The Kevin Sheehan Show - Daniels "Day To Day" w/Knee Sprain

Episode Date: September 16, 2025

Kevin opened with the news of the day that Jayden Daniels has a sprained knee that may cost him Sunday's game at home against the Las Vegas Raiders. Kevin recapped an exciting week 2 of NFL games as well. Steve Suter jumped on with an excellent "film breakdown" of Commanders-Packers. He talked about the biggest issues in the 27-18 loss in Green Bay, graded Jayden's performance, and gave his top 3 and bottom 3 grades for players on both offense and defense. For all your football betting needs: DCRELOAD at MyBookie for a 50% Deposit Match Want to spruce up your lawn? FastGrowingTrees.com Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it. You don't need it, but you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Cheon Show. Here's Kevin. I'll start off just with a little bit of tough news. Those were the first words Dan Quinn uttered at his press conference, which just ended about 30 minutes ago. His first press conference since his post-game press conference,

following the game Thursday night at Lambo. Of course, since Thursday night and before this afternoon, we all learned that maybe, just maybe, Jaden Daniels suffered a knee injury in the game on Thursday night. Well, when I heard Dan Quinn start off with, you know, we're going to begin with some tough news. For about a second, I thought, oh my God, we're about to get bombshell news. Well, the good news is we didn't get bombshell news on Jaden Daniels,

but we did get news on Jaden Daniels. and some information from Dan Quinn. You'll hear all of it here in the opening segment of the show. The show's presenting sponsor, as always, Window Nation. 86690 Nation, Windonation.com. If you need new windows, mention my name, I promise you. They'll take really good care of you. I do have a guest on the show,

and I'm pretty sure you guys are going to enjoy this. So Steve Suter calls Maryland football games with Johnny Holliday. Steve was a player at Maryland during the early 2000s, Ralph Regions's really good teams. Steve is among the all-time greats as a college football punt returner. He still holds many ACC records and held NCAA records for many, many years. We've had Steve on the show many times to talk Maryland football. He is excellent. He's a really good analyst.

That's not why he's on this show today. He's on the show today for a completely different reason, and it's based on a recommendation. Maryland's head baseball coach is Matt Swope. Matt listens to this show, and I've gotten to know Matt over the last few years. Matt reached out to me and suggested to me that Steve would be excellent at doing what Cooley used to do. Film breakdown of Washington games. Steve is a local. He grew up a Redskins fan.

He watches a lot of football. And guess what? Matt Swope was right, because we've already recorded the Steve portion of the show today. And he's excellent. Now, is he going to replace Cooley as the best film breakdown guy in the history of this show or the show on 980? No one's ever going to be Cooley doing this. But Steve is really, really good. I was so impressed, and I think you guys will be as well.

He'll give us sort of a high-level reaction to the game. Then he's going to grade out the top three. He'll give us the grades on the top three offensive players, the three lowest offensive players, and then the same thing on the defensive side. Plus, he will break down Jaden's game and grade him as well. So that's coming up, starting in the next. segment. I don't know if Steve's going to be able to do this every week because it is a lot of work.

I remember how much work coolly put into it. But Steve seemed to enjoy it. And so hopefully we can get him to do it at least occasionally. I think you guys are going to really like this. And thanks to Matt Swope for the recommendation. All right. So Dan Quinn opens up with, we've got some tough news. And then he goes on, just so you know, not to talk about Jaden specifically in terms of the tough news, but the losses of Austin Echler and Dietrich-wise. And yes, losing both of those gentlemen for the entire season is tough news. The team will miss both of those guys. I'm just glad that the next words out of Quinn's mouth weren't about Jaden Daniels.

Now, he did eventually get to Jaden Daniels. And here's what Dan Quinn said, the information we've been waiting on for a few days now, the information about the health of Jaden Daniels. I know lots of the questions will be about our QB, but I can say here's what I know. And when I say that, it's all really that I know. So he did have an MRI, and he has already begun his return to play process with us. He is truly day-to-day. what does that mean for Sunday?

I can't tell you that now. I'll have more to share on that when we get to Wednesday and practice and what that would look like. But in the return to play, he and any of the guys would have to hit all of the markers for us to get back and do our thing. So we've got a good plan of how to return to play for him and for everybody else. And I'll give you more insights just as soon as I have them.

So I want to make sure I gave you all that I had that he's day-to-day. as we're sitting today, and I'll share more with you on Wednesday when we get together before practice. Dan Quinn, a little while ago, revealing in his opening statement to kick off his press conference that, yes, Jaden Daniels had an MRI, Jaden Daniels is day to day. He did not get specific at any point as to what the knee injury actually was. but there's been a lot of reporting here over the last 15 to 20 minutes. Let me share some of it with you.

Ian Rappaport actually shortly before the press conference reported that Jaden underwent an MRI following the game on Thursday night and was diagnosed with a sprained knee. Not a long-term injury, but Daniel's status this week versus the Raiders is in doubt. Adam Schaefter also shortly before Quinn's press conference said that Commander's quarterback Jaden Daniels has a knee injury that his status for Sunday's game versus the Raiders is in question, but the injury is not believed to be serious. John Kime has written as well. And what John has reported is that it is a knee sprain as well. He's confirmed that and that the MRI did not reveal any major damage.

So that is the best news out of all of this, is that his knee was not severely injured. The MRI revealed no major damage, and we are dealing with a sprained knee at this point. Now, the play where it happened was not the play where he rolled his ankle shortly before the touchdown that made it 27 to 18. It was actually back in the early portion of the fourth quarter.

It was the first play of the fourth quarter. Micah Parsons chased Daniels out of the pocket, flush left, and Daniels, if you recall, was hit by Javon Bullard, number 20, and it sent him into the air. He actually, you know, did a flip, but that hit was directly on Jaden's left knee with the helmet. Now, knee sprains come in all. shapes and sizes. There are very minor knee sprains and then there are higher level graded

knee sprains. I'm not a knee sprain expert, but we all know as sports fans that, you know, there are, you know, severe knee sprains, moderate knee sprains, and less severe knee sprains. It certainly would appear as if this has a chance to keep them out of the game against the Raiders on Sunday. So I would suggest to you that it's not. a minimal knee sprain. If you go back and you watch the play, it's a pretty good hit on his knee. So that's where we are. Jaden Daniels' day-to-day knee sprain. We don't know the extent or the seriousness of the knee sprain, but we do know, based on the reporting, there is a chance he will miss the Raiders game. Of course, they'll begin practice on Wednesday, and we'll get our first

injury report and Marcus Mariotta potentially would be ready to roll on Wednesday for practice if Jaden can't make it. And then, by the way, we'll get the decision, I'm sure, later in the week if he's ruled out or ruled in. He was actually, Dan Quinn was asked about Marcus Mariotta and his confidence in Marioada. And as part of the answer, he'll tell you when he will sort of disclose. who the starting quarterback on Sunday will be.

Yeah, we'll take it all the way to Friday and then have a real good idea of where we're at. If called upon, this is an elite competitor, teammate, player, and so we'll just take it as we go through that one. But our confidence in him is through the roof based on who he is, the teammate, what he's shown to us here, Tom. But I'll have a better sense for that as I go through the week and can give you better insights on that when we get together on Friday.

Dan Quinn talking about Friday being the day where they will have a good idea of who will start against the Raiders Sunday in Landover. And then he had some nice things to say about Marcus Marietta as well. So let's talk Jaden Daniels here for a minute or two. Jaden Daniels now in 22 games has had two injuries, neither of which was super serious. We don't think this is super serious. a sprain knee this year, the rib injury episode from last year. He also, remember, got injured briefly in that week two game against the Giants last year that cost him a player two. He was also on the injury report last week for a wrist injury, but that was obviously nothing serious.

So let me cut to the chase. Jaden Daniels needs to lower the number of hits. that he is taking. He was the most hit quarterback in the NFL last year. And through two weeks, he's taken a lot of hits. I talked about last week, you know, that first zone read where he kept it and he shouldn't have, and then he got to the sideline and got all twisted up on a tackle on the sideline. He took some hits last week, and obviously he took an absolute pounding on Thursday night. You know, much of it in the pocket, you know, after delivering passes. But he's got to avoid hits, and they've got to help him a little bit.

Now, I'm not advocating at all. You're not going to hear me talk about, oh, they need to change the offense. They need to protect this guy. You know, by the way, he's such a great pocket passer. You don't need him to run. That's not true. The best quarterbacks in this part of the 21st century of NFL football are mobile quarterbacks who can also deliver from the pocket.

mobility is massive, extending plays and being creative and having the ability to hurt teams with your legs is huge. He would not be the same player without it. He'd still be a very good player because he is an excellent pocket passer. But no, you're not going to hear me advocate for a new offense that doesn't feature him as a runner. That's never going to happen unless he gets so injured that he can't run and then he just becomes. a pocket passer. I'm not looking forward to that day and hopefully it'll never happen. But, you know, the number one concern I had, and it was the only concern I had when he was coming out of LSU was his frame. And the idea that, you know, it's not Lamar Jackson, it's not

Josh Allen, frame-wise. And he did get banged up here and there at LSU. And now we've seen it twice in basically 22 games in just over a year. And I do think that he's got to do a better job of minimizing the number of times he gets hit hard. And I think, you know, the team can certainly emphasize this. I don't think from a play calling standpoint, it should impact what they do. Although I don't love the quarterback counters. I don't love the quarterback power.

I don't love the quarterback sweep stuff. I think that it almost always ends in a pile. I've said that going back to last year. I absolutely think scrambling. I absolutely think certain designed runs and certain option runs have to be a part of the offense. If they're not a part of your offense in any situation in 2025, you have less offensively that scares a defense. But Jaden is hyper competitive, and he'll take on guys. and he'll take on, you know, piles.

I don't, I think he's got to get coached out of that, and part of that's going to be on him. He's got to slide more. He's got to get out of bounds more. Now, he does that. He does that on occasion, and he does that, you know, little sidestep thing on the sideline

before getting hit. He avoids hits that way. But he's getting hit too much, and his frame, I don't think, can take it. You know, I think if he continues to take some of these shots in the open field as a scrambler, or, you know, some of these quarterback counter quarterback sweep piles, you know, as a zone reed runner when he turns it up the field like he did, I think the Carolina play was that. He's got to be able to get down in the open field. He's got to minimize the number of times he's getting hit.

Or we're going to have this every year. And some years, it's going to be more frequent than others, but we're probably going to have an incident or two every year where he's at risk of missing a game or games. That's not what you want. You want them on the field. You know, Lamar Jackson, you know, has been hurt a lot. He's got a different frame, but he's been hurt a lot and he's missed some games. Now he's a much better pocket passer,

but you're never going to take Lamar's mobility out of the equation, nor should you with Jaden. Josh Allen's just a big man. but can't get hit like this. That hit he took was a big hit on the knee. Does he have a chance to get down? Maybe does he have a chance to avoid it by getting outside and running to the sideline, even if it ends up being a play that doesn't gain as many yards, maybe.

I think this has to be part of the Jaden experience moving forward, or we're going to be year and year out on pins and needles, holding our breath on a lot of these plays. Like there's only so much you can do in the pocket. When you're hanging in there and you're delivering against a heavy rush, you're going to take some big shots. And he took some big shots, wicked shots, on Thursday night. You know, a lot of that was because the pass protection was just got awful.

He was not being kept clean with the exception of a few plays. And I pointed those out on Saturday's show. but I think Jaden's got to, you know, reduce the number of times he gets hit, or we're going to be in this a lot every year, and it's going to hurt the team's opportunities to win the most amount of games and then be ready for the postseason in the best possible, you know, seating and position. Anyway, yeah, sprain knee. We'll find out more as the week goes.

on, and I'm sure there will be some reporting in terms of the degree of the sprain, but I think it certainly feels like there's a decent chance he'll miss the game on Sunday. And again, they're not going to mess around with a knee. The rib thing is a pain tolerance thing. The knee thing is completely different. I trust that the team will protect him. I know I made a big deal last year out of there's no chance they would have put him out there with broken ribs. And by the way, I still don't think they did. But that's not a conversation we need to have right now. Marcus Marietta could be the starting quarterback against, by the way,

one of his former teams on Sunday. How about the NFL yesterday? I mean, the giant cowboy game was nuts. Russell Wilson a week ago looks like he can't play. I called him a backup quarterback now in the NFL at 36 going on 37 years old, and he ends up having a career day. 450 yards passing was the most of his career in an absolute thrilling shootout with the Cowboys in Dallas that the Cowboys won 40 to 37.

So many things about this game stood out. Number one, we may look back on this game and say, Remember that week two thriller between two horrible teams or two very average teams? I don't know that either one of these teams is going to be a team that wins more games than it loses and has a chance at the postseason. They have significant flaws. Dallas clearly does on defense. And I still think the Giants do an offense. But my God, nothing speaks to the week to weak nature of the NFL more than Russell. Wilson last week and Russell Wilson in the giant offense this week. Yes, week one's a major head fake. There's the perfect example. Week one, they can't do anything. Week two, they're one of the most prolific offenses in the NFL. A couple of things, though, about this game. Number one,

the Giants defensively are really talented. I know they gave up 40 in this game, but their pass rush is nasty. Washington has faced two exceptional pass rush teams talent-wise in the first two games of the season. The fact that the Cowboys at the end of the game thought that a 64-yard field goal by Brandon Aubrey was good enough is just nuts. Like they had plenty of time to drop DAC back. They had timeouts to try to get a chunk play to try to get a 50-yarder or try to. get a 45-yarder? No, they handed the ball off to Giovante Williams. And on the last handoff with 10 seconds to go, he got down after three yards. That must have been, hey, if we can get it to the 46, 64 yards is like a good spot. That's insane that the NFL is now,

you know, at that point where 64-yard field goals are the goal. Now, Brandon Aubrey is special. But we've had more 55-yard-plus field goals here in the first two weeks than we've had, and I think it's something like eight or nine years. You know, I've talked about this, but they're kicking with essentially a juiced ball. These balls were given to the teams in training camp, and they've had all of this time to break them in and practice with them. The rule was 60 minutes before the game started, and before that, the rule was 30 minutes before the game started. So, you're seeing a juiced up ball this year. But it's crazy that teams, you know, like Dallas,

only have to get to the 50-yard line, essentially, before they are, you know, somewhat in field goal range. Brandon Aubrey is special. What a kick that was. How good is Malik neighbors? You know, I remember talking about him last year, and some of you guys were like, he's all right.

I'm like, he had 109 catches as a rookie with no quarterbacks. This guy's the next. great one. If he isn't there already, I mean, some of the catches he made yesterday, including that fourth down bomb from Russell Wilson. He's really, really good. Oh, here's another thing from that game. First overtime game of the year. And with the new overtime rules, the Giants decided to kick off. And I think that's going to be the decision. We talked about that during the offseason. It's the college situation. You want to know what you need when you get the ball. And if you need something like points, you'll have four downs rather than three.

So really the advantage is to kick off now in overtime. The only thing that's a little bit scary is just that it's a 10 minute overtime and that a team could take, you know, seven, eight minutes score a touchdown and leave you with less than two, you know, to go get a touchdown yourself. But for the most part, you're going to see teams do what the Giants did. which is go on defense first. Yeah, Joe Burrow out for the season with the turf toe injury. Three months should be the season.

And J.J. McCarthy, after just an absolute horrific performance last night, turns out he is hurt with a high ankle sprain and he could miss two to four weeks. Falcons looked really good. And I will say this right now. Bejohn Robinson's my favorite running back. of all of the great running backs. There is a style to his running that is so smooth. I don't think anybody cuts like he does.

I don't think anybody has the vision. Seguan Berkeley was actually on that broadcast last night saying that Bejohn Robinson is the best back in the NFL, even more so than him. I thought that was interesting. He had 143 yards rushing. Tyler Algier, who's great, had 76. The Falcons are dangerous, man.

We get them in two weeks. They have a pass rush now. They banged around J.J. McCarthy. He took six sacks in the game. He had a 6.2 QBR. Now, maybe the ankle was a big factor in that. He's played one good quarter. No way can you have a definitive conclusion on J.J. McCarthy at this point in his career.

He's two games into it. I mean, give me a break. You know, like Mack Jones considered, you know, washed up. And he had a great game for the 49ers yesterday. and their win over the Saints. Daniel Jones is now 2-0, and the Colts haven't punted the first two weeks of this season. Yeah, the Lions, you know, how good is Green Bay's defense? Well, they couldn't do anything against Green Bay's defense.

Detroit couldn't. And yesterday, they put up 500-plus yards and 52 on the Bears. The points were all, you know, like the most we've seen in years. over the weekend on Sunday, even going back to Thursday night, 27 and 18, not high scoring, but the overs are like 10 and 3 on the weekend with two games tonight. I gave you two overs, Dallas Giants, Patriots, and Dolphins. How about in that Pat's Dolphins game, Antonio Gibson with a 90-yard kickoff return? Crazy play in the Pittsburgh game with the new kickoff rules.

Caleb Johnson, their rookie running back from Iowa, thought it was the college rule, hit inside the landing zone, went into the end zone. He never turned around to go back and get it, and Seattle fell on it for a game-changing touchdown. And then Chiefs Eagles, the marquee game of the weekend, the marquee game of the early NFL season schedule. Rematches Super Bowl 59 at Arrowhead, the Chiefs, the most watched team in the NFL now, even more so than the Cowboys, according to schedule maker Mike North when he was on with us in this spring. won the game 20 to 17. They dominated the line of scrimmages, both sides of the ball. The final score was not what the Super Bowl was, but I'll tell you what, Kansas City's struggles against

Philadelphia's defense in this game yesterday. It was somewhat reminiscent of Super Bowl 59. So I'm going to end this opening segment with this. Most of you know this, if you've been listening to me for a while, I hate the tush push. I hate the brotherly. shove. I think it's aesthetically unpleasing. It looks like rugby. It looks like a scrum. That's not the reason to abolish it. I've got other reasons. I've mentioned them in the past. But in yesterday's game, you know, the game of the weekend, I just can't believe that NFL executives watched six of these plays run in what was such a heavyweight matchup and such a big time game for them. and loved it. There's just no way. You turn on your TV for Chiefs Eagles in that 425 window football,

week two, people are pumped up, and Philly's going to run the tush push six times in the game. I just can't imagine that anybody's thrilled with it, and I can't imagine that they're not saying, how did we not get two extra votes in the spring to abolish this thing? I want to make it very clear. I'm not against this because it's Philadelphia, a division rival. If the Carolina Panthers were the team doing this, I would

hate it as much and I would give reasons for hating it and wanting it abolished in the same way with the same level of passion. Look, it's the Philadelphia fanbases we know, super obnoxious and, you know, the whole thing with

Siriani and Dom and, you know, the O line and the, you know, Constantine, cheating on this play with false starts. It looks like they're coaching it up is what Rex Ryan said earlier this morning. You know, it adds, I guess, an extra layer of, you know, emotion to it. But no, I would hate this thing almost as much, if not exactly the same amount if it was somebody else. So there are multiple reasons. Number one, I don't like the way it looks aesthetically.

It doesn't look like football to me. But that's really not the, you know, the key reason. Number two is important. The play is not officiated properly. There are false starts and or off sides, both by the offense and the defense, on a lot of these plays. And for some unknown reason, they're not officiating this play. They're letting anything go.

It may be because it's hard for them to see based on the formation. But you've got infractions on a lot of these plays, and they're not being called. And some would say, well, you know, if they would just, you know, start officiating this play, it'd be fine. It still wouldn't be fine because for me it's also, and I tweeted this out and I'll explain what I mean, it's a pace of play thing. I understand that pace of play doesn't mean that the game is taking longer to play. Like the clock is going slower. No, it's not that. I would equate it and it's not apples to apples. I understand that. to, you know, when a pitcher back in the day

trying to hold a runner on first would throw over there five, six, seven times, it gets to the point where it's like, oh, God, I can't watch this anymore. And it slows the pace of the game. Now, that actually would have had time to the game, understood, which is why they legislated it out. But it's the same reaction I have, 40 seconds on a play clock,

and you're going to go back-to-back tush-pushes where I got to take a minute 20 of what should have been game action and watch this play, which is slow and plotting and excruciating to watch. It works. Give Philly a lot of credit. It definitely works. But when I talk about, and I've talked about it before and I tweeted this out yesterday and several people were like, it doesn't change the clock at all.

I get that. I understand that. But it slows the game down from a watching. standpoint. It's like the NFL got rid of the, you know, the short 20-yard PAT because it was such a given and it was a play in which people got up and they went to, you know, the bathroom or they went into their, you know, kitchens to get more food. They wanted the play to be at least slightly interesting. So they moved it back. The kickoff, obviously, was an uneventful play. They wanted to change it. This is an uneventful play. It's a foregone conclusion that it's going to be a

one to one and a half or two-yard game. And that defenses can't stop it and referees won't legislate it. And now instead of seeing a real football play or two of them in a row, we got to watch that. That's what I mean by it kind of just brings the game to a little bit of a halt. The other thing, and I've mentioned this many times, I wonder if the Eagles have considered this. I wonder if anybody's done any sort of study on this.

I think they're losing a lot of yardage by running this play. Third and two, third and one, fourth and one. These are big explosive play opportunities. You know, the Eagles are interesting to watch because they aren't always super explosive offensively, even with the talent they have. You know, they can be a little bit plotting to watch at times, but their defense is great, and when their offense needs to be great and explosive, it is. I give them credit for that.

But how many yards have they given up by running these plays? Like in six plays yesterday, of third and two, third and one, fourth and one, et cetera, I mean, how many of those with the best offensive line of football with Seekwan Barclay, with a quarterback who's dual threat, with receivers who are outstanding, how many times have we seen that play bust on a run? How many times have we seen play action lead to a big, big play? Well, the Eagles are eliminating the big play explosive opportunity for, I get it, for the guarantee of a first and 10 in maintaining possession. I understand that that's the give.

Are you going to give up a guaranteed first and 10 for the possibility of a big home run play? I'm just saying in making the observation that the Eagles, for six of those plays that probably equaled what, seven, eight, nine yards of offense, they would have had probably at least another 50 to 75 yards of offense running those plays. Because one of the plays would have been a massive play. One of the plays would have been a reasonable sized play. And the other plays would have gotten, you know, the first down and maybe one negative play where they don't get it.

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me right now, one of the greatest punt returners in college football history, and he does a great job calling Maryland football games on the Maryland Football Radio Network with the legend, Johnny Holliday. Steve Suter is joining me, not to talk Terps football, and they beat Towson on Saturday to go 3 and O. They're at Wisconsin this coming weekend. There are seven and a half point underdog. But he's on with me because, as I mentioned in the open, I had a record. recommendation from the head baseball coach Matt Swope at Maryland that Steve would be excellent doing film breakdown of Skins games. Steve grew up a Skins fan and watches NFL football. And so let's take a shot at this thing. So let's start with. And I know you have graded out every player, every play, and you're going to give me, you know, a

Jaden breakdown from the game, and you're going to give me the three highest and the three lowest-graded players on offense and defense. But let's just start with kind of your overall reaction to the game on Thursday night, the 27 to 18 loss at Lambo against the Packers. Yeah, so watching it on the broadcast first, obviously, you get those normal impressions that you're watching the game. And I would say you either validate those watching the all-22, or sometimes that can change your mind. So I would say watch on the broadcasts. They just looked like they were outmatched Washington in all phases,

offensively, defensively, and coaching. I had some question marks going in. I prepared, obviously, I watched the Giants game. Then I watched the Packers play the Lions. And what I got off of that was, wow, the Giants were very vanilla on defense. And I'm talking very vanilla. You saw cover three or you saw a man coverage, and it was easy and obvious. and there was no, you know, extracurricular stuff in the secondary

where they're making disguises and being extravagant and that nature. And so from that standpoint, they got probably 75% man coverage from the giant, very vanilla. Then I watched the Packers versus the Lions, total opposite, a lot of zone and very detailed in the back end, secondary and very extravagant, showing a lot of different shells. If they looked like they were in cover three, they weren't going to end up in cover three. it was a lot of rolling into different coverages. My thoughts were, too, going into the game. Is that because they're doing that because Jared Golf is a pocket pass,

and they're trying to make that picture at the back end different on the post snap? And is the Giants, conversely, being very vanilla on defense because they're worried about keeping Jaden in the pocket? So those are things that were trying to pay attention to watching the game. Now, what happened was what the Lions did, excuse me, what the Packers did to the Lions. They were very creative at the back end. They gave Jane and Daniels a lot of different pictures and everybody on offense. A lot of zone, almost no man coverage. A couple of times they did.

They brought pressure. They were successful. So now then you go into the All-22, I was very disappointed, I think, from the coaches' standpoint, Clint Kingsbury just didn't seem prepared in my opinion because it was obvious what type of coverages they were going to run watching the line cell. I'm not saying it's easy to decode the coverage live during the game. But you should have gone into that game if I'm Cliff Kingsbury with 10 to 12 zone beaters for cover two and for cover three, because that's what you were going to see from the Packers. And then it was up to Jaden and the offense to the Cypherom.

So they weren't prepared. I don't think so. The game plan wasn't good offensively. Defensively, they were very stale. They ran a lot of man coverage and way too easy to decipher or toward love and the Packers. you could see during the game they started bringing a lot of motion from the receivers and why excuse me in the corners you know laddimore and the other guys from Washington or following them across the formation well that's an easy tell that you're in

man coverage and once they were given that look to joy and love it was easy pickings so you there's a lot of guys running open and it's because the matchups of man coverage the secondary of the commanders they weren't switching correctly sometimes they would switch or what we were called banjo. So one guy's going to take the outside guy, the other guy's going to take the inside guy. Sometimes they tried to stay locked in on their guy. But the communication on the back end wasn't good. So they were messing that up occasionally.

And when they were, Jordan Love would make them pay. What I took out from watching the all 22, Jordan Love is top tier quarterback. Every mistake that the commander's made on defense, and in particular one person or two who made a mistake each play, Jordan Love found it and capitalized on it. A lot of the big plays, the craft were because of the secondary. were miscommunicating and those little mistakes,

Jordan Love found them and took care of them. So I know that's a long-witted intro. No. But those were my initial thought. No, it was great. It actually was really interesting. I think I'm curious first to ask you about the offense of side of the ball where you talked about Detroit basically, you know,

faced a Green Bay team that was heavy zone, and Cliff Kingsbury should have had more zone beaters. against cover two and cover three in particular. How much of that was obvious that they weren't running stuff to beat zone versus the pass rush was very effective and they weren't able to get to it? So, yeah, it's really easy for the defensive coordinator for the Packers right now. Jeff Hart, I think it's halfway. He's getting pressure without bringing pressure.

And the best defense is every year in any level of football are the defense that could get pressure with the front four and they can drop seven in coverage. So he has that luxury and I think it's probably going to be his game plan for the entire season is to call his base defense. And I say base in air quotes because it's very complex in the back end. But up front, it's only usually four people coming. And if he can continue all year going into each game, getting pressure with his front four, then there's no reason to change every third down or so.

They'll switch it up and he's going to bring some pressure because you're not expecting it because you're getting zoned. So he's going to have that luxury. the games where he's not getting pressure with the front four, he's not to change up. So what's successful for him is early on, he's falling these zone plays, and he's having the secondary change and role coverage, and his front four is getting pressure. So, I mean, he doesn't even have to think, right? His game plan is working today, the course, because Jaden Daniels isn't going to have enough

time. So I'll use the specific. They had this one coverage. It's really, really intricate. It looks like cover three. You got a deep middle safety, and they ran this against. the lines, I highlighted it because I even said there's no way that anybody can read this coverage correctly. It's just so intricate. Well, the deep middle third safety on the snap of the ball,

he bolts down and becomes essentially a linebacker, and he's playing a curl zone there. And the two corners, do you think are playing deep third, they turn into the two safeties, and they play the cover two safety. And so now they still have a cover two shell, but they're doing it from a really odd look. And you're not, I just think it's really difficult to read. So they did it against the lines. It was successful. It gave golf the problems. They never completely completed.

The pass, well, they did it on the first third down against Washington. So it turned out to be any time it was like third and eight or long, they were calling this play. So they did the first third down, and Jaden and them couldn't decipher it. They didn't have a play to beat it. They got pressure from the front floor. And so you get an incomplete pass and you got to punt football. The second possession, third and seven or long again, they were in the same inverted cover two, the same look. you would have think Kingsbury would call a play to think it's coming and have a beater for it.

They didn't. That's another three and out. So they didn't have an answer for that coverage. One way to attack it because essentially it's a cover two is you need to, you can either attack it with depth, like you stretch it. We're taking four verticals or we're taking four people deep and we're going to try to isolate those safeties that have to try to cover four. But to do that, you need time for those routes to develop. Right. them. What, didn't they have? The commanders, they didn't have the time.

The front fours getting pressure. You know, it wasn't, you don't need a rocket science for me to tell you, you know, Michael Parsons was causing problems every time he was on the field and everywhere he lined up. He was essentially, if not beating the commander's offensive line, he was getting pressure. So just not prepare from that standpoint. And then I, that type of thing just weighs on a quarterback. And I think during the course of the game, Jaden started just losing trust in his read. using trust, reading the defense down the field, and then his play clock, his pocket clock was getting

shorter and shorter because he didn't trust the offensive line and half protection. All those things add up, and then you go to an offense that's not effective and your quarterback's not reading the field correctly, and if he has a window, if he gets usually only one guy game and he just couldn't find him. And particularly the second possession I want to say it was in the second play, commanders go max protection. They run a deep comeback to to Terry. A 15 to 8-yard comeback.

And they're a max protection. There's only two people going on the route. So this ball is supposed to go to Terry. And Terry's open. And Jaden's looking at him. And for whatever reason, just dumps it off to Echler on a checkdown. He just gives up on the play.

So that right away was like, oh, man, Jaden, he's not seen the field right. because this play was called to go there. We are blocking everybody to make sure we can get protection to send the ball over there, and you still didn't throw it, and he was open. That's a red flag. So you could just tell from that point on he wasn't comfortable in the pocket, didn't trust the plays. I agree with them.

I didn't like the route concept that I saw for most of the game, just weren't in positions to be successful. And then the players on the outside, I mean, I'll be hard on the perimeter guys you know, Zach Ertz, he looks rough out there at this age and he's been a great player for so long but he just, I know he was the leading receiver too and it's funny for me to say that, but

other than the touchdown where he looked a little spry on his cut right after he caught the ball and got some yak and got the end zone, not really an option for most of the game for Jaden. Terry, not really an option for him. Most of the game wasn't winning on man coverage. The zone route he was on was either like a five-yard curl or he was running a deep corner and he just

isn't getting down the field to stretch it. So really a perfect storm for the Camar's on offense, and then the offensive line didn't give him any help. We didn't get into that specifically, but Connerly was, he had a rough night. He almost 80, I would say 80% of the time, almost every time Michael lined up on him, he beat him. Even if he didn't make the play, he was getting beat on his up and under routinely

throughout the night. Gary got him on it as well. when they tried to help them with chips, they didn't work. Sometimes they chipped them and made it worse, or Mike was splitting the double team anyway. Tunzel had a rough time on the edge too as well. You know, we can get, those are my two lowest-graded players on offense. It was Connerly by far, and then Tunzel was second there.

Offensively, just didn't give him time. You can't let four-man rushes to beat you. If that's the case, you're not going to win. You got to be in. You've got to be able to block against more men, Rush. We'll get to the grades in the next segment. But I have to ask you, why didn't Cliff Kingsbury even attempt to run the football? With their rookie running back, Kroski Merritt, his nickname, he wants to be called Bill, Kroski Merritt.

Why didn't they try to run the football more? I could answer that question because it didn't make sense to me. I wrote down, and I even, I was texting a buddy of mine along watching the game loud, and said, why has it, they did not call a draw for Daniels until the last play the third quarter. And maybe you just take him for granted that Jaden is going to get you some rushing yards as a quarterback when he scrambles. And you count those as, you know, running plays for your quarterback. But that wasn't the case. And I was disappointed when you're struggling to move to football.

And you've got a four-man rush. a draw is a good call, a quarterback draw, especially with Jayden Daniels, a guy can't run, right? Because you're going to have the linemen, excuse me, the linebackers are already bailing. You know they're not blitzing because you're only to have the four-down linemen, and two of those guys are going to be able to get up to the second level. Utilize Jaden Daniels in the run game. Or you can call a draw as well and hand it off the bill, like you mentioned. The drawls work against those coverages when you have guys all line up on the line of scrimmage

to try and have fake you out like we're bringing pressure and then everybody paying. and we're only bringing four, what's an easier job to get to the second level, so don't make the runs obvious and you're in your 12, 13 personnel and you're trying to load the box in it, and you're doing that zone read stuff. They didn't do the zone read effective either, in my opinion.

Every person that they left unblocked for the Packers' defense, when they left them unblocked, made the play. So the first zone read, they left Van Dice or Van Dice, they left him to be the zone read. yeah, he just knifed down and tackles that. He didn't care about Jaden pulling the ball at all because it probably wasn't his responsibility.

They got a linebacker ready for him. They don't block Gary. And next time they do a zone reading, comes down the line and makes the tackle. And there's another occasion. They're doing a zone read. They unblocked the defender, and they make the play. So you need a better line.

The Packers' defense didn't respect Jaden Daniels as a runner for this game. And it could have been their game plan going in, saying, straight up like he's a normal quarterback that can't scramble and if he burns us maybe once or twice then we might make an adjustment but he never did so they didn't have to

make any adjustment so it's again another easy game for Jeff happily to call because the commander's in doing any dynamic to make him have to go outside of what he wanted to do you know you just brought up something that I talked about after

the game and it's funny because I think he had some issues with this last week against the Giants and a couple of times last year. It's been very hard to find anything super critical, you know, constructively critical on Jaden over his first, you know, 22 NFL games. But the zone read they ran early in the first quarter where, as you said, N crashed down, didn't play Jaden at all. I thought it was very obvious that Jaden made the wrong decision. You got to pull that on that play, right? Agreed. Agreed. Yeah. So I write down

you know, that's my note. I watch the play and you say he's got to pull that, but I'm not in the huddle. You assume, and you assume it was a zone read, but that's not always, and sometimes it is always a handoff. Right.

He's not reading that. But, and I only say that because I'm pretty sure with Zach Erch, who was to the left, who was blocking. So if he pulled it, Zachert was there to block the DN,

not Venn, but the other DNS, but the other DN. So that's why I thought it's ZonRee, because he still has a blocker out. there for in case he pulled it. So I agree. That was a pool all the way. Ben Ness didn't care about Jaden. And I think that's, again, that just reiterated my thought, right?

That was their game plan going in and the Packers. We're not going to respect him as a runner until he beat us. So yes, Jaden probably made the mistake there, should have pulled, and maybe they just stopped calling it as a result. Yeah, if you watch the giant game last week, he pulled it when the end played him. And, you know, I asked Jay Gruden about this when I had him on on Friday and put the show out Saturday. And Jay said, look, it's not the easiest thing in the world, you know. You know, Zone reads.

And, you know, sometimes you can get fooled into and, you know, the whole thing. But both of these, to me, the one that he kept a week ago against the Giants and the one he gave to Eckler, if they were zone read calls rather than not. as you described, Coolees mentioned that to me many times in the past. Sometimes it looks like read option, but it isn't. But if it was, because the one to Echler, I'm looking at it right now, Jaden, if it's a read option and he reads the end and he keeps it, this is a big gain more likely than not.

This is 10 yards and out of bounds worst case and maybe more if he turns it upfield. Yeah, and it could be a confidence thing. Obviously, I haven't studied Jaden like you have or the other fans. I didn't watch him breaking down his film last year, so I'm not sure how well he did or didn't do in Zode Reed's last season, but maybe it's a case where he's not very good at it, that that could be a thing, and he just gets lucky sometimes when he pulls it and it works out, or he gets lucky when he gives it.

And if put yourself in a young quarterback's shoes, and you're running a zone read, who's, which play do you look more foolish on? You look more foolish on the one where you pull it and you get tackled right away and you should have gave it. You don't look that foolish when you give it and you should have pulled it because most people don't realize you should have kept it.

Yeah. So you could say maybe that's a little that he's leaning on just being young and nervous there in that moment and he doesn't want to make the wrong decision look like a fool so he just hands it off. And worst case, you're going to get one yard. And you're going to say, all right, that just didn't work. Let's try another.

play. I don't look like an idiot and I get tackled for a five-yard loss because I pulled it. I mean, that could be a thing, and that could be Kingsbury. They don't have the trust in them and doing more of those surveys. But I think people that have, and I say people, I think teams that have quarterbacks that can run

rely on it too much as a crutch for their run game to try to cheat and get away with not blocking people because they think that the quarterback is going to quote-unquote be a blocker even though he doesn't touch anybody, right? You have to respect them as a runner.

Yeah. So we're going to not block Gary on the end here, and we're going to try to get away with the double team on the three technique up to the backside linebacker because we hope Gary or we hope Micah doesn't care about us hand in the football, and they try to watch and pay attention to Daniel. Yeah. But defenses have caught on to that, and they make plays for this, and they'll say if you're on blocked, you unblocked, you unknit down hard and you're going to

make the tap on the running back. And we're going to send that backside linebacker that they think they can cut off. during the run game and we're going to have him loop around and he's going to be the one controlling the quarterback. So defense's scheme that too. I just sometimes lining up and accounting for a body on a body is the way you got to go and that doesn't look and maybe the trade with Brian Romzen doesn't do it but doesn't look like there's any aspect of power football with the commanders right now in the run game. Right. I mean even your suggestion to run draws,

whether they be QB draws or just draws to the running back. That's not power football. Not at all. Daniels, in my opinion, should have had seven carries in the half-time or maybe by the end of the third quarter. Run a couple quarterback draws. I would have ran a quarterback power to let him – I know it's Echler or you put in Bill like you mentioned

and let him leap block and let's use Daniels as the runner. Now we're running a power run. You've got to figure out a way to start the run game and move the footballer. I can tell this is going to be. fun with you because you know this shit. So I can't stand quarterback counter or quarterback power. And let me just tell you why. And by the way, you're not wrong. I mean 11 11 on 11 in the run game is advantage offense. I think everybody's

come to understand that over the years. But it seems like quarterback counter or quarterback power, those plays end in piles in the middle of the field. Whereas with Zone Reed, he's got the ability to get down or get to the sideline. There are fewer players. You know, like Cam Newton ran quarterback power, quarterback counter all the time. Jalen Hertz, they run it a lot. Jaden's got a different frame.

That's what concerns me. Cliff does run a lot of those plays. Not a lot of them, but they had a quarterback counter last week against the Giants. That's my concern about those plays is just keeping it. him healthy and those plays always seem to end up in piles. Yeah, I don't disagree with you there. I would 100% prefer the quarterback draw with Daniels. That would be my first call for sure.

And I come out four or five wide or maybe I don't like the obvious one where you come out four wide and motion they're running back out to the, you know, the sideline. And it's an empty formation. It's a tell. It's a tell, right? Yeah. Yeah. I'm not doing that one, right?

I'm just, maybe I even stay in, because you have Zach or two, kind of like your receiver too, so you can stay in 12 personnel even. Yeah, I feel like that. 12 personnel, right, too, tight ends, but maybe they're split out, and then you motion one into the back field. So it kind of looks like a strong formation, and then you run the draw, a quarterback draw. You got to utilize, I mean, Thursday night, and maybe every night, you could argue, like, Debo, he's athletic, and maybe you're, like, almost every night, Jayden's your most athletic player on the field. and if you can't move the football

because you can't decipher these coverages and maybe Jaden's mental game isn't a highlight tonight and I'm saying Thursday night well then let's utilize this other asset and let's use his legs and we've got to figure out way to move football and I don't think I've ever

even recommended before running running back draws before but watching this film and the linebackers are all in coverage and zone coverage and the safeties are in cover two or the corners are bailing going in the cover too. I mean, I think it would have been effective.

And then ironically, you saw one draw, and it was the Echler, and I want to say it was in the fourth quarter, and it got six yards. And I know it's a little late, but it was the same principle. It wasn't like the Packers changed the defense on that play. It was the same defense they'd been seeing all night. So you just sort of thought maybe there's a different way to move to football. We're going to get to your grades, and you'll give Jaden a grade and break it down even more. but just one other thing on him.

In his 21 previous games, I can't remember feeling like I did Thursday night in that he wasn't willing to kind of create and extend as much as he always has on past plays. And then when he did take off, there weren't obvious lanes and that the defense was almost equally as fast. Like, how good was the Green Bay defense athletically?

Yeah, they're good, and they're going to be good all year. I mean, think about what the line just did last week, what they put 50 on the Bears. Yeah. And the Packard, they couldn't do nothing like that against the Packard's week one. And it's the back end and a compliment. This is a complimentary defense. This is very athletic up front with Kerry and Micah.

athletic up front. So they're going to rush the path. You can move Michael around. And that four-man rush, if it's not getting home, it's still getting pressure or it's changed the pocket. Like Connerley kept getting beat on and up and under. He just kept kick sliding deep, and then Mike or Gary would come up underneath him.

And that just blows the pocket up because the D.Ns is coming right in your peripheral. Like, actually not in your peripheral. Now he's coming right in your face if you're the QB. And in the back end, the corners have the ability to play zone coverage, which I think every corner would love having the ability to play zone coverage and know that you're going to get pressure on the quarterback.

Now, my eyes on QB, I can jump routes. I can squad. The Packers did a lot of squad in their corners sat because they weren't threatened. They're not threatened by a deep ball. They don't think, A, that you're going to have enough time to throw it because the pressure is going to get there. Or B, I think they're confident in their ability to run with any of the receivers for the commanders. Right.

Debo's good, but Debo's not really. running by you. And Perry looks like he's running a four, seven. He looked terrible out there. So he's not running by you. Noah Brown's not running by you. And Lane's not running by you. And McCaffrey's not running by you. So you're squatting at 10. If it's third and 11, I'm sitting at 10. And I'm going to sit on this curl. I'm going to sit on this dig. And until you prove that you can blow by me. But that wasn't the case. So the Packers get their secondary is going to have a great time this year because they're going to get people to not read their coverage, right? Like I've mentioned, very exotic in the back end, and they're going to get away with some quarterback's

strong balls. They should. They picked golf on it. The inverted cover two that I'm talking about, that was, I circled 10 times, and I just couldn't wait to see how Washington was going to handle it. They picked off Derek golf with it. That's free safety that I mentioned, thought he was a free safety. He came down, and he picked off a past six yards from the line of scrimmage, and you thought

he was a cover three safety. So it's very tricky. Well, Washington just didn't have an answer for it. and then Jayden just lost his confidence, in my opinion. Like he didn't even want to start reading down the field deep to short. He just wanted to reach short. He wasn't even given a look to any deep routes because he didn't trust it. You know, one more quick question.

Then we'll break and we'll get to your grades and let you break down Jaden even more. And that is, do you think the short turnaround Sunday to Thursday and the ability to to basically be prepared for everything the opponent's going to do? Do you think that had something to do with it? I don't. I think Washington got what they saw against the Lions. I don't think the Packers did anything crazy or anything different. So if you watch the film of the Lions game versus the Packers,

then that's really all you got to go on. They don't have one game. That's a game fan for that shirt. You want to throw in some wrinkles because every good coach has some wrinkles. Sure, Kingsbury. Have that in your back pocket clip, whatever you want. What do you think you're, oh, I'm going to get lucky here, catch me in-man coverage, and I'm going to call the right play, and we're going to take a shot.

Sure, have that on your play sheet, right? But you should have gone into this game having your 10 best cover two beaters and your 10 best cover three beaters. And that you got that coverage 85% of the game. So it should have been, I say should have been, it's hard to call plays when your front five are given pressure like they were up against four-man rush, but you should have had answers. Try to stretch them horizontally, right?

So you can stretch the team horizontally or vertically. So if you want to run five routes that all go route six yards and you just easily space out the six yards all the way across the field, well, that's hard for four defenders to cover and then Jayden's got to pick the right one. Or you can try to stretch them vertically. You send more guys vertical if you think you're going to be a cover two, then you got four on two in the best. back in, but you need time to do that.

And I just didn't see any of those route concepts that look like there was literally one play. I highlighted and he threw it to No Brown. It was a six-yard. We would have called it a spot route where he runs. It's not even a slant and it's not a curl. It's like a combination of a curl. And Zachers goes down to flat and there's a triangle of receivers, okay, if that makes

sense. Your route is supposed to end so everybody looks like they're in a triangle. So you're going to put a defender in the bind. what was like Jaden's only decisive read of the night. Spot round came for Noah, the linebacker goes out to the flats, and he hits Noah really quick for the spot round, and then Noah turns out, I think he gets the first down. But that was like the only decisive read that I saw all night,

and then they should have had 10 of those plays or concepts like that, and they weren't calling them. Not in my opinion, they weren't. All right, let's take a break. We'll come back. We'll talk Jaden and the offense more specifically. You've got grades, and then we'll do defense. But this is really good stuff.

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So they'd be about a six-point favorite, six-and-a-half-point favorite if he plays more like a one-point favorite or even a pick-em game if he doesn't play. But MyBooky, great offer out there for all of you, 50% cash bonus, whether you are a new customer or a current customer. Go to the Kevin Sheehan Show.com slash my bookie and type in to the promo code section. DC Reload. All right, we continue with Steve Suter. Good stuff so far. So let's get to Jaden in more detail. What do

you have on him and what kind of grade did you end up giving him? Sure. Yeah, so Jaden had his struggles, but I think he was putting a tough spot. You almost started feeling bad for him there as I'm watching the All-22, as I'm watching round concepts that I'm not happy

with. I see lineman, one, it seemed like each different lineman took turns messing up their block and allowed pressure to show up in his face. Not a ton like point-blake things that I could say this is all on Jason other than a couple plays. One was the max protection where they tried to hit Terry on a 15-yard comeback. It's there. It's open. It's the number one read. There's no pressure in his face. And he's looking at Terry. And for whatever reason, he just comes off of it and checks it down. So that was a chance for a first down, and they don't get it because of it. Let me interrupt right there, because it's so interesting because I literally, after I watched

some of the All-22, I found that play early on. And the first thing I thought of was, well, it wasn't exclusively zone all night. And I think it was, I think he had Debo on the checkdown. At least that was in my notes on it. And I don't know why he turned down Terry. It was the best route Terry ran all night. A whole night, exactly, yeah. The only thing that I can think of, as I watched the clip several times, is the attacker defender that is in the checkdown area slips, and he does, like, touch the ground. So I don't know if Jaden sees it out of the corner of his eye goes, oh, wait a minute, my checkdown might go for 40 now because this guy fell out. But it wasn't like an egregious fall down.

The guy got right back up, and he made a tag on it didn't go anywhere. But that, if I was trying to find an outlet and a reason for why he went through it, that was the other thing I could come up with. Got it. Because it's not a protection thing and it's not a bad route thing. And it's the number one read. Yeah. Okay.

And you're looking at it. So, yeah, a blund on his part. We talked about the zone read. I think he should have pulled the first one because it looks like blocking set up to the left as well. So he didn't make that correct assumption there. Then I got, it's got a bunch of a couple, like minus one. like half a point. You're not, you did it, you did the play kind of right, but, uh, you should have had a better outcome. And it's, and there's, there's a handful of those, hard to pull out

exactly some of the, oh, I know, you know the one time he took a shot for Terry in the slot. It was third in five or third and eight. And he clearly, Jaden predetermines this read and he's got press coverage. He's got Zach Ertz was on the outside. So Zach Earch is the number one. And then Terry's number two in the slot. And they, run a slot fade with Terry and Zach Urch just runs a five-yard in. Well, Ertz gets a little bit of the benefit of the pick route from Terry inside, outside releasing and running his go on the slot fade. Ertz is wide open.

It's an easy pitch and catch for Jaden to hit Ertz, move to chains. It's third and five. We got a first down. Oh, yeah. But this time right now. Yeah. Yeah, he predetermines this. He predetermines this pre-snap that he's like going to give Terry a chance to win in man

coverage here on press. And Terry doesn't win. He doesn't get close to winning, but he predeterminate it because you can't tell me that he takes a snap and he reads it because Zachers Cummins wide open and it's almost a built-in pick. So, you know, you got to downgrade him for that because that was a pre-snap read.

It didn't take a read post-snap so that you can't have that. Yeah. You get downgrade for that. And then there's like, I mean, watching the game, I don't have any like let's say like zero is a baseline. you did what you're supposed to do.

And as a professional in that position, I don't have any where, like I gave him a one, where he did something out of ordinary, out of character that you've come accustomed to watching him do where the pocket broke down and then he still scrambled for 20. Like that's a big play. He didn't have any of those opportunities. He didn't get that. He didn't make that big play. He didn't have any really big throws.

I mean, if you think of the game, I mean, what was his best pass? maybe his best throw was to Noah Brown when he dropped it on the sideline for a third and eight, maybe that's his best ball. And that's not a crazy ball. That's a NFL quarterback throwing a 15-yard out. And he can do that, but he puts it on

the sideline because he puts it right where it's supposed to be. That's his best ball the night. They don't have any times. Nothing where you're thinking, man, that window was crazy small and he fitted in there. Didn't have any of those plays. Mainly because he didn't take any of those chances. So one thing that's good

been bad of his play and a young quarterback and somebody that's lost confidence, which I thought watching the game. It just looks like he lost confidence. His confidence in breeding down the field. And so a good thing, though, is he didn't throw any interceptions. He didn't get frustrated to the point where he's like, ah, shit, I'm just going to, you know, let's just chuck it here because I'm frustrated, let's take a shot. So he didn't do any of that. So he kept Washington's, you know, quote-unquote, still in the game because he wasn't turning the ball over. Frustrating to watch on both sides, you're not taking any chances. But I said this earlier, he didn't really have a lot of guys open.

They just, the Washington specialists, we'll call him the receiving court, just nobody really dynamic running routes. Now, Debo made plays and does what Debo does, and that's what makes him so good. but he's not a lineup one-on-one. I'm going to shake a corner and get 12 yards every time. He'll beat him in coverage a couple times short, but his advantage is what he does after the catch and it creates ways you can get him to football without relying on him being a number one corner.

So from that aspect, Jaden was just Jaden, a pedestrian version. Actually, you know what? I mean, I think about it. This is his highest grade, his highest play that I grade is was a two-point play. At that time, he did, he did extend, he did make something

happen when it was. So on that two-point play, Cliff thought he was going to get manned coverage. The play previously on the touchdown, Packers ran cover zero. So down the goal line, they run cover zero, all-out blitz. Connerley and Tunzel both block it wrong.

And Jaden blown up. But Jaden gets the ball off the deep of it. It makes a great catch. Great yak after to get in. So a highlight play for them, both Jaden and Debo play after. You think now, if I put myself in Cliff's brain, he thinks he's getting manned coverage again because he just got down the goal line.

So he calls a man coverage beater, and they're in zone again. So he runs, it's like a double cross. They're trying to bring three receivers from one side. Like McCaffrey, I think Deboe on the left, and it maybe even hurts, and they're running from left to right, and they're trying to drag a guy all away from the other back side.

And they're thinking they're getting man coverage, and somebody's going to bump some bucks. and they're all going to get caught up on this, and one of the receivers is going to pop up. Well, that doesn't. They get it down. So Jaden doesn't have his initial rate. He's got to make something happen.

He extends the play. McCaffrey stays alive, and he finds him. That was his most creative play of the day. And I was well into the end of the ballgame for a two-point playback. On the touchdown to Debo, real quickly, first of all, isn't that a great run-after catch by Debo? Yeah, that's him. That's why he's...

Yeah. I love them coming out of college for that reason. I'm a running back at heart. Ever Turner at heart, right? You know that? So I like guys breaking tackles, yards after catch. That stuff means a lot to me. I get the most excitement watching it.

And you just love watching that guy that doesn't accept being tackled. Too many people, too many players are, they just accept it. Like, yeah, I made the catch. That's good enough. I'm cool getting tackled. That is not Debo's mentality. because they really weren't in the red zone much, even all three field goal attempts were 50 plus. And the touchdown to Zach Ertz was, you know, was that right outside the red zone?

It was maybe just barely inside. Yeah, I wonder if we would have gotten more zero coverage blitz had they gotten into the red zone more often. You would have got it then and you would have got it if you found yourself in more third and two. third and ones and third and threes, and they couldn't find themselves in those positions either. Because you'll run a cover zero if you think somebody's going to try to hit you on a quick man and get third and three,

I'm going to force you to throw the ball really fast. And then I hope my guys are in coverage to stop you before you get past the sticks. But they couldn't put themselves in third and short all night either. Yeah, I'm watching this McCaffrey two-pointer. Yeah, that's a good play. You're right. I mean, it seems like it's the only night,

one of the only plays that I can remember and you just reminded me of it where he created more time and made a play. Yeah. Yeah. So go back to the, I mean, go back to the Devo Touchson if you're going to watch it. Yeah. I mean, now watch Tunzel the left tackle. Like, it's cover zero.

You always go inside to outside. Most dangerous man, inside to outside, you're going to leave the widest guy. Yeah. Where is he going? The left side of the line is going to the left, and he starts going through the right. You see that? Yeah. Yeah, definitely.

He gets Jaden blown up. He gets him blown up. So this is a poor, I mean, so Tunzel's wrong, right? He has a missed assignment here. They must have, I don't know what their past coverage call is. Let's say they said Liz, right, left, left, Liz, L for Liz, go left. And he goes right. Like, how do you mess?

I don't know. That stuff blows on mind how you mess that up. All right. And then Connerly. Yeah, the Connerly goes inside too. Yeah, he's throwing it up too. So both your tackles don't cover zeros. Don't block it right.

And you have to score to stay in this game. I mean, it's a huge play. They both screw it up. And luckily, you have Jay and Daniels and Debo making a play. All right. Let's take a quick break. When we come back, you're going to give us the letter grade you gave to Jaden, along with your three highest and three lowest graded offensive players.

We'll get to that after these words from a few of our sponsors. All right, so netted out. We're going to do letter grades for, you know, these players. What was Jaden in this game? I got to give him a C-minus. I mean, maybe I can't give him any higher than that. It wasn't creative enough when things broke down. I know not all of it's all on his shoulders.

Play calling did him in. All of his line did him in. But if you want to be special, you got to find ways to be special. And I think he could have been several chances where he said, said, you know what? The play came in the huddle. Screw that. I'm going to make one read. If I don't like it, I'm going to be Jane Daniels and get busy. And didn't see any of that.

I think he could have benefited from just saying, screw it. I'm going to read this once, and then I'm going to take off because I can run a 4-4, 4, 4, and I'm going to get 12 yards. So I would like to feed a little bit more creativity from him there. I just saw a little regression mentally as a game going on. So C-minus C can't be all on him, but that's his great. All right. Give me your...

And then if I'm giving you my best, I mean, man, it's not pretty. Dibbo, Samuel. He made plays when the ball came to him. Had the big touchdown there, obviously. Austin Ackler graded out higher for me, but it's not impactful. It's just he didn't do anything wrong, right? So he didn't make any mistakes all game. So you get a solid rate because everybody else's an offense made mistakes.

So I go Austin Eccler, Debo, Samuel, and then I know this one's kind of a little bit. Chris Paul, when he came in for Coleman at Guard, played, didn't have any mistakes, was on the block every time he was supposed to. So because he didn't have, I guess, all the opportunities everybody else to mess up, he graded out as the third best guy, kind of a cop out. So I'll take him out of there. And, I mean, there's several guys that are just on the field. You know, Bill just on the field.

Terry, just on the field. McCaffrey, just on the field. I can't give you really much for that two-punky version because you just stay in the back of the end zone. Good job. And that's about it. All right. Well, you, I mean, Chris Paul had a lot.

He had 11 snaps. It's not like he had three. It's still not a lot, but that's interesting that you felt like he was there. So Debo, Echler, and Chris Paul were your three highest-graded offensive players. But nobody, like what, I didn't ask you to do this on the three- highest graded. But, like, would they be, would anybody reach A-level or not? No. Vivo, I mean, technically, Echler's my highest grade. Okay. But again, just because he didn't do anything wrong, and I gave him a bonus on the

one-third and short, Zachard totally messes his block. And it's up to Echler. He's got to break to tackle and get the three yards to get the first down for your punting. So I gave him a great play for that. That's kind of where he's getting that bonus point. But other than that, He was just a player in the right spot all the time, didn't do anything wrong, didn't cost anybody. He was not a reason that a play didn't work, so that goes to your benefit. But as dynamic, I mean, is Devo, right? Devo is probably the most dynamic player on the field. And again, other than the touchdown, he didn't really notice them that much offensively.

I know he had the big return, but I didn't score on that. Right. All right, three lowest graded offensive players. Lowest Connerly's number one, Tunsell number two, then I got, I have Allegretti. Is that how we say that? Aligretti? Yeah, Allegretti. Yeah.

So it's tough when you're three lowest scores or three linemen. Yeah. And that's how it went. What was the issue with Tunsell? What was the issue with Tunsell? We saw Connerly consistently get beat, and you've kind of talked about it. You talked about, you know, Tunsell on the zero coverage blitz on the touchdown pass to Debo at the end. But what overall was, you know, not good about Laramie Tunsell's performance?

So with a couple, so you caught out those two plays. Other were penalties. Well, he had a one. He had a big penalty that cost, especially in a, I equate, if you're struggling offensively, early in the game to get things going, and then you have a bonehead penalty or like a false starter holding that you're a second and two and now you're second and nine or whatever. Yeah, seven, yeah. I think those are impactful, right?

So it was like little things, nothing that was huge. I mean, had the penalty. They had one run play. It was third quarter, five minutes, it left in the quarter, and it was the one time they had everybody blocked. And the only guy that didn't get to his guy, was tonsil, and that guy made the tackle, and it was a pedestrian two-yard run, and it could have been 20.

and a little bit, I did make a note here, I don't love the run design, that tonsil, easier left tackle, and they wanted him to bypass the linebacker and go get the front side linebacker who had just shifted because they just did the motion Washington did. So the Packer shifted accordingly, so it made the linebacker even further away from him. Very difficult block to get to. I will give him that. Hard to reach that linebacker, but you had 10 on 10. sorry, you had 10 on 9, and you were the guy that didn't get it done.

So I had to give you a bag right there, and then it's just a couple little ones where it's a run play. He doesn't do his job, and that guy ends up making a tackle. Sure, you might have got two yards or three yards, but it's tons of the issue or the past protection wasn't strong enough, and it forced Jay didn't have to leave the pocket or get off his read that he didn't want to that early. So that's where I mean If I'm going off my normal Great like Connerly was an F He's an F in my book

Tonsol the D If you're the big left half You just You gotta hold up a four man rush All right I'm going to cut it off Right there because this show's getting A lot longer than I wanted it to be In part because of the Jaden Daniels

Information and news from a little while ago but Steve did a great job breaking down the defense, and I will save that for Wednesday's show this week. Tommy's on with me tomorrow. You'll hear Steve break down Washington's defense against Green Bay on Wednesday's show, and I'll tell you, he shredded Washington's secondary worse than Green Bay's offense did. But there was some really good stuff about, you know, how they kind of lacked a job. adjustments against the Packers' offense, and I'll play that for you on Wednesday's show.

That'll do it for today, though. Back tomorrow with Tommy.