The Kevin Sheehan Show - Cooley & Kevin; Lots of Skins' Talk

Episode Date: May 15, 2019

Cooley & Kevin show today. They recap the NBA Draft Lottery and Game 1 of the Western Conference Finals. Then it's all Redskins. Cooley answers a true-false set of questions from Kevin about the first round of the Skins' draft. Then Cooley goes through the strengths and weaknesses of each of the Skins' 10 draft choices and more. <p> </p><p>Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a></p> Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You want it. You need it. It's what everyone's talking about. The Kevin Sheehan Show. Now here's Kevin. All right, I am here. Aaron is here and Chris Cooley is in studio today. Tommy will be back tomorrow. This show is presented by Window Nation. If you're in the market for Windows, call 86690 Nation or go to Window Nation.com and tell them we told you to call. Good morning to you. Good morning. How you doing? Great. You look good. I feel good. We're going to play some golf today after the after we're working. that we're going to get together and play golf. It is so good that we didn't play golf yesterday because I would feel obligated to tell you about my swing on this show.

I'm glad we didn't. We were going to play yesterday, but it was, you know, very wet from the weekend rain and it was cold and windy. Today will be a much better day. I'm sure I'm going to hear about your swing anyway. I know this. You've been playing a lot in playing well. I haven't been playing a lot.

I thought you haven't been playing well. Well, what's not, how often have you been playing? once a week. That's it? Oh, I thought you were playing more than that. I wish I was playing more. I think you're playing a little bit more than that. I'm not playing more.

What did you shoot the other day at Congressional? I shot a 78. That's pretty good. Member T's or one back? I think we played member T's. Yeah. You probably did. No, no, no, no.

We played one back. You did? Because the second hole is a par three and it was 210 yards or 208 yards. That could still be the member T's, that uphill part. three. You played the blue course. Yeah. But 78, a congressional. Wow, you're playing well. You're playing well. You're giving me a lot of strokes today. Your club has fast greens. I have not played

well. I haven't played that much. And when I have played, I've played poorly recently. So... Are you going to throw a club today? You always throw a club. I never throw a club. I never throw a club. What I do is I go around and pick up the clubs that you leave on the green. Well, I need people to do things like that. like that. But anyway, let's get to the show, because I have a lot to get to today.

And a lot of it will be, you know, the draft recap, the Redskins draft recap. But before we get to that, last night was the NBA draft lottery in the Wizards. The Wizards basically got the next to worst pick they could have gotten. 10th was the worst they could have gotten last night. Sixth would have been the spot based on their record and the odds that they had going in. they got the ninth overall pick in a draft that appears to be to most very top heavy, meaning the top three picks, Zion Williamson, John Morant, and R.J. Barrett, Zion Williamson being the sweepstakes winner last night for the New Orleans Pelicans.

The Wizards have better chances of getting the first pick than they did the ninth pick. There was like 3.5% chance they fell to 9. It's unbelievable. It's so Wizards and it's so D.C. because they had a chance last night. And it really was like one of those opportunities that don't come in an actual game, Cooley, to change completely the fortune of your franchise.

You can do that in the NBA with one player. And this guy was the player. He's one of 10 to 15 players over the last 50 years that have been considered historic franchise-altering players. And they had a chance last night. Not to mention he is an absolute perfect fit for what the wizards have and need. Well, I mean, they need everything. He needs for everybody, but.

Yeah, they need everything. With Bealin Wall, he is a perfect fit. I think last night, too, was a blow, Aaron. I don't know if you feel this way, to the NBA conspiracy theorists. You know, who... You don't think they wanted... The NBA wanted New Orleans? When we got down to the final four, and then they took a commercial break,

and it was the Lakers, the Lakers, the Lakers, the Lakers, the NBA, Lakers were in the final four. The Nicks were the odds on favorite for this thing, along with three other teams at 14% or whatever it was. The Lakers were not favored to end up in the final four. But when you had the Lakers, the Knicks, the Grizzlies and the Pelicans sitting there. But because the Lakers and the Knicks were there, it really, I think everybody went nuts, certainly on social media. People were going nuts that the fix is in, that either the Lakers or the Nicks, or it's going to go in order 1-2 Lakers Knicks so that they get the two players

Morant and well Morant and R.J. Barrett I guess are sort of equal in terms of the odds of either one of them being the second pick. But anyway I was so rooting for Memphis or New Orleans to get the number one pick and they did. They went one to

New Orleans won Memphis two. Now I guess a real conspiracy theorist might say well You can't pull off a conspiracy with something so obvious. We'll save it for officiating in games, you know, our conspiracy theories. But I think most people thought it would be the Lakers or the Nicks at that point. And they get, you know, they don't get Morant or Zion.

Did you have any money on this thing? No, no money on that. You couldn't get good odds. The Nicks, so many people were betting on the Knicks winning it that it was actually like only plus 300. Seriously? Yeah. Well, then I would have never made that thing. Exactly.

That would have been a stupid bet. Unless, of course, you believe in conspiracy theories, but it didn't prove out last night. The fallout from last night is the Pelican situation with Anthony Davis, and everybody now believing that Anthony Davis, who has demanded a trade, won't get traded now. Well, that doesn't make any sense to me at all. Anthony Davis himself was a number one pick overall. He played on a national championship team at Kentucky. He's been in the NBA and been one of the better players. why would Zion Williamson coming to New Orleans just automatically make him want to stay in New Orleans? I don't think that that'll, I think he's still going to want to trade. I still think he does get a trade, especially, you know, even though New York didn't get the

topic, they still got the third pick. I still think that ends up getting packaged for Anthony Davis. Yeah, so there was that. Did you, what is Anthony Davis worth in a trade? If you were to build a young team around Zion Williamson and say, put it a year out, what do you get for Anthony Davis? I guess you could do it per current player. You get a lot for Anthony Davis. I think you get the three pick. I think you get next year's first plus a young player or plus another.

So you could go with the three pick this year. So you could have one and three? Yes. Yeah. So if you traded him to the Knicks, you'd get number three this year. Do you get a first next year and probably a player or two? So, yeah, you could, I mean, theoretically, you could, New Orleans could go Zion at one. And Zion's teammate, R.G. Barrett, R.

R.J. Barrett at three if Davis went to the Knicks. I still think the Anthony Davis trade stuff will be a huge feature of this offseason in the NBA. Meantime, they actually had a game last night. It was the Western Conference Finals, Game 1. Sort of. Did you why? Yeah, it was sort of a game. Have you been watching any of the NBA players? Yeah, actually, I have been watching. And I watched some of the Portland series with Denver. I watched. Why? Because were you a Denver? I was in Disney World and it was on and I needed something to watch. But I liked watching Denver play. Yeah. Denver should have won that series. Yeah, they didn't. I think Denver would have been a better matchup for Golden State. I liked Portland last night, plus the seven and a half. I didn't

play it, actually, but I liked it and I said it on the show. The big thing out of that game last night is Steph Curry went nuts. All right, he went nuts from behind the three-point line. He ended up with 36 points and shot on threes. Curry was 9 for 15. In fact, as a team, the Warriors went 17 for 33, and that was a big change from the Houston series where they didn't shoot the three well, Curry in particular. But last night, what was interesting

is the way Portland decided to guard the pick and roll with Curry. And they decided that Enos Cantor, in particular, whomever the big would be, would not double or hedge hard off of the pick and roll coolly. they kept the big back in the paint. So that meant when Curry came off that pick behind the three-point line, nobody was there. Yeah, they never touched him.

That's the way they decided to guard it. So Houston pretty much doubled it throughout the series, or at least hedged hard to force him out a little further and give whomever was guarding Curry in the moment time to recover. Terry Stott's is the coach for the Portland Trailblazers, and he was asked about this after the game. had some success, you know, trapping stuff and really getting out on them. Is this sustainable for you guys to keep dropping the big so far?

Did they, I can't remember. When he had 33 in the second half, were they trapping then? Yes. They were? And he scored 33 in the second half? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, we'll look at that.

We'll look at that. That's so dismissive. The point is it's pretty hard to guard Curry when he has it going, but they let him get going last night. That was part of the problem. The big problem last night, really more than anything else, is that Portland, who only had four turnovers in game seven in Denver on Sunday afternoon, had 21 last night, and most of those were through the first three quarters of the game.

And Lillard and McCollum, who combined for one turnover in a seventh game, had 10 combined last night, and that was the ball game. They didn't protect the ball. You turn it over 21 times. It led to 31 warrior points and it ended up being a blowout. I mean, the other thing is they made three threes between the two of them. Yeah, they didn't shoot it well either. Lillard and McCollum aren't going to shoot. Yeah, they... What are you going to do?

Yeah, so that series goes one-nothing warriors. Do you buy into the exhaustion theory? Actually, I think sometimes when you play that seventh in deciding game and you win it and it's really emotional, and by the way, the Warriors had a very emotional finish to their series as well. And that came Friday night in Houston. Sometimes you can carry that over with momentum into game one and have a shot. I think that's why I liked them. But were they emotionally drained from the Denver game?

Apparently so, because of the turnovers. A lot of them were defensive forced. I mean, the warriors did a really good job of essentially doubling McCollum early every time he got it. And they did the same with Lillard. They were going to make everybody else beat him except those two. And what happened was the turnovers. Like, it's one thing to shoot it poorly. McCollum was seven for 19 and Lillard was four for 12.

Jesus. Lillard now in the last two games is seven for 29 from the floor. He did get to the free throw line last night, but he had seven turnovers. These are two really good ball handling, ball protecting guards, and they had 10 turnovers combined. I know you like all of this, but to me, the Warriors played different, obviously, without Kevin Durant. They play hero ball or ISO ball with Kevin Durant, way more than they do move the ball. And the original. And the original, original theory for the Warriors with Kerr and developing that analytic system for the best type of basketball was 350 passes a game. And it wasn't just because they got open looks and open shots.

303, I think, was the number. It was 300 and something. Yeah. It was between three, it had to be over 300, but it didn't, it had to be under 350, something like that. It made defenses have to move and it exhausted players on defense. So in turn, they weren't as effective. offensively, and it helped them create turnovers, and it helped them create shortened possessions,

and it's smart. And it's what the warriors do when they don't have Kevin Durant. Now, the more you watch Kevin Durant, you can't not go ISO ball. You have to give him the ball. He's so good from everywhere. But the last thing for me, it wasn't just that they didn't guard the pick and roll well, or they didn't hedge. They didn't ever bang him around.

You can't let Steph and Clay walk into shots, and they walked into shots all night. Yeah, they did. What you said, though, is so true. One of the things about Golden State over the years is they've been a highly rated defensive team, and people have said, wow, they're really good defensively. And Clay Thompson's a really good defender, and Draymond Green's a really good defender, and Igadal is a really good defender. Curry's not a great defender at all.

But one of the reasons they've had great defense, defensive results over the years is they have worn teams out with their offense. And therefore, teams got worn out defensively and therefore were more tired to run good offense. And that's what Houston doesn't do. You know, the pure ISO teams don't make you work. They let you rest on defense. Now, it is, that's a good phone ring. It's the worst. God, when did you switch? I mean, you had to find that ring. Let me hear it again. I want me to call you? I want to hear it again.

That's not a typical ring. Just as you call me, this year, Golden State, and last year I've given up 112 points defensively. Yeah. Before Kevin Durant, 104, 104, 99. They're giving them almost 10 points more per game. Why isn't your phone ringing?

Do you have the right number? Yes, I've got the right number. I don't know why it's not ringing. Okay. Try it again. I'll make it ring. I'll turn it on silent. I didn't, though.

It's on ring. Okay, whatever. But that's interesting that you give up eight to ten points more per game on average per season playing that type of basketball versus move the ball on offense. Yeah, no doubt. By the way, 12 players scored for the Warriors last night. 12. Do you know how unusual that is that seven players off your bench actually score points?

And I know they were blowing them out and they got guys into the game like, Damien Jones got into the game. He never gets into the game. Only one player that played late didn't score, but all of the sudden with Durant out, guys like Quinn Cook have stepped up. I mean, we know that Looney stepped up in Livingston. McKinney's played well. Jerebko last night had a really, really good game off the bench. He was three for five, had nine points. The Warriors. The only active player that didn't score was Jacob Evans.

Yes. He's the only player that didn't score. But you look at Livingston, four points, Bell, three points. points. Damien Jones three points. Bo get two points. I mean, it's not like they scored. It's just weird to look at a box score and see 12 players that had scored

out of the 13, basically, on your bench, on your whole team. But anyway, it was an impressive win. Warriors are up 1-0. Tonight is Eastern Conference Finals, Game 1. I picked Toronto before the playoffs started Cooley. I'm rooting for Toronto. I'm a huge

Kauai Leonard guy, but I don't think really that they got a great chance to win this series. I would pick Milwaukee. I'd pick Milwaukee in either five or six. I'll just call it five right now. And I think we're about to see Janice's introduction to the casual sports fan, who barely pays attention to the NBA at all, even doesn't pay attention in the regular season, barely pays attention at the beginning of the playoffs. And right now, sometimes they wait until the finals, they start to pay attention. And I think Janus is about to go off. The only way Toronto can win this series is they've got to get other players to contribute,

not do what they did in game seven against Philadelphia, where it was all Leonard. Lowry's got to have a big series. Seacom's got to have a big series. But I like Milwaukee, even though I'm rooting for Toronto, but my pick is Milwaukee in five. All right, let's get to the Redskins. You ready? I want to do something. I like what you're going to do because it's a new way to try to entrap me.

No. So I got to battle through it again. Hold on for a second. I said to you before we recorded this, I said to you, I want, before we get to each total recap of the draft going player by player and getting your thoughts on these players now that you've seen more of them and perhaps you even saw some of them at mini camp over the weekend. I wanted to go through some things about the draft, about the decision making, and I was going to do it in true, false form. And I said to you, I'll share the questions with you up front. if you don't feel comfortable, we won't do this. And you said, no, have at it.

So there's no entrapment because you said, have at it. And I said, you can say true, false, or I'm not really sure. Or you can say, my hunch is, that's true. Which I would rather have a true false or my hunches that's false or my hunches that's true than a bunch of I don't know. I just want to preface this with this. Because I think you do know a lot of these answers or have hunches on a lot of these answers. Yes. A lot of times when you think about the Washington Redskins, if you think hard about it, you can come up with the right answers.

I was not here during the draft. I was not in the draft room. I was not in the building. But you talk to a lot of people, and you have hunches on a lot of these things. Don't talk to too many people. Okay, you have hunches on a lot of these things. I just know everybody. So I know I have opinions. So you can say, can I say like opinion true? Just say my opinion, my hunch, true, or false. All right. You ready? Here we go. I'm going to rip.

through these. Taking Kyler Murray out of the discussion, Kyle Smith and the college scouting department liked but didn't love any other quarterback in the draft. True. Jay Gruden and his offensive

coaches liked but didn't love any other quarterback in the draft. True. Kyle Smith in the college scouting department had somewhere in the neighborhood of a late first or second round or lower grade on all of the other quarterbacks in the draft not named Murray?

My opinion is, yes, I don't know what they had for a Daniel Jones grade. That's been floating around is that they loved Daniel Jones. But I'm going to say true because I had a second round grade or worse on every one of the quarterbacks in the draft. All right, let me rephrase that just so we can get clarification. taking Murray and Daniel Jones out of the equation. Every other quarterback they had somewhere between a late first or later, late first to second round or later grade on every other quarterback.

I would say true. Okay. Dwayne Haskins at 15 was Dan Snyder and or Bruce Allen's pick more than anyone else's in the organization? My hunch is true. Well, you just sort of answered that by saying that there was, you know, Well, I think it's been reported over and over again, and it hasn't been refuted. More specifically about Daniel Jones, the football people, which includes Kyle Smith and his staff, and then the coaching staff, may have been divided or were divided on the highest rated quarterback after Murray because some liked Jones and some liked Haskins. True or false?

I don't know. I would say false, and I would back that with, I think they viewed four or five guys as pretty much the same kind of guy. Okay, fair enough. And if it was Jones, if that were the case, it wasn't half a round higher. It wasn't that kind of love for Daniel Jones. I just can't see that. At 15, if Haskins and Jones were both on the board. they would have taken Dwayne Haskins, true or false?

If you want to play this game the way you played it, I've already stated that I believe that Dan made the pick. So yes, true, I think you would have still taken Haskins. I think that's true too. By the way, I like Haskins more than I like Jones. Okay. As it stands, I would have taken Haskins before Jones if that was the choice at 15. What don't you like about Jones?

What didn't you like about Jones? ceiling is not high enough for me. Okay. Is his floor higher? Yes, but I'm not sure exactly what Haskins' floor is. Haskins per fit in organization and team and people around him. I would say they're similar in terms of floor. Haskins has more upside.

I like Jones. I see him as a guy that's going to come in and operate, if you ask him to operate on a pretty high level because he's done some. much of the NFL stuff, and you see him make anticipation throws on West Coast concepts and timing routes a lot. But you see him miss some things that he shouldn't miss, and you see him force some underneath stuff. So I don't see him as high, high ceiling, but I do see him as he will come in and understand an offense quickly. Okay, you've made it clear just here that you had Haskins rated higher than Jones. Yeah. If Dan had not had influence over the first round

in this draft and it had been just Kyle in the scouting department, you know, in, you know, sort of a consensus building exercise with the football people. And Jones and Haskins were both on the board at 15. And they were told only one thing by Dan. And that is, you've got to take a quarterback at 15, because I think we both said, and I felt this way, and you've confirmed it, that they wouldn't have taken a quarterback at 15 had they been following their board. But if they were told, have to pick a quarterback, I don't care who it is, would it have been Jones? Jones or Haskins. I don't know the answer to that question.

Okay. True or false? That said, though, both of them on the board at 15 would have given your pick a lot of value with the Giants sitting at 17. And anybody else having to trade above New York if they liked any of those guys, it would have given your pick a lot more value than it was. I don't think they even considered moving out of that pick. I actually heard that nobody in this year's draft really mentioned a 2012-first.

Throughout the first round, with all the teams trading back, No one was going to give a 2021st. Remember, you and I talked about that two weeks ago and said, that would be really ideal if you could get a 2021st and make that rose-and-trade because you'd get a guy that you could see for a year, and you'd know if it wasn't your guy. You have two first next year to go up and get whoever you want, be it Tua or Fromm.

Right. I don't like the kid from Oregon as much, but whoever comes up through the year. True or false. If Haskins hadn't been picked at 15, he wouldn't have been taken in the first round. I think there was a chance that he could have fallen out of the first round. But there's no way that I can answer that question because you're saying, does any of the 32 other teams not take him? But that said, the next quarterback didn't go until what, 38, 40?

By the way, I think somebody would have picked him before the end of the first round. I think, and I've heard that the Patriots would not have taken him. Okay, so let's play that game. I think the Chargers could have taken? No chance. You don't think the Chargers would have taken Haskins? No, zero chance. Why do you say that?

Because Philip Rivers is not done in the next three years, and you're not looking for your quarterback's replacement in the first round if he's going to play for more than three seasons. Okay. I don't see Philip Rivers coming to a close in his career in the next three seasons. Oakland was another team that was in there. Oakland was not drafting a first-round quarterback. John does not play rookie.

quarterback and does not like rookie quarterbacks. He wouldn't have taken him. Someone was going to have to trade back up into the first. Denver was still sitting there at 20. They ultimately took Drew Locke in the second round. Didn't Denver trade up to get Noah Fan at 20? They traded back with the Steelers from their pick at 10 and ended up with the Steelers pick at 20. And that's where they took Noah fans. So Denver would have been the one team you would have really worried about taking half. I think you could, you bet he's not going to wear seven in Denver.

I think you may have worried about Tennessee at 19. No, they are committed. You think they're committed to Marcus Marriota? Yeah. All right. They're going to build an entire offense around him. All right, next, true or false. With Arthur Smith or Arthur Smith as their new O coordinator.

Some key football people in the organization, Kyle Smith, scouting staff, Jay Gruden, his offensive staff, preferred Josh Rosen for a second and say a fourth over what they did at 15. True or false? I don't know the answer to that. I don't. I'm 50-50.

that. I'm sure someone in the building preferred that pick, but I don't know the percentage of what it was. I watched all of that Rosen stuff, and there was a lot to like about Rosen, but there's a lot to dislike about Rosen. The reason you like that trade and that pick is because it gives you security to draft another quarterback next year if it doesn't work out. You're eating no salary. You're giving a second, which doesn't cost you hardly anything for a quarterback that was taking 10th overall. It's, it was the safest move. True or false. Whether he's ready or not, there will be front office pressure, aka Dan, all right, to play Haskins right away. No, false. There will be pressure to play Haskins right away just because of what it is. I think

when you really look at it for J, I think if I were J, I'd want to have success with Haskins right now. I'd want everybody to know, look, I can develop this quarterback, and I can build a team around this quarterback, and I should be the head coach of the future because of my ability to develop this quarterback. And look at the staff that I have around me. Kevin O'Connell was a quarterback. You have Doug Williams in the building. You have your new quarterback.

Tim Rite was a quarterback. Tim Rite. You have a lot of quarterback, Alex Smith in the building, Colt, K, all these guys are going to help develop this quarterback. He's going to have a lot of. lot of advantages. You said to me the day after the first round that Case and Colt want to play. It's not going to be like they're sitting there. Hey, we're here to develop Dwayne Haskins. No, they do want to play, and it's a bad spot for both of those guys right now because they're

not going to be given the benefit of the doubt by the fan base, not that they necessarily care. But I think we said this five years ago when Kirk Cousins came in for Robert Griffin. He essentially has to win five of six games or six of seven games. it's got to be a massive heater. So there may not be the unbelievable pressure to play Haskins in the first game. There's going to be a plan of when you want to play him. The interesting thing about what you're talking about is that if Jay Gruden decides that his path to being here beyond 2019 is to get Haskins in there early and develop Haskins, the probable result in year one is a non-playoff season. more likely than not a losing record season in the first year of a quarterback.

Whereas with Case Keenham, and that was going to be my last true, false question, and let me get it in real quickly. Jay really likes Case Keenham and thinks he can win this year with Case Keenum starting a quarterback. True or false? True. Okay. But I don't know if Jay would, Jay is a confident guy, and Jay believes in what he does. I understand.

So I don't know if you were to say 100% true or false, can you win with Haskins? He doesn't know right now. He will know as you get to training camp if he can win some games with Haskins or not. But there will be a plan for when you'd want to play Haskins. And I think everybody understands that is if things aren't going well, it's week six. What's safer for Jay or what's better for Jay's long-term coaching prospects in Washington? To develop Haskins and go 5 and 11, but he is showing promise of being the quarterback they wanted in 2019. or to start case,

you know, perfect 7 or 11 on the come-out roll, go 9-and-7 and make the wild card. Haskins plays none in the 9-and-7 year. Say again? Does Haskins play 0? Case Keenheim's your starter all year long, and you end up with a wild card, you know, number 6-seat playoff season.

Which is better for Jay? I think the former is better for Jay. I think the former is better for Jay as well, but think about how the 5-and-11 season would pan out. Let's just say, you know, hypothetically, you're in game. Case goes one and three and then he shows in. Sure, Case goes one and three for the New England game. Haskins comes in and make it one and four. Haskins comes in, performs well. You clearly see that there's talent that needs to be built around him. And maybe you trust that some of the young guys are going to grow into that talent.

Defensively, you look much better this year. You don't have the New Orleans game. You don't have the Atlanta game. You certainly don't have a 40 to zero halftime deficit to the New York. giants. You don't have those big losses. You're competitive in everything. You lose a couple tight ones. Then that 5 and 11 thing is not as bad as the 5 and 11 record, but you also need Haskins to come in and have some success. But Jay did have success with Josh Johnson. And I'm not saying that Josh and Haskins should be comparable, but Jay had success with the quarterback that he had three days to work with. He's able to develop a plan to simplify. I think both, results, and remember, again, just emphasized, the 5 and 11 Haskins starts 10 to 12 games. It is, it includes

the information that Haskins really looked, you know, especially as we went along like he was really getting better. I think that would be good for Jay, but I also think that if Haskins never took a snap and Case Keenham was pretty effective and they had a good defense and they went nine and seven and lost a first round wild card game, that that wouldn't be a bad thing. for Jay either. I think it's debatable on both. I think the other thing that you would need, especially in the 5 and 11 scenario,

is that Dwayne loves Jay. And we hear that consistently. It's not the Mike Shanahan Robert Griffin situation where you know your franchise quarterback as Dwayne moving forward. And all of a sudden, Dwayne's got issues with the coaching staff. So what do you do?

That would be another thing that would help Jay, in my opinion, is to have, Haskins full-on endorsement. And I'm not saying Haskins is going to be sitting at Dan's table on the boat, like he just saw in Portofino on TMZ.

What? TMZ had a picture of Dan on his new boat and Portofino. With Haskins? No, no, no, no. But I'm not implying that that's the endorsement. But you remember the 2012 off-season? I do. That would hurt Jay.

It would hurt you a lot. In either way. But you got to realize that, if you were to go 9 and 7 with Case and even make the playoffs, it's 100% Duane's team at that point after the season. Yeah. It is 100% Duane's team. And having not played him, we better have a dynamic plan

and understanding of what Haskins would potentially be going into the next year. Did he get better not playing? I had this guy from the Action Network on the show yesterday. Did you listen to it or not? You didn't. I didn't listen to it. Yesterday, I was driving and it pulled up the Vinic Sorado episode again. I didn't see your new episode.

Really? Really? That's weird. Maybe it was my phone. It could have been, but the new episode was up. But anyway, this guy basically wrote an article that said you, more times, you know, he started off the article by saying, you know, Dave Gettelman talked about the Green Bay model and the Kansas City model.

And the truth is that those are really, you know, two of the only examples of a quarterback sitting and then coming in and being great. You know, that more times than not, if a rookie quarterback sits and doesn't play it all year one, it's usually because he's really not good enough, ultimately. And he had a list of quarterbacks that he went through that just, you know, that sat and didn't get better. And then guys that played right away and the second year's results were basically the same as the first year's results, very good. And his point was Mahomes, Kansas City blew an opportunity in 2017. They should have played Mahomes. That they would have had, they blew part of the window of winning a Super Bowl

or advancing much further in the postseason. And remember, Alex Smith struggled at times during that season. They ended up 10 and 6 in a wildcard game because they went, they lost. They won one and six in the middle of the season. They lost 6 and 7. And they were stagnant offensively. Yeah. There is one difference in these scenarios, though.

Alex Smith had been the quarterback for Andy Reed for five seasons. Brett Farr have been the quarterback in Green Bay for however many seasons. And so it was going to be really hard for Mahomes to come and win that job in training camp or even compete. And vice versa, Aaron Rogers wasn't going to win that job. You're looking at a Redskins team that has case. And Colt. And Colts had all kinds of issues this off season and is potentially a pup candidate if he doesn't get better. Which is why I would say to you, if he doesn't play and doesn't play early, it says something about him.

Yeah, it does. If he doesn't play, it does. It's not hard to protect him for five weeks. Even if they're close, it's not hard to protect him. Oddly enough, the best case scenario is, in my opinion, for his development individually, is for the Redskins to go, one in four, one and five, and him to come in with no pressure and then have to play a lot this season without pressure. Well, the best case is he blows everybody away over the next two months, three months.

He starts the opener. and they go 10 and 6 in the first year. Yeah, sure. You know, with a really good defense. I mean, that's the best case. Yeah, but that's 100% the best case. But by the way, Albert Breer, I don't know if you read his story the other day.

I did. Okay, so I know we've talked about this before, but it was basically confirmed that Jay Gruden really hasn't spent much time or certainly not as much time as he did this past off season, evaluating quarterbacks. You know, this was the, He said, this is the first time since 2011.

This is the most I've ever been involved in really looking at quarterbacks. They weren't going to draft a quarterback. Okay. It was Kirk, and then they acquired Alex. They traded for one last year. Sure. So why you're not going to draft a quarterback after trading for Alex? I'm just saying.

I mean, you could take a guy in the fourth or fifth as a project. I'm just saying that I don't think it was just about the rookie quarterbacks. I think it was about all quarterbacks, including Alex Smith a year ago. Well, they traded for Alex before Jay had gotten into free agency. I understand that. So he was going to start evaluating. Alex Smith was not a good fit for Jay Gruden. You know it.

We saw it. But they made the trade anyway. Why? Because Jay wasn't as involved. And so I know that they were in the market for a quarterback this year, much more so than they have been. Although they were in the market for a quarterback last year as well after Kirk Cousins went to free agency and signed with Minnesota. And I think this year, potentially, Bruce, if he was watching, said, I need your involvement more this year because the trade we made last year and we want

Alex to get healthy, but it clearly wasn't the right fit for you. You've got to be involved in helping make this decision. Well, keep in mind that over the last two years, there have been multiple people who have come out and said one thing that Jay Gruden is incredible at is evaluation. I know. I mean, even Scott McLuhan is going to come out and say he's a great evaluator. Right. But they haven't used his evaluations enough over the years. at the most important position. And by the way, this year, even though they had him in there evaluating, and he liked Dwayne Haskins, didn't love him, liked him,

they went ahead and picked that quarterback at 15 much earlier than I think anybody would have wanted to pick him in that organization. But he loves him now, doesn't he? He loves him now. He better love him now. Yeah, you have to. He has to completely commit. Yeah, well, we know what Jay is.

Like, Jay can't come out in any way. He's going to make it work. This is more than go along to get along. He's going to move forward. This is bandwagoning if he didn't love him in his evaluations. He loves him now. The one thing I think is interesting about Breer, because I heard him on 106-7 the other day after his article. Yeah.

And he said this again. He said, yeah, I think I was the first to have that Haskins attended Bullis with Dan's son. They didn't go to school together. I know they didn't. Stop with that. Jerry wasn't at Bullis when Haskins was there. He's younger. They went to the same school.

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That's Stamps.com, enter Kevin, D.C. All right, let's go through this draft. I mean, a lot of these players we went through, you know, before the draft and several of them in that Friday after the first round with Haskins and sweat. But you did have a chance to see some of Mnicamp over the weekend, right? Yeah, I went. I've seen it all. Okay, you've seen it all. I've watched all the film of Mnicamp.

Okay. I went to Friday's practice. So let's start with Haskins. Your current evaluation, forget about what your past evaluation is. My past evaluation is my current evaluation. That's what you evaluate. Did anything change your mind over the weekend? No.

Okay, good. They ran 24-7 on seven plays two days in a row, and they're the simplest plays ever. So tell me what you think about Haskins right now. So this is actually the project that I'm currently working on. Wow, you've got a lot of paper in front of you. I am charting game by game on a scale of one to eight completions and one to eight negative throws, where Haskins threw the ball. Was it a completion with accuracy?

was it, completion with inaccuracy, was it a completion behind the line of scrimmage? For his college. Consistently throughout for his single season. So I've watched every game. I've now watched every game for the second time all the way through. Did you come up with the yards after catch number that you were trying to get? Well, yeah. I mean, for example, Tulane, 304 yards, 148 yards after the catch.

Penn State, 270 yards, 235 yards after the catch. Indiana. 455 yards, 232 yards after the catch. He's at least half in terms of yards after the catch, but out of 4,700, he's probably closer to 3,000. Don't you think a lot of college quarterbacks have a lot of... No, not like that. Here's the other thing.

So these are... I'm going to give you the positives, but here's the other thing. One, that jet sweep with the receiver, like Paris Campbell coming in front of the quarterback is not a throw. It's counted as a throw. drop off in front. Yeah. The forwards.

Throws behind the line of scrimmage, completions behind the line of scrimmage, seven two lanes, seven Penn State, six Indiana, nine Michigan State, like throws screens, throws behind the line of scrimmage, those are not hard throws for any quarterback to make. Right. Got it. So you have to factor into his statistics, how effective they were on throws made behind the line of scrimmage and yards after the catch based on those throws.

Like, that's a big deal. To me, you got to look at accurate throws. between 10 and 20 yards and accurate throws down the field to determine can the guy really spin it? That's one of the things that you really have to look at, and that's one of the things that Dwayne didn't do as much, but even when he did, still did effectively. So some of the bigger throws he made down the field, he was effective. He's not a 78% passer, a 75% passer if he's throwing more balls past five yards. I also looked at every game and charted how many times they ran one concept that NFL teams call

shallow cross, a 10-yard hook over the ball. crossing route underneath it, and then a receiver running or running back running kind of a wheel down the sideline, or an added picking shallow cross. And, like, for example, Indiana, 16 times in that particular game, they ran the same play. One, if I'm coaching high school or college, I'm running that play over and over and over. They can't stop it. No one in college stops that play. Especially if you've got athletes.

It's so unbelievably effective. And when you have athletes, it's amazing. And then you start. looking at big plays. And he made big plays in big moments. But he made, he had guys make big plays in big moments too. Like,

for example, in the Penn State game, they're down 2716. He throws a ball, he runs up in the pocket, throws across his body to a 10-yard dig route. Receiver makes a hell of a catch way back behind his body, opens up his hips,

and then breaks about nine tackles and scores from 35 yards after the catch. Right. And then down 27-21. Or 26-21. 26-21. It's a screen to Paris Campbell and he runs it for 30. Or it's a screen to, it's a screen. Yeah.

Those are two touchdown passes in big moments. Don't discount that. But those were not. The throw across his body, it was a hell of a catch, but it's still a big throw in those situations. So here's the thing is I think that he can make every throw. I think that he errs on getting the ball out of his hands early at times. And I think in that early situation, when you have to high, low, read zone defenders, it's just not as good in terms of high-low reading zone defenders.

I think he's good in the pocket in terms of footwork. He is a pocket passer. But when it comes to sliding and moving his feet, he is not a slide-move-your-feet in the pocket as much as he has looked to turn and run up in the pocket and then re-establish himself as a thrower, which gets his eyes out the field. And if you're not finding open receivers as you look back up,

you are in big trouble because he's not a big-time scrambler. He can scramble. He's gotten some yards as a scrambler. but he's not a dynamic, effective scrambler. He's going to have a lot more interior pressure in the NFL, so he's not going to be able to run up in the pocket. He is going to have to slide laterally in the pocket on the next level. He's also going to have a lot more play calls to handle.

He's going to have to be able to get verbiage out of his mouth as this goes on. And you can wristband the top 50 plays. And then there's a lot of plays that are going to be easy. But some of the longer play calls is something that he's going to have to negotiate, and you want to be able to operate quick and timing and tempo in the NFL. And on the other side of that, maybe Jay's got to adapt to that as well. And you've got to have some shortened play calls and some easier play calls and some one-word things. But look, I saw a guy that plays with a ton of confidence.

I saw a guy at minicamp in person that has a ton of confidence. To me, it oozes. He believes in himself. And that is so critical at that position that he knows he can get it done. You have to keep confidence in this kid. But I saw a guy that also knew that he had a bunch of underneath stuff available, and that's what he took. And there was some bigger throws that he could have had.

And especially when he has to move, he's missing bigger throws. He also could wait half a second longer to see the bigger throw develop, but he'll take the short throw. So he can be effective. He's got a lot of growing to do. He's got a lot of pocket stuff. that he's got to develop. He's got to be able to see and understand pressures better than he did.

He's got to be able to see and anticipate throws better. Because to me, he was a guy that threw to open receivers versus anticipated open receivers a lot more than I would have wanted him to. And I think, you know, there's some uncertainty there as to what his ceiling is. That's the question when you're drafting a quarterback at 15 in your franchise quarterback. You're not trying to draft what James Winston's been over the last. last six years. You're trying to draft a top 10 quarterback. And he has that ceiling, but it's just too much unknown. I still like Winston. I still think that the best is ahead of him.

I think it's so funny that Winston was a comp or anybody comp to Wayne Haskins to Winston. And if it did, it's just because of body type and that he's an African American, because they are two dynamically different quarterbacks. Winston is a throw the ball down the field, error on the big throw. And Haskins is a, I am going to try to pick you apart. quarterback. Right. I'm underneath and I'm going to try to find the easy open stuff. Couple of questions. Number one. How was he, you went back and watched all these games for a second time. I remember a lot of these games. How was he against the better defensive teams they played? Last year, Michigan State was probably along with Washington and the Rose Bowl, the two best

defensive teams. Michigan too. Michigan was highly rated defensively coming into that game. The problem with Michigan, and we saw that against a Ohio State is they had not played any really good offensive teams on their schedule necessarily until they got to Ohio State. But how was he against the best defensive teams, Michigan State, Washington, and Michigan. Well, Michigan State was his worst game in my opinion. By far, right? I think he looked awful in the Michigan State game. I don't think that he ever really turned it on. I think that they made some unbelievable plays on defense. I think they scored on defense. Their punter was incredible in that game.

It wasn't great against Penn State. He was good against Michigan, but he didn't challenge Michigan down the field with a bunch of big-time throws. Again, that one shallow crossing concept, they ran 15 times against Michigan. They completed or got yards on it 13 out of 15 times. A couple of them were long ones. And he missed another. The two he didn't complete were missed throws on big-time opportunities. So, yeah, he was much better against.

average defenses. If you look at the first three games of the season, he's outstanding, man. He looks amazing. But if you look at a big-time defense, he's the average. That TCU game, there were a bunch of turnovers that led to Ohio State

winning that game. TCU should have won that game. Yeah. And oh, here's the one thing I don't want to hear. Look, again, I think he can make a ton of throws. I like him. I think when I said I don't like the, pick. I don't like Haskins at 15. I saw him as a second round pick. That doesn't mean he can't become a great quarterback. I think there was too much unknown as to what the ceiling was. I would

have loved it in the second. And I like it more than any of the other quarterbacks besides Kyler Murray. Well, you liked Locke more. You're right. Yes. Let me rephrase that. I liked, I liked Locke the most because I think Locke made the most, I thought he had the most anticipation on his throws. And I think he was the biggest playmaker besides Murray at quarterback. He had, he was one of the guys that just didn't have receivers win. And it's hard when you don't have any receivers. Right. Because you look at a quarterback and you say, well, he didn't play well against Alabama and he didn't play well against Mississippi State or he didn't, well, you can't make throws for completions when your receivers are getting mugged down the field.

So yes, I liked Locke the most, and I think he has, I think he has the highest ceiling. He has a lower floor. But I thought he had the highest ceiling. I think Washington may have been ultimately the best defensive team they played in that Rose Bowl, and I thought he had a great first half, but really struggled in the second half of that game. No doubt. No doubt. Did he improve during the season?

Remember, this is his only season. It played a little bit the year before, but in terms of a full. full-time starter. It was one year. Did you see him improve in some of those areas that you may have some concerns about? No, not in particular, not massive improvement, but the one thing that I am impressed by was he set a pretty good standard for the first four weeks of the season. He was pretty good in the first month of the season. Right. So against, I mean, TCU was pretty good. So one thing I do like is that I get a pretty good feel that he can take over and grasp and lead and be the guy from week one.

Who is his NFL comp? Is it Ben Rotheltsberger? He doesn't buy time in the pocket like Ben. And Ben is a downfield thrower. Will he be big and strong enough to shake people off to create more time like Ben does? I think he's got that ability. He's in person, he looks like a tied end.

Yeah. Yeah, he's a big strong. Does he use that, in your opinion? Do you see that? No, I don't see a lot of break, tackle, shake guys off. But I also see him not getting hit that much in the pocket. But that's the way he operated last year, he will get hit in the pocket. You can't run up in the pocket.

That's his move, is to plant run up in the pocket versus slide up or slide in laterally step. Can't they teach him to slide? Yes, that's something that he can continue to learn. Yes. You mentioned the receivers that were constantly open. Right now, we have a team that doesn't, at least as of now, we don't have a lot of receivers that are going to get open right away. You know what's interesting? So they draft Terry McLaurin, and I like McLaurin in the third round. But you're mentioning these receivers. I would have tried

hard to trade up into the second to get Paris Campbell. I would have been making calls to get his guy who was the more I watch Ohio State, a first rounder. Paris Campbell is a damn good receiver. And he is a run after the catch, do anything you want him to do, natural separator speed guy. I would have been trying hard to get back up into the second. He didn't go until the 59th overall pick to Indy. I know. There were several receivers taken before Paris Campbell, a lot. I would have been trying to get A.J. Brown from Ole Miss.

AJ Brown went at 51. The kid from Stanford? The kid from. Yeah, our Sega White Side. Our Sega White Side. You liked him? UMass. I did.

Oh, the UMass. kid is a, Isabella is apparently can really run. He's a freak. Yeah. You mass hurt him a little bit, or he's a first rounder. Yeah, he went to the Cardinals. The Cardinals had a really good draft. And D.K. Metcalfe, who you didn't like, and a lot of people didn't like him either. I like Brownmore as well, and I love Paris Campbell. But Metcalf went all the way at the end of the second round. When remember, three weeks before the draft, he was potentially a top 15 pick in the draft. Yeah, you're projecting. Metcalf to be like one of those LSU receivers that had no production but has the athletic ability and speed.

He just doesn't have enough in and out. I'll bet you Metcalf's hurt on average five games here. Metcalf, yeah. Yeah, he has a body type that looks like he's an injury. Yeah, it's almost like a Michael Westbrook body type from way back. You didn't, you don't remember. He's the Loran Landry of wide receivers. Right.

The last thing on Haskins before we get to sweat. if they don't have the receivers that can get open, is it going to be very difficult to evaluate them? No. I don't think it will. I think it'll be easier to evaluate. Can he anticipate and make throws and make throws into tight windows?

And even if those are not completions, are they the right throws in the right spots with accuracy and anticipation? All right, let's get to Montez-Souet. And by the way, how does he continue to develop and move in the pocket and not get sacked? That was my concern for Haskins going into the draft was I said if he comes in and plays in his first year, he's going to take a lot of hits in the pocket. I think he had a benefit of coming here because right now he has a good offensive line.

You do. You really do here. It might not be the best in the league, but you have guys that can protect. So I said this the other day on my podcast. If he takes 50 sacks, don't blame it all on the offensive line. It won't be, unless they're all banged up throughout the year like they were last year. Right. But it's going to be him if he takes 50 sacks.

One last one on Haskins. Do you still, after your evaluation a second time, going through every game and charting every throw, do you still feel about him the way you did before the draft, before the Redskins took him, that he has high bust potential? Wow, that's quite a delay. I don't, well, you did this with Vinny the other day, and he said, well, I'm thinking. Not high bust potential, but I think he's got high 20th best quarterback in the league potential. Well, I mean, that's a starter.

Like, he's a good short to okay intermediate passer. He doesn't make as many big time throws as people have given him credit for. He doesn't operate as well under pressures I'd like to. He doesn't speed up the process to pressure pressure. I think that he needs guys to make plays for him in the first couple years. Every quarterback does, but I think that he's going to need some help. And the one thing that would keep him out of bus is if he makes enough plays that he keeps his confidence. Because for a young quarterback, they have to continue to believe that they can make all the plays.

Actually, I have two more on Haskins. Sorry. One, is he a good fit or not with what Jay Gruden likes to do the most? No. But that doesn't mean that Jay can't adjust. He's not a good fit for what Jay's attempted to do in the past few years, which is try harder to get the ball intermediate to deep downfield. Read things out deeper to shorter.

Jay doesn't operate in a lot of quick game stuff. Jay doesn't operate in a ton of play action stuff. Haskins had a lot of success off of play action stuff. Jay's going to have to go more gun. He's going to have to have some gun play action. he's going to have to have a better RPO scheme because I didn't think that their RPO scheme was incredibly enlightened in the way they ran it last year. They just ran RPO.

I think other teams do a better job of it and building off of that. But that's on Jay. McVeigh would have been a good fit for Haskins. Yeah. He would be ideal because he is a short game, get the ball out of your hand and intermediate play action stuff. Like that's the thing Sean does so well is the intermediate play action. It's not just play action to get the ball down the field. It's play action to throw a 10-yard pass.

When will we know? And I'm talking about like OTA's training camp. When are we going to know that, you know, based on what Jay says, I've talked a lot about, we'll hear Jay in his press conferences after practices, et cetera, and we're always able to read Jay if he's not totally direct to begin with. when are we going to know whether or not he's legitimately ready to play this year? They should know by the first week of training camp. They should have a good feel within the first week of training camp.

Did he learn the offense enough to dictate it and call it in the huddle? By the way, when Donovan was here, we struggled to call plays in the huddle for the first couple weeks of the season. And it's not because he wasn't a smart guy. It was a different offense. didn't learn the language the way he needed to learn the language. Right. They'll know as he operates through that first week of training camp, but they'll know those intangibles as to you read him X play.

He recites X play. He understands said play. Then receiver comes to him and says, hey, hey, hey, what do I got here? What have we got here? And you see him dictating and making those movements, checks at the line of scrimmage, sliding his line to different looks. They'll know that that you won't see in training camp from the side. sideline because you won't hear it. And you won't see him in the meetings and how he's studying,

how he's working. They'll know in week one of training camp. All right, let's get to Montez Sweat. I've said here a couple of times on the podcast and tell me if I'm right or wrong, that with this particular position, when it comes to the pass rushing element of this position, that you find out pretty quickly what you have with a guy like Sweat. Is he really that edge guy with the burst or tackles, you know, finding it difficult to deal with him in training camp, et cetera. Is that right or wrong? He's amazing. Yeah, he'll be that guy. He'll stand out in training camp. Here's the thing with sweat. So, and I've seen him in person, I've watched him run. He ran a 4-4-1. He ran a 703 cone, so he transitions well. He ran a 4-2 shuttle. He had 22 sacks in two years. He had 22 sacks in two

years. He would have done every bit of that at the combine. He would have ran a four, five, one had he not trained one day for the 40. It's like the Daryl Green natural athletic speed. He's the kind of guy that you don't even really want him to lift that much. You don't want to put extra muscle, extra anything on his joint. You want to keep him as raw as pure as he is in his current physical form. He's a freak. He's what every scout says is twitchy. So yeah, He's also long, too, isn't he? He's long. He's got tremendous power.

He gets the tackle off his spot as a rusher so he can get up and under. Like, he creates a bigger B gap to get underneath by his outside burst up the field. Right. But he can still, he does that because he can still turn the corner. He's fluid. He's got good body lean. He plays with good hands. I think he's strong and brute like at times in the run game.

Like, there is nothing that you see on film. besides maybe effort in certain situations that you don't like about Montres Sweat. He fell because he's asked to leave Michigan State for whatever reason. They know. I don't know. He has a heart condition and apparently he's hard to coach, which I don't care even a little bit about. I don't care if I babysit a guy that's going to get 14 sacks.

I'll babysit Vaughn Miller all day, man. I'll hang out and rub his back during meetings if he can get me 14 sacks. Here's the difference between Montreau-Swe and any guy that gets 10 sacks. Like, he can get 15. Like, there are three or four guys in the league that can get 15. They're 25 that can get 10. You don't have any concern about the character stuff? I have concern about the character stuff.

I don't have concern about the coaching stuff. The hard-to-coach deal. I'm going to adapt my coaching style for someone like that. And it's the world we live in. It might not be fair. And Ryan Anderson ain't going to get coach the same way as Montre's sweat. It's just not. You see him immediately having an impact this year.

I do, yeah. Yeah. It might not be a 15-sack season this year as he adapts to the true power and speed of the sets of the offensive line in this league. But as he develops his moves and his repertoire for that type of guy, yeah, he's also the guy that when you get it, like Doc Walker, always says this. We got the JV team in there. We better get some sacks. He will destroy lesser talent. He will take advantage of lesser talent because of its speed.

He'll scare people. He, to me, has the potential to be an all pro, not just a first round pick that could be a pro bowler. The character stuff would be the heart stuff, the character stuff would be your concern for bust. But his ceiling is high. Yeah, I mean, Shanahan said he's a top five. talent. He was a top five talent in this draft. See, I think it would have been interesting. You left

this out of the true falls. If it were just based on grade and scouting, they would have taken sweat at 15. I think they would have taken sweat at 15 over anybody else there. And it would have been based on how the draft went a bit early. I mean, he went at 26, but yes. Yeah, but had you taken him at 15, it would have been like when John Ellen fell to you. Wow. Wow, he fell all the way to 15. Right. No one a week before the heart thing had him out of 10. That's right.

All right. What about Terry McLaren? Terry McLaren is a big-time speedster. The one interesting thing about Ohio State is he played 50% of the snaps. They have six receivers who are dynamic, talent-wise. But I like Terry McLaren as a guy who can get down the field. I think Terry McLaren has good hands. he's a body catcher a little bit at times can be he's not a pure hands guy he's a little bit

raw in terms of route runner like i would describe if i'm coaching a but telling you i've been working with young tied ends the key at the top of the route stem if you're going to run a let's say a hook is two steps and you're out of a break if you get into that third step it's fine McLaurin is four or five so he's got excess movement at the top of some of his routes. Which means one you won't create as much separation. You're not going to create a he's not a intermediate blow you away separator. Right. Because his speed from point A to point B is dynamic. His speed from point B to point C is average. And that's why he's a third round pick. But I like him. He'll get after it in terms of blocking, which I like. That was another

big part of Ohio State in terms of yards after the catch. They get on people. You can clearly see it's coached. I love the fit with Haskins. I think it gives him a comfortability level there. So I think third round was where anybody would have taken McLaren. He wasn't going any higher than that. It's no steal. You liked other receivers in the draft, though, more.

Yeah, I liked it. I had him about 10. Yeah. Bryce Love. By the way, on McLoran, do you think there's a chance that he plays right away, given their situation wide receiver. Of course there's a chance. You think it's a good chance?

Yeah. Who else are they going to play? Paul Richardson. They're going to play Paul Richardson, and they're going to play Josh Doxon, but Jay's M.O. is to play guys. Is McLoran an X? Probably he's more of a Z.

You could use him in the slot as well. I don't see him as a dynamic X because I don't see him as a guy you can throw a hitch to on third and five when you need a hitch. Not right now. But he can line up and run by people. That is something you need.

He's also not like an amazing double move down the field guy. His double move is average, and that's one of the big keys. Like for your ex, Sean called it this, I think. I think it was called this in Chanahan's offense, and I know it is in J's. It's a raid. They call it a raid route, which is a post-corner post. So you take it 10 to 12, take it three steps to the post,

three steps to the corner, and then take it to the post over the top. Those guys that can run that, Deshawn Jackson, where you can truly sell three steps of the post and make a mess of their pants as you go the next three steps of the corner. It means you're not only beating the corner on that move, that second move. You're beating the corner and the safety on the second move because of your speed. That's the guy that's the X. You loved Bryce Love like I did. Bryce Love is the X, man. How is Bryce Love not the first back taken if he doesn't have the ACL there?

Is he not the first back taken? Not last year. This year. I think this year, yeah, he would have been right up there. Where would he have been after last year? He had 2,100 yards for Stanford. I know, but last year there were just, you had, obviously you had Sequin Barclay, and then you had a lot of guys that he would have been in the mix with. He would have been Saquan Barclan.

Barkley was going first. Sure. Last year. And should have. But this year, the year he was coming out in the draft. Yeah. He would have went above Jacobs from Alabama. I think so.

Yeah. This year, without the ACL, he would have been a first round pick and maybe the first running back taken. All right. So let's not get this wrong. He's not a scat third downback, but he can be that. Oh, he can be that. But we're not, but he's a runner, too. I'm not going to categorize him. Like all these guys would do that with tied end. Like he's a Y, he's an H. The running backs, he's a first and second downback. He's a third downback. Bryce Love can be whatever you want him to be. He's look. He looks, I've seen him as well, I've seen all these guys. He looks like a back. He's 200 pounds. He's 5, 9. He looks like a back. They had an under center run game at Stanford, which I love.

Yeah, they had a pro-style offensive. They actually, this was amazing with Bryce. They would turn at eight yards and just pitch him the ball straight back behind the quarterback. Yeah. So he has great vision. Like you don't just turn and pitch a ball and go inside zone to anybody. He has a great feel for vision or for setting up blocks and for what he's seen. But he's got this unbelievable bird.

First, he is, he's Mike Trout, man. He just smash his home runs. Like, he gets into the secondary and he is going to take it to the house. Like, he's a house call threat on any. That's why I said to you when they picked him, I said he's got a lot of Chris Johnson in him in terms of if there's a seam, he's gone. He's gone. Nobody's getting him. No.

He's great at the angle he takes downfield. He can make a, like, you see him on, you see him make runs. You could watch the Arizona State game, like find the TV. copy if you can or go on the game on film. It's insanity. He had over 300 yards. He's got like four carries over 50 yards. It's unbelievable. But he can string cuts together where he can beat the backer. He can turn it on again. He can beat the safety, stiff on the safety, run through the safety, and then there's just another reacceleration. Like he's a little turbo like he re-accelerates as good as anybody as I've seen. Will he be that off the ACL? A lot of guys are. Yeah.

You know, it's a new thing in the last 10, years where the rehab and the surgery and everything's so good. But here's the thing with love. I thought he has patience behind the line of scrimmage to press the hole. I think that he has trust to hit a hole between the tackles hard. He ain't afraid to run hard downhill between the tackles. He's good on the second level at the linebacker level. He's amazing on the third level when he gets into the secondary. String cuts together very fluidly. Has an awesome hesitation step. He's tough to bring down on the open field. He's an unbelievable balance. Bryce Love has phenomenal balance.

There's just, there's so many positives about Bryce Love. As far as the negatives go, I saw this. He was defined by somebody as a frantic runner. He's not frantic. He's just that fast. And his cut string. I actually looked up, does anyone comp him to Barry Sanders? And he's not that because he doesn't get his feet displaced that far outside of his shoulders.

Like Barry Sanders used to have this base that, his feet were four feet apart and he's still making these cuts. But Bryce Love gets his feet separated and still is not losing any speed. He's so fast that at times he can't overrun a hole or he can predeterminate a cutback. I think those would be two negatives in the run game as predetermining some of the cutbacks and overrunning some of the holes. But some of the times he's getting to the edge so fast. You're like, holy cow. You'll like this.

This was maybe my favorite pickup of all the film, of all the draft picks. one, it's coached in college that backs are going to protect to a maximum. A lot of times they're not checking out because they're asked to insure protection. And certainly in his system too, in Shaw's system. Even if your backer or your secondary guy doesn't come in a six-man protection, chip, help. Right. But he is excessive in his help in the backfield. He's slow to get out.

I know he's really, really smart. though. It's got a medical background from Stanford. Everyone says he's incredibly bright. I know he's smart, so I know he'll be able to do this. But I saw this so that I was wondering if he's seeing everything. He's a 98% tell on run pass. I played this game for two games. In the past game, you see his head side to side to side, scanning, scanning, scanning. In the run game, he is dead ahead, straight ahead. I'm sure no one picked it up. I'm sure no one told it. Will you please tell him? Yeah, we just did. When you are in the past protection, you cannot scan every time.

Like, you were looking all over the place. In the run game, you're like, here we go. I'm going to run the ball, that head. So I thought that was interesting with Price. But a lot of that's a college thing. That's a scheme thing. I think you made a point, and I don't know if I'm right or wrong, but in David Shaw's system, they went max protection a lot for their quarterbacks on obvious passing downs.

By the way, no team in college football ran it more on third. Nate with a running back, especially with love in 2017, than Stanford did. You know what's funny? Third Nate, we're running the football. He wasn't their third down back most of the time. He was, but Shaw was very conservative as a coach. Sir Nate, let's give Bryce the ball on a draw. Exactly.

Because it might be a house call. Exactly. I think he can be a versatile pass catcher out of the backfield. I totally agree. I thought he was a dynamic route runner, showed good hands when he had to catch the ball. It is a great pick for them because you don't know the longevity of Chris Thompson with his career. Is he going to be here through another year? Does he have another injury year?

You can pop Bryce for the first eight weeks of the season because you have no hurry to play him. If AP's running, Geis is running, and Thompson's healthy, you can give him the entire year. It's a redshirt year if you need a redshirt year. And it's better they detour it in the last game of last year than the first game of the preseason like Geist did. Right. When do you think he'll be back? I think he'd be ready to play in November. Okay.

So this is really more likely than not. This is a 2020, you know, hopefully with. Haskins in his first full year of starting if he comes in in week six or seven and you got a quarterback and a running back. 2020, it's Geis and love. Yeah, not a bad combo. I'm not concerned that he gets better from this injury.

I think he gets better from this injury. If he gets better from this injury, he's going to be a better back than Geis. He's going to be a better threat and a better running back and he's going to be option number one for this football team. If he comes off of this injury, healthy, back to where he was

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Call now. 86690 Nation or go online at windonation.com. That's 86690 Nation or Windonation.com and tell them that I sent you. All right, let's move through the rest of this draft. What did they get with Wes Martin, the guard out of Indiana? They got their starting guard this year. They did. I think Wes Martin is a starting guard.

He's smart. He doesn't make mistakes. He gave up two total sacks in the last two seasons. Two seasons, two total sacks. He is awesome in terms of punch, hands, incredibly strong. You see him lock on and you are going, wow, this dude is, his grip has looked like he's been bailing some hay. Right.

The thing I really like about him, though, is... Big country boy? Big country boy. Is his ability to create movement, and he uses his hips really well. You get that hip thrust motion from a lineman. It's so important because a lot of these guys don't have that great hip thrust. They just have a hand and a punch. He hits guys and he moves guys, and he's physical.

He did a phenomenal job working with the center or with the tackle in terms of double teaming and creating good angles to the second level of the linebackers. His run game stuff is awesome. His base is good. His hands are good. His hips are good. He understands leverage. He understands positions.

And he accelerates into blocks with his second and third step, which I absolutely love. He did have a good sense for stunts and for things in the past game as well. The negatives. Awkward in open space. Like almost bad as a polar. As good as his hips were in that situation, he's lost. He's lost at times as a polar. He didn't pull a ton.

But he's not going to end up with. a defender in the battle before the runner even gets the ball? No, that's not him at all. I think he could do a better job of resetting his base and resetting his hands when he does get out leverage. And so it hurts him in terms of sustaining some of these blocks. Like just reset, take another step, repunch. He's not especially fast-footed as well. And so when he does get guys in space, it makes it tougher for him.

He also gets beaten and up and unders trying to keep that B gap because he can't plant and shuffle his feet as fast as you'd like him. So athletically, you see a little bit of issues there. And lastly, I'd like him to get his head up a little bit more when he is making impact at any time, not off the ball. Like three steps or further. He can get his head down. But he's excellent in line. He's consistent. He's strong.

38 bench reps at 225, by the way. He struggles in space. He struggles pulling. And he struggles with speed. So those are the things that you lack. But a 6-3, 310 pound smart guy, three and a half year starter at Indiana. I knew nothing about him. I watched two games.

They didn't even have a picture. I watched two quarters, and I said, I love this kid. And then I watched eight games and said, yep. And I went back, and he got better over the last three years. Even though he gave up another sack last year or two sacks last year, he got better. He's a good player. He's a starter. He's better than Eric Flowers.

We don't know what Eric Flowers looks like as a guard. Yeah, we know exactly what Eric Flowers is. As a tackle. Eric Flowers is a glorified Jonathan. He's an offseason Jonathan Cooper. I don't want to say that about him. Maybe he comes in and he's better at guard. Flowers wasn't, by the way, Flowers wasn't as bad at Jacksonville

in the last eight games that he played for the Jags. Okay. But he wasn't awesome. Pierce Parker, the center from Alabama. Oh, this is quick. He's a backup. He is a depth pick for short. He was a four-year starter at Bama.

He is not an athlete. He ran a 5-240, 22 vert, 20 benches, 7-8-3-3 con. These are the bottom five of his position at every one of these in the combine. he is a technically sound guy. You're not going to have to teach him. He is another very smart guy. And you know if you start for Sabin for four years. You're not making mistakes.

How athletic is Chase Rui? Not incredibly athletic. Can create movement when he's on a double team. He's got good footwork. He's got good hands. He's got good technique. He's got a good first step off the ball. He lacks his second and third step off the ball.

He lacks true dynamic punch. He does not thrust his hips. I'm glad we followed West Martin with him. He's more of an. ass out kind of blocking offensive linemen. He gets his weight too far forward at times on his toes, which hurts him in the past protection game. He gets beat on second move, spins, pushes, pulls, etc.

And he has a hard time moving his feet to pass off stunts. He is your backup. He's a guy that's going to know the offense. He's going to be able to fill in at guard or center. Played center last year at Alabama's played guard the last three years before that. So I like Pierce Bacher. He's a fifth or six-round pick. That's where he is.

I don't see him as a starter moving forward. forward, but you never know with these young kids how much they develop in their first three years. He's limited athletically. How much better off would the Redskins have been had they had Ryan Kelly slipped to them in the 2016 draft? Just a few more spots instead of Josh Doxon. All right. Next up is Cole Holcomb. The guy that can really run.

Yeah, North Carolina linebacker, 6-1-2-30. We ran a 4-48 at his. pro day. He was not a combine guy. Apparently that's voted on by all the scouts and coaches and stuff. They vote on these guys. He was not a combine guy. He ran a 6-7-7-3 cone. Like I always like to look at the 40-vers three-cone. Six-seven-seven is lightning fast in a three-con. You know 11-foot broad jump. Tell me, tell everybody why you like the three-cone more than the 40. Well, I like them both. But a D.K. Metcalf ran a 4-340 in a 7-3 cone. Yeah.

He can't transition speed. He doesn't have that quick acceleration. He's a straight-line guy. Yeah. Yeah. And Holcomb is... He's got some... He's got good hips.

He's fluid. He's got good movement. So the thing with Holcomb, this became so evident watching him. He is a primarily a responsibility sound player versus a playmaker. over and over and over. I noted he's a buildup speed guy to see it in front of him and then go an attack guy. He can burst, but you say just do it.

Like you have an open gap. Go make the play. Don't sit and hesitate. Perry Riley used to do this all the time. Right. And he does. He has some of those same things in the past game where he's zone dropping to a certain spot.

He doesn't quite get to his zone drop. The ball's out and he's still zone dropping to his spot away from the. the ball and you're like, dude, the ball's gone. Go make the play. So he slow plays everything. So first 4-48 speed, 4-48 speed, if I watched him on film, you wouldn't see it. Uh-uh. Yeah.

I can see him run. He's good at taking angles. He can run things down, but he doesn't play instinctually, and he doesn't play with 4-4-8 in the first two seconds of a play. He played with 49 speed in the first two seconds of play. He's undersized, too, right? No, he's 6-1, 231. So where will he, where would he play?

He looks like he's 17 years old. Where would he play? He's a special teams guy this year. I know, but as a linebacker. Inside line. Yeah, he's an inside. Okay. So here's Holcomb quickly.

He's physical. He can knife blocks. He'll take on offensive linemen. And when he takes a good angle to a shoulder, he can knock him back at times. He'll wrong shoulder things in the run game. He's not turning anything down. He's got speed to carry things vertically in the past game. So you like an inside linebacker who when they put a,

a big-time wide receiver in the closest in the slot. He call it number three. He can carry that guy vertically. I think he understands concepts really well. I do think that, you know, he has that makeup speed and he has the fluid hips to run, but I think that he needs to be more instinctual. I would also say this, and I will guarantee you this. I will guarantee you that in his defensive scheme in North Carolina,

they had him checking certain things before he was making. plays. They had him making sure he banged through number three before he got to his own. He's doing some things in past drops that you're going, I don't, why are you, that it to me seems like it's a coach thing. Will Minnowski turn him loose more? Again, I see Holcomb as an added speed guy. I see him as a special team guy in the first. So let's get to Harmon. Let's get to Harmon. Let's get to Harmon because I liked Kelvin Harmon and I thought he would have been gone much before he went in the sixth round. The wide receiver from NC State.

I know. I got another notepad for Kelvin Harmon. I see it. He's a big kid. Yeah. You know the one thing right away with Harmon? You can always find him. And some of these college jerseys are tough

because he's a hunched over stance guy. I don't have a problem with that, but he's a way leaned over stance guy. The positives, dude, gets off the ball. you can't jam him. One of my favorite games or one of my favorite film, I guess, games to watch was JMU and North Carolina State because Jimmy Morland had some battles, man. And Morland's a little guy, but Harmon is big physical dude and Morland would win one.

And then Harmon would come back and he would just knock Morland off the ball. He's a physical release guy. He's probably the best blocker I've seen at receiver in this draft. Like he's the best blocking receiver in this draft. He's a consistent route runner, and he consistently understands, like, depth and angles and where to get out of his breaks. And even after he gets jammed, he's got a good internal clock for getting to those depth. I think he has good ball skills, and he is primarily defined as a body catcher. He is 100% a body catcher.

But when it's displaced from his body, you can catch it with his hands. I was a body catcher. I don't hate body catchers. If you catch the ball, you catch the ball. I don't have a problem with body catchers. Some of the negatives, not great hips, not a fluid runner, slow in terms of the first two steps in and out of breaks. With suddenness, the quick twitch isn't there.

But he's got a chance, man. He's a big body guy who can run routes efficiently. He can't double move guys. he can't, but I do think he can get off the ball against press on third down and make some plays for you. Like I think that's the one thing that you have to have in the NFL is you have to be able to get off of press. And if you're the Redskins, like some of their big time struggles last year was not having their number one receiver get off press. Josh Doxon getting pressed nine yards down the field. And then quarterback has to look at it for how, is he going to win? Is he not going

to win? Like you'll know with Harmon. So on the wide receivers right now, I mean, do you see Harmon, Harmon. He's a sixth round pick. I mean, so was Robert Davis. We never saw him. I don't think, in a regular season game. Maybe. No, he was a trading game. Yeah. Um, does Harmon make the team? Yeah. Uh, who are the receivers this year right now? I mean, you've got Doxon, you've got Richardson, you've got Trey Quinn. Those would seem to be three guys that you want to get on the field with experience. Quinn is, as a slot. Doxon, you want Richardson's speed, which you didn't really only had, what did you have it for? Five games last year before he got hurt. And he was hurt in training camp, so you didn't have him really. And Jay liked Richardson. Jay was in on Richardson.

I think Jay was part of evaluating Richardson and free agency. And he liked them. Sure. So would you see those three right now, if they're healthy, as being the three guys that get most of the time going into this season? And by the way, this does, this sort of goes into, doesn't receiver take a while for rookies? Yeah, especially on the outside. It does. On the outside, it takes a while because you're seeing real speed and a lot more physicality at the corner position, and you're seeing a lot more dynamic coverages, like college

coverages, three quarters and some man. You don't have a bunch of coverages that you have to worry about. I think that Trey's going to play early and be your slot guy because Jay loves those option choice route guys and Trey understands it can win on those type of routes. Now, that said, if McClure could be that guy, he'd take that spot from him. But the rest of the way, like Richardson will have leg up for X, in my opinion, at training camp. Flip, go, let's go, let's go battle it out. There's nobody that's got a job.

Doxon doesn't have a job because he's played here for a couple years. McLaurin could be your main guy. Harmon could be on the field, a bunch. It doesn't, there's nobody that has a job. job right now. I think Richardson would have the leg up. He's healthy. He should have a job. Anybody else? Did you like

Cam Sims from last year? Everybody loved Cam Sims, but Cam Sims is always hurt. He's hurt at Alabama. Don't you think this is massively important for this team? Yeah. That they find some guys that can actually get open and really put some fear into a defense.

Yeah. Because they didn't have it last year. You have to for a rookie quarterback or for a quarterback who's in his first year of an offense, be able to know if your number one receiver wins. That's the biggest thing for the Redskins this year is, can you progress through your reads because you know right now? When the number one receiver wins, what is the second, what does the back-in coverage do to that?

Do you have an opportunity to throw it deep? And if not, how quickly can you get back down across the field? It also will end up resulting in how often you have to run against a loaded box if you don't have people on the outside that can win. And we don't know what Adrian Peterson is going to look like at 34 years old. And we're not even sure about Darius Geis at this point. But they want to run the football. Loaded box is important. And also having an effective quick game is another deal.

Like having some screen game on the edge, can guys get the ball in their hands and make some plays for you? You can open up your offense without having to run the ball. Do you have any feelings about Jordan Reed and Vernon Davis in the tight end position right now? I mean, are you – Yeah, I think that Jordan has a very important year for this organization to understand what he is moving forward and for his career moving forward. Can he be a guy that isn't a pure tendency? Can Jay get him involved in first and second down? Can he block enough that you can go play action?

and have it believable with Jordan, do you decide to make him more of a slot guy? Like if you're Haskins and you want to open it up with gun stuff, is Jordan your slot? Like, Jordan very well could be your slot. Can he play 75% of plays? Can they trust him to do that? There's a lot of that stuff that goes into it.

I still think that you have a deficit at the Y position. Nobody believes this, but I think Flanagan's your best Y right now. And Vernon is... I love... I love Vernon. Because he can block. And the thing with Flanagan is in... So I know Flanning.

I've talked to Flanning a lot. Right. He likes me because I'm pro-Flanning. Right. But he didn't get an opportunity really in high school to catch very many passes. Ran in a triple option. Went to Ruckers.

Didn't get very many passes. Went to Pitt. They liked him because he could run block. Didn't get very many passes. It's been here. Flannie's not slow, and he's not a bad route runner. He's not going to be sexy. But can your Y route runner run a stick at five yards,

run an eight-yard-out route, and make a couple plays in some soft zones? And are you willing to trust that they'll do that for you? Because he's your best blocker, and it's not even close. And it's not like he's J. Ramirezma. The Buffalo guy that you liked him. You had the shared agent, right? In college, no, in college, I was the run-blocking tight-ins for my first two years, even though I was the better receiver and they didn't know it.

So I wore a Ramirezman jersey in practice. I wrote Ramirezman on the back and then the other tight-end, Pupinga wrote Shockey because he thought he was not passing tight-end. So look, that was one position that you would have loved to address in free agency or address in the draft. But there wasn't anybody. You weren't getting Hawkinson. in my opinion the only real why in free agency was the kid in Baltimore that re-signed right offhand a kid in his name right now but there wasn't it wasn't a position that was easy to address it's why Hawkinson went eight whereas Hawkinson would have went in the second round four

years ago like Hertz Nick Boyle you like Nick Boyle I liked so you know by the way tell me about Jimmy Morland real quickly one it's hard to get you get your hands on Jimmy Morland film. You can't just get JMU film. Right, because it wasn't a D1 team. So I had a friend who scouted for another team that hooked me up with some Jimmy Morland film. I love Jimmy Morland.

Who was your friend that hooked you up? I can't tell you that. So tell me about Morland. He can play outside, he can play in the slot. He can play wherever you want him to play. Here's my favorite thing with Jimmy Morland. He's a motherfucker. He is like a badass.

He's a badass. You see him get beat? Yeah. Watch the next play. He is going to jam down somebody's throat. He's going to make a play. Yeah. He is tough.

He gritty. I love that. I mean, he is a football player. Like, Jimmy Morland is awesome physical. Why was he there in the seventh round? Well, we'll get to that. Look, he's got good position. He's got good instincts.

He plays with good eyes to the quarterback. He's a playmaker. He's got a bunch of picks where they're, not just tip balls into his hands. Like, I went and watched every pick because a lot of times you're like, hey, I had eight picks in 2017, and then you watch him in like four of them are, when Chris Horton got picks for the Redskins. Oh, okay, well, whatever.

Horton had that's a... One of my favorite things in college was he's tough to back shoulder. Like, he has great reaction to receiver's body language. He can key quarterback, but he's able to key and see the receiver. And that's keen eyes, right? Yeah, it's keen quarterback eyes and then key in receiver's body language. He doesn't buy bullshit fakes. He doesn't buy the...

the fake bubble, the fake screen. And he's nasty, man. You see him after plays. He's a trash talker. He gets after it. He's awesome, man. What kind of corner is he? He'll be your slot.

He can get big bodied at times in the negatives. You know, separation in his press bail, like he's a good press guy and he's a good off guy. I think press bail is where he struggled a little bit. And he gets a little handsy downfield, which you might get away with because you're Jimmy Moreland at JMU, and you're not going to get away with in the NFL. He didn't get drafted in the first six rounds because other than watching him play NC State, what did you watch him play? You watch him play South Dakota State and you watching him play nobody?

I can't even think of the names of the teams. But that doesn't matter. Yeah, it does because he's not playing against real speed. Yeah, but we've seen a lot of, you know. We've seen a lot of these guys become good players. Yeah, but we've seen a lot of them picked higher too. Well, we've seen a lot of them like Josh Norman, not picked at all. Yeah.

So you can't see how good he is against true speed. You can't see him against... Quincy Williams is a safety from Murray State. He was taken in the third round. So it's not like these guys don't get taken. No, these guys get taken. Yeah. But Jimmy Morland's a non-combine guy that you would have to go scout at JMU.

And JMU's close, and we had an opportunity to go scout him. I think he was one of the guys that our scouts loved. I think you love a lot about Jimmy Morland. But here's the thing. He's a seventh round pick, and it sounds to me like you think there's no chance he doesn't make this team. Oh, he makes the team. As a seventh round team. But here's the thing.

When I say, you know, address speed, he didn't have a good minicamp the first couple days. Speed was some, what of a factor? And it's a new defense as well. I don't, I think you ran a 4-4. He doesn't get run by. He does have good speed. I'm not saying he doesn't have speed, but you haven't seen his reaction time to three fast receivers on the field.

Got it. What about the last guy? Brailford. Anything on him? Broughtford's actually got some good edge skills. He's got some good technique on the edge. I think he had 10 sacks at Oklahoma State. He's like, why didn't he have 15 sacks?

He's playing in a league where they pass it 72 times a game. I like Brelford. He's in a tough spot, I think, to make this team. Because you have Anderson and you have sweat and Kerrigan's there. I mean, maybe he ends up being your fourth. I don't know exactly what you do and what you keep in that situation. What do they think about Ryan Anderson going into this season? I think that they would love him to be healthy and be able to be a strong side edge player

and develop a second pass rush move. or a move off of his first. How will it work at outside linebacker with sweat? Will he be an every down player? He better be. From the jump? Yes. Because worst case, we know he's a pass rusher from the jump.

No, no, no, no. He can play the run. I know he can play the run. But what I'm saying is that's the thing that you, you know, put him, if he's not grasping the system, if he's not up to speed, if they're not comfortable with him as an every down linebacker. So he's the new LeVaritan worst case scenario?

Worst case scenario, you'd turn him loose on third down. Second seven plus, here we go. But you think he's the starting outside linebacker opposite Carrigan day one. Today. Today. This is the other thing I love about that pick and getting up into the first round to get him. You have a guy now for five years, four years under a complete rookie deal, and then a fifth-year option on that guy. Like that's

On the first round deal That's another That's another reason that you take a quarterback In the first round Vers let him get to the second round Because you maintain that fifth year option On the guy Yep

So There's there's some good in that Anything else come out of minicamp From were you watching film That we haven't talked about? No Nothing else No undrafted free agent

That you were impressed with Or you know No Were any of these rookies just I mean other than sweat you really seem high on. I like J.P. Holtz, who was a fullback last year, didn't make the team, and then ended up resigning as a tight end a little bit.

J.P. Holtz looks good out there, but also he knows this offense. All right. That was great. That was great. I'm just trying to think if there's anything else while I have you here, not that I can't call you and get that information, but I think we've gone through everything, right? Through the draft. Yeah. Well, we've got to be. have plenty of time to get into the season and start talking about the season. We've got all sign for that. I think that we should collectively tweet out the Redskins get an A-plus-plus for the draft so they can put it back on their Twitter and say, look at Kevin

Kuhle gave us an A-plus-plus. Right next to Adam Shines review. They do seem to be very excited about their draft and telling everybody how excited they are about the draft. You don't care about any of the Haskins buying the Bentley. embroidering his clothing brand logo into the seats, charging $50 ahead on draft night at a bowling alley in Gathersburg. Does any of that stuff concern you at all? Well, I don't condone the bowling alley charging tickets, but it doesn't concern me. I like the Bentley.

There's the other thing with quarterbacks. Okay, he's a first round pick, so you can say this is what his salary is going to be. You know how much, Haskin, he's going to make more than a million dollars, not playing football this year, at a minimum. I think the bowling alley thing was probably more the family, the father. Which, by the way, could. So that'd be the, yeah, that from everything that I've heard, he's one of those guys that as he gets into the NFL wants to make his own way.

He doesn't not want to have that stigma of daddy's boy. Cannot wait. Not that he shouldn't be around his dad. Can't wait for training camp. There's some buzz right now because of Haskins. And for me, because of sweat, in addition to Haskins, but there is some buzz. We talked about this a lot towards the end of the season and early in the off season. I think they accomplished one of their business goals, which was to do what they could to get people excited about the team again.

I don't know what it's going to translate to in terms of numbers and how many people are going to just jump right in and buy tickets for that home opener. Well, it's the Cowboys. You know, the schedule makers did the Redskins a favor in that their first two home games are against the Cowboys and the Bears, both whom have massive traveling fan bases. So you're not going to end up with an Indianapolis situation for last year. You're going to have a sold-out house for both of those games. Let me just tell you this. If I was just your average fan, I would go watch Haskins start against the Cowboys in week one.

In week two. Or, excuse me, in the home opener. I would pay to go watch that. I would go watch it in person. Right now, you have to bet on it either way. And I'll just put the odds at even money. Does Haskins start week one? No.

No. Okay. I think that there's a potential that he can. Like, if I had to put odds on it, I'd say 60-40. 60-40 against. Yeah. But at 40% chance that he starts in week one. Okay.

Everybody's saying, like, you've got to give him time. He's got to develop. He's got to. You do have to also find out what he's going to be. You also have to find out whether or not Case Keenham or Colt McCoy are a lot better. Because if they're not a lot better, then he should play. Why wouldn't you play him if they're not a lot better? What are you saving him from?

And I made this case a couple of weeks ago. Losing confidence in who he is as a player. Making bad decisions, not seeing himself make the right throws, not seeing him taking extra hits. Here's one thing that nobody will see. Can he pick up blitzes and can he pick up pressures? Because if he can't, he's going to get hit. I'm saying.

So you're saving him. If it's close and that encompasses all of that. But you're not going to see some of the throws that he makes. You could see him make some big throws. And then you can see him get sacked a couple times. You're going to say, well, the line's not very good. But he's making big-time throws when he's protected. So if he can't pick up protection, if he can't deal with the protection stuff, they can't play it.

That will be the deciding factor in whether he'll play or not, is how fast does he grasp NFL fronts and NFL backing coverages and what they're doing at the line of scrimmage? It was also, by the way, we left this out. One of the things that I thought he struggled with at times at Ohio State. Now, he's making checks at the line of scrimmage, and they did give him more leeway according to all. reports towards the end of the season to make all those calls himself, not just to look to the sideline to get those calls. And he is definitely assertive in making the calls, but he also turned free a lot of rushers. I just think if it's close and, you know, guys like Darnold and Allen and, I mean, Rosen was in there pretty quickly last year. He didn't start, you know, week one.

But it's a new day. You take a quarterback in the top half of the first round of the draft. If it's close and you don't have a Hall of Famer or a great quarterback sitting in front of him, if it's close, you play him. If he can protect himself. Okay. Well, yeah, but that would mean that he's not close. If he can't protect himself, then he's not close. I'm not talking about him not being ready.

You're also going to say we're going to give him a lot of looks where it's going to be, you can protect yourself on boot. You can protect yourself on. He's a good sprintout quarterback. Well, I hope that. I hope that Gruden coaches to that. There's a lot you can do. I hope that Gruden coaches to that. because he didn't coached to that with Alex Smith.

Should have been more boot, should have been more play action, should have been a lot of that stuff. Should have been more quick game with Alex Smith. He was not a drop back, throw the ball down the field passer. Yeah, so he could have got it to Josh Doxon on a slant when he was getting jammed into the freaking offensive line. That's a bad. That's bad. I rescind that comment.

We can just cut it out if you'd like. All right, great job today. I appreciate that. I tried my heart. Let's, let's, you always. You always try your hardest. Let's go out and play some golf today. Quick word to all of you that if you haven't rated or reviewed the podcast on iTunes, do that. That always helps. Also, subscribe to the podcast. Doesn't cost you anything that helps us as well. And check out Launch Workplaces in Bethesda and all of their locations around town. Brand new office spaces, launchworkplaces.com for all the information if you're looking to move into a new office. Thanks to Aaron today. Tommy's back tomorrow after his trip to Italy. We'll recap game one of the Eastern Conference finals tomorrow.

My pick again, I don't want to pick this. I'm rooting for Toronto, but it's Milwaukee in five. Have a great day.