The Kevin Sheehan Show - Cooley on Fitzpatrick & Jackson

Episode Date: March 17, 2021

Cooley and Kevin today with Cooley's breakdown of the Ryan Fitzpatrick acquisition along with their thoughts on the signing of CB William Jackson III. More WFT talk as well and their reaction to the Trent Williams deal too. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it. You don't need it. But you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Cheon Show. Here's Kevin. No one near him taking it the distance for the touchdown. That was William Jackson III's first interception of his career. It came in his second year.

He picked off Aaron Rogers and returned at 75 yards for a touchdown. He's only had two other career interceptions. But we will both, and that would be yours truly, and Christopher Cooley, weigh in on the late-night signing of Will Jackson III, the best corner in free agency. He replaces Ronald Darby. Big need, decent money. We'll get to all of that. But I'm really thrilled to have Chris on the show today because I've taken some beatings from some of you on radio

and on the podcast here about my feelings about Ryan Fitzpatrick. I'm excited about it. Not at the level that I would have been over Matt Stafford, of course, but I am excited about it. And I've given it some further thought. And it didn't change my mind either. But Chris is here. And Chris just gave me a hard time before this show started for eating pineapple.

He said, what are you doing? And I said, I'm eating pineapple right now. If you had pineapple at home, that's one thing, but you actually packed pineapple to eat. No, I didn't pack it. I just got it at Safeway. I went down, you know, I got the, you know, the... That's another weird thing. Like, if your wife bought pineapple and you had pineapple home, then that's one thing.

But, like, I just randomly... Did you get a pre-cut? Did you get a whole pineapple? No, no, no. I just got the knife and you go up and just hack it up. I got the small little size of pineapple. Sometimes I'll do that. that I prefer from whole foods, not from Safeway, but Safeway's here in the building that I'm doing

the podcast and where my studio is, or it's in the bottom of the building. And I just ran down there. I had not eaten anything. I had had one cup of coffee. That was it. And I didn't eat dinner last night. And I was hungry. And so I got pineapple, sliced pineapple.

And I also got some cereal. Now, I have my magic spoon. cereal in here as well, which is a great cereal. It's a no-sugar cereal. It's a low-carve cereal, and I love it. I love the cocoa magic spoon. I really do, and I've got boxes of it in here. But I do like a little bit of sugar occasionally in my cereal as well. So I got a box of multi-grained Cheerios with the strawberries in it. And that provides sort of some sugar, the strawberries. do. It tastes good. It tastes good. Really good.

But I still don't understand the complaint about the pineapple. I don't really care. I just... You had a big problem with it five minutes ago. Children. It's not a children of food. It's not goldfish. By the way, I love goldfish. It's fruit. It's fresh fruit. Pineapples good for you.

Loaded in, you know, natural sugar. Yeah. But it's good for you. It's good for your brain. Just like blue. blueberries are. Yeah? So, anyway, how you doing?

I better eat some blueberries. My brain is working slow today. Yeah. What's your favorite fruit? I think blueberries. Raspberries. Do you get really good fruit out there? I would imagine you do, right?

I mean, in the summertime? I don't think so. Well, you're close to California. It doesn't matter. It's hard to get it. into this area because you know you still got to fly it somewhere i don't really know how they acquire fruit or vegetables that would we were really probably going to build a greenhouse here in the next couple years to do what what are you going to grow i don't know do you have

going to grow stuff my wife wanted fresh fruit and vegetables do you have albert you've got albertsons obviously and yeah but albertons isn't albertsons anymore i don't know if you're up on the grocery store world, but Safeway bought Albertsons. Yeah, I knew that. But now Albertsons is Safeway. And I don't really mind Safeway, but it's not my favorite store. Did I tell you about this? I don't know. I have two grocery store stories. No, you haven't told me. This isn't really a story, but I walked into Albertsons, which in Cody, Wyoming, which has been Albertsons, and I looked around for a couple minutes. I'm like, this is Safeway. When did they set it up just like Safeway? And Albertson's had really been getting good.

I asked the cash register lady. He said, hey, cash register lady. The Safeway, why does this look like Safeway? She's like, Safeway bought us. Oh, you asked that. Why? Did it have, like, were they carrying the Lucerne? Identical Isles food product.

Yeah. Yeah. I guess I didn't necessarily notice the food type as much as I just did the layout of the store was like Leesburg Safeway. It's weird. Hmm. And then I was in Thermopolis, Wyoming, twice over the last two weeks fishing, and there's a great place called Max Market.

It's a grocery store. They sell guns and ammo and fishing licenses in their grocery store. Well, fishing licenses is fine. For a grocery store, have you ever bought a fishing license in a grocery store? No, I think when I bought a fishing license, and it's been a long time since I went and purchased a trout fishing license. When the kids were done... Well, you don't have to purchase a trout fishing license.

But we had to get the trout stamp. You had to get the license in Maryland, and you had to get the trout stamp to fish the catch-and-return areas up in places like Thurmond in places. So I had to get that, I think, from Dix or whatever it was called at the time, the last time. You know, you're doing a lot of fishing, and Cooley caught two huge brown trout the other day, 25 inches. And he's doing a lot of fishing.

And I, my father is a big fisherman. I grew up very much a fly fisherman and trout fishing a lot. Haven't really done it in years. I mean, but when the kids were young, I took him a couple of times, and that was the last time I had to go to a sporting goods store to answer your question to get a fishing license and the trout stamp. I remember having to purchase the trout stamp for an extra $10. So they sell guns at the grocery store in Thermopolis, Wyoming.

Nice. Like, wow. I take some pineapple, some cereal, and a revolver. I'll take a $0.25? Yeah. Is that a $45? Okay, yeah, I'll take that. And how much ammo do you have?

Only two boxes. Oh, yeah, tough to get ammo anywhere. I know, you're right. Okay. I also went shooting guns at a gun range over the weekend. Really? Yeah, I've done that, ever? So that, you weren't trap shooting.

you were doing. No, I had a friend call me on Saturday and say, hey, you want to go shoot guns? Okay. He said, I'll pick you up in 30 minutes. Went and shot handguns. You know, I told you. It was fun, though.

We played battleship. It's a lot. Like, there are games you play. There are things you can. I don't know. I enjoyed it. What's battleship? It's battleship.

Like the game battleship. You just, you got to sink their battleship by shooting the targets in the battleship. Oh, okay, I got it. I, you know, when Casey, my oldest, went to TCU, a lot of his friends and their parents, you know, they had ranches. That's the big thing in Texas. And multiple times on weekends, you know, went trap, went skeet shooting. I actually think that that's a lot of fun. I just bought a clay pigeon thrower this year.

Really? Yeah, I haven't got it out yet. It had been too cold. Where are you going to do that, right on your property? My backyard. I am so Wyoming right now I know you are

or redneck if you see my driveway Kev right now I have a in my driveway this is borderline embarrassing I don't have anywhere to put anything yet I'm building the shop or a garage here you have a vehicle on blocks close

in my driveway I don't tell I'll take a picture You probably won't get home, but I'm not tweeting it out. I have my 67 Camaro that needs some body work, so there's a fender off the side of it. I didn't even know you had a 67 Camaro. I tarped it, but the tarp came off, so there's a 67 Camaro with the tarp off of it. But still under one of the tires, so usually flapping around with the windbows. I haven't got to fix them that tarp yet.

An American Classic, right? It's a great car. Is Camero Chevy? Right. It is Chevy, right? Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

my lawnmower my 60 inch zero turn sitting right next to the Camaro I don't have room in the garage four wheel or somewhere two yeah but one is put away under the back of the deck but a razor a four it's a side by side four-seater flat tire on that thing got to get that fixed up next to that I got my old black pickup truck loaded full of stuff that I've cleaned off out of the garage that I need to take to storage. Right. Next to that, I have my truck, my wife's truck, and a skid loader.

If you look up a skid steer, which I'm thinking about purchasing, but I don't know if I like the one that I'm trying out right now. And then if you wrap the road in front of my house, we just got a 31-foot RV. I was just, I was going to ask. Is there an RV anywhere around? property or is that just on the lawn? No, it's not. It looks like it could be on the lawn

if you took a picture from afar, so I'll give you that. Well, you know, I mean, if you're going to live out there, you're going to take advantage of all of it has, all that it has to offer. And you have the means to have a lot of the toys

to take advantage of a lot of... You just need somewhere to put those things. I understand. I'm building the shop. I have a concrete pad laid for a shop. I'm thinking about just putting them all on the pad like they were in a garage or a shop without a roof. I don't know if that'd be better or not. But then I'd probably have to move them when I start building a shop here in a month. So why would I do that?

So you really, you have a lot of options. But are you doing a lot of, like, when you're, like, when you're, you went fishing the other day and you caught two 25 inch brown. I caught some big fish. Yeah. Did you take any of the kids? No. Okay.

Were you just by yourself or with friends? No, I went with a friend. How early did you get up and go? We left at 8 o'clock from his fishing store. Oh, okay. So not super early. No. No, it's too cold, super early.

Yeah. Yeah. And super early in the summer is, you know, because you want it to be cool out and fish are eating early in the morning because it's cooler and they're coming closer to the surface when it's cooler yeah yeah you think so depends on if there's a hatch or not well that's true depends on what what you're fishing for how you're fishing what river you're fish and all kinds of stuff um but it is nice to get up and go early in the river that you fish brown trout what about rainbow yeah we cut what about cut throat no okay what about brook uh there could be cutthroat uh there could be

cutthrow. I don't know if there's cut. There's a lot of native cutthroat around here. I've never, I think there's not. There's not brook trout in there. There's also in that river, um, a strange species of fish called a ling or a burbett. I don't know what that is. Yeah, you can look up burbit or ling. I don't know why they have two names. And catfish and a lot of carp. Ooh, bottom feeders, right? Yeah, sort of, they'll take a fly that isn't on the bottom. Not a good eating fish, although the Japanese love it, right? Yeah, I don't want a carp. The carp are too big, though.

The carp will break your line off really fast. Yeah, they're huge. That's weird. Like 20 poundsers. You can't, it's hard if you have a tippet or a leader on to really land a carp. You know, I had a horn of a big fish on at the end of the day, and it just really gotten good. like right at 4.30. I've never done this, but my knee hurts.

And I kind of stumbled on a rock moving backwards while I was reeling this fish in. Fell into my neck. Waiters on, waiters full of water. They sat there and fished for another half hour because it was so good. Just almost convulsing, I was so cold. Wow. Carper, when you walk along, you live over where I live, whether it's in D.C. or in Maryland, but on the Maryland side,

and you've got the C&O Canal, and if you ever just take walks in the canal and you look into the canal or you look over to the river, you know, it's basically catfish and carp, and those carp can become so huge. So big. And you can see them. And, you know, I remember when I was a kid, like we would have walked down to the river because I lived, you know, maybe a month. mile and a half from the Potomac River, whether it was at like Fletchers, which is in D.C. or Little Falls in that area, if people know the area that I'm talking about. And we would go down there, you know, and I'm talking about when I was really young, you know, 11, 12, and back then your parents didn't care where you went. And you didn't have play dates. You had to figure it out on your own. And we caught a lot of catfish.

And then we, the carp, though, correct me if I'm wrong, like the bait for carp, was like a dough ball or something like that. Like you'd roll up some bread or... I've never actually fished for carp. Our bait for carp, we would always... We used to catch them and use them as a prank. Was a massive treble hook and yank.

Just we'd get to where there was a lot of them. And just drop a big old lure, like a six inch lure. That's not fishing. No, it's not sportsman like it all. You're right, but carp aren't really. They're the rats of the river. Correct me if I'm wrong about this too, just from memory. Brown trout really grow to be the biggest, right?

They're bigger than rainbow. Yeah, the rainbows in there are really big, though. The guy I was with cut a 24-inch rainbow. He wanted to take a picture of it, and he really couldn't get his hands around it. Yeah. It was a big dude. it was a big dude he got a big rainbow and i had a big rainbow on the gut off but there's like there's all kinds of weird stuff man look up if you're this is crazy he was telling me about

this place it's called pyramid lake it's in nevada it's one of the last of like the great salt lake was part of like lake bountiful or whatever it was the huge ocean that kind of flooded the mountain states for a long time which happened right all a lot of this was underwater. They're these cutthroat, like I think they're called Lahona cutthroat. They're like 32 inches long. They're like 20 pounders. That's unbelievable.

And they can take a certain amount of alkalinity. But this lake is like, it's crazy if you look at pictures. It's all beach. And then it has a drop off level to like six, seven feet. They, everyone takes ladders out and they sit on ladders and fish. because they want to be in the drop-off, but the drop-off is too deep. Ladders. It's hysterical.

There are pictures of this lake. I'd never heard of it with like 50 dudes in a row lined up on ladders. Was, I know we've talked about this movie before. I think we have because I think you love it like I do, or river runs through it, which was Brad Pitt. Yeah, big blackfoot. I love that movie. Where was that shot? Missoula.

Oh, it was? Okay. I think so, yeah, on the Big Blackfoot River. Got it. God, I love that movie. By the way, another movie that I love was on last night because it's basketball time a year. It's March Madness time of year.

You didn't watch Hoosiers. I did. Well, I didn't see, you know, I picked it up, you know, probably a half an hour in. I just, I just loved. Jimmy Chitwood was really finding himself. Oh, my God. Well, you know, Jimmy came in and saved Coach Dale. because they had voted him out.

And Jimmy surprised everybody because Jimmy, you know, when he said, I think it's about time for me to play some ball. Everybody figured, you know, it was because Coach was gone, but it wasn't. Jimmy had figured out. Coach knew what he was doing. And Jimmy was only going to play if Coach stayed. You know, in watching that movie so many times over the year,

first of all, I love the soundtrack. It's like just beautiful music that they figured out. Gene Hackman's great in it, you know, the whole thing. Dennis Hopper is, you know, phenomenal in the movie. But I'll tell you what, like, and it's not that I just realized this last night. Good God, the basketball scenes are just so bad. So bad. They're just so awful.

I mean, it's, I mean, Jimmy, look, Jimmy Chit would have a really nice form on his jump shot, no doubt. And I guarantee you that that guy could play a little bit. But the rest of them, I mean, it was really ugly to watch and the scenes. And, you know, can you imagine a clock, the second hand on the clock being your timer? And I know that that was the, you know, what stadiums used and what arenas used was that moving, you know, big hand on seconds. My God, how hard. Time out. And then the guy finally stops it.

What does it say up there? Is it 10 seconds, 12? It's right in between the 10 and the 15. I mean, think about how precise sports is now compared to what it was back in the 50s. What it was in the 70s and 80s. You had to have a counter. It's so precise. Seven.

Six. Oh, my God. Like, how did they know for sure that the guy got the shot off on time? But, you know, the beauty of sort of the Indiana wheat field. cornfields, cornfields, et cetera, as they're driving through from, you know, little small hickory high school. And, you know, that's sort of like you live in such a rural area. You know, that's a lot of your driving, I would imagine, right? No.

No. A little different for me. Once you get out of town, there's all the towns are centered around what can be irrigated. So once you get out of where it's not irrigated, it's just high desert. sagebrush. Oh, okay. If you're not in the mountains. Got it. So, like, my drive from Cody, Wyoming to Thermopolis, there's one little town in between

them called Matissee. Matzzi's got some fields, but then other than that, you're like, straight desert, buddy. When I was, I took Ryan, my youngest, to visit Indiana, and we did, we knocked out several schools in one trip. and Indiana and Miami of Ohio were on the trip. Those are the two that I remember. But when we left Bloomington to drive to Oxford, Ohio, where Miami of Ohio is, I swear to God, it was two hours of nothing but fields.

Like just nothing. You're out in the middle of rural Indiana. But what I'll never forget, and we both noticed it because obviously we both love basketball is every single one of these, you know, farm houses had a hoop up in the driveway or had a hoop up somewhere. You know, basketball is such a religion in Indiana. And it's so much different when you think about, you know, basketball, I think people really have this impression, and it's very much a stereotype about, you know, it's an inner city game. You know, it is, but it's also in places in our country a very rural game like Indiana, like Kentucky.

There are places where basketball is huge in, you know, very low density population areas. But I, you know, and I just, as we're driving through them, we started to just, we'd come up on, you know, another farm with another, you know, house. And we'd be like, yep, look, two hoop. There's a hoop there and there's another hoop. They got three of them. They got three hoops on the property. Every single place had a basketball hoop in that state as I was driving through it. Anyway, I do love the movie.

Poor, you know, poor shooter. He really struggled. I mean, and I thought after he, you know, after he ran the picket fence to get the game winner, I thought the pressure would be off him and he wouldn't, you know, he wouldn't get all sauced up. You know, it's sort of backwards. Like if they had failed, if they had failed on the picket fence play, and they had lost the game, but he won the game. And his son said, you did good, Dad, you did good.

And yet that was what sent him into. Well, maybe he was celebrating. And then, you know, who knows. Okay, enough on this. Everybody wants to hear what you have to say about Ryan Fitzpatrick first. Then we'll get to Will Jackson. and the acquisition of him. They've also added a couple of players

since the radio show ended. They re-signed Lamar Miller, player that I've always liked, and they re-signed Tackled David Sharp as well. We'll get to all of the Washington football stuff right after this word from one of our sponsors. All right, coolies here. We're going to get to his thoughts on Ryan Fitzpatrick.

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Thumbs up? I don't think it's the answer for more than a year or two years. I was driving in thinking about it today. You know, Higbee reminds me of Fitzpatrick.

Or not Higby, Heineke. Hineke. I said the same thing. He was driving in thinking they play the same way. Watching, you know, all nine minutes of Heineckee play. He kind of plays like Fitzpatrick, same stature, good movement type of guy. It's like smart kid. He's going to end up being Fitzpatrick's little brother, his son.

Hey, Dad. I like it, Kev. So I like the signing. he's he's a guy that competes and gives you a chance week in a week out he's a guy that gives you your offense a chance to continue to get better he's never really been given the best opportunity i guess maybe had one shot right or something buffalo a little bit yeah he had a good with the jets they stayed healthy they were pretty good they lost the game at the end of the year they would finish 10 and 6 instead of 11 and 5 that was a chance but he's never had that like we believe in you commitment No doubt. That was the thing that I think he's always lacked was that true, we'll build a franchise around you, you're our guy type of commitment.

He's never had that. It's amazing his career is, I mean, to think that his first game was against Washington in 2005. You played in that game. I did. Yeah, I was there.

But right now, I think that Fitzpatrick can do everything you want. He can make every throw. And he can move. He provides some mobility as a quarterback. He's smart. He'll lead. He'll do everything you need him to do for a young offense.

And I just didn't buy into the fact that they were going to be able to trade for anybody other than potentially Darnold. You know what's going on with Darnold. And I don't think anybody knows. And I don't think Washington was willing to wait and say, okay well darn him will be the only guy if we're going to put all our eggs in that basket and what if someone ends up going a first in a second for him we don't want to do that i doubt that's it clearly i doubt that's the case but it was Winston or Fitzpatrick as far as guys that you might want to play who else were they going to get and they

needed a dude so i think it's a good move I do. It's like, take what's available, you know. Don't do the grass is always good. He's the guy that's available. Let's take him. Let's get it. It's the best we can do right now.

All right. I did it. Go ahead. Go ahead. Okay. No, they did the thing, the only thing they could do in my opinion. All right. They gave him $6 million in signing bonus, $6 million guaranteed.

even before I saw that. My conclusion was there is basically a 99.999% chance. He is your starter, week one. He didn't come here. They didn't sign him. We're not talking about the size of the contract, but it's $10 million. It's going to count, you know, six or whatever million next year in the cap. They gave him $6 million and guaranteed money. He is coming here to start. Do you believe that, or do you believe that somehow we may hear from Ron Rivera and Ryan Fitzpatrick about some sort of competition with Taylor Heineke and Kyle Allen, but what do you think he's here to do in 2021? Start. Yeah. They'll announce that he's here to start when they have that discussion. There's no reason to say that Kyle Allen or Taylor Heineke are going to be in any form of competition with Ryan Fitzpatrick. I don't think that's good for Fitzpatrick.

I don't think that's good for your team. I don't think you need that. I'm sure that a guy like Heineke or Allen would be frustrated, but that said, Heineke's happy to not be doing math classes. So, yeah. I mean, seriously, when you just, when you boil it down, and I had him on the radio show, and he sort of said that, he's like, I thought I was going to end up, you know, taking classes

and whatever, trying to figure it out, you know, my next life move. and he's getting to make a lot of money to play football. And maybe even if he doesn't play in games, it's still better than, you know, taking derivatives courses at O'DU. I mean, maybe it is. I think he's still going to go back and take the derivatives courses. No, he's going to be fine with that.

And I don't think that takes them out of the market in the first round for drafting a quarterback. Okay, I want to get to that in a second, okay, because, But I just, you think, you said something, you think they'll just come out and announce it. Like, you don't think it'll be the cliche. You know, Ryan's here to compete. We've got three quarterbacks. We like all three.

We got two young guys. We got a veteran guy. And we got off-season. We got training camp. Hopefully this year we'll have a preseason. And there will be, you don't think that that's what you're going to get. You think you're going to get from Ron Rivera. Ryan Fitzpatrick is the starter in 2021.

Yes. really I'm sure they told him so I'm sure that was part of him coming here I think so too but I'm just saying that that you took it to the next step which is they're going to tell us that yeah they could I don't think they have to say that I think that when you could wait all the way till you get to OTAs and one of the beat guys is going to say well who's taking the reps with the ones and then you'll say well of course right Fitzpatrick is we just paid the guy a 10 million dollar contract what worries you about him I I mean, we all know, Ryan Fitzpatrick, nothing worries you. Not really. Longevity and security of the position. My belief is if, in your belief in anyone that's smart, knows that if you really want to win for a long period of time, you need a quarterback to do it.

He's not going to be that guy. I love the way you said a year or two, because it's only a one-year deal, but it would not shock me if Ryan Fitzpatrick is the starting quarterback for Washington the next two seasons? Not at all. I don't have any problem with him being the starting quarterback for the next two seasons.

And frankly, if you were to draft a guy that you really liked that was raw this year and say you got him in the third, you might want him to develop for a couple years. But I don't know if they'll do that. I don't know if they'll draft a guy late. You might think Heineke can develop over the next two years.

I don't see any problem. with Fitzpatrick. Here's your problem per se. And it's not because guys get quarterbacks later in the draft all the time is you win eight seven plus

games every year that he starts. And so you're always drafting 15, 16, 17. You never get the true quarterback. Right. But I also don't believe in a rebuild. I don't, I, that's one of the things I said to Tommy yesterday.

You don't, unless you really suck and you really don't have anything and you're planning on making significant organizational changes, every year you got to think about what gives me the best chance this year to compete, to win a division, to play in playoff games, you know, to try to win 10 games plus. and there is no doubt that they upgraded their chances for that by adding Ryan Fitzpatrick. And I mentioned this yesterday, and I want to be really clear on this, because some of you didn't hear me say that, and that's fine. The odds makers believe that Ryan Fitzpatrick is a major upgrade. Washington went from like plus 350 to win the division to like plus 215, plus 220. And that depends on the site you're on. They are now a clear-cut second pick in the division.

They weren't before they picked Ryan Fitzpatrick. Dallas is the favorite, but they're not nearly the prohibitive favorite they were before Washington signed Fitzpatrick. Why? Well, because Washington has a defense that people believe in, and they're the defending champion, and the only big major question mark was quarterback. And for the boys in the desert, they answered that question by signing Ryan Fitzpatrick. this year, not for 2022, 2022, 23 and beyond,

but for this upcoming season. So if you weren't going to get Stafford, which you didn't, and you weren't, let's, I'll come back to Donald in the second, and James Winston wasn't available, and Prescott wasn't available, and Watson's not going to be available, and you came to the conclusion that you're not going to get any of the quarterbacks

that you really like in the draft because you'd have to trade off fortune to move up, or you don't think those teams are going to back off or take anything that they're going to want to take those players. You've got to figure out an answer. How are you going to compete in 2021? Well, Ryan Fitzpatrick may not have been plan A. He may not have been plan B, but he is a guy that gives you a chance. When I asked you what worried you, I was really specifically talking about, you know, the number of bad plays he can make,

the number of games he can cost you by taking too many risks that end up being turnovers. Yeah, I understand the interception issue with Fitzpatrick. But I don't think he's a turnover machine. And I think in the right system, the right offense, the belief that he's in there and you're making a playoff push, you're not just slinging it around. I think he's fine. I've watched this guy.

I've watched a few games here over the last day. he's a competent quarterback. I think the picks may result in some overconfidence, but he's not throwing dumb, dumb picks a lot of the time. There's some issues where he's got to get over the line and he can get the ball up a little bit. There's some picks with that stuff. But I don't see him as a, I don't know the defense,

I'm taking a shot that could result in an interception. I don't think he's that guy. I think he knows exactly what he's doing. He's got the mentality, right, of Favre, of Rivers, of Stafford, where it truly, you know, the gunslinger label applies to him. Yeah, but he also, different from a guy like Fav, can go one, two, across the board of three, not like three, and go to the back. But his alternative isn't always, let's just blaze one down the field. Right. I've always talked about Rex, and Rex wasn't a big checkdown guy.

And Rex said because he couldn't see it all the time, Fitzpatrick's good at finding a checkdown. It's not, he's not throwing picks because he's just, let's get rid of it. I'm panicked. Right. You know the other thing I like about him as I was watching these games? I'm like, this dude doesn't take sacks. Doesn't take a lot of sacks.

Processes quickly. So I look this up. The NFL sack percentage career leaders. Fitzpatrick is 49th on that list. He averaged 5.6 per dropback. You know, 5.6% of the time on dropbacks, he takes a sack. That's low. Yeah.

That's really low. But it's not always indicative of great quarterbacks. True. Like Derek Anderson's number eight on that list. Joey Harrington's number 10. You know what I mean? By the way, number three and four, Doug Williams and Mark Rippin. Doug Williams and Mark Rippin didn't get sacked.

Well, Joe had a lot of Max Protect. He had a lot of two-ressee. It had a great line. max protect and a lot of two receiver routes. Who was the number one on the list? Can you guess? Marino? Tide for number one. And 3.13% of dropbacks.

Marino's tied with, hold on. Well, Montana wasn't sacked a lot. No, but it's not him. Montana was number 43 at 5.49. Huh. Marino and how far back does this go? Is this NFL history? Mm-hmm.

I'm sure NFL history of recorded. I'm not finding anything really. Is he a Hall of Famer? He is. Are we really familiar with them around these parts? Everyone is. Sunny. Oh, no, no, not really familiar.

It's Peyton Manning. Oh, Peyton. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Okay. But Peyton and Marino are 3.13%. There's only six guys under 4%. See, the sunny thing, they didn't even keep sack stats back then defensively.

So, okay. But, yeah, I mean, they have dudes in there like Charlie Johnson. Charlie Johnson's in the 70s, yeah. 61 through 75 got a sack 6.85 of the time. So you can go back. Right. ways. There's a ton of guys in the 70s. Most of the sack, most of the guys sack the least during the last 20 years.

Yeah, right. Where people are open quicker. And, and, and West Coast, getting it out quickly, all of that. West Coast, for sure, would help. Yep. But yeah, I mean, there's only six guys under 4% in history league. So name, name the six. Peyton, Marino, Doug Williams, Mark Rippin, Mahomes, and Drew Breeze. Mahomes still could go over that. Drew Breeze is going to stay under four. And then there's only another like 12 dudes under five. Number 20 is Elvis Gerbeck at 5.01%.

So you only got 19 guys under 5%. You know. I mean, that's, dude, like, that's, to be under 6%. There's only 59 dudes, and a lot of them are currently still playing. There's only 59 dudes under 6% history of the league. I'm looking, I'm curious about Elvis Gerbeck because he played for Marty Schottenheimer, who just passed away.

And Marty was another guy that, you know, conservative offensively, a lot of Max Protect. And, you know, he started for Marty, he started like 42 games. I'm sorry. He started 32 games for Marty. No, my fault. 47 games he started for Marty for four years.

So there you go. So here's the really what I think, positive thing about Fitzpatrick's sack percentage. A lot of these guys played in one or two offenses. Right. Fitzpatrick's got to learn an entirely new offense. Yeah. Every other year, if not every third year. he's got a completely different unit as far as offensive line goes blocking for him up front he's got a

different group of receivers that he's got to create timing with and he doesn't take sacks so i guess what i'm saying really is the guy is really good at processing and he understands where to go with the ball and he understands how to get the ball out he just he's a he's a good quarterback you know he's he was three inches taller, he would be one of the most desired. He would have been in one place forever. He just wasn't three inches taller. You know, that intangible has always heard him. The other thing that you could throw on to the sack percentage, by the way, I'm looking, he did take a career high sacks 40 in 2019 in Miami when they were tanking the season. When they were tanking, although he when he came in, they stopped tanking and they started being

competitive. But by the way, One quick point, too, I don't know why this reminded me of it. I forget if Tommy told me this or I forget if somebody else did. Ryan Fitzpatrick was much better than Tua Tua Viloa on the dolphins last year. Okay, if you think somehow that you can ascribe the record that Tua had as somehow comparable, the type of quarterback that he was in comparison to Ryan Fitzpatrick, this is where like the whole quarterback winning percentage thing, I just don't even, I hate hearing it. I understand that that's how they get evaluated, but it's just, it's too dependent.

Tua's games that they won, they won with defense and special teams. Okay, Ryan Fitzpatrick was much better than Tua Tungaviloa last year. If Ryan Fitzpatrick, if they didn't bench him because they, and they did not bench him for performance, they benched him because they wanted to see the number five pick in the draft they thought. thought he was the future and they still may, all right, which was too bad because I think if Ryan Fitzpatrick had started all 16 games, the Dolphins would have been in the playoffs last year. And in saying that, the Dolphins beat a lot of teams last year.

Some of them, they beat Handily. They would have had a chance in the playoffs. San Francisco, they completely shredded early in the season and he was outstanding. The Rams. Right, and the Rams too, with a bunch of special teams plays in that game. And that was a Tua game. and two, and look at his stats. Go look at the stats if you've got it open.

When they beat the Rams, there was like a punt block and a punt return and turnover. There are three special teams. And I don't even think two were through for over 100 yards. Did he? I don't think so. No, I don't think he did in that game. But I wanted to just mention this one other point about the teams that Fitzpatrick's been on and your discussion about his sack percentage.

He played on a lot. lot of teams that were just bad teams and bad defensive teams. And there were probably, I don't, look, I don't have the data in front of me. I just know that a lot of those teams he was on weren't good teams, and they were bad defensive teams, a lot of them. And so he was in games probably in the second half chucking it around, you know, with defenses teeing off on him. He is a quick process guy, you know, and has the playmaking ability. Like, you know, I remember conversations with lots of conversations with Mike, and he always talks about, you know, processing. It's one of the things they are always, they always need to see, especially from the guys that aren't creators, that aren't play extenders.

Kirk Cousins, okay, obviously would be a really good example of that. The reason he's successful and coaches love him is because he processes so quickly. Well, Fitzpatrick does both. he's got that and then he's got the ability to be good off schedule. The other thing I just wanted to mention, because you brought up something that I brought up, and I mentioned it again to this morning on the radio show, Taylor Heineke, when you think about the limited opportunity we all had to watch him this year, does play like Ryan Fitzpatrick style-wise.

He chucks it down the field. He is fearless. He will throw it and give his receivers a chance. he can go off schedule. He can create with his feet, but he usually does it with the opportunity always to throw the ball down the field. But the big difference between the two of them, and tell me if I'm wrong about this, because I have not even looked up their heights and weights. But Fitzpatrick's bigger.

It's not that Fitzpatrick's big. He's listed at 6-2-228. Taylor He's tiny. He's tiny. Fitzpatrick is not. Fitzpatrick has more of the Brett Farrv build. boxy. Heineke's just flat out tiny, which may be the reason that he's been broken in his three starts. How does he fit in? How will Scott Turner? We both agree he's the starter next year.

How does Scott Turner handle him? How does he fit into what you think Scott Turner wants to do? Well, I think he fits in perfectly. He's a guy that they can go under center with more because he's very comfortable under center, but he's a, he's been a gun quarterback, a ton of his career. So he's a both of those kind of guys. He's, to me, a guy that can operate the RPO game very quickly and understand how to get the ball out immediately. The short game stuff will be real easy for him. And I think he should be good with some of the short game stuff where I think it helps

them, especially if they get some speed or a threat, that he really can get the ball down the field and he throws it with accuracy. Like I said, it's not, it's not like he's Drew Brees. He's probably a 65% completion guy next year, which would be high in his career, but I'll bet you somewhere around 63,

64, 65 next year. But he'll get some bigger plays for you. You know, he does, he's throwing a lot of picks and everyone says that. But still, like, he's under 100 in terms of career interception percentage

in the league, history of. Yeah. It's 3.3%. He's got fumbles too. Yeah, wow. There have been a lot of moments, you know, and I went back and watched some of the games,

including the opener last year against New England. They had plenty of opportunities, and he turned them all over, you know. There have been enough of those games where it's like, you know, I described it yesterday, Kulip, but I'll describe it to you. It's like you're down 2420, and you've got total confidence in Ryan Fitzpatrick's ability

to take you down and give you a chance to win the game. And sometimes he does it, and then sometimes he throws it right to the other team in the red zone and the game ends. And there's going to be, there's going to be a Monday morning in here, and there's next year, and there's going to be a film breakdown day where you just say, I don't know what he was looking at. I'm predicting that right now. I don't know why. I think it's more like, I don't think he should have taken that shot. Yeah. Take shots that normal quarterbacks don't take.

I think it's more like that. Not, I don't know what he's seen. It's more like, you can't believe he threw it. I see what he's looking at. I don't like it. Does that make sense? Yeah, it does.

I mean, I think there are, like, to me, when you just think about Ryan Fitzpatrick, or if in the last couple days you've gone back and looked at Ryan Fitzpatrick, you know, games or, you know, tapes, highlight tapes. Here's a great, for example. Yeah. I'm randomly sitting here.

I got the Raiders game on, late in the Raiders game. I mean, maybe his moment of his career. So this play just came up. It's where am I here? Like, I don't know. It's later in the game. It's not the big play. They're running a very common concept that teams operate to try to get the ball down the field.

Three guys to the right, one to the left. The first guy to the right, runs right down the middle of the field in the seam. The next guy runs eight yards and hooks and the outside guy runs about 16 to 20 yards and bends in, a deep in. And essentially, quarterbacks are always reading that eight-yard hook to the deep end.

The middle clear route is really just clear the safeties. Is that good. If they're split safeties, it's always been an alert. And I was always, I'd always run that thing so hard. Like, I'd be the clear guy. I'd see two safeties.

Like, I'm going to get it this time. I never got it. First play, I just randomly went back. He throws the clear seam as an alert, overthrows it incomplete. It's going to take the shot, man. I know, like, it's an overthrow. It's not a good throw, but the thing with Fitzpatrick,

he makes you defend everything. You got to play at all. You got to play what you know is the clear route and run with it. So he'll open guys up with that stuff. Yeah, this isn't a, one read quarterback no no it's an all field quarterback that's what i like about him he's a i'll make any throw i'll find the guy and he finds the guy look i mean this is what i like when i really see out of i get some of the flaws but the positives is one he can move in the pocket he can slide he can

throw on the move he can run if he needs to run he he'll slide to throw and he can throw with accuracy as he's moving two he's real decisive and i love it it's it's he's he's hitch throw, plant throw, rocks, like balls coming out. I love that about him. He's got, he can progress through everything, cross the board progression. I like this and I wrote this down over the last two days.

He'll throw into a tight window or he'll throw and let his guy win. He'll trust his guy to win. And he'll miss throws. He'll have incompletions with it where he's got a tightly contested, contested, let's say, button hook. Most quarterbacks just turn it down. Like, hey, you don't have two yards of separation or you don't have that cushion.

So move on. He'll throw it. He'll let his guy, he'll give his guy a chance to go get the ball. I mean, and it's not like he's wrecks where it's just shot after shot after shot. You know, he'll take the checkdown if he's got to take the checkdown. If the coverage demands it, they'll take the checkdown. So what I'm saying, like tight man to man stuff, he'll let a rip.

Finds a window, he'll let it rip. But it doesn't have coverage and it dictates you got to throw it underneath. He's fine to throw it underneath. Like this dude's a good quarterback. He is. He's a good quarterback. He's got really good. I think probably the accuracy is what makes him not elite.

And that might be something to do with size, not seeing over the line. I mean, he's 6'2, but he's not entirely accurate. He can throw it really accurately, but he can also miss. And that's one of the things I think hurts him is he misses some throws. I think the other thing too in thinking about him and even watching more over the last couple days, he's got a really good feel for pressure. That may be one of the reasons for the sack thing. And he will take off.

You know, he will take off and move the chains with his legs and he's got great feel for where the pressure is and finding, you know, some sort of scene to get out to throw it or to get out to run it. Like he may be 38 years old, but he didn't look like a 38-year-old last year. at quarterbacking physically. Nope. What do they need to add for him offensively? Mike Gaseki. Yeah, I mean, that was the one thing you saw.

I mean, he made some big... New England was like, we'll take both those tight ends. Yeah. How about that, dude? Well... They took Hunter Henry and Jonah Smith. You know, one of the things that you told me about, and I remember Josh McDaniels talking about,

I think I mentioned this to Tommy yesterday. yesterday. They, you know, going back to Hernandez and Grunk, McDaniels loves to basically be able to dictate that you've got to be in base defense or that with the two tight ends, if you're in nickel, we got guys on the field that can block too. And so it really puts you in a quandary. Yep. No doubt. All right. So, um, Real quickly. So I, I, there's a story from Connor Hughes, the athletic. He covers the Jets.

He tweeted out the following. I spoke to a source in Washington about the possibility of Washington trading with the Jets for quarterback Sam Darnold. No, I'm sorry, that's not the one. Here it is. Connor Hughes of the Athletic. Washington is not ruled out a trade for Sam Darnold. The, God damn it, where is this?

Well, this is what I said to you when we talked on the phone yesterday. And I tweeted it out because you thought that Darnold would still be in play. And Connor Hughes basically thinks Darnold is still in play for Washington. And you said, well, they're not going to have Darnold and Fitzpatrick and Kyle out. Nope, they'll change course completely with Darnold. But I think Donald gives you the chance to have your future guy. So. Yeah, but he.

But in my opinion, even if you're going to eat 10 million on the cap or whatever you're going to eat and trade Fitzpatrick for something, or you're going to move on from Kyle Allen, have Heineckee not play or be the third guy or whatever you're going to do. If you like Darnold, go trade for me. I do. I'll bet you big money they don't trade for Darnold. If it's just a second, why wouldn't you go trade for Darnold? don't think, first of all, it's so funny because this conversation about Darnold has really gotten a little bit out of hand with a lot in the fan base. Like, you know, some are really into, you know, Darnold and would be willing to make a move for him and others are dead set against it.

And somebody sent me some, I don't even know who it was, some, some reporter said that NFL GMs all know that Darnold sucks, whatever. I mean, the stuff that comes out this time of year, I guarantee you that there is a market for Darnold if the Jets make them available. I don't know what that market is. I would bet that you'd have to give up no less than a third and probably a second, potentially, if there's competition. That would be my guess. I just don't see it now.

I think one of the reasons that they signed Ryan Fitzpatrick is if they are interested in Darnold, and I believe that there is interest in Darnold from Washington, they just came to the conclusion that they weren't going to be able to get them, that the price was going to be too high or the Jets are only going to trade him if they get an absolute king's ransom or they're going to keep them. Because, you know, with Darnold, he's got to play for you. He's got to pick up his option and then extend him. You know, he's got to play for you next year if you trade for him.

And you just got the guy that's playing for you next year. So to me, I think the reason they did Fitzpatrick is because the other guys that would have played and started next year and maybe been longer term possibilities, they just came to the conclusion aren't going to be available for them. Too pricey or the jets aren't going to trade him or the jets are going to get much better offers from other teams that have better first round, that have other, better draft choices. whatever it is, they came to the conclusion. They're not getting Darnold. They're not getting Watson. They're not getting Wilson. They didn't get Stafford.

They don't want to wait for Marriota. They didn't like Dalton as much as Fitzpatrick. They didn't like Tyrod Taylor or Jacoby Brissette or Mitch Trubisky as much as they liked Ryan Fitzpatrick. So they went Fitzpatrick. And they've got who they're going to have. Fitzpatrick, Alan, and Heineke. Three quarterbacks under contract.

Fitzpatrick is the starter. And I don't think there's, somebody asked me to give odds on drafting, and this is what I gave him, Cooley, on Twitter. Plus 325, long shot, plus 325 on them taking a quarterback in rounds one or two, and then I have them at plus 140 for taking a quarterback rounds three through seven. So overall, I don't think they'll take a quarterback in this draft, but if they do, then it's going to be between rounds three and seven. and then if they do that, you know, you're not keeping four quarterbacks.

So the more likely to be dismissed would be Kyle Allen, who Ron Rivera likes a lot. So I don't know. I just don't see him trading for Darnold. I don't see him drafting a quarterback in the first two rounds. I wouldn't be surprised to see him draft a quarterback in the first two rounds. Okay. I wouldn't be surprised to see him. him trade for Donald.

Would you draft, if you just threw Sam Darnold in the draft this year and you were 20th pick in the second, would you not take him? Well, that's the issue, though, is that there aren't, you know, the one thing about this quarterback draft is the really good quarterbacks, the ones that people are really excited about, are going early. You know, I was listening to Kuiper on something, and Kuiper said, this is not a year where more likely than not, the feeling is this isn't a year where you're going to be. going to get your future starter in the third or fourth round.

It's just, it's top heavy. And all those guys are going early. That's fine. And anybody can say that. I understand. Of course, crap, crap, shoot. You don't know that. I know. So, I mean, do you, do you, I'd be really interested.

You want the plus 325? You want the plus 325 for 100 bucks? In the first and second? Yeah, first and second round. They got to draft a quarterback in the first or second round. I mean, I'm not going to take your money. A hundred bucks. I'll bet you.

I understand how that works, Fred. But I'm saying it because not everybody does. Okay. Yeah, I mean, I would... The problem is really, like all the dudes are going to be gone in the first. Let me look at the second round. Let me see who's coming up in the second.

Jamie Newman could be in the second round. Kyle Trask. Could be in the second round. I bet you it's going to be one of those situations where all those quarterbacks go in the first round. And then people are trading up to early portion of the second round to get Trask or to get Newman or to get somebody, you know, to get. God, Kellyn Mond is not my favorite by a long shot. I'd be surprised if he goes in the second round. The guy from Northwestern, what's his name?

I kind of like him. Oh, yeah, I do like that kid. Yeah. Ramsey. Ramsey. Yeah. Okay. So is it order filled on the plus 325 for the first two rounds? Quarterback drafted. Order filled or not? 100 bucks. Yeah. I'm not, I'm going to look at it. Order pending. Order pending. Okay, very good. We'll come back and we'll talk about last night's signing of Will Jackson the third, the top ranked cornerback in free agency. We'll get to that right after this word from one of our sponsors. William Jackson the third.

42 million, three years, 14 million a year, 26 million of it, guaranteed. They lost Ronald Darby the other night to Denver. They had a need, and they signed the top-rated corner in free agency, William Jackson, the third. I'll just net it out, and then I'll let Cooley have at it. I really like the signing a lot. I love his, and I've, for whatever reason, I've had the best. Bengals a lot over the years, the last few years, plus points in games. It hasn't worked out as

well as I would have liked. But they've had defensive talent, but they've not had good defenses. They actually had the worst pass rush in the NFL last year. But he is one of the types of corners that I love because he's super long-armed. And he's quick. He's fast, too. I went and looked up his 40 time during the show this morning because somebody said he can't run. And I'm like, I think he can run. 4-37. He was timed in the combine back in 2016 when he was a first round pick of the Bengals at 24 overall. I love long-armed corners.

They close. It's easier to close. You have less space to cover. I think, you know, I've read that he's a super good man coverage guy. I just, I think he's been a really good player whose upside has been in some ways. thwarted or held back by bad defenses, bad pass rushes, you know, and facing at times really good quarterbacks too in the AFC. But I like the player and I really like the money. It's barely even a top, you know, eight, nine deal in the league in terms of average annual. You know, they're not paying

anywhere near the top of the market for a corner for a guy that they desperately needed after losing Ronald Darby to the Broncos. Now, he missed his first year with a torn peck, and he's missed some games, and I will tell you, he hasn't missed a lot of games. But he has been on the injury report. I'm not going to say a ton, but he's been on the injury report enough with concussions and toes and shoulders, but he's played through it, and he's played really well. I think they got a guy that can really play huge upside at really good money, and by the way,

desperately needed. So I love the signing of Will Jackson to come in and play corner. You say what? I totally agree with you. I think William Jackson can do everything you want to do. Schematically, I think he fits right into where you want to be. Potentially, this allows Kendall Fuller to not have to be your one corner, which I think helps you a lot because I think Kendall Fuller's likely not at one corner. And I'd way rather have paid William Jackson $14 million a year than Ronald Darby 10. Ronald Darby got a $30 million contract with the Broncos, which is what both of you and I thought he would get last week. Yeah.

About $10 million a year. But you just paid William Jackson CB2 money, like second quarterback cornerback money, essentially. I mean, $14 million is not CB2 money. Is it really? Well, Ronald Darby just got 10. Yeah. It's not high-end corner money. No, it's not Jaylor Ramsey.

It's not Marlon Humphrey. I was looking. There were multiple lists. No, and I don't think he, I don't know if he is exactly one of those guys. I mean, when you watch, I agree. I think he can get a little bit handsy. I think he's a guy that can get a little overcut up at the line of scrimmage and trying to bump receivers instead of running with dudes,

which he should be able to do. but gosh, his recovery speeds outstanding. His man-to-man stuff is good. He does really hem up receivers at the line of scrimmage. Like he's a really good press guy if you want him to be a press guy. I think he's got good vision to the quarterback when he's playing in any kind of zone or cover three looks. And you needed to do. Like they're a cover three or cover four team predominantly, which in most of those instances puts him almost.

in a man-to-man type situation. But he can play with vision to the quarterback to do that. This is a good signing for them, big time signing for him. And you like the fit with the scheme. I mean, Darby seemed to be one of the first corners we've had, and we had a new defensive coaching staff, one of the first corners we've had here in a while that didn't seem to be six yards, seven yards, eight yards, you know, in soft coverage. that he really did play more press coverage

than we've seen any corner around here playing a long time. Yeah, I think that's probably in part. One, obviously he can, but scheme. Yeah. You know, over the last few years with Mnuski, it's like they had all these long-arm corners. They drafted them. Guys like Fabian Morrow.

Moro's long arms. Yep. Physical. Could be at the line of scrimmage. And then they're pulling them off at eight yards. I'm sure the scouting department at the time's like, what are you doing with the guys we got you? Like these are press guys.

These are tight guys. These are guys with length. Go back to like Dunbar and all the long corners they got quite. They never played them up. Jackson can play up. No doubt about it. And, you know,

I think Darby can. I like Darby because I think Darby had good speed and never got beat over the top. and it's hard to beat him over the top. He was really good and not getting beat with double-moved stuff. But that's William Jackson's that kind of guy. I mean, you watch him, he's got great vision. He's got, and he's great when he's in man-to-man,

keen receiver body language, keen receiver. Like, he's downfield. He'll wait until the receiver turns his head, and he's watching it. He's got the right idea. So, you know who fell for the double, you know who fell for the double move a lot last year? Yeah, Kendall Fuller. Yeah, Kendall Fuller.

You know, I was thinking about Moreau. His snap count came up at the end of last year. He is another guy with size and length. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if they re-sign him. I mean, you have Fuller, you have Jackson, you have Morland right now. And I guess you have, in terms of corners, Stroman, right? And Danny Johnson. is Danny Johnson? Wait, Danny Johnson is a, I think they've got to tender him to keep him,

because I think he's restricted. But, you know, God, with a pass rush and long-armed corners, you know, you, but that was the one point, if I didn't make this, I want to make it, if I'm being repetitive, sorry. Jackson played last year and the last couple of years on a team without a pass rush. Now, early, in his tenure. They had Atkins, they had Dunlap. You know, they had some defensive talent, but they were never great defensively. Last year, bottom three in pass rush rate and dead last in the league in sacks. Just think about the team.

And then they're getting run in a lot of games. And so it's also in the bottom three of teams that other teams could stay balanced against. Yeah. But you're joining a team that has a pass rush. it's going to elevate any of your defensive backs. And it be nice. It allows them to actually have a feel for timing. Hey, I can jump this because beyond this, it's not getting done.

Right. Chase is going to get there or Montez is going to get there. Sure. So. So, I mean, so far, you know, you look at the, I like Fitzpatrick. I think it's a good signing. I think William Jackson is a great signing. I think he's a great corner. And he desperately needed.

I don't know if they wanted to pay a tight-in $12 million a year this year. Out of the two guys. But that's the other position that I think they desperately needed. Could pay Trent Williams $138 million. You see that deal got done? I'm going to, I was going to, I've got it on my list of things we're going to get to. I, the only guy that's left tight end-wise is Everett. Ertz.

Earths, of course, Ertz. But you got to trade for Ertz. You do, but the Eagles aren't getting what they want as of yet. What did you say a couple of months ago or a couple of weeks ago what you would give up for Erts again? I said Friday, I think the best case is they could get a third, but they won't. Oh, you said that Friday and I thought it was a couple months ago. That's great.

And I said it'd probably be in that fourth, range just because of some of the unknown with Ertz. And you said fifth or sixth. Yeah. I just think injuries and availability, lack thereof and age. And I don't think they're getting a third for Zachertz. I don't. You know, they gave him permission to go seek a trade.

I saw that. But sometimes that's one of those deals where they might know that he's not going to get what he would think. They might know no one's given more than a fifth. They might have already shopped it. It's like what they did with Trent Williams here, remember? But it was well after the fact when they could have gotten something. Then they said, go ahead and check because Cleveland had already moved on.

And Houston had already made the deal. And so the real compensation and the teams that were really interested, you know, they had been eliminated. So it was whatever. They got a third and a fifth for Trent. But go ahead. You're saying that they're sending Ertz out there so Ertz realizes that he's not worth what he thinks he's worth. Maybe.

Right. I mean, that could be part of that issue. Hey, you're worth more to us than anything else. I don't know. I mean, I would give up a fourth for Ertz. I'd probably give up. Let's play this game again. he's 31,

gives him four good years. Three for sure if he's not hurt. Well, but he's going to be at some point. Well, I mean, it just seems to be the, if you had Ertz,

if Ertz fell at the fourth round of the draft, someone's going to take him. You're going to take him. Plus, he's under contract for the next three years, and the Eagles are going to eat a lot of the guarantee on it. He's under contract until 2023. Right.

I like I'd trade for Hertz right now. Well, I get it done. I like the thought of Hertz because I know how Ryan Fitzpatrick would probably immediately be in sync with a guy like Hertz. No doubt. And the other thing too is that Logan Thomas is going to be a nice little guy, big guy for Hertz, for Fitzpatrick. Nice little big weapon for him. but it would be great to have two of those guys. Gerald Everett is the guy that's left.

Gerald Everett would be interesting. Oh, how about this? The chiefs are offering on Earths? Oh, rumor. Well, the Chiefs show interest in training for Zach. Hertz, Kelsey, Hill, Watkins, etc. And, you know, they watch the Patriots put two tight ends out there. let's do the same for Patrick Mahomes.

By the way, I'll just say this again. If they don't get a tight end and they're not going to get Kyle Pitts, okay, you're not, you're going, he's going top five. Sixth, the latest. So if you don't get a tight end, you are going to have to extend and you've got, you're going to, you're going to have to, well, if they don't get a tight end, I don't know what it'll say, but one of the things it might say is it might say, we really like Logan and we're good with Logan.

But if that... They have to have to get somebody else though, buddy. If they... You can be good with Logan, but they try to operate in a two-tied-in system. They like 85 as a blocker. What was his name? 85. Baugh?

Yeah, Ba'a. They liked him as a blocker. Well, they didn't really... I mean, he was okay. They have... Well, Sprinkles's not coming back. Thadius Moss, the guy they drafted. Did they end up putting him on, did they end up putting him on injured reserve? I forget.

Yeah, what did they do with Thaddeus Mons? I don't remember. I think he got injured and that was one of the deals. I mean, you know, between AGG and Thaddeus Moss, I mean, our whole fan base thought that they had just drafted Kellan Winslow and Randy Moss. He went in the draft last year. Thaddy's Mawson wasn't even drafted, right? He was an undrafted free agent. I think they really need another receiver.

And I say that knowing nothing about what they think of Kelvin Harmon, what they still think of Stephen Sims Jr., of what they think of in the first year of AGG. We just know that we didn't see a lot of AGG. But Curtis Samuel, to me, still makes a lot of sense. I think he makes a lot of sense. Yeah, I think they'll get, I've been, you know, we thought they would acquire Curtis Samuel. Well, you know, it's happening coolly. If you're following the receiver thing,

first of all, the receiver market, because you had a couple of teams, like Chicago, you know, and Tampa, tag Robinson and Godwin. That limited, that sort of limited the field. And then you've got all these players, receivers in the draft. And so the lower cap, all of the players in the draft. You're not seeing, you're seeing the receiver market here, at least, you know, in the first few days, a bit depressed. So teams could be just waiting saying, we don't have to rush. We're going to get this guy for less than what he's asking for right now. So that may be part of what's going on with the wide receivers. But I would think that, you know, Ryan Fitzpatrick's going to have more than just Terry McClure, Antonio Gibson, J.D. McKissick, and Logan Thomas to work with.

And Cam Sims, who they officially tendered yesterday. Okay. What else on the WFT? You have any other? Sorry, it took me a minute to even register that. No, your receiver market, they're also waiting for Smith Shoes, or sorry, for Galladay. You mean for everyone to see what kind of deal he gets? Yeah, everyone's waiting for Gallaudet to sign. Right. Like if I'm Will Fuller and Curtis Samuel, I'm not, or even Smith-Schuster, I'm waiting until the biggest deal he goes.

Right. So it's not necessarily depressed as much as it's like, okay, well, what's this guy going to get? Yeah. This is callate, where is he? He hasn't signed yet. No. No.

I'm looking to see if anything's been breaking here this morning. Not much. In fact, the two Washington, the Lamar-Met Miller and David Sharp were signing, the Raiders reached a deal with John Brown. I mean, Corey Davis signed. Well, he signed, yeah, on Monday with the Jets. 10 million a year. Yeah, that was lower than I thought it was going to be.

And so now if I'm a receiver, I'm definitely not signing until Ghaladay signs. That's a mistake by him. I should have waited for a holiday. I, uh, oh, I had one other quick comment. So I had mentioned a guy that I wanted. And, you know, trust me, I didn't think of him as a number one corner. I thought of him as a true, versatile defensive back and play a number of positions, can return punts for you in Desmond King.

Oh, yeah. Who I loved coming out of Iowa. And he hasn't been signed yet. And he's like on everybody's like top 10 players yet to be signed. and I started reading why he wasn't signed. And I did come across a story that basically there's some big red flags on Desmond King as a locker room guy. That he can be difficult. And this is, again, from various reporters that covered the Titans this year.

That's where he was. And remember, you know, he went to the Titans from the Chargers after being really good for the Chargers. So on essentially a rookie deal to already been moved, something ain't right there. So, you know, I bet you he's not even, and was never on their list. I just thought he was a really good player, and I still do. The other guy, too, that I don't think is on their list. But I love as a player because I just think he's super explosive. and I understand how many games he's missed.

But Will Fuller hasn't been signed either. But my God, his upside is massive. Like that guy is a true take the top off the defense, and he's got great hands, and he's got great yards after catch. I love Will Fuller. I just don't know if he'll be on, you know, the WFT list. He'd be on my list.

He'd be on my list. I'd do a hell of a lot of due diligence. I'd be worried about all the injuries. I'd be worried about the suspension. But, you know, he is going to help somebody in a major way. Well, I just look at it like Fuller, Samuel, Godwin. Godwin would be in play for me, especially after the Corey Davis deal. I'd be off.

Well, Godwin got tagged. Not God, why do I keep saying Godwin? Gulladay. Oh, Gala Day. Gala Day would be on my list. I'm looking at a quarterback that can throw the ball and can read the entire field. I want two dudes that can really stretch the field for. And you know what, Cooley?

The fact that you have this quarterback, I don't care how old he is. I don't care what many of you... And he's not that expensive this year? Yeah, well, I mean, they've got hardly anything invested in the quarterback position in aggregate. It's like $12 million bucks. The bottom line is you got a better shot at getting Kenny Goladay to consider you with Ryan Fitzpatrick here than you do with we're going to have two guys battling it out. Kyle Allen and Taylor Heineke. You may have seen them in the playoff game. We almost beat the eventual Super Bowl champions. All right. When we come back, I want to talk about this Trent Williams deal. We'll do that right after this word from one of our sponsors.

Trent Williams signed late last night, or he's going to sign. He agreed in terms. The actual league calendar begins today, or the league year starts at 4 p.m. where all these deals will get signed. But according to Adam Schefter and he broke the news last night, six years, $138.06 million, $55.1 million of it guaranteed. He's the highest paid offensive lineman in NFL history. Williams thought he deserved that. This organization didn't want to give it to him. This organization got very petty, got very hard-headed, should have traded him early, and it ended up trading him late.

Never played for them. He lost some money, but he more than got it back. And Washington ends up with basically a fifth rounder and an additional third rounder that they got for this upcoming draft from San Francisco. He got paid. He got paid. He got paid by that team, and I thought it would be a reach to think of him going anywhere else. You know, one of the promises, remember when they made the trade is they wouldn't tag him.

But the quid pro quo for not tagging him is to say, but you got to really, you know, negotiate in good faith with us to come back. You know, that's probably not in there contractually. But Trent wanted to play in San Francisco. He wanted to go back and be a part of the Kyle Shanahan thing. But what's your reaction to that massive deal? for Trump Williams. I just haven't seen anybody better at that position. He's an unbelievable player, Jeff.

And he's unbelievable in both aspects of the game. As far as run blocking, past blocking, he's a lead at both. It's worth it. What's the total, so 55 million in total guaranteed money? So the 138 makes him the highest paid player of all time. Well, offensive linemen, yeah. Yeah, sorry. But this is like a three-year contract.

Four at most. Yeah, like the last few years avoidable or whatever. Right. Like the 55, he's making $20 million a year, and he's got 55 and fully guaranteed money. So they're essentially going to guarantee like three years. Well, it's more than 20. Washington could have done this.

It's more than $20 million a year. It's six. six into 138 is 23. Well, it depends on they structured it, but it's 55 and fully guaranteed. Yeah, I understand that. But in terms of the AAV, it's $23 million. Yeah, but by the end of it, but I'm sure by the end of the fourth year, you can be out of that. Okay, but to start, it's $23 million.

Yeah, it's great for him. I mean, it's incredible. It's great for him. It's great for San Francisco. I think it's a good deal. I would have done the deal with him a couple years ago. You think he's better than Terran Smith? Yeah.

You think he was better than Joe Staley? Joe Thomas. Joe Thomas. I would pay Joe Thomas this money. I think he was better than Jason Peters. Yeah, yeah, I do. I think he was better than Jason Peters. I mean,

I watched a lot of this guy and watched him grow up. I mean, he was better than Chris Samuels. Chris Samuels was one of the best to play the game at that position. You've never talked about the comparison between Trump Williams and Chris Samuels. Two of the greatest luck tackles in franchise history. Chris Samuels is an unbelievable player, consistent, incredible blocker, really good as a past protector. I just think, I think Trent's just so freakishly athletic, Kev.

Right. And he's aggressive. Like he's violent, he's physical, he plays physical, and he's just so freakishly athletic that he gets things done that most offensive women can't get done. Really smart too, right? Very smart. Yep, good player to play with.

Play next to him. Always good communicator. knows what's going on. Trent's a good player. You know, his season in 2021, he's going to be 33 years old. Mm-hmm. I mean, you know, what did you say you think the real deal is, that it's a three to four-year deal, basically, you know,

looking at the 55 million guaranteed? Yeah, I mean. Are the details of this not out anywhere yet other than... Six years, 138.06 million, $30.1 million signing bonus, 55.1 million guaranteed AAV, average annual salary of $23 million. Yeah, what is the year salary in years five and six? They don't have the cap hits out yet. Right. Yeah, they haven't broken that down yet.

So, um, he's all. He got hurt last year again. He missed some games last year. I'm pretty sure he did. I'm looking it up right now. My memory is that he missed some games. Yeah, but the one thing that I'm sure Kyle knows about Trent, and I know about Trent, is he'll play hurt too.

I know. I know he did. Like the guy will play hurt all the time. He'll practice hurt. He's tough. And we're past that point of, any sort of weed offense. Well, there's no weed things anymore anyway.

He missed two games last year. So in the last three seasons he played, because he didn't play in 2019, obviously. God, look at this. I mean, he hasn't played 16 games since 2013. He played 12 in 2016. That was the four-game suspension, which really was perfectly timed with their playoff run. They sort of needed him down the stretch, and he wasn't there for him.

In 2017, he missed six games. In 2018, he missed three games, and last year he missed two games. But God damn, does he play hurt? He's out there a lot. You know, Morgan Moses, same thing. How many times he's just gone out there? He's been on an injury report all week long, and somehow he's out there. By the way, false starting without it being called.

I don't think any player I've watched in recent years, false starts more without it being called than Morgan Moses. didn't do it as much this year. He did it a couple times, but not as much. Later in the season. Pro Football Focus has what they call an improvement index, how much you've improved here during Free Agency. New England's number one right now and Washington after the Fitzgerald and Jackson signings is number two. And that quarterback's important. Yeah, and they replaced Darby with an even better player. Andy Dalton, okay, goes to Chicago.

Now, part of this, the reporting on this, according to Rappaport, and I'm paraphrasing right now because I don't have it up in front of me, is that there was a meeting in Fargo, North Dakota, between the Seahawks and the Bears, Ryan Pace and John Schneider. Why they went to Fargo? Well, probably because there was no social distancing and no need for anything other than just a sit-down conversation. I don't know why. bottom line was Seattle was interested in moving on from Russell Wilson, but clearly the Bears

couldn't give them what they wanted. And now Seattle says they are not trading Russell Wilson. So the Bears went out and signed Andy Dalton to a one-year $10 million deal, a Ryan Fitzpatrick deal. Now, I don't think as much of his deal is guaranteed, I think, from what I read. But still, now Chicago has Dalton and Foles. I like Dalton a little bit. I mean, I always have. So I don't, if they had gotten Dalton instead of Fitzpatrick, I think I still would have thought Dalton's the absolute starter.

But I think because of Fitzpatrick's age, he's definitely the starter. Like you're not going to bring him in here and say, you know, we want you to compete. Fitzpatrick's better than Dalton. Fitzpatrick's better than Dalton. Yeah, I agree with that. I mean, that's just my feeling on it. I think Dalton, to some extent, you may have had some competition. But if he was, I mean, the thing is, is if he's decent, even he should win that competition as a, you know, as a starting quarterback for the long time in the league.

Agreed. Like that's the other thing is, if you're going to, if you're losing that competition, you're probably done, man. I don't know. If you lose out to Nick Foles, you're done. Is that what you meant to say? But I'm saying if Dalton was here and lost out to Heineke or Allen, he's not because they wanted one of those guys that much more.

Right. But I do think they would have competed with Dalton. I don't think they compete with Fitzpatrick. All right. Well, thumbs up on Fitzpatrick, thumbs up on Jackson. We may have a- They signed Dustin Hopkins back, your guy? Well, I knew they were going to do that. I'm fine with that. Yeah.

I think, you know, they need a couple of more weapons on offense. I don't know what they'll do at left tackle. It could be Lucas, ultimately. they may be confident with Cornelius Lucas or Sadiq Charles. They signed Lamar Miller. They re-signed David Sharp. We never saw Miller on the field. I always loved Lamar Miller as a player.

I remember when he was a free agent a few years back. I think you and I were doing the show. I'm like, I'd sign Lamar Miller. He's a little bit later in his career now, but he's going to be a guy that, you know, can do a lot of the same things that Gibson and McKissick can do. Actually, I think he can do a lot of the things. that Gibson can do. Right.

I think that, you know, the Fitzpatrick thing and the Jackson thing, I know it's just two players. You know, Jackson is the first, well, no, Landon Collins was the top rated safety in the year they signed him. But, you know, after a decade of signing the number one guy at a various position and overpaying them by 20%. We didn't really have a lot of that during, you know, 2010 through 2020. They took a big swing at Stafford here in the offseason. Last year they took a big swing at Cooper. You're not going to connect on all of them. And you ended up with Fitzpatrick and then the number one corner in free agency, which really, I wonder if Jackson was the plan all along, and that's why they were okay with Darby leaving. But they got a better guy. They got an upgrade

there. I think they've gotten an upgraded quarterback for at least next year. And, And we're off and running here in free agency. Good job. Everybody wanted to hear your breakdown at Fitzpatrick in particular and getting it on Jackson today as well. I'm going to be back tomorrow with Tommy. And then I will be here with Cooley on Friday. Chris will be with me on Friday.

I'm sure there will be more players that get signed between now and then. Cooley, we are done for the day. It's St. Patrick's Day. I'm going to go play golf. a good day, maybe drink a beer or several before the end of the day. Have a good one. I love that, man. Enjoy yourself.