The Kevin Sheehan Show - Cooley's React To Loss In Philly

Episode Date: January 28, 2025

Cooley was on the show with his reaction to the Commanders' 55-23 loss in the NFC Championship game in Philadelphia. Key plays, player performances, and more. The boys also talked about the AFC Championship game and had quick thoughts on the Chiefs-Eagles Super Bowl.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it. You don't need it, but you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Cheen Show. Here's Kevin. Window Nation is the presenting sponsor of this show. Call them at 86690 Nation or head towindonation.com if you need new windows. Coolie's back. He was with me on Saturday's show previewing yesterday's NFC title game

and he did a great job with it. People loved it, by the way. He watched both games. yesterday. You and I were texting during the game yesterday, and he is back with me to give us his thoughts on Philly's 55 to 23 NFC championship win, ending Washington season. I did do a post-game pod last night. Put it out last night. It's titled, Season Ends in Philly. It includes my full game take, and you can listen to it if you haven't. already by just pulling up past episodes.

But I wanted to start with this, Chris, because I think when people look back on this game and they just look at the final score, they're going to assume that this was a lopsided blowout win that Washington had no chance in. Philly actually set the record for most points ever scored in a championship game. Look, Philly was the better team.

They deserve to win it. I'm not suggesting otherwise. but I really felt late into the third quarter, really until that Echler fumble, I just felt all along, and maybe it's because we watched Jaden Daniels all year long. I felt like Washington was in it, and when they were down 11 and had the ball in the third quarter, I still felt like they were going to win the game. I'm curious as to what you thought as the game was going on. Did you feel like they still had a shot?

you know, especially when we got into, you know, that late third quarter area. Yeah, I felt into the third quarter, they were still in it exactly at that moment. I thought it would have been huge for them to have gotten Philly off the field and found a way to go get points on the next drive coming out of the half, and they went three and out and had to punt, which I think hurts them. But they find a way to make it 3423, and at that moment, that's the momentum they needed to have a chance to take over a game, and the heckler fumble into the game, in my opinion.

Yeah. But, yes, I felt like as I'm watching this game, I'm not concerned at any time in the first half, although the fumble right before halftime on the kickoff return. It's a dagger. Yeah. But you're still looking at that moment and saying, all right, it's 2712, and they get a stop and a score, and you make it

27, 19, 18, 19, 20, depending on what you do or what plays out. Well, they got the field goal at the end of the half, so it was 2715 in half. Yeah, sorry, I'm sorry, 2715, yes, absolutely. I literally just looked at my stupid notes. Yeah, no, but to your point, I was like, if they can get a stop on Philly's opening drive of the second half. and then take it and score. But I thought the stop was the crucial part because they hadn't punt it in the game.

Well, they lined up to punt. They faked to punt in the first half. But, you know, they moved the football. And I thought if they could just get one stop to start the second half, they could score. And it's 27, 22, and now, you know, we got a ball game. But, you know, there was a big sack on Jaden Daniels on second and eight, and that derailed that drive. Yeah, that to me was the most critical possession that Washington had in the game was that first possession coming out.

And then Philly comes back on the field and scores. You're like, so, I mean, watching this game is, I think you put it perfectly that it's a lot closer than what it ended up being at 55 to 23. That's not really indicative of the way the game was played out. And I think how close the two teams were. But we talked about this. I mentioned this to you last week what Tom Brady said about the Lions. And that's good teams don't make mistakes.

And if you want to be a good team, you have to find ways to win. You have to limit mistakes. And I don't think Philly made any. And Washington made critical mistake after critical mistake in big moments of this game that were constant setbacks that made it really hard for them to overcome. They were outside of the box of the game plan, the style of game they wanted to play. They had a chance to get it back in the third quarter, but then you've turned the ball over again, and you're just pressing at that point.

I mean, shit, you look at this ballgame, and I text you after Washington scores on an 18-play drive, and I said, you just have to prevent a big play here. I didn't mean the first wave. I know. But it's like you prevent a big play, and you play sound defense, and even if Philly's got to take the ball down the field, and you're not giving anything huge and easy to them right now to change momentum in that stadium to make...

That moment was so big, I thought, early. And then after that, Washington somewhat gets out of what they are as a team and what they've been all year. I mean, the brown fumble was massive, and that's a huge setback for you. And through the rest of the first half, it's not Washington brand football. The brand of football that they've played this year, which is ball control and smart and third and, or second and seven, second and eight, third and five, get fourth down conversions. They're out of that realm of football, and they were playing into the hands of Philly, which is big play all day. And they gave it up.

Yeah, I mean, real quickly, on the... the first play from scrimmage for Philadelphia. Actually, before we get to that, let me just ask you. And you haven't watched them all year, so maybe your perspective is different. But they go on a game opening drive. You know, we talked about, you talked about, I mean, this was the formula, you know, hold on to the football, possess the football, convert on third downs, convert on fourth downs, they convert two third downs,

they convert two fourth downs, they're eating up the clock. They ate up over seven minutes. on that opening drive. And on fourth and three at the Philadelphia 16 yard line, he kicked the field goal. I was shocked that he didn't go for that. Absolutely shocked. In the moment, I'm like, well, of course he's going to go for it. He just went for a fourth and five.

He just went for a fourth and two. This is what they do. Philadelphia has been on the field now for seven minutes and 17 plays. And he kicked the field goal. I'm not saying it was a mistake because I think coming away with no points would have really felt horrible

but I was just really surprised were you? I thought coming up with points in that situation was it was a smart play I thought it was a fine play but at the same time I think it's we always like the blackjack comparison like you hit on 16 5

hit on 16 4 get on 16 5 and your left fourth time you're like No, it can't be it. But you have to hit it. You have to hit it. No, it's a guy. You know, it's a 10.

I know I'm not going to get it this time. That's what it felt like. Right. I'll just, can I have half my bet back? Right. Surrender. I just say, I'll just surrender here. Give me half the bat back.

No, I mean, that's really part of the method of beating Philadelphia is you've got to score. You know they're going to score. and I thought it probably was a go-for situation. I did. I don't mind it. I don't hate the call. You walk away with three points, and that's where I text you.

This is where you just got to prevent the big play. If you're going to play this way, you can't turn around and let them come out and make the big play. And whether it be a Barclay run or something vertical deep down the field, whatever it is, you've got to prevent the big play. And they come out and they can get gashed. Play one. See you later.

I know. But before we get to that play, real quickly, I want to make sure I'm clear on this. It's not that I hated or I felt like it was so obviously the wrong decision. I just was surprised by it. Here's a team that's just gone for fourth down after fourth down all year long, and they've just converted two in a row. And to your point, you know, you said on the preview on Friday show, You said that, look, Washington needs to, Washington and Philadelphia basically, because they're both fourth-down teams,

just need to be in that third, six, third, seven range because, and on third-ninny, threw a little, you know, ball to Echler, he gets six to set up the fourth and three. I'm like, well, of course they're going for it. And then when I saw Gonzalez come out for the field goal, I was just super surprised. Now, last week in Detroit, they drove the ball down the field, and they got stopped on fourth and two, but they tried a tricky play with Marioota and it failed, and it was a little bit deflating to come away with no points. Here's a question for you.

If you're Philly, are you happy they're kicking the field goal, or would you like him to stay out there because you believe that this time they're going to get a 10 on a 16? You're holding up four. Like, yes, we're off the field. They're kicking. Right. I agree.

So I'm sitting here watching. this again right now. And the other thing, it makes it a surprise is Echler motioned out to a little bit of space, and he's running a choice route. He can go in or out. By the way, if he takes if he can break him off and get inside, it's going to be a first down. But you run a choice play, which you're essentially counting on six. And Daniels is way late on the throw. He hitches an extra time to this choice on the out route to Echler, the sideline, or there's a chance that he gets the extra two. But you're really counting on six, seven, yards on that doubt choice break.

You're not necessarily, you know this isn't going to get run to the sticks. This isn't a route that you're running to the stick. Right. So your assumption as a coordinator is it's third and what, nine at that point. Yeah. We get six. We're in a fourth or three situation. We're going for it.

To me, that's, if I'm not going to attack sticks or try to get the ball truly down the field, and they're not, this a one-man show choice route. You know, this isn't a checkdown. This isn't late. They're looking at that one. in my opinion in the cover two look they got a one-man show

with Echler it's about the only thing he looks at yeah potentially there are other options on this he's got a dig to the middle of the field where he could throw it dig hurts yeah it's fairly decent coverage with Braun

hanging just tight enough but he never really looks at it he throws the choice to Echler now maybe it's not a choice out which means even more so now let's just go ahead and take the fourth down and go for it. Because the other aspect of this is, you know, the field position game,

Kev that we play now with the new kickoff rules, you don't get this and you have them backed up, which you never get anymore on a kickoff. They're never, I mean, it's so super rare that they're inside the 20. Right. So you never get these opportunities until it brings the next kickoff way out. So yeah, you go for it and you've got to back up. Look, I'm not, he's not.

has had incredible instincts, incredible feel he and Kingsbury on when to and when not to. They have just all year long, they've aired on the side of aggressiveness on going for it, and they had done it twice already. I just, I couldn't believe my eyes when the field goal team came out. But again, I trust them, and they've built and earned that trust this year. and it was three to nothing and they didn't leave with no points after holding on to the football for seven minutes. So let's go to, by the way, really good kickoff return, as you mentioned by Shipley, who was outstanding in the game. And then, you know, everything you talked about in terms of, you know, being able to stop the run.

So tell me and tell all that are listening what happened on Philadelphia's first scrimmage play on offense. I mean, they take the motion across Washington ends up being in a man-to-man situation. So if Lattimore follows the fly motion all the way across, they're still not in a bad position because Fowler, I think, is sitting there just outside shade of the tight end, and then Santer still is just outside of A.J. Brown.

So they're not in an Uber bad position to get out-leverage to the outside. But you go ahead and let A.J. Brown crack down on Fowler. and then Sanders still, as the offensive tackle 68, who's coming up to pull, jumps inside of this block, and it's death. You end up creating this massive link.

If he takes the outside shoulder of the tackle pulling at him, I know he's not. This isn't a great situation for a TV against a left tackle in the NFL. But you have to turn the ball back inside, and he's in a position where the ball, where Barkley's just, inside the hash on the toss, that he makes a choice to dive inside the tackle. There's no fucking chance you're going to go inside and make that play. I understand it.

That's not, that's not Samir's still, by the way. That's not Samir's still, by the way. That's not Samoa. Yeah, Egman O'Garney. Yeah, Santer still zero, right? Yeah, zero, yeah. Yeah, there's, sorry, Mikey, not your fault. Yeah. But when you dive inside, if there's a chance you can get inside to make the play,

there's a realistic lane, it's still a real. risk. You can go inside. He jumps inside and then realizes immediately, him that choice, tries the bell back out. And now the ball's on the edge. And as soon as the ball's on the edge, you leave Goddard one-on-one as a blocker. And that's a two-way go for Barclay against the safety. And then we miss a tackle with Martin. And then you miss another tackle with Chin, who was already getting blocked. So it's poor execution on the edge. It's for execution as far as tackling goes.

We're not getting out blocks, and Barclay's not a guy that you can allow this to happen with. I mean, Bobby Wagner's caught up in the wash the entire time, bad angle, and with Santerstale in the end, you're not off the hook, Santer still, because you just get turned around, like, big time. I just picked up something.

Watch chin getting blocked by Goddard very closely. Well, it's a face mask. He grabbed his face mask and yanked it. I didn't see that until just now. He doesn't need to. It's not like... Oh, it's an obvious face mask. Yeah.

No, it's, I mean, it's like the other touchdown where Barclays clearly hold him. Oh, my God. That to me is the... For the big play that Barclays, yeah. That's a massive play in the game. It's 14 to 12. Washington's going to have the lead at halftime if they call that hold. They're going to have the ball.

They're going to go down. they're going to kick a field goal or maybe even get a touchdown and go into the break with the lead. Instead, all hell breaks loose. Philadelphia scores two touchdowns, and it's 27 to 15 at half. How do you miss that hold on Barclay against Louvo? How do you miss it? It's right in front of the quarterback. I don't understand because he's full wraps and turns him,

and they do not miss that. They don't miss that. I mean, honestly, the face mask that you just miss. mention, they almost never missed that. I know. I just picked up on it. That's a yank by Goddard. Now, he doesn't need to do it. Chin, no way is Barclay going to get stopped by Chin? Once Barkley picks up, you said last week, once he gets into, you know, the secondary, it's like impossible. It doesn't matter if you have the right angle. It doesn't matter if you get hands on him.

It just doesn't matter. He's running through it or he's running by it. which is what he did. God, he's so good. He's so good. Hertz played excellent. Oh, Hertz was outstanding. AJ Brown was big time in big situations. The Eagles,

it's one of those games. If you're Quinn or if you, you can tip your cap to the way the Eagles played that game. No doubt. They played an excellent football game. And ultimately, they were a situation ahead of Washington every single time. It was always their one.

situation ahead. And that's what Washington did to Detroit the week before. Right. Yeah, that's why I want, you know, and I was really, I emphasized this on last night's show. I don't think the officials calls, I don't think even the turnovers, like if they committed, say, two less and had two instead of four. They weren't the better team. Philly, Washington didn't help, but it wasn't them losing. the game solely. Philadelphia went out and won the game. Their stars were outstanding

in this game. Led by their quarterback who, I still, because Cooley, I was like very skeptical of Hertz coming into this game. He didn't look right. He hadn't looked right. But I'm telling you, every big game that dude's in,

he seems to deliver whatever's necessary. He was great. Oh, I thought he was awesome. I just think big moments, big plays. He was awesome. I mean, shit, just look at the fourth and five, but at the end of the half. I text you really.

You throw the fade on fourth and five. I know. Perfect throw. Of course, the hold helped. No, the hold absolutely helps, but still, come out and throw a fade to AJ Brown. Are you kidding me? I didn't think they were going to snap the ball.

I thought they were just going to try to draw off sides. And then, you know, be the – No. They don't need to against Washington's defense? It's the Eagles. Yeah. They're going for it. It's Philly.

You know what they're going to give you. But I thought Hurts was awesome. So it's funny, though, because you look at these situations. You look at where you're at sitting there at 14-12, which, by the way, It should have been 14 to 13. Thank you. We talked about some of the risks that you make and some of the risks. You don't need to chase a point there.

No. And I think I text you or we talked about it. You also score and then turn momentum when you don't get a two-point conversion. Yep. And I don't think it flips momentum that big to tie the game. 14-13 is fine. You know there's going to be a lot more points scored in this game. You don't need to lose a point here.

But at the same time, you don't need to give the defense the last laugh on the two-point conversion. and let them back up. I didn't like that at all. I didn't like the play call. I don't like to go for it. I didn't like anything. But still, 14 to 12, here's my thought. But I still have the same thought going into the second half,

even though they go down and end up making it, what, 2715 at the end of the end of the half. I felt like they had a pretty good idea of how to handle Philadelphia's offense. as you're starting to watch this game unfold more. Hurts can't scramble laterally. So as long as you keep him inside and don't let him go A and B gaps, he can't beat you outside. He can't get around the edge.

So interior pressure was going to do everything for you. They had some good blitzers dialed up to create it. He didn't make a couple throws on the edge and get the ball out of his hands. I got really good job, even with incompletions, just not taking sacks at times. But you had an idea. idea of what that offense was going to be, and you're, I think, going to be in better situations

to keep them into third and sevens where you could bring inside pressure and have to make him be phenomenal outside without running. It's just you keep giving up points, and then you're chasing, and now he feels capable of doing whatever they want to do. I just, I thought it was just a game changer. Kickoff return fumble. Yeah. I think your point about, first of all, Philly was clearly having some issues with the interior of their line, with Landon Diggersson being injured and playing for Jurgens who was active and ended up coming in.

They had a guard. And Washington really, I thought, sort of really took advantage of some of those Louvue Agap blitzes. They just, and that was the most disruptive thing they did defensively all day because they didn't cover well. and at times they were really bad against the run. But there were some big plays by Louvo, you know, as a blitzer. I mean, he had a TFL on Barclay that basically forced them to punt. He had a sack on Hertz that forced the 54-yard field goal that they missed. Right. But, God, your point about Hertz getting out of some of those things and, you know,

taking a possible bad play and getting rid of the ball. He was phenomenal at doing that all day long. No, he was terrific. And he made a lot of big-time throws. He was accurate, I thought, for the most part in the game. And, yeah, just getting out of the pockets there. I mean, look at the play makes where you get pass interference down on the red zone to go ahead and score there with the inside corner route right before the half.

or they score. I mean, Latimer's covering Smith. Yep. And Hurt has, Herta's fleeing on the run to the right, just throwing one up for grabs, which ends up being a freaking good throw.

But ultimately, create the PI situation. Yeah. I mean, and honestly, like, that's tough on the corner. It's tough on Latimer in that, that deal.

I mean, Smith releasing up the hash, and he's got hashed at sideline to outrun him on a flatten corner out. The tough cover for any corner, with the inside of the three running there. But they had pressure. They got pressure. That was another Louvoie. They absolutely had pressure.

No, they just give up the edge. You get 92 out there trying to come in tight with the interior pressure. All you have to do is hold the edge, hold the point of the edge, and don't let him outside and he's dead. But here, I mean, so I was actually surprised, well, they did get pressure at times. They got beaten. I thought man coverage, as it played out, was not necessarily the best plan. We knew that those corners were going to have to be good on islands,

but that doesn't necessarily mean man coverage. And some of it, I just think Washington failed to play tight man coverage. Yeah. I mean, they're tough receivers to cover, and, man. Right. For starters, but, you know, Latimore, you know, really... I also thought that he got frustrated and lost his cool a little bit. He did.

He did. I don't know. It's one of those hard games. This entire game is a hard game because you really have to... I think you would... Playing out some of these choices and situations in the first, second quarter changed the game. Some of the failures in the first and second quarter truly changed the game. by the time you start the fourth quarter it, though.

Philly didn't think it was over, though. They kept put it on them. Yeah. You know, the Lattimore, you're talking about being on an island against Smith, and they don't get the contain on Hertz, and he gets out, and he makes a really good throw. Actually, Smith should have caught it. It should have been a touchdown on that play.

Yeah. But Lattimore, on two plays earlier, basically, tackled Goddard in the end zone or tried to tackle them in the end zone, and they didn't call that one. Right. It was pretty close. I mean... Do you think that was close? I think that's playoff football. Okay. You could easily call that PI. Just to we're clear, I'm not a moron. But I think there's some playoff football aspect to it.

If you freeze frame it, the ball not in his hand yet, Latimore's climbing his back. I'll give you that. On the Goddard play. Yeah, on the Goddard play. Yeah. Lattimore is climbing his back on the Goddard play. Yeah. I mean, he's got his arms wrapped around him. Yeah, I mean, he's about a half second early.

But I'm talking about before Goddard gets to the end zone, at the two or three yard line, he tries to tackle him. Well, that's holding. Okay, well, yeah, I don't even know if the ball's in the air at that point, but at the very least it's a hold. You're not allowed to do that even in the playoffs, are you? Goddard. The Goddard man is a load too. Dave Juan Barclay's allowed to do it.

Yeah, that was, that's the play for me. Goddard's allowed to pull face masks. You know, we make these points either way, but they called it, I didn't think officiating changed this game at all. I don't either. I mean, even if they get Barclay for the hold, I think ultimately, whatever Philadelphia needed to score to win the game, I think they probably would have generated that number.

I think so too. Yeah, it's P.I. It's a clear P.I. Yeah, I mean, he just, he tries to wrap him up with his arms. I mean, it's not even subtle. What's weird about doing that is, why do you want to do that to a tight end that you can outrun? Why do you want a big, cut a big body, a big tight end, your DB? Lattimore really got beat by everybody on the field in this game.

Smith got her. AJ Brown. You know that, you know Latimore as a player, but, you know, they traded for him at the trade deadline, and he had a hamstring injury. And so it took him a while to even get on the field. And then when he got on the field, basically his first game or maybe his second game was covering A.J. Brown, traveling with A.J. Brown. And he got torched. Then he missed a couple more games because of the hamstring. Then he comes back and he plays against Mike Evans in the pen, in Tampa and gets lit up in the first half. And that was it.

They stopped traveling him with star receivers, and he didn't travel with Amon Ross St. Brown last week, and he didn't travel with A.J. Brown, obviously. By the way, let me just be clear on this, people. There is no referendum on the Latimore trade at this point. You can't possibly have an opinion that is definitive. guy's been a great player in the league, and he had a bad hamstring injury when they traded for him. It's a new defense. They've had some incredible opponents he's had to face.

We don't evaluate that trade until the end of next year, or at least halfway through next year. That's my opinion. But whatever. I will completely agree with you on that. Let's see what he is healthy. Yeah. We didn't mention how awesome the fake punt was. That goes into Philly just is going to outscore you. I mean, they're dead right there if they don't convert. That's a moment where they're in big trouble and that fake punt was so massive to keep them in a ballgame.

What a throat trisway made. Exactly. I said this last night and I do have proof. Corbyn would tell you this. Before they lined up, I'm like, I feel. think they might fake this here. They're so aggressive thinking anyway, and then right before the pun, if you watch, they're like doing something at the line of scrimmage.

I think Reeves is up there, and I don't know what he's calling out, and then I'm like, I think they're going to fake this. And it was executed beautifully, and Tressway definitely threw a great ball. Listen, if he's not going to punt, which he punted twice in three playoff games, you might as well have him do something. It's a beautiful throw. and that's your guy sent it. That's your guy sent it, the Kooley Doppel gang.

Only five catches on the year, but he had a big one there. He did. But to your point, that was so critical because they're about to give it back down 11, and it'll probably be 21 to 3 at the end of the second, you know, early in the second quarter. 21 to 3, 17 to 3. I mean, they had a chance to go down and convert with that, too. you know, he jane takes a sack on a boot

where he could have thrown away in the next play, but then he makes an unbelievable window throw to Brown. Oh, yeah. And honestly, just going through my thoughts on that driver's

they had a chance and then I get to a third and ten and I feel like he's just trying to push too hard to get all of it at once and he could have thrown the checkdown and they could go to a fourth and four, four and five, if they can convert

because you're going to go for it there down 14 to three. Yeah, was that the play that third and ten were just the whole interior of the line gets pushed back into them? They really, I mean, look, Philly's great. I'm not saying that they're not. Jalen Carter is a fucking monster. But where is that play? 14-3, right?

Third and ten, you're saying? Yeah, it was a third and ten. Because I got written down that there's interior pressure immediately. Well, I think on the second and ten he takes a shot. to Brown in the corner of the end zone. Yeah, here it is. I mean, who is that that gets pushed, Allegrety gets pushed right

back into Jaden? Yeah, but this is also one of those deals where it's like, man, if you're only going to go right, you're cutting, and you're on the right side of the field, you know, you're into the boundary. You've got,

on the backside, you've got a little whip route from 14 that you can just throw that quick check with. I see it. Zickey is. But if you watch the way Philly plays, and we talked about this the other day, Philly's playing tight, man. They're playing tight on Daniel's right, trying to make him turn it down and run right.

They're soft on the backside of this. Yeah. They're playing off and soft, waiting like, hey, if you want to really look at it, we'll drive on it. But they just play a real tight pass zone on the three-man side to the field to his right. And they can make it tough on it. I see that. I also, honestly, I think the other thing is, I, I just didn't, I thought there were multiple moments where he wasn't running the way he had been

over the past few weeks. You know, like, this play on this third and ten, he can full sprint take off right. It's soft right if he gets out to the right side of the field. He's not going to get the first down, likely, but if three players turn and block three dudes, he might. And I, to me, I just never felt like, you know, there wasn't the zone read stuff where he's becoming an impactful runner early in the game. they tried to stay with some inside stuff.

And maybe they're making him turn down inside self, you know, without watching it. But he just didn't have the impact or the threat that he's had on some of the last few games. And I think it hurt them. As an option runner or designer, he had some big time scrambles in the game. And he had that speed option touchdown run. The speed option was so awesome.

So awesome. But you're right. But early, I didn't think he was, he changed the game the way he has the last few games. And look, this isn't on him. But what we talked about Friday was it is going to, the game will depend on him. The game will depend on him. Yeah.

Can you do it every single week against great defenses every time? No, they make it hard on you. And I don't think the game's on him at all. And I believe to every moment until the last fumble, he had an opportunity. He would have had to overcome a ton. Yeah. I mean, we can talk about his performance in more detail.

You want to do that? I don't know. I mean, what do you have in that notebook of yours to unload on everybody here? What's still left in it? I don't know. There's not a whole lot left. All right. Well, let's take a break.

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But do you like Philly to win the game? Right now, you've got time. Yeah, I think Phillies. I think Phillies. I don't know how many ways you can beat Philly. The way they played, the way they're playing healthy. Hurt will be healthier. Get linemen back.

By the way, we didn't mention in the game, he had a chance to take advantage of them not having a center. No, yeah, we talked about Lou Vu just attacking the A-GAP consistently. Yeah, that's one of them, but I mean, yeah, that was an advantage. But I don't know how you slow them down enough. It's the best match-up, I think, if you're just want to watch a game, I think Kansas City's defense against Billy's offense and the

home's ability to move ball and score against anybody. I love the matchup. It's going to be a great game to watch. It wasn't the game where I wanted. I don't think it's the game a lot of people wanted. But it's not a, oh, I'm not going to watch this because it's going to be a phenomenal game. Also, I've watched with a couple of bills fans,

and it's funny, in Wyoming as well, all the new bills fans, because Josh Allen went to Wyoming, or Bill's fans. Right. And we, they, they have small town values and more. It's like,

you've been to Buffalo. Um, but it, there's frustration at Kansas City. And I'm like, you're so mad because he, the Holmes gets so lucky every single week. What do you matter?

Like, he's awesome. They play great ball. They're still freaking consistent. What is, what is not to like about what the chiefs do? Andy Reed, get that team ready.

Spags is one of the best decored. coordinators, probably the best decontator right now in the NFL. They're great players. They get the most out of the young players. I mean, leadership top to bottom. It's just, it's what you want to do when you're building a team. Do me a favor. Let's hold off on any more Kansas City, Buffalo, or a look ahead to the Super Bowl talk, because I wanted to say that for the final segment of the show, because there's still so much more on Washington, Philadelphia. and I think one of the things I want to know, and I would bet a lot of people that are listening want to know, is how do you think Jaden played?

I thought he was good. I didn't think he went out and won a game for him. I think there are times early throughout that he wasn't completely accurate. I had opportunities to give guys better balls, more chances to run after the catch. But then even early in the game, the first drive, I think he's got two or three bad balls, but he's still converting the fourth-down situations, and he's still capable of moving the sticks there. I thought he played well as I watched the game. It really, to me, falls on dumb turnovers

and penalties in bad situations and allowing Philly to make unbelievable plays in critical situations. It just... I don't know how you overcome some of the things as a team as an offense when you have what Washington had in the game, especially I don't know how you overcome it as a quarterback. How about him... He had the chance to put the game in his hands.

Yeah. It was the biggest load he's had to carry this year. You know, deficit. You know, he had no Sam Cosmy in the game, their best offensive lineman. You know, so that was an impact up front. They had no running game, again, no running game at all. And, yeah, it was one of the first times this year, he hasn't been able to sort of perfume over the rest of the team and carry it to a win.

And I think that's because this was the best team they have faced by far all year. And you can't be minus four. It's cool. You know, when they won in December, they were minus four in the turnover margin and won the game, which is really amazing when you think about it. But, you know, that's asking him to do that twice. against a great defensive team, and a defense that isn't getting off the field for you, is like it's just too big of an ass, right?

It's impossible. It's impossible. You almost never win a game more than minus two. Yeah. I mean, pretty much any NFL game, if you're plus two, I'll bet you plus two is 95% in the NFL. If not more. Plus three is probably 98. it's like it's like

unheard of to win a game if you're minus four they had I don't know I mean it was just yeah you just all these things it was just

it was a perfect storm of all the shit that happened to them that didn't work out but there just wasn't a way that we're going to win that game from the fact that you dropped the opening kickoff

yeah you know they never ran the ball I don't think Robinson ran the ball with confidence I thought later in the second half they opened up, and they took the ball down the field on a big drive. We had a huge show to Ertz, and then he goes and throws the touchdown to Zakeas.

I thought they opened it up a little bit more. That Ertz is a three-level throw where he can attack multiple levels in that zone coverage the Philly had. I liked that. He didn't throw the touchdown past Zakias. He threw the two-point conversion to Zakias. Yeah, the two-point two-point. That was on the speed option that he scored on. And by the way, they were like two to three men downfield on the Zakiya's.

at Keyes two-point conversion because it was an RPO and they they cheated but they didn't get called for it. They cheated. No one got called for anyone. No one got called for anything. I know. Just, you know. So we were sitting there watching this game and my friend who's, who loves football, says,

how do you stop the push push? Yeah. So we sat and watched all the push push from Philly and all the push push from Buffalo and it's tough. But you know what's interesting? No one ever pushes the defensive players in the back. Linebackers always try to jump over the top and dive through gaps. No one ever pushes back. Right. What if the only way to stop to tush push is to push push? Yeah, to tush push back. I don't know. I hate it.

It's so crazy when you play the Eagles and they get in a third and two. It's over. They get it Every time. It's insanity. You cannot stop them in the third and two. They're going for it on fourth and one if they don't get it. But they get two every time. Well, they stopped them on the two-point conversion that they went for. And by the way, on the first and goal before the whole sequence, he fumbled. The ball picked it up and was stopped.

But, yeah, I mean, I don't know. I don't know. I want to get to that in a moment. But are you wrapped up on Jaden? I mean, I would. I would like to sit and really watch the way that he played without having a motion or the rest of the aspects of what went into the game on my mind that be through as I do it. I thought the kid played well.

I just don't think he took over a ballgame. I thought he made big throws. There's some stuff that he missed. I think Philly took advantage of some of his tendencies and were able to restrain or hold him off a little bit. But I thought the kid played well. I think he gives him a chance to win every game. He just didn't take over the game. One of the things that you talked about on Friday is that you didn't want to see them get away from trying to run the football.

They never tried to run the football. I mean, in the first half, they had 28 called pass plays and nine called run plays. Clearly, they did not think, A, they could run the football. B, there was value in trying. So why do you think that was? I have honestly no idea because I think they would have been able to run the football against that defense.

And I think you and I laid out on Friday that it's not inside zone. Their pressure and their ability to get backers-free and fight the double teams is really good. So I think you would take advantage of some of that uphill pressure and have more pulling, trapping type plays. And integrate your quarterback as a runner more than not.

And really, they didn't do it at all in the first half of this game. Yeah, I'm looking at the second, like the opening drive, they had 14 called pass plays, three called run plays, and then the 18th play was the field goal. On their second drive, Eckler's in there, and he gets a four-yard run on first down. It's second and six, and then they throw it. Now, then they give it to Brian Robinson.

and they get it, and then it's the Diami Brown fumble on the punchout by Bond. By the way, how good is he? He's really good, but by the way, how often do we not hold the tip of the ball will we carry it? Like, who cradles the ball without putting their ball between the tip of the ball between their fingers?

That's asking to fumble the ball. Yeah. Seven points of pressure, bro. How many points? Seven points of pressure on the ball. Yeah. He didn't have that. He had about two. What did you think of

Ertz in the game? I think Ertz is terrific. I think he's a massive ad. He's really been helpful all a year to Jayden Daniels. He knows how to get open. He knows how to find space. He can still win one-on-one situation. His separation ability is really

good. I think Ertz is awesome. I forget. You got to know Ertz pretty well, right? No, I don't know. Oh, okay. Who am I thinking of? I don't know who I'm thinking of. Witten? Yeah, Witton.

He's old like me. Yeah. You know, he is a free agent. I think they need to sign him and bring him back. I mean, maybe Senate, they have a lot of belief in, but they obviously didn't use Senate as much as they used their other, you know, second round picks defensively. San Ristold and Newton.

I just think that Ertz was such a huge plus. for Jaden. 6-5-66, massive catch radius. You said something either on the show the other day or at an earlier point. The guy can still win one-on-one. You know he's going to be where he's supposed to be. Jaden's season this year would have been spectacular, but Ertz had a lot to do with his season this year.

Think about all, guys, think about all the third and fourth down conversion throws to Ertz. I mean, he looked at Ertz in almost every big third and fourth down. Not Terry as much as Ertz. Let me see what the first down catches number numbers were for Ertz this year. But I have to think that he led the team in first down catches. Yeah, as you're doing that, you go back through the game a little bit, I think he missed Erts quite a few times as well, or had opportunities to get the ball to Ertz and didn't get the ball out of his hand. He's open. Earth is open for business. But gosh,

the other thing that he does really, really well, and I've always thought this about Zackertz, is he comes downhill and attacks the footballs or outrunner. He does not get undercut. He does not let a DB get through him. He comes back downhill and attacks the football for a quarterback. And when you do that, your quarterback knows he can trust you.

And there's three or four instances in this game where Ertz is capable of doing that. Ertz was second on the team behind Terry in first down catches, but he led the team in first down catches during the postseason. Yeah, he set the franchise record for receptions in a game, and he was second to Jordan Reed's 120 for yardage in a playoff game. Jordan Reed had that in that game against the Packers. I wanted to ask you about the end of the first half. that, you know, for some of the year, I would say for the majority of the year, I was pretty pleased with how, you know, effective they were in managing the clock.

There were a couple of situations during the course of the year where I was a little bit flummoxed on what they did, but they managed that perfectly. And then I thought the Eagles were way too soft on that final drive. I mean, Jaden had the big run of 19 yards, got out of bounds, it got. him into field goal range, but the pitch and catch to Ertz before the field goal attempt with no timeouts, they were playing Hail Mary defense on that play. I don't know why they were doing that. They went from a 53-yard field goal to giving up, you know, 11 yards, and it was a 42-yard field goal. Well, I think it's at that moment there's 13 seconds left, and if you're Washington,

your first thought is, I got one chance to attack me at some. With no timeouts left? I don't know. I'm immediately. Yeah, I got one shot. I got one shot to take a shot. Take a look at the end zone. Okay. And if you're Philly and you make me turn that shot down pre-snap, then it's turned down.

And I'm not going to take a shot. But I think if you come up and challenge, you get an opportunity to get the ball into the end zone, which Philly did not want them to do in that moment. So I think Philly was fine with a Phil goal attempt, even if it was a 40-yard Philgo attempt. I understand what you're saying. I just, I feel like at that moment,

what 2712 Philly's like whatever 2715 is not what we'd love but it's sure a lot better than 2720 or 2719 Yeah I don't know

I specifically said Will I'm watching that game With 13 if there's any opportunity To take a shot at the end I can do this here I mean if the ball's at the 35 It's not at the 25 I understand where the ball is

I'm saying if there's a look that you can throw a go ball or something let's go for it. Right. They needed points. Yeah, I hear you. You know, I thought it was interesting the way Brady defined a yard per second. Sometimes he has some awesome stuff as they're driving the ball down the field there. But is there in that moment, you can't throw a five-yard over-out to Zach Ertz

as you're trying to get the ball down the field. If you're going to throw the ball in the middle of the field, you've got to attack 20 yards to the middle of the field. It's got to be a big play ball. He threw over-out to Ertz for like seven. And that's 18 seconds of time. We didn't have that time through Washington. I'll tell you one thing, man. They have so much trust and so much confidence in Daniels

in any one of those situations. All season long, I mean, if there was even a prayer, you know, call it 20 plus seconds, no timeouts. They started off the drive by going for it. and I knew, you know, Philadelphia had the penalties there on Sanristil, which extended that drive. We didn't talk about that call, the late hit on Barclay. I thought that was really not the kind of call you make in a championship game. Yeah, that's, dude.

The impossible thing is when you make that call on the field, and you can define that his foot is out of bounds. You can't overturn the call. Well, they can't over the turn to turn the call anyway, yeah. Well, they can go back and look at that now. No, they can't. Personal fouls? Yeah, they go back and look at it. Am I missing something here? Is it possible that New York might call down, like, as a quick overturn, which we've seen?

I guess. But that's not a reviewable play, is my point. No, you can't challenge it, but New York can go. No, no, no. But you can't go to the play. But you can't go to the booth in the final two minutes and overturned. that call. You can get something quickly, just like a spot or know that his knee was down. That's not a fumble. Nobody's going to tell. No, but I think New York overturns it if it puts off the ground

one center still hit him. Okay. That said, I think you're right about that. I think you're right about that, actually, with quickly New York, but not a replayable, you know, challenge kind of a situation, I guess, is what I would say. No, but New York can pick it up. They define that he hit him in bounds. Where I think it's bullshit is it's fucking Sequin Barclay. You've got to hit him. Yeah.

Is there a moment we want to not hit this guy on the field in the field of way near the field? You're not trying to shove him. And San Francisco's not trying to do anything. He's a rookie who wants to ensure that he gets Sequin Barclay down or out of bounds. I didn't think it should have been called a penalty, but you throw it on the field and then it's hard to overturn.

Right. Or go to New York and say, yeah, I don't pick it up. I just thought the intent was not to shove him out of bounds late to hurt him. I thought the intent was purely in. Within the timing of a millisecond, the intent was, I got to make sure I do my job and get this guy out of bounds. I like the call. It costs them four points. I mean, it was fourth down if they don't throw that.

And instead of it being 27 to 12, you know, it's 23 to 12. which then you go down and you kick the field goal at the end of the half, and it's 2315 at halftime. Big difference. All right, let's get to the tush-push sequence. So real quickly, did you know the rule that they could award a touchdown? No, I've never heard that in my life. So I knew that there was a rule for something there, unsportsman-like.

They put this rule in when Harbaugh in Baltimore at the end of halves or at the end of games started holding intentionally to run the clock down and force a team into one play, either kick the field goal or go for it. You know, I'm talking about deep, deep red zone. It's like they started to hold intentionally, you know, which was smart. And then they put the rule in. I didn't know necessarily that it was an awarding of a touchdown. I think in the defense of holding thing, and I didn't go back and check the rulebook, but I think the offense has the ability to go back to the time on the clock at the snap of the play. But it's unsportsmanlike.

But it seemed to shock everybody. But here's my question. Let me read the rule to you. Here it is. The rule is rule 12, section three, article two from the NFL rule book. It's under the section titled Unsportsman-like Conduct, and this subheading is Fowls to Prevent Score. And the rule states plainly, the defense shall not commit successive or repeated fouls to prevent a score. The penalty for it is, for successive or repeated fouls to prevent a score, if the violation is repeated after a warning, the score involved is,

awarded to the offensive team. Here's the problem I have with this. They're trying to draw Washington off sides. Like, they're trying to draw them off sides. Now, clearly, Louvo's trying to time it and go over the top. And after the second time, he gets the warning. John Allen had an encroachment penalty as well. But I don't know, man.

I don't like the idea that you're essentially penalizing the defense to try to stop this play that, you know, is really hard to stop without trying to time the snap. What do you think? I don't think you can award a touchdown if Washington is legitimately trying to jump snap and legitimately trying to do anything they can do in their power to stop a play pre-snap. I think you can award a touchdown if I'm just dragging you down as a hold or outlandishly not playing the game within any aspect of the rules of the game.

Right. But Washington's not trying, they're not trying to do anything besides whatever they can possibly do to stop a push, which means time it's not. You get pressure, back of it. They should have never thought of awarding it in that fashion. Right.

And I just think it's a massive debate if they were to award a touchdown. Really? Now, if there's something that's happening in a play that's completely out of bounds of out of the realm of football, like we talked about like the Harbao. Yeah. You know, your receivers run in a slant, and instead of playing defense, you just double-leg, tackle him at the legs,

and pick up and put him down. Yes, we could award that that would have been a throwing catch for a touchdown. But pre-snap, penalties, just trying anything you can do to time it just right? I don't think so. Here's the thing that was frustrating for me because you know me well enough. It's like I'm still thinking, well, I'm thinking about a couple of things. I'm still thinking about if they can hold them to a field goal, it's a two-touchdown game, and we've got the whole fourth quarter still to play, basically.

So you give up the touchdown, you're down 18, it's game over. I thought the Eckler fumble, I kind of felt like, oh, shit, it's basically over. But if you hold them to a field goal, it's 37-23. if you can go down and score 3730 with six minutes to go or whatever, you're in it. So I'm hoping that they'll hold them to a field goal. And then I was also hoping that they might hold them to a field goal because if they went down and scored, they might do that thing down 14 and then down eight where they go for two to try to make it a six-point game, which would have been a push.

But anyway, the other part of this, and this was really interesting to me, and I know it will be interesting to you. Philadelphia could have burned about a minute of clock, but they could. kept snapping it with like 15 seconds left on the play clock. The clock kept rolling after each of these penalties, the game clock, and they reset the play clock to 25, and they kept snapping it with like 16, 17 seconds to go. So they could have burned certainly about 40 to 50 seconds of clock, and they didn't take advantage of that. That is, you know, not that it was at that point probably something they were thinking about, but had they been held to a field

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They play the Eagles who beat Washington yesterday. They're just amazing, Chris. I know you watch this game, too. What do you think? Kansas City wins every situation, and they're playing four or five snaps ahead of everyone they play. I may know how to win, and it excites me to watch a team do what Kansas City does week in and week out. That was my biggest takeaway.

I mentioned something like that about Washington's game, but really it's the takeaways. They're not – Kansas City's not a play ahead of you. They're an entire situation ahead of you. Their entire set of downs ahead of you. And everything's playing into your hands. I thought both teams played incredibly well. I mean, it's fun to watch both of these teams play. I love watching now and play quarterback.

I think that Buffalo probably should let him take more shots down the field and create more opportunities, and I'm real aware of what Kansas City's defense is, but it feels like over the last two weeks, Buffalo's been relegated to, like, little screens and dinks and dunks and trying to run the ball. And I don't think he has to do that. I think he has the ability to be a big-time quarterback

throw the ball down the field kind of guy. But that is where they were, and they're in a tight game. Shit, I don't know. It was, it's wild. It's also wild at the end of the game you're watching. You know Spags is going to blitz, and they miss a corner blitz on a fourth down day in the game.

You're like, oh, my God. How did we not see this? Well, let's talk about that play, because if Josh Allen completes that pass to Dalton Kincaid under that pressure, that's a career-defining throw. you know, if they go on to win the game, especially. And I guess they'd have to go on to win the game for it to be a truly career-defining throw. But, you know, it's fourth down, and that's their last gasp for the most part. And, you know, they don't pick up the blitz.

They don't see it. It fools them, and he's under duress and somehow he gets it downfield. And Kincaid had a chance to catch it. It was so incredible that he can get that much. behind that ball to make that throw. It's unbelievable. I mean, he gets cornerblitz. So they really are.

They're in a five-man protection. I mentioned you could bring a back in or the back there, but that's number 10. That's not a back. That's a receiver, and he's just running a swing to the left. Could he have thrown it to him? No. So first of all,

I think. Your right guard turns the de-tackle-free. They're right on a hard swing, to the left, you just turn the right tackle free, the defensive tackle and the corner. So he's got two free chiefs coming inside. They're both DBs. It's not a detackle. It's a DB number 20 lined up over the guard that he turns free.

Alan's on a full scramble right, hard right. There's no way he can get the ball back to Shakir. I just don't think he can flip his body and throw hips back to get it all the way across the field to Shakir. I don't even think he can, as he sees both those, there's no way to get Shakir. in his vision. To throw the freaking flailing duck down the field to Kincaid is unbelievable with nothing behind the ball.

I mean, it's absolutely incredible that he gets this much on a ball. Under complete duress, really three guys in his face, because the right tackle loses too, and he gets hit by the defensive end with two dbs also there.

And it looks like a punt when you watch the ball, especially on an end on copy. I mean, the ball is wobbling. It's probably moves from right to left, not vertical downfield. This ball probably moves from right to left

over the numbers to three yards inside the numbers. And Kincaid's coming back to get it. I mean, he gets his hands and chest on the ball. It's a catch he can make, and he knows, and he feels this. And it's all him, because Allen did everything you could do to get that ball downfield to him.

and that is the only guy I could have gotten the ball to. It's an amazing. It's an amazing play to get the ball down there for a shot on that. I mean, you'd look at this forever. And it's a career to fighting play for Kincaid. It's not going to ruin a career, but to make this play in the situation is on NFL films forever. It's like David Tyree from Eli.

Yeah, no, it would have been. You know, the game wasn't over at that point. And the Chiefs, I'll tell you what, they don't mess around. They are not into, we're going to run it three times. And if they stop us, they'll use all their timeouts, then we'll kick the field goal, be up six. No, they end games with the ball in Mahomes' hands. It's just what they do. They'll take the risk.

There's no one better at it. And it's not a – but I don't feel like it's a risk. Well, I mean, P. Ryan could drop the ball, and then all of a sudden – Yes. then all of a sudden that you've given them an extra time out. I guess. I mean, that's about a three-foot throw. Yeah.

If you got a guy that's going to drop that ball, you're okay. I know. I'll tell you what. Josh Allen was reckless with the football early in this game. I think he, you know, they have no chance, obviously, without him and he made some great plays. The fourth and one will be a controversial call for a long time to come in terms of whether or not he got it or not. They just can't get over the hump here. I would have never chased the two-pointers early in the game. It came back to really haunt them.

Basically ended up changing the game by three points. Those would have been three massive points since they lost by three. But, yeah, I mean, it's just how do you, I don't know how you bet against Mahomes. I've done it now. I did it, you know, I did it last week, although I had the under. I did it last year with Baltimore.

I did it yesterday with Buffalo. I just thought it was going to be their time. You watch Kansas City all year long. It just looks like they're bored. But in people are like, they won 15 games, but they don't look that good. But they don't care. about looking good. They care about

games like last night and doing what they need to do to win. So absolutely true and it reminds me of talking to Riggins or some of the guys on the great Redskins teams. Right. They're getting ready for the postseason.

In the regular season, yeah. But their preparation is for the postseason. They're using that platform to experiment, play, figure stuff out, get better to the postseason. And then it's like what you said,

how do you bet against him? It's almost, Dave used to always say this. If you ever get the Patriots out of discount, you always take that. Yeah. Yeah, if you get the Chiefs at a discount, you should probably take it. Well, you like the Eagles with the Chiefs discount.

I know. But here's what I'll say. I do. I like the Eagles. I think they're going to be incredibly hard to stop. They're so well-rounded. Would I be surprised if Kansas City wins the game? No.

At all. Of course not. Nobody would. It's a hard game to bet on. It really is to me. I think the outcome of this game is a really tough game to bet on. Can you imagine being O'N4 as Josh Allen is against the Chiefs? And, you know, other than that first game, the AFC title game, I mean, they were all winnable, all of them.

I guess he can go talk to Jim Kelly. Yeah, but Kelly got to the Super Bowl, you know. He got to the Super Bowl four times. Yeah, well, he lost four times. Yeah, but not to the same team. I mean, Mahomes is Jordan. I understand. Mahomes is Jordan.

If you're in his conference, you're effed. He's 29 years old, and we're now, you know, closing in on, you know, number four. And he just makes everyone great. It doesn't matter who it is. I mean, you look at that team right now. The real best receiver, early in the years, right? He ain't playing. You got D'Andre Hopkins, who's got, like, one reception.

Kelsey only has two receptions. Did you get you a couple times? Like, it doesn't matter who you list. They find guys. Yeah. It really is. It's a lot like the Patriots when the Patriots were on the run that they were on. Brady's there, and they just find everybody else.

And having the one tight end with you, you know, having the gronk, having the Kelsey. Everyone else just fits in place. Oh, this is a dynasty. I mean, we're in the midst of a dynasty here. Absolutely. You know, it's kind of amazing. And the NFL is designed to prevent dynasties. And yet we've, we're on our second one this century.

New England and Kansas City. And the sport with salary cap and, you know, free agency and draft weighted, you know, towards the worst teams getting the top picks. And it goes to show you that if you get the coach in the quarterback right, you can just be in contention and win and have a shot every single year. And when the quarterback is really right, like Mahomes or Brady, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you. you know, and it's a good situation. Pretty impressive. All right, thank you. Pretty impressive.

Thank you for doing this. We'll talk towards the Super Bowl, and maybe we can talk at that point about, you know, what's next for Washington, because they have top, you know, five-ish, top-four salary cap space. They've got draft choices. And they, you know, I would think this will be Jaden Daniels' worst supporting cast, and they won 14 games.

with this supporting cast. I would agree. And I would think if he gets going, you can do what he does, like Mahomes. There's potential that he needs less and less supporting cast to make guys great. All right, thanks. I know you've got to run.

Appreciate it. See it. All right. That's it for the day. Back tomorrow with Tommy.