming, if anybody wants to go Wyoming and fish ever in their life, you're not saying with me, but just July 20th. For the commitment when I show you the booked travel, July 20th, that means... You don't have to book it now. I just want you to commit that you will do it over $20,000. I will. But the service is rendered for that commitment. You know what? I'm not going to even... I'm not even going to make it...

I'll make my part of the contract a commitment. I'm just going to be thrilled. I'm going to be thrilled to have you whenever. Why is this a contract? These are good things. If you say yes right now, it's a verbally binding contract that everyone's blessed me to. Say that again? If you say yes, you've committed verbally to a contract.

It's a verbally binding contract. I can hold you accountable. Yeah, but I haven't held you account. I'm not going to hold you accountable for anything. But the answer is yes. If I miss one, okay, you did it. The thing is, no more negotiation. I might miss a show here and there and now you can't negotiate that.

You know when Will Ferrell was on the office for those few episodes after Michael Scott leaves and he plays DeAngelo Vickers and he's the replacement for Michael Scott. And like the very first episode after the Michael Scott says goodbye episode, he's in the conference room and he's like telling like he's acting really, really. demonstrative in saying, look, if you don't like this, here's the door. You can leave. And he says, but let me just tell you something. Thursdays? Ice cream Thursdays. We're all going to have ice cream. And then he says to

Darrell, Darryl, by the way, night school, the company's paying for it. Deal with it. And then Kevin Malone Kevin Malone says, he says, well, these sound like really good things. And then you see the cutaway and Will Ferrell goes, man, that Kevin, he's got me figured out.

And what I'm saying to you is what we're talking about here are all good things. These shouldn't be needed. You don't need to contractually commit to a trip, a fishing trip in Wyoming with a good friend. Haven't seen you out here in two years. Well, we did have that pandemic thing going there for a while. But that shouldn't have that. You did. We didn't.

We didn't have that. No, we didn't. And I didn't follow all the rules either. Okay. Thank you for doing this. Be careful next week. Yep, we'll be for you. All right, that's it for the day.

I'm going to do something either after the game tomorrow night or very early Sunday morning. So look for that. See you. I don't care what your favorite flavor is. Here's a bowl of ice cream. You either like it or you don't. That's my attitude right now in this room.

That's my attitude on ice cream. scream Thursdays. All right? Clear? Any questions? This all sounds great to me, but I could see how some people might think that they're bad. I don't know what to think. That is an astute observation, Kevin. Kev's got me pegged.