The Kevin Sheehan Show - Cooley Part 2 + Penalty Problems

Episode Date: October 6, 2026

Kevin opened with Bijan Robinson's performance last night for the Falcons before responding to an email about all of the former Washington players contributing around the league. Warren Sharp/Sharp Football Analysis joined Kevin to describe the major increase in NFL penalties through the first four weeks of the season. Chris Cooley/part 2 followed. Cooley talked about the NFL job he'd love to have and weighed in on Austin Ekeler, Terry McLaurin, and Antonio Williams among others. Exclusive High Roller bonus designed for bettors who want more firepower for this season. Double your money all the way up to $5000. Minimum deposit $1500. Use my promo code “DCVIP” at https://www.mybookie.ag/signup/?affid=3910. Join the millions who are already banking fee free with America’s #1 Choice for Banking. Head to chime.com/sheehan. Download the app today and use code SHEEHAN to get $150 instantly in Lineups if you win your first $5 Lineup! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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The second part of my conversation with Cooley today on the show, he was on with me yesterday, and it just got too long to include on one show, so you'll hear the rest of it today, where he has actually come up with a job in the NFL that he desperately wants. You'll hear him talk about that. Before Cooley, Warren Sharp from Sharp Football Analysis will be my guest. Warren's been on the show many times in the past. I asked him to come on today to tell us about what he's learned about the penalty problem early in the season. Yes, it's not our imaginations.

Warren did the research. There are way more penalties through four weeks of the season than any first four weeks of a season in a long time. Warren Sharp, next segment. I really do think that Bejohn Robinson is the best. player in the NFL. 19 for 145 yards last night. Two rushing touchdowns as well in the Falcons 45 to 24 win over the Saints on Monday night football. That backed up the 29 for 194 at Lambo a week ago Thursday. He's must watch too. It's not just that he might break a big one on any given carry like he did on the third play from scrimmage last.

night. It's that every single run, three-yard runs, five-yard runs, nine-yard runs, 10-yard runs. They are so much fun to watch. I know that there are a lot of good running backs in the NFL right now. I personally don't think any of them are at his level. McCaffrey, maybe, as an all-around back, I think personally, Bejohn is a cut above Jamir Gibbs. I like Gibbs a lot. I don't think he's Bijan. I don't think Seekwan is near Bejan. Jonathan Taylor is not near Bejan. Derek Henry, different kind of a back, obviously, but not in the Beijon category. He has all-time great vision and cutback ability and make you miss stuff. Like his deadleg, his hesitation, his patience and his make players miss him, you know, ability.

It's there with Barry Sanders. I mean, that is about as high praise as you can get when it comes to making defenders miss, kind of Gail Sayers, Barry Sanders. He's in that class. Actually, last night, I think Aikman put him in that class. Compared him to Barry Sanders. He never takes a direct shot. which is exactly Emmett Smith.

Emmett Smith, one of his greatest features as a running back, is he never got hit square. He was always able to contort and make sure that he never took a square shot. When Bejohn's in the clear, he's got not the upright style, but he's got that stride that is Eric Dickerson-esque. He can catch it and move in space like Marshall Falk or L.D. T. Fourth year in the league,

and already you can see we are watching a developing all-time great career, you know, assuming health. And his team is good. I mentioned that after the Packers game.

Completely different team with Michael Pennix Jr. He looks really good. Stafansky's a really good coach. He really has been throughout, you know, two-time head coach. coach of the year in Cleveland, of all places. He can coach. Everybody in the league knows it, which is why he got a job immediately

when one opened up in Atlanta. He's good with quarterbacks and Pennix looks the part. I've loved Penix. He was my number three after Jaden and Caleb. It's injuries with him. He's just got to stay healthy. Man, it seems like it's injuries with everybody in this league. But the Falcons are very, very good on defense, and that's without a couple of key players. They'll get James Pierce back from his suspension after the midway point of the season. He was a dominating pass rusher as a rookie. Jalen Walker actually had an ACL in camp, but they are good and well coached defensively. Jeff Ulbrick coaches them defensively.

He was on Rahim's staff in Atlanta. And remember, Ulbrick was one of the possibilities we thought for Quinn. because he coached for Quinn when Quinn was in Atlanta. But man, the Falcons are legit. I mean, they are explosive. They play Baltimore Sunday night. No Lamar more likely than not. Lamar's sprained ankle may have him out of what now looks like a really intriguing matchup.

Tyler Huntley would be the quarterback. Here's the thing the Falcons are missing. They have the best back in the league, maybe the best player in the league. I think so, other than non-quarterbacks. Four non-quarterbacks. They also have a true number one high-level borderline elite receiver in Drake London. They've got Kyle Pitts, who is very much kind of a mystery. You know, one game he looks dominant.

The next game, it looks like he's not interested. They're missing a number two wide receiver. Sound familiar? Their number two wide receiver is Jahan Dotson. He caught a touchdown, last night. Yes, that Jehan Dodson. That's a perfect segue into this from Jim in Chevy Chase, D.C. Jim writes,

you see all of our former players tearing up the league, Dotson, B. Rob, Rodriguez, Chase, Allen, sweat, curl. Did Rivera actually draft better than we thought? You know, Jim, it's funny. think every year, I bet every team's fan base does this. It's like you're watching other games and it's like, oh, he plays for them. Oh, and he's playing well. Who knew? For those not paying attention, all of the players that Jim just mentioned are contributing around the league. John Dotson, number two receiver in Atlanta. I think they need a better number two. Brian Robinson

Jr. is the backup to Bejohn. He had 62 yards last. night and three rushing touchdowns. The Falcons had five total. Chase Young is doing a really good job in New Orleans. Actually, deflected a pass. It would have been a touchdown last night in the game. Chris Rodriguez had a touchdown for Jacksonville. He's a good, solid, alternative, you know, lead back. Tuton from Virginia Tech is their number one, but Rodriguez looks good. I liked Rodriguez when he was here. I wouldn't mind having Rodriguez on this team. The Allen he was referring to is John Allen. John Allen's in Cincinnati playing next to Dexter Lawrence.

Sweat is Montez Sweat. He is still a good player. He's been a good player in Chicago since the trade. Cameron Curle still in L.A. with the Rams as a starter. Yeah. I mean, remember, they traded Allen, right? Yes. They traded Sweat.

Did they get something back for Allen? I'm forgetting. They traded Dotson for a third. They traded B. Rob for a day three pick. So they did get some compensation back for some of these players. But yeah. And also did you see that KJ Henry, the running back from UTSA, I actually really thought

he impressed as a runner in preseason. He was on the practice squad. He got plucked off the practice squad by Seattle. It does make me wonder why he was on our practice squad. And on Sunday against the Colts, they had Bill Krosky Merritt, they had Austin Echler, they had Ketron Allen, and they had Craig Reynolds, four running backs active, all four of which got carries. And KJ. Henry was on their practice squad. He's a younger player, not younger than Ketron Allen, and only a year younger. I mean, in terms of experience than Bill Krosky Merritt.

But, you know, look, players get plucked off practice squads all the time. We pluck players off practice squads. It's you can't protect them when they're there. So they knew there was a chance they could lose them. And they thought it made more sense to bring up Craig Reynolds. And then have Craig Reynolds in on the fourth and one. I saw somebody tweet this out. Hold on.

Let me pull it up. It's Shane Steichen's post-game interview after the game when he was asked about the fourth and one. stop. He said, quote, that's a sudden change situation, midfield, fourth, and one. I mean, all the teams around in the league are going to go for it there. To bow up and get a stop was big for us. That was a big momentum swing there as well. I thought our defense played really well, closed quote. Yeah, well, Shane, you know, if your defense hadn't played well against the third string quarterback on probably a limited scale-down version of the playbook, you would have had trouble. But no, a lot of coaches in that situation on fourth and one up six nothing in a game in which

the third string quarterback has had to come into the game without their number one wide receiver, without their number one right guard, without their number one left tackle. I know the left tackle's been an all-season thing and it will be. Pun it. That's a punt. I don't care what. my analytics person says in my ear. Context matters. I'll handle the context. You give me the data.

You give me the mathematical data on what we should do here. But that's just one piece of information that I'm going to use to make the decision. It has to be. And the idea of being aggressive for the sake of being aggressive is stupid. Okay. That situation called for the opposite. opposite. Again, for those of you tuning in for the first time, the fourth and one go for it with 830 to go in the second quarter up six to nothing from their own 46-yard line

was my biggest negative of the day. I have not been that critical of an in-game coaching decision by Dan Quinn. I don't think at any time during his tenure. I've picked, you know, I've nitpicked some things for sure. This one was. was, to me, the risk so far outweighs the reward that it has to be easy to send Tressway out there. And the risk was you're giving the Colts a chance to score points when they've been 0 for 5 on five drives with three punts and two turnovers and 39 total yards. And the quarterback is shaky, majorly shaky.

And you've got a third string quarterback in there. game. So he's not a run threat on this play. So your playbook's probably somewhat limited. No, that is a punt situation. The reward was first and 10 at the 47 with a third string quarterback. What were you going to do? Were you going to march it down the field with him and score? You had to think in that moment, maybe not. So the reward wasn't great other than to burn another 120 seconds of clock if you had three clock running plays. pun it, pin him deep, send the shaky quarterback back out there and put the best unit for that day that you had back on the field,

which was your defense. Yeah, I was a bit miffed about that situation. I don't even know how we got into that conversation. As far as KJ. Henry goes, I mean, you know, who the hell knows? I will say this about the running back situation. I am 100% convinced and I watched the offense all 22. We'll talk to Steve Souter tomorrow. I know that game situation down and distance sometimes matters to yards gained by a running back.

But I don't like Kroski Merritt's vision and lack of patience right now as a runner. I'm not suggesting that there's a lot there, but there was enough there. and there's definitely enough there where a guy like Austin Echler showed you there was enough there. And maybe some of that was about down and distance and context of down and distance and, you know, the kind of defense that was on the field in that moment. But Austin Echler is their best back. Bill Kroski merits just a guy. Okay. It's why he went in the seventh round of the NFL draft.

he is capable of being a back in this league because we've seen him have some very good games and I bet you we see another really good game or two but in terms of a number one lead back it's got to be somebody else other than Bill Kroski-merit this year and moving forward. Has to be. Rashad White expected back this week,

I'd like to see a lot of Echler. I hope that whatever snap count he may have been on in the opener he's off it for the giant game. Because as I said yesterday, the giant game is code red. Warren Sharp next after these words from a few of our sponsors. Hey guys, I love the concept of Chime. It is something my younger self would have absolutely taken advantage of and benefited from. Chime is changing the way people banked.

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Go to mybooky.orgie.org.com. All right, joining me right now is Warren Sharp from Sharp Football Analysis. You can follow Warren on X at Sharp Football. I always enjoy having Warren on. We always have him on after his net rest study after the schedule comes out. But Warren tweeted something out last night that caught my attention, and I haven't talked to him in a while. So I reached out and said,

well, you come on and talk about penalties? because Sunday morning watching our team play the Colts in London, there were a lot of them. It was a major disparity, a 10 to 1 major disparity, 10 penalties on Washington, one on the Colts, and some of them seemed absurd. I want to start with just having you talk about what you, you know, researched and found about the first four weeks of this season,

the number of penalties that have been called and how it compares to the past. Yeah, Kevin, it's pretty troubling. And I'm not really sure the reason why the underlying cause I always like to have kind of do my research, come up with information, then be able to figure out why this is happening. The why is still murky. But what the research is showing, and I saw this watching the commander's game, obviously that was the only game that was on. I saw this watching the Cincinnati Bengals versus the Jacksonville Jaguars game

with multiple touchdowns pulled off the board, was that it felt different watching these games. It felt like the rest were playing a larger role in these games. It felt like every time that there was a big play, I'd pause my celebration or excitement, no matter what team I'm rooting for, because I wasn't sure if there was going to be a little yellow, graphic popping up on the screen and a flag to pull it back.

17 touchdowns have been nullified so far this season. We have seen the number one most penalties against offenses on a per SNAP basis in recorded history since at least 2000. We have seen the most overall penalties through the first four weeks of the season since recorded history. I have dated it goes through 2000, apparently through at least 1978, this is also a fact. Now, granted, there are more games that are being played now than there were at that point in time. But on a per SNAP basis, it's the most that I have seen that I can

track since 2000, as far back as my data goes. Number one, most penalty, and the concerning factor here is the potential ability for these penalties to be of high leverage nature to impact outcomes of games. And I'm not saying that anything suspicious or nefarious is a hundred percent happening. But we are seeing the most penalties on third and fourth downs in the second half of games since at least 2000 and the most penalties in the red zone against offenses since at least 2000. And what are the most high leverage points in game? It's on third or fourth downs in the second half, or it's in the red zone when touchdowns or point in general can be gained or removed via penalty.

And it's just a concerning development that we're seeing. It's making the games less enjoyable, but beyond that, it's also sort of a red flag as to why are so many penalties happening? And I could tell you this, I was not aware of any sort of NFL edict or mandate or or something that they were supposed to look closer for, right? We've seen that at time in different, where there's a new rule. Okay, lowering the helmet, that's going to cause a lot of penalties in week one or week two. We aren't seeing any of that this year.

There's no sort of new rule change that was going to be more difficult for defenses or offenses to adjust to, and that could be caused for the increase in penalties. We're just seeing way more ref involvement in these games at the most high level. leverage moment. No doubt that if you watch a lot of NFL football, not just your own team's games, but you watch a lot of the other games that are on the rest of the league, there has been a feeling through this first month that there are a lot of flags flying. And it's because, obviously, it's true, as you've researched and described very well. You know, something you said and something you wrote, is the thought that I had in seeing all of these penalties.

And the thought was, you know, this happens in the beginning of seasons because referees want to set the tone on, you know, certain types of calls or certain new rules. And then they lessen those calls as the season goes on. But to your point, right, there aren't any new rules that they're. would be emphasizing? It's 100% not the case. There was no new rule change that came out that would cause there to be more penalties. And in fact, I actually went back and looked and I said in the article that I published

up on the website, as well as some of the analysis that I did, I went back and I looked at getting rid of the first month, like getting rid of the September dates and saying exactly what we're thinking, we're both thinking. Hey, maybe there's some sort of a rule change. Maybe there's something that's going on here in the first couple of weeks. And so it's going to be more difficult for these players to make adjustments, that sort of thing. And I found that from October onward. This is the most penalties last week, last week this past week, week four, the most penalties in a week in NFL history that as far back as I can check. So it's not, like, hey, it's just the first couple of weeks thing here. This is something that continues to

linger on and only seems to be getting worse based on my eyes. Like, I tweeted out something that went viral during the game, like during the 1 p.m. game of my frustration, which is how things felt. Like, I was watching the game, and for whatever reason, it felt different. It felt less enjoyable. It felt like there was the rest looming over these games. And, then I'm fortunate to be able to have access to all the data. So then Sunday night into Monday morning, I spent like three hours. This was, this turned into a project for you. I can imagine how you got after it after feeling the way you felt, which I kind of feel like there are moments in, you know, in recent years where we've said, you know what, if I see another DB get flagged for what

looked like a good hit and certainly a good hit from years ago, I'm going to stop watching. Or if the flags keep flying, I mean, they're going to lose audience. It's at that moment where I actually don't believe that the frustration that you had, the frustration that I had in a game, by the way, where my team was at a 10 to 1 disparity. I don't think I've ever seen that before. Have you? No, well, there was a game earlier this year. I distinctly remember tweeting out a picture about it, but I forget the game.

It was probably week one or two, where one of the teams was just at a ridiculous disparity as well. And so that's the one thing that I haven't done, Kevin, that maybe I'll go back and do. Because I can parse all of this stuff on like a quarter by quarter basis, the rest can try to potentially cover their tracks, so to speak, in the fourth quarter of games by like trying to balance it out a little. little bit when kind of the game is in hand. I'm going to go back and look at maybe like the first three quarters of games and look this year and see the most like imbalanced penalty disparity within a particular game and see how that potentially compares to the first four weeks last year. Like have we ever seen a team plus six in penalties like in the first six weeks of the season during the first three quarter, sorry, first four weeks of the season during the first three

quarters of a game, how often has that happened? And then compare that to historical data. I'm not sure. Like, I have no idea, but it definitely, like, the commander's game was an example. And there was one other game I just can't remember now that I recall seeing earlier this year where it's just like makes no sense that here's the frustration to me. This is the other part of this that like really boils my blood is that, A, you could call penalties on every play if you really wanted to. You could You could definitely do that. If you really wanted to, you could be nitpicking and find something out. They go back and they replay all of these things, though.

They show the replay on TV. And I don't know about you. You are probably one of the people that I would talk to the most about this, who's in the similar boat to me, who watches a ton of football. I don't know if I remember seeing all these different color commentators and play-by-play commentators on the sets this week. A lot of these guys seemed new or I hadn't heard of before. And I just was not seeing the critical observations about some of these penalties.

Like there would be a clear play where there was a holding that was called back. The player is massively complaining. The coach is massively complaining. They show a replay. It's clearly not an actual hold. And the commentators just don't really say much about it and just keep going on. And I used to see the commentators be a lot more, I don't see anything here, Chris. I don't know what's going on here either, Al.

Like, these guys would use to say something about this. And I'm not really hearing that nearly as much so far this. I do watch a lot of football, but I have not observed that necessarily. I will say this. There was a play in week two in our game against Dallas in which Diami Brown caught a ball in the end zone. It was ruled incomplete. Washington challenged the call. Brady and Burkhart were on the call.

Dean Blandino came in and they all said this is obviously going to be overturned. This was a touchdown. One knee equals two feet. He's got possession. He survived the ground. When we come back from commercial, Washington's going to be lining up for an extra point.

And the call was upheld. And they were on the call, stunned that it was upheld. They could not figure out how replay had messed that up. And by the way, that would have tied the score at 17 in the third quarter. Washington ended up kicking a field goal, and it was 17 to 13. So I started to say that I personally don't think that ultimately all of this frustration, because we've gone through it before, I think for me,

the most frustrated I've ever been was when they first started to over-legislate big hits, and it was like you were making the safety's job nearly, impossible to play. It's like you almost had to let the receiver catch the ball and then tackle him. You couldn't hit him. And you know what? I haven't watched any less football because the big hits have been legislated out of the game. And I don't think all these flags are going to make me watch any less football. What do you think? No, I mean, this is my job. I'm, I know, but for the average. So I am definitely not going to watch any less football. But here's the thing. Fortunately, I am speaking for hundreds, apparently, according to Twitter, people liking and engaging

with the tweet, people watching my podcast and talking about the stuff that I've covered there. I am speaking for hundreds and thousands of people out there who are feeling similarly about this. And unlike the vast majority of them, I actually have a large microphone. The stuff that I am writing or tweeting, my articles, my podcast, like people within the league office 100% see this information. And so, you know, the one of the two things that Roger Goodell cares the most about, in my opinion, aside from just like pure cash, these two things flow into it. Number one, protecting the shield from impropriety, like making things look like they're fully buttoned up and like there's nothing going on.

Right. That's number one, the appearance of this league being not shady. And number two. upholding the integrity of the competition is paramount. The integrity of the game. The integrity of the game, that's the word I was looking for. And number two, it's viewers. It's the public watching it.

Like, they want all the viewers. That's why they're doing all these. They're trying to bring in numbers for these games. That's why they put Travis Kelsey's team on Christmas Eve or Christmas night so that all the people will buy Netflix and we're going to set record rating so they they could sell more TV contracts. If people stop watching where the integrity of the game is questioned, that's going to be a big problem. So by me going out there and sharing true data about these penalties and about

these issues, early on in the season, I am confident that there will be things that get addressed. Will they call these penalties less often? Will they be less tick-y-fact? There are a lot of these like, I don't call them blindside blocks, but something related to that that I kept seeing last week. Yes, a lot of blindside blocks called. It's like they sent out a memo or something. And so, hey, guys, these are some things that are concerning. And so all the players are, like, blocking that way constantly. And then all of a sudden, in one week, maybe they change their tune. And now they're calling all these blindside block.

Maybe they cone that down a little bit next week. Maybe they stop being as nitpicky on the offensive holding. Whatever it is, this is getting raised up to, like, the highest levels within the NFL over the next several days. Like, this discussion is being tweeted in pro football talk. They're talking about it. like my tweets are going massively viral. Every station, you're the first to interview me, but a lot of people on, whether it's talk radio or articles or podcasts,

are going to be talking about this during the course of the week. And I am confident that whether it's week five or beyond that, like things are going to settle down to a degree. Interesting information. Very interesting information for a lot of reasons. if penalties will start to lessen beginning this upcoming weekend. You know, two referees, and I'm sure you saw it,

were suspended by the league. Jeff Seaman was suspended for two games. He was involved in an incident with Trey McBride where cameras caught Seaman telling Trey McBride to F off. And then Adrian, and that was in the Cardinals' Giants game Sunday. And then Adrian Hill, the lead referee in the Minnesota Miami game, on Sunday, got knocked to the ground totally by accident. Eric Wilson actually got pushed into Hill, and he got up ready to fight Eric Wilson.

He was really upset. He got suspended for a game, Seaman for two games. And, you know, I thought it was noteworthy because typically the league once the games begin, publicly, they got the officials' backs. You know, they don't usually do this. and maybe I'm wondering if you think that maybe they're doing it because there has been a lot of fan outcry about a lot of the calls that have been made, the number of calls that have been made, etc. Do you think that these refs got suspended in part because the league wants to send a message to its consumers that, hey, we hear you? It's possible, yeah, definitely possible. I also, by the way,

went back and looked at the other game. I found that one. And it was the Baltimore Ravens against the Tennessee Titans where for the first three quarters, there were 11 penalties against the Ravens and only three against the Titans, which actually resulted in a 99-yard penalty advantage for the Titans.

I looked in your game, you were the second highest yard advantage for one team in the first three quarters. you were down eight penalties to zero in the first three quarters against the Colts, and the Colts were plus 70 penalty yards on you. And in both cases, obviously, the team that had the benefit of all the penalties called on the opponent ended up covering the game, right? The Tennessee Titans don't win the game outright.

The Baltimore Ravens do, but the Tennessee Titans do cover the spread in that one. How absurd is it that the league still doesn't have full-time payrolled officials? I don't understand it with the amount of money they're making just on the TV deals alone that they couldn't afford to do that. Oh, there's no reason. There's not much for them to be doing in the off-season. Well, you know, I saw something that said all of these reps should be checked for mental acuity, eyesight, like physical fitness, the bit like there's so many things that they could be doing. still doing in the off season if they were full-time to just kind of, I'm not saying like get your

eye, keep getting your eyes tested and eat like your carrots for like improve your vision, but like do something in the off season to make sure that you're in the best shape possible for these games and study and ref at other levels and just get more experience. There's definitely things that they could be doing in my opinion to be year-round. So, I mean, I certainly wouldn't argue if they did something along those lines. But the other thing that I saw that was pretty interesting in the comments to some of my posts were maybe they should get the every single touchdown that gets nullified by penalty automatically is reviewed. And that touchdown, that penalty can be reversed. If it takes away a touchdown, that is automatically reviewed just like every single touchdown is automatically reviewed.

That's a step forward in the right direction as well. And I don't know the right answer long term. I don't know why it's happening. I don't know the right answer long term. but I do know that it's a problem, and there are measures that you could try to make it a little bit better for the viewer and more fair for the teams. Because there are coaches coming out talking about this too, Kevin. Like, I haven't seen it for. Did you see the halftime interview with Liam Cohen? I saw the post game, but I also saw the halftime interview where he was walking off the field.

I just read about it in your story. Yeah, the sideline reporter asked him, like, what do you think about, your offense's efficiency in the first half. You guys have the leaderware. He immediately just said, these penalties are ridiculous. We've got to cut down on the penalties. I'm not sure what's going on with the penalties. And then after the game, he was quoted as saying, like,

I have never been part of anything like this in my life. And, you know, the coaches are talking about it. There's anonymous quotes in some other tweets that I have seen from different people posting about it. It's definitely something that when the coaches are getting fired up about it, you know whether I'm writing a story about it or not. Roger Goodell is hearing about it. But now that the public sees data that supports these issues,

I definitely think something is going to get fixed here. I just don't know what it is. Warren Sharp is the guest. And Warren did a great job researching, as he always does. In this case, penalty data to confirm what we've all been thinking that we've been seeing over the first four weeks of the season. and that is a lot more penalties are being called. And you've said that the specific reasons are hard to know for sure.

Do you think the lack of doing anything anymore in the preseason is a part of this? Well, I think that it could in terms of some of the holding. But again, I would think that by October that stuff would be ironed out. And the fact that we can go back historically and see that these things are being a, These weren't a problem, and I understand, like two decades ago, there was, what, like five preseason games or four. You know, now there's, now there's only a few players only play in a couple of them. But last year we didn't see this, the year before we didn't see this, and those rules were still in place. You would think by the time, by this time in the season, it would be ironed out.

So I don't disagree that players are playing less in the preseason than ever before. there's more emphasis being made on those practices with other teams during the week, those competitive practices during the offseason and in training camp, as opposed to the actual games themselves. So maybe that is playing a little bit of a factor here. But it's certainly something that these coaches aren't happy about either. And I know we aren't. And I think it will be fixed.

But that's definitely, that could be part of it. Now, I haven't taken the time because, frankly, I got other things to do to go by and look penalty by penalty, like specific which ones are being called more. I could easily do that. I have the data. I just haven't, you know, desired to get to that level of detail. I just find it interesting that, you know, it's not necessarily an increase or spike in penalties on defenses.

It's not necessarily an increase or spike in penalties, you know, on first down. midfield, it seems to be spiking more on third and fourth downs. It seems to be spiking more in the second half. It seems to be spiking more in the red zone. All these high leverage spots, that's when it's spiking a little bit more. So that would lead me not to believe that it's 100% just because these guys aren't playing in the preseason. It's because there's some other sort of emphasis on these high leverage moments.

And hopefully that gets resolved. I just pulled up that penalty site. It looks like holdings number one, fall starts number two, and then there's a big drop off before you get to delay of game. All right, I know you've got to run. One last one. What else through these first four weeks for you stands out as something that's very interesting and maybe even unexpected?

I knew this going into the season. I kind of, it was a hunch I was talking about it, but really I didn't capitalize it enough on it. enough in the futures market. It's the split between the haves and the have-nots. Like, we are, my guess is we're going to see a lot of teams that are just really, really bad across the board more than we usually see. And right now you look, I mean, the Titans and the Texans are both O and four. You've got the chargers who are O and four. You got the, we knew the dolphins and the jets would probably struggle this year.

We knew that the Arizona Cardinals would probably struggle this year. But the Bucks being O and four, the Saints, there's not a team in the NFC South that has a winning record. So it's like league-wide, there's very little really great football being played on both sides of the ball by a particular team. At any given week, it's like the most elite teams are worse than what we saw heading in, like certainly the Rams. So the most elite teams are worse than what we thought. And some of the teams that are middling, that we thought would be middling at least,

are worse than what we thought as well. So I still, I said this before the season, I think it's going to be one of the most wide open seasons that we've ever seen. There is still the ability for some of these teams to get much better from a standing's perspective than they were expected to and make the postseason this year than we probably were expecting just because there's so much mediocrity around the league. Whether it's injuries or it's coaching with all those new offensive coordinators, some of these situations we thought. thought were going to be vastly improved because they got rid of a bad offense coordinator before. Now they're bringing somebody in new, and they're assumed that that might help them. That's not actually helping them.

These teams still are terrible on offense, and it just makes some of these games have results that are a lot higher variance, and probably by the time the season's over, we're going to see a lot of variance as well with the final standings and the teams that actually make the postseason. Warren, thanks, as always. Really appreciate the time. Thanks, Kevin. Warren Sharp, everybody from Sharp Football Analysis.

Warren's really good at being curious about something related to football, having a hunch or a belief about something, and then doing the research to either confirm what he was thinking or to invalidate or refute what he was thinking. He's just good at that and has really built a nice following and a nice business around that. He's the one again, and I mention it every single time I have them on, but he's the one that sort of went in and did the homework, years of homework, on the schedule and the advantages that you get from more rest versus less rest. All right.

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So this is where we'll pick up here with the other part of my conversation with Chris. What else is on your note pages for the game yesterday? My random thoughts from the game. I have two new jobs I've created for myself that I would be willing to do next year. One, so they show Carly,

Ursa on the field. Charlie Ersee Gordon on the field and he's out there taking notes and involved in whatever she's involved in. They just hire somebody to do it with you in the box. Hire Mike Shanahan or hire me. I'll go sit in some meetings. Make sure I know what's going on with the Colts offense, the Colts defense, and then I'll just go provide her feedback during the game.

you don't need to be down on the field taking notes and wondering what the coaching staff's doing as an owner I don't hate it you're the owner you're going to make whatever choice you make I'm not it wouldn't it wouldn't really bother me as a player on the field senior down there it would as a coach I think it would bother me some of the coach just because it's not normal

and that's a great job Charlie Ursaid Gordon Chris Cooley has offered up, by the way, the compensation will be steep, but he will, you don't have to walk around on the sideline and risk getting hit by a wayward football or a player, you know, being knocked out of bounds. We'll get you a great seat, since you are the owner, you probably can, you know, handle that on your own. And Chris will sit next to you and he'll help you take notes on everything. All right? We got your new job next year. What's next? Yeah, you want to know what protections you're in.

What does she want to know? First of all, what does she want to know? She wants to learn the game, apparently. I hear someone to sit with you. Don't look like, I don't know how you feel about it. And again, like I said, this doesn't necessarily bother me what she's doing down there. Sounds like it's bothering you. No, I think it's kind of cool, but I'm trying to help her do it better.

Yeah, taking notes by her. herself exactly what she writing down. I want to see those notes so bad. I am more interested right now in what is on that notepad than anything else in football. From that game? From any game. What do you think is on it?

I have no idea. Did she charting, like, run to pass plays? Did she have a headset on? Hey, look. Hey, look, guys. just so you guys are clear. We're in a second down in seven to five to seven situation. You've got to know they're playing the past.

We can really run the ball here. Taylor is a good option for us on second five to seven. Come on. Yeah. The run play is called. Why are we in a twin personnel? I mean, Jesus, Christ, everybody knows they're not adjusting to it the way you thought.

Like, what is she writing? I don't know. I mean, what you just said, I don't have any issue with her wanting to understand the game more. And understanding the game more, if she doesn't have any understanding of it, I mean, could be informative when she's making personnel decisions, you know, meaning general manager, front office, head coach. I do wonder if it's a distraction for the coaches to have her. Was she wearing a headset? I think she was, right? Yeah.

Yeah, I don't know, man. It just goes back to, you know, owners own. And if you really want to learn it and you really want to understand it, is there a better environment for you to do that in? I would say yes, where you're not maybe a distraction. Maybe she isn't. Maybe they really like her, you know? And maybe she's a cool, you know, person to hang around and she's not getting in their shit during the game.

And I don't think she is. I mean, her father was certainly an interesting NFL owner. That is for sure. And her grandfather was, you know, he may be the all-time most despised person in the history of the city of Baltimore. But, yeah, you could help her. It's also interesting now that she wants to learn the game. Why weren't you on the field when you were 20 learning the game? Well, she was doing other things.

I have no criticism. It sounds like you do. It sounds like you do. Well, I'm just trying to explain to you I'm not, but I'm very interested. How old is Carly Ursay Gordon? She's 46 years old. She went to Skidmore College. I think that's in Pennsylvania, right?

pretty sure it's in Pennsylvania. No, Skidmore's in Saratoga Springs, New York. Okay, I'm thinking of... I'm thinking of Swarthmore. I believe that's in Pennsylvania. Skidmore is in New York, and she's been involved in a lot of different businesses since graduating. She's well-rounded.

And she's been a part of the cults, too, with her father. Yeah, she's well-rounded. She wants to know the game. I actually, just as a complete aside, but somewhat related, I think Shane Steichen's a good coach. I think he's a good offensive mind. I think he's a good coach. I don't know enough about the front office situation.

I mean, Chris Ballard's been there forever. But, all right. I guess we know how you feel about. Carly Ursay Gordon. And I, somebody like you would be perfect. I think you're projecting this too far. You don't know how I feel. I do know how you feel.

I feel, you're irritated. You're irritated about it. No, I'm not irritated. I think there's a better way to do it. But here's the thing. You're interested in what her notepad says and the note she's keeping. And if you were sitting next to her, she'd look at your notepad. You'd be drawing pictures of some guy sitting in the front row.

And she'd like, look at it and say, what are you doing? And you'd say, I've got everything under control. I know exactly what's going on in the game. Yeah, but you're actually, you're drawing sketches of the guy over there with the hat on. Because that's what you do. You did that during radio shows with me. You were sketching. I know I sketch things when I'm bored.

Yeah. I'm never bored in the middle of a football game. I'm bored with you. Well, you were, you did it when you were calling games with Larry and Sunny. In the breaks. All right. Number two. Yeah.

I'm really considering number two. Okay. I'm not going to do it this year. But the new film breakdown, I think would be really cool and a lot of fun, is to take any of the plays that you find that the commentators are, completely wrong, and then break them down and grade the commentators. Okay. For example, in this particular game, Kurt Warner mentioned zero blitz every single time. There are guys at the line of scrimmage.

Zero blitz is when you're bringing one more than they can block, which leaves you one less to play defense with in the back end. Because they put eight guys at the line of scrimmage doesn't mean that you, that they're in a zero blitz. Right. If you're blocking seven and they bring eight, that's a zero blitz. Like 11 times, I think he did it. They're like, oh, they're in a zero blitz.

They're bringing zero blitz here. They could be in a zero blitz look. Yes. Bring a zero blitz. Of course. But they're not just bringing zero blitz. Also, you mentioned naked boot about five different times. It is not a naked boot when you have someone in the down flat in front of the quarterback to throw the ball to immediately.

Or if you're bringing someone sliding across the formation out in front of the quarterback. A naked boot is when the quarterback has nobody else in front of him to throw the ball to. So he's got to run. Naked. Yes. I mean the term naked. Yes. That is true.

There is no one available for him to throw the ball to. Naked boot is a common play like on a fourth and one. where you send everyone the other way as a distraction. Right. I'm watching football. If you'd watch the Sunday night game, I could do this with Collinsworth

over and over and over and over again. Right. Yes, I'm sure. It was two weeks ago. Hufanga had a pick against the Rams, and he is defining so clearly how they have to be in his own coverage. They're in a man-a-man.

Look, like, come on. What are we doing here? I'm okay. You don't know the coverage. I'm okay if you don't know the blitz. Look, find something else to say, do not guess. So I just think it would be a lot of fun to go through and... Well, you...

The pure misses that the commentators have. As a casual observer of the game, you could come up with fuffs. A half dozen of those every weekend. A hundred percent. But keep in mind, there are about four different looks of every play that they get to see before they talk about them for the second or third time. Right. The play is instantly re-shone to them in different variations in that booth. Now, it might not always be what they're looking for.

They might not be able to see it in which, don't guess. You know, JJ Watt took over for Tony Romo. You know, you followed, did you follow the whole Romo thing? You did, right? I watched the entire Chiefs Raiders game. I did watch the Chiefs Raiders game. That's what you talked about that with you.

But I watched the entire Phil's Obridey test, which was amusing. Well, the final play of the Chiefs Raiders game, I actually kind of like JJ Watt. I like his personality, the whole thing, but he got so many sort of game management things wrong. But he didn't see, and no one told him.

told them. But the very last play of the Chiefs Raiders game with, first of all, a terrible call on Trey Tucker's catch, which hit the ground and should have been called incomplete. But the Raiders spiked the ball with 10 seconds to go, and so they couldn't go back and fix it. I thought actually they could go back and fix it now, but I was wrong. But on the play with 10 seconds to go, he kept saying, why did Kirk need to snap it without everybody set? because they got flagged for an illegal shift. And it was like, JJ, the play clock was on zeros when he snapped the ball. Like he totally missed on the fact that they were hurrying.

The call got in late and they were hurrying and he needed to get the snap off. And he kept just saying over and over again, they didn't need to hurry. The clock was stopped. And I said, yes, the clock was stopped. but the play clock was down to zeros. In fact, it was very close to delay a game on that call. But anyway, yeah.

Oh, Kev, just take the penalty. You know what? You know what? They should have done that. They should have done it. Yeah. He didn't need to hurry. See, what was right?

Well, that's, yeah, but he didn't explain it that way. He said the clock was stopped. They didn't have to hurry. Yeah, we know the clock was stopped. It was the play clock that was down. What's interesting on the Tucker catch is, happened four plays before and was defined by the crew, the officials will stop it once the play is imminent if there's any question at all.

I know. They blew that one from the booth. And then four ways later, they don't do that. I know. They blew it from the booth, no doubt. That has to be an immediate, we're not sure we're going to look at it. Because it was, it definitely bounced. Oh, yeah.

It went through his hands and bounced and came back up. And he dropped a pass early in that drive that would have gotten him out to like the 25-yard line from where they were. I know. I can't watch that. The Raiders without thinking of you just sitting at home on your feet, reading for Kirk Cousin. Don't tell everybody that. But yes, I was very much rooting for the Raiders. and Kirkman.

Oh, he's playing at a high, high level right now. You agree with that, right? Oh, yeah. How about their tight ends? Bowers is so good. He's not even a tight end. How big is he? Well, I don't even care how big.

How many times does he line up as an inline tight end? The answer would be hardly ever. He's 6-4-2-40. he's really good the other guy's good too mayor the one from Notre Dame he's really good mayor

mayor is also really good you know receivers so they better have good tight end you know who else is really good Kenneth Walker the third the Super Bowl MVP he's really good

I told you last week I know I didn't disagree bejean's still my favorite and we get to watch him tonight Bijon's my favorite. I love Bejohn, but Kenneth Walker is hard to tackle. He really is hard to tackle.

God. I mean, he is, I mean, his biggest issue really has been just kind of, at times, not being available. And he was in, you know, a platoon system with Zach Charbonnet. I always liked Kenneth Walker, talked about him all the time. Coming out of Michigan State, I liked him a lot. but Charbonnet and he barely you know they kind of split carries I mean Charbonnet had fewer but and then the Super Bowl game that he had was insane all right back back to it's just wild well the Walker thing it's wild when

that guy's that hard to tackle with and it's not it's not like a true elusiveness he's got power it's wild when they are that tough to tackle with that kind of breakaway speed. Yeah. Yeah, he's really special, man. He is, he's really good. I'm looking at the breakdown because Charbonnet was, so last year

in the regular season, Walker had 221 carries and Charbonnet had 184. Charbonnet missed the last game. So, I mean, he was basically in a, it's kind of like Bijan had Tyler Algier in Atlanta.

And Algier got. a lot of carries too. The great backs often have a second back. Oh, here's a question for you. How good did you think Austin Echler looked? Because they just signed him. It's really nice to have Echler back, and I thought he was excellent in the role that he was in.

I mean, I think already he looks like their best back. I mean, I would have, maybe he was on a snap count yesterday, but I would have, he needed more touches in that game if they were going to have a chance? I really felt the same way. I thought they needed to run the ball left a lot more often and not right, and I thought that they needed Echler in more often. But to your point, he may have been on a snap count. Right.

They wanted to get him 20 or 25 or. Kit, though, here's the thing. You're just about to get to one and three, and you got your third string quarterback in, snap counts out the window. If Echler's hurt for the season because of this, then it is what it is. Play the guys to win. We don't have anybody else in a uniform that we like right now.

Put the guys on the field to win. What is... If you get up the window at that point, if you get into the second half, you're like, Echler looks awesome. If I'm sitting next to you, I'm like, let's play him. Play him. What do you think Diggs looks like to you?

I think Diggs looks really, really good. Yeah. I just, I don't know. So I've thought this, and again, it's not that I've watched a ton of ball the last two years. But I've thought this about Washington for a little bit. And I don't, and I am with Diggs. I don't know if Diggs is a true one. Like, I don't know.

And when I say true one, it's like the guy dictates coverage. He gets over the top. He scares you. He's a double-moved guy. I don't know if that's dig. I know it's not Terry. Terry's a dynamic two, or put it this way, Terry's a great Z receiver.

Right. Or a great X receiver, but your other guy has got to be able to dictate coverage over the top. He's got to win in a double-moove situation. He's got to be able to take the top off the coverage. He's got to dictate where the safeties are playing at all times because he scares the life out of you. And I don't think he does that.

for me, Terry hasn't done that. That isn't to say that he's not a great receiver. There's so many things that Terry McClurent does on the football field that are dynamic and terrific for your football team, but he's not a one, or he's not a scary one. I don't know if Biggs is that. And so without having it, it makes it hard to get deep ball gunfield. You know, for those that haven't heard Chris say that in a while

because he hasn't paid as much attention to football the last couple of years. Chris was saying that about Terry five years ago. And, you know, I've spent a lot of time debating with and sometimes, like, legitimately arguing with our fans that love Terry and believe he is an elite-level receiver, that no, he isn't, but he is a really good receiver. He's a phenomenal contested catch guy, and he's a good blocker, and he does a lot of things well. But you, going back to five years ago, six years ago, you said they have to have somebody on the field that scares a defense, that a defense has to truly game plan for. As an over-the-top threat, they don't have that.

And they haven't had that. Diggs is not that anymore either. You're right. Now, the rookie Antonio Williams, I want to ask you what you thought of him, and I'll do that right after these words from a few of our sponsors. Quick favor to ask, and I know I ask it pretty frequently, but it's because it's important for the podcast to get as many ratings and reviews as possible and as many follows as possible. It's easy to do, for those of you who haven't done it, you can just click on the star count on Apple and Spotify, five star. is preferable if you think the show deserves it. But you just click on the stars.

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It's fine for those of you who haven't done it. but you could pause the podcast right now and do it, and it would be a big help. We continue with Cooley, part two from yesterday, and I asked him before the break to think about Antonio Williams. And so here was his answer on what he thought of the rookie at wide receiver. I like Williams. It's hard to say immediately. I don't know if he's got exactly what I'm talking about. No, maybe not, but how about the play? He scored on that 88-yarder with speed. I didn't know.

Huh? But he breaks the tackle and doesn't. I mean, that's the thing that Terry does. Yep. I guess to clear this up, too, it's not that Terry McClure can't go on the field, line up outside, and run a go-ball, and catch a deep ball over the top of a corner on a straight go-ball.

He does have speed. He can go down the field. So, like, don't think, cool he's an idiot because look he just got a 40-yard go ball talking about a guy that can run like a corner post on a double move and truly separate where you're like oh shit that's a problem for us that is what washington i have in a receiving group right yes he does not separate consistently he's good he's good underneath again man-to-man coverage. He can win on slants. He can win on digs. He can catch the ball. He can run with the ball. He lacks one quality, and that's scariness. Right. And yet his nickname Scary Terry. No, I'm totally with you. You know, the other thing about him that's always been intriguing to me, and my guy Souter mentioned it recently, too, he's a chest catcher, but an

excellent one. Like, he's, right? Like, you and I have talked about hands catchers versus... The Lynn Swan variety of chess catching. What does that mean? Lin Swan was a chest catcher. He was. But what do you mean variety? And he was really, he was really good. Yeah, he was. He did it on purpose. By the way, he was a separator. Lin Swan was. Yeah, the Lin-Swan was. Yeah, he was a separator. And he could really jump high. Oh, yeah. You could go up and get that ball with his chest.

All right. What else? I think that's about all I got. Okay. That's good stuff. Jason, Kelsey, I didn't mention this on... I saw it. I mean, you know the Kelsey's.

Do you know Jason at all? No. Okay. Well, he should know. I hope somebody, and I guarantee you, thousands, tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands, let him know that it was okay that he said Redskins. He didn't need to apologize for it because he apologized for it on the air. And sometimes I'm not, I'm not upset about that.

You know, you never know outside of a market as much as people know about the team that live in the market or the fans of the team. I do find it interesting, though, because when I talk to Eagles, Giants, Cowboys fans, they wish it were Redskins too. But they, you know, when I have people on from New York, Dallas, and Philadelphia, and they say Redskins, and then they say, oh, I mean the commander, sorry about that. I'm like, you don't need to apologize. It's fine. I mean, we're okay with that here.

I mean, 95% of us are. I just thought that that was, you get that outside of the market. from people who think, oh, I didn't mean to offend anybody, you know? No, you didn't. A lot of his career was played again. Of course. Oh, it was a total, people do it all the time. But I don't think you need to apologize for it.

But the fact that he felt like he needed to is, you know, people don't need to apologize. From my standpoint, they don't need to apologize for slipping up and saying Redskins. They don't. I don't think he needs it to either. Yeah. I think he's... I don't think it was a bad move to say, I'm sorry. I said it wrong.

I don't know. Okay. Do you know what? He's better calling games than he is on the set with Scott on Monday night football. And I think he's fine on the set with Scott on Monday night football. But I actually think he did a good job calling the game yesterday. I know that you want to pick apart Kurt Warner and that's fine, but I thought Jason Kelsey was fine.

No, I just want to pick apart a couple moments. Yeah. I didn't necessarily have a problem listening to the game as they watched the game. Right. I just want to grade commentators on things they get wrong. Who'd you bet on yesterday? Who'd you have? I didn't bet on anybody.

Oh, you didn't? No, I was lazy. I couldn't find my phone in the morning. That's why I watched the game. Because you have been occasionally betting on football. I've always, yeah. Yeah. No, you haven't always, because you couldn't when you were playing.

I didn't know what a spread was when I was playing. I know you. That was one of the funniest things. When I first got to know you and I was doing, well, when we started the show together, you were fascinated with the smell test, fascinated. But you didn't really know what point spreads or how betting worked when you were playing. more importantly I don't think I ever looked at it

yeah I don't recall ever even knowing if we were favored or not in the game other than to think we should win or we should lose is what the common thought was not we should only lose by four

things are ridiculous in your point that makes no and what you just said before that, I remember it just, I had a flashback to a conversation where I asked you, I'm like,

don't most players and coaches go into games thinking yeah, I don't care what the point spread it is. We can win this game, but I remember you saying what you just said, which is, oh, no, no, no, no, there were games that we went into where I knew we were going to lose.

Yeah, yeah, there's definitely those games. or let's call it because I was really positive and thinking we were going to win a lot of games. I think that changed some when you're in a five-win season. Which is more apathy than it is anything else. Sure. It was more like, yeah, there's a 20% chance we win. And you were at least capable of.

doing the math on that and figuring out the odds, even though you didn't know the odds actually existed on the game. I was probably pretty close. If I said there's a 40% chance we win, that was, you know, that was probably pretty close. So let me add. The odds probably resembled that. What do you think the point spread should be Sunday with the Giants coming to Landover is a three-and-one team against one and three Washington?

Jaden Daniels being back. What do you think the point spread should be? Like a pick-em. Washington's a three-and-a-half-point favorite. Yeah, Daniels was playing. Winston has thrown, Winston threw two picks. Yeah. Three-and-a-half-point favorite, huh?

Mm-hmm. That stinks. I don't, I expected them to be favored. I mean, with... Washington's pretty good on defense. Jaden is a the difference covers a site that

does a lot on sports gambling had actually this was Yahoo did this before the season this guy Ben Fox who is their gambling expert he did the point spread difference between starter and backup like the actual starter and the actual backup

and Washington's difference between Daniels and Marioita to odds makers is, I think it was six points. So, you know, as an example, on Sunday, yesterday, if Jaden were the starter, Washington would have been a one and a half point favorite because they were a four and a half point underdog. That's not the biggest disparity, but it's up there.

And Mario da's a good backup. But, yeah, so the difference, if Mario, if Mario were. starting the they'd be a three point underdog basically or two and a half point underdog with Daniel starting or at least the expectation of him starting there'll be a three three and a half point favorite so does it go to an exponent no it does not go to alipanaka start yeah if if old zack starts it goes to plus four to the third power um that's a lot of points but that is that's That's 64 points, actually. Right?

Right, four times four times four. Yes, that would be 64. That's a big line. So what other NFL games did you watch yesterday? I watched the Chief game. I watched the Raiders game. I watched a lot of the Chargers game. Chargers made a run late.

Yeah, they did. So you watched the late window games. You watched the early morning game. Then what did you have at 11-8? am mountain time. What did you have? Soccer, flag football? I can't. I just didn't watch the game. I watched an entire Washington game. And then I just can't, I struggled to sit in front of television for six hours. Right. That is, if that makes sense. No, it makes sense to me because I know you, of course. I got, I did get up and take my daughter. She had softball practice. So we went to softball practice.

and then I came home and then I watched the afternoon games and I watched quite a bit of the Lions game last night. Santhers looked great. You know, he's a, Bryce Young is a good quarterback. He's spin it. He can spin it. It comes out quickly. I think you can tell that he totally processes quickly.

you know, he's 5-9 or 5-10. I think that there is a confidence level. He's got the ability to extend. There's just a lot about him that is, I mean, I'm not a big fan of the short quarterback, usually. But he can do it. I mean, he can do it like Drew Breeze could do it. I'm not saying he's going to be Drew Breeze. 100%.

Yeah. On the flip side of that, the lines are bad on defense. terrible on defense. I mean, you can say, and he can throw it, but McMillan is open every play. Hubbard is just smoking them when they handed off.

I don't know what Detroit is doing on defense. I just, they're in trouble. I don't know if Detroit has it this year. They're just terrible on defense, and they're injured on defense, too. That's a big part of it. They're always injured on defense.

They have been, you're right. You're right. You want to hear one of the craziest box scores I think I have ever seen. And actually something happened for the first time in 27 years in this game. The Bears beat the Jets 23 to 12. They did so, by the way, with Tyson Badgant, their backup quarterback because their third stringer, Case Keenum, won on Monday night against the Eagles. He was terrific. He was. Did you like him when he was here? Because, I mean, you did like him a lot. Yeah, I think everyone loved Jason.

Listen to this. The Chicago Bears won 23 to 12. The final score is actually amazing, considering what I'm about to tell you. All right. The Bears ran 89 offensive plays. The Jets ran 32. The Bears had 57 more offensive snaps than the Jets did in the game. The time of possession was 42 minutes, 45 seconds to 17 minutes, 15 seconds.

And then here's the thing that happened that hasn't happened in a game since 1999. The Bears had more first downs in the game, 34, than the Jets had offensive. snaps at 32. It's kind of incredible that they only won 23 to 12. The Jets have seven first down. Seven. 34 first downs to seven. The Jets actually, when they had the ball, were relatively productive.

I mean, if you look at their yards per play, they're, well, their total yards, 157 yards on 32. plays. They were 0 for 7 on 3rd down. Yards per play. They were basically at 4.9 yards per play, so 5 yards of play. That's not terrible. Gino Smith was 8 of 15.

That wasn't a first half stat. That was for the game. How do you only win 23 to 12 having 57 more offensive snaps than the opponent? I don't know.

Here's my favorite stat of the game. The Bears had 11 total tackles. 11 tackles, that's it. Really? That I've never heard. 11 tackles. That's unbelievable. Because of incomplete path, you don't get a tackle on an incomplete path.

Right. So 11 tackles. The jets had 49 tackles. Unbelievable. There were a couple of those yesterday. The Eagles had their worst third down day ever. They were 0 for 12 on third downs against the Rams in the game. O for 12.

The Eagles are really... They've been bad on third down all year. They can't drop back and throw the ball. They're really struggling. And Sakewan got hurt. And Devante Smith didn't play in the game. Goddard didn't play in the game. Sequon got hurt on the first drive.

They're backup, I think, or somebody, another back, I think, Bigsby got hurt during the game. Man, this league is such a league of, if you're the healthiest team in the league at the end of the year, you probably were a playoff team. It doesn't matter how bad you may have been at going into the season. No, it's wild. I mean, the Rams, if the Rams are a healthy team,

they're insane. But the 49ers, they're a healthy team. team right now, their offensive line has played together for three years. They haven't given up a sack this year. No sacks allowed. Purdy hasn't been sacked once. I know. For four games.

Are you kidding me? And the Niners look really good. Until they get a couple guys hurt, then things change. Do you know what team has the second few of sacks allowed in the NFL after the 49ers zero?

I don't because I didn't look up total sacks. Washington. Washington. Washington's quarterbacks, all three of them have only been sacked five times

in four games. The league is, and the games have been insane. I mean, insanely exciting the last few weeks in particular. I will tell you right now if I didn't tell you this,

the last time we talked and we were talking a football, not on the air, but off of it. I think Jacksonville might be the best team in the league. And in the 49ers,

are so impressive. But the 49ers have four wins, and two of them were against the dolphins and the Cardinals, and one of them was against the Rams in Australia, which was just a weird game to begin with. But yesterday was impressive, what they did defensively and offensively. You know, the Broncos have a really good defense.

Yeah, a really good defense. And the Broncos, if Knicks is on, they can, do some things on offense. It just hasn't been great this year. I think Jacksonville's a really interesting team to watch, although watch, Philadelphia got beat, everybody's down on Philly.

Jacksonville's 3-1, they just beat Cincinnati on the road, and Philly plays Jacksonville Sunday morning in London. Philly will probably win the game. That would be so NFL. But Jacksonville, Trevor Lawrence looks great.

They've got good running backs. They're defense is really good, really good. I like that team. There's some, we're four weeks into it. We can start to, you know, think that we are learning some things about teams. Jacksonville's a complete football team. I think the chiefs are a complete football team. They're really good on defense.

He's really good with a young secondary right now. But adding Walker for Mahomes is massive and reed trying to run the ball. He's so really good. I think the Ravens are good. Lamar got hurt yesterday. He did hear his ankle, but he's been exciting. And Day Flowers is a baller. They have all three levels of offense with Flowers and Andrews and the touch.

And then Henry, combine that with a quarterback. You can do whatever you want right now. If he's not out for a while, it didn't seem like he was, he didn't seem like it was terrible, but. That NFC West with San Francisco, Seattle, and the Rams, I mean, all of those matchups, it's too bad the 49ers and Rams played in the opener in Australia because that was such an important game

and will be an important game in the race, but San Francisco plays their first against Seattle this coming week. I'll ask you, what do you think the line is? It's in Seattle. Seattle and the 49ers Sunday in Seattle. Seattle's plus one. Seattle's minus two and a half. Their favorite.

Geez. They're hard to beat there. It's so loud. It's just, it's another environment. Is that the loudest environment you played in Seattle? Not even close. It's the loudest by far. I think that in Kansas City

Philly gets loud The new Dallas Stadium can be loud But there's nothing My My thing with playing in Seattle Is that there's never been Another game that I couldn't hear In the huddle

It was always loud when you got to the line of scrimmage There was never another game That it was hard to call plays in a huddle Right Don't know how they stay loud Through the entire Play clock But they do

that is that's such a gift to have at home what you just said specifically because there are a lot of stadiums that will get loud when the team breaks the huddle and they approach the line of scrimmage but if and this was rfk back in the day it was so loud the teams you could tell were yelling in the huddle just so that they could hear the quarterback call the play and then when they got to the of scrimmage, forget about checking to anything. You had to run what you came out with. Silent count.

Meantime, Landover, we're running silent count as the home team. In a lot of games. All right. What else? This was so much fun. What else you got? Anything? Are you going to watch the game tonight? You're going to watch Bejohn

Robinson and the Superdome against the Saints? I actually think the Falcons are pretty good. I think the Saints are good. I think these are the two best teams in the division. I actually like both the quarterbacks on this game, both the young quarterback. You like Penix Jr. too? I didn't know. I'm sure we've talked about this. I like him. You like him?

Yeah. Penning, the problems with the problem with Pennix. If he's healthy, I like him. I use a smart quarterback. And you like Tyler Shuck, too? Yeah, he's really interesting. He's had a great start to the season

and finished wrong last year. Yep, he did. All right. Yeah, I'm going to watch the game tonight. My son's been watching football, so we've been watching, like, Monday night games. And it's nice because you can watch them here, and you're not up too late. Right. Yeah, 7 or 615 start to Monday night football in Pal, Wyoming.

All the Mountain Times. All right. I'll holler at you later. Thanks. All right, see, buddy. All right, that'll do it for today, back tomorrow.