The Kevin Sheehan Show - Cooley On Watson's Worth

Episode Date: January 29, 2021

Cooley and Kevin today with some some Super Bowl thoughts a week in advance before getting into a lengthy conversation about Deshaun Watson's worth and whether or not Washington should be aggressive in trying to acquire him. Also, should Washington move on from Landon Collins? The boys debated what Collins would be worth in a trade.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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we're going to get to the Deshawn Watson stuff from yesterday. Cooley, I'm actually really excited about the Super Bowl. And usually it's very eye-cloth. anti-climactic, and by the time you get there, you're already worn out from all the storylines, and it's like, let's get to the game. I really am excited about this Super Bowl game. I think it's a fascinating matchup, and I actually think I'm going to have money on Tampa Bay, and I think they can win the game. I think they can win the game as well. I think it's a great matchup. Someone asked me the other day, other than the Mahomes and Brady matchup, what are you excited about in this game.

Well, I'm excited to see if Tampa can shut down Kansas City. I'm excited about Bowles versus Reed slash B enemy. Me too. I think Bowls can do it. I think that's going to be the telling point of the game. I can't wait for that. That's exactly what I'm excited about. And I thought about something, by the way.

You know, last year, as good as San Francisco's defense was, and ultimately they had Jimmy Garoppolo playing a quarter. They did not have Tom Brady a quarterback. But they really shut the Chiefs down. I was looking at this the other day. The Chiefs had basically punts and interceptions and turnovers, and they're down 20 to 10 late in the third quarter before, you know, the best quarterback on the field and maybe the best quarterback in the game.

Patrick Mahomes took the game over with Hill, et cetera. But he had been sacked four or five times. They had punted more times in a game than they had punted it seemed like all year long. Or they turned the ball over. They were either punting it or turning it over. And the 49ers were building this lead. You know, they had a 20 to 10 lead, you know, going into the fourth quarter, a two-score lead. So is Tampa better than the Niners were last year?

Well, they're better at quarterback. I don't think if there's any doubt. They're better than, they're better. They're better at quarterback and they're better offensively with playmakers overall. Now, Rahim Mostert was having himself a postseason last year, and they were able to run the football, and they ran it against Kansas City as well. But, you know, Garoppolo had a couple of horrible balls that killed them, and Mahomes got hot, which, you know, might happen in this one.

It might. But I can tell you right now, man, every sports book in America is going to need Tampa Bay. I mean, everything I'm seeing and the information I'm getting is that the public loves the chiefs. They don't love Brady in this game. That line's sitting at three. Scary, right? Maybe we should go in big, real big on Tampa. I'm not going to do that because it is Mahomes.

I mean, seriously, I mean, it is. Come on. Play the smell test. It's so. It doesn't matter. it is. I know it doesn't. This is going to be a, this is definitely going to be a smell test pick, but not the biggest one I've ever seen. I, Cooley, you know, there are teams in recent years like Alabama and college football and like the Chiefs in the NFL. I mean, it's hard

to freaking bet against them because you know the game could completely get sideways quickly. Now, the funny thing about the Chiefs this year is that they've been a horrible covering team. The Chiefs this year against the number are 8 and 10, you know, so they've actually been sub 500. There was a stretch there at the end of the season where I think it was like six or seven out of eight games. They didn't cover. They covered in the Buffalo game. They did not cover in the Cleveland game. I've got to go look this up.

Who did they play where Mahomes didn't play in the finale, and they got beat pretty badly? Was it the Chargers? The last game of the season. I can't remember. Either the Chargers of the Broncos. Hold on, here it is. Yeah, the Chargers beat them. They didn't cover in that game.

They barely beat Atlanta. Didn't cover in that game. They pushed against New Orleans. I mean, they really had a terrible year covering the number, especially after the beginning of the year. They had a stretch here of not covering. in eight of nine games. Eight of nine games.

That's a stretch, man. And the only game they didn't lose against the spread was the push against the Saints. In that game in that Sunday 425 slot right before the holiday came up. That was it. And the first game they've covered outright in like months was the playoff game against Buffalo. I had them. So they have not covered. Tampa, on the other hand, is covered in four of their last five,

and the only team that they did not cover against was Washington. After the line shot up when Taylor Heineke was going to start, and Alex Smith wasn't going to play to 10.5 points, Washington lost by 8. And there is no chance. No chance anyone thought Heineke would play that way. As good as Vegas is, there's no chance. Nope. They just can't.

They can't be that good. I'm sorry. They've been winning as an underdog outright too. I mean, at New Orleans, at Green Bay in the postseason. They were an underdog against, well, they didn't beat the Chiefs. You know, that only matchup with the Chiefs went sideways early. Kansas City dominated them. But I think Tampa Bay is a different team now.

Anyway, we'll have plenty of time to analyze that game. but it sounds to me like you're going to lean Tampa as well. That can be a painful side to be on against the Chiefs. There's no doubt that I fully, fully understand that there's a chance. I'm going to be on Tampa Bay plus the three, and Mahomes is going to be zipping it around to Hill and to Hardman and to Kelsey, and it's going to be 28 to 10 at halftime. I think so. It's totally in play. I don't think so. I just, I don't think so. Okay. I hope not.

Tampa's too good on defense. It's not just the scheme. They're incredibly talented. I honestly, I think top to bottom Tampa is the best roster in the NFL. Is the best what? Roster. Really? The best overall roster in the league. I haven't even thought about that. It would be hard to say that they're not because you look offensive lines good. Tom Brady's Tom Brady. They have two backs right now who can really run the ball, two tight ends who are good players and three elite wide receivers with a fourth that can play.

Defensively, there's not really any weaknesses. Their only weakness would potentially be at corner. But that dude, Murphy Bunting's got three picks and three games in the playoffs. they're playing outstanding with young players. That'd be their weakness. But up front, Indama Kinsu, Vida Vaya is back. Vita Vaya. Bolson's a good player. Pierre Paul.

Everyone understands that. Shaq Barrett has been unbelievable. It's also not just like when you say that old Giants team that beat Tom Brady, they had a great front. Well, Tampa's got more than a great front. They probably have the best combination of linebackers in the league. Not probably. They do with Devin White and Levante David.

Those are the two best inside linebackers in the league. I mean, no, I'm thinking about this. Top to bottom, they're the most consistent, solid roster. I mean, when we had the conversation about Brady, I kept saying to you, that team was good with James Winston

and so close and just a quarterback away. The only team, so here are a couple of teams that would be in their class, okay? New Orleans would be in their class. Obviously, the quarterback ended up being more of an issue than anything else, but New Orleans's roster would be in that Tampa class. And really, you know...

Black complete weapons on offense. They have two of the biggest in the NFL. They do, and they didn't have one of them. And they didn't have one of them most of the year. But so I'm not taking into consideration that Michael Thomas wasn't Michael Thomas this year. But he wasn't. You know, he barely played, ultimately. But that was a great sort of defensive, offensive, offensive team, special teams team.

They had a returner. They had a great defense, playmaking defense, and then they had real weapons offensively. And really, you know, you and I had this conversation during the course of the year, and I just kept saying, I don't know if I believe in Breeze. I believe in that defense. I'm not sure I believed them. and they kept winning, and they kept looking really good winning. And he did play really well.

So New Orleans would be one of those rosters that was really close. I don't think I'd put Buffalo's roster in that category of Tampa's roster, because defensively it doesn't match Tampa's, but certainly the playmakers and the quarterback offensively. How about Baltimore's roster? Baltimore's roster is really good. Yeah, I think Baltimore is a really well-built team, and they're built in the way they are trying to win football games. But yeah, what's amazing is, like, you look at their defense and one of their impact starters this year was Parnell McPhee.

I know. I mentioned him on the radio today when I was mentioning Kendall Reyes and some of the, you know, the C-minus players that Bruce Allen signed for A-plus contracts and he was so proud of himself. Pranel McPhee actually was really good in Baltimore and has been I mean Baltimore's got one receiver and going into the year they had two really good tight ends but then Boyle got hurt

they have three great backs and Lamar Jackson they're pretty good up front I like their offensive line defensively they're stacked let's see defensively it's they have Earl Thomas Marlon Humphrey Marcus Peters in the secondary

and Chuck Clark's a pretty good player Malik Harrison and Patrick Queen are both good backers Patrick Queen came on late Clayus Campbell that dude Judeon the guy from Maryland that was with the Jags

what's his name um um um um and Gokway yeah yeah in Gokwee after he was with the jagged and the Vikings.

I'm actually embarrassed it. I can sit here and rattle off the rosters. Watching a lot of football this year for the first time. You know, what's interesting is, and this will help us get into the conversation, which we're going to today about Deshawn Watson and more on just the overall quarterback situation with Washington.

By the way, I think Pittsburgh's roster was pretty good. San Francisco's, if you, San Francisco were to add a quarterback, they're right there. Yeah, and they get both of them back. and healthy, definitely. But it just goes to show you that, you know, you can have one of the top three or four overall rosters in the NFL and not even get to the final four without the real answer quarterback. Because Baltimore's roster and New Orleans's rosters were really, really good, top flight rosters. But Breeze was not Breeze anymore. And Jackson, you know, has limitations.

He's not an elite. He was an MVP. But I think right. now after a couple of years. I think most of you, and I think most of you, would look at the elite quarterbacks and you would say, all right, Pat Mahomes, Josh Allen, Aaron Rogers, you know, you can't really throw the old guys into the conversation anymore. You can't throw Breeze and Brady into the conversation right now. Russell Wilson, Deshawn Watson, and then you would start thinking about another tier, which would include Lamar Jackson. And I think he almost deserves his own tier altogether because of the style of play and the style of play that you need to commit to as a franchise with him as your quarterback. But you can have a great defense. You can

have a great roster, but you really need to have the quarterback. And, you know, this will get us into the conversation, which we'll get to your moment to momentarily, but it really is a big debate among fans, you know, Washington fans in particular as we think about the quarterback for what we now believe is a developing playoff contending kind of roster. You know, can you go ahead and just keep building it the way you've been building it through the draft without, you know, giving up a lot and be a Super Bowl contender eventually, you know, get to the, you know, the, the, get into a situation, excuse me, where you're contending year and year out for a decade, or do you have to say, yeah, that's all well and good, and it's good that we have a good supporting cast, but we need

the quarterback. My belief is the latter, and we'll get to that in the conversation about Watson, right after this word from one of our sponsors. Before we get to Sean Watson, did you see Cooley what Tom Brady said about Bruce Ariens yesterday? Did you read after those quotes? I did. For those that didn't see him, in talking about Bruce Ariens, the coach of the Buccaneers and his first year in playing for Bruce Ariens, quote, he's a great man, a great leader, a great person, a great friend. He's very loyal.

He's just got a great way about communicating effectively with everybody around here. everybody has a great affection for him for the person he is there's nobody that would ever say anything bad about BA he's just so endearing to everybody and i think everyone wants to win for him closed quote uh that's awesome just straight gushing straight gushing for bruce a i e bill bellichick's a great strategist and did a hell of a job building a team in a roster Doofbag, though, in the meeting rooms. I mean, do you know,

Dushbag in the facility? His father took a shot at Belichick after they won the NFC championship game, Tom Brady's father, last week. And I'm looking for the quotes right now because I want to read him verbatim. After the game, Tom Brady, Tom Brady, Sr. said that went out of his way to talk about how Robert Kraft had reached out to Tom, to Tommy, you know, Tommy,

Jr. Tommy. And to tell him how proud he was. And he went on and on. Tom Brady's father did about how, you know, how much they love, you know,

Robert Kraft. And then somebody asked about Belichick. And he said, well, quote, I'm guessing he's on a little bit of a hot seat right now. Close quote. You know, what's been made very clear if it wasn't clear already,

the relationship between Belichick and Tom Brady was just not good. You know, after 20 years of all that success together, they had just grown sick of each other. And, you know, unlike Deshawn Watson, by the way, which we'll get to in a moment, Brady was a free agent. You know, this was, he was building towards free agency. He had the right to do this. And, you know, the Patriots could have made a real effort to bring them back, and they didn't.

And what we're kind of learning is it's because of Belichick in that relationship. man, you know, I think Belichick is sort of getting a little bit of the short end of the stick here, man. He had players that were opting out before the season started for the COVID, you know, opt-out opportunity that was given to all NFL players. He didn't have a quarterback. He didn't have any cap space. He had to lose key players. And you know what the truth is? They were still pretty competitive considering how limited they were.

They got their ass kicked in a few games. They did. How many games did they win? Seven and nine. They were seven and nine. With Cam Newton who really just couldn't play. And they must have known Stidham couldn't play. Yeah.

Because they just stuck with Newton. Yeah. I'm surprised about Stidtum. I thought he would be decent. I do think that there was something to that relationship with Tom, one, in a positive way, that Tom was the, basically the echo of Belichick did the right thing for a team to win was a coach on the field per se probably not as much of a coach on the field as he wanted to be though in what it sounds like

with a lot of these comments and some of the stuff they're letting him do in Tampa Bay but Tom was that rock for Bill and even if he didn't want to be in the last couple years I'll bet you he was I bet you he did the right thing the right way and losing that is going to be hard for Bill because you now just have that one hard ass that you got to respond to, whereas you used to have Bill and then you're still accountable to Tom Brady. Now it's just Bill. You get a lot of dudes that look at it and go, Tom didn't like it. We don't like it.

And why should we put up with this? So maybe he is on a little bit of a hot seat. Not that he's not brilliant. can you continue to be stone cold in terms of emotion, in terms of how you handle your team, in 2020, 2021,

especially without Tom. I think it's going to be tougher. I would not bet against him with all that cap space. You know, he hasn't... No, I'm not going to bet against him. I'm just suggesting it might be a little bit tougher than it's been. Yeah, I mean, you know,

Mike, Tomlin's can be tough. John Harbaugh can be tough. Andy Reid, probably not so much. And, you know, they won a lot of games. Look, I guess what I'm trying to get at is... Andy Reid's not tough compared to Bill Belichick. Let me just say, here's the...

No, no, no, I'm saying Andy Reid's not. Yeah, Andy Reid's the opposite. I'm saying Tomlin's more in that mold, and Harbaugh might be a little bit more in that mold. Maybe not even Harbaugh. But the point is here is, to me, it's way, way too early to have a verdict on Brady versus Belichick. And really, what's the point anyway? I mean, does anybody really believe that they weren't, you know, at the very least,

equally, you know, equal contributors to the dynasty? I mean, Bill Belichick was many people believe the reason the Giants won two Super Bowls as their defensive coordinator, the way he figured out, you know, how to beat a lot of really good teams. How to beat Jim Kelly in the Super Bowl. And how to get out of the NFC, which was just, you know, the one thing that the Patriots, as you look back on the Patriots, there was a lot of good fortune. One of the things that they were incredibly fortunate about is they were in the worst division over the last 20 years.

So they won it every single year. They had home field advantage. They still had to win those playoff games and they still had to beat Peyton, you know, a ton. and they had to beat the Steelers a bunch. But, you know, they were always there with 12, 13, 14 wins and playing in Foxborough, you know, after a first round by. You know, when Belichick was the defensive coordinator for Parcells, they were in the best division in football year and in year out. And in the better conference with the 49ers and with the Rams and with the Bears. And then, you know, Washington and Dallas and Philadelphia in their division.

division. Not to mention the Cardinals, who actually had some decent years back then in the division. Anyway, it's way too early, I think, to count Belichick out from what we think of him, which he's the greatest coach of all time. Like Brady advancing to the Super Bowl, even if he wins it, to me, is just confirmation, more confirmation about whatever you've thought about Brady. But it doesn't take away from Belichick in my eye. Look, in the moment it does, But this, he went in with a, Brady went in with a stacked deck. And, you know, Belichick went in there with like nothing this year. And you could almost say the fact they won seven games is a miracle.

They won some good, they beat the Ravens. They beat the Cardinals. They beat, I'm looking at their schedule right now. They beat the Raiders early on in the year. They nearly beat Seattle. They had a really good game at Arrowhead against the. the Chiefs. They were still a good defense.

Don't forget that. They beat the Chargers 45 to nothing late in the year when the Chargers were really hanging big offensive numbers on teams where they were playing well offensively and they shut them out 45-0. Now, wasn't there a bunch of special teams plays in that game? I think they had like two special teams touchdowns or at least one. No, two. They had a 70-yard punt return and a blocked field goal return in that game against the

Chargers. still, you beat somebody 45-0-0, a Chargers team that could score. They had some offensive ability. I bet, look, let's get to Deshawn Watson. I bet you New England is a player in that. Big time. I want to start with this before I get to what I put out on a poll today on Twitter. If you owned the Houston Texans, would you trade him?

So, yeah, I would trade him. I have it just depends on to who and for what I was going through looking at some of the proposed trades and some of the opportunities that they could have let me give you the for example Miami Miami's got four picks this year in the first two rounds including number three overall which was Houston's right and they have twoa yep who if you remember going into last season, it was tank for Tua. Right. He's the number one. He's the short thing. If you're Houston and you could get Tua and two number ones, I think that that's intriguing for sure.

I've looked at a proposed trade with the Jags. The Jags have two first this year, number one overall and number 25. And it would be plus. it would be those two plus. I mean, basically everyone's saying it's got to be the value of three number ones, maybe at a minimum, and then plus. Yeah, but the problem with Jacksonville is I just can't see that they would trade Deshawn Watson in the division.

But maybe the other way to look at it is you're trading Deshawn Watson for Trevor Lawrence and you're getting a lot more. Absolutely. Well, the other side of it is Deshawn Watson's essentially. he's got to agree to the trade. He's got a no trade clause. Right. So he's got to agree to the trade. There's a proposed trade I saw with Carolina where it's, Houston's going to receive a 2021 first and a second, a 22 first, a 2023 first, and

Teddy Bridgewater. Kevin, I mean, you're talking about three, four first rounds or three first in a second plus a quarterback. I think that you have to. to consider that. If you believe that you could, if you're Nick Casario in Houston and you believe that you know who to get and you can at least get a sure thing at quarterback or an answer at quarterback, yeah, for sure. I mean, look at the Jets. The Jets have two firsts this year and they have Sam Darnold. Get two first. Darnold plus a second plus whatever. Yeah. If you didn't want to trade him, I have a crazy question for you that I just thought I thought about.

So really Watson hasn't necessarily disclosed exactly how frustrated he is or why with Houston. The idea is that he wasn't involved in the hiring of a GM. And I don't know if he was involved in the hiring of a new head coach because they hired David Coley from Baltimore. Well, he clearly wasn't impressed by that. But they kept his offensive coordinator who he liked. Yeah. Well, after the Cully announcement was when we got all the breaking news yesterday that Deshaun Watson has requested a trade. He may have done it already, but it became official yesterday after the Cully announcement. So Cully wasn't clearly enough for Watson to say, oh, that's a good hire. I'm going to stay here.

Who did Watson want? Is my other question. Would you think of the enemy? Would that have got it done to keep him? So here's what I was going to ask you. Yeah. And I guess you're too deep into it now. with Coley and maybe Watson likes Coley, would you have just fired Casario and started over?

Say Casario, we're going to pay a lot of money here, but we got to keep our quarterback. And apparently he needs to make the decision on the GM. I'll tell you what, it would just add to what has truly been one of the more dysfunctional situations and organizations, you know, outside of, you know,

our place here and, you know, a couple of others. I mean, in the last six months to a year, The Eagles and the Texans have become, like, so dysfunctional. It's really nice to see with Philly. Would I do that? You know, let me back up. I mean, I would have played it differently than Cala McNair. I would have never promised to Sean Watson if that's indeed what he did,

that he was going to be involved in the selection or the process of helping to select a general manager or head coach. I would have never set that expectation, but I would have over-delivered. I would have said, hey, Nick Casario is here interviewing for the general manager. job tomorrow. I really appreciate it if you've got 30 to 45 minutes to sit down and talk with them. I'd love it to know what your opinion is because it's all about making somebody feel like they're involved. And by the way, I would value, you know, Deshawn Watson's opinion if I were the owner. And I'd want it, but I would never set the expectation that he then apparently reneged on. I mean, you just can't do that, especially with younger people who feel.

And look, the world of sports has changed. The NFL does not want to turn into an NBA. But if Watson gets dealt, there's a lot of NBA in this situation because Watson signed a deal in September. Like if Watson forces his way... To be the second highest player paid in the history of the NFL. Yeah. So, you know, I bet the league isn't really thrilled about this. not thrilled with the way Houston handled it,

not thrilled with the possibility that this could be like the beginning of, you know, players, you know, demanding trades and not honoring contracts. You know, the NFL's already always been different than the NBA. It's been more like most businesses, you know. When you sign a contract, you live up to it. You don't sign a contract and then the next day say,

yeah, I sign that thing, but I don't want to do it. that. I don't want to do that anymore. I don't like that. Watson signed the deal in September. By the way, just as a matter of fact, after D'Andre Hopkins got traded. So he had to sense already the dysfunction of the situation that he was about to sign his way into for several more years. But he signed it anyway. And I would also, somebody wrote this to me, and I think it's fair. When you're 25 years old and somebody puts a contract in front of you that will make you the second highest paid player in the the game behind Patrick Mahomes who would just sign that deal. It's hard not to sign it.

But then, you know, four months later to demand to get out of it is really tough for the person that gave you that contract to deal with. So from my standpoint, if I were the Texans, there is no way I would trade Deshawn Watson unless I got. Oh, there's a way. Hold on. unless I got Deshawn Watson back. I'm not, coolly, here's the thing.

We're missing, I'm not saying you are. I'm suggesting you might be. Watson is 25 years old. He's got a big arm. He can make every throw. He's a playmaker inside the pocket, outside the pocket. He's a dangerous runner. He's a scrambler.

As a dual threat zone read guy, he's an unquestioned leader on the field and off of it. His talent is top five. His production is top five. His intangibles are A-plus. He's the definition of an elite quarterback. And he is the definition, certainly one of the many definitions, of an elite franchise quarterback.

He is a leader on your field, inside your locker room, and in your community. There is nothing about this guy that says he isn't the guy. He's one of those that you have to have if you're going to be for 10 years in the playoffs, 90% of the time, and 30% of the time have a chance to win the Super Bowl. You know, this guy this year completed 70.2% of his passes through for nearly 5,000 yards, 33 touchdowns, seven interceptions, rushed for 4.50 and 3 touchdowns on a terrible team in the midst of the worst dysfunction that organization's ever had. Holmes is better. Aaron Rogers is better. Maybe Josh Allen is better. I'm not counting the old guys.

I'm not going to count Brady or Breeze anymore. Russell Wilson might be better. He is available. And you franchises, 25, 26 of them don't have this person and probably will never find this person. Like the chances of finding this guy are a long shot with draft choices.

It's like one out of every five in the first round hits, one out of every four. He's available. It is the most unique situation we've ever seen. It will bring back if he is traded. It will bring back the largest hall in the history of a trade in the league. It'll break the Herschel Walker deal. When the Cowboys traded Herschel Walker to the Vikings for just essentially the founding.

of what would become three Super Bowls in four years during the Jimmy Johnson era. You cannot be a consistent winner. Like, you can be a winner occasionally. You can be a decent team. You can be the 49ers last year with Jimmy Garoppolo. You can be the Broncos with Peyton Manning. You can get a little bit lucky with Nick Foles. But you can't be what the Packers have been, what the Seahawks have been,

what the Chiefs are on the verge of becoming, what the bills might be on the verge of becoming without having that position taken care of. So for me, I would not trade him unless I was getting him back. And if I were a team without one of those guys, I would be super aggressive in trying to land him. And that's where, you know, if I want to go to the whole Washington situation and what you would do or what you wouldn't do, I would be.

Hold on, though. Yeah. Hold on. Go ahead. Before you say you won't trade him. what if you don't trade him in, you don't have him? So basically what it looks like, I think the NFL can find him like $620,000 a game. Yeah, there's a lot.

He's going to feel it. He's going to feel it, but he just signed a contract worth $77 million in new money. So he got a massive lump sum. Yeah, but if he ends up not playing a retire, he's going to have to pay some of that back. And they can go after it. They can go after it. He's not going to retire. Yeah.

Here's when he's going to feel it, okay? And they can say this to him. Deshawn, after two years, you're really going to start to feel this. Sort of. But he's still got a salary. He's got a $10 million-based salary. It's essentially going to cost him like $12, $13 million to sit out an entire year. They can find him for mini-camp.

They can find him for training camp, $50 grand a day for training camp. Right. The fines plus they're not, they don't have to pay him. A couple million. I mean, it might be $14 million. Yeah. I mean, he's going to, but he's just signed a $70 million contract. And if you're to Sean Watson, you're like, the second I go somewhere else, I'm going to make that money back.

It's not running back. It's not the levy on bail situation where he was going to sit out because he didn't want to be franchise tech. This is a different situation. Sean Watson's got a massive contract. He's going to get it the second he steps on the field. I understand that and he's already gotten a lot of lump sum money up front. I understand that. I do.

I know where you're going with this. Like, it's a real dilemma. It's a real dilemma. It's not good for either party, but it's really not good for Houston. I know. It's just not worth it to you. And if you really want him back, if you really said, we're not trading you because we really want you. But we're really going to teach you a lesson with this.

You know, we're going to find you every penny of it. Like, do you really find him every penny of it? You're damn right, I would. You're going to have to, but then he's definitely not coming back. Okay. Well, you know, at some point he's going to want to play football. He's not going to wait for the four years to run out. And then even then, I'm sure the team would have major lawsuits and grievances to try to get a lot of the money that they paid him back.

You know, the bottom line is he signed the contract. Oh, I understand it completely. He has to play. The contracts are now so big that it's going to become like the NBA with certain players because they can afford it. They have to be careful, though, Cooley. If they just give in and they end up taking, you know, a package. that doesn't equal what Deshaun Watson would give that organization over the next decade? It's a terrible precedent.

Look, here's what I would do if I own the team. I would sit down with him and figure it out. You know, Andrew Brandt, the longtime NFL executive for the Packers, and I've had him on the show before, he tweeted something out. He said all the photoshopping of Deshawn Watson on new teams, you know, because everybody's doing that with Deshawn Watson in their own teams uniform. as that commences, a couple of words from the relax corner, as in relax everybody. Number one, he can't trade himself, which is true.

Number two, if the GM trades Watson, he will be the old GM soon. And number three, he wrote, it's January, the season is eight months away, as with all things, we'll see. dot, dot, dot. You know, essentially saying, let's all take a deep breath, he ain't getting traded. And it wouldn't surprise me if that is the ultimate conclusion to this.

Now, this Jack Easterby dude that's in the organization that apparently nobody likes and Watson doesn't like, you know, if Cal McNair picks Jack Easterby, team chaplain and team character coach

over Deshawn Watson, and I were a Texans fan, I would be outraged. Outraged. And so, by the way, I think your boy Bruce, I think your boy Bruce would dig his heels in and say, fuck you. You're playing for me. I'm not trading you. He already proved that he would.

Well, yeah, but this would be a little bit different because, you know, he just paid him. He just paid him. So let's move it to Washington. If I'm Washington, I would have been, I would have tried to be the first call to Houston a few weeks ago to say, we are in. We want to make an offer when you're ready to hear offers. And if they are ready to hear offers, I'm super aggressive, Cooley. I'm super aggressive. And I've thought about this in a number of ways, and I'll start with this, because I'm going to ask you the question.

How many games would they have won this year? If Deshawn Watson was on the team, but they didn't have their first round pick from this past year, and they didn't have Duran Payne on the team. How many games would they have won? I can't answer that question. Houston won four games. I understand that, but that was really a unique situation. 11 and 5, 11 and 5 in the previous two seasons and in the playoffs with him,

with not a great team necessarily. And this year, you know, they... Let me propose it to you this way. Okay. Without Deshaun, or with DeShon Watson, and you're going to lose, let's say you gave up Chase Young, Duran Payne, this year's first, next year's first. You win 10 games. Exactly.

If you just went back, look, if you took Chase Young off the team, just Chase Young and you had Duran Payne, you win 10 games. And the truth of the matter, matter is, you might still be playing football. It's possible. You would have still been the four seed with 10 wins. You would have won the division going away. And maybe you would have lost a tamp at home in that playoff game. Maybe. Maybe. But you would have had a chance to make a run. So why do we even have to discuss whether or not they should? Like, they should be aggressive.

I will tell you this, I don't think they'll get them. Like, I think there are going to be too many teams. And there are too many teams with better draft capital available, and you've already identified a few of them. They have no chance of getting him. But if Houston says, okay, Deshawn, but it's going to be, we're only trading you to an NFC team, they might have a chance then. Because if you're Houston and you are really influenced and forced into this, do you really want to be one of the teams in the AFC that doesn't have Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Pat Holmes, Deshawn Watson, or Justin Herbert as your starting quarter. Do you really want to be the rest? Look at what the AFC is going to have in quarterbacks. And you're going to be, you're one of the teams that has one of those guys. And now you're more likely than not going to be one of the teams

without that guy. That's why you can't even, you can't trade him. You'll never, you're going to not have a chance for a decade plus. You're actually one of the teams along with Buffalo, along with Baltimore, I guess, to a certain degree. Who knows, maybe the Chargers? You're one of those teams that may have a chance to compete against the Chiefs or against the Bills. Now, if Jacksonville... I get it, but it used to be that a player would sit out on principle and lose a boatload of money, which almost never happened because it's not going to happen. But you're also talking about a guy who probably can afford to sit out for two years. So what if they say, okay, but we are, you know, you got this no trade clause, which by the way

was really stupid of them. But then again, in September, did they really think they were going to have to trade them in January? Six months every decision. I mean, come on. But we need to, we can't send you to another AFC team. I'm sorry, but we have our limits here. you're going to put us into a position by taking all of our money and demanding a trade four months after you sign it,

and you're going to put us into purgatory. We're not going to have a chance to compete. With you, we have a chance to compete. If we don't have you, we're not going to add you to another team that we can't compete with. That's how highly we think of you. We've got to trade you to an NFC team. And he can say, I hear you. I know that you would like to trade me to an NFC team.

unfortunately I will not be going to an NFC team because I would like to go to Miami. Okay, well, if that's what you want to do, we wish you the best. We are not trading you. And it becomes sort of a waiting game. A purgatory game. You're in a bigger purgatory with him sitting on the bench. At least if you have Miami on your schedule next year, you don't have to play them. I'll tell you one thing.

I mean, the in the division thing is really interesting, right? Because you never trade like a great player in the division, which by the way, just as an aside, somebody said to me about Stafford, doesn't it reek of McNabb? I think I told you this. And I said, no, McNabb didn't want to play, didn't want a new system, the whole thing. And that was the one time coolly, I think I've told you in the past. If I'm being repetitive here, sorry, I forget if I mentioned this on Monday or Tuesday the last time you were on Monday. But the only time when Red Zebrae on the radio station, which was Dan Snyder on the radio station. The only time I was told anything about something that I said that they had a problem with, the night they traded for Donovan McNabb, it was Easter

night 2010. I was at my in-laws for Easter dinner. I get a call, and they want me to appear on ESPN to comment on the McNabb trade. And I said, fine, I'll do it. And it was a phone interview where they put up some hideous picture of me. And, you know, Kevin Sheehan from, you know, the team 980s. You're not that photogenic. I'm sorry. The team 980s. So anyway, face for radio.

So anyway. You're not ugly. You just don't take good pictures. So anyway, I said that night, to be honest with you, my first reaction is, why the hell would Andy Reid trade Donovan McNabb in the division to a division rival if he thought McNabb had anything like. left. So, you know, I'm always skeptical of the moves this organization makes and has made in recent years. This is another one that, to me, reeks, something's not right here. And I got off

that interview and I get a call from Bruce Gilbert, who was the CEO of the station. He's now the CEO of Westward One. Bruce was one of the true and few radio executives that we any of us had a chance to work for who was really, really good and a great guy. And he just called me and he said, what did you just say on ESPN? And I said, about McNabb? And he said, yeah, I just got a call from the big guy. And I said, well, I just said, why would Andy Reid trade Donovan McNabb to a division rival if McNabb had a bunch left? I questioned the deal. I was not, you know, and I said I didn't, I certainly didn't personally attack anybody.

I just said, you know, and I told him what I said. And he said, I got to get a copy of it. And then, you know, I appreciate it the whole thing. I'll tell you what, that night I was actually concerned. The only time ever that I was in big trouble. And then he called me back, like, late that night. And he goes, sorry to make you sweat it out or whatever. Not a big deal.

I took care of it. But they just weren't happy. They are so excited and so joyous about this deal. They think they, you know, just got, you know, Donovan McNabb, and it should be a massive celebration opportunity and that you were sort of a killjoy. You ruined it. And I said, well, it's how I feel. By the way, who turned out to be right?

Where were we on Deshawn Watson? You wanted to talk about Washington and Deshawn Watson. Yeah, I would be super aggressive. I would be super aggressive. And this is what I put out on Twitter today. This is to me the kind of package you'd have to consider giving up. three first round picks, one second round pick, and Duran Payne. I didn't put Chase Young in there because I knew that people would go ballistic.

But Cooley, I would make Chase Young a part of a package, not with three first rounders and a second rounder. I would make Chase Young a part of a package for Deshawn Watson if that's what it took. Because of what we just said, they would have won 10 games this year without Chase Young. You and I both agree on that. With the quarterback, I think we can agree on that. Yeah, no, with an elite quarterback. And the second part of it is, I want to go the next decade knowing every September that my team really looks like a playoff team and maybe a lot more than just a playoff team. That's what I want.

And you don't get that with just great defense and a quarterback that's average or less than average. They just don't have the capital. I know, but would you be aggressive? Would you go for it? I can't. Yeah, but my little pot that I have sitting in front of me isn't the same as some of these other pots. I know, but if I can go all in, but it's going to be easily matched. Well, you can always exceed anybody. You can put an escalator clause in there. You can make the offer and say, we'll go up to this.

There's a boatload of things that you can do, Kev. I just, I just don't think that you can get it done with what some of the other teams. teams can offer them. What are you going to throw in Heineke? No. I mean, who knows? Maybe you don't have to throw in a player. Maybe it's three firsts and three seconds and three thirds or something.

I don't know. It might be three. You're going to trade three first, three seconds and three. I mean, Cooley, you could use all of those picks and never get the quarterback right. You've got a chance to get the quarterback. I'm exaggerating on the three, three and three. All right. I'm not in on the three and three.

I don't know what it'll take. It's going to take an historic package all time to get them. If you believe those of you that are listening out there that you would rather go down that path of trying to draft your franchise quarterback, I would love that path to be the path that my team goes down if I knew for sure they could draft the franchise quarterback. But the problem is the odds are stacked against it. Even those with the highest-level picks miss on this position.

position. This is a one out of four deal on average. We can go back on the list of all the quarterbacks taken in the first round over the years. I've done that several times. It is, it is at best, at best, one hit out of four. And it doesn't matter if you're drafting first or you're drafting 17th. Here it is. Let's go through this. In 2010, okay? In 2000, we'll start in 2009 because it was Stafford Sanchez, Freeman. All right? So one out of three there. In 2010, Bradford, Tebow, O for two, in terms of elite franchise quarterbacks.

In 2011, Newton, Locker, Gabbard, Ponder. One out of four there. In 2012, Luck, Griffin, Tannehill, Weeden in the first round, one out of four there. in terms of elite franchise quarterbacks. I know Tanna Hill is playing some decent ball now. 2013, E.J. Manuel. 2014, Blake Borders, J. Mansell, Teddy Bridgewater. I mean, three strikes.

Bridgewater's not a franchise quarterback. 2015, Winston Marriota, one, two. And as far as that goes, probably not. 2016, Gough, Wence, Paxton Lynch. Oh, no, Hakenberg wasn't a first run. He was early in the second round. 2017, Tribisky, Mahomes, Watson. There's your year. There's your year where you actually hit on more than you missed on. 2018, Mayfield, Darnold, Alan Rosen, Jackson.

Not a bad hit rate, but in terms of true elite, the only one you know of, really is Jackson and Allen. Jackson was an MVP. You got to put him into that category. 19, Murray Jones, Haskins. We already know that one of them, his career is basically hanging by a thread two years after he was picked. So you can say I want to draft my guy, and I would love that to be the case. I would love it because it's cheap and you don't have to give up all this other stuff. I get it. But the chances of you hitting on that are slim. That's why there are 25 teams that don't have one, and only six or seven that do. So I would give up a boatload, a shitload to get Deshawn Watson. I wouldn't

give up anywhere near as much to get Stafford, but we've already had the Stafford conversation. I would give up definitely a first for Stafford. I give up a first in a third, a first and a second. But Watson is the home run. You're getting a guy that for the next decade is going to put you into the playoff mix almost every year. And maybe one out of every three years, if you stay healthy and you've got a good group around him and you're well-coached, you're going to compete for the Super Bowl. I mean, you're also getting a guy that's going to do the other thing the owner wants you to do, sell tickets. Damn right. I couldn't give a shit about that. Winning will sell tickets. I know, but you're getting... He'll be in love with this. There's no doubt. He would be in love with this.

I mean, Dwayne, who? If Martin and Marty and Ron pulled this off and you didn't have to give up Chase Young, I mean, literally, he wouldn't even remember what Dwayne's last name was. He'd be so excited. No, you're absolutely right about it. I just, I don't. If you were the GM, I would be saying you got to do whatever you got to do to get him. And it still may not work, but you got to give it your best shot. You got to give it your best shot. I think they, and if they don't, then, you know, and if they give it their best shot with Stafford,

and it doesn't happen on either one of them, which I think those are the odds, that it won't happen on one of them. I would certainly be interested in what they think about Darnold. And if it's not him, and then you think about the draft. And if not, okay, we're going with Taylor and Kyle Allen. Let's see what happens. You know, let's get another receiver in here. Let's get a middle linebacker. And we'll take the big swing at the quarterback. If we don't have that quarterback, we'll take the big swing next year or the year after. But understand this, people. If you don't have that position taken care of. You might be able to go seven and nine and win a bad division, or you might be able to go nine and seven and win a better division, or you might even go one year

11 and five and win a good division and win a playoff game or two, but you're not going to be a sustained winner. Denver hasn't been with great defensive teams. We can go down the list. You've got to have the quarterback to have a 10-year run. You know, to be Seattle, to be Green Bay, to be what Kansas City's on the verge of being, maybe what Buffalo's on the verge of being. What Indy was. What Indy was, what New England was. You got to have that guy.

And if you have that guy, you are a player. You are, yep, Washington's the favorite once again to win the NFC East. You know, if they stay healthy, man. I mean, with Watson, damn right they could win it all this year. We haven't had anybody talk about the team that way. even with the great defensive talent that they have,

you know, and the promise of what young in pain and sweat can be together, you know, if you add a linebacker and, you know, and you're not, you're going to be talked about as a potential division contender and a bad division. But you're not going to be viewed as a Super Bowl contender unless you have the quarterback. No one ever is. When's the last time a team was favored to,

win the Super Bowl without an elite quarterback. I don't know if I can tell you that. The Rams off of losing the Super Bowl with Goff, maybe. That said, Goff was on the verge of what people thought to be an elite quarterback. Yeah, I mean, to me, like, go. So what Goff did in that year, they went to the Super Bowl, he had a couple games that year where he was down. But ultimately, you looked at Goff and you thought, student is going to end up being pretty good with Sean McVeigh.

And, you know, he really is going to be pretty good with Sean McFay. He had a great year. He hit a great year that year. And still, what happened? Still, they needed basically a non-call, one of the worst non-calls in NFL playoff history to win the championship game in New Orleans. And then New England beat him 13 to 3 in the Super Bowl. You know?

So. You know the funny, I was reading some stuff about Goff. And let Sneed was. No. Okay. No. What I thought was interesting because they're not committed. The Rams right now have been honest about being in a quarterback competition at this point,

but not necessarily committed to Goff. And Les Sneed said something of, yeah, we can do, you can do anything with the cap. because the Rams have no cap room. But even at that, their GM's saying, we can figure out the cap thing, no big deal. That's wild to me. You know it's wild to me to think about how many teams should be aggressive in going after Deshawn Watson.

Well, the Texans said more than half the league is called. Well, the Lions said more than a third of the league is called. Now, that benefits them to say that. But, like, you know, I was thinking about Watson. What about teams in our division? Why wouldn't the Cowboys are the Giants? I mean, the Cowboys have a really good option in Dak Prescott, and they will likely resign Prescott if they can.

And they don't have enough draft capital either. But if you were the Giants, like, you're going to tell me that you would pass on being aggressive going after Deshawn Watson because you're so confident about Daniel Jones. Well, you have Daniel Jones in trade. You include him in the trade. Right. I mean, you know, the Saints, I mean, they have a real difficult cap situation,

and they don't have the draft capital. You know, the Saints, the Panthers, I mean, shit, the Panthers should be at the top of the list. At the very top. 49ers should be near the top of the list. No question. So you know what? They're going to have a lot of NFC options too, no doubt. No, there's, I mean, there's no question. Dallas would be one that I think should be very interested. If they can't get a deal done with Dak Prescott, if you can't get a deal done with that

Prescott, that's the end of the world. That's a disaster. He's beloved there, except if you could sign or trade for Deshaun Watson. No, okay. We're fine here. By the way, if they do re-sign Dak Prescott, and just for the moment, let's assume that they will. I've already said this a few times, but it's sort of an emphasis on it in light of the Watson, my Watson thoughts. Washington's not going to be favored to win the division if Kyle Allen and or Taylor Heineke are the starting quarterbacks. No. Okay, it could be a co-favorant with Dallas, but more likely than not, Dallas will be the favorite to win the division next year,

if Dak Prescott comes back. You know, I know everybody's convinced that they have like, like were the 85 bears defensively. But even if that's the case, there's no Jim McMahon or Walter Payton on offense. And it's not the case, by the way, that they're the 85 bears. They could be a really good defense next year. And they could be an even better defense the year after.

The bears were a better defense in 1984 than Washington was last year. The bears were a better defense this year than Washington was this year. The Bears had an outstanding defense. I know, but if you're going to say 85 bears, you got to remember how good the bears were in 84. They were phenomenal defensively. They made it to the NFC Championship game in 84. Okay. I wanted to tell you real quickly about MyBooky.

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bet, but I can't imagine that Kansas City on the first play hands the ball off to Edwards O'Lear. I don't know, maybe they'll hand the ball off to Four and out on the first play, but it wouldn't surprise me if Brady and or Mahomes takes a shot on the first down, first play of the Super Bowl. If you go to my bookie, there are so many prop bets out there. You know, you've got all the typical Super Bowl stuff, coin toss, you know, what the team will do that wins the coin toss, defer, take the ball. But there's so much more. Right now, the odds on a safety in the game, plus 700 on yes. Will there be a successful two-point conversion? Plus 275, yes, minus 450, no.

You got odds on the team that will score last in the game. The chiefs are minus 125, the Buccaneers are minus 115. Will a team score three times unanswered? Any kind of scores could be three field goals, could be two field goals and a safety. Will either teams score three unanswered times? Believe it or not, Yes is the favorite at minus 220. I think that's pretty amazing that they expect a team to have three consecutive scores without an answer in this game where there's a three-point spread.

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Sadiq Charles didn't play much. Antonio Gandy Golden didn't. Ishmael Hudson, but Cameron Curl was a big part of that. But it ranked fifth overall with Young Gibson and Cameron Curl. You know, when you get three players that contributed as much as they did and you've got the defensive rookie of the year, that's a pretty good draft. Pretty good draft. A good job by old Kyle Smith.

Kyle Smith did a hell of a job with that class. Oh, I know what I wanted to ask you. I think there's a chance that landing Collins isn't on the team next year. Why do I say that? Number one, Cameron Curl emerged as a player that they really, really like and proved he could really do it. That's number one. Number two is he plays the exact same position as Landing Collins.

And number three is, while you wouldn't get a significant savings, it would be a near wash at this point to cut Landon Collins or to try to trade Landing Collins. You can trade Landon Collins. What would you get for Landon Collins coming off in Achilles? Second? Really? Maybe.

Shoot, Kevin. Why wouldn't you get a second? Well, because he was. I'll tell you why. Top four safeties in the league when they paid him. A lot. No, he wasn't considered that. He was paid like that, but he wasn't ranked that high.

Don't you remember that top 100 list that, you know, the players vote on that NFL.com and the NFL network do every year? The year they signed him to the six-year, $84 million deal, I think it was, whatever it was. I remember saying... Damn, it gets. I remember saying, first of all, you said that's a lot of money for safety. I said the same thing, but you like the player, I like the player. I think that's our positions at the time, right? Does yours need to be corrected?

I thought it was way too much money. Right. But you like the player. But you like the player? Yeah. I did think Landon Collins was a good player. You actually said, I remember one of the things is you said, he is not just an in-the-box safety.

I did say that. But I also said before he was here, he is not a playmaking safety either. And if you're going to pay that much money, you need to get a playmaker at that position. The bottom line is he wasn't even included on the list. There was like six safeties that were on that top 100 list that year, and he wasn't one of them. So he was paid like he was the best safety in the game, but he didn't come with that reputation.

And let's face it, the Giants just let him go. And he was a second round draft choice to begin with. I don't know. I think a second seems like it would be, I mean, I would love a second for landing. Collins and I think I would do the deal. I'd throw Landon Collins into the deal for Deshawn Watson. Maybe they want Landing Collins. So maybe it's not a second because I wouldn't even hesitate at a second.

You wouldn't hesitate what, moving? If I was Washington. Exactly. So I think it's less than a second. So maybe it's a third. Yeah. I think you're getting a third. Would you move on from him?

I'm looking at the contract right now. His cap hit overall in 2021 is 16-9. The dead cap number is. 18-8. Now, there's a roster bonus, so you'd have to take that. I think basically it would be like you'd lose, it basically cost you about $3 million to move on from him before 2021. The opportunity really to move on from him is before the 2022 season, a much better chance, because your dead cap number is down to $9.6, and his base salary is $11.5. So you're going to save money just off of that.

But I, am I off base? I'm getting something for him. Am I off base to think that they might try to move Landon Collins? Well, do you remember the day we did the podcasted halfway through the season? And I said, I think they need to trade Landon Collins. You did say that. And you said, you're going to make news today, just so you know that I get this scared feeling like, oh, I don't really want to make news.

You did, though. I remember that got blown up pretty big. Chris Cooley thinks Landon Collins that Washington should trade Landon Collins. I actually forgot that you said that. I apologize, but you did, and you made some news. So coming off this injury, knowing now that Cameron Curles, pretty good. Would you trade him? Yeah.

I'm not afraid of his injury. If that's what we're worried about here, I'm not afraid that he's not going to get back to normal. Yeah, I think I would. Okay. It was just something I wanted to bring up. Lastly, Mark Brunel got hired as a coach in Detroit. He was added, Brunel is going to be the quarterback's coach for Dan Campbell. Is Brunel going to be a good coach?

He'll be excellent. Really? Why? Excellent. He knows ball. He knows the game. He knows the position. He relates well to players.

He has a ton of enthusiasm. He'll do really well with the coach. coaching staff, top to bottom, he'll be a great coach. This is his first coaching job. In college or in the NFL, he was a head coach in Florida for his son's football team for a while. High school? He's been a high school head coach for a while, yeah. Okay, I didn't know that.

Does he have a connection to Campbell? Obviously. What is it? I don't know. Okay. He was in Tampa with him, right? Or in New Orleans with him. Oh, okay.

How long was Brunel in New Orleans? It says it right here. You're right. In 2009, Brunel played for the Saints during Dan Campbell's final year in the NFL. Oh, was Campbell's final year in the NFL with the Saints? I don't know. It doesn't say that. I just saw that, and I was just curious as to, you know,

because I know how much you like him. I was just curious as to what kind of coach he would become. I think he'll be an outstanding coach. I think that's a good hire for them. All right. What else? Anything else? I got nothing else on this Friday.

Going fishing today. It's 50 degrees here in Wyoming. We're getting a big snowstorm Sunday and Monday. Huge. It has been so warm here. I had camera on the radio show. Go listen to Doug and you can hear his predictions and how it's going to all come about. but this is going to be the biggest snowstorm we've had here in two years.

How much going to get? Probably no less than six and maybe as much as 10 to 12 over a two to two and a half day period. Are you excited about it? I am because we had no snow last year. There was a chance for a big storm in early December this year and we ended up getting like two inches and then a lot of rain and slush. but you know if you had been home during that like in your home in Ashburn or in in Leesburg if you had been at your old house you would have gotten like eight inches out of that then that that was like in mid-December this year we just barely missed sort of the cutoff of a lot of

snow versus the mix this one camera was telling me was going to be all snow so yeah i am um you know i love these storms i love following them and getting into it and more than anyone I know in the world. Well, you know Scott Van Pelt, he's as much into this. You know what Camer told me? Camera said, what is wrong with the two of you? And because now that Scott's moved back, Scott needs a local weather guy, and he's picked Doug to be his local weather guy that he texts for, you know,

interpretations of the models and the whole thing. And Doug, in a very funny way, was just saying, what is wrong with you guys? Like, you guys are the opposite. You're sports guys that love weather. I'm a weather guy, and he goes, I just love sports. So when I had him on the show today, I asked him if he would trade three firsts, a second, and Duran Payne for Deshaun Watson. And he kind of said no.

He doesn't want to give up that much. So there you go. All right. You enjoy the nice weather in Wyoming, and I'll enjoy the snowstorm on Sunday. And we will convene together next week for a couple of dates, certainly for. Friday leading into the Super Bowl, if not Monday as well. Thanks. See you. All right, that's it. Enjoy the weekend. Back on Monday.